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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, Mitchell. Another week

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Speaker 1: in free agency and even more action. The San Francisco

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers are at it again. They trade the

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Speaker 1: number ninety two pick for Osa a Diggi Zuwa, a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle from the Dallas Cowboys, and I think this

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Speaker 1: is a great pickup. I think this is a great pickup.

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Speaker 1: They also signed Dre Greenlaw, They signed Nate Hobbs, re

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Speaker 1: signed Luke Gifford. It's it's been so many deals. They

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Speaker 1: signed a new punter and say goodbye to Thomas Moristead.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Huff retires Joey Bosa. His mom is tweeting out

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Speaker 1: pictures with both both her boys and forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: gear again. So I get too ahead of ourselves. This

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Speaker 1: has happened before, and he ended up a Buffalo bill,

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Speaker 1: So I think everybody is holding their breath. But I

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Speaker 1: love miss Bosa. She's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Richard, let's talk about this Osa Diggy Zua trade. This

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Speaker 2: is a big move for San Francisco. You know, you

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Speaker 2: looked at last year, right, they were playing musical chairs

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Speaker 2: on the defensive line. We saw Nick Bosa go out, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the first round of Mikal Williams goes out significant injuries

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Speaker 2: that totally caused them to shift everything. And then everyone

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Speaker 2: they put in, you know, was getting banged up along

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Speaker 2: the way. They were leaning on rookies, you know, CJ.

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Speaker 2: West out of Indiana, so to bring in a veteran

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Speaker 2: and Osa Digie Zuo from Dallas and obviously they valued them, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they traded a third round pick, but that's

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Speaker 2: nothing to sneeze at a top hundred pick going over

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Speaker 2: to the Cowboys in this move. You know, how important

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Speaker 2: do you think it was for the San Francisco forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers to address the defensive line in a meaningful

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Speaker 2: way like this.

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Speaker 1: It's huge, It's huge, and they've tried to us it

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. I mean, they played

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Speaker 1: their dead cap money, their dead cap number, but at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it just hasn't worked out.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, he got injured. Then they went to

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Speaker 1: adjust it in the draft, drafting Michel Williams, who's very versatile,

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Speaker 1: drafted Alfred Collins, but it's tough to play consistent high

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Speaker 1: level D line play with young guys like that without

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Speaker 1: and learn. It's a grown man game in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. So this is a great pickup. A guy

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Speaker 1: nine ers, a guy that's experienced, had three and a

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Speaker 1: So I think this helped some. I still think they

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Speaker 1: you can ever have enough D lineman, which is which

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Speaker 1: is evidenced by the Seattle Seahawks' success and their rotation,

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Speaker 1: their death that defensive line. They just keep bringing in

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Speaker 1: they'll obviously be be leaps and bounds better than they

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Packers played him right. I think

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Speaker 1: he's an inside corner. I think he he stays in

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Speaker 1: think competition is good for everybody, and it'll be great

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Speaker 1: It's an affordable price. He's back home, he's a year

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Speaker 1: next season. You know, seven eight months later. It's a

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Speaker 1: I still didn't feel right until the next season, and

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Speaker 1: they still feel right until the summer of nineteen. And

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Speaker 1: see him look better, feel better, be more explosive, look

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Speaker 1: more like the Drake green Law that you recognize from old.

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Speaker 1: I think he's excited to be home. Him and Fred

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Speaker 1: Warner one of the best tandems in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: They feed off one another, they energize one another. They're

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Speaker 1: sometimes when you leave, you know, absence makes the heart

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Speaker 1: grow fonder and you realize what you missed. And I

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Speaker 1: his career, what Fred Warner means to his career. I

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Speaker 1: think this re energizes Fred Warner in a big way.

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see them too, back on

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Speaker 2: Oh, just look, it was an obvious fit. Dre Greenlaw

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Speaker 2: Franz made a couple of unique moves this offseason, bringing

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Speaker 2: and then Dre Greenlaw and Nate Hobbs Richard, what are

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Speaker 2: the most glaring holes left that they need to fill,

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Speaker 2: you know, before the draft to give you comfort.

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Speaker 1: Safety? Safety, safety safety First, you gotta you gotta find

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Speaker 1: a safety, a veteran safety who's played good football. Kevin

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Speaker 1: Byrd would have been fantastic. Didn't get him understood, But

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Speaker 1: I think a veteran safety is something that you gotta

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, But I think safety is

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Speaker 1: still the biggest issue. And again, young guys. There are

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Speaker 1: and they just the game isn't too big for him.

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Speaker 1: It's not too fast for him, but I think it

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Speaker 1: gives me hesitation to start back off with with without

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Speaker 1: any competition at safety spot. If you if you just

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Speaker 1: Malik Musafa flashed and show played really fast and aggressive.

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Speaker 1: But again there were times they did not play great

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Speaker 1: bad situation. And I think that's something that we I

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Speaker 1: his best seasons, and you I think everybody could see

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Speaker 1: the value that a veteran safety brings and just his

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Speaker 1: being ahead of the play and a sound tackler, and

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Speaker 1: it just calms the defense down. It just gives the

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Speaker 1: defense a validity, you know, but we it's something that

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Speaker 1: I think they have to address. I wish you know.

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Speaker 1: I did an interview the other day with Rod Woodson

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Speaker 1: and you just forget, man, how much different a great

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Speaker 1: safety can make a defense. I mean, obviously they've had

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Speaker 1: a ton of great safeties in the San Francisco forty

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Speaker 1: nine Ers history, but boy, Rob Woodson was one of

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Speaker 1: the ones mentioned second all time seventy one interceptions, seven won,

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Speaker 1: like the the Niners had I think eighteen sets. I

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Speaker 1: of interceptions last season and a veteran safety, not that

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Speaker 1: it's just gonna be an automatic fix, but some of

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Speaker 1: the drops last season, we're head scratching and you can't

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Speaker 1: that just make the make make the layups, make the layups,

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Speaker 1: the ball hits you in the chest, catch it, Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you can't catch that, then I don't know there

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Speaker 1: it is. Fort Niners had six interceptions last year. All

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Speaker 1: last season. Mitchell I had multiple seasons where I had

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Speaker 1: eight alone. You can't do it. You can't live like.

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Speaker 2: The Jets just had a season where they had zero interceptions,

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure they could have used Rod Woodson as well.

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Speaker 2: You guys got to check out the ride at Woodson interview.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about a guy that knows football,

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Speaker 2: Rod Woodson is that guy. He was a guy that

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Speaker 2: was always around the football growing up, Richard. He was

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Speaker 2: got to talk about Sam Donald a little bit because

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Speaker 2: Richard sam Donald means so much to this organization and

432
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Speaker 2: we saw it in bringing home the Super Bowl. Do

433
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Speaker 2: you think he's gonna be paid ultimately like a top

434
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Speaker 2: five guy, Like we see these guys resetting the market

435
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Speaker 2: year after year. You think that's something Seattle should embark

436
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Speaker 2: on because that conversation is coming, and.

437
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Speaker 1: It's a really tough ask because and it's a fair question,

438
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: I think I don't I don't think they should engage

439
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: in that that kind of fight. I think top ten,

440
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: no question about it. I think you're gonna you're gonna

441
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: get into the fifty plus million dollar range with Sam Donald.

442
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, usually a great number for a quarterback. Nobody

443
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Speaker 1: outside of Deck has gotten to six six. But now

444
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: that the cap is three hundred and three hundred plus million,

445
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: it starts to become a normal number because usually, historically

446
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are seventeen to twenty one percent of the cap,

447
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: and twenty percent of the cap is right around sixty

448
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. So you start to getting those

449
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Speaker 1: conversations and say that's the number that historically quarterback it's

450
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Speaker 1: less about sixty million and more about seventeen to twenty

451
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Speaker 1: one percent of the cap. If you look at back

452
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Speaker 1: when Aaron Rodgers, every time the top five quarterbacks are

453
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Speaker 1: right there seventeen to twenty percent of the cap. And

454
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Speaker 1: we've talked about this as a union when we're discussing

455
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Speaker 1: the salary cap and quarterback numbers are exploding and their

456
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Speaker 1: contracts were ballooning and other position groups weren't. And the

457
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Speaker 1: conversation was about capping quarterback contracts, which is something nobody

458
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Speaker 1: agreed to, nobody really seriously entertained. But the reason the

459
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Speaker 1: conversation came up is because of the amount of the

460
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Speaker 1: salary that quarterbacks were taken up and other contracts were varying.

461
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Speaker 1: You know, cornerback maybe fifteen twelve percent DN maybe sixteen percent,

462
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Speaker 1: depending on what's going on with certain teams. But we

463
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Speaker 1: started to see a commonality between what teams the percentage

464
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Speaker 1: that teams were staying within to pay quarterbacks. But that

465
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Speaker 1: story for a different day. I think that if Sam

466
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Speaker 1: Darnold has another really successful season this season and they

467
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Speaker 1: make a deep playoff run and these are big gifts,

468
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Speaker 1: I think they come going to year three, tearing that

469
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Speaker 1: contract up and paying him over fifty plus maybe fifty

470
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Speaker 1: four to fifty five million dollars a year, and that

471
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Speaker 1: again changes the dying because you're starting to pay guys

472
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Speaker 1: much higher numbers than you did in previous years. You'll

473
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Speaker 1: jsn And and Devin Witherspoon's numbers are going to be

474
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Speaker 1: much higher now. There are ways to circumvent the system

475
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and make the cap numbers lower than they look. But

476
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, those guys are going

477
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: to get paid big money, deservedly so, and that's when

478
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: the dynamics starts to change for fans and everybody. Right now,

479
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Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks are fine. I think they have

480
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: an incredibly strong team, still a top five roster in

481
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Speaker 1: the NFL, top two roster in the NFL, and I

482
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Speaker 1: think they're going to make another deep playoff run and

483
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Speaker 1: be a great team in the NFC for years to come.

484
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Speaker 1: And you know, we'll address the rest of the issues

485
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Speaker 1: when they start to come up.

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Speaker 2: Roacher. We had some other breaking news over the weekend,

487
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Speaker 2: and we talked about it a little bit on our

488
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Speaker 2: last podcast, but Kyler Murray non surprisingly signs with the

489
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Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings on a one year deal. Kyler goes and

490
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Speaker 2: plays in Kevin O'Connell's offense, and if Kevin O'Connell can't

491
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Speaker 2: change him and make him work, I don't know who could.

492
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Speaker 2: This is a good fit for Kyler individually? Is it

493
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Speaker 2: a good fit for Minnesota though? Should Viking fans be excited.

494
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Speaker 1: Compared to what they what they had.

495
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: And told you don't want my ex Brosmer back out there?

496
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Speaker 1: Rich, Come on, man, I mean they wanted JJ McCarthy

497
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: and they told me that JJ McCarthy was the answer,

498
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: and I was crazy, that's what that's when Minnesota Vikings

499
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: fans they said I was just a hater and I

500
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: was writing them off and I didn't know any better,

501
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: and I I just hated JJ McCarthy. No, I just

502
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: watched him tape. Guys. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know

503
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: football and you guys clearly don't. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

504
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: Everybody else could see, even Kevin O'Connell could see. And

505
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings get rid of their general manager because

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00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: they could now see it. They could now see that

507
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: it was a mistake letting Daniel Jones and say Darnold

508
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: walk out of the building and putting all their hope

509
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: and a rookie quarterback who never started in the National

510
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Football League. And I'm sorry, I don't apologize for that.

511
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: And they're now gonna start Kyler Murray. They're gonna bring

512
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray in, pay him one point three million dollars

513
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and allow the Arizona Cardinals to pay the rest of

514
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: his salary, and they're gonna start him, and he's gonna

515
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: play solid football. He's gonna he's a good player. He's

516
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: a really talented football player. He's an incredibly explosive great

517
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: arm can be accurate at times. And with with these guys,

518
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean he he his issue was off the field,

519
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: and not off the field in the negative way that

520
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: people think about off the field issues. But but I

521
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be pleasantly surprised. He's really act. He's

522
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: really a great player, and he's exciting to watch. He's

523
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Speaker 1: exciting to watch play football. And with Kevin O'Connell and

524
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Speaker 1: and all the talent that he's gonna have, the stability,

525
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: the offensive stability that he's gonna have around him, Mitchell,

526
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Speaker 1: I think they're getting a really, really fun and exciting

527
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: player in Kyler Murray. He can be explosive at times.

528
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Speaker 1: His last healthy season was twenty twenty four. He had

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Speaker 1: a ninety three point five quarterback rating. He threw for

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Speaker 1: thirty eight one hundred yards twenty one touchdowns, eleven interceptions,

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Speaker 1: and that's not a bad season. That's a that's a

532
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Speaker 1: really really solid to good NFL quarterback season. And I

533
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: think the Minnesota Vikings would be really excited if he

534
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Speaker 1: had that kind of season, If he repeated that kind

535
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Speaker 1: of season, and with Justin Jefferson and Addison, he could

536
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: definitely he could definitely do that. I think he's gonna

537
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Speaker 1: have a chance to throw the open receivers, receivers that

538
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson is going to be excited because he can get.

539
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna get him the ball. He's gonna feed him

540
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: the ball all season long. Kevin O'Connell's gonna draw up.

541
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a revival of a season for this offense.

542
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: And I think people wonder, oh, man, is Kevin O'Connell

543
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: on the hot seat. He's not. I wouldn't imagine. So

544
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: if he's on the hot seat, believe you me, every organization,

545
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: including the ones some of the ones that just hired coaches,

546
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: are going to be with their finger over the fire

547
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Speaker 1: button if Kevin O'Connell becomes available. And so I don't

548
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: think the Minnesota Vikings are looking to do that. I

549
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: think they understand what they have in him and the value.

550
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: And I know it hasn't necessarily ended up in a

551
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: lot of success in the postseason and Super Bowls and

552
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: all that, but I mean, just the season ago with

553
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, you won fourteen games. So let's not act

554
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: like it hasn't shown itself. Now. Sure, in the playoffs

555
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: it didn't go great, and he was Sam Donald sacked

556
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: nine times and they got eliminated. But I think with

557
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: competent quarterback play, he's shown that he could have success

558
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: with this team and in this division and a division

559
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: that's only getting better. I think again, the JJ McCarthy

560
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: thing kind of set this team back a little bit.

561
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: It's set it set a good defense back. But again,

562
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: they were able to to retain Brian Flores, who was

563
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: taking ahead coaching jobs and interviews and and and looking

564
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: to move on if possible. But they were able to

565
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: retain him. I think that's a huge, huge deal for

566
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: for this team and what he brings. But we're gonna see.

567
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna see because Kyler hasn't I don't feel like

568
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: he's been in offense like this that that is really

569
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Speaker 1: well suited to his talents. And I know that Kevin

570
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: O'Connell is going to create a system that really, really

571
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: really emphasizes the things that Kyler does well.

572
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Speaker 2: It certainly is an intriguing fit. And I mean we've

573
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Speaker 2: seen these resurgences of of you know, these veteran quarterbacks

574
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Speaker 2: now that didn't work out in their first with their

575
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Speaker 2: first team. I mean, obviously Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, you know,

576
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Speaker 2: Matt mac jones last season. I mean, can Kyler Murray

577
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Speaker 2: replicate that mold? Is it change of scenery out of

578
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Speaker 2: Arizona up to Minnesota, you know, gonna spark his career.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

580
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Speaker 2: But like you said, Kevin O'Connell is not the problem.

581
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Speaker 2: Two of those names I just mentioned we're in house

582
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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. The fact that you let both Daniel Jones

583
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: and Sam Donald out of the room, especially after going

584
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: fourteen and three two seasons ago, is just head scratching,

585
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: to say the least. This blind faith that they put

586
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: into JJ McCarthy's what Ultimately they shot themselves in their

587
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: own foot and the GM obviously let go this season.

588
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: Those decisions play a huge factor in all this. So

589
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: this to me kind of looks like an opportunity for them.

590
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: To have a redo here and maybe Kyler Murray works

591
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: out and maybe he is that stabilizing force because they

592
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: have so many weapons up in Minnesota, right, I mean,

593
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: the wide receiving room is loaded, they've got stable running backs.

594
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: Their defense with Brian Flores' touch is can be lethal

595
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: at times. So if Kyler Murray goes there and provides

596
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: that offense with a with consistency and that that spark

597
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: that they really needed, you know, look out in Minnesota.

598
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: But that's a big if. That's a big if. And

599
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: we'll see if he's able to show that off field

600
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: maturation and commit himself to the game and take Minnesota

601
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, back to where they were a couple of

602
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: seasons ago.

603
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Speaker 1: And this is gonna help JJ McCarthy in the end.

604
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: This is what he needs. He needs to sit behind

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Speaker 1: a veteran and learn and just be comfortable in his

606
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: role and just get better, get continue to develop. You know,

607
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: maybe in the future he can have a really good

608
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: NFL career. This isn't they ended a role for JJ McCarthy,

609
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Speaker 1: but I think for a veteran quarterback coming off an

610
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: a cl injury back into a season would be tough

611
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: for a rookie to deal with the speed of the

612
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: game and everything that that comes with playing the quarterback

613
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: position after a major injury with no experience is a

614
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: tough ask, especially after on a team that won fourteen

615
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: games a year before, and the expectations are so high

616
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't necessarily be for a rookie quarterback, and

617
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: so I think that was just a no win situation

618
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: to walk into. Sure, if he would have, if he

619
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Speaker 1: would have won ten games, eleven games, he would have

620
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: that would have been a home run for the Minnesota Vikings.

621
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Speaker 1: But I don't think any reasonable mind could have expected

622
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that from him. And I think sitting behind Kyler Murray,

623
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: sitting behind any veteran quarterback, is going to help in

624
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: his development and his maturation and give him kind of

625
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: a roadmap of how to prepare and instead of just

626
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: being thrown into the fire and expected to find for himself.

627
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: And I think again, it's going to help him and

628
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: it's going to extend his NFL life more than if

629
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: he just went out there for another season and started

630
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: and if he didn't do well, like if they did

631
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: not pick up Kyler Murray and JJ McCarthy was expected

632
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: to go out there and start, and if he didn't

633
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: do well, if he didn't go out there and just

634
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: light the world on fire, and they bench him, you're

635
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: looking at the beginning of the end for JJ McCarthy's career.

636
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: I think this allows him to wait and see and develop,

637
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: and people still hold out hope that maybe, you know,

638
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: those flashes that you saw in the fourth quarter of

639
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: a couple of those Chicago games can manifest itself more

640
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: often and more consistently later on in his career.

641
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Another quarterback that signed over the weekend signed to the

642
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. Lesser of a name, but more wild of

643
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: his story Josh Johnson Richard. This is his third stint

644
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: with the Cincinnati Bengals. He's made twenty two stops throughout

645
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: his NFL career and outside of the NFL. I mean

646
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: these stops include stops with the Sacramento Mountain lion Is,

647
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 2: the San Diego Fleet, the LA Wildcats. What a wild story.

648
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Josh Johnson just keeps finding himself a job and you

649
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: know what, he's been a competent backup throughout his career. Clearly,

650
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: what do you make of Josh Johnson's I guess runway

651
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: of his career here, it's a pretty wild one.

652
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: It's funny because I just saw Josh Johnson a couple

653
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: of months ago and we were laughing about this because

654
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: he's just loved football and he loves You're rare to

655
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: find a guy who's been in the league as long

656
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: as he has and still has the same love for football.

657
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: But he's also a coach on the field. He's a

658
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: coaching mind, and I think that's what a lot of

659
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks are, just a great football mind. And he's

660
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: an asset to these quarterback rooms. And I think people

661
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: wonder how does he keep getting jobs, Like he's not

662
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: lighting the world on fire as a backup because he's

663
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: a guy that brings something to the quarterback room. He

664
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: brings a wealth of knowledge. He brings a wealth of

665
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: information and helps the development and maturation of the other

666
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the room. He brings a different perspective. And

667
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: I think people underestimate the importance of that international football league.

668
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: But these teams don't. These teams see Josh Johnson as

669
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: a very valuable commodity to add to their quarterback room.

670
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: That's why so many teams keep adding him. That's by

671
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, the Giants, Ravens, Bills, Colts, Bengals again, Ravens, Buccaneers, Lions, Commanders, etc. Etc.

672
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: Have brought him in because not just because of what

673
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: he brings physically as a quarterback, but what he brings

674
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: mentally is an incredibly intelligent player. I would guess as

675
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: soon as the day he's done playing, he's on somebody's

676
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: coaching staff as a quarterbacks coach, right right away, Richard.

677
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: One other thing we got to talk about here is

678
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: AJ Brown. You know, the Eagles have been towing the

679
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: line dealing with these salary cap restraints all offseason, and

680
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: AJ Brown has been an that's come up numerous times.

681
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: There was even a report I read over the weekend

682
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: that the Rams were actually interested in AJ Brown, which

683
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or not. And I

684
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: don't think they can make that move now because I

685
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: know Devonte Adams cap hit came into effect. But what

686
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: do you think is the best move for AJ Brown?

687
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: You think sticking with Philly and figuring this out makes

688
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: most sense, or do you think he should be on

689
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 2: the move.

690
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: Well, it's a great question, all right. Depends it depends

691
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: on where he goes. If you look at if you're

692
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: looking to move him to a team that's a contender

693
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: and he becomes an obvious number one, then sure, I

694
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: think it makes sense to move him if you if

695
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: you talked about sending him to Green Bay, a team

696
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: like that that that has a quarterback stability, has you know,

697
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: talent around, but no true number one receiver, Sure that

698
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: would make sense. Is that somewhere A J. Brown would

699
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: want to go. I don't think so. But there aren't

700
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Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios where you trade him and his

701
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: his chances at winning a Super Bowl increase. So I

702
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: think if you're talking about playing winning football, he stays

703
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and just tries to weather the storm, tries

704
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: to weather the storm because he's not gonna get them

705
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: out of yards and targets unless you know, something changes

706
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: dramatically from the last couple of years. If he goes

707
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: somewhere else, he could get his targets, be the number one,

708
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Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna win a lot. There's

709
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of places. I mean, maybe Buffalo.

710
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: It's in them to Buffalo. You know, maybe he'd get

711
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: the targets and be the number one, But do you

712
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Speaker 1: want to go to Buffalo. They have great fans, and

713
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: they have great, great wings out there, and they have

714
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Speaker 1: a they have a really good ques quarterback. You'd get

715
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: your targets. But is that where you want to go? Uh?

716
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: The Patriots just picked up Romeo Dobbs, but I'm sure

717
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: they still have room and which you want to go

718
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: there and play in New England. It's it's not a

719
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: super strong division. Miami just let go of Tyreek Keel,

720
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: Do you want to go to Miami and and and

721
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, have a good time and maybe win a

722
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: couple of football games. But I don't think there are

723
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl contenders as of yet. I think that that

724
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Hafley is gonna gonna do a great job turning

725
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: that program around, uh, getting them back into winning habits.

726
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: But it's gonna take a year or two. So I

727
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of ideal situations for him. Now.

728
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: If if they would have he would have traded him

729
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: to the Rams, that would have been a very very

730
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: interesting scenario with him and and uh and Matthew Stafford.

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, that that you just start to explore

732
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: that thought and begin starting not to ed. I go, okay,

733
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: all right, now, yeah, you cook them with grease, it

734
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But outside of that, it

735
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make a ton of sense. You know, it's a

736
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: quick thought and then it's gone because they have Devonte

737
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Adams poop in Nicula and everything they already have going on.

738
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: They just had a substantial amount of success with that team,

739
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: made it all the way to the NFC Championship. Just

740
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: ran into a jugger out of the Seattle Seahawks in

741
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Seattle and weren't able to overcome that. But do you

742
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: do you end up with the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar

743
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: Jackson and their revamped system. I don't know. Do you

744
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: do you end up with the Pittsburgh series? There's so

745
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: many You know, we can go what ifs all all

746
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: day long, But are any of those situations better than

747
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: the situation he's in now in terms of winning football?

748
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think there they are.

749
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Speaker 2: Richard. Oftentimes, when we're doing this podcast, breaking news breaks

750
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: and we were just talking about quarterbacks that are you know,

751
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: I have an opportunity to revitalize, to revive their careers.

752
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: And while we're recording, Justin Fields just gets traded to

753
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs from the Jets. So you know,

754
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: obviously the Kansas City Chiefs are gonna need a quarterback

755
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: to come in and play the first month, month and

756
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: a half until Mahomes gets his feedback under him for

757
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: coming back from this ACL injury. Your initial thoughts, and

758
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: I know this is just me throwing it at you.

759
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: You're hearing it for the first time. Justin Fields gets

760
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: traded to the Chiefs. Do you like this fit for him?

761
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: Do you like this fit for their organization?

762
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: It's something, it's something Mitchell, Do I like it for

763
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs?

764
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: I guess he's an athlete, man, I mean.

765
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: An incredible athlete, But you also got to be able

766
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: to throw the football down the field. And there were

767
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: times that it seemed like the New York Jets were

768
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: averse to throwing the ball down the field. And Andy

769
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: Reid is a fantastic coach and developer. He's and I

770
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: don't think he gets the credit he deserves for that

771
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: because he's always, you know, kind of had quarterbacks and

772
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: you know that you feel good about. But this would

773
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: be his swan song. If Andy Reid can turn Justin

774
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: Fields into what you saw at Ohio State or any

775
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: semblance of that quarterback. Then, boy, I tell you his

776
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame resume is stamped. It's already stamped, but boy,

777
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: it's stamped with black ink, with permanent ink. Baby, And

778
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: you gotta trust that they see, they see the makings

779
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: in the clay that they can mold into some wins,

780
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: into comparable and competent quarterback play. Obviously, they got K nine,

781
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: so they're gonna run the football. That's where they're gonna

782
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: butter their bread. They have Thornton and Xavier Worthy, and

783
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: Travis says he's coming back, so he has that safety blanket.

784
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: But this is gonna be a work in progress. And

785
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: if he does, and if they do turn Justin fields

786
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: back into the Justin fields that came out of Ohio State,

787
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic and I love that for everybody involved.

788
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: But it's also an indictment on the New York Jets.

789
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: But what's not an indictment on the New York Jets.

790
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Gino is coming back. He's coming home after

791
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: going full circle and reviving his career becoming a pro

792
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: bowler outside of New York, He's coming back to New

793
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: York a pro bowler to potentially revived the Jets. That's

794
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: gonna be if he does. I'd love that for Gino,

795
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: I would love that. That'd be fantastic, that'd be That'd

796
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: be something I could get behind. But right now it's tough.

797
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: It's tough for New York fans, the Jets and the Giants.

798
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys.

799
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Speaker 2: We'll see what Justin Fields provides in Kansas City. He

800
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: was electric tech times in Chicago, but a lot of

801
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: the electricity we saw with these eighty yard runs. So

802
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: can he get the arm active? You know, there's obviously

803
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: some safety blankets he can throw to inin Travis Kelce.

804
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: Like you said, he's got kN nine, Rashi Rice, etc.

805
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: So they're gonna lean on them. Depending the health of

806
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, Justin Fields may be called on early this season.

807
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: So eyes are on you, Andy Reid. Let's see how

808
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: this plays out, Richard. We got a handful of big

809
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: names still on the free agency list right now. It's

810
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: funny how free agency works. They talk about it waves,

811
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, the first wave of free agencies, all these

812
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: big guys getting paid their big money. Second wave. His

813
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: team's kind of trying to take discounts now we look

814
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: at the third wave of the veterans who are looking

815
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: for the perfect fit for how they want to play

816
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: out the next you know, year or two before they

817
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: call it today in the NFL. Some of these names

818
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: on this list are big names.

819
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Speaker 1: You know.

820
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: We'll start off the top. Juwan Jennings, right, I mean

821
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: this guy San Francisco forty nine Ers, battled injuries, became

822
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: the really number one wide receiver for the forty nine

823
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: ers this past year. It looks like they've moved on

824
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: bringing a Mike Evans, but maybe I'm wrong. Where do

825
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: you think the best fit is for Juwan Jennings.

826
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: I think the best fit is in San Francisco, but

827
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: maybe not in the world that he sees for himself.

828
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Speaker 1: Because you bring in Mike Evans, you have a true one.

829
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: You feel like person all is your z he's two

830
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: and he I feel like Juwan is far removed from

831
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: from accepting that third and Juwan role that that really

832
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: helped him get on the field because he's earned it.

833
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of pass he's played well. Should

834
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: have been Super Bowl MVP of the twenty twenty three

835
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: Super Bowl if they would have won that Super Bowl.

836
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I think he would have been MVP of it. But

837
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: if he's willing to move back into that number three role,

838
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: which is I'm not a you're going out to free agency.

839
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: You're seeing how it is. It hasn't been great so far,

840
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: but maybe there are conversations behind closed doors that we

841
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: aren't privy to. But I think if he does come

842
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: back to San Francisco, he does slot right back into

843
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: that receiver three role. He does steal all the things

844
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: that were true about him before are true about him now.

845
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: He's a great culture guy. This team loves him. I

846
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: don't think there's bad blood by any stretch of the

847
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: imagination there. I think this is what the San Francisco

848
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. It's the only way they could show

849
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: him is to allow him to see free agency and

850
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: allow him to see, Hey, you see what's out there.

851
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: It's not what you thought it was. It's not maybe

852
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: what you thought it would be. Now you can come

853
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: back home. That's why we offered you the deals that

854
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: we offered you, because the grass isn't always greener on

855
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: the other side, and sometimes at times it is, but

856
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: this time it's not. And so if you're willing to

857
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: come back, we still love you, We still want you

858
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: to be here. We still have a role for you.

859
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: It's not as big of a role as you've had

860
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: in previous seasons. But as everybody has seen at times

861
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: fingers crossed, knock on wood, things happen in San Francisco

862
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: at times, and roles changed throughout the season, and you know,

863
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: you look up and KB has ten catches for over

864
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: one hundred yards against the Rams a week after getting

865
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: there and becomes the go to guy in LA. So

866
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: crazy things happened during the football season. I think he

867
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: recognizes that. Obviously he's gonna continue to weigh his options.

868
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: But we'll see how that situation. But the Brandon Ayuk

869
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: situation is interesting too. I see a lot of people

870
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: come and on that that the forty nine ers are

871
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: holding him hostage and it's unfair and they're doing wrong

872
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: by him, And I want to give my two cents

873
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: on that. I don't think so. I think I think

874
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: the opposite, because what would Brandon ay fetch in free

875
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: agency right now, coming off of major injury, no tape

876
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: for this season. You know, whatever you feel about his

877
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: reputation with the San Francisco forty nine Ers or the

878
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: league et cetera, et cetera. His contract right now is

879
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: for almost thirty million dollars a year. If they cut him,

880
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: contracts torn up, thrown away, and somebody's going to resign

881
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: him for a one year prove it kind of deal,

882
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: six seven million dollars, maybe eight up to twelve or

883
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you think it is. I'm not sure what

884
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: the numbers would be, but it wouldn't be thirty if

885
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: they trade him. Brandon Ayuk's contract trades to whatever team

886
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: that he goes to. So everybody's talking about the Commanders,

887
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the Commanders because that's the team

888
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: that he's linked to most often. If they trade him

889
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: to the Commanders, he's under the contract that he signed

890
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: with the San Francisco forty nine Ers, not a one

891
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: year proved deal. Now there's no guaranteed money, so it

892
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: technically be a one year proved deal, but it'd be

893
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: a one year proved deal for I think twenty seven

894
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: million dollars. So if I'm Brandon ay that's the situation

895
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: I want to be in. I want to be where

896
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: you're trading me in my contract to the new team

897
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: so that I'm not on a one year eight million

898
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: dollar proven deal. I'm on the contract that I've been

899
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: on and if I play well, then that contract just

900
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: continues as it should. And so I'm I don't know.

901
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm not in the camp of people that say this

902
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: is San Francisco forty nine ers are doing wrong by him.

903
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: They're doing what's what's in their best business interests. But

904
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: if I'm Brandon Ayuk, it's also in my best business

905
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: interest because if they cut me, then I have to

906
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: convince a team that I'm worth thirty million dollars and hey,

907
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: could you pay me a twenty seven million dollars for

908
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: next season, even if it's a one year deal. That's

909
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: tougher to do. If they trade you, that's already your contract.

910
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: So I think that's a big deal that people are ignoring.

911
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: If they trade him, they're trading his contract, and I'm

912
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: sure that the agent is in those conversations and everybody else.

913
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Would you rather be cut and try to resign and

914
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: convince a team coming off a knee injury that hey,

915
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm worth thirty million dollars or just trade your contract

916
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: and go over there and play under this contract that

917
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: you had already signed. I think he would agree and

918
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: everybody else in his camp would agree. We just want

919
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: to trade the contract. Trade me, get a seventh round pick,

920
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: get whatever you want, get the most mystery irrelevant. You

921
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: see what you did with mystery irrelevant. You turn them

922
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: into a pro bowler, one of the most efficient quarterbacks

923
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. So if you can get

924
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick and you're in San Francisco for

925
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: a nine ers, that works in your best business and

926
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: it also works in Brandon Ayyuk's best business interest because

927
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: he gets paid what he would have gotten paid last

928
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: year for the San Francisco forty niners.

929
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: I agree, like you say, I agree, And at the

930
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: end of the day, this is a business. San Francisco

931
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: forty nine ers have a interest in getting assets in

932
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 2: return for him, so it all makes sense on both sides.

933
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: Next on this list, Richard is a friend of the program.

934
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: I know one of your best friends, Bobby Wagner. You

935
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: know who continues to get it done. The first ballot

936
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I don't care what anyone says. What

937
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: do you think the best fit is for him? Is

938
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: it back to Washington or do you think he goes elsewhere.

939
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: That's tough because it's mike linebacker and it's not quarterback.

940
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: But you only got one and you got the green

941
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: dot on your helmet, and usually you want that position

942
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: feeled before OTA's and all that. I'm not sure where

943
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: the best fit is for right now for Bobby. Is

944
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: it back in one Washington, I'm not sure. Obviously that's familiarity,

945
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's he has Kenny Norton there, he has

946
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. But I mean, I'm sure he would love

947
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: to come back to Seattle. But they have Ernest Jones,

948
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: they have Tyrese Knight. It's it's it's one of those situations.

949
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: They feel really comfortable with the the guys they have

950
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: in house. They do. They do a fantastic job. They're

951
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: they're really elite players. They have a great locker room.

952
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: And Bobby Wagner's not a backup linebacker and he's not

953
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: a special teams guy, and I don't think they would

954
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: disrespect him by asking him to do that. So it's interesting.

955
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, he could play, he can play

956
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: at a high level, so that's not that's not in question.

957
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: I mean, is he at the level that he used

958
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: to be? No quest? No father time is undefeated and

959
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: nobody's uh in in year What is this fifteen for

960
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: Bobby gonna be playing at the same level as they

961
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: were playing at a year two were three. But it's

962
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: a reason why he's an eleven time All Pro and

963
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: Pro Bowler because of what he's able to do in

964
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: his mind and how fast he processes the National Football League.

965
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure, you know, I got to call

966
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: Bob and ask him where he feels like he wants

967
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: to go. Maybe we'll have him on the show and

968
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: talk about it.

969
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: There you go next next his former San Francisco forty

970
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: nine or Deebo Samuel free agent now after playing with

971
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: the Commanders. You know obviously his game, he's he's a bruiser,

972
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: he's a yack guy. And you know, where do you

973
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: think he fits best? There's a lot of teams that

974
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: need wide receivers still, But the question is how much

975
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: does he want to win? I mean, obviously you go

976
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: to the Raiders, et cetera. But where where do you

977
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: think is the best fit for Debo at this stage

978
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 2: in his career?

979
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: San Francisco, everywhere, look.

980
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: Back to San Francisco.

981
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: It all leads back home for these guys, because that's

982
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: where he's had his greatest success. And obviously things have

983
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: changed for him in a number of ways, but in

984
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: terms of somebody who understands his talents and the way

985
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: to use him best, it's San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan.

986
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: I think Kyle he had an all Pro season in

987
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco because Kyle uses him in very unique ways

988
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: that really really showcase his abilities in really cool fashions.

989
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: And again with Mike Evans in the fold, he takes

990
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: so much pressure off everyone else, and he's a guy that, hey, standalone,

991
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: I can get open, i can play receiver. I'm a one.

992
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: Give me the ball and get out of the way.

993
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: And I think that opens up things for Debo and

994
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: Persaul and Kittle and Christian McCaffrey and everybody else in

995
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: this offense that already thrives. And I think bringing Deebo

996
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: back may not make sense for maybe it's not even

997
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: in the cards or interest John Lynch in the San

998
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers or anybody. And I'm just throwing

999
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: stuff against the wall. This is my speculation in my

1000
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: two cents, and I'm not taking this because I have

1001
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: information anywhere else, but I think it makes sense there.

1002
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: Robert Sala has has watched Deebo Samuel have success in

1003
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: a big way and they need receivers in Tennessee. Does

1004
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: that make sense for Deebo Samuel to be there. I'm

1005
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: not sure that that's something he has to ask. They

1006
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: just they just picked up a receiver, and I think

1007
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: if they get him for an affordable price, I think

1008
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: that could potentially make sense there. Again, Miami Dolphins just

1009
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: give up Tyreek Keel. Not that they're the same type

1010
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: of receiver or anything like that, but again, he can

1011
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: play receiver in the National Football League, So a number

1012
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: of these teams that have openings would make sense to

1013
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: bring him in. Does Kevin O'Connell and the Minnesota Vikings

1014
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: as a receiver three gadget guy and guy that can

1015
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, can help the run games make sense? Maybe?

1016
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, Again, this is all speculation. This is National

1017
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: Football League. If Deebo Samuel is motivated, he can make

1018
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot of plays and he can make an offense

1019
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: even more explosive in my personal opinion.

1020
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: Next on this list is one close to home for me.

1021
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: Taylor Decker the Detroit Lions. He announces that he's coming back.

1022
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: There was a lot of speculation coming into the offseason

1023
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: that he was going to hang him up. He battled

1024
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: a pretty significant shoulder injury all year long, was in

1025
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: and out of the lineup, didn't practice often. He alects

1026
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: to come back, and the Lions asked him to take

1027
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: a pay cut, and ultimately he's released. He still hasn't

1028
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: found a home. I'm kind of like you, Richard. I

1029
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: feel like the best place for him is not to

1030
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: lead Detroit and to stay here. This team needs help

1031
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. You know what you're getting out

1032
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: of Taylor Decker. Yes, he is a little bit injury

1033
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: prone at the stage in his career. But Richard, you

1034
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: battled injuries. Do you think that this is the best

1035
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: move is for him to come back to Detroit? What

1036
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: do you think the market is like for him out there?

1037
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's probably a little soft right now,

1038
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: but it's hard to find get off into the lineman,

1039
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: especially tackles in the National Football League. Just competent tackle play,

1040
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: and I think that's something a lot of teams like,

1041
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: if you're the Cincinnati Bengals, you don't call Taylor Decker.

1042
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: If you're the Kansas City Chiefs, you don't call Taylor Decker.

1043
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of these teams, Like, there are

1044
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: a lot of teams out there that could call and

1045
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: kick the Tyler tires on Taylor Decker and see what

1046
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: his price is and see if it makes sense. I

1047
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: think there are a ton of teams that could use

1048
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: his services. And obviously health would be a big issue,

1049
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that'd be baked into the contract. But

1050
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing him go back to

1051
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: Detroit unless the number is unless he just gets no

1052
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: market and is forced to. But I think for as

1053
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: poor as offensive line play overall has been in the

1054
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: National Football League, and how solid Taylor Decker has been

1055
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: uh for for a good portion of his career, I

1056
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: think he'll get He'll get an offer that pulls him away.

1057
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: And then finally a name I'm actually quite shocked is

1058
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: still available. David Nijoku, tight end from the Cleveland Browns.

1059
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: He's had a lot of success over the last couple

1060
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 2: of years. Obviously, they brought in the rookie last year

1061
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: in Cleveland who had a ton of success, and that

1062
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: ultimately pushes David Nijoku out the door. But I'm shocked

1063
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: Rich that this guy who's been really I would say

1064
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: a very stable force for that offense, and I would

1065
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: consider him. You know, the upper half of tight ends

1066
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: in this league is still available. What do you think

1067
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: the best fit is for David Njoko And why do

1068
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: you think he's still available at this point?

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I have no idea why he's still I

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Speaker 1: thought he was a really solid tight end. I thought

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Speaker 1: a number of teams would would reach out. Again, there

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Speaker 1: are teams that that are depleted offensively that I think

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Speaker 1: he could help, But I don't know if it's an

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Speaker 1: injury concern. I have no idea. Uh, he's he's he's

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Speaker 1: been a good playmaker in Cleveland. I thought he'd get

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Speaker 1: have a much more solid market than than he's had.

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Speaker 1: So this is a mystery to me. But uh, free

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Speaker 1: agency isn't done, so I couldn't tell you. Because he

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Speaker 1: plays tight end. You know, tight ends are versatile. A

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Speaker 1: lot of teams have him. A lot of teams invest

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Speaker 1: in that position, and he's a tight end one and

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Speaker 1: not a tight end too, So we'll we'll have to

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Speaker 1: wait and see. You know, it's a wait and see

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Speaker 1: situation there. There are a lot of teams that he

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Speaker 1: makes sense on that. I think he could help, but

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Speaker 1: right now, I mean it could be anybody.

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Speaker 2: It is a deep draft for tight ends, especially in

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Speaker 2: the middle rounds, so maybe teams are waiting on that

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Richard.

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Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure sitting down for you with you.

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Speaker 2: The free agency period is still underway. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: not as much hoopla as last week, but I'm expecting

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Speaker 2: some big name signings this week. I will let you

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Speaker 2: sign us off my man.

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Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you guys joining us. You could be

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, but you're here with me and

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Speaker 1: my guy Mitchell, and we surely do appreciate it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Keep enjoying your football content, keep coming here.

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