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Speaker 1: Glad to be in for Sean today. My name is

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Speaker 1: Joe Packing me Rollo, Joe PAGs. The number the same,

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Speaker 1: We'd like to entertain people. We like to educate people,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you of course, every day you get

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Speaker 1: effect of the woke crowd, or the crowd that wants

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Speaker 1: to dismantle the Western nuclear family, like Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: that was in their charter. By the way, this is

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Speaker 1: things like that are overtaking our pop culture and they're

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Speaker 1: We know that he had thirty six different contacts with

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Speaker 1: as if we had been forced, through the divisive politics

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Speaker 1: It can't possibly he changing people's In fact, I've been

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Speaker 1: But if we start harding these systems, not necessarily with

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Speaker 1: far as maybe putting a metal detector, and I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about ensuring that those self locking doors and stuff like

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Speaker 1: that would come to something that we're going to have

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Speaker 1: to rely on and make something as a normal day

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Speaker 1: and keep our kids safe and send our kids knowing

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Speaker 1: that they're going to be safe in school. Victor Avula,

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Speaker 1: he is a former federal agent. He's got a book

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Speaker 1: out called Agent under Fire. Go and get this book.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I hadn't heard about this technology

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Speaker 1: that you're talking about. I'm a guy who's allowed to

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Speaker 1: carry a gun. So if I'm walking up to the

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Speaker 1: school and I didn't leave the gun of the car

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Speaker 1: and you can't have guns on that campus, this technology

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Speaker 1: would see me coming and alert the school and lock

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Speaker 1: the doors. How exactly does it work? It would know

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Speaker 1: that I had a firearm. This technology, actually with a

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Speaker 1: video system, detects a firearm. It would detect, for example,

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Speaker 1: a bag that is left unattended for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It would detect a vehicle that's being parked out of

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Speaker 1: place for a certain amount of time. So it detects.

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Speaker 1: It has a lot of algorithms that you would be

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Speaker 1: able to put into this system. And the best part

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Speaker 1: about this technology is that it would then work in

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Speaker 1: conjunction with the local police department in sheriff's department, as

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Speaker 1: they would actually even have an immediate live view from

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Speaker 1: within the cameras, the exterior camera's interior cameras to see

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Speaker 1: exactly if there's an active shooter. Wow, it's technology that

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Speaker 1: we should certainly not only look into, but we should

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Speaker 1: get it. We have all this money to send overseas

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Speaker 1: to go secure borders in Ukraine and so on. We

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Speaker 1: don't have any money for our kids in school. Sixty

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Speaker 1: billion dollars a year at the Department of Education that

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Speaker 1: none of which appears to be spent on security. What

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Speaker 1: else would you do? I mean, when I see at

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Speaker 1: a school this is a gun free zone. If I'm

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Speaker 1: a bad guy that tells me there are no guns here,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't we stop advertising that we can't We were helpless

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Speaker 1: and we can't defend ourselves. That's absolutely true. I mean

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Speaker 1: I want to do the opposite. Put big old signs

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Speaker 1: and say, as a matter of fact, we have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of guns here, and if in fact you're gonna

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Speaker 1: thread any of our children, we were in a response

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Speaker 1: with lethal force. This is the this is the times

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Speaker 1: that we live in, and we need highly qualified school

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Speaker 1: resource officers, police officers, highly trained in active shooter situations.

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Speaker 1: We need teachers and administrators trained in these type of

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Speaker 1: situations as well. Once you have these individuals in every

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Speaker 1: campus at every level, not just the high schools or

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Speaker 1: junior high schools, but obviously in the elementary schools as well.

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Speaker 1: Once you have that type of training, you're sending the

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Speaker 1: signal out there to these nuts that Hey, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: come in here, You're gonna be faced with gunfire. When

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Speaker 1: you come with gunfire, We're gonna face fire with fire. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: H and under fire book dot com. Go there and

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Speaker 1: get his book. It's Victor Abula. You know what's interesting

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Speaker 1: about that argument is that I, of course trust teachers

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Speaker 1: with my children or my grandchildren eight or nine hours

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Speaker 1: a day. We trust them with making the productive Americans.

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Speaker 1: We trust them with educating them. We trust them to

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Speaker 1: let them go to the bathroom when they have to

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Speaker 1: and feed them when they're hungry. But we can't trust

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Speaker 1: them to defend them. And the argument that you get

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Speaker 1: from people that are against teachers being armed, a well armed,

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Speaker 1: well educated, well trained teacher with a firearm might stop

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Speaker 1: the guy before he kills nineteen innocent people or twenty

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Speaker 1: three or twenty two innercent people. But the argument seems

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Speaker 1: to be, yeah, but what if the student gets the

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Speaker 1: gun from him? I don't understand that. It just doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense. That's like saying police shouldn't have firearms either,

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Speaker 1: because what if I get the gun away from the cop,

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Speaker 1: which is not something that happens off it. It It happens,

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Speaker 1: but not that often. Does that argument make any sense

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Speaker 1: to you? That we can't have teachers that we trust

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Speaker 1: in every other aspect of our kids' lives, we can't

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Speaker 1: allow them to defend them in school. That's a horrible argument.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you that there will always be

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Speaker 1: a staff or an administrator, a teacher, a coach, someone

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Speaker 1: that will be that will step up to want to be.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we have to force the teachers

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Speaker 1: to have to be trained, but they want to be.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure we could find those teachers because you

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Speaker 1: know what, they already give their lives. You saw the

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Speaker 1: ones that two of them that gave their lives protecting

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Speaker 1: these kids anyway, So they are willing to give their

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Speaker 1: lives for these children. Let's give them some more resources,

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Speaker 1: some more tools. And one of those tools is a

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Speaker 1: firearm and changing the laws. I mean, Victor, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what law would have stopped this guy yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: changing the laws doesn't make any sense to me either,

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Speaker 1: simply because it's against the law to kill innocent people

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Speaker 1: in a school. So already the person knows he's committing

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Speaker 1: a crime already, you know, allegedly he shot his grandmother too.

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Speaker 1: So here's a guy that doesn't care about laws. Laws

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Speaker 1: apply to people like you and me that follow them.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't apply to the bad guy that will go

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Speaker 1: in and shoot up a grocery store because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like black people. So do you think there's any law

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Speaker 1: we can pass right now that suddenly changes things like

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Speaker 1: what happened yesterday. Absolutely not. And I had this discussion,

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Speaker 1: very passionate discussion with my family yesterday about this. It's

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Speaker 1: not the gun and it's not the laws. You could

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Speaker 1: pass a thousand laws right now and it wouldn't apply

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Speaker 1: to the bad guy. The bad guy is always gonna

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Speaker 1: have a gun, and he's gonna get access to the gun,

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Speaker 1: whether he gets it legally or illegally. The bad guy's

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Speaker 1: gonna get it. What you do with these laws is

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Speaker 1: you actually restrict the law abiding citizen from protecting themselves

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Speaker 1: and and you know, enforcing their Second Amendment rights. And

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Speaker 1: so I strongly believe that, um, it's not the weapon here.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of other issues, mental health and anything

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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about. But training a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that go out there and buy guns, they need

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Speaker 1: to be trained as well, not just because you could

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Speaker 1: carry one you're just gonna get when you need adequate

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Speaker 1: training to do as well to respond to use it.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. Laws are are not gonna change this. It.

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Speaker 1: It's something that is an argument that falls flat on

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Speaker 1: his face because the bad guy, the gang member, the

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Speaker 1: cartel member, all these individuals will continue to have them

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Speaker 1: no matter we'll law. You pass agent underfirebook dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's a Victor Avula, former federal agent. What's interesting is

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Speaker 1: we've done about eleven minutes now, Victor, and we even'

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Speaker 1: talked about politics at all because we don't have to.

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Speaker 1: This is not political. But then you see somebody who

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Speaker 1: is a political animal like Abeto or Rourke, who or

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Speaker 1: like Julian Castro who could not wait to tweet yesterday

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Speaker 1: about changing gun laws. I don't understand why we have

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Speaker 1: to do that. You had to get together in Yuvaldi today,

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Speaker 1: where you had the governor, the lieutenant governor, the US senators.

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Speaker 1: You had people who were on the left and on

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Speaker 1: the right up on the stage just trying to get

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Speaker 1: information out too. Families that are just now finding out that,

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Speaker 1: unbelievably their childhood was one that was killed yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: instead of gathering together, you got a guy who thinks

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Speaker 1: that he should be the next governor of Texas show

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Speaker 1: up and try to shout down the governor. Does that

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Speaker 1: help anything? Is there a political solution to this, or

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Speaker 1: do we have to come together like a community and say,

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Speaker 1: I don't care which side of the ailee you're on,

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Speaker 1: let's save the kids. It just goes to show that

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Speaker 1: the left is despicable and dishonorable in the sense that

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Speaker 1: they won't even allow the family members, not even twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours to mourn the loss of their loved ones,

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Speaker 1: their children in this case, and in this case, Robert

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Speaker 1: Rancis or Rourke takes advantage to go in there and

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Speaker 1: blame the governor of Texas for this horrific act. He's

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Speaker 1: out of line, and I'm glad what I agree with

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Speaker 1: the mayor of evolving what he called them an soob

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Speaker 1: because I have some few choice words for a Rourke myself,

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Speaker 1: being from Apasto, Texas, him and I could be no

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Speaker 1: very very different as a conservative Hispanic American and where

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Speaker 1: he comes from does not signify my values and most

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Speaker 1: of the values of the people of Apostle, Texas. Yet

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Speaker 1: he comes and speak and really what he is is

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Speaker 1: a coward. I think he's a coward for doing that

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Speaker 1: and disrespected the family, law enforcement, and everyone that is

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Speaker 1: trying to abide by this horrific event that he has

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Speaker 1: absolutely no clue. This man has never been to a

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Speaker 1: crime scene. He has never seen what this carnage has

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Speaker 1: done to this families and the and the responding officers

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Speaker 1: and detectives that have to investigate these crimes. These are

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Speaker 1: horrid fix scenes that they actually have to deal with themselves.

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Speaker 1: And this guy put all of that aside because he

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Speaker 1: wants to be governor of Texas. It's pretty sick. I

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Speaker 1: mean when I saw it, I've been watching this guy

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Speaker 1: for a while. He seems to think he's owed the

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Speaker 1: governor's job, or the US Senate seat or something. It's

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Speaker 1: very strange. The sense of entitlement that he has. But

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought you brought up that you're both

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Speaker 1: from the same place. I think the American people, even

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Speaker 1: outside of Texas, think that he somehow does depict what

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Speaker 1: el Paso is liberal, far left, no fence, open border,

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Speaker 1: when I know that it's a predominantly Hispanic in El Paso,

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Speaker 1: predominantly Catholic or Christian in El Paso, predominantly conservative values

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Speaker 1: wise people. Why does he get away with bringing you

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Speaker 1: an outside California money and New York money in Chicago

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Speaker 1: money to try to win the governor's office when he

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Speaker 1: really doesn't represent somebody like you who's from the same places.

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Speaker 1: It's his ideology, his liberalism, progressivesm his globalism agenda that

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Speaker 1: I think is destroying our country. Is just is the

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Speaker 1: open borders part of it they all wanted. And remember

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Speaker 1: what Betto said, uh, just when he was running for president,

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Speaker 1: that he was going to take everybody's guns and he

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Speaker 1: was coming to get your a R fifteen right. And

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Speaker 1: then as he started running for governor, he said he's

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Speaker 1: not right. So now while he wants to do it again,

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Speaker 1: he has no idea of the values of Texans in

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Speaker 1: this state, and He's just a dangerous individual and a coward.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say it to his face, and he would

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Speaker 1: say it to his face. That's Victor Avula. He is

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Speaker 1: a former federal agent. He is a guy who who

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Speaker 1: took bullets for this country and lost his partner, Ummapada.

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Speaker 1: There's much more to that interview. You check it out

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Speaker 1: on my website Joe PAGs dot com. We appreciate him

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Speaker 1: coming on. We'll take some phone calls when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Right here on the Sean Hannity Show. Information download Sean

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Speaker 1: Hannity and the breaking news you might have missed today.

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Speaker 1: Insider in from a Sean Hannity. Always a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: sit in for my mentor my good friend Sean Hannity.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the trust. I appreciate being able to talk

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Speaker 1: to this incredible audience. My name is Joe Paggs. I'll

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Speaker 1: many in many cities. If you don't get me next,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Joe PAGs dot com, click on

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Speaker 1: listen live or watch now. You can watch it. But

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Speaker 1: either way, we have to come together as a country,

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Speaker 1: as a country with values to protect our kids and

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Speaker 1: innocent people at shopping malls and grocery stores. That's just

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Speaker 1: the bottom line, and I think we can do it together.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you hanging out thanks to Jason. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: his help today, and again Linda and Sean and everybody else.

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Speaker 1: James for the support and the trust. We've got to

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Speaker 1: get out of here for now. Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. Take care,