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Speaker 1: Sometimes I start with what is your greatest of all time?

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Speaker 1: But they have in common is they're like nothing else.

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Speaker 1: If you want to ask me what my calling is,

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Speaker 1: I want a bunch of those. I want to work

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Speaker 2: Episode four sixty one with artist manager Extraordinary John Pets.

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Speaker 2: He currently manages Ashley McBride, Brett Eldridge, Brothers Osbourne, Eric Church,

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Speaker 2: Marty Stewart, Harper O'Neil. I mean, the guy's next level

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Speaker 2: and I've known him for a long time. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: do a lot publicly, so it's pretty cool that he

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Speaker 2: I know him personally, I did not think he was

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Speaker 2: going to say yes. I don't know that he wanted

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Speaker 2: I think it was good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like the ones we do where they don't normally

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. And again I had, I mean socially

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Speaker 2: you know, enigmatic, as they would say, he's an artist

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Speaker 2: manager from Ohio. He started Q Prime South, a Nashville

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Speaker 2: you know, really instrumental in their success. He's a photographer,

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Speaker 2: video director, executive producer. His photos have been in the

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Speaker 2: album packages with The Black Keys, Eric Church Ashley McBride.

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Speaker 2: His photos have been I could keep going, but really

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Speaker 2: cool guy, really interesting guy. He's like the Doseki's guy,

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Speaker 2: interesting man. John Pete's Q Prime South. That's the Instagram

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Speaker 2: and episode four sixty one is now, I did not

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Speaker 2: think you would say yes to this. I just want

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Speaker 2: you to know. I've loved you forever. I've been myriady forever,

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Speaker 2: but you're like the mythological creature.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that's nice to hear you say. I do

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Speaker 1: like that position. Yeah, I said.

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Speaker 3: Yes because I like you too.

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Speaker 2: One thanks, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel I don't do a lot of

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Speaker 1: this and I really don't come out of my hive much,

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Speaker 2: I do know, Yeah, which is why I'm super grateful

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Speaker 2: that you decided to spend you know, forty five minutes,

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Speaker 2: fifty minutes with me. And I've never asked this question

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Speaker 2: to the question I'm going to ask. It's like, why

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Speaker 2: are you the way you are? Like, that's my goal

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Speaker 2: of sitting with you, because you're definitely different than anybody

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Speaker 2: and you and I it's been a few years, but

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Speaker 2: you know, we used to invest a little time, just

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Speaker 2: spend a time with each other. Right. I was so

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Speaker 3: I do remember that idea, Yeah, for good reason.

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Speaker 2: I think you had good reason, and so you were

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Speaker 2: And where was he in his life at that point?

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Speaker 1: Primarily it was before the record deal with Capitol. I

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Speaker 3: Well, it was the song It was the songs.

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Speaker 2: You know, with a lot of artists that I know

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: When did you become in your heart at creative? Because

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Speaker 2: So you were, but you were managing the band. Even

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's those little band. Someone's sure going when do

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Speaker 2: really good and maybe I'm right now, did you ever

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00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: go maybe I should go home?

443
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:27,959
Speaker 5: Oh?

444
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

445
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 2: Why did it? And why did it?

446
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: You?

447
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you know why? Because I think because

448
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 3: I could.

449
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: In some ways it's weird to say, but my parents

450
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: not understanding. I still don't think they really know what

451
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: I do, you know, producer or what are you? But

452
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 1: I I knew I could always go there, and that

453
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 1: I think it has a little bit of a obligatory

454
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: thing to it too. When you when you have a

455
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: safety net like that, if you're privileged enough to know

456
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 1: I can go home and there's going to be a

457
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: bed and I'll probably get something to eat. I feel

458
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: you're obligated to take some chances. You're obligated to go

459
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: for it, you know, and make a difference. And so

460
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: that kind of kept me here, you know, because I

461
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: could go back.

462
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: What music did your parents listen to in the house.

463
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: We listened to a lot of country. They were country

464
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 1: music fans. Yeah, they did the Johnny Cash thing and

465
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: all that.

466
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that that was the answer I was expecting,

467
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: not that it wasn't. Because you're from you know, Ruleish, Ohio,

468
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 2: so it makes sense. But I know, you're just kind

469
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 2: of like rock and roll to me, and maybe you're

470
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: just rock and roll in the country. I mean, you're

471
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: just different.

472
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 1: Well, I liked rock a lot more than I liked country,

473
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: but they played shuntry and I had an affinity. I mean,

474
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: and to be fair to my dad, he was pretty

475
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: outlok on. I mean, he was really the Cash Whalen guy.

476
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: He liked the rockier stuff. But yeah, I mean I

477
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: locked into the rock bands for sure.

478
00:21:48,440 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 5: Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back and

479
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 5: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

480
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: Your first music that you listened to that you felt

481
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: like was your your music, meaning mine was probably like

482
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: John Mayer. I felt like he sang songs and wrote

483
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: songs that kind of represent what I felt country music

484
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: represent where I came from, but like alternative stuff is

485
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: what I felt like. But really the John Mayer type

486
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: stuff was like, oh, this is like, well, I'm trying

487
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: to say, like, what were your first musical folks that

488
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: you felt like?

489
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: Man, I relate, hmmm, yeah, that's that's that's interesting.

490
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of I vacillate a lot in there,

491
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: because this is a long way of saying this, but

492
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: we live close to an amusement.

493
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 3: Park, close enough that at age fourteen.

494
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: You could get a license for riding like a moped

495
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: on the street, go to motorize bike. So we would

496
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: get one season pass and my friend who is now

497
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: an architect, great artist, we'd get one season passed.

498
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: One person would go in. I'd stamp your hand, come out.

499
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: He would take his role of markers and he would

500
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: draw on everybody's hand the stamp and we would all

501
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: go in every day of the summer, and you know,

502
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: you're fourteen. You get your first glimpse of freedom and

503
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: the record of the year that year is Back in

504
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: Black by ac DC, and I can't I could never

505
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: shake that record, you know. And I don't know if

506
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: they're saying my you know, my value set necessarily, but

507
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: the the guttural like thing of that that was all

508
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: over that park. You know, you're meeting girls and it's

509
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: like you're riding the rise. It's just it's just cranked

510
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: with And Cleveland was, as you know, Cleveland's kind of

511
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: a rock and roll town anyway. So your radio station

512
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: is coming from WMMS up there, who had won Rock

513
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: Station of the Year over and over and over again,

514
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: and a lot of Cleveland pride and breaking rush and

515
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, just doing rock bands, you know, So that

516
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: all was kind of going in at that time. So

517
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: but I really liked all kinds of music, and I

518
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: think I really like the Eagles, you know too for

519
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: some of the more I think kind of subtle messages

520
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: and musicality and melody and stuff like that.

521
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: But man, I liked it. I just liked to rock

522
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: when I was young.

523
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: Were there any concerts that came to the theme park

524
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: near your house? Any artists that would come because we

525
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: had a Magic Springs we had like Diamond Real. First

526
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: concert ever went to Diamond Real Magic Springs. Were there

527
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: artists that came through.

528
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the other artists that came through go or did

529
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: you even I went to Yeah? I went to a couple.

530
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: I think I saw the cars maybe, But there was

531
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: also a great amphitheater there. Oh yeah, it was pretty

532
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: close that. I saw a lot of my first concerts

533
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: there too.

534
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: Being in Cleveland, is it like New York and the

535
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: Statue of Liberty when you have the rock and Roll

536
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame? Do you ever go or did just Touristicota?

537
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: The first time I've gone is like a couple of

538
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: years ago.

539
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible because it's you know, Cleveland is to me

540
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: is rock and roll. Lebron and rock and roll. Those

541
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: are the two things I think about when I think

542
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: about Cleveland. But was that when was that built? Was

543
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: it built already there the Hall of Fame when you

544
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: were a kid?

545
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: Oh? I think I think it was built after that.

546
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what year was built, but I think

547
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: I moved to Nashville in ninety five, I think, so

548
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: it might have been built before then, but not ninety five.

549
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

550
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So if I left and they built it,

551
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 3: do you.

552
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: Care that if about the Guardian's name? Oh, I don't,

553
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't either.

554
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either.

555
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: And you know what, I actually understood a bit of

556
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: the Redskins situation. I was like, I get it. I

557
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: didn't feel like the Guardian. That one doesn't feel good

558
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: to me.

559
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: That's hard for me.

560
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

561
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

562
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: And I'm not even from Cleveland, and I feel like

563
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: The Guardians that's kind of weird. And you know, our

564
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: show is on in Cleveland and I have to talk

565
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: about The Guardians. Some they do something in a local

566
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: but The Guardians feels weird and I'm not even a

567
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: local there.

568
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what we're garden up there anyway?

569
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, or where you're what is that? I don't know

570
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: how you moved to town and you're figuring out who

571
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: you are as a person, You're figuring out what you're

572
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: good at. Are you finding enjoyment in kind of this

573
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: new area that you've pulled yourself into, or are you

574
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: still just kind of figuring out what you want your

575
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: next thing to be going maybe I want to be

576
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: at a label or are you going, oh, this is

577
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: what I can do. I'm building these databases. Yeah, I

578
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: think I can actually carve my own version of this.

579
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: Did you feel like that early.

580
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: On, Yeah, early on, I mean I loved it here

581
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: from you know, I mean disappointed maybe or maybe just

582
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of facing a truth that you're not you know,

583
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: you were pointed at the root note, you know, kind

584
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: of the caveman version of oh you, I want to

585
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: be a singer, I want to be a guitar player.

586
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: Whatever.

587
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: It's kind of the basics, not understanding how much opportunity

588
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: was really was really here, you know. And I but

589
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: the people I ran into and the stuff I got

590
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: to be a part of, and do and I mean

591
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: I remember, you know Pam Tillis's I do. Yeah, I

592
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: had to take her speakers shop because I always have

593
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: been a studio or a stereo person.

594
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: I've I've you know, I didn't have any money, but

595
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: I would buy the best beacause I could ever buy.

596
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: An engineer or engineer then producer.

597
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: I did, I did, and I and I tried a

598
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: little bit of that. I I mixed on the road,

599
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: I made a record on.

600
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: My brother's band. I worked in the studio a bunch.

601
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Why don't you think that stuck?

602
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it was that good at that either.

603
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: I think it was okay. And one of the reasons.

604
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: Uh, what I have trouble with in studio my problem

605
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: with studio stuff, And it's still as you said earlier.

606
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm heavily involved with record making from my

607
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: seat as a manager, But listening to a snare over

608
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: and over to pick subtleties of the snare and how

609
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: that's going to come together is not my thing.

610
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm way more of an emotional.

611
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: Listener, you know, like a Rick Rubin.

612
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: He thinks way more in there.

613
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: I've sat with him and you have, yeah, nickel Creek.

614
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: I was going to make a record with him that

615
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: we didn't end up making.

616
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: But but that's you to me in this space, like

617
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: you're that Rick Rubin to me, well, that's very not

618
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: as old, you know. Rick Rubin, him, in my mind,

619
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: paved the way for people with awesome taste to be

620
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: a part of making in that foundation level of making music.

621
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: You don't have to be in Rick Rubin, he's not

622
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: a musician, yeah, but he just goes in. It's an

623
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: intuitive yeah, And I feel like that's that's what you are.

624
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: I think, Well, I love that comparison, of course, but

625
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: I think when you say that, it also is interesting

626
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: because I had to come over here, you know.

627
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it. And we have a wall

628
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: in the office of.

629
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: The records, you know, and there's there's sixty albums up

630
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: there that I've been a part of making and managing,

631
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, but they're not It's from Nickel Creek to

632
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: the Black Keys. It gets and Rick is kind of

633
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: like that too. It's like it's beast.

634
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: Doesn't feel good or is it right? You know?

635
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: And that's how I've always seen music too. And that's

636
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: even weirder for a manager, in the sense that a

637
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 1: lot of it, or people assume a lot of it

638
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: is predicated on your contacts and your relationships and your

639
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: ability to do.

640
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: Business or you know the people right, and you know

641
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: the particular specialty in which you are doing, you know,

642
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: and I have not done that.

643
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: Tell me about pamp Tellos and the speaker, Oh speakers

644
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: of me so b.

645
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: Anyway, she wanted to go buy some new speakers and

646
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: this guy was working for so you should take her

647
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: because you know more about this than us. But the

648
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: cob I was driving it, nineteen eighty seven Chevy something

649
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: but in Ohio. I brought her from a house all

650
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: rusted and the headliner and certain humidity you know, comes

651
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: down a fall. Yes, and her door, the door, passenger

652
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: door or the driver door doesn't work, so I can

653
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: open the door for her, but I have to get

654
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: in through the window or the back.

655
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: Seat, you know.

656
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: So she and I have a really long hair at

657
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: this point, and she knows a little bit about me,

658
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: so it isn't like I've just kind of met her,

659
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: but she's just shaking her hand. We had the best time,

660
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: and it was just like one of those things where

661
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: going I cannot believe this kid from Ohio was sitting

662
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: here taking Pam Tillis speaker shopping in my shitty car,

663
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: like I just couldn't believe it.

664
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: And it's those kind of things that was going. This

665
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: is worth the whole thing right here.

666
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: If nothing happens, these experiences, these little moments, you know,

667
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: are beyond I would.

668
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: Have ever thought any music in your house being played,

669
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: your parents playing music, your parents, seeing mom, dad, anything.

670
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: No.

671
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: So your love comes from what just the age you

672
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: grew up, in the place you grew up.

673
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: I guess, and the deep, deep pull on the heart.

674
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: Man, I mean it's.

675
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: I think, and I've miss so many people in town here.

676
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: I think there is a big common thread of that.

677
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I think you beat the accountants, you beat anybody. They

678
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: for the most part, people love music that move here

679
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: and work in music. They were affected greatly as children somehow.

680
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was the place. My

681
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: mom's one of nine. It's a very big family. We

682
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: partied all the time, so there was lots of lots

683
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: of that celebration going on. There was always music around.

684
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: Nobody played, but it was always in the in the mix.

685
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: And I just think it really when you're young and

686
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: you're dealing with your stuff. I really just leaned into

687
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: leading into that music. You know, it meant a lot.

688
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: When did you think and who was it? Yeah? I

689
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: needed an artist. I think I can really shape an artist.

690
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: Or you met somebody and you're like, we need a partnership,

691
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: like in your in the infancy stages. Who was that

692
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: artist that you were like, come with me or let's

693
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: work together, or like who was the first else?

694
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: Nickel Creek. Yeah, and they were I mean I don't

695
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: know how.

696
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they must have been sixteen years old or

697
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: something and dad was playing bass, and I just remember,

698
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: and I mean you've you've probably seen this a bunch

699
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: and I have now too, but it it's.

700
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: Like it's it's just magic. You know.

701
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: Music is magic, and if especially when you put it

702
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: in a room like this and you take a band

703
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: like that with three disparate acoustic instruments, and just all

704
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the room is filled with what you

705
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: can't even imagine what's going on, especially with those three

706
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: so intricate, you know what they're playing and playing all

707
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: each other and singing that beautiful harmony, and you're going,

708
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I could, I could rule the world with

709
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: this magic trick, you know. So then I just go,

710
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: these guys are great. I just need to get put

711
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: them in front of the right in the right situation

712
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: and turn it on, you know, is the way it felt.

713
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: And then fortunately for me, oh brother, where at thou happened?

714
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: You know?

715
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there with the band of sixteen and

716
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: seventeen year olds, and Time Magazine makes a trip to

717
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: this festival called Myrtle Fest because their, oh brother, the

718
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: movie is taking off, so like we need to see

719
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: what old time music is. So they come down to

720
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: see Dolly Parton kind of thinking in this, you know,

721
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: North Carolina Music Festival.

722
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: That's what it's going to be.

723
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: And my guy, Chris Theely is playing mandolin in Dolly's

724
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: band because that's what they do, these bluegrass bands, you know,

725
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: they all they have their band, but they play with everybody.

726
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: Who is this kid and this kid.

727
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: Has a band and he came and saw the band

728
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: and they wrote about it in Time magazine that you know,

729
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: they called them a band of the millennium or something

730
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: like some crazy thing because the old time music had

731
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: a spotlight on it and they were their kids here,

732
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, is basically what the story was. And that

733
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: just kind of really got things going for us.

734
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exciting because it was it was different and

735
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: then it was everywhere. But you were already involved in

736
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: it when it was different. So when it became normal, oh,

737
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: brother art, that really did like put them on a scene,

738
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: but they were already.

739
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: Doing it right Oh yeah yeah, so.

740
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: You're involved and you're like, we're just trying to get

741
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: this exposed. Who knows if it'll work. And definitely Nickel

742
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: Creek's different. I mean it's like a little bluegrass, a

743
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: little so oh. We used to play their videos all

744
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: the time in the music station I work for back

745
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: in Texas, Like that's where's where I became a fan

746
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: watching their videos. But then it comes around does it

747
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: feel like success or does it feel like we're fine,

748
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: we finally now have a shot or was it not

749
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: even about the shot? Was it just about making music

750
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: and let's just see where it lands.

751
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's more. That's more like it. You know.

752
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I felt like that's what it was, just making music

753
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: and going and again a lot of gratitude and it's

754
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: it's turning out to be a recurring theme in here.

755
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: But it's like, just your expectations or what are your.

756
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: Expectations weas to do it? Yeah, that's what I want

757
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: to know.

758
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: What were your expectations, Yeah, to be able to have

759
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: a job doing this, you know. And they they I

760
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: think they were interesting because they were homeschooled and they

761
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: were their parents took them to bluegrass festivals, which I'm

762
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: still in awe of that culture in the sense that

763
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of music culture where the masters

764
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: the children have access to the masters. So you can

765
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: go to a bluegrass festival and here is the best

766
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: Tony Rice Bayla flex at the campground, and here is

767
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: twelve year old kids watching them, trying to.

768
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: Play with them. I mean it's like, how do we

769
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: learn how to walk?

770
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we're around it and it just

771
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: becomes something you do and you do it, you know,

772
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that opportunity went in like that.

773
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: But they there, they're homeschool, they get to access their masters,

774
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: they start a band, and the band kind of works.

775
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's idyllic, you know, in a sense. So

776
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: I think they didn't have a sense of this is

777
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: going to be hard or this is what is this

778
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: going to be. It just kind of was part of

779
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: their life. And I kind of enter that scene with

780
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: no real no track record.

781
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: No expectation. Wow, this is kinda we can do this,

782
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: you know.

783
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: I feel like one of the superpowers I was lucky

784
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: enough to find with myself was a bit of ignorance

785
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: about the industry and being naive but not scared because

786
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: I've been in my fair share of trouble and had

787
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 2: my fair share of naysayers. And anybody that does anything

788
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: different does because it challenges the status quo, and the

789
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: status quo is happy, right, the status quo is just

790
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: happy and sitting up in the chair and having to

791
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: having a good day. But the fact that I was

792
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: a bit naive, not that knowledgeable, had a love but

793
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: wasn't scared. Like I feel like that was like the

794
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: right ingredients from my stew to work. And it feels

795
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: a little bit like because they were so good, but

796
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: they were so young, so they weren't even they weren't

797
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: like they didn't burn by the industry.

798
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: Oh they didn't know.

799
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

800
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, naive, it's awesome. I mean, it really is.

801
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: I think those qualities you described her man, if we

802
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: could all stay there.

803
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: In the right mix.

804
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, you got to be so nice.

805
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: I want to be so naive. Another artist that I

806
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: think about when I think about you and you believing

807
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: in them way early and they were so good, but

808
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: I think it took forever was Ashley. I feel like

809
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: Ashley took about three years longer than it should have.

810
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always at that.

811
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't know why I always said that in that mix,

812
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: but it's uh but yeah, and again it was just

813
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: one of those things.

814
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: And she was with me.

815
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: We went to third Linsley, you know, and sat down

816
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: and this girl took the stage and I had seen

817
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: a video on Reverb, so I knew. I was like,

818
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: this is interesting because she sounded country to me, and

819
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: at that time there wasn't I don't want to say

820
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: any did seem like there were any, you know.

821
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: It was overwhelmingly kind of pop style singing.

822
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: And we went to the bar and I think it

823
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: was maybe two songs in and I just leaned over

824
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: to Regina and said, we're doing this.

825
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: I know exactly what this is.

826
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: We're doing this with her about her, I mean, her

827
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: command of herself and the sound and her just command.

828
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: I'm going this girl's been playing.

829
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: Bars for I don't know how long, but she knows

830
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: how to handle herself in front of people. And again

831
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: it was just like that, a little bit like that

832
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: Nickel Creek thing.

833
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: Of she just needs to be put in the right positions.

834
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: She just needs to, you know, have the songs edited

835
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: down into something that makes sense for that harmonizes with

836
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: who she really is as a person.

837
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: These kind of things.

838
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: This is not taking someone and having to figure out

839
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: every bit of it. You know. It just seemed like

840
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: the statue was kind of there, you know, in the

841
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: rock already.

842
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: You just got to like just let it out there.

843
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: It is the Bobby cast Will be right back. This

844
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: is the Bobby Cast.

845
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: How do you start with something you know is great

846
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: and something you know everybody else is eventually going to

847
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: know is great. It's gonna be a process to get

848
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: there a little bit. How do you sit with Ashley

849
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: and go I want to work with you and I

850
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: don't really want you to be anybody different, but there's

851
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: some steps we got to take in order to if

852
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: we want this goal, this goal or that goal, Like

853
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: where are those conversations? How do they happen?

854
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: I think you I always start with with what is

855
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: your idea of success? Like we talked about earlier. I

856
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: think it's really important to hear the elements of that

857
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice is really a little strong.

858
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: But you want to feel like this person is called

859
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: to do this, and if it's going to be Saturday night,

860
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: they're going to be planning there at their friend's house,

861
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: the coffee shop or the arena, like it wouldn't really no.

862
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: Plan beaters is what I call them.

863
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, and that that's

864
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: number one, you know, And then you can kind of

865
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: like go right, let's go d further into that and

866
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: go what what do you, what can you do? You

867
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: really want a brand new car?

868
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: Early?

869
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: Are you? What do you? How do you view your

870
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: peer group?

871
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 1: You know, which is always an interesting kind of thing

872
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: because you can't pin your stuff on other people's success.

873
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: You really have to be tilling your own acre. It's

874
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: a trapping and yeah, and it's so hard in your face,

875
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, so trying to frame up those kind of

876
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: characteristics in a person, because the talent is one thing,

877
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: and then there's these characteristics that seem like they're another thing,

878
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: and a little bit of stubbornness, you know, a little

879
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: bit of like I mean, I sometimes I start with

880
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: what is your greatest of all time? And people have

881
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: all kinds of different answers of that, and they'll say,

882
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, someone say Johnny Cash or Pink Floyd or

883
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: whatever they whatever they say, and you put them up

884
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: on the board and you say, what do they have

885
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: in common? And what they have in common is they're

886
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: like nothing else. And I always say, that's what I

887
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: want to do. If you want to ask me what

888
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: my calling is, I want a bunch of those. And

889
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of derivatives. They're gonna make great money

890
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: and great, great things.

891
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: I want to believe.

892
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: I want to work on the stuff that people will

893
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: never forget, and those things should be hard to find

894
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: and they should be hard to build, and you've got

895
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: to be ready for that. But immediately when you set

896
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: that tone, you're not looking for what's similar. You're looking

897
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: for what are your points of differentiation between you and

898
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: this see of what the country music community is.

899
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: And that often comes with this is going to be

900
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: really hard and long.

901
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: Because it's different. Yeah, people don't like people are told

902
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: they don't like different things, because people do like different things.

903
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: It's just if it doesn't feel comfortable, we're like, ooh,

904
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: should I trust it?

905
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: Right?

906
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: My moment with Ashley where I've like fell in love

907
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: with Ashley happened. It was kind of an uncomfortable situation

908
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: in a space. Somebody from a record label, a different

909
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: record label was like, hey know, and Ashley and I

910
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: don't play music like I'm not I don't pick music.

911
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm not a program director. Sometimes people pin that on me.

912
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: Just not my job. They told me to be go

913
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: be compelling for five hours. They put like three songs

914
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: up an hour. I might play them, I might not,

915
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: but I don't even pick them but I could pick them,

916
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: like if I want to just play a song, I can,

917
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: but not my deal. And I remember somebody came up

918
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: to me and they were like, yeah, you guys aren't

919
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: playing Ashley And she said f you guys, you especially,

920
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: or something like that to me, and I was like,

921
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know her, That's what I remember thinking.

922
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know her. And so I saw her

923
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, I'm Bobby, and somehow that

924
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: I gotten back to her and she was like you

925
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 2: should just know, and it was something I'm gonna I'm

926
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: gonna paraphrase. She was like, I don't need you a radio,

927
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: but like I would like it, and if you like

928
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: what I'm doing, that would be awesome, Like we can,

929
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: we can do we do tons of things if you like.

930
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: But it was just like her going, I don't really

931
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: say that, and I'm not begging you to do anything,

932
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: but if there's like a common thread here, why would

933
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: we not just walk together a little bit? And I

934
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: thought that was so honest and refreshing and not what

935
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm used to here, especially then when I really didn't

936
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: know the difference. Who has given me the oh right?

937
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

938
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: And I was just like, man, I think she's awesome.

939
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: I love her now and she's I like spending time

940
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: with her. That that that kind of person, and I

941
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: can see how you could see the authentic authenticity in

942
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: her quick. Yes, and when you're having those those talks, right,

943
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: she's telling you exactly what she wants, you kind of

944
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 2: believe her. Yeah. Yeah. Brother's Osborne interesting as well. Yes,

945
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: And I'll have to remove a little of my personal

946
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: bias because I really I love those guys like as.

947
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: People like yeah, incredible people.

948
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the like I get emotional talking about them,

949
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: and I have to like sometimes check that whenever my

950
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: boss comes to me and goes, hey, what do you

951
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: think about this? And I'm like, if you're gonna see

952
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: me a Brother song, automatically love it. I've even heard

953
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: it right, Like, it's hard for me to just be

954
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: because I do what they represent, what they John and TJ,

955
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: both in their own respective ways, individually represent and the

956
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: vulnerabilities that they've shared, the freaking awesome music they make.

957
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: It's twenty eight percent different than anything else, but it's

958
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: they look different. They like it feels. It's a very

959
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: common thread here. Are you finding an artist that is

960
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: so takes a long time, so that is so pure

961
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: and you don't make them change, but you find a

962
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: way to communicate exactly what they're doing to the people

963
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: so they can understand it so they can then share

964
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: it with the world. I feel like that communication is

965
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: the hardest thing for you, for people to understand what

966
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: Brothers Osbourne, whether about what they're doing and how they

967
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: connect with people.

968
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is, amen, brother, Yeah, that's

969
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: I work on that puzzle almost every day because with

970
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: these guys.

971
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you knew nothing about them and you're like,

972
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: here's this band, it's kind of like, we'll really simplify.

973
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: It's like a a country skinnerd and they are from

974
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: a rural part and don't take the fact they're from

975
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: the Northeast holding together. They're from rural parts. They're from

976
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: freaking rural America. Yeah, and I mean other parents, So yeah,

977
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: you don't come from that and not be country. If

978
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: you just played it for people before they saw them

979
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: or before they I think they'd be like this freaking rocks. Yeah,

980
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: but some people get weird ideas when they see people.

981
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: I saw them at a radio seminar in Chicago, like

982
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 2: thirteen years ago, they came and played it a radio

983
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: thing together, first time I ever saw them, and I

984
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: was like, I was thinking I was some pop. I

985
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: was in pop then doing pop and hip hop, and

986
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, oh, those guys are good, Like that's

987
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: that's that's that's country music. That's good though. That's like

988
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: it was. It was soulful. But I just feel like

989
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: that communication on brothers Osborne. I'm very being very personal

990
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: about this, but I feel like that's the hardest thing.

991
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: Is like, this is what they do and this is

992
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: who they talked to and four and it's exactly who

993
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: you're trying to talk to and for. Don't be so

994
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: scared of it.

995
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: Right right, right, that is it's the hardest part. I know,

996
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 3: it is the hardest part.

997
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: I feel like I do that for them too. I

998
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't say that, but I do. And they make really

999
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: really good music and I'm glad they haven't modified what

1000
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: they're about and even what they're doing to chase that.

1001
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: Right, that's a big that's a big thing, and.

1002
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: That's what's going to keep them around for them, Right,

1003
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: That's right.

1004
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: And it's a slower it's a slower curve, but it's

1005
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: a it's a rewarding and gratifying curve. And I just

1006
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: that's just my calling, man, That's that's what I'm going

1007
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: to kind of orbit. And you know, like you said,

1008
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: I feel like my job is to magnify the best

1009
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: parts of who they are and those points of differentiation

1010
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: and coax those forward and coax those out of.

1011
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: Why you're different. You know.

1012
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: So I'm not really helpful in the equation if you

1013
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: were saying, well, uh, here's a here's a band, and

1014
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: if they would just soften this sound, you know, they

1015
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: can really fit in. And I thought that's what most

1016
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: people's perspective would be, and I just don't. My instincts

1017
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: are opposite of that. I had a conversation the other

1018
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: day with a songwriter and he's not from here. He's

1019
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: from another country, and he's he did really well, and

1020
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: so the country has come here. He's writing with songwriters

1021
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: and he met with me and and he said, yeah,

1022
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to find my tribe. And he's describing

1023
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: a writer's room and he goes, do you think those

1024
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: are important? I said, well, I, you know, I think

1025
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: that the craft is very important as a high level here.

1026
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: The craft here is amazing. You should learn what you

1027
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: can learn about the craft. He said, well, you know,

1028
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: I have this mountain where I'm from and it means

1029
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: a lot to me, and I wrote about it, and

1030
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: I said, you can't talk about that mountain. You know,

1031
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: that mountain is nobody knows what you're talking about. That's

1032
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: never gonna don't just don't don't do that. And I said, see,

1033
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop you right there. If I was worrying

1034
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: with you, the record would be entitled that Mountain like that.

1035
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: It would be all about that mountain.

1036
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: It would be that's that's your whole thing, your whole

1037
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 1: points of differentiation is about that and where you're from

1038
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: and your different perspective. Said, they're trying to make you

1039
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: fit inside country music. You have an opportunity to make

1040
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: country music bigger. That should be your calling, you know.

1041
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that went very well, you know,

1042
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: with him, but it's.

1043
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: Probably different than what anybody else was telling him too.

1044
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that that is my true truly, I tell you,

1045
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: that's my instincts with everybody. That's what it's gonna be.

1046
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: It's gonna be, you know, what is the the thing

1047
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: that's going.

1048
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 3: To keep it different.

1049
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: Even the art. Let's you know, because you have Ashley

1050
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: and Eric and brothers and there's a there's a thread

1051
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: between them where they're very authentic with who they are

1052
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: on stage off stage, sonically it's it's a bit different.

1053
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: But if we move from the artist thing, like I'll

1054
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: use Brett and I'll say again, it's hard to remove

1055
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: bias because Brett's one of my top three best friends

1056
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: on Earth. But the record when he came over and

1057
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: sort of working with you, the record that he did

1058
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: that wasn't the most commercially successful record is my favorite

1059
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: record he's ever done, and his favorite record he's ever done.

1060
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: And I remember him just being like, yeah, I don't

1061
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: really know if there are any radio hits here, and

1062
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: you know they haven't done that, but he's like, this

1063
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: feels so good to make the record and have somebody

1064
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: go make the art you love, right, And that from

1065
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: already semi knowing you but definitely knowing your work, but

1066
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: then having another, you know, connection to you through somebody

1067
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: that I'm really close with. Like the happiness that he

1068
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: felt by the pressure not being how many number ones

1069
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: can you make from this record? And I genuinely think

1070
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: It's made him a better artist, right, the ability to

1071
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: feel free to chase what makes him and commercially there

1072
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: may be a setback or two, but I think he's

1073
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: a better artist now and a better feeler than he

1074
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: ever was. And I credit you with that, and I

1075
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: think he does too. When you hear words like that,

1076
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: do you realize how instrumentally you are in people's lives you?

1077
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, but that that makes me.

1078
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: That fills my heart because that if if, if that

1079
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: is what if that's all I did, and no one

1080
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: ever heard of any bands.

1081
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: I work with, I would I would die a happy person.

1082
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1083
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: I mean that that aultimate at least, seems like the

1084
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: the job.

1085
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: Why would you work with bretla Uh?

1086
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Because I do think that he is different and uniquely

1087
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: talented if you boil down him to his elemental self.

1088
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: I did not like his music. I mean, I like

1089
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: the hits.

1090
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: They are fun, you know, I liked it, but I

1091
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: didn't love it in the same way that these these

1092
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: that other thread you said it seems like an odd

1093
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: ball on its on its face, but I think if

1094
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: you dig a little deeper, he is has such a

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00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: unique gift. His gift is and his voice is incredible.

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00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: His ability to emote is second to none. I believe

1097
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: everything that guy says if he's framed right, you know, and.

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00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: That is rare. So I felt that that was insanely different.

1099
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: And unique, you know, But it wasn't just you know,

1100
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't allowed to do what.

1101
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: It was supposed to do.

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00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: It feels to me, and correct me if I'm wrong.

1103
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: With these other artists, they had who they were, and

1104
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: you were embracing that, and you're strategizing a way to

1105
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: make them achieve their whatever their success is. With Brett,

1106
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: like he already had success, and it was more of

1107
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: I made it worse. Let's let's figure out who you

1108
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: are again? Yes, No, that was it, instead of the

1109
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: opposite like you're yeah, because again Brett can write one

1110
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: hundred number one radio hits. Yeah till tomorrow.

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00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1112
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: But I feel like with Brett, it was a bit

1113
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: of the opposite where it's like, yeah, down the middle,

1114
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: you've crushed it, but yeah, you want to you want

1115
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: to feel something. Who the heck are you? That's right?

1116
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: And that and that took we called it the uh

1117
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: walking in the woods, you know, we we took a

1118
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: lot of time to just talk and try to figure

1119
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: out who each other were, and and then then you

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00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: can know, you know, then you fall in love with

1121
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: the guy. He's a great guy too, you know, which

1122
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: makes you go, we're gonna We're gonna figure.

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Speaker 3: This out no matter what. You know, however how long

1124
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: it takes.

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Speaker 1: And and we took a lot of time towards that,

1126
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's what he needed. And I

1127
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: was able to provide some of that for him and super.

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Speaker 3: Proud of the work we've done. Yeah, but it took,

1129
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: but it took.

1130
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was music was out of the mix

1131
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: for a long time. This is like, this is human stuff, man.

1132
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: You know, that's an investment. I mean, yes, it's a

1133
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: business you're doing, but you're also you're in the business

1134
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: of people. But you're that's a big investment time, yes,

1135
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: because if you're spending time at making no money, that's

1136
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 2: costing you money. But is the cost of money actually

1137
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: making you more? You know, it's all these things. You're

1138
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: constantly having a wagh out, right, And so it just

1139
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: feels like you're very much an intuitive with people and

1140
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: you try to find what their true self is that

1141
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: they can do for a long, long, long time because

1142
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: it's their true self right sustainable, find that it's sustainable.

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00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's take a quick pause for a message from

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00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: our sponsor.

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00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Bobby Cast Black Keys. Yes, I don't know,

1146
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say those two words.

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00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: Black Keys.

1148
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: Seventeen years of working with them. Great band, I mean again,

1149
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: one of those things that felt very out a visceral

1150
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: response to what they were doing early on, and thought

1151
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: I could do them some good. They're from Ohio, you know,

1152
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: so we had a little bit of a connection there

1153
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: and I'm really proud of the work we've done. Man

1154
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: from Bannon Akron. That was you know, I don't know

1155
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: what it was, maybe five or ten dollars tickets, you know,

1156
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: they they were a little bit known. They had a

1157
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: couple of records on Fat Possum when I picked them

1158
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: up and took them to one of the biggest rock

1159
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: bands in the world, and it was a journey of

1160
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: a lifetime.

1161
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: You know, it was amazing.

1162
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: And you know, trying to do what I do best

1163
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: it and I'm I'm very open to this because you know,

1164
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: I don't I haven't had the same roster for my

1165
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: entire life. You know, some of them are very long term.

1166
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I like it to be that way. I invest that way.

1167
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm that kind of person, you know. But I also

1168
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: understand that there are windows of time that you're right

1169
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: for certain human beings, and sometimes it's time for them

1170
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: to change. Change it up for me and for for them.

1171
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: You know that you've served your your role maybe, and

1172
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: so you know, we got to a place where that

1173
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: we were kind of talking two different languages about what

1174
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: I thought it should be and what they thought it

1175
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: should be. And sometimes relationships, like marriages, they can grow

1176
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: complacent with the value of someone. Speaking of Rick Rubin,

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00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of those things that you hear

1178
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: about him. Sometimes I lays on the couch. I don't

1179
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: know what he's doing, you know, but when he hears

1180
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: something and he sticks up from that couch, he's right,

1181
00:53:59,760 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: you know.

1182
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: So there's our time was it was time to kind

1183
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: of make a change for them.

1184
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: But we we still talk and we still have a relationship,

1185
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes that's that's good to take a

1186
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: split and go go, go try something different. See you

1187
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: know what those differences are. And you know, I never

1188
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: had a real job, you know, I worked in that

1189
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: wine warehouse and then I started doing odd jobs and

1190
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: I do this so I'm always open to Hey, you know,

1191
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what other managers even do, really, you know,

1192
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: so try it.

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00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: You know that you guys had such mega success together.

1194
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: Mega success yeah crazy, what I mean it's it's two guys. Yeah,

1195
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: it sounds like a full rock band. And what you

1196
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: guys were able to do together, I mean it's it's

1197
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: mega success pop. It was so big it turned pop. Yeah,

1198
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: he didn't chase pop. But sometimes things get so big

1199
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: they're just popular and they are in just the consciousness

1200
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: of folks. And you got you did that with something

1201
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: that probably shouldn't have been if.

1202
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, two pieces like that's what

1203
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: it was, rock band from Makrot High. That's hard, that's

1204
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean again, I don't credit myself, but together we

1205
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, we build something that you're getting calls from Japan,

1206
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean.

1207
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: It's cool, uh, group people, dynamics. How often do you

1208
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: have to step in if you're and we'll take the

1209
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: let's completely removed black keys because it's not about them,

1210
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: but you do have you know, you have brothers or

1211
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 2: if you're dealing with the band. Well they're brothers. That's weird.

1212
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: How often do you have to hop in and make

1213
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: sure everybody's good?

1214
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: A lot? And I think we should probably do it more,

1215
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: you know. I mean there's a real ah. This goes

1216
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: on the management side too, in your job too.

1217
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: Man.

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00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: It's like a work life balance is really important to

1219
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: all of us, and we all work in disciplines that

1220
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: will take everything you can give, and there's still plenty

1221
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: more if you would like to work some more.

1222
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: You know, there is no the day is over thing

1223
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: for any of us.

1224
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's really important to try to balance that.

1225
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: If you are going for that sustainability, if you are

1226
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: trying to be one of the greatest of all time,

1227
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: it's going to take time and.

1228
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: Sacrifice, yes, in fact sacrifice.

1229
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: And so I think it's really important to be checking in,

1230
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: and not only with the bands, but there are so

1231
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: many people whose lives orbit the band, the root note

1232
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: of the band, and most importantly, but their primary relationships,

1233
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: whatever that is. You know, new artists now, I really

1234
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: take some time to get with the significant other and say, hey,

1235
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: this person's about to go out on this radio tour

1236
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: or some promotional thing, and let me tell you something.

1237
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: It sucks.

1238
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: But what you're going to see is you're going to

1239
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: see an Instagram feed that looks like this person having

1240
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: the time of their life, and I'm telling you it's

1241
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: not true.

1242
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: And they're working really hard.

1243
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: And I want you guys to talk about it now

1244
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: and keep me in the triangle of this because I

1245
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: will help, because I know that it's immediately going to

1246
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: get off on the wrong foot if you don't talk

1247
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: about it.

1248
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: You know. So there's this whole you know, there's all

1249
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 3: that stuff that goes.

1250
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: On, and I think it's really important for a manager

1251
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: to be cognizant of those mental health things and work

1252
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: life things and keeping the goal, you know, reminding people

1253
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: of the original conversation, at least.

1254
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: For me, of like what are you doing this for?

1255
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: And what is your definition of success? And don't forget it,

1256
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: you know that's really important.

1257
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: When did you start to prioritize a bit more. Balance

1258
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: is a tough wad because you never actually achieve it.

1259
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: You make a great point about this business. If you

1260
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: want to do the work, there's always a lot more

1261
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: work to be done, right, And I've gotten caught up

1262
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: at times in only doing that and neglecting any sort

1263
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: of personal right relationship to which is why I ask you,

1264
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: when did that happen for you that you needed to

1265
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: invest a little more of yourself into the person version

1266
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: of you.

1267
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: Kids, we'll do that.

1268
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: See that's where that's where we don't have kids yet

1269
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: talking about it.

1270
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1271
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a thing that you have big

1272
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: decisions to make and they're moving quick, and they don't

1273
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: care who you are, you know, they just and uh,

1274
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean I hope for you and for others that

1275
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: doesn't take that, you know what I mean? Because we

1276
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: should try to be able to get there without that take.

1277
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: We should. But we're all not the same. Yeah, we

1278
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: all come from different backgrounds, right. I I struggle. I don't.

1279
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: I don't just consciously go, let's get some balance. I

1280
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: have to really remind myself that I have a wife

1281
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: that would rather not see me flip the laptop open

1282
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: at three am and close it at midnight and then

1283
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: do it again the next day and just stay on that.

1284
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: But I don't do it on purpose. But if I

1285
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: don't stay on me too. To put in my calendar

1286
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: certain things, and it feels so clinical, but to put

1287
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: on my calendar to not work.

1288
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what that's what you need. And I

1289
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: and I get empathized. I mean, you're you're undoubtedly your

1290
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: input size is so heavy.

1291
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't talk about me. That's just an example of

1292
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: of you as well. Like when did how did you

1293
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: start to park? How did you you have a kid? Okay,

1294
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: it was it? It was it natural?

1295
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: No no no no no it's not it's not natural.

1296
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: I I uh, we we still work on this. I

1297
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: mean there are still in a calendar right now. If

1298
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: you look at me, there's going to be things every

1299
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: day that say deep work, ast McBride, deep work, I

1300
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: mean intentionality within the workday, even for that, because again,

1301
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: you know you're just getting incoming missiles, you know.

1302
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I won't look at my email. I can't.

1303
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: I can't have text and email and slack and it's

1304
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: you could really feel busy and you can really feel productive,

1305
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: but you're not, at least in my position, because what

1306
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: I am tasked to do, the way I'm built is

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Speaker 1: it is in that deep work. All the big things,

1308
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: all the big ideas, all the fundamental things that unlocked

1309
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: things we're never doing emails.

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Speaker 2: Has been a dad maybe a better manager has been

1311
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: a day Oh for sure, for sure. I mean you're managing,

1312
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: but you have to live with those. Yeah those are yeah, yeah,

1313
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: those are yeah.

1314
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: But also I.

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01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: Think there's just a huge dose of grounding regrounding. You know,

1316
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: we live in a weird bubble of celebrity and not

1317
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: real stuff, and and our kids do too, you know,

1318
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: to be fair, but they at least they don't know

1319
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: it yet, you know, or they come to know it,

1320
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: but but they're way more grounded in things that Like

1321
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: I remember, uh, we moved and I was looking around,

1322
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's boxes everywhere and stuff like that.

1323
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: It's going I don't you know, I'm complaining. I don't

1324
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: know where this is. I don't know where that is.

1325
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 3: And my daughter said, you.

1326
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: Know where I am and I was like, oh, yeah,

1327
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there's that.

1328
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: I have like three more questions for you. So for example,

1329
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: the Heart and Soul with Eric and the photography in

1330
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: the art, you know that's you did somebody else do

1331
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: it and go like and this is how I see it,

1332
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 2: and then you did it.

1333
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: I do it first.

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01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: So this is what the way it's worth for me

1335
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: is I photography has been something that there were a

1336
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: couple of things that.

1337
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: Got me there.

1338
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: One, I don't like to be idle, so if I'm

1339
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: in the studio. It was something that I could do

1340
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: early on Nickel Creek Day, really early on just going

1341
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: I can contribute to this by you know, documenting some

1342
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: of this has it.

1343
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: Become a little more intentional.

1344
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: It dawned on me at some point that a picture

1345
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: is worth a thousand words, and I know the thousand words,

1346
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there telling this photographer of the thousand

1347
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: words so they.

1348
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: Can kind of shoot it.

1349
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: And it just became easier for me to go, I

1350
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: am going to shoot this what I think. This is

1351
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: where we are, and if it's not good, someone else

1352
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: can redo it. But let me get it knocked up

1353
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: where it is very concrete and easy to communicate, you know,

1354
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's really interesting or easy to

1355
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: see it through the Eric covers in the sense of,

1356
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, I shot the Chief cover and that cover was.

1357
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 3: You know, famously. You know, this sucks.

1358
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: We can't do you can't have sunglasses on a on

1359
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: a record cover. It's not a hip hop you know.

1360
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: Country music is the connection in the eyes and all that.

1361
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: But we won that ultimately because that's what was going

1362
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: on on the road. So we do this real macro

1363
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of shot of him. And then when it came

1364
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: time to make the Outsiders, it was a study in pluralism.

1365
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: For me, I was like, we don't want to do

1366
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: chief again if at some point a character becomes a character,

1367
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you go after it too much. So

1368
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I like I wanted and he wrote Outsiders. I'm like,

1369
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: I want to do this and everything in pluralism. So

1370
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: that whole session, it's the bands on the cover, there's

1371
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: hands in photographs, he doesn't have any pictures with him alone.

1372
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: It's all that's all plural And then mister misunderstood went

1373
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: to a third person. We zoomed in on one of

1374
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: those outsiders, and so you can go through the covers

1375
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: and I have I have the concept behind all of

1376
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: every single thing that I ended up shooting in photographs.

1377
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: There before the photos every time saying I'm going to

1378
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: knock this up and if you don't like it, then

1379
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: we will go get a professional to do it.

1380
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: But just oftentimes they they do like it.

1381
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: Some of my favorite work Eaters is the clapping and skeletons,

1382
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: such a good brothers Osbourne. The first time I heard it,

1383
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: I was like, that's good.

1384
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: My wife will never let me go.

1385
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: I get these little checks for like fifteen cents, so

1386
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: I've clapped out in black keys, I've clapped.

1387
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of clapping. So I get these

1388
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: like random checks in the mail.

1389
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: And she got me gloves one time and said this

1390
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: for the first Yeah, that's funny.

1391
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they never let me live it down at home.

1392
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: One other final thing that it's a question, but it's

1393
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: mostly you're not going to say it about yourself, so

1394
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: I will. And I've only been able to learn like

1395
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: the different fibers because again, you work with somebody that

1396
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm so close to, and you know, Brett Harley toured

1397
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: last year at all just was like I'm taking the

1398
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: time off, get him a head straight, figuring out who

1399
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: I am. He didn't do any shows he did, like

1400
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: unless it was committed to the year before he did

1401
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: until the Christmas shows. You're his manager, and you know

1402
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: how you make money. He makes money, he makes money.

1403
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: You take your part of his money, and that's how

1404
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: you make your money. Right, collectively, you decided he wasn't

1405
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't gonna do any shows. So just looking at

1406
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: the bottom line there, you cost yourself a bunch of money. Now,

1407
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 2: not just looking at the bottom line, why and why

1408
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: would you do that? Why would you guys come to

1409
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: that that solution there?

1410
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's I will always do It's better for

1411
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: the human being always. And there was an anecdotally. I

1412
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: had a guy that I had an office in Marathon

1413
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: Village for like a year before Marathon Village was a

1414
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: train wreck.

1415
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 3: Lights were getting shut off all the time. There was

1416
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: this guy.

1417
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was homeless, I don't know

1418
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: what he comes through. He asked for work and he

1419
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: said something to me one day. I said, I don't

1420
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: have any money. He was like, can I clean up

1421
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: around here? I don't know have any money. He goes,

1422
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't want your money right now. I want your

1423
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: money from now on. And I was like, I'm taking that,

1424
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: you know. And again to the sustainability, it's like, do

1425
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: by the person, do right by the art, the money

1426
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: will come. It's back to that thing about the naivete

1427
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: and and Nickel Creek and all that stuff.

1428
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: From the beginning.

1429
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: Man, I came from a dirt road I didn't have anything.

1430
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm playing with house money. My life is stupid,

1431
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, so the least I can do is do

1432
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: the right thing when given the opportunity financially, When it

1433
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: comes to that, always it just doesn't enter my mind.

1434
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: The reason I share that story to end this, I

1435
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: wanted people to hear something tangible that instead of me

1436
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: just going like, you're cool, you care you that was

1437
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: a real decision you had to make for the long

1438
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: term right relationship, health, create creativity, and it costs you

1439
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: a little money. It did. You weren't just chasing the dollar,

1440
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: but we were chasing like how do we how do

1441
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: we get happier? Therefore, how do we be better? Right?

1442
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: And I was able to see that firsthand, and I

1443
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: wanted to end on that so people just didn't think

1444
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, giving you massage of the

1445
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: whole show. Well, I'm a big fan, even if I

1446
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: didn't know you personally. Like what you've been able to

1447
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: do in the amount of times you've been able to

1448
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: do it. You haven't just caught lightning in a bottle

1449
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: once or twice. You've been able to actually figure out

1450
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: how to produce this lightning and how to put it

1451
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: in a quality bottle and get it to the right people,

1452
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: and sometimes the shipping takes a little longer. But that's

1453
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: that's heck of lightning that you're able to put in

1454
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: that bottle. So yeah, really cool.

1455
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: Well, thank you man, it means a lot. I mean,

1456
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm honored to be.

1457
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: Here and thank you for coming. I did not think

1458
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: you were coming. I told Mike, there is no I said.

1459
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: If I called John, it was like, hey, I want

1460
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: to come over to the office and hang out for

1461
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 2: an hour. He'd be like, yeah, cool. But if we

1462
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: invite him, he ain't coming. Not to talk on a microphone.

1463
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 3: I know it is weird.

1464
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: I will tell you, and I don't know if I've

1465
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: ever done it, because we've I mean, we were just

1466
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter when we're We were together pretty recently

1467
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: and we could have. I've felt we could don that

1468
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 2: twenty times before you said yes to this. So thank

1469
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: you very much. We really appreciate it. It's because of you, man,

1470
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so thank you. Yeah. Support John's artist,

1471
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: or as people call him, pets about it. I mean,

1472
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: I don't call him pets. Sometimes they're like peetz. I

1473
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: feel it doesn't matter. I'll talk about John Pete's follow

1474
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: Q Prime South on Instagram'd be good. And we told

1475
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: you a lot of We talked a lot about your

1476
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: company before you came in. And thank you for the time.

1477
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

1478
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production