1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: This is Teddy Teapot with Teddy Mellencab. Hi you guys, 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: welcome back to Teddy Teapot. I am so excited to 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: be hosting with one of my besties, Matt, And I 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: asked him, Um, how would you like me to introduce you? Um? 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: And he said, not only as your bestie, but also 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: screenwriter extraordinaire and the next Gary Jeannette. I'm dead, Matt, 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, hell up. Oh. People often say that to me, 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and the first time I heard it was actually when 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: I texted to you. And it's just put it out 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: in the universe. Let's put it on our vision boards. Um, 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: it could happen, It could happen here. Listen to this right. Well, 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: we'll send him this episode for sure, so he knows 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: we are his big his fans. Um. So this week 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: we are going to be digging into fake Famous, Brittany, 15 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: Hillary versus Hilaria, all of the things. Um. First, we're 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: gonna bring on Annabelle Dunne and Nick Bilton, who did 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: Fake Famous. Annabelle is an Emmy nominated documentary film producer 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: who works in partnership with Graydon Carter, who I went 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: to his wedding by the way and Nick Bilton is 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: a special correspondent for Vanity Fair, where he writes about technology, politics, 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: business and culture. Can you manufacture an influencer? All the things? 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: So my first question for you guys is how did 23 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: you come up with this idea? I'll start with that. So, I, um, 24 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: I was working at Vanity Fair and Graydon Carter was 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: my editor at the time, and Graydon and Annabelle have 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: worked on films before together, and uh, and Graydon said, oh, 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: we should do a documentary on influencer culture. And I 28 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: had written about bots a lot on line and I said, oh, 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: I could make an influencer in ten minutes, just kind 30 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: of tongue in cheeking it a little bit. And he said, well, 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: that's our documentary. And that was essentially how it all began. 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, what were you Was your goal beginning going 33 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: into it two show that the world of influencers is 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: more of a of a facade. Was that a goal 35 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: from the very beginning? I mean definitely. I mean I 36 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: think that you know when you there. It was two 37 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: parts of it. The first one was that when you 38 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: look at the research that has been done, you know, 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: we started in the film these longitudinal studies where they 40 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: ask kids, what do you want to be when you 41 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: grow up? Um, you know, forty years ago it was teacher, doctor, lawyer, astronaut. 42 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: Then it became you know, basketball player, actor. In the 43 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties it started to kind of veer a 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: little bit into reality TV stuff. And now seven percent 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: end of kids say they want to be a famous 46 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: influencer more than any other occupation on the planet. In America, 47 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: in China they still want to be astronauts. So they 48 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: haven't completely destroyed over there yet. Um. But so when 49 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: you look at that, it's that's one set of numbers, 50 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: and on on the other side of it, there's another 51 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: set of numbers where when you look at the number 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: of people on Instagram and the number of followers they have. 53 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, I was looking actually last night, Uh, nineteen 54 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: point five percent of all Instagram accounts have over a 55 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers, right, uh seven percent or so or 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: over a million, So you're looking at essentially two hundred 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: and something million people who are considered a famous influencer. 58 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: That numbers just complete nonsense. It's it's impossible for that 59 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: many people. Half of the population of the United States 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: to be influencers, and so something doesn't add up here. Uh, 61 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: And that was essentially what we wanted to kind of 62 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, look at and for some of our listeners, 63 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: what would you say A makes somebody an influencer? There 64 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: are different types of influencers, right, We talked about this 65 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: in the film. There's there's there's micro influencers that have 66 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, five thousand followers, fifteen thousand followers, and then 67 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: they go up to the Kim Kardashian level that have 68 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: you know, two d million. But I think that across 69 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: the board all of them have some fake followers, you know, 70 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: and in many respects millions and millions of them. And 71 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: and and that's essentially what we were showing in the film. 72 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: We we took three people who had no followers whatsoever. 73 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: They had a thousand followers or so, and they, um, 74 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: we showed you know that you can buy them bots, 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: and you can buy them likes, and you can buy 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: them comments, and you can do some fake photos. And 77 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: their lives changed as a result of it. And we 78 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: got Dominique, one of the women in our film. We 79 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: got Hurt of three d and fifty thousand followers and 80 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: and three thousand of them are not real. So I 81 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: have a question on that because I had to stop 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: Dominique a little bit, you know, after I watched the 83 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: documentary as why does when they go deep down all 84 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: the rabbit holes? So what I noticed is that she 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: would have high engagement on likes, but not as many comments. 86 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: So is that a common thing when you have bots? 87 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: Like the bots don't necessarily comment on you. They will, 88 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: they'll like your pictures, but the comments aren't as high 89 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: as that. How you can spot a bot? Well, we 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: Annabelle and I had long, long discussions about how to 91 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: spot a bot? Uh um. I think it's like you 92 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: look when you you buy the followers, right, and you 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: can buy all different levels and kinds, and you can 94 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: buy some that are that are really really engaging and 95 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: they're more expensive, and you can buy some that are 96 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: just really bad followers. Um and um. And I think that, 97 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: but that, but then you have to start buying the 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: likes in the comments, right, And so each time you post, 99 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: you you're you've got to get people fake accounts to 100 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: like your content to make it look like you have 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: So if you have d followers and you only get 102 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, a hundred likes, people are going to think 103 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: something's fishy. So you know, with your account, you'd have 104 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: to make it seem like, oh, I get like ten 105 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: to fifteen thousand likes pro post maybe with the exception 106 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: of some that go higher. And then of course you 107 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: need the comments. And the comments are actually the most 108 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: expensive because it's a little bit more work for the 109 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: for the Boston bot, just somebody run the bots. Like 110 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: the bots just guess on their own what just say. 111 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: I'm confused on how the bots know what to say 112 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: that would make sense. There are three different kinds of 113 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: them that you can use. One is where you say, um, well, 114 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: there's four different kinds. There's one way you say comments 115 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: auto comments on the this person's posts with just emojis, 116 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: and that's like you do that because then you can 117 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: kind of get away with the b s a little bit. Um. 118 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: There's others that say, you know, comment with really with 119 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: with just words and and you know, usually they're like 120 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: simple things like you look amazing or or beautiful post 121 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: or one that was really funny that that Dominique kept 122 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: getting was I love your curly hair even though she 123 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: had straight hair. Sou So, they they're not very smart 124 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: but then you can actually there's the next level where 125 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: you can pay there's this website called um Wolf Global 126 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: where you can pay a little more money and you 127 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: get real people that are commenting on on your posts 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: and um and but it's but you know that it 129 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: adds up. So we we tried to like limit you know, 130 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: we had a certain budget, so we tried to limit 131 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: the number of posts that people commented on. I think 132 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: it helps to if you visualize yourself in the most 133 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: crowded marketplace you've ever been, and you're like in a 134 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: huge bazaar and you're walking through and there's people yelling 135 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: at you, like over here, look at this what I 136 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: have for you? And over here, Like we were just 137 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: trying to show this is such a big economy and 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: there's so many different levels of it and you can 139 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: you can get into whatever level you want. And I 140 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: know that, you know, Nick got ripped off sometime, But 141 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: I think I could say for both of us, like 142 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly the boat dealers were great. I mean, we we 143 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: liked them. They were nice, We were just trying to 144 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: do a business. They were actually like very honest and 145 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: always trying to give deals. Sometimes we got ripped off 146 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: but like Nick spent so much time on these different 147 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: chat rooms with these different people selling boats, none of 148 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: whom we ever met, many of whom were in far 149 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: fune places will never go. But it is a marketplace, 150 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: it's a thriving economy. So we were really just trying 151 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: to show like, there's this whole other level going on 152 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: underneath what you see when you're on Instagram. That is 153 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: this whole other world. What surprised you guys the most 154 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: with making this, Like, were there any big shockers? And 155 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: we were like, oh, this is what we thought. I 156 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: think for me, what was so there was two things 157 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: that were surprising. The first one was I had written 158 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: about bots before. I was a reporter of the New 159 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: York Times for for ten years. I was a Vanity 160 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: for for five years, and I wrote very early on 161 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: in the life cycle of social media, you know, I 162 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: wrote some of the very first stories on and in 163 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: some instances the first stories and some of these companies 164 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: and covered them as they morphed and changed and everything. 165 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: I wrote the book on Twitter and things like that. 166 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: And I had written about bots, and I knew they existed, 167 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: and I'd even like experimented with my own bot farm 168 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: at one point where I had thirty little baby bots 169 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: that I looked after, uhum until Twitter killed them because 170 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: they're not very nice. Um. But I didn't realize just 171 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: how everything is for sale, Like you could literally buy 172 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: anything as far as and what if there was a 173 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: number on the Internet you can purchase that. You can 174 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: purchase yelled reviews, you can purchase you know, listeners on 175 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. You can purchase you know, song downloads 176 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: on iTunes and and Spotify, you can purchase bids on eBay, 177 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: just anything, and and the bots are everywhere and there. 178 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, they are driving political discussions in many respects. 179 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: And and it's one thing to like read about it 180 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: and to see it on the periphery, but to to 181 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: to be up close and in it and realizing that 182 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: these bought dealers are making they call themselves the the 183 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: underbelly of the Internet, the bottom feeders of the Internet, 184 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: and they make tens of millions of dollars on these 185 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: bought farms. And I think it was pretty shocking to 186 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: see that. And the other thing that was really shocking 187 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: to me was I'd assumed, like, okay, like influence the 188 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: culture not a big deal. It's not really harming society 189 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: that much. It's just a bunch of people pulling the 190 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: wool over some brand's eyes. And what I came away 191 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: from at the very end was realizing that influence of 192 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: culture is much worse. It is a culture that is 193 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: designed to make you feel bad about yourself so that you, 194 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: I want to live this person's life. That's not real. Um, 195 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, the only way you're gonna feel better about 196 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: your life is to go on this vacation or buy 197 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: this product that I got for free or whatever it is. 198 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: And I think that there was this huge realization that, like, actually, 199 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: this is making us feel so much worse about ourselves 200 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: than we actually realize. I know Wiley, you know, had 201 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: anxiety over it, but as as a gay guy, I 202 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: kind of I could understand what he was going through 203 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: because with at least for gay influencers, especially male gay influencers, 204 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: it's usually so much about the body. So it does 205 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: it really you know, you're scrolling through and it's just 206 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: all these people who are just projecting what a body 207 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: should look like. And I really do feel like that 208 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: affects people. So I like that you honed in on 209 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: that um to say that, like, how it can affect 210 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: people mentally, just scrolling through Instagram and seeing these people 211 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: giving us a lifestyle that's not real. It's not attainable 212 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: for most of us, and it's not attainable for even them. 213 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: So I like that that was a perspective that you 214 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: were giving the people. It wasn't It wasn't something we 215 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: we I mean when when we sat down when on 216 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: a bell and I sat down and like we were 217 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: thinking about like this film, and we said like, look, 218 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: there's a version of this where this fails dismally, it 219 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: doesn't work, uh, And there's a version of it where 220 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: it works. In the version where it fails, it's it's 221 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: not it's a five minute part of the film. And 222 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: it ended up being the other version where it was 223 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the film. And we were so lucky that I think, 224 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: you know in it when you're when you know and 225 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of it and you're like, should we 226 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: cut this person from the film? They're not. They made 227 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: their account private, like it's all these things, and then um, 228 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: we were really lucky that the three people we we 229 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: chose took three very different routes, uh, and three three 230 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: different stories. How do you go into choosing those three 231 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: because you saw all different types of people with big personalities, 232 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, in the casting room. So how did you 233 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: choose those three? Well, Um, what's funny is we worked 234 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: with a you know, a casting agency to help us. 235 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: We had so many submissions, um, and we needed to 236 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: fit them all into one day. It's it's funny because 237 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: on the one hand you're casting this film, but on 238 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: the other hand, you're documenting the casting. So we couldn't 239 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: have like a week of casting. I couldn't afford to 240 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: shoot every day, so we needed to all condense it 241 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: into one day where we could film this process. So 242 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: I think that you know, Nick can speak to to 243 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: it better. But I think we really connected with each 244 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: of those three kids as they walked in, and they 245 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: were each so much themselves, and they were so on 246 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: kind of l a and they were not polished. I mean, 247 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Dominique was very open about wanting to be an actress, 248 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: but Chris and Wiley worked from other worlds, and we 249 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: really really wanted to to get people that had absolutely 250 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: no kind of experience in this world and would just 251 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: let us throw them in. And also like they all 252 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: were very understanding about the long game, and none of 253 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: them had set out wanting to be influencers, at least initially, 254 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I think it was. What was really interesting is, you know, 255 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: we got we put out a casting call. We said 256 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: do you want to be famous? That was the only 257 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: thing we asked. We didn't say anything else. And we 258 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: got five thousands submissions, like almost like a bomb went off, 259 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: um and um, and you know, narrow them down as 260 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: best we could, and we brought them all in the 261 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: room and and it was kind of like that scene 262 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: out of Flash Dance, you know, where she's getting ready 263 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: to dance in front of the judges, and we were 264 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: the judges and we're just filtering people in and we 265 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: kept asking people. We asked him the same questions like 266 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: how many followers you have? Oh, I have three thousand, 267 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: I have this whatever. And we've said do you want 268 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: to be famous? And the the answers were just like 269 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: comical in some respects. They were like, Oh, yes, I 270 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: want to be famous so I can make the world 271 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: a better place. And I want to be famous so 272 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I can influence people and making here and like and 273 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Chris was like, no, I don't want to be famous. 274 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: And I remember like everyone looking up being like what 275 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: is he doing? Here, and he goes, I deserve to 276 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: be famous, and I was like, oh, that guy is 277 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: definitely going to be part of the uh and so um. 278 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: But we also, you know, we we we narrowed it 279 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: down to around twenty people and uh that all would 280 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: have been amazing in their own right, but we wanted 281 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: to really ensure that we didn't pick like there was 282 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: a basketball player who played for the Harlem globetrots, Like, 283 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: we didn't want to pick that guy because it's like, 284 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: people probably be too easy. It's not it's not an 285 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: experiment when the person already has a following. And so 286 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: that was that was really an important prerequisite. I mean, 287 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: I think the craziest thing to me is you can 288 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: essentially be famous without having a certain talent or you know, 289 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: even even for when it comes to myself, not that 290 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm famous or whatever it may be, but I wanted 291 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: to be an actor as a kid, Like growing up, 292 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: I thought I wanted to be an actor. I got 293 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: a couple of big rejections and I was like, well, 294 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm done, you know, like I'm not doing this anymore. 295 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good. I don't enjoy it. Cut to 296 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm you know, thirty seven years old on a reality 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: television show, like all right, let's go for it, let's 298 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: figure it out, and putting myself, you know, on Instagram, 299 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: trying to be as authentic as I possibly can. But 300 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: like that also comes with a whole other set of responsibility, 301 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: a whole other set of like you have to really 302 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: grow almost a thicker skin than you'd have by going 303 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: to auditions for you know, an actual talent, because people 304 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: just uh feel so comfortable over a like over a 305 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: screen or a keyboard to just attack in any possible 306 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: way that they can. Oh, I think that this is 307 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, look, there are tremendous downsides to the world 308 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: we live in today with technology. There's upsides, but there's 309 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: there's there's tremendous downside. And I think that you know, 310 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: they're they're On the one hand, you've got what you 311 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: what Matt was mentioning with, you know, Wiley and the 312 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: anxieties and depression and things that he went through, and 313 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: and teens today going through that everywhere all the time. 314 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: You know, um, look at the graphs or the rise 315 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: of social media, and the same graphs are there for 316 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: the rise of teen depression, teen suicide, team bullying, all 317 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: these things. I mean, look, we all here are have 318 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: dealt with that anxiety and that intensity and that bullying, 319 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: and we're adults. Can you imagine where it's like for teens. 320 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: I can't even comprehend what it's like. And I think 321 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: the thing that's so frustrating to me is in all 322 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: these instances, whether it's like someone going after you on 323 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: on social media, or or the fact that you know, 324 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: everyone is obsessed with how many comments and likes and 325 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: followers and this, that and the other, the responsibility is 326 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: on the tech companies, and the tech companies truly have 327 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: zero intention upon fixing this because if they fixed it, 328 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: they use, the numbers would go down. And if they 329 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: use the numbers go down, their stock goes down, and 330 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: then they don't make as much money, and that is 331 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: all they care about at the end of the day. Well, 332 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: there was that moment Instagram was debating, right taking away 333 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: so that you could see the like. So it's funny 334 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: you bring it up. They were debating taking away likes, 335 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: not because they wanted to help society and be better 336 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: people and help that little old lady across the street. 337 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: The reason they were doing it was because they were 338 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: serving up more ads on the platform. So most people 339 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: will go on Instagram and they'll scroll through ten photos, right, 340 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: and then they get bored and off they go for 341 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: five minutes before they come back and do it again. 342 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: So when they started to implement more ads, you would 343 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: see seven photos and three ads, and you're obviously not 344 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: going to like the ads as much. And so people 345 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashian were complaining that their likes were going down, 346 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: and so they implemented this like, oh, we won't show 347 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: you the number of likes, um, pretending that they really cared, 348 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: but really it was just another way for them to 349 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: make more money. That's interesting and I and I know 350 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: that we have to like break in two minutes, but 351 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: I have one question to kind of close out. How 352 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: do we protect our kids people coming up in this 353 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: world from this? Like how do you open that conversation 354 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: with your kids? As I started getting into the all 355 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: to social media are learning about influencers are wanting to 356 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: tick talk like what do you how would you recommend 357 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: us doing that? Well? I think you know that was 358 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: our montage at the end, to showing all those little kids. Um, 359 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that you know, we know we did not 360 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: intend to upset anyone in a direct way. We're not 361 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: trying to make influencers feel bad. We are simply trying 362 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: to open a conversation here and give people a deeper 363 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: understanding of what's going on in this world. And I 364 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: think that's always a good place to start with young 365 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: people is give them a better sense of the big 366 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: picture out there, of what's really going on with their 367 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: favorite so and so's, and you know, just what the 368 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: bigger world is, and give them tools to understand what's 369 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: at play, and that not everything looks ever, you know, 370 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: it looks polished, it's never that way behind. And that's 371 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: not true in life and online. What else, Nick, I 372 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: think that you know, I think that we There's a 373 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: great line from Barton day Thurston, who is a talking 374 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: had in the film, where he says, um, you know, 375 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to most things in life, we protect 376 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: our kids. You know. We don't let them drive until 377 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: they're old enough, we don't let them get alcohol until 378 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: they're old enough. We try to keep them away from guns. 379 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: We we do all these things to protect them. And 380 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to technology and social media, we've left 381 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: them to the wolves. And I think that government it 382 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: moves so slowly. They have no idea what's happening with technology, 383 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: and technology moves so quickly. The traditional gatekeepers just aren't there. 384 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: And I think that that what I realized in the 385 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: film was I had always thought, oh, when when your 386 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: kids are teenagers, you've got to sit them down and 387 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: like explain that that the birds and the bees, and 388 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: also that technology is bad and so social media. And 389 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: I realized making the film that you've got to do 390 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: when they're like three and four years old, like you 391 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: really have to. It's you're teaching them about technology. At 392 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: that age, they're learning about YouTube and phones and screens, 393 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: and I think that that is the age that you 394 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: really have to start to teach kids that that thing 395 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: they're seeing on that device is not necessarily real and 396 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: sometimes can be pretty dangerous. That's really smart. I mean, 397 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: one of the biggest influence their influencers there is like 398 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: ten years old, right, the toy review guy. So it's 399 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: just crazy. But I thank you guys so much for 400 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: coming on and sharing with us. How do people find 401 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: you and find out more information? Well, don't don't bother 402 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: finding us because we don't really use the social media. 403 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: You want to go leave some negative comments which I'm 404 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: not gonna see, but go for it. But uh, um, 405 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: you should watch the film. It's called Fake Famous. It's 406 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: on HBO max Um. You can't miss it. It's against 407 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: a giant pink back wall pink wall. Um And uh yeah, 408 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having us on the show. Next, 409 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: we have the co host of Wonderings podcast series Even 410 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: the Rich, and they did a four part free Britney 411 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: series and you know how I fail. Oh yeah, we all. 412 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: I feel like there's like not enough hours in the 413 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: day to do all of the research that I've tried 414 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: to do within since I've watched the Framing Britney Spears 415 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: doc and you guys have dedicated a lot of time. 416 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: So I figured, Matt and I need to bring guys 417 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: on to help us. We'd love to. I mean, the 418 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: craziest thing kind of watching it to me was definitely 419 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: just all of the things that the press and the 420 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: media brought out of of Brittany and all the harmful 421 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: things that like we did, and we we witnessed, we watched, 422 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: we were a part of, we were rooting on, you know, 423 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: like it's just it's so unsettling to me. Yeah, that 424 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: was truly My first thought was just watching this and 425 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: remembering seeing her in the headlines, like particularly when she 426 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: shaved her head, like that was huge, and I you know, 427 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm buying People magazine. I'm getting caught up in this, 428 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: and it's just like, we are part of the problem. 429 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: The paparazzi don't, get me wrong, very much to blame, 430 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: but we're buying these things, giving them, making the market 431 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: for them, and it's just it's heartbreaking to see what 432 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: was done to her. Yeah, the paparazzi thing, especially the 433 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: paparazzo that they interviewed in the dock. Like at the beginning, 434 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he sees what he did, like 435 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: he's he's remorseful. And then he's like, well, she never 436 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: told us to leave her alone, And the producers like 437 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: what about when she said leave me alone? Like, um 438 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: oh that she just met for like five minutes. I 439 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: was like, what is this guy talking about back tomorrow? 440 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: It's fine. It's like you're literally filming her and she's 441 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: clearly distraught and you're like, she she doesn't really mean it. 442 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: She hasn't told us to go away. It's like, I'm sorry. 443 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: Read the room buddy. Really, I mean it was so 444 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: And then when I saw the part that like the 445 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: money shot, where she's like, you know, upset with the 446 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: umbrella and all the things that you like just left 447 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: Kevin federaline to how she would like wanted to see 448 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: her kids, I was like, this is like devastating the 449 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: fact that all she did was take that umbrella and 450 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: go car shocking. Yes, oh my god, she's stronger than 451 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: I am. Yeah. Well, and you think about like any 452 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: day where you just have had a bad day, which 453 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: everyone has had, and it's like, imagine that like infantism 454 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: Lee multiplied and then you have paparazzis in your face 455 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: and it's like, of course, I mean she's so tame 456 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: compared to what other people would be doing in that situation. Yeah. Yeah, 457 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean if there's some days you wake up and 458 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: you're like, actually, um, you guys did a lot of research, right, 459 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: so you did a deep dive into all of this. 460 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: Was there anything in the New York Times doc that 461 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: you felt they missed or they glazed over or they 462 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: didn't hit on that that the public should be Yeah. Well, 463 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean so with every series we do, we kind 464 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: of go back to the beginning when their children and 465 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: just kind of talk about why they are who they 466 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: are now. And we talked a lot about Jamie and 467 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: his drinking and how he was verbally abusive. He was 468 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: terrible to her and her mom. And when Brittany actually 469 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: made some money, she bought her mom a plot of 470 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: land and was like, you can you can put a 471 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: house on this land. There's no budget, do whatever you want. 472 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: My only request is that you don't put my dad's 473 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: name on it, because he had like started this gym, 474 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: he had filed for bankruptcy, and so like at an 475 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: early age, she was already very leery of her father, 476 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: and I think that was kind of missed in the documentary. 477 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: Just I mean, we all know Jamie's not great, but 478 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: I think we really kind of touched on how not 479 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: great he really is. Yeah, but like even Sam like 480 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: her boyfriend's quote, which was like, I've always wanted nothing 481 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: but the best for my better better half and will 482 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: continue to support her, fallowing her dreams and creating the 483 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: future she wants and deserves. Then he comes back and 484 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: like doubles down like a day later and goes, now, 485 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: it's important for people to understand that I have zero 486 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: respect for someone trying to control our relationship and constantly 487 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: throwing obstacles in our way. Without mincing words, Sam added, 488 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: in my opinion, Jamie is a total dick. Yeah, Sam 489 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: let Fee said that for her current sam her boyfriend 490 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: boy for example. Okay, so, but like my question is, 491 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: how did it get to be her father in the 492 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: first place, Like, why would he ever be the one 493 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: to get her conservativeship? Yeah? Well, I mean, obviously we're 494 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: not anywhere near the sexual situation, but from an outside 495 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: looking in, it just seemed like he is an opportunist. 496 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Like she was clearly clearly going through something and a 497 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: lot of it I think was the result of what 498 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: the media like put her through, and he, I think 499 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: just saw an opportunity of, like, you know, I'm her dad, 500 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: and that in and of itself, just by you know, 501 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: creating a person, you you have this level of like 502 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: expectation of being able to help them and take care 503 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: of them. There's that assumption, and I think he just 504 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: kind of seized it. And I really there was the 505 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: quote in the documentary from one one woman who said, like, 506 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: the only thing she'll say about him is what he said, 507 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: and he was like She's gonna make me rich or something. 508 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: And I just thought that was so telling because it 509 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: really feels like, and you look at like how much 510 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: money he's getting, it doesn't seem like it's about what 511 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: she actually needs and what's good for her. It's about 512 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: how can he leverage himself to get what he wants 513 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: the most. Yeah, But then I also started stalking the 514 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: Loue Taylor situation and Sam Lefty, and now I'm confused 515 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: because not only did this happen with Brittany, then they 516 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: went to work with Courtney or I don't know how 517 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: they both ended up with Courtney Love, but both Lou 518 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: Taylor and Sam Lefty were with Courtney Love and then 519 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: Lou Taylor was also with Lindsay Lohan and then Sam 520 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: Lefty was stalking her, so like, were they a team? 521 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: That's I guess that's a good ary. I mean, we 522 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: never really uncovered that, but I have my own theory. 523 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: I feel like Sam let Fee was kind of seeing 524 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: the things that Jamie was doing, and possibly Lou Taylor 525 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: because we kind of we kind of touched on lu 526 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: Taylor approaching Jamie and saying, you know what, I think 527 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: we should do this conservatorship. And she's the same thing 528 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: with Lindsay Lohan and Courtney Love and I think Sam 529 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: was kind of blowing the whistle on this a little bit, 530 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: and they were like, Nope, let's get a restraining order 531 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: against him. Let's, you know, let's talk about how terrible 532 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: he is. He's hiding Britney's dog, he's controlling her life. 533 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: And part of me wonders if they were just making 534 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: that up to make him look bad because he was 535 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: onto them. But that's well, I felt that way too 536 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: until last night I went onto Courtney loves page and like, 537 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: she has all these lawsuits against him allegedly because he 538 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: was stalking her and doing all these things. So it's like, 539 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: I just it's so convoluted and there's so much going 540 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: on where really you just feel bad that somebody who's 541 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: especially inspired so many artists, who was like the mega 542 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: pop star, like who was just so sweet and kind 543 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: and like you just loved growing up watching her, and 544 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: be involved with so many people that just want to 545 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: take advantage. I mean, who did have been both? Could 546 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: it have been that Sam Lefty and her father kind 547 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: of we're both fighting for control of her and kind 548 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: of manipulating her for their own benefits, right, So maybe 549 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: have been both sides that they were both trying to 550 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: do the same. I mean, I feel like anytime somebody's 551 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: trying to control another person, there's a motive there that's 552 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily about altruism. And I feel like, like like 553 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: what you're saying, where it's you know, maybe he was 554 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: against what Jamie was trying to do, but he for 555 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: sure has his own motivations, and I don't think they're 556 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: pure um. And so I just think it's kind of 557 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: like what you're saying, where the person that's getting screwed 558 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: in all of this over and over and over again 559 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: is Brittany, Right, And you touch on it a little, 560 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: you say, um, when she goes to have Jason be 561 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: the co conservator and you you say, oh, it's just 562 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: another man taking control of this woman's life. Would this 563 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: have happened if it were like would this happen to 564 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: a man? Probably not. I don't think so. I really 565 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: don't think so. So, you know, is there there's some 566 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: sexism definitely that no one really is touched on, you know, right, 567 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean from start to finish it with sexism. I mean, 568 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: they were sexualizing her at seventeen and it was ridiculous. 569 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: It was like a ten year old or whatever. What's 570 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: his name, Ed McMahon. Was it on Star Side, Yeah, 571 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, are you kidding me? Yeah? Child 572 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: was justin timber like talking like it was on the 573 00:30:53,560 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: cover of g Q, correct like loss, like, how does 574 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: that happen? And we haven't seen this happen to a man. 575 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean we got Lindsay Lohan, we got Amanda Bindes. 576 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: We have all these women in conservatorships. I can't think 577 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: of any famous men that are, you know, famously in conservatorships, 578 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: so you know, And we also talk about sam Letfie. 579 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: He used to work for Kevin Federline and he had 580 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: reached out to Brittany's assistant at the time, Kaylee, and 581 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: was like, listen, I have all this all is stirred 582 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: on you meet meet me at this place in Santa 583 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: Monica and he was just like so weird with her 584 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, I know, people are you know, 585 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: your wires are being tapped and all this stuff, and 586 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: she's like what. And then he shows up a couple 587 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: of years later and he's Brittany's whatever manager whatever. He is. 588 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: So it was like a really weird thing from start 589 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: to finish with Sam And then how do you guys 590 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: think that all of a sudden, Kevin Federline like we 591 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: he's done, Like you've barely see him. Like it's impossible 592 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: to almost get information on Kevin Federline, like even his statement, 593 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: which I'm trying to find right now. Federal Lines family 594 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: law attorney Mark Vincent Campbell told me News on Monday 595 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: that Federal Line has no involvement with regard to Brittany 596 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: and her attorneys asking to remove Jamie as conservator and 597 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: a stayed out of the conservativeship issues. But he's never commenting, 598 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: you never see him, Like how is that even possible 599 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: when her life is like she can't have a second 600 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: s break. Yeah, I don't know. I was. I was 601 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: shocked he wasn't even like really mentioned, just like their 602 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: romance was and we actually talk more about him than 603 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: justin on our show and we're kind of like, you know, 604 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: screw this guy, Like he seems so sweet at first, 605 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: and then it was kind of like, okay, he's a 606 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a cloud chaser, but I mean he 607 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: tried to get Jamie taken off because of an alleged 608 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: altercation with their son. He apparently got drunk and like 609 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: had an issue with their son, So he did try 610 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: at one point, but he's kind of just faded away now, 611 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: so I don't really know. So, but as Jamie Lynn's 612 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: fears now the conservative, Like I've read that, So if 613 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: she is, why can't they get just a somebody that's 614 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: not related to her? I know that. I mean that 615 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: seems like it would make the most sense, given how 616 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: convoluted this whole thing has become, Like get an uninvolved 617 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: third party, completely neutral to oversee this and actually assess 618 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: like is this actually necessary? But they just keep keeping 619 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: it in the family. Yeah. I mean she did recently 620 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: get Best Summer Trust to be co conservator, which is 621 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: a good step definitely, So you know that is kind 622 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: of an outsider that's not related to her, knows her personally, 623 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,719 Speaker 1: but Jamie's still there. So it's like, how much can 624 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: they really do with him still involved? It's so telling that, um, 625 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: like he yeah so, but he's still in charge of 626 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: her finances. Like it's just like how does that not scream? 627 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: Like what his motivation is comes down to money. He 628 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: doesn't care about his daughter he cares about her money? 629 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: And how can somebody that has had a notoriously bad 630 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: relationship with money able to manage billions and millions of dollars? 631 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: Like here's the thing. I pay people to help me 632 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 1: manage my small, little dinky percentage of what Britney Spears makes. 633 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: So if I tried to manage it myself would be 634 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: a hot mess. Express like I barely learned how to 635 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: like bounce and checking account, Like this is a situation 636 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: like how can he? It makes no sense to me. 637 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: What are your guys thoughts on her Instagram? Do you 638 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: think she wants it? Oh my gosh, how much time 639 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: do you have? I mean I would talk about it. 640 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: I did a real deep dive. I was sending a 641 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: Retia screenshot doom in like zooming in her eyes, Like 642 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: I went deep, And I don't think she runs it, 643 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: and like we talked about and even recently she does 644 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: these videos where she's like here's the top five questions 645 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: people are asking in the comments, like what's my favorite 646 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: Disney movie? No, one's color that I checked. I looked 647 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: through all of the questions. I didn't see him. No, 648 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Here's the thing that I I 649 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: in my deep dive. I found so in that yellow. Um, 650 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: she's in the yellow and she's saying, what's my favorite 651 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: Disney movie? Yes, they people are saying it was a 652 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 1: response to her sister talking about her in the press, 653 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: because she says her favorite Disney movie is Frozen and 654 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: the one sister goes to live in a castle to 655 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: get away from it all. And then her brother did 656 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: an interview where he said that Britney was such a 657 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: terrible driver, and that's you know, she doesn't matter about 658 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: her not being allowed to drive because she's so terrible. 659 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: And in that same clip, she says something about they 660 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: asked her about driving or whatever, and she goes, I've 661 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: only had one speeding ticket. So people are saying that 662 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: she's kind of doing that's interesting recalliations to what people 663 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: are saying about her in the news. Well even but 664 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: even when she posted the other day, like after her 665 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: m after the documentary came out, she posted, I can't 666 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: believe this performance of Toxic is three from three years ago. 667 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: I'll always love being on stage, but I'm taking the 668 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: time to learn and be a normal person. I love 669 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: simply enjoying the basics of everyday life. So is she 670 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: trying to justify I don't under That's where it doesn't 671 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: make sense to me that I don't I know, I 672 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think so, I mean, there's no way. 673 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: Allegedly she's said that she refuses to go on tour 674 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: or make new music as long as her father is 675 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: a part of her conservative correct Yes, and I mean 676 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 1: what she was supposed to make that announcement in Vegas, Yeah, 677 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: very much. It's it's one of those things where it's like, fine, 678 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: you're controlling every part about me. You can't physically control 679 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: me from not doing this, and I'm not going to 680 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: do it. So she walked right away. I love that. Yeah. 681 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: But then if they're controlling the Instagram, they're saying what 682 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: she has to say, what she has to do. I'm 683 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: surprised that they're not going in there curating some perfectly 684 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: fake image. Yeah, that's what's surprising to me. Or or 685 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: even when she was younger, and or when she had 686 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: just had her kids and she remember she got in 687 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: trouble for having her her son on her lap driving. Um, 688 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: she knew she was going to be doing press about that. 689 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: You would have thought that her people could have protected her, 690 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: And not that this would have made it go away 691 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but they could have given her 692 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: some sort of response, like paparazzi were stalking us, the 693 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: baby was on my lap for two seconds so that 694 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: I could get away, and you know whatever. It maybe 695 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: not that that's an excuse, but that's what was actually happening. 696 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: But instead they prepped her with when I was little 697 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: in Louisiana, my dad like had me on his left, 698 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, like all of those things, like you have 699 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: a mega personnel, like a huge pop star on your 700 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: hand that's doing these huge press interviews. Why aren't you 701 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: Why are you helping her along the way? Yeah, nobody, 702 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: And we say this on our show, like nobody was 703 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: really protecting her. Actually I saw something online. I don't 704 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: know how true this is, but when she was shaving 705 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: her head and she was getting the tattoo that night, 706 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: someone said that the reason that paparazzi were able to 707 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: get that photo those photos is because her security guards 708 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: were like holding the blinds open. So it's like, if 709 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: that's true, that's really terrible, Like not even the people 710 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: paid to protect her are protecting her. So do you 711 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: think because they're trying to get the money from the paparazzi, 712 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: like the security guards are paid off or they're all 713 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: this is all a ploy to get the conservatorship. Maybe, 714 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe how deep does it go? Who knows? 715 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: You know, you guys mentioned Um on your podcast that 716 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: Lynn when she came over to Britney's house at one point, 717 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Um she clocked Britney talking like in a high pitched 718 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: little girl voice, which is kind of and she said 719 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: maybe it was because she was drugged like the movie. 720 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what Britney's voice is like when 721 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: she does her Instagram videos now right like she kind 722 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: of has this like high pitched, almost like little girl voice. 723 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: I just thought it was a weird kind of parallel 724 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: that it hit me in my head listening when you 725 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: guys were talking about it, like, oh, that's kind of 726 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: what she sounds like right now. It doesn't sound like her. 727 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: So I went back to like post from like three 728 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: years ago because I have way too much time on 729 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: my hands, and you can even even back then, I mean, 730 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: she was still in the conservatorship and things were kind 731 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: of weird. But even then, her voice is different and 732 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: she's different even three years ago so it's weird to 733 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: see the comparison to her posts. Now it just doesn't 734 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: seem it doesn't seem like her at all, not even 735 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, I don't think anybody you 736 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: know is holding up her phone recording her Instagram story 737 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: with a gun to her being like you have to 738 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: say X, Y and Z. But I get the feeling 739 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: that everything she wants the post has to be approved, 740 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: and basically the only things that people are letting her 741 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: posts are these like very very like fluff pieces of 742 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: dancing in her living room and pointing out where the 743 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: remote control is in her for her TV things like that, 744 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: which is super innocuous and not going to raise any 745 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: kind of feathers, and it's giving the illusion that she's 746 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,479 Speaker 1: got controlled. But I really don't think she does. Right there. 747 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: One of the things that her fans I saw were 748 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: clocking was in one of a recent video from the 749 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: past few weeks, Brittany says, I heard you guys really 750 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 1: liked when I did this, and her fans are like, okay, 751 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: so who told. Evidently the person's actually running your Instagram. 752 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: So they were like, she's saying this on perpect like 753 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: is that language purpose? So I would like tell everybody. 754 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: But then if you're in a relationship with Brittany, like, okay, 755 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: so for example, restaurants are opened up here. If she 756 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: wanted to go out to dinner tonight with Sam, is 757 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: she able to not? As we understand it, she has 758 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: to get permission. Yeah, I mean, she couldn't be on vacation. 759 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean at one point, I remember I don't know 760 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: if this actually ended up in the um in an episode, 761 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: but we talked about how she had to like clear 762 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: what she was getting on room service. So it's like, 763 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: so I don't like, if she's going to a restaurant, 764 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: she's gotten permission to do that. Yeah, I don't know. 765 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: Do you guys know Heather mccan, she's a comedian. She's 766 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: absolutely hilarious. She has a whole thing on Instagram about Brittany, 767 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: and she she was like, any fans that had gone 768 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: to a show, reach out to me and tell me 769 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: what that was like. And somebody that worked a plan 770 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: in Hollywood was like, she would call down to order 771 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: lunch and we had to literally just approve her food 772 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: with her dad, And I'm like, like, she can't even 773 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: order a salad without approval from her dad, and like 774 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: some fans were like she just seemed very uncomfortable. She 775 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to be there at the meet and greet. 776 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: And I mean I had the same experience in Vegas 777 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: that I was like with a company thing and they 778 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: did like a meet and grete after, and it's like 779 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: she is completely controsed. It's it's not like I've been 780 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: to a bunch of meet and grades where like, you know, 781 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: you can tell sometimes when the artist is like, oh, 782 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: I just did a huge show and now I have 783 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: to like go shake a million people's hands, which would 784 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: never happen these days. But like it wasn't even that 785 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: she didn't seem upset that she had to do it. 786 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: She just didn't seem there. Yeah, she just seemed like 787 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: she was going through the motions and it was like 788 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: really sad and hard to watch. And especially because like 789 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: I remember when I think I was like in eighth 790 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: grade and we went to Disney and she was the performer. 791 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: It was like grand night from eighth grade or whatever 792 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: did and like she would have as everybody backstage. It 793 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: was so like she was just like the life of 794 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: the party. It's so kind and wanting to give advice, 795 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: and like all these kids and like that, really you 796 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: could feel the life in her, excited to share her 797 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: journey with others and that he's gone. Even in the 798 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: interviews in the documentary, like the ones are only on, 799 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: she's just having fun and she's like laughing and she 800 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: brushes off the dumb comments about her boobs and like 801 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: her virginity and all that stuff too now or like 802 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: even the later interviews and she's just you can just 803 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: she's just broken. You can just see it. It's really sad. 804 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: That scene in the restaurant when she's like she goes 805 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: into the restaurant and just I mean, it's like I 806 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: back when we could go into restaurants. Imagine like imagine 807 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: you're you just you just want to go to a restaurant. 808 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: You might not be having a day. You want to 809 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: eat good food and you've got thirty cameras just in 810 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: your face, and I just my heart broke for her. 811 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: That was it was hard to watch. And she don't 812 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: even want to eat in front of a boyfriend at first, 813 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: let alone. Well also there was like, um on, I 814 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: watched a clip on Watch What Happens Live about Zoe Saldana. 815 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: Somebody had called in and said, um, you know what, 816 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: I forget what the actual question was that they asked her, 817 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: but it was something negative about Brittany, like and it 818 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: was always response was like so elegant. She's like, you know, 819 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: I think what you said is actually mean. Brittany was 820 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 1: the first pop star that rose like she was able 821 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: to rise without putting other people down. She never had feuds, 822 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: she never put anybody down, like she is an inspiration 823 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: that like we created all of this for her, good 824 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: for Zoe Ya, Like, I spot what. I forget what 825 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: the actual question was, but it was like super shady 826 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: and but it was definitely a different time where anything 827 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 1: could be asked to anybody, especially a seventeen year old kid. Yeah, 828 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: it's gross. We know why it took Lynn so long 829 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: to get involved. I don't know. I still wonder why 830 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 1: Lens not more involved, Like she seems to care from 831 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: I mean, she's scared to Jamie. Yeah, it wouldn't I 832 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: would think about it. It's you know, if her daughter's 833 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: one request after buying the house was that, you know, 834 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: my dad can't live there. You must not. It can't 835 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: be a good situation, right, And that was years ago. Yeah, yeah, 836 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: I know they were on okay terms for a while, 837 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: like they both show up at her house. We talked 838 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: about that on the show, and then I don't know. 839 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: I think she probably sees him for who he is, 840 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: and she probably and like Jamie Lynn, her sister, doesn't 841 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: really say anything either, Like she'll comment like hearts and 842 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: roses on her Instagram, but like why aren't you at 843 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: her gate with like a cape and night goggles, like 844 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: trying to get her, Like what are you doing? What 845 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: what happens next? You guys think? I saw on like 846 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: the free Brittany Instagram that she may be coming up 847 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: with her own documentary to tell her own story, and 848 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: that's allegedly what's going to happen next, But like what 849 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: do you guys think? Like what's your predicting? It's gonna 850 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: be hard if she does come out with a documentary, 851 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: It's going to be hard to believe it unless it's 852 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: basically her being like this and like I'm free, Like 853 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: I've been let go of this terrible conservatorship because I 854 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: mean it's just everything about her for the last god 855 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: how long has it been now, five ten years has 856 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: been very carefully curated. You say that very carefully curated, 857 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: but then it's not. That's then understand like we say 858 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: carefully curated, because it's controlling, but carefully curated. This when 859 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: you go on like a glossy Instagram and everything's filtered 860 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: and everything is like the same color, they're not Yeah, 861 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: everything's like golden hue, you know, Like but like, I 862 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: don't know, this might be like a conspiracy theorist in me, 863 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: I that I would never believe a glossy instagram like 864 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: me yes, And so it's like I feel like, especially 865 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: like now with all the technology at our fingertips, we 866 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: can truly like create something that isn't true at all 867 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: and make it seem like it's accurate. But it feels 868 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: like it's just it's just this side of like not 869 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: perfect where it's like, hmmm, this could be her, but 870 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: then all of these other things and maybe we're all 871 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: crazy and maybe we truly she actually is fine and 872 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: we're seeing things that aren't there. But it's one of 873 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: those things where it's like we're not hurting anybody, Like 874 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: we're trying to help her if she needs help, and 875 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: if it comes out that she actually never needed help, 876 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: then we're going on our days. But for right now 877 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: I feel like we're helping up. We're giving a voice 878 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,720 Speaker 1: to somebody who doesn't have the voice she deserves. Hyeah. 879 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: And I notice how many celebrities have come forward since 880 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: the documentary supporting her. I mean, Graham, we're talking about 881 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: it right now post documentary, like, what does it take? 882 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, we've known about this for ten years. Yeah, 883 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: I think this is what it takes. I think we're 884 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: getting there. More people talking about it is good, and 885 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 1: like Britney fans and die hearts have been talking about 886 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: it for years, but there's still people that are like, oh, 887 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: you guys are just conspiracy theorists. Just stop, you know. 888 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: But sadly, I think it takes some celebrities and some 889 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 1: people with some followings and the New York Times to say, hey, 890 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: there really is something going on. And even her last trial, 891 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: there was some progress, and you know, the judge didn't 892 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: say Nope, this conservatorship is never ending. She's just said 893 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm not removing Jamie right now. So I think I'm 894 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 1: optimistic that some steps are being made and I mean 895 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: she might get out of it. Yeah. And if you 896 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: look at what conservatorships are traditionally used for, she is 897 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,799 Speaker 1: a grown woman who whether or not she has you know, 898 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: mental illness that needs to be treated, that should not 899 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: be what requires somebody to be under any kind of conservatorship, 900 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: Like so many people out there are fine. And so 901 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where maybe for whatever reason, 902 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: she truly did. You know, we don't know, We don't 903 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: know what her health records are, we don't know what 904 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: went on in that court specifically, But I would be 905 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: hard pressed to believe somebody who you know is in 906 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: is in a full grown adult, functioning adult, needs to 907 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,359 Speaker 1: be controlled in this way. She's not a seven year old, 908 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: So why are we still treating her like one? Well, 909 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: even the lawyer in the film that stepped in for 910 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: a little bit, he was like, she was completely capable 911 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: of having these conversations with she knew answers, she was smart. 912 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: She's right, like, there's absolutely no reason for the level 913 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: of control that's going on. And you guys say it 914 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: in your podcast. I mean they're saying, oh, she's like 915 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: just incapacitated beyond belief. Yet oh wait, she can tour 916 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: her right, Yeah exactly, come on after night. Yeah, it's crazy. 917 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: Can we just ask your favorite Britney song? Oh? Every time, 918 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: every time, it's my favorite one. Every time with Lucky 919 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: is a close second. Oh yes, crap for that, because 920 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: people come on, it's so fun. Those two are on 921 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: our like nineties playlists every time. Or should I go 922 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: somewhere and repeat? Yeah, what's your favorite? I love Lucky 923 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: so much. I think it's such a great song. And 924 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: you know I'm not a girl, You're not one. I've 925 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 1: got to say. I kind of love every Britney. I 926 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: love all the different. Yeah. I don't have a problem 927 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: with any Brittney song. No, he like, even give me more. 928 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: I would like you actually should black out mother. The 929 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: only song she can keep is if you see Gamy 930 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: for me? Yeah? Oh man, I remember I came out. Guys, 931 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: we really we were caught slipping because if we really 932 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: would have thought this through, we all should have come 933 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: in different Brittany errors and dress as Brittany. Now this 934 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,800 Speaker 1: gives us an opportunity to talk about this more and 935 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: we find out more information. Yeah, when her dot comes out, 936 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: we'll I'll dress up for the perfect. I'll give us 937 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: some time. Yeah. Oh my gosh, thank you guys so 938 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: much for joining us. How does everybody find you give 939 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: us the deeds. We are everywhere you listen to podcasts. 940 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: We're doing The Kardashians right now and second episode drops 941 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Any little tidbits you want to leave us 942 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: with about just one line or to draw us in. Well, 943 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: we start off talking about Chris and how she became 944 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: this like master momager and her like childhood. So that's 945 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:58,839 Speaker 1: really interesting a lot about Chris. Yah. Yeah, yeah, Well, 946 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: thank you guys, We pre sate it. Thanks, thanks, all right, 947 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: I know we had to take a little break. Um, 948 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,479 Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk a little Hilaria close out 949 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: and uh, Matt, Like, I don't think I'm even done 950 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,759 Speaker 1: with the Brittany conversation. Like there's so much more I 951 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: need to know, Like, how are we gonna You're gonna 952 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,279 Speaker 1: get so many more texts I listen. But there's one 953 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,879 Speaker 1: other mystery that I just was thinking of. They named 954 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,240 Speaker 1: their first daughter Brittany, but then they named their second 955 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: daughter a combination of the two. Jamie and Lynn named 956 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,839 Speaker 1: their second daughter after both of themselves. It's just it's 957 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: a little weird for me. What do you mean my 958 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: next child is going to be Teddy Edwin? Oh boy, 959 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,439 Speaker 1: I can't with you in the duve like this Lee. 960 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: It's a really great name. Even Katie Perry chose it 961 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: after I didn't. Just saying anyways, I guess we have 962 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: to close out with a little Hilaria conversation. So a 963 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, Hilaria I began trending on Twitter 964 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: as a social media user, and journalist Tracy Morrissey dug 965 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 1: into her past alleging that she fabricated Spanish roots after 966 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,359 Speaker 1: being born and raised in Boston, Massachusetts. So then she 967 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: was like silent on the Graham You didn't hear anything. 968 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: You know, you saw Alec kind of fighting her battles 969 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,800 Speaker 1: a little bit, damning people back whatnot or messaging people 970 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: back allegedly. But then did you see the original apology 971 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,760 Speaker 1: that was posted after a month of learning? They did? Okay, 972 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna read learning. Well, I'm gonna I'm 973 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,360 Speaker 1: just gonna say one thing about this and listen. Everybody 974 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: makes mistake. I get it. I have I live mistakes myself. 975 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: That being said, here's her actual apology. I've spent the 976 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: last month listening, reflecting, and asking myself how I can 977 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,840 Speaker 1: learn and grow. My parents raised my brother and me 978 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 1: with two cultures American and Spanish, and I feel a 979 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: true sense of belonging to both. The way I've spoken 980 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 1: about myself and my deep connection to two cultures could 981 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: have been better explained. I should have been more clear, 982 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. I'm proud of the way I was raised, 983 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,879 Speaker 1: and we're raising our children to share the same love 984 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: and respect for both. Being vulnerable and pushing ourselves to 985 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 1: learn and grow is what we've built our community on, 986 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,240 Speaker 1: and I've hoped that we get back to the supportive 987 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: and kind environment we've built together. Okay, So I understand 988 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,759 Speaker 1: that she is apologetic, she wants things to go back 989 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: to normal. I feel it. The problem is that's not 990 00:54:53,719 --> 00:55:00,880 Speaker 1: actually telling us anything, right, Yeah, I mean it's so hard. 991 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,040 Speaker 1: So as white people, we have a responsibility to kind 992 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:11,880 Speaker 1: of not especially now, we can't appropriate anything right white 993 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: people have. There's a long history of white people taking 994 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: other people's cultures and passing it off as us being original. Right. 995 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: So that's where she should have come out and said, listen, 996 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was raised in Boston. I love this culture, 997 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: and I didn't mean to offend anybody or steal jobs 998 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: from anybody, and this and that, but that's not what 999 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: she's doing. She kind of doubled down on Oh, I 1000 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: this was my culture going up and I own it. 1001 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: So that I think is where the issue lies with 1002 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people, right is. But this statement probably 1003 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: took a month to curate, So why post it and 1004 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 1: then delete it? There was no commenting on it anyway, 1005 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 1: But like, why post it and then delete it if 1006 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: you've already probably worked on it for a very long time. 1007 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: It probably didn't get the reaction that that they were 1008 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: hoping for, right our people were and whoever someone had 1009 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 1: to agree to let her post that. I'm assuming her 1010 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: PR people or her crisis management or whoever was involved 1011 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: said yes, go ahead posted. Well, bad on me because 1012 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,799 Speaker 1: I do you follow not skinny but not fat. So 1013 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,279 Speaker 1: she goes down so many rabbit holes about everything. But 1014 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,319 Speaker 1: she posted. I had seen her post first and I 1015 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: thought it was actually hilarious apology and it's it's actually 1016 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 1: pretty great. Hey, guys, I've been doing a lot of 1017 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,240 Speaker 1: thinking first and foremost, I want to apologize to anyone 1018 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: I've offended with my inauthenticity over the years. I know 1019 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: I have to delve deep and figure out why I 1020 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,439 Speaker 1: felt like the real me wasn't enough why I had 1021 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,880 Speaker 1: to pretend to be someone I am not adapted culture 1022 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: that I simply and truly am not a part of, 1023 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,399 Speaker 1: although I love it very much. I hope you will 1024 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,360 Speaker 1: find it in your heart to forgive me as I 1025 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: try to move forward, work on myself and make up 1026 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 1: for years of taking opportunities away from Ealse Spanish woman 1027 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: who I am, whom I'm admirer, and I was like 1028 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: amazing like that, But but yeah, she's what she should 1029 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 1: have said. It's basically I've appropriated this. It's I'm truly 1030 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 1: like sorry, But I think that's all that needs to 1031 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: be said. I feel like all of that needs to 1032 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:26,360 Speaker 1: be said like this. It's just it's just so hard 1033 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 1: because nobody wants nobody wants any of this, but sometimes 1034 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,360 Speaker 1: it's just so hard to just, I guess, I don't know, 1035 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: take ownership and apologize. But either way, now that it's 1036 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: been deleted, now that there was something posted, it's going 1037 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: to create all of this additional buzz and conversation. Whereas 1038 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, it's just a hot mess. Well, 1039 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, how long did she have it out there? For? 1040 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: Not very long a day? Enough if you put something 1041 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,960 Speaker 1: out there for two hours, like people are going to 1042 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: see it, it's gonna be post. You were able to 1043 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 1: send it to me last night when I couldn't find 1044 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: it right, because it's I mean, the press picked it up. 1045 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 1: That's my point. Where does she go from? Here? Is 1046 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 1: the thing? Like she she has a cushy life, I'm 1047 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: sure as it is. The apology just didn't feel genuine. 1048 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 1: It's not what people needed to hear. And do you 1049 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 1: Obviously she didn't learn her lesson, because look, if you're 1050 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: on it's you're not even it's more than appropriated culture 1051 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,560 Speaker 1: what she did right, because there's her, She's on film 1052 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: saying she doesn't know what a cucumber is, which is like, 1053 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's a little more a lot. Well, 1054 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 1: I I hate that we're out of time because honestly, 1055 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 1: Matt and I, it's it's a situation how much time 1056 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: is spent going back and forth talking about these topics, 1057 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: trying to understand and like we don't even come at 1058 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,640 Speaker 1: it from a place of like we just need to 1059 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,600 Speaker 1: know all the details on everything. I don't know what 1060 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: that is about us, But I am so grateful for you, Matt, 1061 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,680 Speaker 1: that we can do this together. Even though sometimes you've 1062 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: been recommending documentaries to me that you haven't watched yet, 1063 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 1: so I find that a little bit shitty. I was 1064 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: just trying to help you out in your lull of 1065 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,640 Speaker 1: television necessities. Can't say I recommend this and you've never 1066 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,400 Speaker 1: watched it. It's just the rules. The Hotel Cecil documentary 1067 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: is out though. It's very good to all the listeners 1068 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: out there. We started it last night, well I will 1069 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 1: start it tonight, but thanks you guys for joining us. 1070 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: Thanks Matt and you guys. Send in any questions that 1071 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: you have to Teddy Teapot and I'll talk to you soon. 1072 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Subscribe to Teddy Teapot on her radio 1073 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts.