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Speaker 2: Today's episode will contain spoilers. After a short spoiler free

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Speaker 2: review of Superman, there will be spoilers for Superman twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, written and directed by James Gutt. Hello, my

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Speaker 2: name is Jason Sepsion, and on Wednesday night, and welcome

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Speaker 2: back to Answering Visit of the Pogos, where we done

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Speaker 2: dee bits, your favorite shows, movies, comics, a cop culture

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Speaker 3: Of course it's Saturday and today is a Friday, so

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Speaker 3: that means it is another episode of our popcorn pop out.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, guys, it's here bots number of Superman

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Speaker 3: gonna give our spoiler free Superman reactions. Then we are

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Speaker 3: gonna be digging into the movie, talking about what we

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Speaker 3: think about it, how it delivered what we can't wait

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Speaker 3: for in the DCU. And then did you enjoy Joelle's

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Speaker 3: incredible interview with James Gunn, Well, guess what she's back

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Speaker 3: interviewing Lois and Clark themselves. Oh, David corn sweat and

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Speaker 3: Rachel Corners sweating the corner swing, the moment that we

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Speaker 3: was the right Superman for us.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And remember, guys, we're gonna be having more Superman discussions

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Speaker 3: next week. Plus we'll be at SDCC where you can

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Speaker 2: Okay, here are our spoiler free reactions to Superman twenty

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Speaker 1: This movie is so good. It's good. It's really good,

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Speaker 1: like it's good, it's good good movies. It was feeling

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Speaker 1: There's a lot weighing on these.

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Speaker 2: High high bar, I will say for Fantastic fool it's

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Speaker 2: I haven't been really keeping up with the minute to

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Speaker 2: it gave me, like Marvel's The Avengers feelings a.

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Speaker 1: Good movie like that. It is feeling exciting.

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Speaker 3: They're saying, let's see the first movie in James goun

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Speaker 3: It could do more because it currently around eighty five

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Speaker 2: Super producer Boo Esques, does it feel like Iron Man

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Speaker 2: I just thought it was so expertly done. It's just

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Speaker 3: He does, and I think that you make a good point,

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Speaker 1: But it feels like it's going to play through Summa

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Speaker 2: And we're back. Okay, let's now really dig in to

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Speaker 1: Let's mister Terrific first of all, because he's.

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Speaker 2: And I thought mister Terrific had some great examples of this.

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Speaker 1: How did this happen? Why is it like this?

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Speaker 2: that corn, sweat, and gun make it look easy, like

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Speaker 2: how because I think that's again that's it look so

441
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: But it also just struck me watching it that every

442
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: time Superman's on the screen, it's like a full force

443
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: repudiation of the Snyder Verse, and it's depicted of Superman,

444
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: like the way that he is saving literally saving squirrels

445
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: from being crushed during the midst of a Kaiju battle

446
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: and then when the kaiju is killed, and this is

447
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: very so.

448
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: This is so when he's.

449
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: Like when they're fighting the Kaiju and he's like, we

450
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: gotta get it out of here, maybe up to space

451
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: where we can study it.

452
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: And that's Zoo and that just from the inside.

453
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: And he's so upset when it's killed. It just felt

454
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: like a complete repudiation of like specifically like the end

455
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: fight of Man of Steel, which I actually like is

456
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: an action scene, but it always just felt like, there's

457
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: no way Superman is going to let the city get

458
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: wrecked like this without saving people or trying to evacuate

459
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: them to somewhere and there is that is not a

460
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Speaker 2: problem in this way.

461
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say this that this is definitely a

462
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: movie that answers the collateral damage question because then Superman.

463
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: Superman is trying to stop any kind of collateral damage.

464
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 3: We see him, you know, lifting up a building to

465
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Speaker 3: let one.

466
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Speaker 1: Car one yet.

467
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: And I love the kind of implication, Hey, you don't

468
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: need to show him going into every building and saving

469
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: every person, because the implication is there that if this

470
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: man is willing to save a squirrel to always go

471
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: and save every single child, then you know that he

472
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: is doing his best. And it is really quite uplifting

473
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: and hopeful to see a Superman like that and to

474
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: get to kind of explore it in the scope of

475
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: a world where there are clearly other heroes who have

476
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: been established before Superman and they are kind of tired

477
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: of his They're like, well, you don't get to just

478
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: come in and be the new kid suddenly like country

479
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: bump kick pickinning your way about, like oh, don't kill

480
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: the kaiju, like we're here to do a job.

481
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Speaker 1: But he manages to do it in a way that

482
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Speaker 1: is like, you know, not too kind of Pollyanna. Oh

483
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: golly gosh.

484
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: Don though even Cornswet is so good at those moments.

485
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: He says it a lot. I also I love opening.

486
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: After he gets when he gets saved and protected by

487
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: the supermam robots and they kind of light him up

488
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: with the yellow sun and they're like, oh no, but

489
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: you're only eighty percent healed. And he's like gotta get

490
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: back to the fray. And I'm like, oh my god,

491
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: you're such a dog and I love you. Let's go

492
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: to a break and then when we're back, let's talk

493
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: about Crypto.

494
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, am I back? Dogs dog. Let me tell you.

495
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: I thought that this was the perfect amount of crypto

496
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: and then the perfect amount of danger for Crypto. We

497
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: had a Joel and I were talking after the movie

498
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: about like, yeah, I never for a moment was like

499
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: Gun's gonna kill Crypto. It never, but he put him

500
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: in just enough danger that you're like, man, fuck Lex Luthor.

501
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally.

502
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: I had a friend who I made hilariously through listening

503
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: to this pod called Jordan, who was like texted me

504
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: and was like, Hey, when you see the movie, I

505
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: just need to know if the dog dies.

506
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't think it's gonna happen.

507
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: In ironic because with the way that the movie leaves

508
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: off and kind of the big reveal about that, we

509
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: do get to meet Supergirl in this movie, which is

510
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: very fun, and Crypto is her dog, just like in

511
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: the comics. There was in the comic that they are

512
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: adapting as Supergirl, there is a fake out Crypto dies

513
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: moment which is very unpopular, and ironically she brings him

514
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: to heal and I do wonder if this is maybe

515
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: halfway through the Supergirl movie because of that, and she

516
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: comes back, but it's unclear. I'm excited to see where

517
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: that goes. But yes, I was very glad to see

518
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: super Crypto does not get killed.

519
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: He is a good boy bad.

520
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: Just from a just from a movie industry and ganomics perspective,

521
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: you don't kill the dog. That's how your movie bombs.

522
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: That's just forget storytelling. Forget like, you know, the Red

523
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Badge of Courage and Old Yeller and all those cartbreaking

524
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: stories of a dog death, John Wick, etc. You don't

525
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: kill the dog in this kind of movie unless it's

526
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: the third movie.

527
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, then, you know. But also that's why there's

528
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: literally a website called does the Dog Die? Because that

529
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: is how much people you don't do it. You don't

530
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: do it and fantastic. Also crazy that.

531
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: Crypto is essentially almost all CGI.

532
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Looks, really good, looks fantastic.

533
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: You can tell a little bit, you can tell a

534
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: little bit, but it's not too uncanny. Valley Anna, he's

535
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: just so cute, you're always happy to see him. I

536
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: love how badly behaved he is for Clark, and I

537
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: love that in that moment where we get to meet

538
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: Kara for those kind of two minutes and.

539
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: She calls Clock a bitch and she's just.

540
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Like, let me give me a we get to learn

541
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: why Crypto is so crazy. It's because she's just constantly

542
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: rough housing with Crypto, because that's just what the two

543
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: of them do, you know, And yeah, I thought that

544
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: was really fun. Crypto is definitely very toy etic. The

545
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: whole movie is pretty toy etic like they've done. They

546
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: sent me like a crypto drone that you control with

547
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: your hand and it flies above your hand, which is

548
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: really cute. They have like a Kaiju toy where Superman

549
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: can like punch his Tommy.

550
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: So I'm I think Ian, and it's like and.

551
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: The Kaiju toy like spills out, slide out of its

552
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: guts or something. So I think, Ian, you make a

553
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: great point in the chat where you're like, gotta sell

554
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: some toys, and this is definitely a movie where you

555
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: can do that. Mostly interestingly because I think of the

556
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: color palette and the designful. When I smoke to James

557
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: Gunn at the junket for DC, you'll be able to

558
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: see that interview soon.

559
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: He was, I brought up Frank quietly because I just feel.

560
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Like there's so much metamorpho looks, so Frank quietlyish, there's

561
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: all this kind of heavy, intricate design work when Superman's

562
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: face gets fucked up from the Kryptonite. And I brought

563
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: up Frank quietly, and he was like, yeah, well he

564
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: is probably the biggest artistic influence after Segull and Shuster.

565
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: And he was like, and Jamie Grant's colors on All

566
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: Star Superman. Who was the colors? That is really the

567
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: colors that we pulled for the movie, and.

568
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: That is true. I think that's why it's really colorful.

569
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: And shiny and kind of has this almost hyper real,

570
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: like kids playing with toys kind of energy to it,

571
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: and I think that works really well.

572
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about what we think this movie portends

573
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: for the DCU going forward. You mentioned, for instance, that

574
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: we only see Maxwell Lord, the CEO of the Lord

575
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: co Operation who funds the Justice Gang asterisk if it

576
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: seems like that's their real name now after.

577
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: Justice Gang for a while, you know, Justice And even

578
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: that is a funny nod because it's like they don't

579
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: want to be the Justice League. The whole of Justice

580
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: is that like, at some point this must have happened,

581
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: but this is that new, you know, It's.

582
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: So here is my, here's my. Here's one thing I'm

583
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: wondering as a setup coming off of this movie, is

584
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: Maxwell Lord a meta human yet?

585
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: And are the.

586
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Justice Gang like under his mind control at all? Like

587
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: it didn't seem that way, but I wonder, like what

588
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: you make is.

589
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: I think you make a really important point because the

590
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: truth is in all different versions of him.

591
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: He has been kind of, you.

592
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: Know, a super villain who can also sometimes be an ally.

593
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: I would also say I think what we're really seeing

594
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: here is like him putting together the Justice League International,

595
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: which is kind of the big moment from the comics

596
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: where he helps establish them.

597
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested to see I do think.

598
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: That we are gonna see his more maniacal side come out.

599
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: I also will say that with Lex Luthor mentioning that,

600
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: you know, calling Clark like a Martian and Clark being like, well,

601
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: actually I'm a Kryptonian, we can assume that Marsha Manhunna

602
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: is here in this world. Yes, And I am very

603
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: excited to see where we go from here because there

604
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: are moments in here. Like me and one of my

605
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: brilliant editors at IGN Ameilia, Me and her and Joel

606
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: were really vibing on this movie, and she was cracking

607
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: me up, kind of talking about we were trying to

608
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: remember the name of the fictional band that Clark loves.

609
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: They're called the Mighty crab Joys. They're kind of a

610
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: Newfound Glory esque band they play during the credits, and

611
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well I thought they were the

612
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: Fabulous crab Joys, but that doesn't exist. But when it

613
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: was the Mighty crab Joys, they were actually already mentioned

614
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: in Creature Commandos because Frankenstein he wears like a T

615
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: shirt of them, and everyone's always ragging on him how

616
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: they're a bad band.

617
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: So I kind of love that these seeds are already there.

618
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually really just excited to see, like I

619
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: would watch a completely tonally different film or story in this,

620
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: and I think that's what he's done really well. For example,

621
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: we know that in the Green Lantern Show, which will

622
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: star you know, a far more serious version, we have

623
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 3: Aaron Pierre as John Stewart. We have Friday Night Lights

624
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: as Hal Jordan, and it's going to be kind of

625
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: a murder mystery, true Detective inspired show. But Guy Gardiner

626
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: is going to be in that show. So I want

627
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: to s I see the ways that these things kind

628
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: of lean into each other. And I will say another

629
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: question I've been getting a lot is, oh, what about

630
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: hawk Man. You know we get hawk Girl here. I

631
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: want to say, I love Alvis Hodges hawk Man. I

632
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: would love for that to be something they bring back.

633
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be the case here

634
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: obviously Black Adam famous flop, not just that. I think

635
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: what they are setting up here. Something me and Joelle

636
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: have talked about is a John Stewart Hawk girl romance

637
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: and Pierre Isabella Masad. I think there's so many different

638
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: ways that this is going to interact with what we've

639
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: seen in the comics, what we've seen in Justice League Unlimited,

640
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: which is definitely a massive influence on this film, the animation,

641
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: so I'm just really excited to see where this goes.

642
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: I think the tonal shift between creature Commandos, this Peacemaker,

643
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 3: but the way that Gun has so far been managed

644
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: to kind of like meld them all together is really

645
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: impressive to me.

646
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that tone because something that

647
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: a take that I was sharpening while I was watching

648
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: Superman last night and kind of getting blown away by

649
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: it is and TBD maybe Fantastic four is amazing. We

650
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: talked a lot, you know, during the Height of the

651
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: MCU and the Tale of the MCU about how its

652
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: specific tone was like right for that time. I now

653
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: wonder if the more heightened version of Superheroes, where the

654
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: metaphor is, you know, he's an immigrant, but it's not

655
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: like it's not you know, we just saw the the

656
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: latest Captain America movie get riddled with cuts in an

657
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: attempt to make it less like the real world and

658
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: to make the the That's not a problem in this

659
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: movie because the metaphor is so comic booked and heightened,

660
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: but almost more powerful because of that. Like, Yeah, I'm

661
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: sitting there being like, this is the salve, this is

662
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: the bomb that we need right now.

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

664
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Speaker 2: That's how I always belief in like bullshit, like this

665
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: is the exact thing that I needed right now. I

666
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: don't want a reflection of the world necessarily, and I

667
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: and it left me wondering if DC's tone inherent universal

668
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: tone is kind of perfect for is kind of what's

669
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: necessary for a hit superhero movie right now and TBD

670
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: on the box office and all of that. But I

671
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: was really affected by it, and it's it and it's

672
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: a definite and it's definitely like a different tonal approach

673
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: than what you we're used to with the MCU, which

674
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: was great when it was happening, and so I wonder

675
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: if it's I think they might be bias, but I

676
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: don't know.

677
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: I think it could be.

678
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Speaker 3: I also think that the fact that they eschewed any

679
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: kind of Avengerce Phase one style, like we have to

680
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: build this up and try to replicate it, and instead

681
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: went for this kind of old school establishing a world,

682
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: throwing people into it, and trusting.

683
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: The audience shows that we are in a different era.

684
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Speaker 3: And I do think that a struggle that is going

685
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: to come out of Fantastic Four, though obviously we haven't

686
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: seen it, is they are already trying to connect it

687
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: to everything that came before. We know there was the

688
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 3: connection between the Thunderbolts and this. There is a lot

689
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: of baggage and homework there, I would say, and you

690
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: can do homework on Superman because you loved the movie

691
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: and you want to know all these characters, and it's

692
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: not really going to be homework. It's going to be

693
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: a blessing of incredible comic books from some of the

694
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: greatest creators of all time. But you could also just

695
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: watch the movie and enjoy it and you'll probably have

696
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: a great time. And I think that accessibility is going

697
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: to be really appealing. Okay, so something we actually haven't

698
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: even covered, hilariously is this is also a movie that

699
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: deals with super hero romance in a way we haven't

700
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: really seen. You know. Obviously, the MCU has the Captain

701
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: America and his girlfriend and all that origin. The original

702
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: Spider Man's the Samuraimi Spider Mans. So we get a

703
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: kind of modernized situation ship space.

704
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: For Clark and Lois here.

705
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: Rachel Brosnahan as lois bringing that kind of savvy, fierce

706
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: journalistic ethics which I think are established really well in

707
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: kind of the opening apartment scene between her and Clark.

708
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Speaker 1: How did the relationship work for you Bia Cracker scene?

709
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Speaker 2: I mean, the chemistry is so it needs to kill,

710
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: and it kills, Like you believe that they are they're

711
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: in love, but they're deep. They're trying to process that

712
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: truth and to try to reckon with what that means

713
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: considering that he's in super powered alien and she's a

714
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: regular woman, you know, and.

715
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Speaker 1: How do how do we work this?

716
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Speaker 2: It's there's also the aspect of like we're trying to

717
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: hide this from the people we work with. Yeah, no,

718
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: by the you know, like it's very clear.

719
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Speaker 3: How a good question because like you know, the end

720
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Speaker 3: of it does kind of imply that Jimmy is aware

721
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: that she's fucking Jimmy certain, yeah.

722
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And but then does that mean that Jimmy knows

723
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: who Clark is?

724
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.

725
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Speaker 1: I think Lois is the only one who knows Clark

726
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Speaker 1: I is Superman, right.

727
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably And I think that we

728
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Speaker 2: we didn't even talk about the Hypno Glasses, which is

729
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: a wonderful cannon pull, like an older cannon Paul, because.

730
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Speaker 3: There was an interview recently with James Gunn where he

731
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Speaker 3: the in Rolling Stone where the guy mentioned the very

732
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: controversial Hypno Glasses and was like, hey, this was like

733
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Speaker 3: very hated. Are you gonna do this? And James is like, yeah,

734
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Speaker 3: I only know about that because of Tom King. And

735
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: then I watched the movie and I was like, okay,

736
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: so Tom King told you to do this, which is

737
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: legit like one of the most hated cannon choices of

738
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: all time, which I just think is so funny and

739
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: I love it, and I kind of love I love

740
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Speaker 3: that they because originally the Hypno Glasses was like presented

741
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: by a letter writer who was like, hey, guys, I

742
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: got this really good idea end up getting pulled from cannon.

743
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: But I kind of love the way that they were

744
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, that's how it works. That's kind of

745
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: everything about this movie. And I think that for me

746
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: it works the kind of notion of like, hey, this

747
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 3: is just how it is. Can you believe in the world?

748
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: Do you buy it? And if you buy it, then

749
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: you can enjoy it? And I think that's not one

750
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: really fun thing part of.

751
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Why it worked.

752
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, because for me, part of

753
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: why it worked was that I almost didn't need it

754
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: like it was I was. The disbelief was so suspended already, yeah,

755
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: because I was having such a good time that I

756
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: was like.

757
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, Also, I have no I don't give a shit.

758
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: He looks kind of different when he has that funny

759
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: ass hack cut and buy.

760
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: It like everybody's so winning. But when they interu so

761
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: when they introduce it, and they do it in such

762
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: a again a comics canon authentic way where it's just like, yeah,

763
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: the super people know who Zuerman is because they're part

764
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: of the superhero community and they just like the cloth,

765
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: as Guy would say, And when he reveals the hypnoglasses,

766
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay.

767
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: I also love the way I buy it, he says

768
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: to He's She's like, you better stop interviewing yourself, or

769
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: like somebody's gonna catch on.

770
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: And he's like, but what about the glasses?

771
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: And she's like, it's not gonna work for that long,

772
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: my guy, and I love like everyone in the audience

773
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: got to have that laugh. I think for me, that's

774
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: what James Gun can do really well, is he can

775
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: succinctly encapsulate a conversation that the audience will have or

776
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 3: have been having, and make it something where people want

777
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: to talk.

778
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: To your point. He he wrong foots the audience in

779
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: a really smart way, which is he seems to have

780
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: a instinct for when the audience might be about to say, yeah,

781
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: but why don't they recognize him, And before they're able

782
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: to do that, he gives you the answer. So you

783
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: haven't answered, you haven't asked the question yet. And he

784
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: does that in myriad ways throughout the film and just

785
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: freaking they nailed it.

786
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: This was really I really loved it. It's so much fun.

787
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: Before we go into Joelle's fantastic interview, what are you

788
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: most excited for now coming out of this movie?

789
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm just the rest of the dc the DCU. I

790
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: think Supergirl the setup now is fantastic, is going to

791
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: be a very different character than Superman.

792
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: And again.

793
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: Gun's ability to distill the authentic comic book character into

794
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: something that is palatable on a movie like Modern Modern

795
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: It's got the kernel, so funny, what the is and

796
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: so like, I'm really excited for that next movie and

797
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: it has me, you know, absolutely thrilled to see how

798
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: the Justice League will come together, Like, I think that's

799
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: gonna be really cool.

800
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: I'm really excited, ironically because this was I'm not a lot.

801
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't as much of a peace Maker season one

802
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: fan as everyone else, though it's a great show. I

803
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: just wanted to explore different, shocking, shocking, peace Maker shocking me,

804
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: peace make it to I know peace Maker cameo very fun,

805
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: but I I did.

806
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: I loved James Gunn's The Suicide Squad.

807
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: I still think this and Superman and that are probably

808
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: equal for me on my fave James gun movies now.

809
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: But I am interested.

810
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: To see peace Maker season two because I want to

811
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: stay in this world and I think that we are

812
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: going to get more of this world, more of these

813
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: connections in that second season, and I think that is

814
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: going to broaden what peace Maker can do. And I

815
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: also just think that the amount of trust that DC

816
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: has with James Gunn and Peter Saffran and this team

817
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: is so immense, Like people organically freaked out when they

818
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: saw Peacemaker in this movie in a way I have

819
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: any for a long time, same with super Girl, like

820
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: when they were like your cousins here. And I haven't

821
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: been in a movie screen probably since like Multiverse of

822
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: Madness where it really felt like people were kind of

823
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: getting these like, oh wow moments.

824
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see that expand.

825
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: And I'm excited to do a round table with our

826
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: producers because I'm sure everyone's got some hilarious takes.

827
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Before we go to Joel's interview with James Gunn, I

828
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: want to leave us with this thought that I had

829
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: Cleaves Thornway played by Michael Ian Black the kind of

830
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: I guess Fox Newsish host of the Sphere talk show

831
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: cable news program The Interviews Lex, The Interviews Peacemaker and

832
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: various other people. Okay, are you able to discern like

833
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: what his what his broadcast schedule is, because it appears

834
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: like his show is just on at all hours of

835
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: the day and night, like he might do twelve hours

836
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: twelve hour broadcasts.

837
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: Dude, it's every time they cut to the TV.

838
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: Every time he's on like talking to somebody. It's like

839
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: one daytime nighttime.

840
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: Kind of like how it was when Tucker Carlson was

841
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: always online, where it's just like it doesn't matter whether

842
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: it's new or whether it's live.

843
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: He was just always there.

844
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: He's matters really how they feel with this, It's like

845
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.

846
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: He's got a take on it.

847
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: And his line reads were so good, like the way

848
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: that everyone just died when he was Like we had

849
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 3: Lex Luthor on this show many times, but little did

850
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: we know he was a traitor, and everyone in the cinema.

851
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: Was just like fucking screaming with laugh. That's so fun.

852
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna go to a quick break and when

853
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: we come back, our interview with Superman and Lewis themselves.

854
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: Davie Laurence and Rachel Project.

855
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for being here.

856
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 5: I'm so excited to talk to you guys. I loved

857
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 5: this movie, like in a way I was not prepared

858
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: for at all, and I think both of your performances

859
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: had so much to do with that. You know, I

860
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 5: know this is your first like at this level of

861
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 5: genormous franchise that you guys have done, How are you

862
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 5: guys able to help each other as co stars get

863
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 5: through this process.

864
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Speaker 6: That I'm so glad you brought that up, because when

865
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Speaker 6: I think about the beginning of the process, especially sort

866
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Speaker 6: of before we had gotten into pre production costume fittings

867
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Speaker 6: and all that, my first grounding presence was Rachel and

868
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Speaker 6: we had a we not only in the screen test,

869
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Speaker 6: which wasn't so grounding because it was so quick and

870
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Speaker 6: we didn't know where we were, but once we once

871
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 6: we had the roles and and we we got breakfast

872
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 6: in New York, and it was supposed to be sort

873
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: of a you know, a uh, you know, get to

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00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 6: know each other, and we had set aside, you know,

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Speaker 6: breakfast is about an hour, but we ended up talking

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Speaker 6: for about three hours, wow, and just losing track of

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Speaker 6: time and how many breakfasts I had ordered so many?

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Speaker 6: And and we talked a little bit. We talked a

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Speaker 6: lot about the film and what we were getting ready for,

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Speaker 6: but we also just talked about Rachel's had some experience

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Speaker 6: with a with a project that has a lot of

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Speaker 6: attention and has great fans, and so I was asking

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Speaker 6: her some questions about maybe you know, her experience there

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Speaker 6: and what we might have to expect, and that has

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Speaker 6: carried through to this moment where she's my rock and these.

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Speaker 4: Interviews emotional support animal.

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Speaker 6: Well, I said Nick was my emotional support actor Kimmel,

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Speaker 6: so we got to count with something else.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I didn't see your interview that you did with Nick.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about him at all.

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Speaker 5: It was very interview.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we we it's been.

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Speaker 4: This is beyond anything that either of us has experienced,

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Speaker 4: and it's just been I know. I keep turning to

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Speaker 4: you at so many of these premieres and being like,

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Speaker 4: are you seeing this, because it's just it's been the

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Speaker 4: warmest welcome and we feel so lucky. I feel so

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Speaker 4: lucky to be a part of this cast, but also

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Speaker 4: to have you as a we'll come up with another name,

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Speaker 4: as sort of a grounding force and all this. David

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Speaker 4: has this remarkable ability to stand with both feet planted

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Speaker 4: firmly on the ground and shut out all the noise,

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Speaker 4: and it's I think that's the only way to do

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Speaker 4: something like this, and then to be able to be

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Speaker 4: in situations like this one on one and hear and

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Speaker 4: really experience people who have enjoyed this film.

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Speaker 5: I love that your friendship really resonates throughout the film.

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Speaker 6: Oh we're not friends, We're just coworkers.

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Speaker 4: We're just here for each other, but we need to

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Speaker 4: be a breaks.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 5: And I've heard Nick talk about how the cape was

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Speaker 5: such a big part of like transforming into Superman and

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Speaker 5: the way oh and everything, uh dvid And so I

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Speaker 5: wanted to ask you, is there a part of the

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Speaker 5: Lowis Lane costume that helped you feel like you were

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Speaker 5: really stepping into her?

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Speaker 4: It was the necklace.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's nobody's really asked that before. So thank you.

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Speaker 6: You're wearing a necklace.

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Speaker 4: It was not my necklace. Never took it off. There's

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Speaker 4: a necklace that Lois wears and the costume designer, Judiana,

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Speaker 4: and I spent quite a bit of time picking out

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Speaker 4: what was on it, and I'm keeping that to myself.

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Speaker 4: But for me, the necklace kind of pulled it all together.

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Speaker 5: I have to really pay more attention the next time

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Speaker 5: I watched this a really fun detail. I think this

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Speaker 5: movie has the potential to become like one of the

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Speaker 5: iconic Superman movies of the history of Superman. And I

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Speaker 5: was wondering if you guys could tell me what you

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Speaker 5: think about each other's performances, will most stand out? Like,

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Speaker 5: what's most iconic about.

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Speaker 3: What you thought?

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Speaker 6: Well, we have a great out for this question because

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Speaker 6: we haven't seen the film, have seen the premiere, because

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Speaker 6: we want that full experience with the crowd at the

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Speaker 6: premiere in La.

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Speaker 4: Me and Nick and David are going to hold hands

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Speaker 4: and squeeze each other's little FINGI and exciting things happen

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Speaker 4: on screen.

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Speaker 6: I think what stands out about Rachel in what I

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Speaker 6: have seen of her performance, which is most of it

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Speaker 6: in person, is her the way she balances a severe

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Speaker 6: and intimidating intensity for the work, both as an actress

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Speaker 6: and as Lois Lane for her work, and the warmth

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Speaker 6: that radiates underneath that I think keeps Superman in the

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Speaker 6: room maybe a little longer than he should stay in

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Speaker 6: the room, and keeps David the actor feeling supported and

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Speaker 6: taken care of and excited to keep coming to work

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Speaker 6: every day.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the this is obviously you know, he's

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Speaker 4: an alien. Superman is an alien who is curious.

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Speaker 6: About Superman's an alien.

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Speaker 4: Superman is an alien who's and David is a little

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Speaker 4: bit of an alien, but he's curious about and has

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Speaker 4: this great love for humanity. And watching David be able

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Speaker 4: to stay so honest and at the same time show

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Speaker 4: all these different colors of him, which which many of

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Speaker 4: which I don't think have been shown before. To find

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Speaker 4: the humor but from the most grounded place, it all

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Speaker 4: felt rooted in this core belief system, this kind of

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Speaker 4: third character that David so beautifully crafted, This Clark who

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Speaker 4: was raised on the farm by man Pa Kent, for

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Speaker 4: whom both Superman and Clark Kent at the Daily Planet

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Speaker 4: are characters in a way. Watching that third character come

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Speaker 4: to life was really spectacular.

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Speaker 5: And I can't answer my questions which is Superman or Clark?

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Speaker 5: And I love third character. That's perfect.

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Speaker 6: Thank you questions, really appreciate them.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 2: into new that's a new episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and

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Speaker 2: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique.

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Bay Wax.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator,