1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Defense Times two on day two, Welcome Bird Gang. On 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: today's show, Danny Surret Paul Calvc both join me. It's 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: a roundtable discussion as the Cardinals continue to prioritize defense. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: We talk about the selections of cornerback Will Johnson and 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: edge rusher Jordan Birch. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: seventy six, and it starts now. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: Booda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again. 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: Some more hurry magic. 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigdriolo. 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: So anyone know how Petsing might be doing here? On 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: this night two of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Nick Rallis has all the shiny new toys. 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: Petsing might be wondering if you should even show up 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 4: for Day three of the draft, that the Cardinals are 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: just going to keep sticking with defense. 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 5: He should have known this was coming. I'm gonna be 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 5: honest with you. You know what we say last month, do 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 5: you walk into a barbecue joint and order avocado toast? 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 4: I didn't say that last week, was saying that I. 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 6: Did I quick pick. He brought it up. Yeah, had 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 6: a week and a half ago. 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 5: And so you know this this draft is loaded, D line, edge, corner. 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 5: What are the three position groups the Cardinals have targeted 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 5: so far? So you look, Drew Petsing, You got the 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 5: sixth pick overall two years ago, you got the fourth 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 5: pick overall last year. 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: Okay, got the highest paid tight end in NFL history. 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: I got a contract extension last year. 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: I take back my thoughts on that. Yes, Nick Rallis 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: deserves what is happening not only this offseason in free agency, 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: but is what happened so far here through the first 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: two days of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, only 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: two picks, by the way, on Friday a year ago 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: it was five. 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 5: By the way, what'd JG say that Nick Ross gave 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 5: many a bigger hug than JG got when he hired 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 5: Mick Ross. So okay, yeah, look, and we talked about 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 5: this as well. Have we not quality over quantity? 44 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 6: Ay? 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 5: Because you only have six picks only, which is more 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 5: than norm you know, a dozen picks last year led 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 5: the NFL. But at this point you've built out the 48 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 5: roster enough. You've had twenty one draft picks over your 49 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 5: first two years, not including the undrafted guys who made 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 5: the team, Mari de Mercado, Elijah Higgins, you know, Starling Thomas. 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 5: So at this point, you know what. You take a 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 5: swing on a Will Johnson. There might be some risks 53 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 5: in there, but there's certainly a lot of reward if 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 5: he's healthy. I don't know how many corners right now 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 5: have gone before Will J. 56 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 6: Johnson. 57 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 5: Obviously Travis Hunter, although sounds like he's going to be 58 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 5: offense first before defense. You Jday Baron, who who's more 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 5: really of a nickel corner almost like a safety, sort 60 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 5: of center field guy, playmaker. But Will Johnson is Will Johnson, 61 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 5: and he's hundred percent healthy two years from now, might 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 5: be this absolute, no doubt steal the draft. 63 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: All right, since you brought it up and brought up 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: the injury concerns. Will Johnson cornerback out of Michigan the 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: forty seventh overall selection, second round pick, and I'll turn 66 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: it to you, Denny because this is something that you 67 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: had brought up, I believe twenty four hours earlier. Yes, 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: there are injury concerns, not concerns that the Cardinals have 69 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: or concerns that Will has himself, but the fact that 70 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: this is not new for the Arizona Cardinals at a 71 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: position in which maybe you take a chance on a 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: player who might not quite be completely one hundred percent. 73 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: The three year starter did not finish the twenty twenty 74 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: four season because he was dealing with a knee injury, 75 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: and then at some point he tweaked something in his hamstring, 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: so he did not work out at the combine, didn't 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 4: run for his Pro day, So there were questions now 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: the fact that the Cardinals took a chance on Johnson, 79 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 4: who was not happy that he fell to forty seven. 80 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: By the way, he made that very clear on his 81 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: phone call with the GM and head coach. He made 82 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 4: it very clear with the media when he spoke with 83 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: them during his conference call afterwards. Johnson said his knee 84 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: has felt fine for the last two years. The fact 85 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: that the Cardinals took a chance on Johnson tells me 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: they absolutely trust the medicals that their staff did and 87 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: a great example of that is looking at cornerback Garrett Williams. 88 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 4: He entered the draft, he was rehabbing that ACL. He 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 4: didn't play the first half of his rookie season, and 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: the Cardinals took a chance on him day two and 91 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: it ended up being a steel. Pro Football Focus ranked 92 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: Williams as the third best cornerback last season. Wide receiver 93 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: Michael Wilson consistently banged up at Stanford. Took a chance 94 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: on the wide receiver who ended up having a significantly 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 4: better year going into year two and was healthy for 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: almost the entire season. So the Cardinals, whatever they're doing 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: that part of the process, they know that they're able 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: to trust themselves on whether or not it is worth 99 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 4: taking a player. There were a lot of mock drafts 100 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 4: that had Johnson as a first round grade, so the 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: fact that he fell to forty seven says that, Okay, 102 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 4: there were question marks, but if he had that many 103 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: first round grades, you have to believe that he can play. 104 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: And from what we've seen, from what we've heard from 105 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: the head coach, Paul, who has a history of coaching dbs, 106 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: and he had a lot of really good things to 107 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: say about this newest Arizona Cardinal. 108 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 5: No doubt when he's healthy he can really play. I mean, 109 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 5: the latter half of his career at Michigan he had 110 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 5: more pick sixes than touchdown catches allowed. Came out of 111 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: high school, he's a top twenty national recruit, a five star. 112 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 5: Immediately as a difference maker on a team that would 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 5: win the national championship. He was the player of the 114 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: game in the National Championship. I'm guessing, and actually I'm 115 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 5: now kicking myself for not asking this question moments ago 116 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: in the press cards. I meant to ask Manti Asin 117 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 5: for it. What did Will Johnson look like on film 118 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 5: against Marvin Harrison Junior? Because when they were breaking down 119 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior, I'm sure they couldn't help but see 120 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 5: that one on one. So he's gone against the best 121 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 5: of the best in the college game, and he's someone 122 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: who's now ultra motivated. But it sounds like he's particularly 123 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 5: tweaked by the fact that Adam Schefter on Thursday evening 124 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 5: put out put out a tweet that said, a lot 125 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: of teams are concerned about the knee injury, and he 126 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 5: considers that a non issue, at least what he told us. 127 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 5: He said the knee has not been an issue for 128 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 5: quite a time. The other injuries that Danny listed, that's 129 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 5: what's really plagued him recently. 130 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: The hamstring injury that prevented him from participating at the 131 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: Combine or the pro day or an additional pro day 132 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: that he was scheduled as well. But yeah, it's it 133 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: was clear Danny that he mentioned the word frustrating. I 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: think a handful of times because because now, all of 135 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, there is this stigma attached to him that, 136 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: regardless of what happens between now and Week one, is 137 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: going to stick until he steps foot on that football 138 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: field and shows proves everyone wrong, even though in his words, 139 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with him. 140 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: You know what, he'll have a chip on his shoulder 141 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: for the first couple of weeks, and then he'll get 142 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: into the facility and it'll just be about where you 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: ended up and about proving people wrong throughout your career. 144 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: This is someone who called himself a shutdown corner. Johnson 145 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: said he's on a mission to essentially prove people wrong, 146 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: and look, that motivation is there. Reportedly, Johnson requested to 147 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: wear number two at Michigan for extra motivation. Charles Woodson's number. 148 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: A lot of the draft analysts say that Johnson is 149 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: very good in zone coverage. That's where he excels. And 150 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: when you look at the Cardinals defense last season, they 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: had more than four hundred snaps in zone, which is 152 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: roughly three hundred more than when they were in man coverage. Now, 153 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: the Cardinals rank sixteenth in the league for zone coverage there. So, 154 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: if that's what the Cardinals like to play and that's 155 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: what Will Johnson excels at, seems like a perfect fit. 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not your classic press man corner. He's not 157 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 5: Patrick Peterson, although he said he grew up watching Patrick 158 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 5: Peterson highlights and his draft pick was announced by Patrick 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 5: Peterson in Green Bay, so that was really cool. But 160 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: to Danny's point, he's probably a really good fit for 161 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 5: this scheme based on the style of corner he is, 162 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: you know, and look if he's willing and wanting to 163 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 5: wear number two in Michigan history, considering Charles Woodson wore that, 164 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 5: what did the kids say? He wants all that smoke, 165 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 5: And that's a good thing if you're a corner. If 166 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 5: you want all that smoke, guess what you're gonna get 167 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 5: it in the NFL. If you want wide receiver one 168 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: the old gladly assigned him to you. If you can 169 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 5: handle it week in and week out, maybe. 170 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: A stipulation is just garden. Marvin Harrison Junior, Max Meltain, 171 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 4: L Johnson. 172 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that there is a little bit 173 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: of a history off the field between MHJ and Will Johnson. 174 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: They ran into each other as Will was training out 175 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: here in Arizone. Actually golfed at least once. There might 176 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: have been a handful of times, and there was maybe 177 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a I don't know if a 178 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: recruiting pitch would be in order, but Marvin did mention, hey, 179 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: you know what, it would be nice if we got you. 180 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: And I think again it was in the first round, 181 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: not the second round. In fact, Bucky Brooks had Will 182 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Johnson as his second ranked corner behind only Travis Hunter. 183 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: And this is someone that Melchiper Junior had mocked once 184 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: upon a time to the Cardinals with the sixteenth overall pick, 185 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and here you pick up someone at forty seven by 186 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: probably and again not probably. It probably is because of 187 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: the injury concerns, but if it's not a concern, and 188 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: obviously it's not otherwise you don't make the selection or 189 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: you don't say what we heard not only from the player, 190 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: but from the front office as well. Now you come 191 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: in and you look at this cornerback room guys, and 192 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: I guess good problem to have. But Sean Murphy Bunting 193 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: is the veteran in that room. You got Garrett Williams 194 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: in the slot, Max Melton, Starling Thomas, You add will Johnson, 195 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: Elijah Jones a third round pick a year ago. Don't 196 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: quite know what we have in him, plus Key Trell Clark. 197 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to be an interesting competition 198 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: to figure out, right, who are the best three? You're 199 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: gon't need more than three, but who do you start 200 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: week one? 201 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: You know what, though, Craig, is you're not just adding 202 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: bodies to add bodies unnecessarily to these rooms. And the 203 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 4: same argument could be made for a defensive lineman and 204 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: for an edge I mean this is those are some 205 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 4: of the positions that have some of the most depth 206 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: in this draft class. And yes, you have to draft 207 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 4: for need, you also want to take a good player 208 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 4: who's gonna make your team better. And just because you 209 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: feel good about a cornerback situation from this last year 210 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: doesn't mean that would stop you from adding a player 211 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 4: who's gonna take you from good to great. So I 212 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: don't have a problem at all when you're talking about, Okay, 213 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: well you've got a filled up cornerbacks room, you've got 214 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 4: to filled up defensive linemen great with competition, So that 215 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: means that at the end of the day, you're going 216 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 4: to have a very good and formidable group if that's 217 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 4: the type of competition. And it's iron sharpens iron. And 218 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: this is not a situation where the room was already 219 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 4: full and the Cardinals are making a draft pick and 220 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: you're thinking, what on earth are you doing when you 221 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 4: had a B and C as options who are not 222 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: only positions of need, but very good players. That's not 223 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: what this is. 224 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 5: You know what you guys need. You guys need a prediction. 225 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 5: Here we go, No, boy, at the end of camp, 226 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 5: the Cardinals. 227 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: Are going to already talk about, right. 228 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 5: The Cardinals are going to cut a dB and they're 229 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 5: gonna cut someone from the defensive front who immediately gets 230 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: snapped up by another team. That's how deep they are 231 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 5: in both rooms. And you could not have said. 232 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 4: That that be your coldest take yet, Paul, I. 233 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 5: Mean there's going to be a corner, and there's gonna 234 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 5: be someone along that defensive front. I don't know how 235 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 5: many D linemen you're going to keep on this team, 236 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 5: but there's there's This is gonna be musical chairs, and 237 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: someone's gonna be left standing and they're gonna be snapped up. 238 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 5: They will get a job in the NFL because that's 239 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 5: how much better or that's how much deeper this Cardinals 240 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 5: roster is on the defensive side of the ball. 241 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: Okay, that's exactly what the job of the general manager 242 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: is to do. And go back to what you have 243 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: been talking about after that first year from general manager 244 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: to Money Austin Ford when he addressed that first year's 245 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: rookie class, he told them, my job now is to 246 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: find guys to replace you. That's the general manager's job. 247 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: And that is exactly what Money has done now here 248 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: for the first two years and now going into year 249 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: three of the draft. 250 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 5: And every rookie in that room was dead silent and 251 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 5: just slack jaw. You could hear a pin drop reportedly 252 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 5: from what I was told in that room, because they're thinking, oh, yeah, 253 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 5: I made it through my rookie year. This is year 254 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 5: one of a ten year career in the NFL. No, 255 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 5: that's not the way it works. The other thing I 256 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 5: like about that, the depth that is, is think how 257 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 5: much that's going to elevate the level of competition in 258 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 5: the offseason, in camp, in preseason. I would not be 259 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 5: shocked to see all all the rookies playing significantly more 260 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 5: snaps than maybe rookies have in the past, just based 261 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 5: on how things have gone the last couple of years. 262 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 5: Try and get these guys a little more up to speed, 263 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 5: so you know, September doesn't become the new August. He 264 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 5: try and get these guys ramped up. But think of 265 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: how these camp practices are going to go in the 266 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 5: cornerback room, in the d line room, the edge room, 267 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: when guys are realizing, man, they're doing the math. We've 268 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 5: got five spots in this room, and we've got seven 269 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 5: guys who can play. And so I think that's how 270 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 5: guys get better over the course of a camp, especially 271 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 5: some of these young guys, and they elevate their game. 272 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 4: I'm giving you the look, Kraig, it's time to ask 273 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: the question. 274 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a pin on that, Okay for a moment, 275 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: because I know exactly what you want me to ask, 276 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: and I will it's it's it's a good tease. Moving 277 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: forward here, But on the subject of Will Johnson six 278 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: three year starter out of Michigan, we heard Patrick Peterson 279 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: make the official announcement on television. Well how about the 280 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: announcements or the phone call if you will, that we 281 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't get to see until later on Friday, The phone 282 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: call GM Manti Austin Ford picking up the phone and 283 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: calling Will Johnson, Will Michael Pidwell, how are you. 284 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I'm very how you doing. 285 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic. Congratulations. 286 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: We're so excited to make you my part. What's up? Will? 287 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 5: Hey man, we love you to the whole process. 288 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: Come help us win some games. 289 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're gonna get a lot of that, promise you. 290 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 4: Hey, fuddy, we're gonna put We're gonna put your name 291 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 4: in here in a minute. Okay, we're excited to get 292 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: you out here. All right, buddy, you're gonna help us 293 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: win a lot of games. Take the ball away, you 294 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: got it? 295 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: Yea, I'm gonna get that for sure. 296 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Very confident, which is I think what you want in 297 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,479 Speaker 1: a cornerback. As you mentioned, Danny called himself a shutdown 298 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: corner and that's exactly what you hope you drafted, especially 299 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: if he was supposed to be a first round selection, 300 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: and you didn't quite hear the frustration, but the tone 301 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: not only there and then in the conference call where 302 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: he did express frustration because he had to wait all 303 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: day Thursday and then had to wait again until Friday nights. 304 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: And when you hear, hey, you're a first round talent, 305 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: you might be a top ten prospect. Yet here you are. 306 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: It's picked forty seven and the phone finally rings. 307 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: For you, Craig. I love my defensive lineman nasty and 308 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: my cornerback's chippy. So I want that confidence. I want 309 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 4: that swag, I want the chip on the shoulder. If 310 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: you're asking for two positions, specifically on defense where you 311 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: need to have a little edge, it's those two positions. 312 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: And I think the discussions we've had with Walter Nolan, 313 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: the third defensive tackle taken sixteenth overall, sixteenth overall, the 314 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: conversations that we've had with and about cornerback Will Johnson, 315 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: I think those two players exude those personality traits. 316 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 5: Adrian Wilson was in here and his first comp and 317 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 5: he said this on stage right away to the draft party, 318 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 5: was Walter Nolan minds him of Darnell Dockett And there 319 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 5: was no one nastier on the defensive line than Darnell Dockett. 320 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 6: So if Walter. 321 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 5: Nolan is that guy on game day and all indications 322 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 5: are he does have a mean streak, yes that is 323 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: part of the evaluation, and yes that is a plus. 324 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 6: You check that box. 325 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 4: When I had the chance to sit down with Nolan 326 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 4: in our studio for a one on one interview, and 327 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 4: I was asking him about his mentality because he said 328 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: he feels similar to Aaron Donald, one of the best 329 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: defensive tackles this game has ever seen. And I said, 330 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: what is your mentality when you are lined up in 331 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 4: the trenches And he said, in my mind, every play, 332 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 4: they're trying to beat me to put food on their table, 333 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 4: and I need to put food on the table for 334 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: me and my family. And that was it, And that 335 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: is telling in a great way. 336 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 5: And that's where and we talked a little bit with 337 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 5: Adrienne Wilson about this as well. I think that's where 338 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 5: Nil is actually helping NFL teams decipher whether guys are 339 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: hungry or satisfied because a lot of these guys, especially 340 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 5: all these big recruits, and Walter Nolan was the number 341 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: one high school recruit, Johnson was a top twenty national recruit. 342 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 5: Even Jordan Birch was like a top ten national prospect. 343 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 5: I mean, these guys ridiculously talented at a young age. 344 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 5: They have all the traits of being potential pro bowlers, 345 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 5: at least in terms of the athleticism, the measurables and so. 346 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 5: And you figure these guys playing in big programs. They've 347 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 5: made some nil money. So now you see what is 348 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 5: their mentality? Are they still hungry? Are they satisfied? You know, 349 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 5: where is the edge? Do they have one? And they 350 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 5: can say, you know, they can maybe be coached up 351 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: by the agent, but you really see it on film, 352 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 5: and that's where you really see Walter Nolan excelling. When 353 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 5: they played a ridiculous amount of snaps compared to the 354 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 5: amount of snaps still play in the NFL. He played 355 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 5: far more snaps per game at Ole Miss than it'll 356 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: ever play for the Arizona Cardinals. Because you want guys 357 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 5: to be fresh and come in waves, especially Nick Rolis 358 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 5: and Jonathan Gannon and Will Johnson as well. Now, especially 359 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 5: with a massive chip on the old shoulder pad fallen 360 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 5: until pick forty seven when he thought he might go 361 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 5: to the Cardinals at number sixteen. So I like it, 362 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 5: I really do. And I think that's gonna rub off 363 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 5: on the rest of the guys in the room. 364 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: Speaking of that chip on the shoulder of Will Johnson, 365 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: we'll get to Jordan Birch here in a moment. But 366 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: one more thing on Walter Nolan. Yes, whenever those picks 367 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: are made, the GM, the head coach, the coaching staff, 368 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: their phones start buzzing from players. But JG shared a 369 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: story after the selection of Will Johnson. Yeah, there were 370 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: some players that lit up his phone, But there was 371 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: another text message and it came from Walter himself. He 372 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: wanted Will's number, and JG said, well, you know, he's 373 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: not real happy, you know, felda forty seven. He might 374 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: be a little agitated. And Walter, again paraphrasing here, said 375 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: don't worry, coach, I got it. 376 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: We'll be good. 377 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: And I think that speaks volumes one. That was a 378 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: story that JG said he was not going to share. 379 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: But as mean and nasty as Walter might be on 380 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: the field, off the field, we all three have been 381 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: around him here on this Friday, very calm and something 382 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: like almost like a soothing presence almost for a defensive lineman, 383 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. And here he is already his first 384 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: his first responsibility is first act. His first job is 385 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: to reach out to a fellow first round or a 386 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: fellow draft pick and say, it's okay, we got here 387 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: the same way. Now we're teammates. We'll do this together. 388 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: Double down by posting on social media how crazy it 389 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: is that they let both Walter Nolan and Will Johnson 390 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: end up in Arizona together. 391 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 5: Well, and think about it. Jonathan Gannon finished that story 392 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: by saying, I don't think I've ever had a guy 393 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 5: do that before. So that's telling, that's saying something. And 394 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 5: then what did Walter Nolan share of the media. He 395 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 5: was irked by some of the narratives are out there. 396 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: A that he doesn't love football, which just look at 397 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 5: the film, according to Jonathan Gannon, and you know that 398 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 5: his play style and what he shows you on films 399 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 5: contrary to that narrative. And the other one that Walter 400 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 5: Nolan shared that he disputes is that he's quote a 401 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 5: bad teammate doesn't sound like a bad teammate to me 402 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 5: if he's immediately texting a head coach and asking for 403 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: Will Johnson's number, and you know what, I'll talk to 404 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 5: him if he's not in a great mood. 405 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 4: There also weren't examples shared around those narratives, right, So 406 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 4: if if you're gonna have a good reason to have 407 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 4: those narratives about a player, then you need to have 408 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 4: examples to back it up. And there weren't examples. 409 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 5: You're right, no evidence, no examples. And oh, by the way, 410 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 5: they're all anonymous. No names on those reports. 411 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: Either, triple whamming. 412 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 6: All right, let's touch on. 413 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Birch, the Cardinals' third round selection, seventy eighth overall 414 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: edge rusher out of Oregon, someone that Monty Austin Ford 415 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: called kind of a unique guy six four two seventy nine, 416 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: A stand up edge rusher outside linebacker. He is an 417 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: imposing figure, someone danny that can get after the quarterback. 418 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: Eleven tackles for lost, eight and a half sacks in 419 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: ten games last season. Someone who has been very, very 420 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: productive over his five year college career, first three seasons 421 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: at South Carolina, the last two at Oregon, but sixteen 422 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: sacks in his career, thirty one tackles for loss, twenty 423 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: six quarterback hits. 424 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 4: Not even playing a full season, I mean to only 425 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: have played ten games last year. He was dealing with 426 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 4: some knee and ankle injuries. The knee early on in 427 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 4: the season and the ankle he missed one game middle 428 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: back end of the season. In those ten games, I mean, 429 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: eleven tackles were lost, eight and a half sacks, five 430 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 4: passes defense. So that is production. And similar to the 431 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 4: discussion we were having about Well Johnson of the front 432 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 4: office and the athletic training staff, right the medical staff. 433 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 4: Everybody's going through the medicals. That is part of the 434 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: process when you are figuring out where to place a 435 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: player on your draft board. So clearly the Cardinal's staff 436 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 4: felt comfortable with that history there. But I mean the 437 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: numbers are there and physically six four two seventy nine 438 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 4: pounds now, Birch said he feels most comfortable lining up 439 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: outside the tackle. So it'll be interesting to see where 440 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: the Cardinals end up having him play, and that's going 441 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: to take some time getting him on the field. He 442 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 4: does have the versatility to kind of play in more 443 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: than one position. What I thought was interesting was on 444 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 4: his conference called Jordan Birch didn't say who. At first. 445 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: He answered a call when someone asked about his familiarity 446 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: with Arizona and said, yeah, like I have a high 447 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: school teammate, actually who's out there? And that was it. 448 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 4: It was okay, kind of like crickets up, who'd you 449 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: play with Xavier Thomas twenty twenty four Arizona Cardinals draft pick. 450 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 4: They played high school football together. And then the follow 451 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 4: up question was how those offensive tackles line up against 452 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 4: two of you? And Birch leafed, he goes, yeah, they 453 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 4: did not play very well against the two of us. 454 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, my kids playing offensive line against those two in 455 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: high school. I come down on the field and yank 456 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: them out of the game. That's just criminal. At that point, 457 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 5: the two words I texted me by an NFL town evaluator, 458 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 5: jumbo athlete, those are the two words on Jordan Birch. 459 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 5: He ran a four to six seven forty. Now there 460 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: are different reports on what cam Scataboo ran, but one 461 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 5: apparently he ran was a four to sixty four. 462 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 6: So you have a. 463 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 5: Dude who's two hundred and eighty pounds running four to 464 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 5: sixty seven. All you have to do is search up 465 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 5: the video of his fake punt that Oregon ran against 466 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 5: Maryland and he took off for thirty six yards and 467 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 5: he looked like a running back. 468 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 4: We're talking about defensive coiner Nick Roalis being happy. Have 469 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: we talked about special teams coordinator Jeff Rodgers at all 470 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 4: and how he feels about this pick. 471 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 5: I mean, he had eight and a half sacks and 472 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 5: ten games last year he had eleven plus tackles for loss, 473 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 5: so he was productive despite the injuries, despite missing some games. 474 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: They have a pretty loaded roster at Oregon in the trenches, 475 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 5: so you know, he wasn't playing the entirety of every game, 476 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 5: but there is definitely upside. A few people I talked 477 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 5: to about Jordan Birch, I mean, they just love the 478 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 5: traits and that's why I asked Manti Austin Ford about it. 479 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 5: Just the size, the speed, the athleticism and what they 480 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: think they can get out of him, you know, with 481 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 5: some development off the edge and look, edge is one 482 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 5: of those positions as a rookie where you're going to say, 483 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 5: go get the quarterback. It's third and obvious passing. Here's 484 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 5: a speed package. We're bringing guys in you know, Nick 485 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 5: Rowlis loves, you know, walking guys around the line of scrimmage. 486 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 5: He has a history of actually playing some interior d 487 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 5: line as well. At times, I get if they're putting 488 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 5: Xavi and Collins inside in a three technique at certain 489 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: game plans. I could easily see Jordan Birch being that 490 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 5: guy this year. A two sport athlete that was recruited 491 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 5: to play basketball at South Carolina. He lettered in basketball 492 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 5: and high school decided to focus on football. But you 493 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 5: talk about the athleticism where you line him up in 494 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 5: each of the past two years, the athletics Bruce Feldman 495 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 5: his college football Freaks list In twenty twenty three, he 496 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 5: was number four. This past season, he was number ten, 497 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 5: almost twenty one per hour on the GPS, a thirty 498 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 5: five inch vertical squat and sumo deadlift six hundred and 499 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 5: eighty five pounds. So again, a physical freak with the 500 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 5: traits to move someone away from where I need to go. Again, 501 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: is that a defensive end handing the dirt is at 502 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 5: a stand up defensive end, or again, a true outside 503 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 5: linebacker bottom line is Danny, He's gonna get after the 504 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 5: opposing quarterback. 505 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: We gotta find a way to get Paul on that list. 506 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: Let me tell you freaks list. I'm here in blocking 507 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 5: back for James Connor when it's fourth and goal from 508 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 5: the one that's or just give him the ball at 509 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 5: this point. My goodness, that's ridiculous awesome. 510 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 4: Ford was asked in his post Night two joint press 511 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: conference with Gannon about having possibly too many bodies in 512 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: that room, and Austin Ford immediately laughed it off and 513 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: said pretty much, Yeah, that's never gonna happen. You can 514 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: never have too many bodies in that room. 515 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 6: All right, Let's pull. 516 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: The pin now on the look that Danny had given 517 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: me earlier here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hyundai, 518 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, because now you look 519 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: at the numbers, Paul, this is eight outside linebackers for 520 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, Josh What, Aaron Brownings, Xavon Collins, b 521 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: Jo Joli, Xavier Thomas, Elliott Brown, Benton Whitley, and Jordan Birch. 522 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something here that I might regret. However, 523 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: a few weeks back, there was a hot take if 524 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: you will, by one to the right. You look at 525 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: this outside linebacker room. And if you're worried about the 526 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: numbers as far as hey, we have too many, but 527 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: we don't want to lose anyone. Yeah, moved back inside. 528 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: Become that screen dot again and make sure you just 529 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: keep them around. 530 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 6: Why is it so hard? Why is it so hard? 531 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 4: I see? 532 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, here's another question I actually failed 533 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 5: to ask the head coach. Coach, I really want to 534 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 5: ask him. He probably would not answer it, but it 535 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 5: would be something like this, coach, who's your middle linebacker? 536 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 6: Right now? You can ask that on Saturday. 537 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: We have a chance Saturday night getting an answer. 538 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 6: Okay, we'll see. We'll see if I get an answer. 539 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. 540 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 5: I'm guessing probably not. But I mean, look, Zavion Collins 541 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 5: played six different positions last year. That's what he told 542 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 5: us in the Big Red Rage, and so you know 543 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 5: what is his future? 544 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 3: I don't know. 545 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: I don't know if Kaiser White is still I mean, 546 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 5: if you're Kaiser White or Jim al Mahundro. 547 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 6: Brought this up. 548 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 5: If you're looking at the defensive front now as an 549 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: inside middle linebacker, you're going, oh my goodness, I'm not 550 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: gonna get touched. Look look at what Dalvin Thomlinson and 551 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 5: Kalis Campbell and Darius Robinson coming back. And here's Walter 552 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 5: Nolan and l J. Collier and oh, by the way, 553 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 5: the two big free agents last year both got hurt 554 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 5: and are expected to be healthy this year. Justin Jones 555 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 5: Blall Nichols, And they're all climbing over each other for 556 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: snap and reps because they're hungry and frotten in the 557 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: mouth because they want a chance to play and they 558 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 5: want to earn that next contract, especially a couple of 559 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 5: guys on one year deals. If I'm an inside linebacker 560 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 5: right now, I'm loving that scenario because all of a sudden, man, 561 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 5: you can just seek and destroy because you're not gonna 562 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 5: have all these offensive linemen in your face like you did, 563 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 5: especially two years ago. 564 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 4: Or if you're Mac Wilson senior who loves playing off 565 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 4: the edge, yep. 566 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: No doubt. 567 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 6: So yeah, Zamon Collins wearing the green dot, hmmm. 568 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: Why do you do some investigating for us, Paul? 569 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're stream McBride because you know, we got to 570 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 5: infiltrate their next golf twosome out there and start asking 571 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 5: Zavion Collins forget about me, asking Zavion Collins about what 572 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 5: classic cars restoring this offseason. We got some heavy hitting 573 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 5: questions this year. 574 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: Here's something we can flush as the offseason continues. I'm convinced, 575 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 1: based off what has been added this offseason on the 576 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: defensive line at edge, that this defense, the base defense, 577 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: if you will, is no longer a three to four, 578 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: gonna be a four to three. What Jonathan Gannon and 579 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: Nick Rollis ran in Philadelphia based off the personnel the 580 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: Eagles have now the Cardinals have that personnel here in Arizona. Again, 581 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: just my thought. It can be discussed, debated, argued. It's 582 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: just again based off the numbers and not wanting to 583 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: get rid of any quality players. Tough decisions are going 584 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: to be made, and I think one of the decisions 585 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: is we're gonna switch things up a little bit. We're 586 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: gonna have four guys, five guys at the line of 587 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: scrimmage and maybe not as much exotic stand up at 588 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and who's coming who's not. 589 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 5: Okay, well, let's look at your division. Christian McCaffrey is back. 590 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 5: You know, Kyle Shanahan's gonna want to run the ball. 591 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 5: They won't have the same number of elite receivers like 592 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 5: they've had in the past. We know Seattle just canned 593 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 5: its offensive coordinator because he wasn't running the ball enough. 594 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 5: They have Kenneth Walker's Zach Charbonay. Here it comes, They're 595 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 5: gonna try and cram it vertical. And then the Rams, 596 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 5: who are all sneaky, low key run team, they really are, 597 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 5: and you know they have they love the big receivers 598 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 5: who will block Puka Nakua, in particular Kien Williams. When 599 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 5: the Rams have beaten the Cardinals, It's been Kien Williams 600 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 5: a lot of times. So you better stop the run. 601 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 5: And if you can do that by loading the box 602 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 5: and do it with guys who can also get to 603 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 5: the quarterback, so wait for it. Maybe you can only 604 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 5: rush four for the first time in the history of 605 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 5: this regime, you have not been able to rush for 606 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 5: and get home. If that's the case, I think a 607 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 5: the scheme might change. But the bigger change, the bigger 608 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 5: benefit is if you truly can rush for drop seven. 609 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 5: Adrian Wilson talked at length about that. That's what truly 610 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 5: changes your defense. 611 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: Last point here on this Friday night, MANI without being asked, 612 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: mentioned that both times they were on the clock at 613 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: forty seven and seventy eight, have the option to move 614 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: back acquire additional draft capital. Both times, Danny the room 615 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: chose not to because of how they valued Will Johnson 616 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: and Jordan Birch. I do think that speaks to not 617 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: only those players, but also the individuals that they're now 618 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: bringing into that locker room. 619 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 4: The person comes before the player. That is what we 620 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: heard in the pre draft press conference with the GM 621 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: and the head coach and quality over quantity. The Cardinals 622 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 4: had twelve draft picks last year. That is an absurd number. 623 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 4: While there is benefit to having draft picks and building 624 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 4: a team around the draft, the Cardinals have been doing that. 625 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 4: Now you're at a point in this transition phase heading 626 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 4: into year three where you're not just having to kind 627 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: of reset the team. That foundation has been set, the 628 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 4: culture has been set. Now you've got to start making 629 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 4: moves to make a push for it. So, while yes, 630 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 4: draft picks and that draft capital is still incredibly valuable. 631 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 4: If you've got that right player and even better at 632 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 4: the right position, you have to strike while the iron 633 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 4: is hot, and you have to bring in competition. You 634 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 4: have to bring in skill players. You have to bring 635 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: in players who are going to give you production. Even 636 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 4: if they're not going to be a star or a 637 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 4: starter per se, you still need depth. So I like 638 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 4: the fact that one Austin Ford was listening to what 639 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 4: was on the other line. He wasn't automatically set in 640 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 4: stone on what he was going to do. I like 641 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 4: that you're doing your due diligence. And I like the 642 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 4: fact that he felt comfortable enough to stay and make 643 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: the picks that he did without feeling forced of maybe 644 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: I should get more picks, because that can be tempting 645 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 4: when you're in the draft, right and to go from 646 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 4: six to maybe eight or nine picks and you think, 647 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 4: maybe you get more swings at the ball, right. So 648 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 4: to a certain point, though, quality over quantity. So I 649 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: like the fact that they trusted the board, trusted the preparation, 650 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 4: the work that had been done, and they stayed at 651 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: forty seven and seventy eight. 652 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 5: I'm guessing the teams who called for forty seven were 653 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 5: ready to draft Will Johnson as well. I'm guessing there 654 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 5: are a lot of teams right, but sorry, you didn't 655 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 5: get Will Johnson in Seattle. What you're not the only 656 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 5: one with a six to two corner up there. I 657 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 5: know Seattle likes. You know, they have their sixty Devin Witherspoon, 658 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 5: fifth overall, Tariq one, and I get it. You know, 659 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 5: Seattle on their corners. Cardinals are coming with the corners 660 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 5: right now. So you know, it's not just the Janki 661 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 5: O line that we're calling out over there. But that 662 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 5: is very interesting. Here's something else I think is interesting 663 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 5: to Danny's point is Kelvin Beacham was on a podcast 664 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 5: within the last week on Arizona Sports and he mentioned 665 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 5: that the vibe in the locker room. He said, if 666 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 5: you haven't noticed this as a player on the Cardinals roster, 667 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 5: you better notice it real quick, is that the time 668 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: is now that this team is all about winning. Now 669 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 5: that it's obvious based on the one hundred and thirty 670 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 5: million or so they've invested in the defensive front, based 671 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 5: on how they're running the draft and getting guys who 672 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 5: can make an immediate impact, just the way they've gone 673 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 5: about assembling it, and then how it's going to pay 674 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 5: off those first two draft classes. You know, in the 675 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 5: words of Calvin Beacham, it's obvious. And he said That's 676 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 5: one of the reason as I resigned for another year, 677 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 5: I decided a to come back and be play for 678 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 5: the Arizona Cardinals, because, yeah, this thing's about to take off. 679 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 5: My only regret is that we were a year early 680 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 5: with the whole twenty twenty three dip for a twenty 681 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 5: twenty four rip. We were just a year early on 682 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 5: that marketing slogan which nobody adopted. 683 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 6: So you know, I guess if it never made. 684 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 4: You know, what was you what was your saying for 685 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: the qbs in round one this year? How many qbs 686 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 4: did you were you hoping for? 687 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 688 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 5: I would have lost money on that. I think what 689 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 5: would the over under the Vegas Olver owner was two 690 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 5: and a half on quarterbacks in the first round? 691 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 6: Were there two? There were two? There were two? 692 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: Or two? 693 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 6: Yes? 694 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 5: So thank goodness, thank you NFL. I'm not allowed to bet, 695 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 5: so you saved me money on that one. So anyway, 696 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 5: let's bring this full circle here with two more or 697 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 5: would say three more selections and the fourth, fifth, and 698 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 5: seventh rounds. Cardinals, do we finally see this. Drew Petson 699 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 5: gets an offensive lineman, a wide receiver, and or a 700 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 5: running back. One of these three picks. Is there an 701 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 5: off defensive player that the Arizona Cardinals at. 702 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 4: Danny, Yes, I think there's a possibility you get one 703 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 4: of each that you just listed. 704 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: Now. 705 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: Offensive line does not supposedly have the sort of draft 706 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 4: or the depth rather in this draft class. Although when 707 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 4: you're picking on day three typically you're looking for more 708 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 4: of that developmental role. Even if that is during the season, 709 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 4: they can find a role once the season kind of 710 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 4: gets going. So even if the Cardinals you take an 711 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 4: offensive lineman on day three, it doesn't automatically mean that 712 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 4: you know, right guard Asia Adams, for example, going into 713 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 4: year two, is suddenly his job is on the line. 714 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 4: Competition is important. Sure, absolutely, you have to win your role. 715 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 4: So I would keep my eye on offensive line, but 716 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 4: wide receiver and running back just because of the depth, 717 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 4: because those are two positions that you can always use 718 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 4: in a draft when you're talking about usage and the 719 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 4: skill set and injuries that might happen. I am a 720 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 4: little concerned for the safety of those who live in 721 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 4: the valley. If the Cardinals do decide to draft Camp 722 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 4: Scataboo out of AFCU, I think this whole town would 723 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 4: just burst into flames because people will be so excited. 724 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 4: So we'll see, we'll see what will happen. I wouldn't 725 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 4: be surprised though, if the Cardinals continue to add some 726 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 4: depth on defense, just because why wouldn't you If that's 727 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 4: if that's where the quality is in the draft, why 728 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 4: would you not do that. 729 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was out of the draft party and I 730 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 5: got my first look at the Marvin Harrison junior jerseys, right, 731 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 5: and not only the red, but the black, the black 732 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 5: eighteen man. 733 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 6: That's pretty sweet. 734 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 5: So there's no doubt if they were to draft Camp Scataboo, 735 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 5: they would sell a boatload of jerseys in this town, 736 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 5: in this state. There's no question about that. Yeah, I'm 737 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 5: thinking if there's an offensive guard, you know, if there's 738 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 5: someone with all the traits, but maybe it's suffered an injury, 739 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 5: you know, an upside you know, you know, bilos sell 740 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 5: high maybe somehow, And if there's a John Brown sitting 741 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 5: out there in round four you get a burner, someone 742 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 5: running a four to three. 743 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 6: Maybe a little raw. 744 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 5: I could see the Cardinals going after that sort of 745 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 5: resist in this draft. 746 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: Fourth round it's pick one fifteen, fifth round one fifty two, 747 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: and in the seventh round two twenty five, and of 748 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: course I think we should just do this again. It's 749 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: Cardinals cover two, but how about we do it cover 750 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: three post day three. 751 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 5: I have one other prediction to come full circle. I'm 752 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 5: gonna get home tonight and the wife and daughter, I'm 753 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 5: gonna they're gonna ask. They're oblige me. So who did 754 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 5: the Cardinals draft? I'm gonna name the two players. They 755 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 5: don't know a football from a foosball. 756 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 6: That's cool. I love them for it. 757 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 5: And then I'm gonna mention Jordan Birch, and I guarantee 758 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 5: you the response is going to be Tory Birch. 759 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 4: Now you know what Tory Burch is. 760 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 6: Believe me, I'll have to do a seat on your stage. 761 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 5: A look at my credit card statements, and I know 762 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 5: what Tory Birch is. I found out the hard way 763 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 5: what Tory Birch is, and to me, Tory is a 764 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 5: four letter work. Jordan Birch much more acceptable. All right, Paul, 765 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 5: guess better hurry home to make sure you don't have 766 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 5: any more expenses on that credit card. When you get home. 767 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 5: You know, maybe, if I'm lucky, my battery's dead out 768 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 5: in the parking lot. So I don't have to find 769 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 5: out the hard way. 770 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 6: You don't know you want that. We don't want that. 771 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: All right. 772 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: It's been a long day, good work from everyone, and 773 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: uh yeah, we will do it again post day three 774 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: on Saturday. So on that note, we'll put a lid 775 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai 776 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks 777 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Mamahure, our associate producer Cody Fincher. 778 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: Special thanks to Alex Greenberg as well for Danny sirek 779 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: Al Calvic. I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to you 780 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two.