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Speaker 1: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about
Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.
Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals.
Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life.
Speaker 2: Welcome the best of both worlds. This is Laura.
Speaker 1: This episode is airing in mid March of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Sarah and I are going to be sharing various fun
Speaker 1: facts about ourselves. This was kind of prompted by a
Speaker 1: list of two hundred icebreaker questions that we wound up
Speaker 1: looking through. But we are here to gather in a
Speaker 1: hotel room in Naples, So hello, Sarah sitting right next
Speaker 1: to me. Hi. Okay, we'll go from there that we
Speaker 1: need a little bit more of an icebreaker with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we occasionally meet up in person and try to
Speaker 1: record a couple episodes and talk through the future of
Speaker 1: the podcast. Always enjoy doing that, So that's what we're
Speaker 1: doing here. So we apologie is very slightly more echoey sound,
Speaker 1: but hopefully being together is making.
Speaker 2: Up for that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we always love them. We get to actually
Speaker 3: record in person, it's just it's a different energy. It
Speaker 3: feels really special, and we get to take a little
Speaker 3: mini trip, which is fun as well awesome.
Speaker 1: So the first little fun fact that it turned out
Speaker 1: Sarah and I can both do it turns out we
Speaker 1: can both touch our noses with our tongues. If you
Speaker 1: could see us now we could demonstrate, but you can't
Speaker 1: really see us.
Speaker 2: So I just did it. We just did it.
Speaker 3: Laura offered that as her first fun fact, and I
Speaker 3: was like, well, me too, So it's sort of the
Speaker 3: fun fact that you have to use sparingly. I once
Speaker 3: use that as a fun fact in a situation where
Speaker 3: I then realized shortly thereafter it was probably not the
Speaker 3: right fun fact to because it just change.
Speaker 2: The whole energy of the situation.
Speaker 1: I all of a sudden, it goes from being something
Speaker 1: else to be about You could do that, you can
Speaker 1: touch your I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess we just both have long light, the mood light,
Speaker 2: the mood good way, a life good way.
Speaker 1: Speaking of other things, Sarah, do you have a biggest
Speaker 1: life regret?
Speaker 3: Yes, my biggest life regret is not studying abroad, which
Speaker 3: is actually a life regret I share with my husband.
Speaker 3: I believe he has said the same thing, so I
Speaker 3: don't know if I copied it from him, but it's
Speaker 3: so true. I made this dumb decision that I wanted
Speaker 3: to be like what was kind of the Williams equivalent
Speaker 3: of a resident advisor. And I swear the only reason
Speaker 3: I wanted it is because it was like hard to.
Speaker 2: Get Sarah's personality coming through.
Speaker 3: And I remember like looking at these really cool study
Speaker 3: of broad programs in Scandinavia and all sorts of cool places.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, no, I'm going to do this.
Speaker 3: And I mean, maybe I was thinking about medical school
Speaker 3: application or somehow thinking it would like look good, because
Speaker 3: I was definitely very forward focused back then. But oh man,
Speaker 3: I really feel like I missed such a cool opportunity
Speaker 3: to experience living somewhere else. And I know I could
Speaker 3: still do that now, but it's definitely harder. And my
Speaker 3: secondary regret that goes right along with that is that
Speaker 3: I took French in middle and high school instead of Spanish,
Speaker 3: and I could have combined both of those, taken Spanish,
Speaker 3: become fluent in Spanish, studied broad in Spain, and then
Speaker 3: I would have a skill that would be so useful
Speaker 3: in my everyday life. So I continue to work on
Speaker 3: my Spanish and I have made some progress.
Speaker 2: But those are both regrets. Okay, I did, in fact
Speaker 2: study abroad.
Speaker 1: I studied in Australia because I was not very good
Speaker 1: at any language per se. I studied French forever and
Speaker 1: still cannot really say all that much in French, as
Speaker 1: happens with many Americans. But I studied abroad in Australia,
Speaker 1: which they turned out to speak English, so that's helpful.
Speaker 1: I mean there are trade offs though, I mean because
Speaker 1: so you know, the way in college are like leadership
Speaker 1: roles for activities all went as you would start in
Speaker 1: the middle of your junior year and go to the
Speaker 1: first half of your senior year for like the top
Speaker 1: leadership roles for everything. So I couldn't do that because
Speaker 1: I went my spring junior year, So I missed out
Speaker 1: on being like a top leader in any the organizations
Speaker 1: that I was in because of that. So there were
Speaker 1: trade offs, but you know, it was also really fun.
Speaker 1: I regret not having done a whole lot of like
Speaker 1: done the like European trip in my twenties where you
Speaker 1: go travel around everywhere. I think that would have been
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to do. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: when I was in Australia, I did travel all around Australia,
Speaker 1: so I guess I had to some degree the you
Speaker 1: know experience of sleeping in cheap guest houses and going
Speaker 1: to see lots of different things. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: had it in a different form. Yes, I did do
Speaker 1: that trip and it was really fun. Yeah, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: then there we go we have, we can share each
Speaker 1: other's life regrets in a different different way.
Speaker 2: So, Sarah, what was your worst haircut? Ever?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is easy.
Speaker 3: So I began Japanese straightening my hair in two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven, and I'm going to go into a little
Speaker 3: detail because every time I mentioned Japanese straightening, I get
Speaker 3: like three emails about like what is this?
Speaker 2: What is this thing?
Speaker 3: And it is a multi step process that makes your
Speaker 3: hair completely straight, like frizz free. You can just get
Speaker 3: out of the shower and it's like straight. I mean
Speaker 3: I have not super curly hair, but just kind of
Speaker 3: like frizzy, wavy hair, and this makes it much easier
Speaker 3: to control. And the first time I got like a
Speaker 3: real paycheck in residency, I was like, I'm getting my
Speaker 3: hair straightened and it takes a long time. It takes
Speaker 3: like four or five hours. And back then I think
Speaker 3: I paid maybe like six hundred dollars for the initial straightening,
Speaker 3: and that's actually a low price for an initial because
Speaker 3: it's your whole head of hair. It takes like forever,
Speaker 3: but I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, now that I have straight hair,
Speaker 4: I can do really interesting things with my hair.
Speaker 3: And at the time, Victoria Beckham was really making waves
Speaker 3: with this cute little like I don't know, pixies hype
Speaker 3: haircut that was a little bit asymmetrical, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to have posh spice hair. And I got
Speaker 3: that haircut, and I see pictures from that time and
Speaker 3: I was like wow, because not only was it bad,
Speaker 3: but my hair was like so straight. Because it is
Speaker 3: so straight that it's just sort of like lanthly, it
Speaker 3: was bad.
Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in fifth grade, I finally got my hair
Speaker 1: cut like shorter, which was probably it needed to happen
Speaker 1: for a while, it had been pretty long. But then
Speaker 1: elected to do a home perm to as people may
Speaker 1: remember that that was a thing back in the eighties
Speaker 1: or nineties that you could buy these home perm kits.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're still around or if the
Speaker 1: chemicals are just so terrible that they would have been
Speaker 1: changed in some way, shape or form with the evolution
Speaker 1: of standards, but anyway, it was kind of funny looking,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of little frize, Like here you
Speaker 1: are trying to get rid of your curls, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to put them in but probably not in a
Speaker 1: great way. So there's some pretty funny pictures from that
Speaker 1: era speaking of people being from various eras though emojis
Speaker 1: all right, So Sarah and I had a little discussion
Speaker 1: about emojis. So this icebreaker question was like, do you
Speaker 1: use the you know whatever? Like when I want to
Speaker 1: do a smiley face, I put a colon and a
Speaker 1: parentheses right the half of the parentheses, and if you
Speaker 1: want to do a frownie face, you do the other way, right,
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 2: And then Sarah said, well, I was like absolutely shocked.
Speaker 2: She was shocked.
Speaker 1: Apparently this like ages me to the point of geriatric
Speaker 1: status on my smartphone.
Speaker 4: Like technically we're the same generation, but I don't know
Speaker 4: that might be like where the millennials and DNEX divides,
Speaker 4: Like I my husband does the same as you, Laura, like,
Speaker 4: and he is older than you are by a few years.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely associate that with an age cut off.
Speaker 1: And I because it's somewhere in the eighteen months between
Speaker 1: our birthdays, then I.
Speaker 2: Guess, so, yes, it must be. It must be.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was like who got really comfortable using the
Speaker 3: little like faces and aim or I think am had faces.
Speaker 3: I don't know my kids use emojis in even like
Speaker 3: different ways, or like we'll use different emojis than I
Speaker 3: would think of using.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the quintessential like millennial emojis are like.
Speaker 3: The laugh crying face, the like two tears face, the
Speaker 3: like anguish face, the head explode face.
Speaker 2: Those are all my very frequently frequently used.
Speaker 3: Although I will say my mom, who I believe the
Speaker 3: seventy five on the Davis episode Airsy Happy Birthday, she
Speaker 3: uses a lot of face emojis, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, good for her. I mean, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just behind the times. I've never managed to do that
Speaker 1: one where you know, you can actually do in the
Speaker 1: characters where it's I'm trying to demonstrate in here nobody's
Speaker 1: seeing me, but with the hand shrug, right, Like, you
Speaker 1: can do one with the hand shrug, but you have
Speaker 1: to do like ten different characters in order to make
Speaker 1: it look like the person's shrugging. But I have not
Speaker 1: figured that one out. I don't go beyond apparently the
Speaker 1: only emotions I need to express in my texts or
Speaker 1: emails are the smiley face or the frowny face. And
Speaker 1: that is the extent of my emotional language. Okay, So
Speaker 1: the celebrity, Sarah, the celebrity that you have ever been
Speaker 1: told you look like?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, so what is the show again?
Speaker 3: Oh, House of Cards? I look a lot like. I
Speaker 3: don't really that I look like her, but I look
Speaker 3: like her character in House of Cards. So Kate Mara
Speaker 3: plays this like annoying journalist and if you like look
Speaker 3: at her fast, it's like me. And I actually was
Speaker 3: kind of freaked out by seeing the show because like
Speaker 3: the person superficially looked so much like.
Speaker 2: Me that I like almost couldn't watch it.
Speaker 3: When I see her all dressed up and looking Hollywood glam, like,
Speaker 3: she looks way better than me. So you know, but
Speaker 3: in that show, it's like, wow, dappleganger, doppleganger for Sarah,
Speaker 3: So go check that out.
Speaker 1: I know at one point and somebody told me I
Speaker 1: look like Jodie Foster, but I don't know if I
Speaker 1: have anyone I look entirely like. Oh well, so, Sarah,
Speaker 1: what is your least favorite food? Perhaps something you maybe
Speaker 1: had to eat in childhood and have resolved never to
Speaker 1: eat as an adult. So I answered it, But I
Speaker 1: have like so many different answers that I'm going to
Speaker 1: because I had a great text discussion with my text
Speaker 1: friend Kay and we were talking about foods we don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't like I have texture issues, okay gum, I
Speaker 1: don't like jello. I don't like those Morton gels.
Speaker 3: I don't like anything that's like in the mouth that
Speaker 3: might have like a slightly chewy or like flubbery kind
Speaker 3: of feeling like I will die like. So that is
Speaker 3: my most dislike thing. My other most dislike thing is
Speaker 3: cilantro because I'm like a major Cilantro hater. But growing up,
Speaker 3: I would say, like my mom would like microwave like
Speaker 3: steamed plains zucchini, and I was not.
Speaker 2: A fan of that either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like cilantro. So you're on the other side
Speaker 1: of the cilantro. Does it taste like soap to you?
Speaker 1: Or you just don't like it?
Speaker 2: Just like I mean they always say soap. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it just tastes like garbage, Like I just it just tastes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how do you eat but you like stuff like guacamole? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it without you get it interesting? Interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm a Cilantro fan, but I would say I remember
Speaker 1: eating liver growing up, and I mean it must get
Speaker 1: still sold places. I'm sure people have like liver and
Speaker 1: onions or something like that, but it's a food that
Speaker 1: I would never like contemplate buying as an adult or
Speaker 1: serving in my household.
Speaker 2: So there you go. All right.
Speaker 1: If you were to have a superpower, what superpower would
Speaker 1: you want? I debate about this.
Speaker 3: I mean part of me is like, would it be
Speaker 3: cool to see each other hear each other like people's thoughts?
Speaker 3: But then I'm like that would actually be kind of
Speaker 3: probably multi layered and bad, like maybe there are things.
Speaker 2: You don't you don't want to know.
Speaker 3: So I would choose teleportation because I don't like driving.
Speaker 2: I don't love flying.
Speaker 3: It would just be so convenient to just like close
Speaker 3: my eyes and then be wherever I wanted to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's true.
Speaker 1: Having been on some long flights, I feel like that
Speaker 1: would be helpful.
Speaker 2: Or can your family also like teleport with you?
Speaker 1: I mean, can you take passengers along on your teleportation superpower?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe we could go in like the like
Speaker 2: flu powder thing, like a Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I mean I was just saying, we're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if we could take like a longer
Speaker 1: trip with our kids, because we have the equivalent of
Speaker 1: being able to take like two weeks over Christmas next year,
Speaker 1: so like, well, we could go somewhere much further away
Speaker 1: would be great. And then we just had a mere
Speaker 1: like two hours on the plane with our kids going
Speaker 1: to and from Orlando from Philadelphia. It's just like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we have not reached that. We've not reached that point.
Speaker 1: I mean, my older kids would be fine, but to
Speaker 1: the younger ones, and I don't think I'm going to
Speaker 1: leave them for that long. So it's uh, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: well ponder that one. So teleportation would be cool, but
Speaker 1: I also would.
Speaker 2: Really enjoy flying.
Speaker 1: I think flying would be awesome just from you know,
Speaker 1: when we were doing that two hour trip to and
Speaker 1: from Orlando, we went to Disney and one of my
Speaker 1: favorite rides ever is Avatar because the flight of passage,
Speaker 1: you ride on the back of a banshee through this
Speaker 1: navvy like thing, and it feels like you're flying, like
Speaker 1: you go up and down, you swoop, the scenery changes,
Speaker 1: and I always love that feeling. So I think I
Speaker 1: might enjoy the superpower of being able to fly.
Speaker 3: And that led into our next one because I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: Josh says the same thing. It must be you're like,
Speaker 3: you have the same personality type because we can I
Speaker 3: tell Yeah, you were out to dinner and maybe I'd
Speaker 3: told this before, but I'm an E S FJ and
Speaker 3: Myers Briggs pretty consistently, and we were sitting at the
Speaker 3: table with Laura and then my lovely college friend Vicky,
Speaker 3: and they're.
Speaker 4: Both the same. And then that's the same as Josh.
Speaker 4: So then I was like, oh, I must only enjoy
Speaker 4: hanging out with what is it.
Speaker 2: I NTJ CJ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure there's any validity to any of this,
Speaker 1: but im TJ is Actually it's interesting that you found
Speaker 1: me and Vicky because it's actually a pretty rare type,
Speaker 1: particularly for females.
Speaker 2: Apparently, I don't know. I saw a distribution that.
Speaker 3: Makes sense for both the view and the types of
Speaker 3: women you both are.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I guess that means it's an introvert and I know
Speaker 1: I'm a planner. I don't really know what the other
Speaker 1: two mean.
Speaker 2: We didn't think that far.
Speaker 1: We didn't figure out for ourhead because we're like different
Speaker 1: on everything except being planners.
Speaker 2: Sensing and feeling, sensing a feeling. Apparently I don't sensor feel.
Speaker 3: No sensing and proceeding, and then it's feeling and judging. Sorry,
Speaker 3: we'll have to have a subject matter expert explain our
Speaker 3: myers brace.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what it actually is. I didn't
Speaker 1: even start with the enneagram one. I think I started
Speaker 1: taking it at one point and then I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have no idea this could put me in anything. So
Speaker 1: maybe being skeptical of that as part of the personality
Speaker 1: framework as well.
Speaker 2: All right, well, we're going to take a quick ad break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more fun fact slash icebreakers.
Speaker 2: All right, so we are back.
Speaker 1: Sarah and I are recording to gather in our hotel
Speaker 1: room here in Naples, Florida. It's always fun to be
Speaker 1: together in person, and as part of being together in person,
Speaker 1: we are doing a list of fun facts slash icebreaker
Speaker 1: questions that we found online and have been going through. So, Sarah,
Speaker 1: what is your favorite holiday? I answered Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: But I think in the real answer in my heart
Speaker 3: is I love New Year's I love the lead up
Speaker 3: to it, I love the I love celebrating. I mean
Speaker 3: I like New Year's Eve too, like leading into new year.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I knew my answer.
Speaker 1: And in terms of I mean, because I know you
Speaker 1: sometimes do like religious holidays with your extended family.
Speaker 2: Do you have one of those that's like a major
Speaker 2: fun one or.
Speaker 3: Well, I would have to go with the Jewish New Year,
Speaker 3: the Jewish New Year, Okay, same thing, same thing.
Speaker 1: Right, that's a rashashana, right, yeah, okay, so celebrate that
Speaker 1: and as a family one too. Yeah. I like Christmas,
Speaker 1: but because I like all the lead up, I like
Speaker 1: the cozy aspects of it. It can be a little
Speaker 1: bit high pressure though, so sometimes I kind of like
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving part of it too, because it's you get
Speaker 1: some of the coziness of Christmas, and you can have
Speaker 1: your Christmas stuff up by Thanksgiving most of the time,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit less pressure. And certainly when
Speaker 1: you are a mom of five children and are coordinating
Speaker 1: everyone's gifts and wrapping and activities, Christmas winds up consuming
Speaker 1: a lot of energy. So yeah, all right, if you
Speaker 1: had a time machine, would you prefer to go forward
Speaker 1: or backwards? If we had quite a discussion about this
Speaker 1: over a drink last night, I know, but.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even make up my mind.
Speaker 3: Like, I feel like both we both decided that going
Speaker 3: too far backward was a very.
Speaker 1: Bad idea, because like what if you like cut yourself
Speaker 1: and get an infection at like it's seventeen sixty three
Speaker 1: and you're like, whoops, I guess I'm not making it back.
Speaker 2: To the future. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Plus, I mean we probably in certain places wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been able to go to school, you know, like a
Speaker 3: lot of rites that we take for granted would be
Speaker 3: taken away.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to not be able to vote
Speaker 2: in things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the nineties would be fun to relive, and I
Speaker 3: think I'd like to go into like the near future,
Speaker 3: but then the far future is also slightly terrifying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm like that that'll be the cold dead planet.
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, hopefully our time machine still goes
Speaker 1: back once we're like hovering around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm pretty happy with the present. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, I think, much.
Speaker 3: Like reading other people minds, I think you just don't
Speaker 3: want to a box.
Speaker 1: I don't want to Yeah, yeah, okay, weirdest food you
Speaker 1: have ever eaten?
Speaker 2: Yeah? We I mean, did you have a good answer
Speaker 2: for this well.
Speaker 1: I mean, so when I was in Australia, somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: there was some like thing that was totally just aimbed
Speaker 1: at tourists where you could try kangaroo meat because normal
Speaker 1: people do not eat kangaroo meat because it's really gamey. Right,
Speaker 1: So anything that's a wild animal is not going to
Speaker 1: taste all that great because they are more muscular, Like
Speaker 1: it's a just different flavor, so it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: a darker gamy type of meat.
Speaker 2: It's just not good. Right.
Speaker 1: So I have, in fact had kangaroo, but eh, we've
Speaker 1: both tried like escargo, right, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things that's.
Speaker 2: True French not a common not a commonly eaten thing.
Speaker 2: I guess I've had meals with like rabbit and stuff
Speaker 2: like rabbit. Yeah, that's interesting, that's you know, that's true.
Speaker 1: When I was in Japan once, they there's a certain
Speaker 1: kind of cuisine and I've never figured out what it is,
Speaker 1: so maybe somebody can write in and tell me what
Speaker 1: this is. But it featured both like raw basically like
Speaker 1: very rare steak and eggs that were not cooked that much.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really funny. Is this what
Speaker 1: they serve? To the tourist to like try to I
Speaker 1: don't know, make seem well, they eat it. I mean
Speaker 1: they eat the fish with the heads on the moon served,
Speaker 1: so maybe they'll eat this too.
Speaker 3: I think I also had some sort of novelty gator
Speaker 3: byte ones gator bytes.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, if you're in Florida, you got to try
Speaker 1: that at some point. So of course, all right, if
Speaker 1: you could live.
Speaker 2: Anywhere for a year, Sarah, where would you want to live?
Speaker 3: I feel like I have such a boring answer to this,
Speaker 3: but I think it would be really lovely to live
Speaker 3: in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Hawaii is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: It's very beautiful. It'd be very peaceful. It would be
Speaker 3: logistically easy. I wouldn't have to deal with I mean,
Speaker 3: I know here I am contradicting myself. I want to
Speaker 3: travel abroad, yet I'm got to choose Hawaii.
Speaker 2: No. I think there's a lot of places I have
Speaker 2: fun living.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, if it's an English speaking place, that
Speaker 3: makes it easier. In New Zealand, I've always wanted to
Speaker 3: go to So maybe a year would be the answer.
Speaker 3: I really make that plane flight be worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. If you're going to spend eighteen hours
Speaker 2: on a plane. Yeah. New Zealand would be awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, why, I love the beach, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'd want to spend an entire year at
Speaker 1: the beach. I guess that's the I always enjoy going
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks in the summer. But then
Speaker 1: that may be the extent of how much of that
Speaker 1: I want. I mean, I was thinking maybe somewhere like London,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a great city, it's very beautiful
Speaker 1: at prices, and they speak English, so I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: the barriers that you know, if I were, you know,
Speaker 1: because am I bringing my kids, like if they're going
Speaker 1: to school, like they don't speak anything else, So that
Speaker 1: would be I shall appreciate.
Speaker 2: The kids if I'm bringing the kids for a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then and then the upside of London, obviously is
Speaker 1: you could get very easily to other cities in Europe.
Speaker 1: It would be like me flying to Florida to go
Speaker 1: to Berlin. You know, you go for the weekend. You
Speaker 1: could go to.
Speaker 2: All over Europe.
Speaker 1: So I mean that would have an upside of being
Speaker 1: central for those locations. All right, if you were going
Speaker 1: to have dinner with any celebrity, who would it be.
Speaker 3: I mean, Taylor Swift is such an obvious answer, but
Speaker 3: I think she'd be a fascinating dinner guest. I mean, really,
Speaker 3: anyone super famous in Hollywood would be great. I'd invite
Speaker 3: Ryan Gosling over for dinner.
Speaker 2: What's your draw to Ryan Gosling? I don't know.
Speaker 3: He seems super smart, and he's super cute, and he
Speaker 3: probably knows a lot of coal people and seems like
Speaker 3: he'd be a fun dinner guest.
Speaker 2: Fun dinner guests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I was thinking about people who are like
Speaker 1: sort of known for conversational ability.
Speaker 2: I mean someone like.
Speaker 1: Oprah right that, I mean, she obviously has had conversations
Speaker 1: with thousands of people, but or someone like John Stuart.
Speaker 1: I actually watched the return of John Stuart to Comedy
Speaker 1: Central his first few opening monologues, and reminded me how
Speaker 1: much I enjoyed watching that back and I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably from twenty ten to twenty fifteen when he left.
Speaker 1: I used to watch it all the time, so always
Speaker 1: enjoy his sense of humor.
Speaker 2: So I'd probably maybe have maybe him. Jerry Seinfeld would
Speaker 2: be funny.
Speaker 1: Seinfeld would be funny too. He's another really good one.
Speaker 1: I've read some of his model, like he has books
Speaker 1: out of some of his material.
Speaker 2: It's always hilarious as well.
Speaker 1: If you had one thousand dollars to spend indulgently, what
Speaker 1: would you spend it on?
Speaker 3: I would I've thought about this since we talked about it.
Speaker 3: I would just put it all on credit at the
Speaker 3: place where I like to get massages, and then I
Speaker 3: would get massages completely guilt free for like you know,
Speaker 3: however many months it lasts like once a month.
Speaker 2: Maybe I need to update my wardrobe. Maybe I just
Speaker 2: like spend it on.
Speaker 1: Nice clothes, but I think I need somebody to shop
Speaker 1: with me because I'd probably spend it.
Speaker 2: Maybe you'd actually spend that money on a stylist. Stylist,
Speaker 2: I think I could be. That could be what is
Speaker 2: your favorite breakfast cereal?
Speaker 3: I don't eat that much breakfast cereal lately, but I
Speaker 3: really enjoy like the really like fancy granola that's like
Speaker 3: all natural and like has no sugar, like not the
Speaker 3: like Nature Valley Brand or something like that, but the
Speaker 3: ones that come in like the little like paper bags,
Speaker 3: or that you buy it some a specialty store, like
Speaker 3: I can get it to that.
Speaker 2: Do they actually taste good or you just feel very
Speaker 2: mrtuous eating it. No, no, no, I love it.
Speaker 3: I actually like it better when it's not like super sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Bola is a really good brand.
Speaker 1: Oh oh la, Yeah, I've never heard of that one. Well,
Speaker 1: my tastes aren't nearly as fancy. I like corn flakes,
Speaker 1: but I do often put granola in them because I
Speaker 1: like a little more crunch, and corn flakes are kind
Speaker 1: of soggy by about ten seconds of putting my almond
Speaker 1: milk on them.
Speaker 2: I also like cheerios. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Cheerios are just good. I enjoy them so but pretty
Speaker 1: much most breakfast here, I can't get early into the
Speaker 1: ones with like the marshmallows.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: My husband eats lucky charms. I cannot fathom like eating
Speaker 1: lucky charms. But because of this, we have lucky charms
Speaker 1: in the house.
Speaker 2: And that's really funny. Do you think he wants it
Speaker 2: publicly known that he's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just shared it, so now now everyone knows a
Speaker 1: fun fact about him.
Speaker 2: Hoops. Sarah.
Speaker 1: If you were to get a tattoo, yes, what would
Speaker 1: it be and where would it be?
Speaker 3: We dissected this and if I was forced under dress
Speaker 3: to get.
Speaker 1: It, she doesn't want a tattoo. By the way, this
Speaker 1: is not this is not upcoming anytime soon.
Speaker 3: I would get like my kids' names, maybe like sj
Speaker 3: ACG so, like our family in like really small letters
Speaker 3: on my.
Speaker 2: Ankle, because like that would be kind of unobtrusive.
Speaker 3: Your ankle's not going to get all like soggy when
Speaker 3: you get older and saggy whatever soggy.
Speaker 2: That's my choice. I was propped probably by the cornflake discussion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, although I've heard that on the bone
Speaker 1: like then on your ankle would be pretty painful.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I have a fairly high pain tolerance,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, ankle could be good or maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, upper arm or something. But I guess I
Speaker 1: would want it somewhere that's unobtrusive. But then if it's
Speaker 1: your lower back you can't see it, so you personally
Speaker 1: can't see it, then what's you know?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I want to be able to
Speaker 2: see it. You want to be able to see it.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe some sort of abstract design I would get,
Speaker 1: But then I have nothing that is important enough to
Speaker 1: me as an abstract design that I'd want.
Speaker 2: It permanently on my body.
Speaker 1: Who can always draw something with a pen if I
Speaker 1: want it on me? So I guess what would take
Speaker 1: from this from this fun fact slash icebreaker question is
Speaker 1: that neither of us are going to be getting a
Speaker 1: tattoo anytime soon.
Speaker 3: What if there's like a random like ad placement for
Speaker 3: like a tattoo parlor.
Speaker 1: This episode, that would be pretty funny if anyone who
Speaker 1: is listening to this as like an adult person has
Speaker 1: a tattoo that you have gotten, like not just as
Speaker 1: like a teenage you know thing you did whim yeah,
Speaker 1: but as an adult like you made a study decision
Speaker 1: to get something.
Speaker 2: We would love to hear about it.
Speaker 1: So please write us and let us know where you
Speaker 1: got it, what it says our shows, and we will
Speaker 1: take that into account.
Speaker 3: If anybody has a best of both worlds tattoo, that
Speaker 3: would be a little scary. I'll send you a free mug.
Speaker 2: I broke one of my mugs. Can you send me
Speaker 2: a free book?
Speaker 3: Oh good, josh On that forwarded them.
Speaker 1: Okay, songs are artists that really take you back to
Speaker 1: formative years of your life. So I guess what songs
Speaker 1: or artists if you heard them, would maybe be like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it is nineteen ninety five all over.
Speaker 3: Again, nineteen ninety five torri umusriamos like that was her
Speaker 3: like Cornflake Girl era, and.
Speaker 2: Speaking of corn flakes, yes, that's the of this episode.
Speaker 2: I guess I am a Cornflake girl.
Speaker 3: Such a good song, such a good albums.
Speaker 1: The Cornflake Girls thought that was a good solution hanging
Speaker 1: with the Raisin Girls. I mean, the lyrics make no
Speaker 1: sense whatsoever on apparently the level that I understand them.
Speaker 3: So listen to some analysis of it, but I don't
Speaker 3: remember what it was. But it actually did have like
Speaker 3: a it had some meaning.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it had a meaning. But yeah, that's made
Speaker 2: a lot into it.
Speaker 1: That is my nineteen ninety five Okay, Cornflake Girl nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five. I got to say that I listened to
Speaker 1: a lot of Indigo Girls in high school.
Speaker 2: I had the.
Speaker 1: Two CD set of there it was live back on
Speaker 1: the bus y'all, I guess is what it was, and
Speaker 1: so it had their greatest hits up until I don't
Speaker 1: know about nineteen ninety five that they had performed live
Speaker 1: various places so you know, I hear something from that.
Speaker 1: Many of their pieces from that Galileo of course, the
Speaker 1: Closer to Fine the into all their concerts with.
Speaker 2: That one featured prominently in Barbie. Oh yeah, well there
Speaker 2: you go watch it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Yes, speaking of things that we could skip to that one.
Speaker 1: Things you are incredibly finicky about, Sarah, What are what
Speaker 1: are you very finicky about?
Speaker 2: Hair care? Hair care? Okay, hair care and.
Speaker 3: Where I get my hair done because, by the way,
Speaker 3: I still do Japanese straightening. I have done it since
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, so coming up on seventeen years.
Speaker 2: And I'm picky. So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like in terms of shampoo you like, do you use
Speaker 1: shampoo like in or condition or anything like?
Speaker 3: I can you use Like I didn't even bring any
Speaker 3: on this trip, So I guess I'm not that finicky.
Speaker 2: I use the hotel stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I prefer like like either the Millbonn brand
Speaker 3: because that's who like does the Japanese training, or like
Speaker 3: there's a brand Sephira that my hair guy recommended that
Speaker 3: I like the smell of a lot.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm picky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out I'm really picky about things I watch,
Speaker 1: which I have not watched many.
Speaker 2: Movies or television shows. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: It's not something I really like doing all that much,
Speaker 1: and so if I'm gonna spend the time on it.
Speaker 2: It has to be something I know I'm gonna want
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things I don't really want to watch,
Speaker 1: so I guess I'm really over the top finicky about that.
Speaker 1: I like it all right, selective, I'm selective. Selective, we'll
Speaker 1: use that word, Sarah. What was the first concert you
Speaker 1: ever went to?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was Bear Naked Ladies at the
Speaker 3: Theater of Living Arts in Philadelphia. Okay, it also could
Speaker 3: have been Tori Emos, Like I was thinking it's one
Speaker 3: or the other.
Speaker 2: When did you go see Toriemos.
Speaker 3: In Philadelphia as well? In like nineteen ninety five or
Speaker 3: six or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen her perform. I've actually never seen
Speaker 1: the Endigo Girls performing there. I seen them too. I
Speaker 1: have some worry that maybe it wouldn't be I don't know,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't play the stuff I'd want them to play,
Speaker 1: and then I'd be one of those people be like,
Speaker 1: were they playing the stuff from like nineteen eighties that
Speaker 1: I want to listen to.
Speaker 3: Well, I saw them in like the nineties or maybe
Speaker 3: the early aughts, and it was a woman fest, like
Speaker 3: everyone was like dancing in the aisles.
Speaker 2: It was an outdoor concert. I think that was at
Speaker 2: the Man.
Speaker 3: Actually, all my good concerts are in Philadelphia where you
Speaker 3: live now, So yeah, I think you should go see
Speaker 3: the Indigo Girls.
Speaker 1: Well, but I need to see them in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: so I got to take that time machine. You got
Speaker 1: to go back to like nineteen ninety five and see
Speaker 1: an Indigo Girls concert.
Speaker 2: Then I think that sounds like a like a good plan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My first concert I ever saw was Michael Bolton, which
Speaker 1: a friend I was in sixth grade, I guess, and
Speaker 1: a friend and I went to. It was like an
Speaker 1: outdoor concert in Raleigh where we lived. So that was
Speaker 1: my first live one. Been to several fun ones since then, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still remember it. It was an event. What did
Speaker 2: you want to be when you grew up?
Speaker 3: I had a few phases, but I feel like the
Speaker 3: one that was fairly consistent was I was interested in
Speaker 3: being a psychiatrist.
Speaker 2: And my idea was.
Speaker 3: Not because I was like highbrow and reading, you know,
Speaker 3: really cool Freudian literature. But because I thought the dad
Speaker 3: on Growing Pains had a really.
Speaker 2: Cool tal.
Speaker 1: You know, being finicky about what we watched, that was
Speaker 1: a good show. It was a good show, all right,
Speaker 1: and apparently a job to aspire it to as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I wanted to be a writer, and then
Speaker 1: in various times thought I might be like a performer
Speaker 1: of some variety, which is probably why I still enjoy
Speaker 1: speaking and enjoy singing in my choir and things like that.
Speaker 2: I was like being up on stage. So there we go.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about childhood activities. What were
Speaker 1: the things that you did in your spare time when
Speaker 1: you were I guess kid, but also like high school,
Speaker 1: like when you were actually thinking about what activities would
Speaker 1: be good for your development or something.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was a very busy high schooler. I was.
Speaker 3: I played the violin pretty seriously, like I would go
Speaker 3: to all the like State I even went to Eastern Orchestra.
Speaker 3: I was really into it. Actually, I don't even know
Speaker 3: if I was into it. I was pretty good at it,
Speaker 3: and I was like leveraging that to get to go
Speaker 3: to fund conferences and.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 3: And then I sang which I actually enjoyed much more
Speaker 3: than playing and I also played piano, so I was
Speaker 3: like super musical. And then I also had this like
Speaker 3: cheerleading side of my life, and they were always kind
Speaker 3: of competing, like I'd miss this to go to that,
Speaker 3: I missed this to go to that, and every won't
Speaker 3: be annoyed, and even like the singing, people were like,
Speaker 3: you can't be screaming because you're a soprano and you
Speaker 3: know states are coming or like whatever.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there was a lot of tension.
Speaker 3: I will say I was much more gifted in the
Speaker 3: music realm than I was in the cheerleading realm by
Speaker 3: a lot. Was very mediocre in the cheerleading realm, but
Speaker 3: I probably enjoyed the cheerleading realm. And oh, speaking of regrets,
Speaker 3: don't know why I didn't like figure out fine running
Speaker 3: back then.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would have really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I would have enjoyed running. YEA, I didn't run as
Speaker 1: a high school or whatever anything like that. I yeah,
Speaker 1: also did piano singing. I remember I did one year
Speaker 1: of cheerleading in eighth grade, partly as a bid to
Speaker 1: seem normal. I guess I did quiz bowl in high school.
Speaker 1: That was something I remember doing. And then when I
Speaker 1: went to my second high school, I wund up being
Speaker 1: part of the school newspaper, which was you know, I
Speaker 1: had various Woodward and Bernstein fantasies that I was no
Speaker 1: doubt attempting to live out to you know, everyone having
Speaker 1: to deal with my like two thousand words screeds that
Speaker 1: were then printed in that newspaper. But the good news
Speaker 1: is that was before most things are on the internet,
Speaker 1: so no one will be able to find it now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you really uh, it's like a
Speaker 1: microfiche somewhere.
Speaker 2: You'd have to be looking into it to go find it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like running for president, you know, someone
Speaker 3: would be like, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: But I'm not running for a president. I also think
Speaker 2: of it sometimes.
Speaker 1: I mean the Daily Princetonian and other things had websites,
Speaker 1: but like it was like the very dawn of this happening,
Speaker 1: and so nobody really can find any of that very
Speaker 1: easily now.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just thank goodness because I think that would have
Speaker 1: been It's often good for your writing to develop more
Speaker 1: in a small market versus being exposed to everyone on
Speaker 1: the planet quickly.
Speaker 2: But speaking of high school.
Speaker 1: Another fun fact Sarah and I discovered about each other
Speaker 1: which we will only indulge in because we think that
Speaker 1: a lot of women are not perceived as being as
Speaker 1: mathematically competent as others for I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: that is. But Sarah, what did you get on the
Speaker 1: math section of the SAT eight hundred?
Speaker 2: What did you get on the math section of the
Speaker 2: SAT eight hundred?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, yay, we didn't get eight hundred on the
Speaker 1: other part, Yeah no, but which it is interesting since
Speaker 1: both of us do a lot of writing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we both apparently I learned enough math to cough it
Speaker 1: back up perfectly on the SAT.
Speaker 2: So yay. Us.
Speaker 1: What have you used consistently, Like any sort of product
Speaker 1: or item you've used consistently since you were in high school?
Speaker 3: I still wear Clinique black Honey almost lipstick. I believe
Speaker 3: it's been the love of the week on this show before.
Speaker 3: But that color is just like it's so good and
Speaker 3: it I feel like so many lipsticks really irritate my
Speaker 3: lips and dry them out, and that one doesn't. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've left their formula unchanged since
Speaker 3: the nineties, but.
Speaker 2: Like it's good it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I realized I should be wearing a slightly more
Speaker 1: pink color than the brown I probably was, And somebody
Speaker 1: told me, he's like, oh, well, the nineties are back,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think I probably got it.
Speaker 2: In the nineties. So I just kept using it so
Speaker 2: moved on.
Speaker 1: But I've been using a Conair curling iron since the nineties.
Speaker 1: I started curling my hair and probably my junior or
Speaker 1: senior year of high school. It is just I have
Speaker 1: very straight hair, but I'd prefer to have a little
Speaker 1: bit more body, so I would curl it. And then
Speaker 1: I kept doing that, and at some point, I think
Speaker 1: it was only like four years ago, the curling iron
Speaker 1: finally gave out. I think I had used it for
Speaker 1: literally twenty five years, and no product really can be
Speaker 1: expected to last quite that long. So shout out to
Speaker 1: con Air. But you know, then had to get another one.
Speaker 2: Connor.
Speaker 3: He has been a show sponsor before, and I will
Speaker 3: mention that I had conn Air Geometrics.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this product?
Speaker 3: No, this was an eighties product, I believe, and it
Speaker 3: was an iron that could do curling, straightening, crimping, and
Speaker 3: triangle curl triangle curls.
Speaker 2: But what was the occasion for that.
Speaker 3: You know, you could like pull out these like interchangeable
Speaker 3: wands to like change you.
Speaker 2: But I got some mileage out of.
Speaker 1: The okay, the crimper, Okay, all right, well that was fine.
Speaker 1: Photos of that if we can. And as long time
Speaker 1: listeners know, I have been dyeing my hair out with
Speaker 1: the same Looreal pre fronts nine and a half a
Speaker 1: boxes forever. So fun fact about me, I guess I
Speaker 1: am quite flexible, especially for a forty five year old woman.
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 1: Sarah asked if I can still do the splits. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to be able to. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can. I by risk injuring myself
Speaker 1: if I am, But I know that at least a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I could in fact do a split.
Speaker 1: So maybe one of the reasons that my back just
Speaker 1: fell apart is that I'm too limber, so it's not
Speaker 1: supported well, and these things are trade offs in life.
Speaker 3: It turns out, yeah, I don't have a corollary to
Speaker 3: that because I'm not flexed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was super flexible.
Speaker 3: But with all your cheerleading, right, all the running just
Speaker 3: kind of like it's that out of you yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Out of me, yes, so Sarah, Sarah is left handed,
Speaker 1: but well no, yeah.
Speaker 3: Some of my sad left handed fact, because I thought
Speaker 3: maybe my genes would be propagated. My parents are with
Speaker 3: left handed, sister's left handed, I am left handed.
Speaker 2: None of my three children are left handed. So that
Speaker 2: gene died in the water.
Speaker 3: So did the red hair gene, which is kind of
Speaker 3: sad because at my wedding my in laws talked about
Speaker 3: having red haired grandchildren, and I did give them grandchildren, but.
Speaker 2: Not redheaded ones. Is your niece left handed? I don't
Speaker 2: think so. You don't think so of there? So that well,
Speaker 2: apparently it's very recessive. Who knew? Yes, so I guess so.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has been a bunch of little
Speaker 1: fun facts about us. Feel free to share your own
Speaker 1: fun facts or your answers to any of these icebreaker questions.
Speaker 1: Google the list. We chose several that from the list,
Speaker 1: we did not get all of them. I don't think
Speaker 1: you want to know what our favorite sandwiches are, though
Speaker 1: maybe that could be its own discussion a whole episode,
Speaker 1: whole episode of our favorite sandwiches. But we will be
Speaker 1: back next week with more on making work in life together.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com
Speaker 3: or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, and you.
Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot This has
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