1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: What is up, Great Fire, fam H's me Jason McIntyre. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Straight Fyre for Friday, May the eighth. It is Mother's 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Day weekend. Happy Mother's Day to everyone out there. Obviously, 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: gotta get the cards, the flowers, the whole shebang. I 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: got invited to play basketball Sunday morning. I'm like, guys, 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: it's Mother's Day. You think I'm gonna wake up at 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: eight o'clock and play basketball on Mother's Day. I can't 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: believe any of the guys are playing. I'm a stunt. Anyways, 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: we got a great, great podcast to take you into 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: Mother's Day weekend, an interview with Gary Washburn of the 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: Boston Globe, who covers the Celtics. Celtics officially a def 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: Con two right now, given the two deficit to the Knicks. 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: I was saying, an ideal Saturday would be wake up, 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: fly or maybe take a red eye tonight, fly to 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: New York and go to the game on Saturday and 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: then head back from Mother's Day. But I just looked 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: at the ticket, not that I would be able to 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: afford this. The ticket prices are ridiculous. It's just gonna 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: be such a huge game at the Garden, crowd's gonna 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: be juiced up. My buddy Nico was like, hey, Nick's 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: first quarter, what do you think. I was like, I 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: don't know, man. You guys saw the Knicks against Detroit 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: one and two at home. Could have closed them out, 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: couldn't do it. Sometimes the home court advantage, the juiced 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: up crowd, everybody fired. I mean, the celebrities are gonna 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: be everywhere. It's like, I don't know, it's just too much. 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: And remember Boston had an extra day now to not 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: only prepare maybe Porzingis is feeling better, but to kind 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: of stew and realize, Hey, here's the predicament. Guys, it's 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: must win. This is the season. You go down three, 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: that's a death sentence. You ain't coming back from O three. 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: Nobody's ever done it, so I actually, I mean, I'm 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: not totally surprised that the Celtics are five and a 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: half point favorites. I don't think they're done in this series. 36 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: I know that sounds crazy, folks. They were the, for 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: my money, the best team all season. I know everybody 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: loves Okac, but this is the Boston juggernaut which took 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: its foot off the gas because they won the title 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: last year. They just couldn't make a three and couldn't close. 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: They led both games by twenty. I would venture to 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: guess if you led by twenty in the second half 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: this year in the NBA, you probably won eighty percent 44 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: of the time. That would just be a guess. Maybe ninety. 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: The Celtics are zero and two, like that's just that 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: doesn't normally happen. They will bounce back. Maybe I'm just 47 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: being a pessimistic Knicks fan, but I have a bad 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: feeling about Game three. I don't think there's any world 49 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: where the Celtics roll over and Knicks win that, but 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: I haven't bet it yet. Also, Friday Friday Night, I 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: don't know if you guys have planned tonight, but you 52 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: know two more road favorites. You've got OKC four and 53 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: a half. It in the altitude at Denver. I'm rooting 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: Denver there, but I don't have a read, no no 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: wager for me. And then Cleveland expected to get all 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: three guys back, Garland, Mobley and Hunter. They are favored 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: in Indiana, now I give anybody there. I like Indiana this. 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: You know I've been bullish on Indiana and a lot 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: of people starting to come around on the old Pacers. 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: I think that series does kind of feel over last 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: night in the Association. It was a crap game. Warriors 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: come out with quintin post starting at center, okay, and 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: they fall down thirteen to nothing, and it was I 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: don't know if it was ever single did just after 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: that Steve Kurd minute afterward. Yeah, we wanted to reduce 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: the minutes on Butler and Healed and Green. No need 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: to press it unless we're in the mix, and they 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: were never in the mix. It was the sole positive 69 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: if your Golden State is well. Kaminga looked pretty good 70 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: in twenty six minutes. He had eighteen points. You know, 71 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: took go bear baseline for a pretty awesome dunk. Trace 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: Jackson Davis, who hasn't played a lot in the postseason, 73 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: looked pretty pretty good. I mean again his garbage time 74 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 2: Minnesota role, but he was actually able to score, which 75 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: is a nice thing for Golden State, which they're gonna 76 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: need without Curry. Julius Randall back to Laker Julius Randall. 77 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: Series for him twenty four points, eleven assists, eleven assists 78 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: for Randall, Aunt turned his Ankle toughed it out, had twenty. 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: He's just not playing great right now. But this was 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: about the Timberwolves bench, So they have the major bench 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: advantage against the Lakers. They have it also against Golden State. 82 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: Nas Reed eleven points, three threes. Dante DiVincenzo, who's I'm 83 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: just telling you, he's starting to goon it up. Man, 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: He's like kind of sort of hitting guys and getting physical. 85 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought he could have got a 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: flagrant and at one point in the first half US 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: what's wrong with him? 88 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: Now? 89 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: He's a tough guy. You know, Villanova, I'm sure you know. 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: You look at him, you don't think, oh, this guy's 91 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: gonna be an NBA player. He's gonna be like a 92 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: Final four was the Final four MVP because he had 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: like seven threes or something. He was in the league 94 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: and he's proven impressive. He had nine and five, and 95 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: then Alexander Walker hit four threes. He had twenty off 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: the bench. So you get that support, and you get 97 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: your usual twenty from Aunt, twenty from Randall, fifteen from McDaniels. 98 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: They're gonna be fine. I think Timberwolves win the series. 99 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: I don't think Steph plays again. The only crappy news 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: from Thursday is the soccer team we own Nikosa home 101 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: playoff game. And now the playoffs are set up in 102 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: this league, the top league in Mexico, where you have 103 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: a home and home and whoever has more goals at 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: the end advances. Well, what if there's a tie, no 105 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: penalty kicks, the top seed, the higher seed advances. So 106 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: we're playing the four seed and we're the five. So 107 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: we're like, all right, we're at home in the opener. 108 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: We just need a goal or two and then we 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: go there up a goal, and then then we got 110 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: to put pressure on them. So we dominate the first half, 111 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: have all the chances, could not finish. Their keeper was excellent, 112 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: and the game end zero zero, kind of deflating. And 113 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: now we got to go to a tough place to 114 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: play Tea Grace. They're loaded. You know, listen, man, it's 115 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: gonna be a tall order to pull off this win. 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: That being said, I wouldn't rule anything. I thought our 117 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: coach had a phenomenal game plan and we had so 118 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: many chances. The keeper on their team was just played 119 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: out of his mind. 120 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: Man. 121 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: He had like three really high end saves. And we 122 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: couldn't find the back of the net. So now the 123 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: next game, the second leg, I believe it's it's either 124 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: Saturday or Sunday. And yeah, I'm gonna have to carve 125 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: out some time. Oh gosh, I hope it's not Mother's Day. 126 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: Is checking the old schedule? Damn it, it is Mother's 127 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Day unless it's Yeah, it's gotta be Mother's Day. Well, 128 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. Unfortunately we have you know, you can 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: watch TV on your phone on with no volume. I 130 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: guess I'll have to do that anyways, Without further ado, 131 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: let's get to our guest, Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe. 132 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 133 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 134 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 135 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy, Jason likes to think 136 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. 137 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: I know what sports fans want. 138 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. 139 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the 140 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome to 141 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: straight fire a guy who. Man, this has got to 142 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: be a tough week. For him because the TV covers 143 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics. They went into this series against the 144 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: nixt thing. Get okay, you know we dominated them last 145 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 2: two seasons. We'll roll over them in five or six. 146 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: Get to the Eastern Conference Finals, and all of a sudden, 147 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: the Celtics are down to Gary Washburn, Boston Globe. Listen, man, 148 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: this has been a just tell me what your life 149 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: has been like over the last like say, ninety six hours. 150 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's flipped from you know, oh boy, Cleveland lost 151 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: and maybe they won't face Cleveland and Eastern Conference finals 152 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: to now they've got a they're fighting for their survival. 153 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: I mean, they're fighting for kind of a legacy, Jason, 154 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: because oh, this team is you know, wanted to the 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 4: dreams of repeating. They wanted to be the first Celtic 156 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: team to repeat since sixty eight sixty nine. And they 157 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: said all the right things all year, and they finished 158 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 4: with sixty one wins and they rested up porzingis you know, 159 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: you missed the first six weeks this season and made 160 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: sure put them on bubble wrap during the season and 161 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: make sure he was he was healthy, and everything was 162 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: supposed to work out, and suddenly a seventy two hour 163 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: stretch where they blow two twenty point leads to suddenly 164 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: turned their season into well, you know how to what 165 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: are we going to do now? It puts everything in 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: a jeopardy with new ownership for the summer. Do you 167 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: keep this team together for one more run? Do you 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: move somebody? A lot rides in this series because, as 169 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 4: you know, Jason, no team, no defending champions made it 170 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: past a second round since the Warriors in eighteen. 171 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: Lave me. The Celtics know that. The Celtics have. 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 4: Been made aware that getting to the conference finals would 173 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: be a big achievement for them because it is hard 174 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 4: to repeat. We saw with Denver last year, very similar situation, Jason, 175 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 4: Denver got basically blown out at home. Remember that year 176 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: ago by Minnesota and everybody was saying, Minnesota's going to 177 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 4: go the finals, they're the best team in the West, 178 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 4: and Denver made it a seven game series and the 179 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: losing it on their home floor. But we'll see what 180 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: the Celtics are about in Game three. 181 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to start. Let's go with Porzingi 182 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: since you brought him up. They did rest of them 183 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: all season. They tried to keep him healthy, so he's 184 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: good for the playoffs, and now he's got this mystery 185 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: illness where they don't seem to know what it is. 186 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: I've tried to read around. Nobody seems to have a 187 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: beat on what's going on with him. He does not 188 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: look like himself. And I don't want to say they 189 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: didn't plan, but Al Horford clearly cannot log thirty minutes 190 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: at this age. Bob Brumson just putting him in a 191 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: blunder on repeat. 192 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, al Al turns thirty nine 193 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 4: in June, so it's great to have him out there. 194 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 4: He's still a productive NBA player, but they're relying on 195 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: him too much. And with Porzingis, this has had no 196 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 4: idea this was gonna happen. I mean, he missed eight 197 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 4: games in March with this illness. He came back. I 198 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: think he logged forty minutes in a game during the 199 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: playoffs and that Orlando serie like it looked like he 200 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 4: was getting back to normal. Although he didn't have a 201 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 4: good series against Orlando. They were a little physical with him, 202 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: but it looked like, Okay, they'll have a fresh ready 203 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 4: to go motivated. Obviously, Worzingas was drafted by the Knicks 204 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: and was supposed to be their cornerstone and one of 205 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: their franchise guys coming into the you know, the last 206 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 4: decade coming into this one, and it didn't work out. 207 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: So he's not exactly well liked in New York because 208 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: of his departure and asking out. So you thought he'd 209 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: be motivated and maybe ready to go, and suddenly, you know, 210 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 4: during game one, this illness hits him, and he comes 211 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 4: out in Game two for five minutes in the first half, 212 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: looks basically lethargic, like he shouldn't be out there. Then 213 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 4: comes back in the second half and makes some plays 214 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: and hit some shots, and so then he tells after 215 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 4: the game he's still dealing with the same thing he 216 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 4: did in March, and you know, it put him, really 217 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: put him down in game one. So, like you said, 218 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 4: we have no idea what it is, what kind of illness. 219 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: You don't want to speculate, what kind of virus it is. 220 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: Is it something he'll have to be completely examined and 221 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: treated when the season's over. 222 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: We don't know. 223 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: We just know probably he's he's gonna play game three, 224 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 4: but who knows how long. 225 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go now, to Joe Missoula, I don't know. 226 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: I chucked up Game one as kind of hey man, 227 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: they took too many threes. They were a lot of 228 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: open threes. This didn't make them. Game two, the bounce back, 229 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: they lead by twenty but down the stretch to get 230 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: outscored twenty three to six. And I mean, at some point, 231 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: I get it, Tatum is under delivered this series. But 232 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: the starters were two for eighteen and the fourth quarter 233 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: game of Game two, like, at some point it's been like, 234 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: can Missoula get this under control? Like, I don't know. 235 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: I saw the Pacers get when they needed to come 236 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: back against the Cavs in Game two, they just went 237 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: to Miles Turner on the pick and roll down at 238 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: twenty six points in the paint bustin just not making 239 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: any adjustments. It fields what's going on with Missoula. 240 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel he believes they're getting the good shots. 241 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 4: And having obviously cover this team for a long time 242 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 4: and watching this team this year, you could have knocked 243 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 4: me over with a feather to tell me that they 244 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 4: would miss seventy five out of one hundred. 245 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: Threes in this series. 246 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 4: I would have guessed their best case scenario is taking 247 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: fifty threes a game. So the fact that they've taken 248 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: a hundred, that's good for them. They like that, right, 249 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 4: hitting twenty five, including ten for forty in game two. 250 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: W would have never expected it because what they've tried 251 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 4: to do with this roster in line it with shooters. 252 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 4: Pritchard why Holliday can knock down at three, Tatum is 253 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 4: a streaky three point shooter, though he's capable of knocking 254 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 4: them down. Brown is two, although they're minus shooters this year. Jason, 255 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 4: So if I'm the Knicks and I'm sure, hey, shoot 256 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: for three, you know you're thirty two percent, that's not 257 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 4: gonna unscare us. Now if they if you get on 258 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 4: a heater, that might be a dangerous game plan, but 259 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 4: that hasn't happened. So I think Missoula really truly believes 260 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: that they've gotten good shots, they've missed them, and I 261 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: just think they are myth as to what's going on here. 262 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: How Come they can't make get fourth quarter stops? How 263 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: come Miles Bridges turns into uh, you know, Steph in 264 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter when he goes oh for eight in 265 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 4: the first three quarters. How comes suddenly he can't miss 266 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 4: down the stretch, like why they're looking in saying, why 267 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 4: are these bad things happening to us? 268 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: What have we done? 269 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 4: How come the Knicks, who have scored a hundred nate 270 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: not you know, they didn't play bad defensively in Kay 271 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: one and ninety one, have won both games, and and 272 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: they've done the Cells have done a good defensive job 273 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: against Brunson. So I don't think Missoula looks and says 274 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: I need to change our offense. I think maybe the 275 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 4: approach change in Game two with more you know, paint points, 276 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: attacks in the middle, trying to get to the free 277 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: throw line. 278 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: But I just think they're they're sitting there saying, where 279 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 3: did this come from? How come we turned into the 280 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: Washington Generals literally in overnight after a rough series against 281 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: Orlando where they won it with you know, grittin and 282 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: how come? And then how come and this is a 283 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: big point too mentally, how come we're looking behind? How 284 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: come the Celtics up twenty are literally looking behind them 285 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: like they're gonna catch this. 286 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: Oh my god, they're gonna catch this. Oh my god, 287 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: it's fourteen, Oh my god, it's eleven. Oh, here's McBride Oh, 288 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: he's gonna hit this one. Oh boy, Like that's what 289 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: the fans are thinking, and honestly, what's what the team 290 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: is thinking. They're not playing to win, They're playing not 291 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 4: to lose. They're playing the prevent defense. Where they're playing, 292 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 4: they're playing to just hang on, and they just and 293 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: they're not hanging on. 294 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: It feels like Jason Tatum is bearing the brunt of 295 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: the criticism. And I get it. He has not been good. 296 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: I've been a Tatum defender, even though I don't like 297 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: Boston Sports teams. You know, born in New York. But 298 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what to make a Tatum. This is 299 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: four straight years he's gonna be first team All NBA. 300 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Gary, we're looking at a top five player 301 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: in the league for four straight seasons. That's what over 302 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: two hundred I mean, probably almost three hundred games of 303 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: data that Jason Tatum is a superstar, and it's he's 304 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: had two bad games, Like, what do we make of him? 305 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this. He's not clutch. I 306 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: know the game six against Milwaukee and the game seventy 307 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: where he went off against the Sixers, like he's a 308 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: great player. What has happened to Tatum one. 309 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: I think the ogn Andobi. I mean, if you look 310 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: at those matchups over the years, Anonob is a big 311 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 4: and then always like a unicorn man. I mean, he's 312 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 4: an old school NBA player. You look at him physically, 313 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: as I've said, you do not want to see him 314 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: in a dark alley. Ananobi's a built, big, athletic dude. 315 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: I mean, he's the guy you look and you're picking 316 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: him first on your team, right in terms of you 317 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: playing pickup, that's the guy I won. He gonna make 318 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 4: some hat so I think he doesn't want to take 319 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: Ananobi one on one, So he's trying to devise ways 320 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: to score without really having to take on that one 321 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: on one matchup, and that's affecting his offense. 322 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: And he's settling for those Kobe like fadeaways. Those He 323 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: took those and missed a lot of those in his 324 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: early career. He was trying to be Kobe. 325 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: Junior in his early years. Right then he learned how 326 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 4: to master that shot. But when they're contested and he's 327 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: facing good defenders like a Mitchell Robinson or Ananoverer, even 328 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: a Miles Bridge sorry Michel Bridges, then it's a more 329 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: difficult shot, and he's missing those shots. I mean, you 330 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: saw that wide open three he had that would have 331 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 4: made it a nine point game with three and a 332 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 4: half left. If he hits that shot, Jason, the Celtics 333 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: likely win the game. It's hard to lose a nine 334 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: point lead with three, although with the Celtics in this 335 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 4: series it is probably possible. 336 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: But he missed it. He you know, it was like 337 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: they just said, hey, Jason, go ahead. Shoot. 338 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: They are in his head and he's got to get 339 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: out of his head and he's got to look in 340 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 4: the mirror. He's got to say, I'm the best NF 341 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: on the floor. I'm better than Brunson, I'm the best dude. 342 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: I'm the one that everybody needs to I'm on all 343 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: the commercials like and it's here's got to be a 344 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: soul search, you know, over the next forty eight hours 345 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 4: before that game, three Saturday afternoon in New York, and 346 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: we all know everybody's going to be in the house 347 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 4: at MSG. 348 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: That is going to be a Rash's atmosphere, and he's. 349 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: Got to show his best because he is being dragged obviously, 350 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 4: you have to the Olympic experience, and he didn't win 351 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: finals MVP last year Jalen Brown won. He didn't win 352 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 4: Insterra Conference MVP. Jalen Brown won that two that Tatum's 353 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 4: reputation is taking hits and he feels scrutinized. Well, this 354 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 4: is kind of why when you go one for twelve 355 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter of Games one and two. 356 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 357 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 358 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 359 00:17:59,280 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: listen live. 360 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 2: I will say the whole you know, Olympic snub. I 361 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: get Kerr not wanting to play him above Kevin Durant 362 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: and Lebron you know, like too historically great plays. But 363 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: the weird part is like the finals VP Eastern Conference. 364 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: It almost reeks of Steph Curry. Remember when Igudala won 365 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: the MVP. Yes, then the seventy three win Warriors lost, 366 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: and then Kevin Durant wins two finals MVPs with him. 367 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: It almost feels like that. And I wonder do you 368 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: think that this stuff matters to Tatum? I don't know, 369 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: you're around the guy all the time. Does he care 370 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: about that stuff? 371 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: Well? 372 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: I think he wants to be recognized for his growth 373 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 4: and his versatility. He wants to be recognized for his 374 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 4: ability not only to score, but to rebound, because he's 375 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: a plus rebounder, because you would not consider him a 376 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 4: physical player. You would consider Jason Moore of a finess player. 377 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: But he grabs ten rebounds a game, He gets his 378 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 4: hands dirty, and he has become a much better overall willing. 379 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: Passer over the last several years. As I said before, 380 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: early in his career he had a lot of Kobe 381 00:18:59,800 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: in it. 382 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: He was just trying to take two difficult like, hey man, 383 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 4: that's Kobe, and that was Kobe year eight, year nine. 384 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: That was not Kobe in ninety eight, right, that was 385 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 4: Kobe in two thousand and six. The stuff you're trying 386 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 4: to do. So to me, Jason has just felt probably 387 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: a little bit overlooked and disrespected from the terms of like, 388 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: look at the player I've grown into, and he's only 389 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 4: twenty seven, right, and he's about to you know, he's 390 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: in his eighth year. So he feels like I deserve more. 391 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: Then he put the team on his back of that 392 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 4: game five against Dallas to close it out. He went 393 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: thirty one. He almost had a triple double. I mean, 394 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 4: and he felt like, you know, in the vote, he 395 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 4: was closed. I think it was five to four or 396 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: something like that or seven, you know. For the MVP vote. 397 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 4: I gave him my vote. I gave Jalen to vote 398 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 4: for Eastern Conference. I gave Jason the vote for Finals 399 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 4: MVP because I just thought he closed the game out 400 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 4: when it was a kind of an important game. 401 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: He didn't want to go back to Dallas three to. 402 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: Two, lead them in points and rebounds and assistant. 403 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: Totally all categories, you know. 404 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 4: But Jalen's d Luca was exceptional, and I think that's 405 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: what one of them obviously the MVP. And so I 406 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: think Jason maybe feels a little slidered in comparison to 407 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: guys like ant Man and other guys who have been 408 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: get gotten this instant respect. And he looks and goes, well, 409 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: ant Man hasn't even been to a finals. I won one, 410 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: I lost one, but I've been to two and I 411 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: got a chip. What you know, what are you gonna like? 412 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 4: You know the whole what are you gonna say? 413 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: Now? 414 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 4: So, but then he does these these two games on 415 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: the biggest stage, and even though Brunston hasn't had a 416 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: great series. Brunson's been the closer. He scored the he 417 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: scored the nixt last six points in game two. So 418 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 4: Brunson has showed up when it counted. They did Sells 419 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 4: meet Jason Taye to do the same. 420 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: Is it is it weird to be like we're relitigating 421 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: players after one game at age of twenty seven twelve, 422 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: Like Josh Allen loses to Mahomes almost every year in 423 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: the playoffs. Nobody's like, ah, he's not that good, He's 424 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: not the you know, Josh Allen MVP Lamar two m 425 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: VP's like, it's just to win championships. Can we just 426 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 2: say that? Like it just feels like they're piling on. 427 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. So about two months ago, 428 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: you know, when the Yannis stuff, it was very clear 429 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: that the Bucks were not going anywhere. It felt like 430 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: to me like the Celtics could be a landing spot 431 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: for Yiannis. Given the luxury tax, the new owners, they're 432 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: gonna have to mess up the roster or tweak it. 433 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: And Brian Windhorst came out today and talked about how, 434 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: hey man, they're gonna be tweaking things this offseason. Win 435 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: or lose against the Knicks. Is there any of that 436 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: vibe in the locker room? Are you feeling that and 437 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: sensing that, hey, Man Giannis could be coming in KD 438 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: Who knows bare Mannabayo, I have no clue career, but 439 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: do you get a sense that this maybe, which sounds crazy, 440 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: the last run for this crew together. 441 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that has to be seeking into the 442 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: locker room one because there's new owners, right, and as 443 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: much as every new owner says, Hey, I'm gonna do 444 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 4: this and I'm gonna revitalize this and I'm gonna build, 445 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 4: you know, even though our practical facility is a year old, 446 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: I'm building a new one. Like every owner talks all 447 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 4: the mumbo jumbo about what's he gonna do with the 448 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: franchise and he ends up he or she here, They 449 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: end up being, you know, penny pinching. So we don't 450 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 4: know what's in the mind of new ownership, right. And 451 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: then with the second apron the Celtics, are you staying 452 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 4: there too long? Your draft picks start getting frozen, So 453 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: now you're impacting the later years of Tatum or you're 454 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: packed impacting your ability to build and rebuild in the 455 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 4: five years from now in the two thousand and thirties. 456 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: So you're you know, maybe that that kid probably right 457 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 4: now is probably in tenth grade, right, but your effect 458 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 4: impacting your ability to draft a new superstar right now 459 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 4: who's gonna be a one and done in five or 460 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 4: six years. 461 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 3: So the Celtics have to be aware of their salaries. 462 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: They knew putting this team together was gonna be pricey, 463 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: but they were trying to get two titles out of 464 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: this because remember, Jason, the Big Three. Obviously, the original 465 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: Big Three had three titles, the one in two thousand 466 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: and eight, they only got one they lost Game seven 467 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 4: and the other team. This group wanted to look and go, 468 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: you know what we did because if that eight team, 469 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 4: we always we hear so much about that eight team 470 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 4: in that title. 471 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: I mean, they have milked that damn title. Let's be honest. 472 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: We've seen the thirty thirty, We've seen everything. If they 473 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: had won in twenty ten, just imagine the lord they 474 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: would have gotten if they had won two in three years, 475 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 4: right and beaten Kobe twice. So this team says, we 476 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 4: want to be the first Celtic team since sixty eight 477 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 4: sixty nine to repeat. We want to make history. We 478 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 4: don't want to just be a one and done. You 479 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: don't want to be the Denver Nuggets. You don't want 480 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: to be the Toronto Raptors. You don't want to be 481 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 4: all these teams, the Bucks, all these teams that have 482 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 4: won and they couldn't even get back to the finals 483 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: the next year. 484 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: This team wanted to make history. But now if they 485 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 3: lose a series, especially what tweaked, it makes it makes 486 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: tweaks more excusable because if you win a title, second 487 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: consecutive title, do you break up that team? Do you 488 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: pull a Jerry Krause in ninety eight and just say, 489 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: all right, we're just breaking everything up because we can't 490 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: afford it. 491 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 4: That wouldn't be a good look in Boston. So this 492 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: series could determine the fate of some. 493 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: Of their players. 494 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: If you had to guess, Gary, we'll wrap up on this, 495 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: And again it's really speculative. You may not even want 496 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: to answer. If the Celtics decide, hey, let's say they 497 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: lose to the Knicks, we're gonna move Tatum or Brown? 498 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: Who do you think is more likely to be moved 499 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: out of those that duo? Because they're so assuming you're 500 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: getting the honest you got to part with those big sellaries. 501 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: I don't think you can get like Holiday White in 502 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: a package without partying with one of those two top guys. 503 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, they would probably have to be Brown just for this, 504 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: just for the sake of like Tatum is that guy. 505 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: Tatum's a guy. I mean, both of their guys are 506 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 4: gonna have their numbers retired, and I don't think they're 507 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: gonna go after a guy like Gianni's. I think they're 508 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 4: gonna have to probably. I think the best case scenario, 509 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: Jason is for them to keep Tatum and Brown together 510 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 4: and then do something with Porzingis or Holiday, because Holliday 511 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: is like a thirty seven million dollars option, try to 512 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: keep the core of the team together. Like Porzingis's contract 513 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 4: comes up first, Holliday has one more year been a 514 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: thirty seven million dollar option when he's like thirty seven, 515 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 4: so that might be the contract eventually that gets moved 516 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 4: to save money. And then they're gonna have to rely 517 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 4: obviously on their drafting, on their young players, the guys 518 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 4: like Peyton Pritchett that don't make a lot that can 519 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 4: come into bigger roles. 520 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: So they're gonna have to figure some things out. 521 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 4: It could be they take two to three steps back 522 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 4: before they get back up, because they've got to get 523 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 4: out of that second apron because you don't want to 524 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 4: live there. 525 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 3: That's not a place to live. 526 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 4: Even though I mean, obviously, as we saw with the Warriors, 527 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 4: the Warriors spend so much money during those those championship 528 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 4: years that other owners got jealous and said, we've got 529 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: to stop teams like the Warriors from basically spending to win. 530 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: We want to make the playes frol a little bit 531 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 4: more level. And that's where these apron stuff comes in. 532 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: So the Celtics are gonna have to make some adjustments. 533 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 4: I think they'll try to work with a Porzingis or 534 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 4: holiday thing because of their age. And obviously with Porzingis, 535 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 4: his lack of you know, availability over going. 536 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: For Tatum or Brown. Tatum though, is Tatum's gonna stay 537 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: all right? 538 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: Gary Washburg. So the game they're calling it the biggest 539 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: game at MSG this century, Game three Saturday. If the 540 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: nixt win, it's over. Nobody's come back from down oh three. 541 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: If the Celtics win, you know, everybody in New York's 542 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: gonna be nervous. It's gonna be a juiced up scene there, 543 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: Gary uh Good, you know. Good Luck covered the game 544 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: in the series. It's it's just got fascinating very much. 545 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: So, thank you. Jays appreciate it right, thank you.