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Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: another episode of Short and Sweet, Sweet Sweet Sweet. Today

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Speaker 2: We're we're doing best relationship advice. Uh huh, all this

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Speaker 2: is I've had some bad advice too. Yeah, you should

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Speaker 2: talk about good and bad advice that you and I

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Speaker 2: have both gotten.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, I just for some reason, like a lightning

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Speaker 1: rod moment, it just like came to my brain, like

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Speaker 1: the worst advice when you just said that. Tell me well,

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Speaker 1: and I understand why it existed, and I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: some value to it, but remember when it used to

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Speaker 1: be well it probably is still my god.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'm just okay. I have a feel you're gonna

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Speaker 2: say what I was thinking to.

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Speaker 1: You, but go, oh, I don't know. Another's pressure. No,

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Speaker 1: just this like hard to get hard to get at,

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Speaker 1: like that you're meant to be unavailable and that you're

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Speaker 1: meant to manufacture or somehow strategize this unavailability to then

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Speaker 1: create more intrigue or like stir up the wanting. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like that advice really messed with my head

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Speaker 1: when I was dating.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard though, because if you're the only one,

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Speaker 2: I feel like everyone in their like teens twenties has

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Speaker 2: that advice or feels that way. And so then if

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Speaker 2: you're the only one not playing the game, yes, then

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Speaker 2: that like what does that do?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Do you look desperado? Like if someone waits like five

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Speaker 2: hours to write you back and then you text back immediately,

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Speaker 2: are you desperate Dan? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Good for you. You came up with a differ man's name.

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Speaker 1: It's not desperate Bob.

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Speaker 2: It's only because the saying is desperate Dan. Oh where's

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Speaker 2: that saying? It's like, oh wait, now it's making me

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Speaker 2: think that like a desperate Dan and I have my

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Speaker 2: brother's name is Dan? Have we just been teasing him

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Speaker 2: about that?

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Speaker 1: I thought I was a.

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Speaker 2: Real it was a worldwide thing.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard about desperate Dan.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, it's a desperate dad. It's

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Speaker 2: a is a comic book character. Yeah, it makes you

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Speaker 2: for a second there, I thought we had just invented

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Speaker 2: to make fun of my brother, which is completely possible. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're then a desperate dad and like you're the and

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Speaker 2: then they're like wow eager.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, I think I probably was when I

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Speaker 2: You want to, Yeah, of course you want to. You're

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Speaker 2: so excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the worst piece of advice I ever got

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Speaker 2: was to basically, like in the early days, really keep

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Speaker 2: up appearance says like there was no like yeah you

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Speaker 2: can meet up and like not be all decked out makeup,

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Speaker 2: I was red carpet ready for good, you know, three

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Speaker 2: months of dating. It was not a leg out. And

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Speaker 2: also I did the whole thing in Bridesmaids where I

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Speaker 2: was set out of bed and I did the makeup.

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Speaker 1: Why roll out of bed, steak out of bed, make

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Speaker 1: sure that you look all the ways, get back in bed,

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Speaker 1: be like I just woke up. Yes, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: I screw that. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I was cute. I didn't feel cute that that part

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Speaker 1: of life has been erased from my memory. And just

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Speaker 1: like the even the idea of having like how did

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Speaker 1: we ever get through any of it? Those early days

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, far, I remember being on dates. This is

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Speaker 2: so tragic. I'vem being on dates and feeling like I

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Speaker 2: And also part of it was because, like in case

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was always like I didn't

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Speaker 2: No, I wanted. I wanted the mac and cheese with

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Speaker 2: the with all the trimmings. Yeah, but I wasn't gonna

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Speaker 2: full meal. That's life in my twenties.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's our life now. Definitely is our life now?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I'm like, hold the tomato, a.

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Speaker 1: Bucket of wings, and then a bikini. I'm with them,

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Speaker 2: Okay, best piece of my relationship advice. I had someone

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Speaker 2: I was bad in my early twenties with name calling

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Speaker 2: and I in fights with my boyfriend. Oh really bad mean,

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Speaker 2: oh mean, not like but I would call asshole, you know,

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Speaker 2: low blows in my twenties, you know. And I realized

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Speaker 2: someone said to me, like, the second you lose respect

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Speaker 2: for each other and do that like, there's really no

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Speaker 2: coming back some most of the time. And I realized

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Speaker 2: with I want, probably Matt, but maybe even the boyfriend

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Speaker 2: before Matt, I started to really watch myself. And now

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Speaker 1: Better at that. You're a real firecracker, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got I had to tone it down.

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Speaker 1: You were at like a twelve.

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Speaker 2: I was at thirteen, and I.

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Speaker 1: Really wanted you at like an eight.

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Speaker 2: Even an eight. It was a little feisty.

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Speaker 1: I had to really put some water on it. I

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Speaker 1: remember being fighting. I remember some feisty times.

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Speaker 2: Were you ever like you listen you fucking did you

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Speaker 2: ever like do those in fights?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a good thing. It's not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I was. It took a lot to get me there,

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Speaker 1: but then it was like you kind of wished I'd

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I should have said I don't really

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Speaker 1: When I was at like at the eight. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I waited till I got pushed.

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Speaker 2: I waited to the thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I think I waited until like twenty nine. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then I was like, hold my purse, you mother. It

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Speaker 1: like the other person would be like, wow, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: good advice.

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Speaker 2: That's good advice. The call the crew also has some advice,

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Speaker 2: had some advice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We didn't ask for the bad advice.

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Speaker 1: Wait, sorry, wait, one more thing to add to this.

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Speaker 1: Only because I think that it's like it's something that

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Speaker 1: some either you will easily guess about me or you won't.

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Speaker 1: I in middle school you had to take debate in

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Speaker 1: seventh grade, and when you take debate, proper debate, you

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Speaker 1: have to argue. You don't know which side you're going

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Speaker 1: to argue. So every year, like the debate whatever they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I would have made a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I loved I loved the logic of it.

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Speaker 1: I loved I actually also really loved walking my talk here.

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Speaker 1: I loved trying to see it from someone else's point

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Speaker 1: some of the things that I did because they were

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Speaker 1: not my opinion, my personal opinion, but having to argue

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Speaker 1: one of my you know, one of the first jobs

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Speaker 1: I ever the real jobs I ever had, was for

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Speaker 1: David Kelly, who's just one of the most genius wordsmiths

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Speaker 1: of all time. I've gotten to work for some pretty

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Speaker 1: great I announcements and you know, the show. It was

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Speaker 1: think that stuff's really exciting and fun. Prove people wrong,

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Speaker 2: Yay, I love that too. Who doesn't love that? Come on, Okay.

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Speaker 2: We asked the crew, We're going to go through your

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Speaker 2: best relationship advice and share it. Share it with everybody.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl said, communication is key, but understanding one another is

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Speaker 2: even more important.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Yeah, but I don't always understand sometimes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I sometimes do go. Yeah, I don't really understand, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what it's like to be you in

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Speaker 1: this moment and feel the way you do. I could

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Speaker 1: respect it, but I might not always understand it.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe that's what she's getting it because I

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Speaker 2: agree with you too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sienna said, the best relationship advice I've received is

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Speaker 1: to put down all of my issues on paper. Odds

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Speaker 1: are they are built differently than what you built them

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Speaker 1: in your head to be?

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Speaker 2: Mmmm, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: I like that. Uh date your spouse agree? Yes, Jennifer, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I like to be wooed. So does Matt like a

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Speaker 2: little wooing.

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Speaker 1: Lazy said, those who don't put effort in for you

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Speaker 1: aren't worth your effort into them. I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I've let them, Hannah. My mom always told me to

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Speaker 2: bring a newer guy. I am seeing tour sports event,

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Speaker 2: watch a big game and see if he re acts crazy.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chico said, the best way to get over someone

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Speaker 1: is to get under someone else.

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Speaker 2: Chico, I don't agree. I don't agree. Oh do you.

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Speaker 1: I'm having to really think back. I think it can

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Speaker 1: be a distraction, but no, does it.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes it can make you miss the other person.

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Speaker 1: Especially if the one that the new one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it can make you if they're you know, you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh it was gross. Say thank you often, even for

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Speaker 2: the little things. Recognizing efforts makes a huge difference. I

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Speaker 2: agree with that. Oh my god, it goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Juliana said, resolve the argument before you both go

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Speaker 2: thirteen years. Baby. Yeah, baby, I don't know. When you're young,

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Speaker 2: you do stupid stuff. I think if you're an habitual cheater,

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Speaker 1: I also think that some people feel comfortable, like maybe

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Speaker 2: The truth a little yes, why yes?

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's like shares some space with cheating.

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Speaker 1: that could be something that lasts for quite a while. Agreed,

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Speaker 1: yep uh Raley said, if you have to beg for

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we're not begging you guys, No way, Lena said.

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Speaker 2: My bestie once said, relationships are like a fart. If

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Speaker 2: you're if you have to force it, it's probably shit.

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Speaker 1: It gets me every I can't be a part of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm I wish you'd read that one. Actually, Jess, we

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Speaker 2: I think it's simple. I think that's simple, and I agree,

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Speaker 1: Amelia says, no message is a message. I agree that's

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Speaker 2: Okay, Bridget, don't let friends or family's opinions influence you, Bridget.

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Speaker 2: I I've had some friends that have had some blinders on,

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Speaker 2: and it gets tricky because you want to help. First off,

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Speaker 2: Because I have given unsolicited advice before. In my past, and.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if that boyfriend or girlfriend is renting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, and you know yeah, yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: Uh, Laura says, do you like him or the idea

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, do you like him in real life

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, Larissa, maintain your individuality and keep

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Speaker 2: you've seen this happen. Oh for sure. A person's like

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Speaker 2: suddenly you're like, who, where'd my friend go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Sucks? Yep, Okay, Michelle has this is a very

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Speaker 1: specific one. If there were two steaks on a plate,

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Speaker 2: That's really I like that. It's kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: And he does stuff like that'll time, and it reminds

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Speaker 2: she talks about, like how if you get yes, he

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Speaker 1: I'm still on sweet Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does cute things like that. He gives me

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Speaker 2: you keep that gup because I love him big. Okay, Tatum, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I like this one. If you wouldn't let your daughters

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Speaker 2: go through it, don't let yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I feel like you've

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Speaker 1: you're like, think about baby, Jess.

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Speaker 2: I know we've talked about baby Jess. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I think we should end on that one.

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Speaker 1: I like caretaking of our little selves, of our smaller selves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you might not have a daughter yet, you

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Speaker 2: might be near twenties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but just pretend like you did, Pretend like you're

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Speaker 1: your own daughter, Pretend like you matter more than anyone

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Speaker 2: Well, we got out. We've talked about being the cheerleader

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Speaker 2: for yourself, your you need to be your your number

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Speaker 2: one fan for you.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you gotta do it.

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 1: It helps a few of other fans too.

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Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, yeah, of course, of course, but sometimes yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love it, you guys, I love all of these.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take some of these best relationship advice. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna actually now I'm gonna also. I

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Speaker 1: love when we do these and then I hear more

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Speaker 1: that next week I'll be like out in the world

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Speaker 1: and I'll hear someone relationship advice. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and then we can bring it back to the pod.

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Speaker 2: All right, everyone, thank you for listening, and we will

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Speaker 2: call this the end. Of the episode