1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: What's going on with all this Epstein stuff. I will 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: give you my thoughts. We also are going to bring 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: in Mike Ben's, who is going to drop more information 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: on you than you can possibly fathom. We'll touch on 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: those horrible floods in Texas and more coming up on 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: my Okay, I know what's on your mind, and I'm 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: going to warn you right now that this show is 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: going to be incredibly informative, especially when Mike Ben's joins 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: us here in about ten minutes. But I'm about to 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 1: say some things that may make you angry. And I've 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: done this before, I will do it again because here's 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: what happens. We can all of us, myself included, We 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: can find ourselves getting whipped up in the mob, the 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: rage mob, anger over something. Oftentimes that anger is justified. 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Oftentimes that anger is righteous. But you're mad about it, 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: and he's mad about it, and he's mad about it. 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: And so perhaps right now you're turning tuning into I'm right, 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, well, Jesse's about to sign on here 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: and call everybody at the FBI a bunch of dirty 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: criminals and pambodies a dirty criminal. And Jeffrey Epstein did it, 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: and the government's covering it up, and well kind of 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to do some of that, but here's the 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: reality of it. We form a picture in our mind 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: of what has happened. We form a picture. Most people 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: have this picture in their mind. Jeffrey Epstein, wealthy billionaire, 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: trafficked underage women to the most powerful people in the 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: world in conjunction with the government, FBI, CIA, somebody and 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: now the government in order to cover its own rear 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: end they're covering the entire thing up. I would bet 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: you money that's exactly the picture you have in your mind. 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not telling you you're wrong, by the way, 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: But what happens is once you get that sure in 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: your mind, you want everybody you listen to on the 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: radio or watch on the television said you want them 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: to confirm what you have in your mind. So allow 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: me to explain my thoughts. I know about the leak, 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: the Axios leak, where there's a no client list. The 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: FBI says that there's no evidence Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing 39 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: somebody and that there's no client list, and people are 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: bringing up things like Pam Bondi and her going on 41 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: TV and saying things like this. 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Well, that really happened. 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm 46 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process 47 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: of being reviewed because that was done at the directive 48 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: of the president from all of these agencies. 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: So so, have you seen anything that you said, Oh, 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: my gosh, not yet. Okay, So let's be adults about 51 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: this and let's walk through this. Did Pam Bondy say 52 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: there was a list? You just watched the clip. Did 53 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy say there was a client list? No, that's 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: what the host said. I'm not criticizing the host. I'm 55 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: not even criticizing Bondi. She said, it's on my desk. 56 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: What's on her desk a file? A file created by 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: whom we don't know that it was Jeffrey Epstein's file. 58 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Do you believe that, if Jeffrey Epstein was a criminal 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: trafficking underage women, that he had a Microsoft word document 60 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: on his computer that says client list on it? Is 61 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: that what you believe. Pause on that for a moment. 62 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: You know who John Connolly is. You ever heard that name. 63 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm being a sidetrack for a moment. Just stay with me. 64 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: John Connolly was an FBI agent. John Connolly had a friend, 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: quite a friend, friend from childhood, a friend whose name 66 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: you do know for sure. His name is Whitey Bulger, 67 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: famous famous Boston area gangster. They had known each other 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: since they were children. Whitey Bulger chose a different path 69 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: and John Connolly chose the FBI. Now, Whitey Bulger, as 70 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: you can imagine, knew a whole lot about the underworld, 71 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of things, drugs, dealings with the Italian mafia, 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: structures of families. Anybody who's that high up in the 73 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: underworld is going to be a wealth of information. John Connolly, 74 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: ambitious young FBI agent, wanted to be promoted like all 75 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: ambitious people do. Knows Whitey Bulger. They come to an agreement. 76 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: The agreement was Whitey's going to give John Connolly information, 77 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: information that is going to allow John Connolly to look really, 78 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: really good and smart to his bosses as he busts 79 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: dirty people in the underworld. But there's always an exchange, 80 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: right in exchange. John Connolly looked out for Whitey Bulger 81 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: in terrible ways, ways that were illegal. He ended up 82 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: going to prison for all this spoiler alert. But John 83 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: Connolly protected his asset, protected his asset from prosecution. Whitey 84 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: Bulger was an asset to John Connolly. John Connolly in return, 85 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: protected Whitey Bulger. This is not a one off story 86 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: about John Conley and Whitey Bulger and Boston. It's not 87 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: even a one off story about the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 88 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: This is how CIA works, the FBI works, local police 89 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: departments work. You will work with bad people. You will 90 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: protect those bad people from prosecution in exchange for something. 91 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: Now that brings me specifically to this story around Epstein, 92 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the DOJ, FBI, CIA. Do you do you remember Cash 93 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Battel got confirmed in February and I came on here 94 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: and I said this, he has a mountain to climb. 95 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: An evil secret state police agency is not just going 96 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: to lay down for the new director. They have been 97 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: working tirelessly since Donald Trump won that election to hide 98 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: their evil deeds. God only knows how many the emails 99 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: have been deleted, phone records evident. God only knows the 100 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: horrible things they've been doing as they prepare to have 101 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: someone come in and shed light on them. Remember how 102 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: angry I got that Republicans were allowing Democrats to delay 103 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: confirmations of Pambondi, cash Betel. Remember remember the one big 104 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: Trump nominee who didn't get through. There was one. It 105 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: was actually his first one. As a matter of fact, 106 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: all the other ones, as controversial as they may have 107 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: been to the media, all the other ones eventually got through. 108 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: The President gets his nominees. We had the House, we 109 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: had the Senate, but there was one guy who was 110 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: a bridge too far. Not even Donald Trump, having freshly 111 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: won the election, super popular with the bully pulpit, not 112 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: even Donald Trump could get Matt Gates into the Attorney 113 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: General chair. They stopped Matt Gates immediately and then stonewalled 114 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: his replacement for as long as humanly possible. Now, let's 115 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: just say, for the sake of argument here, that Jeffrey 116 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Epstein was working with the FBI, CIA, somebody sort of 117 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: a Whitey Bulger type scenario arrangement, if you will. Jeffrey 118 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Epstein is providing this, They are in turn protecting him 119 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: from that. Do you think if you're at the FBI, CIA. 120 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: Do you think if you have a file revealing your 121 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: horrible deeds and things you've done with je Jeffrey Epstein, 122 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: do you think you're just going to what, let us 123 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: sit on your desk? You think you're gonna just put 124 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: a big file like that on your desk, maybe put 125 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes on it, and just kind of 126 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: wait there, Well, this is the file. I'm just gonna 127 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: wait around till till there's a new FBI director, till 128 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: there's a new Attorney general. And I mean, I hope 129 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: nobody finds it. You do remember that a paper shreddered 130 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: truck was parked outside of the DJ right you know 131 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: that criminals in the government and outside of it, they 132 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: destroy evidence that links them to crimes. You know that, right? 133 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: Of course? You know that. You're an adult, You get it. 134 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: That's what happened. And why do you think they stopped 135 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Matt Gates and then delayed Pambondi and cash Pateel for 136 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: as long as humanly possible? Do you think they were 137 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: twiddling their thumbs at the FBI, at the CIA throwing 138 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: a big party. Let me tell you something else. I 139 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: know this is from a source I have. I was 140 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: told by this source that that time was spent. Evil 141 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: people in these organizations were putting up how did they 142 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: put it to me? Trip wires all over the place. Oh, 143 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: I realized Cash Ptels now the head of the FBI, 144 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: and oh Pambondi's the ag My goodness, she's the head 145 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: over all of it. And so you me. We want results. 146 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: I want the client list, I want the names of 147 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: all the bad people. I want everybody going to prison. 148 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: I want you to fix all this stuff right now. 149 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: But I'm here to tell you criminals delete evidence of 150 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: their crimes. Even Pam Bondi got stonewalled by the FBI. 151 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: A source told me New York, SD and Y. They're 152 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: sitting on thousands of pages of documents regarding Epstein, thousands, thousands, 153 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: And of course you've seen the very strong letter. We 154 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: will get everything, we will have it in our possession. 155 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: We will redact it, of course, to protect grand jury information. 156 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi said, have the files on my desk. Head 157 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: of the New York Field Office said, uh, sorry, I 158 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,599 Speaker 1: don't have time. Go have a beer. The FBI is 159 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: a thirty five thousand person agency CIA god knows how 160 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: many actually work for that DJ as well. Years and 161 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: years and years and years and years, these organizations have 162 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: been filled up with committed communists, committed to destroying America, 163 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: committed to protecting themselves, protecting their organisations. You me, we 164 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: want information, We want results right away. We want the FBI, 165 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: dj CIA come out. No, no, no, you tell me who 166 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: the bad guys are. We're in charge now. Why won't 167 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: you tell me? Do you think all the criminals inside 168 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: of these organizations are all gone? Come on, be serious. 169 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: So many of them are right where they've always been. 170 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: They use their time wisely to cover up for themselves. 171 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: You possibly probably got angry at the thought that the 172 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: DOJ was saying there's no evidence of a client list. 173 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: There probably isn't. If there was, it was destroyed long ago. 174 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: All that may have made you uncomfortable, But I am right. 175 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: Mike Ben's is about to join us, and he's about 176 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: to drop more Jeffrey Epstein knowledge on you than you've 177 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: ever heard in your entire life. I promise you, cross 178 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: my heart and hope to die. You were about to 179 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: learn a lot about this guy's sordid history, Central Intelligence 180 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: Agency and other things. All right, before we do that, 181 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: better get your mind right for this next interview. And 182 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: that's what chalk's all about. 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When 199 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: you're having discussions about assets, intelligence operations, possibly suicides, murders, 200 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: things like that, I don't know that there's anybody better 201 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: We could bring on to discuss all the ugliness than 202 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Mike Bence's executive director, Foundation for Freedom Online, always putting 203 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: wisdom on us. All right, Mike, So the Epstein files, everyone, 204 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: everyone's talking about it right now, the news drops on 205 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: Sunday that it looks like we're kind of walking away 206 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: from the whole thing. I don't know. I gave my thoughts, Mike. 207 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: I just I have a hard time believing that they 208 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: were sitting on evidence of their crimes for a long time, 209 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: just not shredding them or deleting them. I just have 210 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: a hard time believe in it's still there, to be 211 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: honest with you. 212 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I mean, it's a strange sequence that 213 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: we ended up here. It looks like there was somebody 214 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: maybe inside DJ, who gave the this Justice Department memo 215 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: to Axios. It doesn't look like the DJ has formally 216 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: acknowledged this at this point as of the time of 217 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: our recording. There's been very loud cricket sounds that I 218 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: hear outside, but no kind of official acknowledgement. In fact, 219 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: Axios even deleted the document that they uploaded so that 220 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: even in the article itself you can no longer see it. 221 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: But of course the Internet pulled that immediately, and now 222 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: we're here where the official word is no client list. 223 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: The suicide estimation by the FBI is now being ratified 224 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: by DJ, and this is definitely an escalation in terms 225 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: of what had been hinted at through FBI earlier. DOJ 226 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: is the keeper of the interagency and the interagency secrets. 227 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: FBI is, of course primarily for domestic intelligence. It's the 228 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: intelligence arm of DOJ. But FBI is firewalled from CIA 229 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: on many things. And it has been my contention along 230 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: that what you're dealing with with Epstein is the CIA network, 231 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: not the FBI network. In fact, the FBI, to the 232 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: extent that this was an intelligence asset or an intelligence 233 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: network around Epstein, the FBI would be studiously firewalled off 234 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: from that in order to avoid giving a legal predicate 235 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: for federal law enforcement to make arrests of folks who 236 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: were involved in US state craft or any sort of 237 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: international state craft or intelligence that the US wants to 238 00:15:59,400 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: keep going. 239 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Mike, you say, CIA, describe what you think I mean. 240 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm assuming some of this is theory because we're never 241 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna know, But what do you think Epstein was to 242 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the CIA. 243 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think Epstein was working with the CIA in 244 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: the early nineteen eighties at the very start of his 245 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: career after he left bear Stearns. In nineteen eighty one, 246 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: right after leaving bear Stearns, Jeffrey Epstein created a one 247 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: person for profit company in his one bedroom New York apartment. 248 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: It was called the Intercontinental Assets Group, and it held 249 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: itself out as a international bounty hunter for high net 250 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: worth individuals to both recover money and shield money internationally. 251 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: So the right away nineteen eighty one, he starts this 252 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: company that basically helps that helped royalty and high net 253 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: worth individuals basically recover loan debts or assets owed to 254 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: them that were held in cryptic offshore bank accounts, as 255 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: well as helping them structure their own assets in a 256 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: way that would make it difficult or impossible for others 257 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 2: to collect those assets. And in nineteen eighty two, just 258 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 2: one year into that, he got a fake passport, an 259 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: Austrian passport listing his residence as Saudi Arabia. This is 260 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: a fake passport. This was recovered by the FBI in 261 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when they drilled a hole in Jeffrey Epstein's 262 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: safe and recovered this. Prosecutors held this passport up at 263 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: the Glene Maxwell trial. Now, this fake passport was so 264 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: good that it was able to go through four different 265 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: country checkpoints. It had a false name, but Jeffrey Epstein's 266 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: photo so that he could get back and forth. And 267 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: why Saudi Arabia Well because Jeffrey Epstein one of his 268 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: main clients for the group that he set up in 269 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one was Odnan Koshogi. Odnan Koshogi was the 270 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: CIA arms runner for the Iran contra affair. When Congress 271 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: blocked the US federal government through a congressional law called 272 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: the Bolan Amendment, with the Democrats controlling the House of 273 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Representatives banning any US funds from being directed to the 274 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: overthrow of the Nicaraguan Sandinista government, and the Reagan White 275 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: House and National Security Council and Central Intelligence Agency wanted 276 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: to do it anyway. They were left with a problem, 277 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: which was that the CIA had been neutered during the 278 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter years. There have been prohibitions on the categories 279 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: of covert activity it could do. The Boland Amendment from 280 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: Congress blocked them from using usaid funds or State Department 281 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: funds to run the operation. Enter Jeffrey Epstein and odd 282 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: Non Koshogi, his client during the Iran contra affair, which 283 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 2: dogged the entire Reagan administration. When all this came out, 284 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: the US was selling arms together with Israel to Iran, 285 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: which is kind of ironic as we as the current 286 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: geopolitics of Israel Iran play out around missiles flying overhead 287 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: earlier this month between those two countries. Israel and the 288 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: US were selling weapons to Iran at that time through 289 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: odd Non Koshogi, the Saudi arms dealer who had been 290 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 2: working with the CIA for thirty years. In fact, this 291 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: all came out informal under oath testimony from the Paris 292 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: office of BCCI, which was the Bank of Commerce International, 293 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: one of the largest banks in the world, which was 294 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: effectively a CI proprietary bank for running arms to the 295 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: Mujahadeen when the CIA was creating the Islamo terrorist network 296 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: that would later become Al Qaeda and then Isis. Odd 297 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: Non Koshogi was a client of that bank together with 298 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: the CIA, and the head of the head of the 299 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: Paris branch said that odd On Koshogi personally told him 300 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: that he was working for the Central Intelligence Agency and 301 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was his money bundler. This is at the 302 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: height of the Cold War, mind you, and so you 303 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: see this relationship going back to the early nineteen eighties 304 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: and nineteen eighty five, Jeffrey Epstein becomes linked up with 305 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: Les Wexner in Columbus, Ohio. Les Wexner was the head 306 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: of what at the time was the largest retailer in 307 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: the entire United States, Limited Brands, famous for Victoria's Secret 308 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: and many others. Wexner's tax attorney, Arthur Shapiro, was murdered 309 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: in a gangland style assassination in nineteen eighty five, the 310 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: day before he was set to testify in an IRS 311 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: rand jury investigation. The IRS had been looking into the 312 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: Westerner Empire's finances and failure to I think file taxes 313 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: for something like five years and seven years of investigation. 314 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: Arthur Shapiro, who ran that was supposed to testify to 315 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: the IRS grand jury just one day before he was 316 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: gunned down. It was right after that that Jeffrey Epstein 317 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: appears to meet Les Wexner and then go on to 318 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: have durable power of attorney over the entire Wexner Enterprise. 319 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: It was then in nineteen ninety three, Jeffrey Epstein personally 320 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: negotiated sale the transfer of Air America, which would then 321 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 2: become Other air transport, a CI proprietary airline straight from 322 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: Miami where it got busted as part of the Iran 323 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: Contra gun trafficking and narcotics trafficking. In order to run 324 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: this illicit operation in Iran Contra, that very airline used 325 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: Jeffrey and that Jeffrey Epstein was a critical part in 326 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: the structuring of this CIA operation. He then negotiated the 327 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: transfer of that CI airliner straight to Columbus, Ohio, where 328 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: the Wexner Empire was based, for the primary purpose of 329 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: transporting the limited's cargo between Ohio and Hong Kong, which 330 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: is another one of these narco states. Hong Kong was 331 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 2: won by the British during the Opium Wars and has 332 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: been kind of a lawless gun and drug running zone 333 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: ever since. How does one get to be the financial 334 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: bundler for the CI's arms illicit arms trafficker in the 335 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: Middle East without having any scrutiny from the Central Intelligence Agency. 336 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: How does one personally negotiate the transfer of a CIA 337 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: proprietary airline. By the way, Southern Air Transport declared bankruptcy 338 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: in Columbus, Ohio. The very day the CIA put out 339 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: an acknowledgment of Air America's role in the gun running 340 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 2: in narco trafficking in Iran Contra. Subsequent to that, the 341 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: US State Department personally made Jeffrey Epstein the tenant on 342 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: the lease for one of the second largest residents in 343 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: all of New York City. This residence was seized from 344 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: the government of Iran as the US was putting sanctions 345 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: on it, and then personally leased out to Jeffrey Epstein. 346 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: How do you have the State Department as your personal landlord? 347 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Do you think you or I Jesse could score something 348 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: like that? The State Department then ended up in a 349 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 2: legal dispute with Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein sub leased 350 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: that apartment to the defense lawyer for the French Connection 351 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: and Pizza Connection drug scandals where you had CIA involvement 352 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: in narco trafficking that was effectively dealt you hushed over 353 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: in this trial through this very defense lawyer that Jeffrey 354 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: Epstein then leased the State Department building sees from iron 355 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: from what I'm trying to communicate here is that every 356 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: aspect of the Jeffrey Epstein story is part of the 357 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 2: restructuring of intelligence work after the scandals of the nineteen seventies, 358 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: when the CIA was barred from doing activity directly, and 359 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: that's when USAID came into the picture and took the 360 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: baton from CIA and the NGO apparatus that were now 361 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: living under with the National down for Democracy and INTERNEWS 362 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: and the US Agency for pa US Institute of Peace, 363 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: and the web of private contractors and private financiers in 364 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: order to be the frontmen for CIA operations. Jeffrey Epstein 365 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: was present at creation of that entire apparatus. There is 366 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: zero chance on God's green Earth that there are no 367 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: CIA files on this guy. And the fact that this 368 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: Justice Department has effectively pointed us to the FBI when 369 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: this is a CIA job is not a good look 370 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: for transparency. 371 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: Dang, that is so much, Mike, Okay, So connect these 372 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: worlds to me then most people. For most people, that 373 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: is new information as you always bring us. But most 374 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: people know Epstein is this filthy trafficker of underage girls 375 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: with very powerful men, royalty billionaires, things like that. How 376 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: does he end up there? Is it simply blackmail? Is 377 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: that it? You're just hoovering up black mail information because 378 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: you bring in president former president to covort with underaged women. 379 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: I don't believe jeffreyt I've not seen evidence I should 380 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: say that Jeffrey Epstein was directly involved in blackmail operations. 381 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: It would surprise me if he was. And I've studied 382 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: this as much as anyone really humanly can, and the 383 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: blackmail allegations, Now, certainly the CIA had history of doing 384 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's style sexual blackmail operations. Actually, in March of 385 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: this year, during the OD and i D classification of 386 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: the JFK files, there was a very Jeffrey Epstein like 387 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: figure named Robert Mayhew who the CIA was working with 388 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: to do sexual entrapment of high level political figures. And 389 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: certainly the Jeffrey Epstein story can very much looks to 390 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: be similar to the Robert Mayhew story. But the problem 391 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: is is once you're directly involved with blackmail of say 392 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: a target in that network, word gets around quickly. You 393 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: lose access to both that asset who is under the 394 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 2: duress and coercion, as well as all of that asset's 395 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: friends who they may tell and say, oh my god, 396 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 2: this guy's blackmailing me, and then everybody in the network 397 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: clams up. And when you're talking about a network of 398 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: that size, I. 399 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Think that. 400 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: The access agent theory around Epstein is far closer to 401 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: the mark where what you have is a deal maker, 402 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 2: what you have is someone. Think about the Iran Contra situation, 403 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: for example, you're talking about a very very complex supply 404 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: chain for illegal transport of illicit arms for a covert 405 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: deniable operation that spans four different countries. In that case, 406 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: it was the US, Israel, the UK, and Saudi Arabia 407 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: as well as as their counterparts in Iran. So that's 408 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: five countries who all need to keep it super hush 409 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: hush quiet. You need to move through a web of 410 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: Cayman Island's offshore bank accounts and Panamanian offshore bank accounts. 411 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 2: You need three dozen shell companies, you need the tax 412 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: attorneys and legal teams. You need basically backdoor skid greasing 413 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: and private commitments from a range of disparate individuals who 414 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: stretch business, finance, diplomacy intelligence. So somebody's got to know 415 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: all those people, and somebody's got to set up those 416 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: deals and keep formal government channels at the US side 417 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: out of it. Jeffrey Epstein was clearly doing that in 418 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. He clearly retained involvement in that throughout 419 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: at least the early nineteen nineties, and then went on 420 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: to this very high profile file, you know, banking life 421 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: while he was power of Attorney over the Les Wesner Empire, 422 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: and then you know, proceeded to have a life of 423 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: essentially cavorting with all the world's richest and most famous 424 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: people to the extent that he continued to do intelligence 425 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 2: work at that point, I would say certainly access and 426 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: deal brokering would be sufficient to explain what he was doing. Now, 427 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: it could be the case that he was passing on 428 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: information to intelligence agencies, and separate folks within the intelligence 429 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: world or other back channels may have used that information 430 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: collected by Epstein. But I don't principally think of Epstein 431 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: as being a blackmail story. I think of it as 432 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: being a deal maker story, and that helps you know, 433 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: having the capital to do that, the financial capital to 434 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: do those deals is essentially what makes the deals work. 435 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: That he can negotiate them and running. You know, Epstein 436 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: and Company is private arm for doing that. After his 437 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: International Intercontinental Assets Group agency folded up in the early nineties, 438 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: it looks like that's when he transitioned into this more 439 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: sort of you know, banking empire role that he had. 440 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: But that's how I see the story, So it would 441 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: not surprise me if there was no evidence around Epstein 442 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: and blackmail. But that actually does not make the picture 443 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: any less dark than it is, because if Epstein was 444 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: still being used for deal making, for backchannel diplomacy, for 445 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: intelligence gathering, I think the American people, and frankly the 446 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: entire world has a right to know that. And given 447 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: the state of the DJ's handling of this, it doesn't 448 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: look like we're going to be getting answers on that 449 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: anytime soon. 450 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: Mike, Okay, So let me ask this question this way. 451 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: If if he is a guy with connections, and it 452 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: certainly sounds like he has many to CIA, possibly FBL, 453 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: we don't know. But either way, these organizations have a long, 454 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: storied history of protecting criminals who are assets to them. 455 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: Everyone knows that. I brought up John Donnelly and Whitey 456 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: Bulger in the open of the show. That's how it works, right, 457 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 1: How does he end up in trouble? He ends up 458 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: getting convicted of crimes, he ends up in jail. Who 459 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: did he make angry? 460 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: Well, So, when you're talking about the sheer number of 461 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: witnesses and scale of the operation, things can get away, 462 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: and oftentimes there's a turf battle between CIA and the 463 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: State Department. This happened, for example, in the case of 464 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: Orlando mas for in the late nineteen sixties. Orlando mas 465 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: for A was a Cuban exile who was brought over 466 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: by the Central Intelligence Agency in the late fifties early 467 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: nineteen sixties and was intimately involved in running a network 468 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: of about one hundred and fifty to two hundred exile 469 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: Cubans who were involved in everything from narcotics trafficking to 470 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: gun running as part of the CIA activities and Operation 471 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: Mongoose and the regionalization of the conflict against the government 472 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: of Cuba. Now, so Master was working directly for and 473 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: with the CIA for a time, and then he became 474 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 2: a little too big for his breeches, went rogue. The 475 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: State Department told he thought that the JFK administration. This 476 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: is how he ended up in the JFK files. These 477 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: documents can describe to you here. He ended up believing 478 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: that the JFK administration was too soft on Castro, that 479 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: it was not aggressive enough, it was not moving quickly enough, 480 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: that he needed to take matters into his own hands, 481 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: using the mercenary network that the CI had helped him cultivate. 482 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: And when the State Department the Western Hemisphere officials told 483 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: him that they were prohibiting him from unilaterally attempting a 484 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: military coup in Cuba of their the Master's plan was 485 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: to take about two hundred mercenaries to invade the island 486 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: of Haiti and then use the Haitian docks as a 487 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: means to essentially create do a military attack on Cuba. 488 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: The State Department said, don't do it. 489 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: Where are we are. 490 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: Formally blocking you from doing this. He went ahead and 491 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: tried to do it anyway. Customs and Border patrol caught 492 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: him and his men on the docks of Miami as 493 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: they tried to run this this private operation. They prosecuted 494 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: them under the State Department then petition the DOJ to 495 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: arrest mass Fur for violations of the Diplomatic Neutrality Act. 496 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: The CIA then intervened and told the Justice Department don't 497 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: prosecute them. So what you had was a proxy war. 498 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: The State Department said, listen, these groups are getting out 499 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: of These Cuban groups are getting out of control. We 500 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: need to prosecute mas Fur in order to send a 501 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 2: message to all the other Cuban military groups who are 502 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: thinking about doing this in the future that they can't 503 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: just set their own foreign policy on this. The CIA said, 504 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: if you arrest mas for all, this is going to 505 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 2: get out. We're already under so much heat from the 506 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 2: ramparts disclosures and from Senate investigations into CIA malfeasance. If 507 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: the extent of the Mas forver Cia network comes out 508 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: in a criminal trial, it will undermine all CIA activities 509 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: out of the Miami brand, which it will become a 510 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: massive international scandal. And so the Justice Department was torn 511 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: between the State Department's directive to pursue prosecution and the 512 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 2: CIA's directive to stop prosecution and let him skate free, 513 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: and effectively they ended up in a compromise. The State 514 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: Department is on top of CI. The CIA formally has 515 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: a relationship to State, just like FBI has to the 516 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: Justice Department. Everything CIA does has to be authorized by State. First, 517 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: it's supposed to be the covert arm of the State Department, 518 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: the same way the FBI is the covert arm of 519 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: the Justice Department. So the State Department won that tug 520 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: of war. Massver was indicted by the Justice Department, but 521 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 2: the conditions put on it were that the CIA was 522 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: able to have a DOJ attorney embedded from CIA in 523 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: order to midwife the prosecution, and in order to ensure 524 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: that no evidence was admitted in trial that revealed the 525 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 2: CIA network involved. That is, they had the government employees petition, 526 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: the government prosecutors petition the judge to not allow any 527 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: lines of evidence that might be brought up by the 528 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: defendants that might reveal sources and methods or anyone in 529 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: the CIA adjacent network. So they got the prosecution, but 530 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 2: they kept the CIA secrecy. By the way, this is 531 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 2: all public now thanks to Tulca Gabbert. These You can 532 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: look at the nineteen sixty six and nineteen sixty seven 533 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: CIA memos on Orlando mass for in the March twenty 534 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: twenty five releases if you want to see all these documents. 535 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: I also did a one hour video presentation for my 536 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: subscribers on x on this as well, but I think 537 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 2: this is what happened in the Epstein case. I think 538 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 2: Epstein was clearly CIA, whether in a formal or informal, 539 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 2: more likely an informal role in the sense that the 540 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: CIA would have had analyst, you know, analyst memos, cables, 541 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: a code name for Epstein, but not necessarily on payroll 542 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: or or a formal formal informant. But and then I 543 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: think you also have the international side of this, which 544 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 2: is all the CIA activity that is done jointly with 545 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 2: British intelligence is rarely intelligence Saudi intelligence, and I think 546 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: a lot of those other governments may be exerting pressure 547 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: on the on the the Trump administration or the Justice Department, 548 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: in order to not reveal their role. 549 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: Ah, Mike, you are the best, my man. Go subscribe 550 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: to him by the way on next and hoover up 551 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: that video. Mike, my brother as always, thank you. I 552 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: appreciate you very much. It's ugly, isn't it. But tell 553 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: me that wasn't one of the most fascinating things you've 554 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: ever seen in your life. It's just the ugly world. 555 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: Spy games and assets and all kinds of things out there. Anyway. 556 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: You know what else is ugly at and T T Mobile. Look, Horizon, 557 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: these companies hate you. You know that, they hate your guts. 558 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: They take your money and they use it to spread 559 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: communist filth all over this country. Pure Talk's never done that, 560 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: never would. Let me tell you why they never would, 561 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: because that's quite a statement to make. Their CEO fought 562 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: for this country in Vietnam. Macvsog two tours in Vietnam. 563 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: A company so patriotic they hire Americans. When you get 564 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: a hold of pure Talk, you'll be speaking to an 565 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: American who speaks English. It's almost odd some unpleasant. That's 566 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: what America means to them. You will pay less for 567 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: your cell phone. They're on the same network. It's time 568 00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: to switch puretalk dot com slash Jesse TV back. Okay, 569 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: so let's talk very briefly, not necessarily specifically about the floods, 570 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: but about the despicable communist reaction to it. First, before 571 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: we do that, pray. There are still people out there 572 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: right now, searching, hoping, hoping they don't discover something terrible. Prey. 573 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 1: People have lost so much prey. This is the time 574 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: to pray. Please pray for those families. Pray for this area. 575 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: It's worse than you can imagine. It's a natural disaster, 576 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: worse than you can imagine. And because because we've seen 577 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: so much loss of life, it hurts you, right, It 578 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: stirs something in you no matter what, no matter what, 579 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: you look at these videos and you see this death 580 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: and these little girls and the families, and it wrecks you, 581 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: and you want to do something. You want to help, 582 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: You want to pray, you want to hope for the best. 583 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: And that's good. I'm glad you have a heart. So 584 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: why is it that you reacted like that and the 585 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: communists reacted like this? 586 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 4: How much do you think the changing climate is part 587 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 4: of what we are seeing go on here? 588 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: I think climate change is obviously a part of it. 589 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 4: To Texas, National Weather Service offices involved in forecasting and 590 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 4: warning about flooding on the Guadalupe River are missing some 591 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 4: key staff members. A director of the NWS union told 592 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 4: CNN that the Austin, San Antonio office is missing a 593 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 4: warning coordination meteorologist due to the Trump administration's buyouts. Do 594 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 4: you have any indication whether those or other cuts helped 595 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 4: play a role in the fact that the people in 596 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 4: the flood zone were not prepared and certainly not evacuated. 597 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I can't say that conclusively. Listen, New 598 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: York Times ran the same thing, the exact same lines. 599 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 1: By the way, those are all outright lies. There were 600 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: extra staffers the flood issue, that the warnings were all issued, 601 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: it was all done right, everything was done right. The 602 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: media chose to lie about it. What why why would 603 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: you even why would you even ask those questions when 604 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: they're pulling dead girls out of the mud of the flood. 605 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: Why why would you even do that? Why? I just 606 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: want to remind you that the communist does this after 607 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: natural disasters, mass shootings, whatever it is, because that stirring 608 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: that's inside of you as you look at these families, 609 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: and this loss does not exist inside of him, and 610 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist inside of him because human life to 611 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: him is not sacred. It's it's just it's it's not 612 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: meaningful to him at all. And I know that's hard 613 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: to understand that there are people like that out there. 614 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: But Dana bash Castro, David Axelrod, the New York Times, 615 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: these are all committed communists for whom there is no 616 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: human tragedy, because when human beings are not valued, how 617 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: can there be a human tragedy for you, have you 618 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: ever failed an ant tragedy when a bunch of ants die? 619 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, not because ants don't have some 620 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: special meaning to you. In fact, they're meaningless. A thousand 621 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: of them could die. It would mean nothing to you, 622 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: it would mean nothing to me. That's how communists view 623 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: human life. And since human life is meaningless, does it 624 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: have any value to them? It's not sacred to them. Well, 625 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: any time there is a loss of life, communists view 626 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: it as an opportunity to move the revolution forward. They 627 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: are constantly being caught saying the most despicable things in 628 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: the wake of tragedy because for them, it's not a tragedy. 629 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: I know that's hard to accept about your fellow men, 630 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: but they are either indifferent to human suffering or flat 631 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: out cheer it on because they are anti humans. Sultsanitsen 632 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: called them the enemies of humanity, and that's exactly what 633 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: they are. That's why they can look at photos of 634 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 1: dead Christian girls and not be stirred in the least. 635 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: They look at those photos and think we could move 636 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: the ball forward with this. I know it's sick, demonic, 637 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: and evil, but I wanted you to understand that's why 638 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: they do what they do. Now, that's enough of the 639 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: ugly aspect of that. For lighten the mood, We're gonna 640 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: play you a wonderful aspect of that. Hang on, all right, 641 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: let's lighten the mood. And it's hard to imagine there 642 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: would be anything light about that horrible Texas flood we 643 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: just talked about. So much loss, so much death, and 644 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: so much pain and suffering. It's awful. But you know, 645 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: in in dark, dark moments, I've seen this many times 646 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: in my life privately, and big things. I've been involved 647 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: in hurricanes and other things that in dark dark moments, 648 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: there is a light that shines. And this made me 649 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: feel good. 650 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 5: It's like springs. 651 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: We want to pass. 652 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 3: N shre you, my friend. 653 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 5: This is si abound on in that it's not way 654 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 5: your abound. I'll shot it from the mountaintop, says I 655 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 5: want my world to know the Lord of Love has 656 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 5: come to me. I want to pass it on. I'll 657 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 5: shot it from the mountaintops. Raise good. I want my 658 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 5: world to know the Lord has come to me. 659 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: I want to pass the girlfriend. Dutch girls who just 660 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: survived a living hell, praising God on the way out, 661 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: A light shines in the darkness. I'll see it tomorrow. 662 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 2: M