1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: High in Hello football fan jer Old Pal Dave Damashek here. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you check out the Dave Damaschek Football Program. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: You can watch it on YouTube, NFL dot com. You 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: can listen to it on iTunes or Stitcher or NFL 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: dot com Slash Podcasts. We look at the world of 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: pro football and the game called life and now Move 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up? Everybody? 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks. Presented by the Marine Corps. 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: That's sponsor. How sweet is that? Uh? The U. S. 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Marine Corps should say. But we've got an interesting show today. 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: We're just gonna kind of talk about what happened is 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Clemson Pro Day. We haven't got to see all the 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: footage yet, but from what we've talked to buddies that 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: were there at the Pro Day, we'll talk a little 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: bit about that. I want to talk about this tight 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: end group, uh in this draft class. Will get into 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: those guys a little bit. We have some interesting free 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: agent signings that have recently took place, and UH, I 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: want to though at the top, I don't know if 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: people are familiar with what goes on at the at 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: the Pro day, from our from our scouting side of things. Yeah, 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think the pro day process is interesting, 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: particularly as more uh TV coverage has been devoted to 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: that process. A lot of times, to me, the pro 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: day was kind of making sure we confirmed all the numbers, 26 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: making sure we filled in all the boxes in terms 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: of whatever they didn't do, the prospects didn't do at 28 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: the combine, making sure we get their three cone, the 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: short shuttles, the six of your shuttles if it's appropriate, 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: UH and then watching them conduct and go through the 31 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: positional drills. And so today at Clemson, for guys like 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: Mike Williams who didn't do the forty time and still 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: needed to do some of the position work, Deshaun Watson 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: who had done everything but had another chance to kind 35 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: of throw the ball to his receivers, it ends up 36 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: being a pretty big day because you get a chance 37 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: to see them in their own environment. This is an 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: environment where they should ace to test. And so if 39 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: you don't ace to tests on your pro day, I 40 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: would say it raises a red flag, but you do 41 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: get the caution like, all right, So I pulled up 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: one of my old pro day reports. So when you 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: go to these pro days. As a scout, you know, 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: obviously you're not everybody from your organization can be there. 45 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: So we had to send in these reports from a 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: pro day and send it back in the office, and 47 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: everybody could see It's all the scouts can see it, 48 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: all the executives can see it, and you kind of 49 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: give you a snapshot of what took place. So in 50 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: terms of the detail that you have to go on 51 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: these things, this is why one of the reasons I 52 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: hated pro days is filling these stupid things out. So 53 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: here's one I found, pulled up an old one of mine. 54 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: You says U C L A pro Day March twenty nine, 55 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. So that's what it says. At the top. 56 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: Here you write conditions FO one, which that's the concusions 57 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: they worked out on outside field outside of Turchian one 58 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: is the best. Then if it was g O two, 59 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: we would say it's grass outside and it's out a 60 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: great surface, so and then it would be uh indoors 61 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: where their outdoors all that kind of so it could 62 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: be f you know, field, turf inside, blah blah blah. Anyways, 63 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: you put the conditions down there, what they worked out 64 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: on and then you have to write this thing at 65 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: the top. Here's what I wrote at the top. The 66 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: players did their jumps inside the weight room. They ran 67 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: their forties outside on a very firm field surface, a 68 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: field turf surface, beautiful day outside, high seventies with a 69 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: very slight wind. The following coaches, oh, we had to 70 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: do all this. It's like like a weather man. H 71 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: The following coaches were in attendance, Chuck Bugano, DC Baltimore, 72 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: Dean P's Linebacker Coach Baltimore, Mike Fair Chicago D line 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: Gilbert Chicago Syst DBS. Anyways, it goes on and on, 74 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: all the all the coaches that were there, and then 75 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: after that, I have all the executives that were there. 76 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: Following executives were Intendance Ted Thompson, g B. You to 77 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: keep Martin Mayhew, Scott Studwell, director of college. So I 78 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: had to send those in for Also when when when 79 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: teams around the clock, he be like, I don't know 80 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: when they sent their GM there and their position coach 81 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: and their coordinator. This kid's work out, so maybe they're 82 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: on this kid. So we kept track all that crap um, 83 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: so you'd be sitting there so I'd like right down. 84 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know who some of these coaches are, 85 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: right Minnesota linebacker coach. I gotta go back to my 86 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: hotel room that night, look up their media guide and 87 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: match the face. Okay, that's who that was. Um, so 88 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: that was a pain in the butt. Then like, I'll 89 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: give you a player here, um a chem Heiress, remember 90 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: him coming out that year? So he was there a 91 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: key Mayres linebacker number ten. May Is you're doing at 92 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: six oh two four way to fifty nine, ran the 93 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: forty and four, seven oh and four six seven other numbers, 94 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: thirty four and a half, vertical, nine five broad, twenty 95 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: two bench press, and then I have his shuttle times 96 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: he ran better than he did it. Indy isn't an explosive, 97 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: twitched up guy. Very smooth and agile. I don't see 98 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: much snap slash twitch. Very impressive in the past restrials 99 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 1: because of his ability to bend the edge and flatt 100 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: into the ball. Very natural and athletic and all the 101 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: change direction linebacker drills. His hands are outstanding. Ideal SAM 102 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: linebacker for the four three teams. I'd like see him 103 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: drop about five to ten pounds and lose some of 104 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: the baby fat. Uh did get a little gassed as 105 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: the workout dragged on. So every single player, every prospect 106 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: that they had their draftable or a priority free agent, 107 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: you had to put in all that information in those 108 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: little summaries to send it. It was brutal that you 109 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: guys didn't have to do all that stuff. No, Uh, 110 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: the only thing we had to do. Uh, we had 111 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: to send it on the numbers. Yeah, send it at 112 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: the numbers. And then there's a little box for comments 113 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: that you can kind of type from comments if anything. 114 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Sit up. But dad right there, that's the tedious deal 115 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: or of the you like proteas because you really didn't 116 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: have to do a whole lot of work. You know, 117 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: I was doing way too much work. So that's a 118 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: little behind the scenes there on the on the protect 119 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: speaking of pro days, we had the Clemson prote What 120 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: have you heard on Watson? You know, um up and 121 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: down all over the place. Is funny because, uh, some 122 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: of it always comes through the lens of what you 123 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: think of the guy prior to the workout, because you're 124 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: trying to justify whatever you grated him. You're trying to 125 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: use the prote to justify um based on the little 126 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: clips that I saw. I mean, he's funny. He did okay, 127 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: he did the same stuff. I mean, he threw the 128 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: ball pretty well. He showed um footwork improvement when it 129 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: came to mechanics and footwork and the delivery. His ball 130 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: still sprays a little bit on the deep ball, but 131 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what he was when we 132 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: saw the tape. I continue to believe that he's a 133 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: work in progress. I think he's made significant improvements from 134 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: the end of the season to this point. Uh, if 135 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: you buy Deshaun Watson, you're buying the kid, and in 136 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: buying the kid, you're buying the fact that he will 137 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: work on whatever things need to be corrected to give 138 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: him opportunity to be a really good quarterback in the league. Yeah. 139 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: I was told B minus C plus type workout, So 140 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: it wasn't a wild workout. I thought that was good, 141 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: not great. His accuracy was a little inconsistent, timing was 142 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: a little inconsistent. Said this guy that was there, said 143 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: he he thought he did a nice jop on the 144 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: deep ball. Again, I think that comes back to the 145 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: deep ball being the question on tape time. Yeah, so 146 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: we spent more time working on that. It was not um. 147 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: So I sent him back. I said, I thought he 148 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: had a solid a workout. Indie sounds like he fell 149 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: off a little bit today and he agreed, so, uh, 150 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: it was not his. He did not throw it as 151 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: well as he did in Indianapolis. But again, I mean, 152 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: we've talked about these quarterbacks, and we spent so much 153 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: time debating these three and I've put it to bed. 154 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm not doing any more on it. I've 155 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: I've finished. So I've got you put away pen. We're 156 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: in pen now. And again, this is the way i'd 157 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: say it here. I'm not in love with any of 158 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: these dudes. Okay, So in terms of standard on the table, No, 159 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: last year we we that shows on golf versus Wentz 160 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Bucky and we could both get firm stances and do things. 161 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: Every years past we've had those big debates. This year 162 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, no, I'm just done. Like I'm I'm 163 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: finished with it. I don't love any of them, but 164 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Watson, Rubinsky, Kaiser Kaiser and is better 165 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: than anybody we saw this year. Rubinsky's tape this year 166 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: is the best of the bunch. But you've got the 167 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: lack of starts and some some other issues that you 168 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: have there. Watson to me has the highest floor and 169 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe probably the lowest ceiling of those three guys. But 170 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: I know I know what I'm buying with him. Think 171 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: that's what I'm going think. I think that's the biggest thing. Like, um, 172 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: when you do the Deshaun Watson comparison, order to break 173 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: down is you're knowing exactly what you're getting. UM. It 174 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the Alex Smith debate that 175 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: some people have in Kansas City. Like Alex Smith is 176 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: a good player, very athletic. He's been successful, He's one 177 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: a ton of games, But for some of those guys, 178 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: they feel like they always want more. I don't know 179 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: if he can do it all by himself. I think 180 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: when you bindto Deshaun Watson and you get him and 181 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: you surround them with the people uh in place that 182 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: can make plays on the perimeter, tied into why receivers, 183 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: a strong running game and those things. I believe he 184 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: can win a ton of games. But if you're thinking 185 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: that he's gonna come in and kind of take a 186 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: bad franchise a down, trying franchise and on his right arm, 187 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna make it become a very competitive deal or 188 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna be champions just on his presence. I don't 189 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: think he's that kind of guy. I think he is 190 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: what I would say, a nice driver of a nice Cadillac. 191 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: When you say you have all the pieces in place, 192 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I think he knows how to get you to the 193 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: winter circle. Well, if those that are just checking out 194 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: the podcast haven't listen to us before, we we have 195 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: our our patented phrase. We're talking about here with trucks 196 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: and trailers, and you talk about the quarterbacks and divide 197 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: them up. Guys you can win with, you can get 198 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: to your ultimate destination. There's the guys that are trucks 199 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: that can pull the rest of the team behind them, 200 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: and there's the guys that are trailers. You can get 201 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: where you want to go, but you gotta have somebody 202 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: else kind of driving the truck, and they're more of 203 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: a trailer. I think Deshaun Watson, what we're saying here 204 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: is things are in place to help him out, which 205 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: all these guys really need. But really with him offensively, 206 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: um in terms of what they're asking him to do, 207 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: if they can put the pieces around him, a good 208 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: run game him to be able to get him on 209 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: the move a little bit, a lot of some r 210 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: PO is a lot of stuff we've seen with Tennessee 211 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: that you've talked about with Mariota. I think those things 212 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: he can be successful. But it's not something you just 213 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: drop him in any of the thirty two teams in 214 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: any system and it's gonna work. It's not. I think 215 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: it's a mix of what has taken place in Tennessee 216 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: to help Marks Mariota and some of the things that 217 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: we saw from the Dallas Cowboys to help Dak Prescott 218 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of success in Dallas. Stay empty the 219 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: formation a lot. Uh So it's much like a spread, 220 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: easy to identify where the blizzes are coming, easy to 221 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: make these kind of catch, rocking released throws. That's what 222 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: they did to help Dad. Dad continue to improve throughout 223 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the year. But he's very, very good and judicious with 224 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: the football. He didn't turn the ball over a lot. 225 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: The thing, the biggest issue that many have had with 226 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson has been the number of turnovers over the 227 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: last two years. Thirty interceptions is significant. Uh. You saw 228 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of inexplicable interceptions this year, so you just 229 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: wonder how well does he read and process and those things. Now, 230 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: high character guy, high football like you, you're beginning to 231 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: hear that he has the ability to do more things 232 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: than what he was asked to do in Clemson, and 233 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: so that's encouraging. But we won't really know what he 234 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: can be until we see the team that picks them 235 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: and hear about the plan that they have in place 236 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: to get him on the field. So when I right 237 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: down on my list here, and this is kind of 238 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: one of the reasons how I kind of sorted these 239 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: guys out at the end here to to figure this out. 240 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: The things that I think are pretty irrefutable when you 241 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: watch DeShawn Watson and you talk to people not from 242 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Clemson but NFL people that have met with him and 243 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with him, these are the things. 244 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: And see, if you're with me on this, the absolutes. 245 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: He's got poise, toughness, competitive, smart, and he can physically 246 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: make every throw. So if we know all that stuff 247 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: going in now, and I've talked about it before, deep 248 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: all accuracy was a concern for me. Decision making underneath 249 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: was a concern with me. The turnovers are a big, 250 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: big chunk of that. So I not ignoring those things, 251 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: but I'm saying with what I have on the left 252 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: column here, what I know, and the work ethic and 253 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff tied in, Okay, I'm I'm gonna work 254 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: with This is the guy I want to work with. 255 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: Of the bunch, I'm gonna work with him and we'll 256 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: see where we go. But that's the guy I'm gonna 257 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: ride with you. Now. I think that's a significant point 258 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: and is UM wise of you to bring that to 259 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: the service because the more that I talk to people, 260 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: the more that I'm hearing when you're investing in a quarterback, 261 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: in particularly franchise guy, we can talk about the arm 262 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: strength and the attributes in that regard. A lot of 263 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: people say, you really have to buy into the person 264 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: because that person has to be a natural leader. He 265 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: has to have the poise about him. He has to 266 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: be able to kind of take his game up a 267 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: notch when it's required. And so for Deshaun Watson, he 268 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: has always done and we've seen that on tape. UM. 269 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: I think as he continues to get down the road 270 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: in this process, what teams will try and hone in 271 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: on what is the best system to get him on 272 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: the field right away and do we have the cability 273 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: or are we willing to do it takes to allow 274 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: him to have success from day one when he steps 275 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: into building, meaning maybe modify our offense to make sure 276 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: that he is comfortable because he plays the most important 277 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: position on the field. Yeah, So anyways, that look I 278 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: I have all these guys in the late twenties, early thirties, 279 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: so I think they're kind of fringe first round type 280 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: guys on the surface. From what I've seen in next 281 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: year's group, it looks like it could be much better. 282 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Um so what teams will have tough decision to make. 283 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: You want to push these guys up a little bit 284 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: this year, you want to hold your water and wait 285 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: for next year. We've seen a lot of these guys 286 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: kind of give themselves a little bit of a crutch 287 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: here with some of these veteran quarterbacks that they've brought in. 288 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: So they'll be interesting to follow and see how it 289 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: all it all shakes out. By the way, the tight 290 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: end Jordan Leggett from Clempton, who had not run previously 291 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: at the company, Mike Williams had not run, We'll get 292 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: the mic into a second like it. I was told 293 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: round four seven six, right, and they're kind of a 294 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: one speed guy catches the ball stood with He's just 295 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: not an explosive explosive. What it does is when you 296 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: see in Evan Ingram and some of the other guys, 297 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: Bucky Hodges ran into four or five four six is 298 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: at the combine you come with a four seven six, 299 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: It just kind of drops you below a notch below 300 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: because when people are thinking about creating mismatches on the perimeter, 301 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: those other guys have verified speed that shows up and 302 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: be like, that's a bit of a change. He is 303 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: kind of a smooth guy. He may end up being 304 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: more productive because I don't think Antonio Gates is a blazer. 305 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: He understands the craft on how to maneuver to get open. 306 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Jordan's Legette can develop some of that in his game, 307 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: but in terms of draft position, it kind of puts 308 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: him in the bottom of the pack of those guys 309 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: that we've already talked about. So Mike Williams, I was 310 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: told someone that was there he said he had on 311 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: four five eight, four or five six. We've seen times 312 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: range from the high four fours. You know all the 313 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: we joke about this is right. No, no, no, it's 314 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: about it is about it's about got a good great 315 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: I look like a four or five. I got four 316 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: or five took now. I think we talked about it. 317 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: We talked about it on path yesterday. UM four or 318 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: five five was the line of demarcation. If he comes 319 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: in at four five five or somewhere in that range, 320 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: he's fine. The only thing that you didn't want to 321 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: see on his card anything that said four point six. 322 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: If it's at four point six are higher. It makes 323 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: it a harder seal, even though it's kind of optics. 324 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: You just wanted him to come in at four or 325 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: five because I would start a long time ago from 326 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: Mike hon Grin and gil High School, who was the 327 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator when I was there, and Seattle, and they 328 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: were my offensive coaches in Green Bay when I played. 329 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: They believe that a guy that is over six three, 330 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: if he runs into four or five range, that is 331 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: plenty fast enough because to have a big guy moving 332 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: like that, they create separation in a different way. And 333 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: so to me, I think he confirmed that he's fast 334 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: enough to play. The interesting thing that came out or 335 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: that will come out. We won't get an opportunity to 336 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: see Corey Davis running this pro day. He may probably 337 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: probably won't post an official forty times, so a lot 338 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: of it will be speculation. Now that you know what 339 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: Mike Williams official time is versus the unknown and Corey 340 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Davis when you go to the tape, which is a 341 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: bit of an apples and oranges debate depending on how 342 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: you look at it, because it's Mad Competition versus a 343 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: C C. And then the playoff games as they're coming 344 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: down the line making the determination between which guy is 345 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: the number one guy, it'll just be interesting to know 346 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: a verified on one guy and not a verified on 347 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: the other guy, even though we think that the other 348 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: guy plays faster. Without having that verified, it just kind 349 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: of makes you wonder. But to me, like I, when 350 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: I watched I know where you were on Mike Williams, 351 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I wrote down on my paper four five five, I 352 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: think that's whatever he tied. He timed what he timed 353 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: exactly the way he played. To me, I kind of 354 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: had him clocked or registered. And when I watched Corey Davis, 355 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: I thought he was more high mid four fours high 356 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: four fours with how he played, I thought he played fast. 357 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: But then, like the one reservation that I have when 358 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: it comes to Corey Davis, this is one of those 359 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: things like when we get into the debatable season, Um, 360 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: I think I know where you're going, Buck, go ahead, Yeah, 361 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: I am. I am going there, like like I'm gonna 362 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: gett my notes out so we can go and we 363 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: can go ahead, right. I was looking to see, man 364 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: I have to Yeah, okay, look four or five, five 365 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: or six oh from Mike from Mike Williams. Guess what 366 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: I had I had in my speed speed question four 367 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: or five, four six oh. I talked about him playing 368 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: above the rim, a basketball guy with Corey Davis. I 369 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that I have he played in 370 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: the MAC. He dominated MAC competition, like dominated. When I 371 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: looked at his biggest games or I think last year 372 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: he had five one hundred yard games. Um, he had 373 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: two hundred plus yards against ball State. He had another 374 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: game against maybe Central Michigan. But um, I got a 375 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: little worried when I watched the Wisconsin game and he 376 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: didn't dominated on the outside. And then when uh, some 377 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: scouts tipped me to go back and watch him versus 378 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: Ohio State in Northwestern and in the Ohio State game, 379 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: he was a relative non factor uh last season, And 380 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: so I just wondered, when you look at this comparison. 381 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: I wrote down in my notes four four or five 382 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: for him my estimated playing speed. Um, I think the 383 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: big thing when you look at him, because it's not 384 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: necessarily uh an apple like an Apple's apples comparison. If 385 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: you drop Corey Davis and Clemson's offense, what would he 386 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: look like? And what would Mike Williams look like if 387 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: he played in Western Michigan's offense, and would there be 388 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: a noticeable difference. And it's one of those speculative things 389 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: that you're trying to determine that you really can't get 390 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: an answer. But if you're saying that a guy from 391 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: maybe a smaller school is going to be the top 392 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: receiver in the class, you would just like to see 393 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: a level of dominance that just kind of makes you 394 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: feel at ease about him being the number one guy. 395 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: All Right, So I know you and you're gonna go, 396 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find my Mike Williams stuff. Here. If 397 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: I find my MIKEA Williams stuff, I did have I 398 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: had four or four or five penciled then on on 399 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: Corey Davis. So I did, Yeah, that's the man. That's funny. 400 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: It's funny. How kind of thinking there. Yeah, so I 401 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: put I put four five. I thought he was fast. 402 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: I think the thing with him when you watch him 403 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: on tape, he runs away, Uh, he runs away from guys. 404 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: I thought he was an outstanding rout run. I thought 405 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: he was probably the best route runners I've seen entered 406 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: the league since of Marie Cooper. Um. I loved his polish, 407 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: his time, and he balanced his body control. I wrote 408 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: down in my nose he is a get open guy. 409 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean he can get open versus anything. Excellent ball skills, 410 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: strong hands, pass catcher. UH talked about his acrobatic footwork. 411 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: UH wrote down very good, wreck, explosive with the ball 412 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: in his hands. The only question that I had it 413 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: was like this little thing, this says small school competition. Mark. 414 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: So here we go, and I compared him to Joe 415 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: what he knows? Okay, So I'm I'm pulling this up here. 416 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Against Wisconsin in the ball game seven or seventy two, 417 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: the six for seventy three and a touchdown. Okay, So 418 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: let's go through. Let's go Wisconsin. Let's start their first play. 419 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: UH catches a slant, breaks two tackles. UM, I thought 420 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: he got he got pushed at the line of scrims 421 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: a little bit, got widened by a corner. But then 422 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: I saw him be physical at the top. UM. I 423 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: saw him with some physicality after the catch. UM a 424 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: lot of box routes. So they didn't they didn't really 425 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: didn't really give him the ball much, don't know, you know, 426 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: look at targets for how many opportunities that he had 427 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: in that game. But I thought it was I didn't 428 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: think that was a bad game for him. Go back 429 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: to Ohio State. Now, this is the one that a 430 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: lot of people have pointed to, and let's uh, let's 431 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: pull up the stats sheet on that one, because it 432 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: was not very impressive. Let's see here. I think it 433 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: was four Ohio to Ohio State last year. He had 434 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: six for forty two. Okay, so hardly any yards. So 435 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: I go back and look at that game. UM, throw 436 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: him quick outs, so that's where you get the yards. 437 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: The low yards there. You throw him a quick out 438 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: on the sideline and not a whole heck of a lot. 439 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: You can do. There had a contested back shoulder catch, 440 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: shallow cross. He did drop. He dropped a back shoulder throw. UM. 441 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: Then he caught a back shoulder versus Eli Apple, who 442 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: you've seen a bunch of that game. Some some good 443 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: corners in that Ohio State group as we know. UM. 444 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: Then I saw him split I believe was Eli Apple 445 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: split the corner in the safety and ran away from 446 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: both of them where I saw some big time top speed. 447 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: The ball doesn't get thrown, it would have been a 448 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: long touchdown, doesn't throw it to him. Beats press versus 449 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: Apple on a box route a little again, a little 450 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: drive route. Their five yard throws. This is what they're 451 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: doing in this game because I don't think they can 452 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: protect UM. Then he had another drops. He had two drops. 453 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: He dropped two back shoulder balls, and then Eli Apple 454 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: got whistled for passing interference in the end zone. UM. 455 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: So and it was it was it was up and 456 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: down game. But to me an Apple Apple had knocked 457 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: one away on a ball. So you've got a couple 458 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: drops in that game. He drew a penalty in the 459 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: end zone. He had it should have had a long 460 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: touchdown where he ran away from everybody, the ball doesn't 461 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: get thrown and then they just thrown the ball underneath. 462 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: So to me, I didn't watch the game. I trust me, 463 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 1: there's been guys with small schools and you watch him 464 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: get locked up and you come out of that and 465 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: you go, I don't know, but he can't get away 466 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: from anybody. He can't. You know, he doesn't look the 467 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: party doesn't. That wasn't I didn't get that feeling after 468 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: watching that game. I got they were an overmatched team 469 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: against ohiouse, No, there's just thing because in reading my notes, 470 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: like I think he's I mean, obviously I think he's 471 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: a high level player. I even gave him high level 472 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: uh cop and Jody Nelson. I think when I'm trying 473 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: to separate the top two guys UM on the board, 474 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to just kind of figure out projection wise, 475 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: how are they going to play and how they're going 476 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: to play favorite early in his career. And so when 477 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: I look back Um after watching the table, and I 478 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: looked at the stats, like he had one fifty versus 479 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: North Carolina Central, which is a D two squad, so 480 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: that doesn't count. He had to seventy two against Ball 481 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: State and one seventy three versus Buffalo. Then he had 482 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: another hundred yard game against Northern Ilinoa hundred twenty two 483 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: and one versus Ohio. Um, and look, he can't help 484 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: where he plays. He went to school where he went 485 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: to school, and the guys that he faces, his only 486 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: job is to wear them out and he did. He 487 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: did that. Um, he's the FBS leader. And what is 488 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: the reception is receiving yards and all that other stuff. 489 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: I think the big thing, and I think it's just 490 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: kind of important. When we looked at Mike Williams, what 491 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: we had an opportunity to do is we had an 492 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: opportunity to see him play against pros. So they played 493 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: Ohio State. At the end of the year. He had 494 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: six for ninety six, and you could tell his bullyball 495 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: style was kind of given some of those guys. Probably 496 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily lattamore, but it was conding. But now 497 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about Conde being a top fifteen corner and 498 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: this draft against Alabama eight for ninety four a touchdown, 499 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: still being able to kind of impose his will despite 500 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: not being necessarily a guy that can run away from people. 501 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: He just plays it in a fashion. And so when 502 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: it comes down and we're splitting the hairs about which 503 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: guy you like and how they're projected whatever, it's just 504 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: one of those things that everyone would have to take 505 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: into account. And those who ride with Corey Davis will say, like, look, 506 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: he's a faster guy, he's more polished as a route runner. 507 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: He has the ability to step in and do a 508 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: lot of things that you normally don't see young receivers do. 509 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: Those that are in the Mike Williams camp will talk 510 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: about physical style kind of rememberinescent of Daz Bryant. He's 511 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: a prototypical number one receiver and he can play above 512 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: the rim, but he also can kind of play that 513 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: push pool game that he have to play without being 514 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: a specier. And I really think it comes down to 515 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: what style do you want as your number one receiver 516 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: and what are you willing to build around. Yeah, I 517 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: just to kind of wrap up our this whole discussion here. 518 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: I think you brought up as a good point when 519 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: you talk about, Okay, what would uh Mike Williams doing 520 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: this in this system versus what Corey Davis did at that, 521 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, playing against the lower level competition. I think 522 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: it also works the other way. You give him to 523 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson and you give him that Clempson offense with 524 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: all those other weapons around. Not true. I mean, I think, 525 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, I mean, I think, I think 526 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: it's I think it's a fair point. It's unfortunate, so 527 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: and I get it. But here's where I really would 528 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: have been able to kind of close the book on 529 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: Corey Davis. And I never would not a player for 530 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: elected not to play in the Senior Bowl or anything 531 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: like that. But if we saw Corey Davis have the 532 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to do what Cooper Cup did in the Senior Bowl, 533 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: it would have been an opportunity to be like, okay, 534 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: he's but he was hurt. No, no, I know he 535 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: was hurt, and and then at the combine not being 536 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: able to see him run. It's just kind of one 537 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: of those things that it eases some of the anxiety 538 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: that you may have about taking a guy like that, 539 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: because I don't know if there's been a MAC receiver 540 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: taken in the first round since Randy moss Um. First round. 541 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: We've seen some good ones, so yeah, many many in 542 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: the same school, right, But see, it's different first round, 543 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: second round, it's different the expectations. It's a it's all 544 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the end result a little bit, but it's different because 545 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: Greg Williams Greg Jennings was the second round pick and 546 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: kind of grew into their role because at the time 547 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: he still had Donald Driver and those things. But when 548 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: that guy comes in as the number one, and you 549 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: know when those guys come in as a number one, 550 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: we show him at the press conference holding up to 551 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: Jersey that expectation He's gonna be a dude right away. 552 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he want I'm just saying, 553 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: I wish you could have checked off the box. Can't. 554 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: They gave him how many opportunities this year? I believe 555 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: thirteen opportunities for that Western Michigan team. They knocked off 556 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: twelve of them, including Northwestern Illinois. Uh, the Wisconsin was 557 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: the third Big Ten team they were in. They were 558 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: in the game, and you know, I thought, in those 559 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: three Big Ten games, that's look, that's all of those 560 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: the best dudes that they could play against. He was solid. 561 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: So look, it'll be interesting to see I wish, like you, 562 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: I wish he was healthy. I think if we got 563 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: a chance to see him run around, I think we 564 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: would have seen that, uh that he's a more polished 565 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: route runner than than Mike, And I think I think 566 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: this is I think I think that's about to he 567 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: can't help he has an injury. But I think sometimes 568 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: like if those guys work at the combine and back 569 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: to back groups and you get a chance to see 570 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: him run routes versus Mike Williams runs route it's the 571 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: father we get away from the season, you kind of 572 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: forget a little bit how this guy played and it 573 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: goes both ways. Guys kind of rise up based on 574 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, the way you reminisce about them, 575 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: and guys can fall down baby, based on a memory 576 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. It'll just be interesting to see how this 577 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: plays out in the end and to kind of track 578 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: these guys because I think they'll be tied at the 579 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: hip going forward with John Ross kind of tied on 580 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: the outside of the mix. Yeah, it's interesting, man, when 581 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: you when you kind of look at these uh receivers though, 582 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: and there's so many receivers because because it was funny. 583 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: We were preparing for the show the other day and 584 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: we talked about so many guys and we've talked about 585 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: Zay Jones and Cooper Cup and some of the other guys. 586 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: But there are a ton of receivers in this draft 587 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: that I think are really good players. From Juju Smith two. 588 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: I mean like that, they're just a ton of guy us. 589 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: You have Juju, you have d D. Westbrook, Um, you 590 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: have Chris Godwin. Day we had the conversation about yesterday's 591 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: A Jones, Cooper Cup. Uh, the list goes on and all. 592 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: We've heard rumblings about Carlos Henderson and just on and 593 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: on and on it. I mean, who knows how these 594 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: guys have come out? All right, Buck? You A quick 595 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: question for you. T Y Hilton last year led league 596 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: and receiving yards. He from a big time, big time 597 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: school from Florida Anda. But where was he drafted? Right 598 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: now we're talking about but are we get we we 599 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: get we get promoted based on how these guys played, 600 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: not by word get here. And here's the thing that 601 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna talk about Antonio Brown. Where you go 602 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: to school, Cinceral, Michigan. But once again, and he's drafted 603 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: into sixth round. We're talking about first round. The thing 604 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: though people first were students of history when we say 605 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: why why didn't we put these guys up higher, the 606 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: great players you drafting based on the expectation and how 607 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: you think they should expect expect more from these other kids. Yeah, 608 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: they but I think, what do you say, um, under promise, 609 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: over deliver. It's a good life philosophy, right, So if 610 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: my comes in as a first round pick, a top 611 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: ten pick, there's a lot of expectations to come with it, 612 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: as opposed to being a guy that comes in maybe 613 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: a top of the second round pick. He's just a 614 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: different it's just a different life. Dang, Manuel Sanders, Pierre Garson, 615 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: tyroll with a lot of these guys outside of these 616 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: and none of our first round picks, though they can 617 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: all play. It's but none of our first round pick. 618 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: Now you had to go to Pierre Son, I would 619 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: say that pierrego San is a complimentary player because on 620 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: the back side he was de Sean Jackson's running. I know, 621 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: for those three games he plays every year, it's nice 622 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: to have the Shoann out there for those. Sean Jackson 623 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: wanted more prolific big play receivers in NFL history history, 624 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: pierrego saw in everyging ten yard as a catch. He's 625 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: like running to the sticks and turn around. No disrespect 626 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Pierre because because I know someone to say something on Twitter, 627 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: but that's what he's doing. Manuel Sanders to Marius Thomas 628 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: on the side. For most of those guys that you're missing, 629 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: they're kind of like the sidekick Bucky. Here's the here's 630 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: moral of the story. We just saw DeMarcus Ware retire, right, 631 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: I can just tell exceptions. Hold that ruled up. I'm 632 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: just I'm telling you story, Davis is an exception, because 633 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you story exceptions. Inside the draft room 634 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: and we were talking about to Marcus Ware and I'm 635 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: not gonna mention who said this. We're we had because 636 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: they had to be to Marcus wearing Sean Merriman was 637 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: that year. We had big grades on tomorrow, big big, big, 638 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: big grades. And there was a discussion in the room. 639 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: I was brought up by somebody in the room. If 640 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: this kid was any good, he wouldn't be at Troy, 641 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: he'd be at Out And that to me, like, you 642 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: cannot don't scout the helmet. You gotta scout the player. No, no, no, 643 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't do that. Yeah, I will say 644 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: this because this this is funny, because this kind of 645 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: Permeate said, maybe I'm a little jake right now. I 646 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: think it's a it's a healthy discussion because you get 647 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: this in my Twitter time. I sort of prevent me 648 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: from having to use all my one characters when I 649 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: can talk about it. Ron Wolf and maybe because everyone 650 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: that I worked on the kind of sprang from that tree. 651 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: Ron Wolf was a big school believer. He believed in 652 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: guys from big schools that played on big stages, that 653 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: played in the big house with a hundred thousand people 654 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: against the best competition, because that's as close as they 655 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: will get to being able to see NFL competition. What 656 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: he always said. And I called him when I scouted. 657 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: It's funny I was under road. I called him. I 658 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: was scouting Vincent Jackson out of Northern Colora, and I 659 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: left the school and I called him. I picked up 660 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: phone and said, hey, Ron, I know you're big school guy. 661 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: Tell me about like the t O thing because I 662 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: see Vincent Jackson He's dominating and I'm trying to figure out. 663 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: He was like, well, do you see her sustain um 664 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: track record of success of him just absolutely obliterating the competition. 665 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: I'm like yes, He's like, do you believe that he 666 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: can sustain that kind of dominance if he played at 667 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: a higher level. Yes, He's like, well, if you believe 668 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: those things, and if you have an opportunity to see 669 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: him in the bowl game he shows that, then you 670 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: throw the big raid on him, he said. But with 671 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: small school guys, he was like, just go a little 672 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: slower before you throw that big raid on it, because 673 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: you just want to make sure that it translates as 674 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: it goes up the ranks. But you're right. Discussed this 675 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: discussions that happened in the room, know and and and 676 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: I think I think that would be one of the 677 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: discussions because when I talk to some guys, they're like, man, 678 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: I just got I get some of that. Like, man, 679 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: he's really good, but uh, you know, you know. The 680 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: one thing for me though, what I've done and when 681 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: I go back and self evaluate guys have missed and 682 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: guys have got right, and try and get better at it. Um. 683 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: I would always I always figured out offensive line wise, 684 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: to me, if you started forty games in the Big ten, 685 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: if you started forty games in the SEC, you're gonna play. 686 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: You can play now. The skill positions was a little 687 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: bit different because you you look, guys fault the receivers, 688 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: especially if they can fall through the cracks and they 689 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: can find everywhere. But there's only so many guys that 690 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: are gonna be you know, six ft four with long arms, 691 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: that are strong, and that I have played and have 692 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: that experience of playing in the in the trenches in 693 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: a physical, you know, style of play against grown men 694 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: for four years and have started forty plus games. I 695 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: just think those are that's that's a better move. You're 696 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna be a little bit risk and we 697 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: take these small school offensive lineman. That's concerned me more. 698 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: I know we've got Jerry Evans, We've got some of 699 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: the examples, but there's a lot of guys too that 700 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: that cannot make that leap, oh without without a question. 701 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's it's significant, And I think that's 702 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: part of the inexact science of what we do in 703 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: terms of evaluating players trying to project because what we do, 704 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: I think from the college level is much harder than 705 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: what pro guys do because when you're evaluating pro tape 706 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: and trying to determine which free agents are the top 707 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: of the board, you're seeing apples to apples in college, 708 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: you're seeing apples to oranges to bananas, trying to figure 709 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: out how a guy can project and so, uh, it's 710 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: a little more gray area and you're trying to kind 711 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: of hang on, how do they play, what traits do 712 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: they have, and how do you see this guy growing 713 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: and developing. I believe in the grade that I gave 714 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: Corey Davis is that he's gonna be a really, really 715 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: good player. I believe he may also have a little 716 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: bit of a steeper learning curve, just adjusted the competition. 717 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: But we'll see as it plays out. I know it'll 718 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: be it'll be interesting to follow their good discussion. The 719 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: a couple of free agents that went here Poe to 720 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: Atlanta and then we also had let Tavis Murray to Minnesota. 721 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: Anything anything for you? Don Terry Poe going to Atlanta, 722 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 1: I think, to me potentially can be a game changer, 723 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: uh Poe. Uh. We talked about the college Evaluation News discussion. 724 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Scott Pioli, who is he? Is he GM at Atlanta 725 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: assistant GM Pioli, He's still to me trough is running 726 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: the show with Peelway's right hand. Okay, so, but Pioli 727 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: drafted Don Terry po and when he took Don Terry 728 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: Pop was a bit of a risk because he was 729 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: kind of a guy that was a more traits than production. Uh. 730 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: Super athletic and explosive. He's kind of developed to an 731 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: upper level player. They get him in Atlanta to give 732 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: them an athletic presence on their front line. He can 733 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of different things. Is that intel and knowledge? 734 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: I think that certainly helps them for a team trying 735 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: to make another run, another run at the Super Bowl. 736 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: He is a nice piece. In terms of Lettavis Murray 737 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: going to Minnesota, Uh, it's okay. I mean I think 738 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: Lettavis Murray's a running back. I know he's been to 739 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I'm not really fired up about necessarily 740 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: what he brings to the table. He's big, he's athletic, 741 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: he's fast, he can run, he can catch it out 742 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: the back field. I don't know if he's an elite 743 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: or premier player at the position, but I understand why 744 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: they made the move. The bigger thing to me and 745 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: looking at the running back position the way the market 746 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 1: is gone, what do we do with Adrian Peterson? All Right, 747 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: we've got our We've got our Juna, who is our 748 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: resident new England Patriots fan here. So he just jumped 749 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: in our ear and said that the un rapport is 750 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: reporting that looks like there's some momentum Malcolm Butler going 751 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: to the Saints something, so that that's something I look 752 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: once they started letting him talk contract, it figured like 753 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: that was gonna come. That's gonna hilarious if they end 754 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: up having a part with the thirties second pick. If 755 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: New Orleans does ship it right back into England. Uh, 756 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: interesting and see what happens. Yeah to be Actually, I 757 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: think the bigger thing is Bill, Bill Belichick and the pages. 758 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Let you know what they think about Malcolm Butler. They 759 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: go out pay big money to sign Stefan Gilmore and 760 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: they're willing to, as you say, throw up the deuces. 761 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: Tim Malcolm Butler, who for two years served as doing 762 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: number one corner says a lot but once again undrafted player, 763 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: a guy who kind of uh made his way, kind 764 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: of a self made player on the perimeter, hard worker, junkyard, dog, feisty, 765 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: but just not viewed in the same light as a 766 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour, even though he also went to a Pro Bowl. Yeah, 767 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: that's interesting. What about real quick here before we bounce 768 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: out here. I want to run through some of these 769 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: tight ends. We talked about some of them already, uh 770 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: in this episode. How about let's get outside these We 771 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: talked about these top A couple of guys, a bunch 772 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: we've talked playing about O. J. Howard, Evan Ingram, I 773 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: think is probably established himself as a second guy or 774 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: no sorry, in Joku in Joku from Miami, I think 775 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: will be the second guy. I think Evan Ingram, who 776 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: might might be the best slot receiver in the in 777 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: the draft. He's unique, you know, He's unique in his athleticism, 778 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: his rob runnability, the way he creates separation. He's basically 779 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: a jumble size wide receiver. Uh. So outside those guys, 780 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: we got those guys, and then let's even we'll put 781 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,959 Speaker 1: old Effort in there as well. Okay, So I'm gonna 782 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: give you a list of the next group of tight 783 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: ends here, Bucky, and just tell me if you can 784 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: pick one of them out that you're gonna get outside 785 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: the first round. But someone that you liked, maybe you 786 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: you'd want to work with. Here. Um, we've got, uh, 787 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Legott, who we talked about a little bit earlier. 788 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: We've got Adam Chaheen from Ashland, got Bucky Hodges from Virginia, 789 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: tech um, Jake Butt coming off of injury. That's my guy. 790 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: So there you go. That's your guy. That's my guy. 791 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: I would take a chance on Jake But. I would 792 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: take a chance on Jake but I think his range 793 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: is somewhere at bottom at the second, top of the third. 794 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: I'll pull the trigger on Jake Button. Part of the 795 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: reason I'll pull the triggers because he's a traditional y 796 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: tight end, I meaning he can play with his hand 797 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: in the ground, he can play attached to the line 798 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He also has the ability to do all 799 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: those things that we traditionally look for from a traditional 800 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: tight end. Run, rouse, block, catchy down the field, make 801 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: some things happen, not necessarily explosive, We're dynamic, played with 802 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. But much like Jason Witten 803 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: has been able to catch a ton of balls later 804 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: in his career. I think Jay but can be a 805 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: ten to have your player that it continues to be 806 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: productive in a chain. Yeah, no, I like I got 807 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: a chance to meet with him, Bucky. He's in great shape. 808 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: I watched him go through some rehabs. So he's moving around. 809 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: He's moving around pretty good. I think he's ahead of schedule. 810 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: They're coming back from the knee that that sucked. I 811 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: was there at the Orange Bowl when he got hurt. 812 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: But I think that could end up being a really nice, 813 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: nice value pick. I tend to think you'll probably go 814 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: on the third is where he'll end up falling in 815 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: this draft. It's just so loaded. Uh we'll see. I 816 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: think it's a great group of tight ends, great group 817 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: of running backs. Who's the guy that you liked in 818 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: a second tier? Uh so? So for me, in that tier, 819 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: I would have probably gone Jake Button as well. Bucky 820 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: Hides to me, I think a little bit further away 821 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: than Yeah, I'm not I'm never a fan, but the 822 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: Ashton kid, because oh that's yeah. I mean that's my 823 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: bond record, that's my dude. I mean you've talked about him. 824 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: I kind of view him up there with that other 825 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: that other group will get it. So if I, yeah, 826 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: for me, I have him, he would be so I 827 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: have it O J. Howard and Joeku Ingram Everett and 828 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: then and then him and he's and he's a true 829 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: why you talked about seventy. I mean, I mean he 830 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: can block and do some things. And we've talked about 831 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: those stories being on the road going. I saw Kevin 832 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: Balls when Kevin Boss came out of Western Oregon. So 833 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: the other guy was at Whitworth. Was the name of 834 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: the other college there was, I remembering Michael Adam, Michael Allen, 835 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, somebody on Twitter hit us up 836 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: on that, so they let us know it was Whitworth. 837 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah to that huge tight ends up there in the 838 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. I don't win. And saw him play. I 839 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: play at some small school outside of Spokane, I cannot 840 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: remember where. So so favorite, I mean I talked about 841 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: how I hated having a felt that information for Protace. 842 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: But what was your favorite Prota city? So you go 843 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: to the Prota during the spring this time of year, 844 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: where did you like going? Well, I always have an 845 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: affinity for a issue and going to Phoenix. But in 846 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: terms of off the beaten path, I like, uh, I 847 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: like going to Boise Boisy. To me, Boise's downtown is 848 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: a little sneaky, Yeah, a little sneaky. I like like 849 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: going the Ram. You get down to the Ram. I've 850 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: been down to the Ram I've been to the RAM, 851 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: been to a couple of games. They got a little 852 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: little nightlife, play little music, kind of hang out a 853 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: little bit. Oh yeah, you can't stop. You can't stop boys. Yeah. 854 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: I've been everywhere though. I've been to Carroll College and 855 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: I think we call it Elena. Yeah, I've been there here, 856 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: Montana State, done that. I've stayed at the Holidame at Pocatello. Nice. Nice. 857 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean the whole hotel smells like a swimming pool. 858 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: But it's a nice holiday in it's a nice holiday 859 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: stayed some bad ones. And I went to Western New Mexico. 860 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: I've done there. Did a Linebackernacker there fast fast, he 861 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: ran fast. That is in the middle of nowhere. My four, 862 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: little four runner. I had a little four running just 863 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: to take on the road. Dad, Dad, Yeah, I was 864 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: worried about that. We were at the four Runner Las 865 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: Cruces to go see New Mexico State. They you be 866 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: careful about leaving your car down near El Paso. It 867 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: may it may disappear, so trying to keep it real 868 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: close to your room. That was my first My first 869 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: visit in the fall every year was New Mexico. Was 870 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, Utah. I was like, I'm gonna check 871 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: this one off the list. So mine I would always go. 872 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: And so going from l A, I would go to Utah. 873 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: I would just bypass Vegas go straight to Utah. I 874 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: would do Utah, Utah State. We were state all this 875 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: stuff and kind of no I did them. I would 876 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: go I would go, uh straight out there. Like normally 877 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: you think, okay, you're gonna go to Arizona. No, no, no, 878 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: I literally this is the first school visit. I'm going 879 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: to New Mexico in Mexico State, and I'm done with them. 880 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm going in there in August and I don't have 881 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: to go back. So I would go there and then 882 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: go to and then I would drive straight home and 883 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: then I would go out from there. After I got 884 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: done your drive out, they come back. Oh yeah, it 885 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: was a long Bucky I'm talking about. I know, it's 886 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: a long ride. What fourteen hours, thirteen hours? Yeah, So 887 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: I didn't care. I was like, I'm checking out. Just 888 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: just so the listeners understand. When you were a scout, 889 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: you're an area scout. Like for most team the majority 890 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: of teams, you drive to two schools within your area, 891 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: which by the way, when when your bosses are on 892 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: the East coast, they think that's a great idea. They 893 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: have no ideas, spa ants of it is out here 894 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: on the west, on the West coast. The West coast 895 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: is awful when it comes to distance drive. So what 896 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: you do back then, you would get the big old Atlas. 897 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: You get the big old Atlas and your highlight I'm 898 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: driving from l A y Yeah, highlights your location. And 899 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: I would always try and make it like a big 900 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: old circle. So you talk about their drive that you 901 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: were on. I'll go from l A to San Diego, 902 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: San Diego to Arizona State, Arizona, make my way to 903 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: New Mexico State, which is down to Las Cruces, drive 904 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: up to Mexico, New Mexico, and then come back through 905 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: northern Arizona to Vegas and then up into the Utah 906 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: schools or whatever. And I would do that loop twice, Yeah, twice, 907 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: See I I was. I would spoke, so I would 908 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: like just go out like to me like Utah instead 909 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: of go out come back would go I would I 910 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: would stay in Salt Lake and then I would get 911 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: up so then I would go to Utah. The first 912 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: day that I drive to b y U and then 913 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: the next day I would drive up to Ogden and 914 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: do all the different places, but I would stay in 915 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: the same hotel. So I was always coming back to 916 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,240 Speaker 1: home base. So I would have to load up and 917 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: keep moving around, and so then I would do that. 918 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: I would finish that week, so I would do it 919 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 1: in a week. I want to be home every weekend, 920 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: so I would do that for a week, and then 921 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: I would drive home like I finished. I finished up 922 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: when John Beck was We're still off schedule right now. 923 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: John Beck was at b y U. I had to 924 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: go watch him play in a game you watch quarterbacks 925 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: off watching John the pup guns at night game at 926 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: b y U. Underrated game atmosphere, by the way, nice 927 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: atmosphere I've seen. I've seen him play a couple of times. 928 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: Finished the game. No, no, no, So I was gonna go. 929 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: I was gonna go back home, and I had the 930 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: whole day. Next day was free, so I was gonna 931 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: drives twelve hours. So the next day I was gonna 932 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: drive home, just get up, getting good night's sleep, and 933 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: drive home. Something happened. We had little kids, so I 934 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: had to end up having to leave. So finished. I 935 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: literally left, like the b y U game, and like 936 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: the third quarter or something, I'm like, John Beck, Okay, 937 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: I'm good on John Beck, got that done. Get in 938 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: the car and I'm like, i gotta go home. So 939 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm driving Bucky and I'm like, there's no red Bull 940 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: at that time, right, So I get First of all, 941 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: I get a ticket before I get out of the 942 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: state of Utah. Ridiculous. It was one of those deals 943 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: where you're like the cops like you, I'm like, just 944 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 1: give it to me. I did whatever, So get a ticket. 945 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm driving. I start to feel, you know, the little 946 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: bumpies on the side of the road, like about four 947 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: different times. I'm thinking I'm hitting the bumpies because I'm 948 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: about to fall asleep. So I get to Vegas. I 949 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: get through Vegas and I'm like, man, I've got to 950 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: i gotta take a nap. So I pull off into 951 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: the market. I pulled off and making a lot of 952 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: a hotel and I slept. I slept one hour and 953 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: then and then I got that one hour and then 954 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: I got home. So then I get home, which we 955 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: had was anyways, long story there, but I get home 956 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: and like it was like I was so done. I 957 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: was just got in bed and slept. The whole reason 958 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: for me to have even done this, that is that 959 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: is okay two things out of this. Have you slept 960 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: in the parking lot in your car? Yes? Absolutely? Like 961 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: that is that is the trick because when you're when 962 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: you're driving one, I developed a rule. I didn't like 963 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: driving it now because I was always scared that I 964 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: was falling asleep. So my rule was I didn't want 965 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: to drive more than an hour or so past like 966 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: seven o'clock, so like I wanted to be shut down 967 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock or whatever. So I would plan to 968 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: drive one day even if I had to wake up 969 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: at four thirty five o'clock. I've rather drive in the 970 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: morning then at night. But I would periodically take a 971 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: little rest stop at a hotel, A nice hotel. Okay, 972 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,439 Speaker 1: nice hotel, nice bathroom. Yeah, that's that's the whole deal. 973 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: That was my that I've said this before, but the 974 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: best for those listening, this is the best thing you'll 975 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: learn from this podcast is that if you have to 976 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: use the restroom during a road trip, never go to 977 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: a gas station, Never go to a Starbucks, never go 978 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: to fast four yards hand, go find yourself a courtyard. 979 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 1: You go find yourself a holiday in that downstairs bathroom 980 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: has never been used, it is, And you get cookies 981 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: and and on the way out, you just look at 982 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: the name tag of the lady at the front jone, 983 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: he see you back later. You have a cookie and 984 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: you walk right back in your car. That's a scouting. 985 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: That's a number one move. Hey to admit this. I 986 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: may have stopped by a residency and it maybe grabbed 987 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: a little snack. Okay, the food down I mean, oh 988 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 1: it's it's get so I almuys want to give me 989 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,720 Speaker 1: a little give me a little snacky, a little snacky 990 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: whacky before nothing on a little continental productor all right, anyways, 991 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: my my, my, I liked going to to San Jose 992 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: State from my pro day. That's the last thing I'll 993 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 1: say there. Because the San Jose State had a quarterback 994 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: whose parents owned a restaurant, so they would always quarterback. No, no, no, no. 995 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: I can't remember this dude's name, but his dad, I 996 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: think it was his dad who owned this. This Like, 997 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: it's not Chicken and Pizza because that's a restaurant in 998 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: Philly that but it's it's that type. It was like 999 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: a chicken place, and so it was downtown, so they 1000 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: would always open it up for the scouts, so we 1001 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: would always go to this quarterback anyway. So that was 1002 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,959 Speaker 1: San Jose State there. All right, we got so off topic. 1003 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us. We gotta wrap this 1004 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: thing up and get out of here. We got a 1005 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: production meeting, uh DJ Bucky here. This is the Move 1006 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: the Six podcast, presented once again by the US Marine Corps. 1007 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: Pretty cool. We'll be back next week to UH to 1008 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,479 Speaker 1: recap what's going on the rest of these pro days 1009 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: and continue this march towards the draft. Thanks for listening, 1010 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: so thanks for downloading Moved the Sticks with Daniel Jerremia 1011 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot com 1012 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts m