Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of.
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnett.
Speaker 3: I have a question for you, my old friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Did okay? Do you know what's ridiculous? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I had a feeling you did.
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Speaker 3: You came kind of sighted.
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Speaker 3: Uh huh, I'm listening.
Speaker 2: Vine ripened tomato slices, still got my ear mouth watering.
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Speaker 3: This is a masha or beef bone frost. I thought
Speaker 3: you're doing recipes gourmet burger juice. Hello, I checked out
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Speaker 1: One ounce of pickle brine.
Speaker 3: It's more, there's more.
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Speaker 2: you take first, you take the vodka.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all those things that I.
Speaker 3: Listened to, picturing meat juice in a cold a vodka
Speaker 3: glass like.
Speaker 2: You're picture correctly. And then here are your garnish choice.
Speaker 2: You can garnish it with a bacon like it's twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: You can garnish it with a brioche bun chunk just
Speaker 2: a chunk of bread floating in a burgertiny, a crisp
Speaker 2: pickle chip or a cherry tomato. So you rim half
Speaker 2: a martini glass with Red Robin seasoning blend, and they
Speaker 2: don't tell you that, like you have to put probably
Speaker 2: like a citrus on there. And then you know they're
Speaker 2: assuming that you know these things. In a shaker, you
Speaker 2: lightly muddle the vine ripened tomatoes, okay, and then you
Speaker 2: add vodka, pickle brine and burger juice and it says
Speaker 2: or bone, broth and ice, and.
Speaker 3: Then you're just like ringing out a burge.
Speaker 2: And then you shake it. Well, I keep it in
Speaker 2: my pocket. Then you shake it vigorously for ten seconds
Speaker 2: and strain into a martini glass and garnish.
Speaker 3: The last time someone told me to shake vigorously my
Speaker 3: burger juice, I slapped them.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, last time someone told me that I
Speaker 2: made five books.
Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: cocktail pick Okay, then when you're like I've hit rock bottom,
Speaker 2: a seamless red robin, just stemless Martini glass.
Speaker 1: Make that makes sense?
Speaker 2: Beef bone broth pickle, which I know you love bone broth.
Speaker 3: I didn't know Martini glasses had stems, So this is
Speaker 3: you have to have a stem Martine. You're right, yes,
Speaker 3: with the triangle.
Speaker 2: So what does it mean so that your hand warms it?
Speaker 2: You have the stems, so it doesn't So why anyway?
Speaker 2: Pickle Brian, a cocktail napkin and a twenty five dollars
Speaker 2: red Robin gift.
Speaker 1: Card for your trouble.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, pology.
Speaker 2: When you enter to win, you have to also follow
Speaker 2: them on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Oh they still are putting the word win in this somewhere.
Speaker 2: So you follow them on Instagram. You give your first name, name,
Speaker 2: your last name, your Instagram handle, email address, and your
Speaker 2: mailing address. And I refuse to do that, so I
Speaker 2: will not be winning, although maybe I am.
Speaker 3: Winning, yeah exactly. Can you imagine you can get your
Speaker 3: hands on that list.
Speaker 2: The picture of the burger teeny.
Speaker 3: Those people would buy anything.
Speaker 2: It would never end, It would never end, and like
Speaker 2: the Class C companies that would be harassing you when
Speaker 2: they sell their listening.
Speaker 3: We got a new golden crusted bacon.
Speaker 1: The picture is like mustard colored the drink.
Speaker 3: I'm over it. I stopped picturing it. I'm no longer
Speaker 3: allowing any imagery to occur in my head. Every time
Speaker 3: you say anything about the drink, I'm like, nope, Oh god,
Speaker 3: that's like people got paid to come up with that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's getting straight up.
Speaker 3: Predict Yeah, so how many are you getting?
Speaker 2: How many burgertinies? Well, I already entered you because I gave.
Speaker 1: Your Instagram handle, So just get on there and follow.
Speaker 3: Them, and then I can win.
Speaker 2: And then could you imagine getting that in the mail
Speaker 2: and then your post office representatives stop respecting me, stops
Speaker 2: delivering mail to your house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also ridiculous, Elizabeth. Yes, fathers and sons, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess no, they're not ridiculous. I wasn't done, like, okay,
Speaker 3: as a fair about.
Speaker 1: The Turgenev novel.
Speaker 3: No, but as a son, not a father. I can
Speaker 3: only speak to part of this relationship. But I can
Speaker 3: say that, you know, I've known a lot of fathers
Speaker 3: and sons and man do we sometimes have fraught relationships. Sometimes,
Speaker 3: though fathers and sons they can get together and they
Speaker 3: can work on their troubled relationship and via hard work, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: I'm talking chop wood, carry water, they can put the
Speaker 3: troubled pass behind them. Yeah, I know, right. I thought.
Speaker 3: It's a touching story. Fathers and sons. I want to
Speaker 3: tell you about today, Elizabeth. They work tirelessly, diligently together
Speaker 3: to put their troubled past behind them, and together they
Speaker 3: managed to make a troubled future for themselves. Okay, you
Speaker 3: see the father and son that I'm talking about. They
Speaker 3: constructed one thousand pound bomb and they plan to deliver
Speaker 3: it to a casino so that way the father could
Speaker 3: demand a king's ransom. It it will all make sense
Speaker 3: in a second. But you know how they say the
Speaker 3: house always wins, Well, not this time, said the father
Speaker 3: to his son's Elizabeth. Get ready, this story is a black.
Speaker 4: I'm so ready.
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,
Speaker 3: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free
Speaker 3: and one ridiculous burger. Tini, you stop, Elizabeth, Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 2: Hold on a burger tini also makes it sounds like
Speaker 2: if you used hamburger buns as.
Speaker 1: A bikini top.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine a burger dackery a fruit look of
Speaker 3: fruit juice and ice and blended together.
Speaker 1: And then you put the burg in a bread bowl.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stop right now. Okay, the year was
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. This crime took place in your peak California,
Speaker 3: the waning days of it. But Elizabeth, just for edification,
Speaker 3: how would you describe or define or just you know,
Speaker 3: associate free associate on the idea of peak California.
Speaker 2: Peak California is the embodiment of California from like say,
Speaker 2: the mid sixties until the early eighties. And it's it's
Speaker 2: a best version of that. It's sun dappled, it's not
Speaker 2: as crowded. It's uh forward thinking in uh the art
Speaker 2: and the music. And yet there's a sinister overtone to it.
Speaker 3: So would Harold and Maud fit Well in yeah this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know it takes place in San Francisco or the Bay.
Speaker 2: Area Sunset magazine of the age. It is perfect iteration
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm starting to I think I feel this, But.
Speaker 2: It's like the rolling kind of dry hills and like
Speaker 2: I said, sundappled kid's delinquents on surfboards.
Speaker 3: Oh I like this, like that. Okay, so this story
Speaker 3: takes place deep in your peak, California. Nice, I'd like
Speaker 3: to take you back to Lake Tahoe in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: Oh yes, right now. It's the end of summer, the
Speaker 3: last days of August. Specifically, we are at South Lake Tahoe.
Speaker 3: We are at a place called the Balahoe Motel. If
Speaker 3: you were there that night, or rather the early morning
Speaker 3: hours of August twenty sixth, nineteen eighty, you, Elizabeth Dutton,
Speaker 3: would have spotted three men leaving their motel room. These
Speaker 3: three men were dressed in blue coveralls. You probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: have looked twice at them because they look like workers
Speaker 3: headed out to get an early start off the day,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of that in South Shore. Now.
Speaker 3: The men they open the doors of their white van,
Speaker 3: just an industrial van. Once again, you probably not could
Speaker 3: pay attention, but you're nosy, so you do, and they
Speaker 3: climb in. They head off to the purple light of
Speaker 3: just before dawn. They drive into a town called state Line, Nevada.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The California Nevada border in the mountains is home to
Speaker 3: a clutch of casinos. Not great casinos, but casinos. Now
Speaker 3: there's Frank Sinatra's place, the cal Neva, right, We've talked
Speaker 3: about that, but Frank Sinatra Junior. There's Harrah's Lake Tahoe,
Speaker 3: which used to always be on the ads when and
Speaker 3: the billboards when I was a boy. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 3: Johnasquagga's Golden Nuggetqua Nugget Man. Then there's a spot that
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be talking about today, Harvey's Casino.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, that's where the.
Speaker 3: White van pulls up. The three men they climb out
Speaker 3: the wheel, out a box. It's about the size of
Speaker 3: a copy machine, and you go. If you were able
Speaker 3: to still see this, but you know you can't because
Speaker 3: it's just these events are playing out, Elizabeth. They pushed
Speaker 3: the s box through a side entrance into the casino.
Speaker 3: The men in their coveralls, they look like delivery men,
Speaker 3: as I've told you, workers whatever. You know, their presence
Speaker 3: once again unquestioned, even in the casino. They're at roughly
Speaker 3: four am. In fact, the security guard working that morning,
Speaker 3: he held open the door for them He's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: come on in, guys. He knew that, you know, you
Speaker 3: gotta do the casino's business. And that's when it's done,
Speaker 3: is early in the morning, when there's no real you know,
Speaker 3: roobs around to get in the way. So the printer
Speaker 3: sized box that they wheel into the casino has a
Speaker 3: slip cover on it. This is to hide its true
Speaker 3: purpose on the slip cover with three letters ibm oh.
Speaker 3: New fangled technology must be something for car I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty that meant you know, I don't know, computer
Speaker 3: counting device. It didn't mean what we think, but back
Speaker 3: then it meant big business. Now exactly the sort of
Speaker 3: thing that workmen would deliver to a casino at four am.
Speaker 3: So three workmen, they're guiding their machine to a service elevator.
Speaker 3: They take it up, the doors closed, the men hits
Speaker 3: number two, the elevator rises, the doors slide back open,
Speaker 3: and boom. Now on the second floor. The three men
Speaker 3: they wheel their machine through the empty second floor of
Speaker 3: executive office. Elizabeth, you are in Harvey's at five the morning,
Speaker 3: basically at four thirty whatever, and so there's nobody, no
Speaker 3: executives there, But they find an office with an open door,
Speaker 3: and they wheel the machine inside. The mastermind of this
Speaker 3: group of three he glues toothpicks into the doorway. Why toothpicks?
Speaker 1: Wow, my toothpick.
Speaker 3: This was to prevent some you know, Schlamiel walking heavy
Speaker 3: footed into the office. Right, They didn't want anybody, So
Speaker 3: the toothpicks he touches. Oh, even through like normal shoes
Speaker 3: and like hard leather soles, you'd still notice the toothpicks.
Speaker 3: I guess whatever, you know, it's his plan anyway. The
Speaker 3: mastermind he primes his machine. He arms the eight different
Speaker 3: triggering devices inside the machine, as I said, was a
Speaker 3: one thousand pounds of dynamite. The bomb is now set.
Speaker 3: The three delivery men walk out of the casino office.
Speaker 3: They ride the elevator back down to the casino floor
Speaker 3: and they call me walk back to their van. They
Speaker 3: pile into the white van and disappear into the purple
Speaker 3: of morning. A perfect crime, right, Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: Thousand pounds? Yes, So they're rolling around half ton of explosives.
Speaker 3: Wow, and it was all like hair. We're moving very
Speaker 3: carefully because the balances. Yeah, it'll come into play later on,
Speaker 3: it matters. Right, we're twenty minutes after these men leave.
Speaker 3: A slot manager. He's just working the floor. He's got
Speaker 3: to take up, you know, whatever they've been able to
Speaker 3: vacuum out of the suckers in the midnight hours. Right,
Speaker 3: he's working the graveyard shift. This is not primo, but
Speaker 3: he's like, we made some chains, let me take it upstairs.
Speaker 3: Goes up to the second floor. He notices these toothpicks
Speaker 3: that I told you about, and he's like, oh, what's
Speaker 3: up with that. Then he notices that somebody has tampered
Speaker 3: with the door locks. He's like that suspicious as all hell.
Speaker 3: Then he sees the machine sitting there in the middle
Speaker 3: of this office and he's like that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: It's all alone and silent and eerie looking. So he
Speaker 3: contacts casino management because he's basically a pit boss. So
Speaker 3: he's like, I gotta tell somebody else. I'm not dealing
Speaker 3: with this. Then they come in, they see what he saw,
Speaker 3: and they're like, contact the police. So they immediately contact
Speaker 3: the police. The police, right, they're followed shortly by agents
Speaker 3: from where Elizabeth the FBI's Carson City field office now
Speaker 3: left for the authorities. Was an envelope inside of it
Speaker 3: was a note from said mastermind. The note was three
Speaker 3: pages long. It was it was more to the point.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like one of these rambling like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: talk about Jane Fonda what she's been doing to the boys. No,
Speaker 3: nothing like. He sticks to the point, right. He warned
Speaker 3: police to use serious caution. Now I'll read a couple
Speaker 3: of lines from they, just to give you a flavor
Speaker 3: of his note. He said, do not move or tilt
Speaker 3: this bomb because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it
Speaker 3: will set it off at a movement of less than
Speaker 3: point zero one of the open end Richter scale. We're
Speaker 3: talking real engineer here, Yeah, right now, don't. He also
Speaker 3: said don't try to flood or gas the bomb. So
Speaker 3: apparently he knows what they able to try to do,
Speaker 3: and he's like, no, I prepared for it. Because there
Speaker 3: is a float switch and an atmospheric pressure switch set
Speaker 3: at twenty six to thirty three. Both are attached to detonators.
Speaker 1: I think he's full of it, but go on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now he tells for people like you, don't try
Speaker 3: to take it apart. The flathead screws are also attached
Speaker 3: to triggers and as much as one quarter to three
Speaker 3: quarters of a turn will cause an explosion. In other words,
Speaker 3: this bomb is so sensitive that the slightest movement, either
Speaker 3: inside or outside, will cause it to explode. This bomb
Speaker 3: can never be dismantled or disarmed without causing an explosion,
Speaker 3: not even by the creator, which was him. Only by
Speaker 3: proper instruction, can be moved to a safe place where
Speaker 3: it can be deliberately exploded, or where the third automatic
Speaker 3: timer can be allowed to detonate it. He's got eight
Speaker 3: triggers now, and he continues, there are three automatic timers,
Speaker 3: each set for three different explosion times. Things is a
Speaker 3: wild card. The bomb has three different timers set to
Speaker 3: three different random times he selected. Okay, and he doesn't
Speaker 3: mention what they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean like if one goes off, then
Speaker 2: like bo so long the other two?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, So he just has them.
Speaker 1: So why the three?
Speaker 3: Well we'll get into that. Only if you comply with
Speaker 3: the instructions in this letter will you be given instructions
Speaker 3: on how to disconnect the first two automatic timers and
Speaker 3: how to move the bomb to a place where it
Speaker 3: can be exploded safely with the third timers. The third
Speaker 3: timer still with the two. Yeah, so this dude's made
Speaker 3: one hell of a bomb, right, Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 3: But I forgot. There was another stern warning that he
Speaker 3: had added, I repeat, do not try to move disarmor
Speaker 3: enter this bomb. It will explode if exploded. This bomb
Speaker 3: contains enough TNT to severely damage Harrah's across the street.
Speaker 3: This should give you some idea of the amount of
Speaker 3: TNT contained within this box. It is full of TNT.
Speaker 3: It is our advice to cordon off a minimum of
Speaker 3: twelve hundred feet radius and remove all the people from
Speaker 3: that area. The note also had a demand, because you
Speaker 3: were like, what is he doingore? Yeah, three million dollars
Speaker 3: cash on the barrelhead. They must be unmarked, unbugged, and
Speaker 3: chemically untreated. If we find anything wrong with the money,
Speaker 3: we will stop all instructions for removing the bomb. The note
Speaker 3: ended with two pithy words which hinted at the bomber
Speaker 3: sense of humor, happy landing. This is actually it's not
Speaker 3: about the bomb exploding you into the air. This is
Speaker 3: more about the helicopter that he has. Is also part
Speaker 3: of his note. We'll get into later. Anyway. After they
Speaker 3: finished reading the note, the gathered FBI field agents, the
Speaker 3: local police, sheriffs, whatnot. They had a vague sense of
Speaker 3: what they were dealing with. A comic book style villain.
Speaker 3: H wow, this guy's on full tilt. He had built
Speaker 3: on his own one of the most ingenious bombs they'd
Speaker 3: ever faced. FBI was like, who, we're gonna need to
Speaker 3: get in the good bomb squad, No offense, Carson Field office.
Speaker 3: So retired FBI special agent Chris Rone. He recalled, we
Speaker 3: had never seen anything quite like it. So he's like
Speaker 3: one of the explosive experts. He's called up the second
Speaker 3: floor of Harvey's Casino. The first steps of these guys
Speaker 3: take their standard right, So the bomb is photographed from
Speaker 3: the outside. It's X ray so they can see on
Speaker 3: the inside. It was dusted for fingerprints. After all of that,
Speaker 3: the FBI experts had learned almost nothing. They knew that
Speaker 3: there was two boxes inside of the box. That's what
Speaker 3: they got out of it. Like, okay, we see there's
Speaker 3: two boxes. So now Rene would later he would tell
Speaker 3: Sacramento's KCRA Channel three, Elizabeth, Yes, they did a documentary
Speaker 3: on this, like a local documentary. Vocals you would I
Speaker 3: should have saved it for you anyway, they said in
Speaker 3: Wonder Person. But Rone said in the documentary the FBI
Speaker 3: Special Agent, he said, quote, this device was a pretty sophisticated,
Speaker 3: quite complicated piece of machinery, unlike anything we've seen before,
Speaker 3: anybody in the bomb disposal business had ever seen before. Wow.
Speaker 3: So this guy knocked it out of the box first time.
Speaker 3: He's like, boom, I made Look at you, so shout
Speaker 3: out ca Cira anyway, FBI special field Agent. He later
Speaker 3: concluded that what we know about it afterwards is that
Speaker 3: it was virtually undefeatable. There was a very simple reason
Speaker 3: for that. As I told you, there was the eight
Speaker 3: fusing systems. So yeah, So then the FBI was like,
Speaker 3: we need to bring our a game. What's reconvene and
Speaker 3: if we could we take a commercial break since we can,
Speaker 3: let's do that and we'll be right back after this
Speaker 3: with some boom boom, and we're back. Elizabeth, You're ready,
Speaker 3: you buckled up, buttercut. Okay, So let's get into the team.
Speaker 3: The FBI, as I told you, they had a bunch
Speaker 3: of field agents. They were led by a very special agent.
Speaker 3: That's his name, Special Agent William, Special Agent, Special Agent
Speaker 3: William junkie. Now I think it's junky. It's spelled j
Speaker 3: O n k e y, like donkey with a J.
Speaker 3: He's junky. Maybe it's like a Junk's no, he's a junky.
Speaker 3: But I like Bill Junky.
Speaker 2: It's such a it's a mashup. It's like Chunky Junkie, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Chunky Donkey Monkey. Basically Jones and Monkey had a baby. Anyway,
Speaker 3: face with a bomb. His experts said to Will Bill
Speaker 3: Junky is it seems damn near impossible. Bill, We don't
Speaker 3: know what to do, and so he's, okay, let me
Speaker 3: contact the owner of Harvey's and give him the bad news.
Speaker 3: So he tells him the FBI special agent. He recommends
Speaker 3: that the owner and the guy's name is Harvey Gross.
Speaker 3: He damned the place after himself, but he decided not
Speaker 3: to call it Gross's, so he called it Harvey's. Good choice.
Speaker 3: So he's like, there, hey, Harvey, you probably want to
Speaker 3: arrange to pay the ransom. We have no idea what
Speaker 3: to do with this bomb. He's like bomb. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: by the way, there's a bomb in your casino and
Speaker 3: then there's a ransom request. I should reverse the order
Speaker 3: on that anyway. I'm way down the road to Harvey anyway.
Speaker 3: So the ransom, they're like, don don't worry, it won't
Speaker 3: be your money. We're gonna fake the ransom. And he's like,
Speaker 3: I like him. Where you're headed to that? So tell
Speaker 3: me more. So Harvey and the FBI they got together.
Speaker 3: They decided, okay, we'll do the exchange. According to the
Speaker 3: he's got a three page letter here that Harvey. Do
Speaker 3: you want to read it? We've gone over it. You know.
Speaker 3: In here there's a whole thing about the helicopter. Harvey's like, okay, helicopter.
Speaker 3: My Helicopter's like, yeah, you're a helicopter. Has to be
Speaker 3: your helicopter, my private helicopter. Yeah, he knows you got
Speaker 3: a helicopter. Okay, fine, my helicopter it is. But I
Speaker 3: don't want to know. Don't worry about I'm not going
Speaker 3: to send you out there to meet this guy so quick.
Speaker 3: Thank god, what are we going to do. We're sending
Speaker 3: FBI guys in your chopper. And he's like really, He's like,
Speaker 3: we do this all the time. We love this move.
Speaker 3: As we can cover, we can attest they love this move.
Speaker 1: But again, I know, I feel like I've said this
Speaker 1: on here. Maybe it was just.
Speaker 2: Talking to myself while pretending not to watch TV in
Speaker 2: my living room, But has it ever worked out like
Speaker 2: where someone takes a hostage or does something. In this case,
Speaker 2: he is holding the entire operation hostage, but then to
Speaker 2: say I want a helicopter and I want them to
Speaker 2: take in modern time, yeah, he used.
Speaker 3: To work out when they used to negotiate with terrorists
Speaker 3: and who had hostages. So in the seventies and up,
Speaker 3: and we're in the period that this is still weather
Speaker 3: viable negotiation tactic. They now we have kind of flipped
Speaker 3: a needle to we don't negotiate with terrorists and we're
Speaker 3: just going to like turn the guns on you or whatever,
Speaker 3: and like, you know, pray for the people you're holding.
Speaker 1: Do they really think they get into a helicopter and
Speaker 1: get away.
Speaker 3: They did not. They didn't. They they did, they didn't.
Speaker 3: It's kind of hard to explain. Uh, Harold, I'll just
Speaker 3: get into it. Sorry, no, no, no, no, no no. Basically, the FBI guys
Speaker 3: were like, look, we're gonna fake the exchange. We'll use
Speaker 3: some real flash money. We'll put that on top in
Speaker 3: the briefcase. Most of it will just be this fake money.
Speaker 3: Harvey Grosser is like, you guys got fake money. He's like,
Speaker 3: can I see? It's like, oh yeah, it's great, you'll
Speaker 3: love it. It's green, it passes a cursory, you know,
Speaker 3: visual inspection. He's like, oh, that's amazing. So yeah, the
Speaker 3: whole plan is we'll fly over there, we'll do the exchange,
Speaker 3: and I we'll just grab him. He's like, okay, it
Speaker 3: seems like it could work. So they thought, well, you know,
Speaker 3: if he doesn't work, it'll still buy us time to
Speaker 3: try to beat this unbeatable bomb. He's like, okay, I
Speaker 3: got it. So you need to work both sides of
Speaker 3: this one. So Harvey gross he tells the FBI, I'm down.
Speaker 3: Let's go play catch him and maybe buy some time. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he contacts the bomber and he arranges the payoff in exchange,
Speaker 3: you know, for the money, he'll get instructions or how
Speaker 3: to turn the bomb off or how to diffuse it
Speaker 3: rather using technical term. Meanwhile, FBI agents they spring at action.
Speaker 3: They set up a sting operation. Right, so this is
Speaker 3: where things start to get ridiculous. Now, the mastermind, remember
Speaker 3: I told you, he construct an absolute banger of a bomb.
Speaker 3: But that's where his team really excelled. The rest of
Speaker 3: it they were pathetic. They were really subpar criminals other
Speaker 3: than the bomb making. So on paper their planned bang
Speaker 3: up look great, right. But in his note the Mastermind,
Speaker 3: he has told you he left explicit instructions for the
Speaker 3: rants of exchange. He basically said, and I quote, the
Speaker 3: money is to be delivered by helicopter. The helicopter pilot
Speaker 3: is to park at twenty three hundred hours as close
Speaker 3: as possible to the LTA building by the light at
Speaker 3: the Lake Tahoe Airports LTA, Lake Tahoe Airport. It is
Speaker 3: to face the east. The pilot has to be alone
Speaker 3: and unarmed. The pilot is to get out and stand
Speaker 3: by the chain link fence gate. He is to wait
Speaker 3: for further instructions, which will be delivered by a taxi
Speaker 3: that will be hired. Don't worry about the driver will
Speaker 3: pay them anyway. They noticed that will be hired. The
Speaker 3: driver will know nothing. So that's the point is like,
Speaker 3: it's not one of us. So they may also be
Speaker 3: delivered by a private individual or through the nearby public
Speaker 3: phone at exactly ten minutes after midnight, So one of
Speaker 3: these three things will occur. We go.
Speaker 1: You can tell you what question one of three.
Speaker 3: Exactly big on three. You may have a thing about that. Anyway,
Speaker 3: at ten past midnight, the pilot will receive instructions about
Speaker 3: where to do and what to do. I think they
Speaker 3: mean where to go. So there's a typo in any way,
Speaker 3: whatever I'm reading it as is, before the pilot enters
Speaker 3: the helicopter, he has to take a strong flashlight and
Speaker 3: shine it around inside of the helicopter so that it
Speaker 3: will light up the entire inside. We must be able
Speaker 3: to see it from a distance with binoculars. We want
Speaker 3: to be able to see that everything that is inside
Speaker 3: the helicopter so that we can be sure there is
Speaker 3: no one hiding inside and there is no contraband inside. Wow,
Speaker 3: it's like eleven year olds came up with a strong flashlight.
Speaker 1: It's like that.
Speaker 2: Well, they want that giant flashlight that I have that's
Speaker 2: like ten thousand lumens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing you can use to like battle the luxar.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can light the whole street.
Speaker 3: Let me see what you got, luxar. How about this? Anyway,
Speaker 3: FBI they do it's destructive. The bureau they arrange his
Speaker 3: hand off the Mastermind and his henchmen. They agreed to
Speaker 3: do the exchange. They had some other warnington stipulations should
Speaker 3: probably get into. For instance, he said, remember that even
Speaker 3: a very small earthquake will detonate the bomb, So do
Speaker 3: not try to delay to the delivery of the money.
Speaker 1: Do not have an earthquake.
Speaker 3: Ye, they're now using earthquakes as part of their threat.
Speaker 3: You gotta love that. I mean, that's that's Hutspa. So
Speaker 3: any hopes of capturing him at the exchange, he once
Speaker 3: again he said, quote the designer of this bomb will
Speaker 3: not participate in the exchange, so will be completely useless
Speaker 3: to apprehend any person making the exchange because they will
Speaker 3: not know how it works. They perform their duty for reward.
Speaker 3: So and he had one final warning, just in case
Speaker 3: you did not believe him on all the above, and
Speaker 3: a final word of warning, do not try to be
Speaker 3: a hero. Arlington is full of them, and they can't
Speaker 3: even smell the flowers. Oh my god, ice right and
Speaker 3: being like oh, like, oh, I'm a Bond villain to.
Speaker 1: Like shine the light in the helicopter. Ps, yeah, here's
Speaker 1: something dark.
Speaker 3: I'm dropping bars like Tupac I'm like, damn bar oh okay. Anyway,
Speaker 3: the Mastermind's plan was set in motion. It seemed like
Speaker 3: the FBI had responded, everything's going according to plant, and
Speaker 3: as I told you, everything get ridiculous. It went sideways.
Speaker 3: How Why well, Elizabeth, here's why. It was a family job.
Speaker 3: The brilliant Mastermind had made a fatal mistake in planning
Speaker 3: his brilliant operation. He worked with his sons. The FBI
Speaker 3: ignored his instructions, and they'd always planned on capturing about
Speaker 3: the exchange. That didn't matter because the payoff, you know,
Speaker 3: as I said, it was supposed to be delivered by
Speaker 3: Harvey Gross's personal chopper. The FBI pilot was gonna be
Speaker 3: at the stick. Whatever the suitcase. They had the money,
Speaker 3: they had real cover bills for the flash. Everything would
Speaker 3: be good. But the FBI agents had forgotten that the
Speaker 3: person they're dealing with was an idiot. So they landed
Speaker 3: at the Lake Tahoe Airport. They landed as instructed, near
Speaker 3: a telephone booth. The phone rings. That part goes off
Speaker 3: without a hitch. Mastermind tells the chopper pilot fly to Plasterville,
Speaker 3: and he's like, uh, okay, I know where that is
Speaker 3: he'd like that in the hills to the west of Change. Yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly down by west of Tahoe for those who don't know,
Speaker 3: is in these nice rolling hills. So at a specific
Speaker 3: compass point, the chopper is supposed to land at a
Speaker 3: flashing red beacon. The chopper pilot did as told, flew
Speaker 3: to Plastererville. He lined up this specific compass punk and
Speaker 3: then he looked, but there was no beacon. Why because
Speaker 3: the mastermind and his son had left the twelve old
Speaker 3: battery for the beacon back in Fresno.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 3: But don't worry, Elizabeth. They discovered big, big square battery
Speaker 3: with the coils on top. So they discovered their mistake
Speaker 3: on the way to the ransom exchange in Placerville from Fresno.
Speaker 3: So they were like, can you imagine the fight between
Speaker 3: father and son the battery. You forgot the battery. So
Speaker 3: they decided, you know, after a lot of shouting, that
Speaker 3: they still had time to go buy a new twelve
Speaker 3: old battery. So they you know, the Colmheads will win
Speaker 3: the day, Elizabeth. They don't lose the sight of the
Speaker 3: gold baby. We got three million dollars on the line, boys.
Speaker 3: So the Colmheads were not the actual case of the day, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: because these guys with the father and son team, because
Speaker 3: it's just a father and son, not both sons for
Speaker 3: this drive. So one of his sons and the father
Speaker 3: they went to go buy the new battery. They stopped
Speaker 3: in Plaiserville. They thought, you know, there's got to be
Speaker 3: an auto parts story. They find an auto part store.
Speaker 3: There is one in Plasterville. They're stoked. They go to
Speaker 3: Oh O'Reilly and they get into a loud, shouting argument
Speaker 3: with the salesman at the autoparts store. What yes, he
Speaker 3: keeps trying to sell them a battery for the Volvo
Speaker 3: that they clearly drove up and parked, and they were like, no, no,
Speaker 3: we need this other twelve old battery, and he's like,
Speaker 3: don't you need a car battery? And they're arguing back
Speaker 3: and forth and he keeps trying to give him the
Speaker 3: battery for the Volvo. So they fought about it. They
Speaker 3: get loud, and.
Speaker 1: Eventually that will make you memorable.
Speaker 3: Eventually things calm down. The father and son they actually
Speaker 3: get to buy the battery from the salesman.
Speaker 1: Like you can kid, You're like, no, I don't need
Speaker 1: it for my car. But you need it for your car.
Speaker 3: No, exactly, two memorable guys. So now they get back
Speaker 3: to the meadow, but the FBI's chopper is coming gone,
Speaker 3: So they missed the chopper. So Mastermind and Son miss
Speaker 3: their payoff of three million dollars. But really what they
Speaker 3: missed was getting busted in a meadow. That's what they missed.
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, the FBI, the Sheriff's department, the local im squad,
Speaker 3: Harvey Gross, they all get together like, what do you
Speaker 3: mean they missed the payoff? They weren't there, and you
Speaker 3: think this is part of their plan? What's going on?
Speaker 3: They don't know what to do. I's like, don't worry,
Speaker 3: don't worry, let's move on to Plan B. Harvey Gross
Speaker 3: is like, what's the Plan B? They're like, Plan B
Speaker 3: is let's blow the bomb up ourselves. He's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know about this plan being in my casino. Guys,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? Are you going to agree
Speaker 3: we're gonna move it? No, we can't move it.
Speaker 1: And the harrows across the street. He's like, yeah, can
Speaker 1: we have a word yet?
Speaker 3: No, who' said? I heard ourselves? So okay. So the
Speaker 3: owner of the chopper and Harvey Gross he's in a bind.
Speaker 3: He's got the FBI guys going, we also want to
Speaker 3: blow this up. So he's like, my my beloved money
Speaker 3: printing machine, my casino is at risk. So his casino
Speaker 3: has a bomb big enough in it to blow up
Speaker 3: neighboring casinos, right exactly. So he's like, okay, guys, well
Speaker 3: tell me about this. Let's blow it up plan Like,
Speaker 3: how are you going to blow up a bomb? I
Speaker 3: don't even understand that. They're like, okay, well, don't worry
Speaker 3: about it. We I told you. We did the X ray.
Speaker 3: We saw there's a box on a box. He's like, okay,
Speaker 3: was there a Plan C? But before we get into
Speaker 3: this box on a box, he's like, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 3: don't have a plant C. Is anyone working on a
Speaker 3: plant sy? No, there is no plantcy, just Plan B
Speaker 3: blow up the bomb. Okay. So now, Harvey, you have
Speaker 3: to understand he's had this casino since nineteen forty four.
Speaker 3: We're in nineteen eighty. This is not like a new
Speaker 3: un out of Lark. He started this thing in the
Speaker 3: war years, just a simple cabin and a blackjack table
Speaker 3: and a dream and a couple of one arm bandits
Speaker 3: slot machines.
Speaker 1: No, not slot machines.
Speaker 3: It's just a couple of one arm bandits. Those are
Speaker 3: for the rubes and the board and the snowbound in
Speaker 3: the winter centries. Yeah, exactly, No, Harvey. He builds us
Speaker 3: up into Harvey's casino. It's one of the great gambling
Speaker 3: houses on beautiful Lake Tahoe. I mean, yeah, he's living
Speaker 3: the dream. The f guy's like, we want to blow
Speaker 3: it all up, and he's like, I really have hesitations, guys,
Speaker 3: so they're no, they promise him bomb Squad's great. These
Speaker 3: guys bang up job. I'm sorry, they do a great job.
Speaker 3: I'll stop saying that. Harvey's like, can we just what
Speaker 3: is this plan? Like, what are you like? Okay, Harvey,
Speaker 3: you ever heard of C four? And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've heard a C four. It's a good military uses it.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, we got some of that stuff too. We're
Speaker 3: gonna put that on the bomb and it's a shape
Speaker 3: charge and we're just gonna try to blow the fuse,
Speaker 3: like you know, right off. The triggering mechanism is gonna
Speaker 3: blow that right off the bomb. He's like, you're gonna
Speaker 3: blow the bomb apart? Yeah? Yeah, that's the idea. So
Speaker 3: at this point, it's August twenty seventh, nineteen eighty, on
Speaker 3: the second floor of Harvey Casino. We have the bomb
Speaker 3: with the eight triggers that are impossible to diffuse, and
Speaker 3: the FBI is ready to go to it, right, So
Speaker 3: they call this a render safe plan and actually have
Speaker 3: the gall to call it that anyway. So the Mastermind,
Speaker 3: he was in a generous mood. He wanted to give
Speaker 3: the FBI a little more time to negotiate after he
Speaker 3: missed his payoffs. He's like, hey, guys, is me the Mastermind?
Speaker 3: So I missed you. I wanted to see who get
Speaker 3: set up a little meat and greet. So he's like,
Speaker 3: after that whole helicopter debacle, let's do a little simpler plan.
Speaker 3: Let's just talk about how you guys can get to
Speaker 3: me the money, you know, Let's do a do over.
Speaker 3: You guys cool. They're like yeah, yeah, they're just at
Speaker 3: this point they're just stalling, right. So the Mastermind he
Speaker 3: instructed the FBI field agents and the bomb squad. Guys.
Speaker 3: He's like, here, if you guys, you're about to have
Speaker 3: an imminent explosion. One of the first triggers is going
Speaker 3: to go off. So here's how to diffuse trigger one.
Speaker 3: So he tells them that buys them some more time.
Speaker 3: They're like, this guy's are right, it's kind of reasonable, right.
Speaker 3: So one of the agents FI field agents they recalled
Speaker 3: and I quote, they told us to hit switch number
Speaker 3: five and that would give us additional time. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that guy's decent, right. There was one problem with that.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth the agent also said, and I quote, I couldn't
Speaker 3: find any volunteers willing to flip switch number five. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the FBI guys are all busy going, I'll work on
Speaker 3: a crowd control. They're all outside the building, right, So
Speaker 3: Harvey's casino guests have been safely huddled into nearby White
Speaker 3: Hole High School. So they're like, they got all the
Speaker 3: guests from the casino in the high school. There's like
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty rooms in the in the casino,
Speaker 3: so the crowd is also big because it's a Labor
Speaker 3: Day holiday, so the employees are also there from the
Speaker 3: evacuated hotel, so they're all gathered from about three different hotels.
Speaker 3: They got all the local cops to bomb squad, and
Speaker 3: then just a local you know, lookie loose, and there's
Speaker 3: a plenty of discussion about how this is all gonna work.
Speaker 3: If it would work, most of the folks they expect
Speaker 3: a good show. So let's take you there now, Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: I'd like to close your eyes.
Speaker 1: And picture it as it's.
Speaker 3: A surprisingly warm day in late August. Here at the
Speaker 3: shores of South Lake Tidle. You're just over the California border,
Speaker 3: currently in state Line, Nevada. The Mercury is hovering near
Speaker 3: eighty degrees. You are thankful for the tiny umbrella that's
Speaker 3: part of your hot dog stand. That's right, I said it,
Speaker 3: your hot dog stand, Elizabeth. You are slanging Sonoran hot
Speaker 3: dogs from a one woman hot dog push cart. Yes,
Speaker 3: the rainbow striped umbrella serves two purposes. It makes you
Speaker 3: easy to spot in the crowd, and it offers you
Speaker 3: some shade. It's about three thirty in the afternoon and
Speaker 3: it's hot as well. It doesn't matter. You've positioned your
Speaker 3: hot dog push cart here outside the doors to Johnasquagga's nugget. Right,
Speaker 3: you can see Harris and Harvey's casino, because that's where
Speaker 3: most of the crowd is focused, and thus you're gonna
Speaker 3: sell these folks. Some hot dogs. These are norm beauties.
Speaker 3: They practically sell themselves. Soon people get a whiff of
Speaker 3: that delicious bacon wrap dog you've got glistening on the grill,
Speaker 3: they reach for their cash. You're doing good business. In fact,
Speaker 3: at the moment, you've got a pair of FBI guys
Speaker 3: somewhat stressed out and clearly preoccupied. They're waiting for the
Speaker 3: dogs you're preparing. Well. The one scenarian hot dog, the
Speaker 3: one FBI guy, he already has his, and he's politely
Speaker 3: waiting for his buddy to get his. He keeps eyeing
Speaker 3: it as they wait. They discussed the next steps in
Speaker 3: their delicate operation. I'm just not sure about their shape
Speaker 3: charge plan. The hot dog holding FBI guys says to
Speaker 3: his partner, the one watching you prepare his dog. He says, oh,
Speaker 3: extra onions please now. The hot dog holding guy, the
Speaker 3: first one. He continues his worried train of thought. He's like,
Speaker 3: I know the sheriff said, everything's a go. We have
Speaker 3: local deputies clear the casinos. Yeah, I get that. And
Speaker 3: they say they packed up all their stuff, didn't miss
Speaker 3: a toothbrush. Great, thanks sheriff. But now with the luggage
Speaker 3: and the evacuated guests. Are we really gonna do this? Well,
Speaker 3: the other FBI guy says, well, a couple extra napkins.
Speaker 3: This looks like it's gonna be greasy. He's still eyeballing
Speaker 3: that scenarian dog. He turns the other one. He's like
Speaker 3: the year chips. The FBI guys school confused. Oh no,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he catches up. We picked up the entire
Speaker 3: casino chip collection. It's all secured in a location. You
Speaker 3: think the news cameras are far enough back. I don't
Speaker 3: know about that. And then you say, and here you go,
Speaker 3: and you hand over that beautiful sonorian hot dog. The
Speaker 3: FBI guy, he's only paying attention to that. You look
Speaker 3: past him though, At the news cameras pushed right up
Speaker 3: to the police line. The crowd is large and it
Speaker 3: surrounds the news cameras. At the edges. There are some
Speaker 3: other people selling cold drinks, cold beer, much like you
Speaker 3: the cops. They're busy, they don't care about any of this.
Speaker 3: Some casino employees who have arrived to work, they're still
Speaker 3: in uniform. They're dotting the crowd. They come over for
Speaker 3: some hot dogs. Everybody is waiting for something to happen
Speaker 3: or a hot dog. Now, one FBI guy, the first one,
Speaker 3: he says, bomb squad, last report. It sounds like something
Speaker 3: got stuck inside the box. They didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3: Didn't sound good. First. The second FBI guy goes, well,
Speaker 3: this should be good. He takes a bite of that
Speaker 3: Sonarian hot dog. You watch them waiting for the reaction.
Speaker 3: They tear into the bun, into the meat. They close
Speaker 3: their eyes around that bite a dog and they begin
Speaker 3: to and chew that encased meat. The flavors are rupped
Speaker 3: in their mouth and then boom whoa. A tremendous explosion
Speaker 3: rocks the casino. An invisible concussion wave of air pressure
Speaker 3: from the blast hits the crowd tumbled from their feet,
Speaker 3: the noise deafening the red orange flame. Crowds rise with
Speaker 3: mad fury. Smoke chases flames. Both leave behind a five
Speaker 3: story hole in the casino. The gaping maw in the
Speaker 3: building stretches fifty feet wide and thirty feet deep into
Speaker 3: the building. Of the eleven story building, every single window
Speaker 3: in the casino was blown out. Neighboring Harris Casino most
Speaker 3: of their windows are blown out. Chunks of casino explode
Speaker 3: high into the sky, now rained down onto the crowd.
Speaker 3: Flash yards rain in the light, the streets, the parking
Speaker 3: lots dotted with debris. Luckily, no one gets injured. All
Speaker 3: the flying debris passes without hitting a person. You wipe explosion,
Speaker 3: tossed hair back from your face. The two FBI guys
Speaker 3: swallow their bites of Sonoran hot dog, and you call me,
Speaker 3: ask them how are the dogs boys? This one am
Speaker 3: good dog, Elizabeth? Anyway, how was that?
Speaker 1: I had no idea this ever happened up there?
Speaker 3: Yes, right now, if we'd stable our boys from the bureau,
Speaker 3: you would have soon heard over the radio the cause
Speaker 3: for the explosion. It turns out there were two power
Speaker 3: supplies for the bomb. The X rays had missed the
Speaker 3: second power supply, so when their shape charge went off,
Speaker 3: they just triggered the bomb. Oh, by the way, watching
Speaker 3: all this on the news, was a deeply dejected man,
Speaker 3: depressed that his plan had failed, his ransom payoff missed.
Speaker 3: The mastermind was a broken man right up until he
Speaker 3: heard that boom cracked tear the air, and then he
Speaker 3: jumped up elated because he'd gotten his revenge. Let's take
Speaker 3: a little break and I'll come back, and I'll tell
Speaker 3: you why he got his revenge. What happened after this
Speaker 3: whole casino turned by the FBI? All right, Elizabeth, we're back.
Speaker 1: Hey, Yes, we are good ads.
Speaker 3: By the way, I all right, welcome back to Pete, California.
Speaker 3: You ready to wipe the debris.
Speaker 1: From your hair already? It's all I was like gritty,
Speaker 1: But no, it's a good gritty.
Speaker 3: Good good gritty. So the only other better gritties in Philadelphia. Now,
Speaker 3: Harvey Gross, owner of the casino, what's he feeling right now?
Speaker 1: Oh, he's got his insurance company on the.
Speaker 3: Line on speed dial. The FBI had done more damage,
Speaker 3: both financially and personally, than even the mad bomber had intended,
Speaker 3: because when all was said and done, the estimated damage
Speaker 3: to the casino was eighteen million dollars. Oh that was
Speaker 3: six times more than what the bomber was asking for. Oh,
Speaker 3: oh God, just pay the ransom anyway. The mastermind, he'd
Speaker 3: always meant to get paid. He never meant for the
Speaker 3: bomb to go off. That's why he had all the
Speaker 3: triggers and the timing and all the whole instructions. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he'd made such a real and credible machine. He'd
Speaker 3: you know, he's like he wanted the for similitude. So
Speaker 3: he made the bomb and it was impeccably well designed
Speaker 3: machine and it went off beautifully. It tore apart that casino. Well,
Speaker 3: time to meet this mastermind and his failed sons. Yeah, ready, Yes,
Speaker 3: his name was John Burgess Senior. He was born in
Speaker 3: Hungary in nineteen twenty two. He came of age under
Speaker 3: Fascist occupation. Soon there after he learned what life was
Speaker 3: like under the Soviet block so he went from Nazis
Speaker 3: to Soviets, sah. He was part of the Hungarian resistance
Speaker 3: to the Soviet takeover. He told his sons he'd flown
Speaker 3: in World War Two, but then he really mastered his
Speaker 3: skills as a pilot against the Soviet Air Force defending
Speaker 3: his native Hungary. So this guy was a brave young man.
Speaker 3: Gets shot down, captured in April forty eight. He's tried, convicted,
Speaker 3: sentenced to twenty five years hard labor in a Siberian
Speaker 3: work camp. He got it. Yeah, for eight and a
Speaker 3: half years he was out there wielding a prisoner's hammer.
Speaker 3: He took large rocks, he turned him into smaller rock.
Speaker 1: No, he was originally a Nazi.
Speaker 3: Right he flew. Yeah, he basically for the Lufwaffa. So
Speaker 3: the Hungary was on the side of the Nazis, and
Speaker 3: then he fought against the Soviets in a continuing occupation
Speaker 3: and resistance, and so they were like, no, we resist.
Speaker 3: I don't care if the Nazis are gone. We're still fighting.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was on the he was flying a
Speaker 3: loofwafter plane. He was a Hungarian Nazi. Feels him no, no, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's in his brutal, backbreaking work. He gets released by
Speaker 3: the Soviets, sent home to Hungary. Nineteen fifty six, he's
Speaker 3: caught again, captured by the Soviet forces because apparently he's
Speaker 3: not good at staying free. He'd been defending his hometown.
Speaker 3: So now this twice caught enemy, he's facing death on
Speaker 3: the spot. He gets sentenced to death. Right there, You're like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: suddenly good luck steps in. All right. So, due to
Speaker 3: his youth and in he's you know, reinforced by his
Speaker 3: time into Siberian work camp. John Burgess. He knew how
Speaker 3: to speak an effortless and rather eloquent Russian apparently, so
Speaker 3: he convinced the Soviets not to kill him. He charmed
Speaker 3: his captors. He persuaded them, please don't kill me, right,
Speaker 3: they stall his execution, like we'll kill you tomorrow, and
Speaker 3: then so he manages to charm his way out of
Speaker 3: a mass grave. That works, and then so the next
Speaker 3: day comes. He lives through that and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we'll kill you the next day. And he's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: just one more day, guys, how about another sunset guy? Seriously? Right,
Speaker 3: So he's not telling his good of a story, so
Speaker 3: only makes it three days, right, So he makes it
Speaker 3: three days in the Hungarian resistance strikes and they free him.
Speaker 3: So he gets freed from Soviet captivity. Now he knows
Speaker 3: he won't be three times lucky, so he's like, I
Speaker 3: need to get the heck out of here. So he
Speaker 3: starts tracking high distances and long as far as he can,
Speaker 3: Chris crosses the continent. He works his way, disguising himself
Speaker 3: as a Red Cross interpreter. He hides among the aid workers.
Speaker 3: So by May fifty seven, he's made it all the
Speaker 3: way to the US. He and his wife they arrive
Speaker 3: in New Jersey. He's like, Oh, what's that smell. I'm
Speaker 3: kidding New Jersey, My family's from there anyway, far enough
Speaker 3: from communism for his liking. He's happy in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: But he's like, you know what, I think, I want
Speaker 3: to keep going west. West was working me. Flet's he
Speaker 3: keep going west, keeps going west until he gets to
Speaker 3: calif exactly how so John Burgess he finds work as
Speaker 3: a landscaper. He worked in the steel factories, and eventually
Speaker 3: he became a rest a tour in Fresno, California, opened
Speaker 3: a little spot called Villa Basque. I don't know how
Speaker 3: Hungarian opened a basque restaurant, but hey, it's Fresno in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Maybe he traversed through Basque country on his way out.
Speaker 3: Sure he did.
Speaker 1: Maybe he really It stuck to him, like just with
Speaker 1: the cuisine.
Speaker 3: Here's just a fly paper for recipes. Anyway, Burgess, he
Speaker 3: and his wife, they liked the life that they found
Speaker 3: there in the San Joaquin Valley, that beautiful valley that
Speaker 3: runs down the center of the state Elizabeth. He and
Speaker 3: his wife they started a family, two boys, John Junior
Speaker 3: and James, very biblical names. They made a new home
Speaker 3: in California. John Senior, he had left the past in
Speaker 3: his prison time and the horrors of the war behind
Speaker 3: his Nazi pass the whole bed. Now he's an American, right,
Speaker 3: but those horrors were still inside him. They weren't resolved,
Speaker 3: so they often came out angry, drunken bouts and bursts.
Speaker 3: His wifs and sons. They feared us his violence. By
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, his wife had enough. She divorces him.
Speaker 3: Right well, they remained living together, but on the same
Speaker 3: piece of property. So now he's she's living in a
Speaker 3: trailer on her husband's property. Two years past, she goes
Speaker 3: through a hard two years and she eventually passes away.
Speaker 3: John Senior goes into a rapid descent into darkness. Following
Speaker 3: his wife's early demise. He starts twisting in him his
Speaker 3: ideas of right and wrong, and he decides, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, turn my back on my business.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna start traveling. He mostly travels east into
Speaker 3: the Sierra. Those beautiful granite mountains Elizabeth do Vista's. He
Speaker 3: ignores them because he's on his way to the South
Speaker 3: Shore Lake Tahoe in State Line, Nevada. Hey, yep, he
Speaker 3: wants them. Blackjack table, So he would play for hours,
Speaker 3: apparently just chasing grief. Another tragedy of Befelm, his restaurant,
Speaker 3: Villa Basque, burns down. I don't know if he's an
Speaker 3: insurance fire, but anyway, he gets a hefty three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars payout. Unluckily, he now has a
Speaker 3: serious gambling addiction. So he just shovels that three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars into the casinos coffers as fast
Speaker 3: as he can offer it up. Blackjack tables are hoovering
Speaker 3: up his cash. By October seventy nine, John Senior has
Speaker 3: now moved closer to the source. He wants to get
Speaker 3: just tap that casino. So he's tired of traveling back
Speaker 3: and forth between South Shore and in the Clovis where
Speaker 3: he's living, so he moves into a state line devad
Speaker 3: into little apartment, gets himself a cute little studio apartment
Speaker 3: number seventy six at the Aspen Grove Apartments. I looked
Speaker 3: it up, yes, and he's just now one mile north
Speaker 3: of Harvey's Casino. He can just walk down there, jog
Speaker 3: roll if he's really drunk. He gets known as a
Speaker 3: high roller. Oh yeah, being that close to the tables,
Speaker 3: it's like kind of giving I don't know, a diabetic
Speaker 3: their own pastry chef.
Speaker 1: He's just like he's got that three fifty that he's running.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not for long, sod take long, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden his retirement is gone. He starts, you know,
Speaker 3: getting mad, getting bitter. He starts getting that some of
Speaker 3: that war anger bubbling up. He vows revenge. He contacts
Speaker 3: his sons, tells him his plan. He needs their help.
Speaker 3: He's already borrowing money from one of his boys, the
Speaker 3: younger one, to pay his rent. Right so it things
Speaker 3: are bad. By the way, the sons are eighteen and
Speaker 3: nineteen years old. They borrowing to his eighteen year old son. Yeah,
Speaker 3: both of his son's loyal, dutiful. They asked us their dad,
Speaker 3: what's the new pop? And he tells the boys, I
Speaker 3: got a plan to fix my life. They're like, what
Speaker 3: is it? O're all yours? Dad boy. I'm gonna build
Speaker 3: an impossible to diffuse bomb, Like what, I'm gonna charge
Speaker 3: a casino three million dollars to diffuse it? When do
Speaker 3: we start pop? So apparently they thought he was kidding, right,
Speaker 3: but he was serious, and they eventually came around oil
Speaker 3: as they were, so they they help him. They do
Speaker 3: a break in because he doesn't have the dynamite. He
Speaker 3: needs a thousand pounds of dynamite. You can't just go
Speaker 3: down to a dynamite store and go, I'll take a
Speaker 3: half ton of dynamite, please, Bob. So they have to
Speaker 3: go and find something. He's like, oh, guys, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: need your help getting me some of them boom boom sticks.
Speaker 3: So they go to the Helm's power plant near Fresno.
Speaker 3: It's like a Shaver lake near the Wishwn Reserve for
Speaker 3: the Wishing Reservoir rather and if you know the area,
Speaker 3: it's helpful. So he's said, they go down to this
Speaker 3: power station and they break in and they steal a
Speaker 3: bunch of Hercules Unigel dynamite sticks that professional grade dynamite
Speaker 3: and uh they go back to the station. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: they were using it to basically explode rock. You know,
Speaker 3: you like miners would blow out granite. So if you're
Speaker 3: doing anything with California's mountains, you need dynamite for the granite.
Speaker 3: So the power station had it because they would, you know,
Speaker 3: for whatever reasons, need to blow out granite whatever. I'm
Speaker 3: not a power plant manager. Anyway, father's girlfriend's place in
Speaker 3: Clovis becomes where they hide the dynamite. Got a girlfriend I.
Speaker 1: Don't know show and she's in Clovis and he's up
Speaker 1: in south Lake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he was staying within Clovith and he got
Speaker 3: his other apartment in south Lake. So he goes like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take him down there. Meanwhile, he also had
Speaker 3: a walk in freezer that he'd built in her garage.
Speaker 3: So he takes the dynamite, he puts it in the
Speaker 3: in the walk in freezer because he wants to keep
Speaker 3: it cold and dry. So they have their dynamite. Now halftime,
Speaker 3: So now it's time to work on the impossible to
Speaker 3: diffuse bomb. So, working in his girlfriend's garage, he starts
Speaker 3: working on this bomb. Oh right, takes him two months
Speaker 3: to construct his very first bomb. Now we all know
Speaker 3: what happened next, and so well, the FBI they had
Speaker 3: to deal with the boom boom tour that he created.
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, as I can tell you this much
Speaker 3: as recently two thousand and nine, the FBI, they continued
Speaker 3: to have this bomb. They made a mock up of
Speaker 3: the bomb that they used later on for like FBI
Speaker 3: bomb trainings. It's presently in the laboratory division. The old
Speaker 3: Bill Jonki. He said, it's a very wonderful case. It
Speaker 3: was very unique. He was just so impressive. Yeah, looking back, Yeah,
Speaker 3: his son had Jim Burgess, the son. He has a
Speaker 3: humor about this whole time. He said, it's such a
Speaker 3: far fetch story to be able to have corolla two
Speaker 3: thousand pound bomb into the front door of a casino.
Speaker 3: It's the keystone Cops of errors. It's almost a comedy.
Speaker 2: So now it's two thousand Yeah, exactly, he didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: they just keep exactly flates it right.
Speaker 3: But we'll get back to why he's a problem for
Speaker 3: the father anyway. So how did the mastermind get caught? Well,
Speaker 3: it took the FBI wild to actually catch him because
Speaker 3: the bomb was so good. They interviewed five hundred witnesses, suspects,
Speaker 3: chase down leads, nothing, bub kiss ain't got a like
Speaker 3: nothing right, nothing to chase hotel manager, sorry, rather a
Speaker 3: motel manager. They saw the authority's plea friend from a
Speaker 3: They were like, we need help. If you guys know
Speaker 3: anything about these suspected Harvey's casino bomber. Right, So Nancy Domenico,
Speaker 3: she remembered how she'd had some difficult customers that night
Speaker 3: and they had acted weird and mean and kind of suspicious.
Speaker 3: They drove a white van, she recalled. She phoned that
Speaker 3: into the cops. She told them three men had stayed
Speaker 3: at the hotel the night before the bombing, and she'd
Speaker 3: written down their license plates because the one man was
Speaker 3: such a dick to her. So basically he'd made some
Speaker 3: sleazy come on and when she told him off, he
Speaker 3: told her where to stick it. So she wrote down
Speaker 3: his license plate. Good for her, I know, right, came
Speaker 3: back to bite him. So the cops ran the van's plates.
Speaker 3: Registration leads to him to John Junior. So the cops
Speaker 3: they show up to find this crash pad that John
Speaker 3: Junior's living in, five men sleeping on the floor, couches, beer,
Speaker 3: cat empties everywhere, big trash bag of pot in the
Speaker 3: middle of the room. The police were like, you've got
Speaker 3: to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: Wow, how are these guys single?
Speaker 3: Exactly, but they roused the five guys take it down
Speaker 3: to the station house. These five deadbeats don't know anything.
Speaker 3: John Junior, he clams up. They're like, none of these
Speaker 3: guys is a mastermind for a possible to defuse bomb plot. There, idiots.
Speaker 3: So they let him go. So John Junior goes and
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, tells his dad I got away with
Speaker 3: the pop right now. This time again, bad trouble comes
Speaker 3: around because they were a dick. So John Junior had
Speaker 3: a girlfriend. He told her all about his dad's plan
Speaker 3: to build an impossible to diffuse bomb and to make
Speaker 3: a casino pay for it, right, and then he broke
Speaker 3: up with her.
Speaker 1: Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 3: So she finds this new guy and but don't worry
Speaker 3: about her, Lisabeth. The new guy, he's a class act
Speaker 3: because after they split up this ex girlfriend, John Junior
Speaker 3: goes out on a date with new guy. They go
Speaker 3: to the Fresno drive in movie. And remember it's nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: This is like a peak date in nineteen eighty. I mean,
Speaker 3: drive in movies are the this is they're in their
Speaker 3: heyday at this point. Do you remember driving movie? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I told I remember as a kid going.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you'd see, like we drive Sacramento. If it
Speaker 3: was like a Saturday night or Friday night, we're coming home,
Speaker 3: I'd be looking for the drive in because you get
Speaker 3: to see little bits of movies. And there was one
Speaker 3: drive in theater on the way coming back into Davis.
Speaker 3: It was like a on Highway eighty. You could see
Speaker 3: they had on weekend week nights they would play porn theater,
Speaker 3: like porn movie and it was supposed to be angled
Speaker 3: or you couldn't see it from the three freeway, but
Speaker 3: you know you could for like two and a half
Speaker 3: seconds or a halfn't said one and a half second.
Speaker 3: You could see like just a giant boob thirty feet.
Speaker 3: It was insane as a kid. Yeah, they got they
Speaker 3: got real mad, and is at the end when they're
Speaker 3: trying to keep the drive ins open, they're like, what
Speaker 3: about porn guys when you show up? So they have
Speaker 3: like the late night Can you imagine sitting at a
Speaker 3: drive in theater a bunch of guys in cars grow
Speaker 3: Can you.
Speaker 2: Imagine if you live like in like visual distance and
Speaker 2: Nikki can't.
Speaker 3: They aimed at at the fields. That's why you can
Speaker 3: only really see it from the freeway.
Speaker 2: If you're in town, imagine, let me imagine there's a
Speaker 2: house there and you're trying to like entertain and have
Speaker 2: a dinner party and you have to keep the drapes
Speaker 2: closed because.
Speaker 1: Outside craziness.
Speaker 3: Yes, I totally remember that. That's my recollection of driving. Anyway,
Speaker 3: that's where they were at the Fresno drive in.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was little.
Speaker 2: I was very very little, and this is like a
Speaker 2: hazy memory because of that, and I feel like I
Speaker 2: was there and they were setting off fireworks.
Speaker 3: At the screen on fire just in Sacramento.
Speaker 2: I think this is on the Peninsula curling game or
Speaker 2: something south of Sanwanconis.
Speaker 3: I could totally see that. I mean, that's pretty much
Speaker 3: like they were just one big fire threat. So anyway,
Speaker 3: there they are at this drive in movie theater in
Speaker 3: Fresno on a date and they're listening to the radio
Speaker 3: before the movie, and all of a sudden news comes
Speaker 3: on about the Harvey's bobbing. Because everybody's talking about it's
Speaker 3: huge news, right, And they put out a quarter million
Speaker 3: dollar reward for any information leading to the arrest and
Speaker 3: conviction of the bomber in nineteen eighty that's huge money, right.
Speaker 3: So John Junior's ex girlfriend she mentions to her new man,
Speaker 3: that sounds like my Ax and his dad. They had
Speaker 3: a plan to actually do exactly that well, And this
Speaker 3: is the sheriff's report said quote. The girl looked over
Speaker 3: to her new boyfriend and said, I know who did it.
Speaker 3: I used to date the Burgess kid. His father did it.
Speaker 3: He told me about it. The dollar signs then rolled
Speaker 3: in her new boyfriend's head. Her new man had ideas
Speaker 3: mostly that two hundred and fifty thousand reward, but he
Speaker 3: didn't plan to split it, so, according to the sheriff,
Speaker 3: the next morning he called the FBI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jump for first.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he was all alone when he
Speaker 3: phoned the FBI, and move paid off well for him
Speaker 3: because he got the lion's share of the two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars reward because the FBI and the
Speaker 3: cops started surveiling John Junior with the now second piece
Speaker 3: of information. One day, eventually they get bored of like
Speaker 3: watching him and the buddies just drinking smoke pot out
Speaker 3: of a trash bag, and they show up a John
Speaker 3: Junior's house ready to arrest him. Elizabeth, you know what
Speaker 3: I always say about do not lie to the FBI.
Speaker 1: Yes, you say that.
Speaker 3: John Junior did not listen. He straight up lied right
Speaker 3: in the FBI's face, and they called him out on it, like, bro,
Speaker 3: here are the receipts where you lied here, here, and here.
Speaker 3: He's like, hmm is that true. They're like, yes, you
Speaker 3: lied about August twenty sixth and twenty seventh. You're whereabouts.
Speaker 3: He's like, hmm, you mean the day is just before
Speaker 3: the bombing. They are a okay, my man, you're coming
Speaker 3: with us. He's like, yeah, okay, I can see that.
Speaker 3: So the FBI threatened John Junior with time from behind
Speaker 3: bars for lying right on in their faces. And they
Speaker 3: tell this eldest of the Burgess boys, look, if you
Speaker 3: roll on over on your pops, maybe let him do
Speaker 3: the time instead. You do the time. He's like, because
Speaker 3: did you do the crime? He's like, that's a good point,
Speaker 3: FBI guys, I did not do the crime. So John
Speaker 3: Junior taught about his future, and then he thought about
Speaker 3: his dad's future, and he's like, I've got more of
Speaker 3: it than he does. And so he decided, what do
Speaker 3: y'all want to know? And he told him everything. So
Speaker 3: he the FBI agent starts surveiling the dad, the mastermind,
Speaker 3: John Burgess Senior. He's he's hiding out by the way
Speaker 3: at the girlfriend's place in Clovis and William Jonky, he
Speaker 3: would visit him. The FBI, the head of the investigation.
Speaker 3: He would just go up to the apartment, knock on
Speaker 3: the door and talk to him. He's like him with
Speaker 3: the FBI. I'm investigating the Harvey's Casino bombing. And he's
Speaker 3: like and he said and a quote. Sometimes he would
Speaker 3: yell at us. Other times he opened the door and
Speaker 3: he'd let us in. He gave us a tour of
Speaker 3: his place. He described how he would have done it
Speaker 3: if he had built the bomb. Ultimately, he admitted everything
Speaker 3: he did the OJ if I did it to the FBI.
Speaker 3: He didn't even publish the book. He did write a
Speaker 3: bill Joki's face. So August fifteen, Lane Dandy won the
Speaker 3: FBI the arrest John Burgess Senior, the sheriff in charge
Speaker 3: the investigation. He was certainly glad it was all over.
Speaker 3: He was convinced that the planned money exchange would have
Speaker 3: likely turned bloody and MESSI hadn't actually gone down Because
Speaker 3: his dude's name was Sheriff Maple like the tree. He
Speaker 3: speculated the John Senior planned to shoot the pilot then
Speaker 3: fly the chopper himself because he was a pilot down
Speaker 3: to Plastererville where either his girlfriend or one of his
Speaker 3: boys would be waiting at the local airport. Boom, maybe
Speaker 3: they're in a meadow, whatever, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they would have disappeared from I can see that. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know Sheriff. I think that that's a little
Speaker 3: bit with the shriff. I doubt that one. Anyway. The
Speaker 3: two delivery men who had helped him wheel in the bombs,
Speaker 3: they were not his sons. He knew his boys could
Speaker 3: not handle that task. So John Senior he chosen these
Speaker 3: two random people and he's like, this is too dangerous
Speaker 3: work for my boys, and so instaid he got these
Speaker 3: two narrative wills, Willis Bill Brown and Terry Lee Hall.
Speaker 3: They were a father in law and son in law,
Speaker 3: partners in crime. Duo, oh dear that poor woman, her
Speaker 3: father and her husband. The two men, they claimed they'd
Speaker 3: been paid either one hundred dollars or two thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: depending on who asked them to do. They ended up
Speaker 3: doing federal time in prison for that. Anyway. The funnier
Speaker 3: thing to me is Agent Junky's assessment of the bomb
Speaker 3: that John Senior built, Right, so there's supposed to be
Speaker 3: this great bomb. Bill Junkie ain't hearing it. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. The thing is the most
Speaker 3: complex bomb the FBI has ever come across up till
Speaker 3: that point. Right, the Harvey's bomb Casino had twenty seven
Speaker 3: different triggering switches, had eight independent firing mechanisms orfuses Agent Junkie.
Speaker 3: He said, anyone could have constructed the bomb excuse that's
Speaker 3: how simple it was, which was essentially true because John
Speaker 3: Senior he figured out how to build his homemade bomb
Speaker 3: from his time designing lawn sprinkler systems. Remember I said
Speaker 3: John Burgess Senior was he worked as a landscaper. Well,
Speaker 3: he based his bomb on nineteen eighties era sprinkler technology
Speaker 3: rain verdex. Yes, he had installed a ton of sprinklers
Speaker 3: and they now required circuitry to design and operate the system.
Speaker 3: So he's like, well, you know, I just replace water
Speaker 3: and electronics and boom, bomb it worked. His bomb worked.
Speaker 3: It's the hootspa of the amateur who doesn't know any
Speaker 3: better that he doesn't know what he doesn't know in
Speaker 3: the Champions of the Day yet again, anyway, October nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 3: John Senior tried, convicted, found guilty, sentenced on bombing charges extortion,
Speaker 3: sentenced to life in prison without parole. He would pass
Speaker 3: away behind bar Southern avad a correctional facility, aged seventy four.
Speaker 3: He died exactly sixteen years and one day after his
Speaker 3: failed Casino's bombing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Now his sons, though never locked up, never saw a
Speaker 3: time they got suspended sentence. Both of them both had
Speaker 3: happily or rather at least willingly cooperated against their father,
Speaker 3: like lock them up boys. So in the end, our
Speaker 3: man on the scene, agent William Johnky, head of the
Speaker 3: FBI investigation, he offered up a two word explanation for
Speaker 3: this whole crazy affair and why it's been largely forgotten.
Speaker 3: So the Harvey Casino's bombing, it was memory hold for
Speaker 3: one simple reason. Nobody died. That's a good point, right,
Speaker 3: That's yeah, there's the biggest bombing up to that time.
Speaker 3: So what's the ridiculous take away?
Speaker 2: Elizabeth dude, Jonkie man if I were like working under
Speaker 2: him and the bomb rolled in, Like from this start,
Speaker 2: I was thinking this is there's it's not really a bomb.
Speaker 2: It's Scully switches, and so John, He's like, Okay, be careful.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, never mind, the switch a look and
Speaker 2: I'd flip it and then capowie, somebody would have died.
Speaker 2: So it's a good thing I'm not an FBI agent. Also,
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit disappointed that Harvey Gross went with
Speaker 2: his first name for the casino, because how amazing would
Speaker 2: a casino be that just said gross on it?
Speaker 1: Just gross.
Speaker 3: I think it was the problem of the double like
Speaker 3: they possessed it.
Speaker 1: No possessive on it, just gross.
Speaker 3: Just gross, gross casino.
Speaker 1: When casino is just win.
Speaker 3: But don't you hear it? It's right there.
Speaker 1: I hear it. That's why it has to be.
Speaker 3: When casino it sounds like the word but it's just misspelled.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, it's like a Vegas trick. I hear when,
Speaker 3: but it's actually not that.
Speaker 1: And then I hear gross, and that's what I.
Speaker 3: See, terribles that is true. Yep, So there you go.
Speaker 2: That's my ridicuous Hey, Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: I got to do everything over there. I just told
Speaker 3: you the story.
Speaker 1: Well thank you for asking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they there you go. Uh I don't have one.
Speaker 1: Good, Yes, you don't need one.
Speaker 3: But I want to ask anyway, keep asking exactly Well,
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