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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnett.

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Speaker 3: I have a question for you, my old friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Did okay? Do you know what's ridiculous? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: I had a feeling you did.

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Speaker 2: Oh Lordie Boye, howdy dude.

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Speaker 3: You came kind of sighted.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man vodka.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: Vine ripened tomato slices, still got my ear mouth watering.

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Speaker 2: Gourmet burger juice.

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Speaker 3: This is a masha or beef bone frost. I thought

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Speaker 3: you're doing recipes gourmet burger juice. Hello, I checked out

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Speaker 3: at Gourmet burger juice.

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Speaker 1: One ounce of pickle brine.

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Speaker 3: It's more, there's more.

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Speaker 2: And then Red Robin's signature seasoning blend. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: Red roy I give you the burger teeny oh Man,

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Speaker 2: you take first, you take the vodka.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So all those things that I.

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Speaker 3: Listened to, picturing meat juice in a cold a vodka

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Speaker 3: glass like.

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Speaker 2: You're picture correctly. And then here are your garnish choice.

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Speaker 2: You can garnish it with a bacon like it's twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: You can garnish it with a brioche bun chunk just

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Speaker 2: a chunk of bread floating in a burgertiny, a crisp

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Speaker 2: pickle chip or a cherry tomato. So you rim half

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Speaker 2: a martini glass with Red Robin seasoning blend, and they

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Speaker 2: don't tell you that, like you have to put probably

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Speaker 2: like a citrus on there. And then you know they're

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Speaker 2: assuming that you know these things. In a shaker, you

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Speaker 2: lightly muddle the vine ripened tomatoes, okay, and then you

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Speaker 2: add vodka, pickle brine and burger juice and it says

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Speaker 2: or bone, broth and ice, and.

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Speaker 3: Then you're just like ringing out a burge.

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Speaker 2: And then you shake it. Well, I keep it in

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Speaker 2: my pocket. Then you shake it vigorously for ten seconds

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Speaker 2: and strain into a martini glass and garnish.

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Speaker 3: The last time someone told me to shake vigorously my

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Speaker 3: burger juice, I slapped them.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, last time someone told me that I

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Speaker 2: made five books.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, you can go to redrobin dot com and

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Speaker 2: you can enter to win a burger tiny kit. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: You can sign up for a chance to win one

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Speaker 2: of fifty specially made Burger teini kits, and that kit

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Speaker 2: includes a Red Robin branded stainless steel, cocktail shaker, and

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Speaker 2: cocktail pick Okay, then when you're like I've hit rock bottom,

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Speaker 2: a seamless red robin, just stemless Martini glass.

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Speaker 1: Make that makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Beef bone broth pickle, which I know you love bone broth.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know Martini glasses had stems, So this is

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Speaker 3: you have to have a stem Martine. You're right, yes,

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Speaker 3: with the triangle.

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Speaker 2: So what does it mean so that your hand warms it?

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Speaker 2: You have the stems, so it doesn't So why anyway?

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Speaker 2: Pickle Brian, a cocktail napkin and a twenty five dollars

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Speaker 2: red Robin gift.

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Speaker 1: Card for your trouble.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, pology.

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Speaker 2: When you enter to win, you have to also follow

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Speaker 2: them on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Oh they still are putting the word win in this somewhere.

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Speaker 2: So you follow them on Instagram. You give your first name, name,

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Speaker 2: your last name, your Instagram handle, email address, and your

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Speaker 2: mailing address. And I refuse to do that, so I

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Speaker 2: will not be winning, although maybe I am.

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Speaker 3: Winning, yeah exactly. Can you imagine you can get your

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Speaker 3: hands on that list.

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Speaker 2: The picture of the burger teeny.

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Speaker 3: Those people would buy anything.

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Speaker 2: It would never end, It would never end, and like

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Speaker 2: the Class C companies that would be harassing you when

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Speaker 2: they sell their listening.

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Speaker 3: We got a new golden crusted bacon.

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Speaker 1: The picture is like mustard colored the drink.

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Speaker 3: I'm over it. I stopped picturing it. I'm no longer

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Speaker 3: allowing any imagery to occur in my head. Every time

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Speaker 3: you say anything about the drink, I'm like, nope, Oh god,

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Speaker 3: that's like people got paid to come up with that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's getting straight up.

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Speaker 3: Predict Yeah, so how many are you getting?

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Speaker 2: How many burgertinies? Well, I already entered you because I gave.

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Speaker 1: Your Instagram handle, So just get on there and follow.

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Speaker 3: Them, and then I can win.

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Speaker 2: And then could you imagine getting that in the mail

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Speaker 2: and then your post office representatives stop respecting me, stops

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Speaker 2: delivering mail to your house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also ridiculous, Elizabeth. Yes, fathers and sons, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I guess no, they're not ridiculous. I wasn't done, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: as a fair about.

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Speaker 1: The Turgenev novel.

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Speaker 3: No, but as a son, not a father. I can

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Speaker 3: only speak to part of this relationship. But I can

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Speaker 3: say that, you know, I've known a lot of fathers

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Speaker 3: and sons and man do we sometimes have fraught relationships. Sometimes,

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Speaker 3: though fathers and sons they can get together and they

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Speaker 3: can work on their troubled relationship and via hard work, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking chop wood, carry water, they can put the

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Speaker 3: troubled pass behind them. Yeah, I know, right. I thought.

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Speaker 3: It's a touching story. Fathers and sons. I want to

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Speaker 3: tell you about today, Elizabeth. They work tirelessly, diligently together

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Speaker 3: to put their troubled past behind them, and together they

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Speaker 3: managed to make a troubled future for themselves. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: see the father and son that I'm talking about. They

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Speaker 3: constructed one thousand pound bomb and they plan to deliver

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Speaker 3: it to a casino so that way the father could

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Speaker 3: demand a king's ransom. It it will all make sense

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Speaker 3: in a second. But you know how they say the

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Speaker 3: house always wins, Well, not this time, said the father

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Speaker 3: to his son's Elizabeth. Get ready, this story is a black.

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Speaker 4: I'm so ready.

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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 3: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one ridiculous burger. Tini, you stop, Elizabeth, Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 3: I think?

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Speaker 2: Hold on a burger tini also makes it sounds like

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Speaker 2: if you used hamburger buns as.

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Speaker 1: A bikini top.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine a burger dackery a fruit look of

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Speaker 3: fruit juice and ice and blended together.

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Speaker 1: And then you put the burg in a bread bowl.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to stop right now. Okay, the year was

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. This crime took place in your peak California,

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Speaker 3: the waning days of it. But Elizabeth, just for edification,

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Speaker 3: how would you describe or define or just you know,

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Speaker 3: associate free associate on the idea of peak California.

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Speaker 2: Peak California is the embodiment of California from like say,

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Speaker 2: the mid sixties until the early eighties. And it's it's

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Speaker 2: a best version of that. It's sun dappled, it's not

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Speaker 2: as crowded. It's uh forward thinking in uh the art

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Speaker 2: and the music. And yet there's a sinister overtone to it.

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Speaker 3: So would Harold and Maud fit Well in yeah this, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know it takes place in San Francisco or the Bay.

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Speaker 2: Area Sunset magazine of the age. It is perfect iteration

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm starting to I think I feel this, But.

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Speaker 2: It's like the rolling kind of dry hills and like

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Speaker 2: I said, sundappled kid's delinquents on surfboards.

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Speaker 3: Oh I like this, like that. Okay, so this story

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Speaker 3: takes place deep in your peak, California. Nice, I'd like

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Speaker 3: to take you back to Lake Tahoe in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, right now. It's the end of summer, the

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Speaker 3: last days of August. Specifically, we are at South Lake Tahoe.

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Speaker 3: We are at a place called the Balahoe Motel. If

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Speaker 3: you were there that night, or rather the early morning

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Speaker 3: hours of August twenty sixth, nineteen eighty, you, Elizabeth Dutton,

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Speaker 3: would have spotted three men leaving their motel room. These

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Speaker 3: three men were dressed in blue coveralls. You probably wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have looked twice at them because they look like workers

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of that in South Shore. Now.

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Speaker 3: The men they open the doors of their white van,

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Speaker 3: just an industrial van. Once again, you probably not could

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Speaker 3: pay attention, but you're nosy, so you do, and they

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Speaker 3: climb in. They head off to the purple light of

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Speaker 3: just before dawn. They drive into a town called state Line, Nevada.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: The California Nevada border in the mountains is home to

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Speaker 3: a clutch of casinos. Not great casinos, but casinos. Now

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Speaker 3: there's Frank Sinatra's place, the cal Neva, right, We've talked

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Speaker 3: about that, but Frank Sinatra Junior. There's Harrah's Lake Tahoe,

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Speaker 3: which used to always be on the ads when and

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Speaker 3: the billboards when I was a boy. Oh yeah, the

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Speaker 3: Johnasquagga's Golden Nuggetqua Nugget Man. Then there's a spot that

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be talking about today, Harvey's Casino.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, that's where the.

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Speaker 3: White van pulls up. The three men they climb out

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Speaker 3: the wheel, out a box. It's about the size of

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Speaker 3: a copy machine, and you go. If you were able

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Speaker 3: to still see this, but you know you can't because

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Speaker 3: it's just these events are playing out, Elizabeth. They pushed

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Speaker 3: The men in their coveralls, they look like delivery men,

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Speaker 3: as I've told you, workers whatever. You know, their presence

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Speaker 3: once again unquestioned, even in the casino. They're at roughly

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Speaker 3: four am. In fact, the security guard working that morning,

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Speaker 3: he held open the door for them He's like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: come on in, guys. He knew that, you know, you

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Speaker 3: gotta do the casino's business. And that's when it's done,

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Speaker 3: is early in the morning, when there's no real you know,

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Speaker 3: roobs around to get in the way. So the printer

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Speaker 3: slip cover on it. This is to hide its true

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Speaker 3: purpose on the slip cover with three letters ibm oh.

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Speaker 3: New fangled technology must be something for car I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty that meant you know, I don't know, computer

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Speaker 3: counting device. It didn't mean what we think, but back

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Speaker 3: then it meant big business. Now exactly the sort of

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Speaker 3: thing that workmen would deliver to a casino at four am.

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Speaker 3: So three workmen, they're guiding their machine to a service elevator.

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Speaker 3: They take it up, the doors closed, the men hits

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Speaker 3: number two, the elevator rises, the doors slide back open,

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Speaker 3: and boom. Now on the second floor. The three men

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Speaker 3: they wheel their machine through the empty second floor of

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Speaker 3: executive office. Elizabeth, you are in Harvey's at five the morning,

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Speaker 3: basically at four thirty whatever, and so there's nobody, no

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Speaker 3: executives there, But they find an office with an open door,

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Speaker 3: and they wheel the machine inside. The mastermind of this

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Speaker 3: group of three he glues toothpicks into the doorway. Why toothpicks?

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Speaker 1: Wow, my toothpick.

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Speaker 3: This was to prevent some you know, Schlamiel walking heavy

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Speaker 3: footed into the office. Right, They didn't want anybody, So

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Speaker 3: the toothpicks he touches. Oh, even through like normal shoes

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Speaker 3: and like hard leather soles, you'd still notice the toothpicks.

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Speaker 3: I guess whatever, you know, it's his plan anyway. The

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Speaker 3: mastermind he primes his machine. He arms the eight different

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Speaker 3: triggering devices inside the machine, as I said, was a

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Speaker 3: one thousand pounds of dynamite. The bomb is now set.

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Speaker 3: The three delivery men walk out of the casino office.

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Speaker 3: They ride the elevator back down to the casino floor

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Speaker 3: and they call me walk back to their van. They

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Speaker 3: pile into the white van and disappear into the purple

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Speaker 3: of morning. A perfect crime, right, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: he has told you he left explicit instructions for the

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00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: rants of exchange. He basically said, and I quote, the

429
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 3: money is to be delivered by helicopter. The helicopter pilot

430
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: is to park at twenty three hundred hours as close

431
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,479
Speaker 3: as possible to the LTA building by the light at

432
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 3: the Lake Tahoe Airports LTA, Lake Tahoe Airport. It is

433
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: to face the east. The pilot has to be alone

434
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: and unarmed. The pilot is to get out and stand

435
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 3: by the chain link fence gate. He is to wait

436
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: for further instructions, which will be delivered by a taxi

437
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 3: that will be hired. Don't worry about the driver will

438
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: pay them anyway. They noticed that will be hired. The

439
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 3: driver will know nothing. So that's the point is like,

440
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 3: it's not one of us. So they may also be

441
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 3: delivered by a private individual or through the nearby public

442
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: phone at exactly ten minutes after midnight, So one of

443
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 3: these three things will occur. We go.

444
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: You can tell you what question one of three.

445
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 3: Exactly big on three. You may have a thing about that. Anyway,

446
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: at ten past midnight, the pilot will receive instructions about

447
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: where to do and what to do. I think they

448
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: mean where to go. So there's a typo in any way,

449
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: whatever I'm reading it as is, before the pilot enters

450
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: the helicopter, he has to take a strong flashlight and

451
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: shine it around inside of the helicopter so that it

452
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 3: will light up the entire inside. We must be able

453
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: to see it from a distance with binoculars. We want

454
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: to be able to see that everything that is inside

455
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: the helicopter so that we can be sure there is

456
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 3: no one hiding inside and there is no contraband inside. Wow,

457
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: it's like eleven year olds came up with a strong flashlight.

458
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: It's like that.

459
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Well, they want that giant flashlight that I have that's

460
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: like ten thousand lumens.

461
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing you can use to like battle the luxar.

462
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can light the whole street.

463
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: Let me see what you got, luxar. How about this? Anyway,

464
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: FBI they do it's destructive. The bureau they arrange his

465
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: hand off the Mastermind and his henchmen. They agreed to

466
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: do the exchange. They had some other warnington stipulations should

467
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: probably get into. For instance, he said, remember that even

468
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: a very small earthquake will detonate the bomb, So do

469
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 3: not try to delay to the delivery of the money.

470
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: Do not have an earthquake.

471
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: Ye, they're now using earthquakes as part of their threat.

472
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: You gotta love that. I mean, that's that's Hutspa. So

473
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: any hopes of capturing him at the exchange, he once

474
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: again he said, quote the designer of this bomb will

475
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: not participate in the exchange, so will be completely useless

476
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: to apprehend any person making the exchange because they will

477
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: not know how it works. They perform their duty for reward.

478
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: So and he had one final warning, just in case

479
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 3: you did not believe him on all the above, and

480
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: a final word of warning, do not try to be

481
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: a hero. Arlington is full of them, and they can't

482
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: even smell the flowers. Oh my god, ice right and

483
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: being like oh, like, oh, I'm a Bond villain to.

484
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: Like shine the light in the helicopter. Ps, yeah, here's

485
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: something dark.

486
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm dropping bars like Tupac I'm like, damn bar oh okay. Anyway,

487
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: the Mastermind's plan was set in motion. It seemed like

488
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: the FBI had responded, everything's going according to plant, and

489
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: as I told you, everything get ridiculous. It went sideways.

490
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: How Why well, Elizabeth, here's why. It was a family job.

491
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 3: The brilliant Mastermind had made a fatal mistake in planning

492
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: his brilliant operation. He worked with his sons. The FBI

493
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: ignored his instructions, and they'd always planned on capturing about

494
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 3: the exchange. That didn't matter because the payoff, you know,

495
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 3: as I said, it was supposed to be delivered by

496
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: Harvey Gross's personal chopper. The FBI pilot was gonna be

497
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: at the stick. Whatever the suitcase. They had the money,

498
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 3: they had real cover bills for the flash. Everything would

499
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: be good. But the FBI agents had forgotten that the

500
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: person they're dealing with was an idiot. So they landed

501
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: at the Lake Tahoe Airport. They landed as instructed, near

502
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: a telephone booth. The phone rings. That part goes off

503
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: without a hitch. Mastermind tells the chopper pilot fly to Plasterville,

504
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 3: and he's like, uh, okay, I know where that is

505
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: he'd like that in the hills to the west of Change. Yeah,

506
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: exactly down by west of Tahoe for those who don't know,

507
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: is in these nice rolling hills. So at a specific

508
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 3: compass point, the chopper is supposed to land at a

509
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: flashing red beacon. The chopper pilot did as told, flew

510
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: to Plastererville. He lined up this specific compass punk and

511
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: then he looked, but there was no beacon. Why because

512
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: the mastermind and his son had left the twelve old

513
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: battery for the beacon back in Fresno.

514
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: Stop.

515
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: But don't worry, Elizabeth. They discovered big, big square battery

516
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: with the coils on top. So they discovered their mistake

517
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 3: on the way to the ransom exchange in Placerville from Fresno.

518
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: So they were like, can you imagine the fight between

519
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: father and son the battery. You forgot the battery. So

520
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: they decided, you know, after a lot of shouting, that

521
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: they still had time to go buy a new twelve

522
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: old battery. So they you know, the Colmheads will win

523
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: the day, Elizabeth. They don't lose the sight of the

524
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: gold baby. We got three million dollars on the line, boys.

525
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: So the Colmheads were not the actual case of the day, Elizabeth,

526
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: because these guys with the father and son team, because

527
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: it's just a father and son, not both sons for

528
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: this drive. So one of his sons and the father

529
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: they went to go buy the new battery. They stopped

530
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: in Plaiserville. They thought, you know, there's got to be

531
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: an auto parts story. They find an auto part store.

532
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: There is one in Plasterville. They're stoked. They go to

533
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 3: Oh O'Reilly and they get into a loud, shouting argument

534
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: with the salesman at the autoparts store. What yes, he

535
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: keeps trying to sell them a battery for the Volvo

536
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: that they clearly drove up and parked, and they were like, no, no,

537
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: we need this other twelve old battery, and he's like,

538
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: don't you need a car battery? And they're arguing back

539
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: and forth and he keeps trying to give him the

540
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 3: battery for the Volvo. So they fought about it. They

541
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: get loud, and.

542
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: Eventually that will make you memorable.

543
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: Eventually things calm down. The father and son they actually

544
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: get to buy the battery from the salesman.

545
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: Like you can kid, You're like, no, I don't need

546
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: it for my car. But you need it for your car.

547
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: No, exactly, two memorable guys. So now they get back

548
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: to the meadow, but the FBI's chopper is coming gone,

549
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: So they missed the chopper. So Mastermind and Son miss

550
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: their payoff of three million dollars. But really what they

551
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: missed was getting busted in a meadow. That's what they missed.

552
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, the FBI, the Sheriff's department, the local im squad,

553
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: Harvey Gross, they all get together like, what do you

554
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: mean they missed the payoff? They weren't there, and you

555
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: think this is part of their plan? What's going on?

556
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: They don't know what to do. I's like, don't worry,

557
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: don't worry, let's move on to Plan B. Harvey Gross

558
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: is like, what's the Plan B? They're like, Plan B

559
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: is let's blow the bomb up ourselves. He's like, I

560
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: don't know about this plan being in my casino. Guys,

561
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? Are you going to agree

562
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: we're gonna move it? No, we can't move it.

563
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: And the harrows across the street. He's like, yeah, can

564
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: we have a word yet?

565
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: No, who' said? I heard ourselves? So okay. So the

566
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: owner of the chopper and Harvey Gross he's in a bind.

567
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: He's got the FBI guys going, we also want to

568
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: blow this up. So he's like, my my beloved money

569
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: printing machine, my casino is at risk. So his casino

570
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 3: has a bomb big enough in it to blow up

571
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: neighboring casinos, right exactly. So he's like, okay, guys, well

572
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: tell me about this. Let's blow it up plan Like,

573
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: how are you going to blow up a bomb? I

574
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: don't even understand that. They're like, okay, well, don't worry

575
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: about it. We I told you. We did the X ray.

576
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: We saw there's a box on a box. He's like, okay,

577
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: was there a Plan C? But before we get into

578
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: this box on a box, he's like, yeah, yeah, we

579
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: don't have a plant C. Is anyone working on a

580
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: plant sy? No, there is no plantcy, just Plan B

581
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: blow up the bomb. Okay. So now, Harvey, you have

582
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: to understand he's had this casino since nineteen forty four.

583
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 3: We're in nineteen eighty. This is not like a new

584
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: un out of Lark. He started this thing in the

585
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: war years, just a simple cabin and a blackjack table

586
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: and a dream and a couple of one arm bandits

587
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: slot machines.

588
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: No, not slot machines.

589
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: It's just a couple of one arm bandits. Those are

590
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: for the rubes and the board and the snowbound in

591
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: the winter centries. Yeah, exactly, No, Harvey. He builds us

592
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: up into Harvey's casino. It's one of the great gambling

593
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: houses on beautiful Lake Tahoe. I mean, yeah, he's living

594
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: the dream. The f guy's like, we want to blow

595
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: it all up, and he's like, I really have hesitations, guys,

596
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: so they're no, they promise him bomb Squad's great. These

597
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: guys bang up job. I'm sorry, they do a great job.

598
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: I'll stop saying that. Harvey's like, can we just what

599
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: is this plan? Like, what are you like? Okay, Harvey,

600
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: you ever heard of C four? And he's like, yeah,

601
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: I've heard a C four. It's a good military uses it.

602
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, we got some of that stuff too. We're

603
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: gonna put that on the bomb and it's a shape

604
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: charge and we're just gonna try to blow the fuse,

605
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: like you know, right off. The triggering mechanism is gonna

606
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: blow that right off the bomb. He's like, you're gonna

607
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: blow the bomb apart? Yeah? Yeah, that's the idea. So

608
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: at this point, it's August twenty seventh, nineteen eighty, on

609
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: the second floor of Harvey Casino. We have the bomb

610
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: with the eight triggers that are impossible to diffuse, and

611
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: the FBI is ready to go to it, right, So

612
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: they call this a render safe plan and actually have

613
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: the gall to call it that anyway. So the Mastermind,

614
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: he was in a generous mood. He wanted to give

615
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: the FBI a little more time to negotiate after he

616
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: missed his payoffs. He's like, hey, guys, is me the Mastermind?

617
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: So I missed you. I wanted to see who get

618
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: set up a little meat and greet. So he's like,

619
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: after that whole helicopter debacle, let's do a little simpler plan.

620
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: Let's just talk about how you guys can get to

621
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: me the money, you know, Let's do a do over.

622
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: You guys cool. They're like yeah, yeah, they're just at

623
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: this point they're just stalling, right. So the Mastermind he

624
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: instructed the FBI field agents and the bomb squad. Guys.

625
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: He's like, here, if you guys, you're about to have

626
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: an imminent explosion. One of the first triggers is going

627
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: to go off. So here's how to diffuse trigger one.

628
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: So he tells them that buys them some more time.

629
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: They're like, this guy's are right, it's kind of reasonable, right.

630
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: So one of the agents FI field agents they recalled

631
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: and I quote, they told us to hit switch number

632
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: five and that would give us additional time. They're like, yeah,

633
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: that guy's decent, right. There was one problem with that.

634
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: Elizabeth the agent also said, and I quote, I couldn't

635
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: find any volunteers willing to flip switch number five. Meanwhile,

636
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: the FBI guys are all busy going, I'll work on

637
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: a crowd control. They're all outside the building, right, So

638
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: Harvey's casino guests have been safely huddled into nearby White

639
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: Hole High School. So they're like, they got all the

640
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: guests from the casino in the high school. There's like

641
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty rooms in the in the casino,

642
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: so the crowd is also big because it's a Labor

643
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: Day holiday, so the employees are also there from the

644
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: evacuated hotel, so they're all gathered from about three different hotels.

645
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: They got all the local cops to bomb squad, and

646
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: then just a local you know, lookie loose, and there's

647
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: a plenty of discussion about how this is all gonna work.

648
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: If it would work, most of the folks they expect

649
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: a good show. So let's take you there now, Elizabeth.

650
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: I'd like to close your eyes.

651
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: And picture it as it's.

652
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: A surprisingly warm day in late August. Here at the

653
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: shores of South Lake Tidle. You're just over the California border,

654
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: currently in state Line, Nevada. The Mercury is hovering near

655
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: eighty degrees. You are thankful for the tiny umbrella that's

656
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: part of your hot dog stand. That's right, I said it,

657
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: your hot dog stand, Elizabeth. You are slanging Sonoran hot

658
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: dogs from a one woman hot dog push cart. Yes,

659
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: the rainbow striped umbrella serves two purposes. It makes you

660
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: easy to spot in the crowd, and it offers you

661
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: some shade. It's about three thirty in the afternoon and

662
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: it's hot as well. It doesn't matter. You've positioned your

663
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: hot dog push cart here outside the doors to Johnasquagga's nugget. Right,

664
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: you can see Harris and Harvey's casino, because that's where

665
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: most of the crowd is focused, and thus you're gonna

666
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: sell these folks. Some hot dogs. These are norm beauties.

667
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: They practically sell themselves. Soon people get a whiff of

668
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: that delicious bacon wrap dog you've got glistening on the grill,

669
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: they reach for their cash. You're doing good business. In fact,

670
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: at the moment, you've got a pair of FBI guys

671
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: somewhat stressed out and clearly preoccupied. They're waiting for the

672
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: dogs you're preparing. Well. The one scenarian hot dog, the

673
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: one FBI guy, he already has his, and he's politely

674
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: waiting for his buddy to get his. He keeps eyeing

675
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: it as they wait. They discussed the next steps in

676
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: their delicate operation. I'm just not sure about their shape

677
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: charge plan. The hot dog holding FBI guys says to

678
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: his partner, the one watching you prepare his dog. He says, oh,

679
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: extra onions please now. The hot dog holding guy, the

680
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: first one. He continues his worried train of thought. He's like,

681
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: I know the sheriff said, everything's a go. We have

682
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: local deputies clear the casinos. Yeah, I get that. And

683
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: they say they packed up all their stuff, didn't miss

684
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: a toothbrush. Great, thanks sheriff. But now with the luggage

685
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: and the evacuated guests. Are we really gonna do this? Well,

686
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: the other FBI guy says, well, a couple extra napkins.

687
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: This looks like it's gonna be greasy. He's still eyeballing

688
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: that scenarian dog. He turns the other one. He's like

689
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: the year chips. The FBI guys school confused. Oh no,

690
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he catches up. We picked up the entire

691
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: casino chip collection. It's all secured in a location. You

692
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: think the news cameras are far enough back. I don't

693
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: know about that. And then you say, and here you go,

694
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: and you hand over that beautiful sonorian hot dog. The

695
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: FBI guy, he's only paying attention to that. You look

696
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: past him though, At the news cameras pushed right up

697
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: to the police line. The crowd is large and it

698
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: surrounds the news cameras. At the edges. There are some

699
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: other people selling cold drinks, cold beer, much like you

700
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: the cops. They're busy, they don't care about any of this.

701
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: Some casino employees who have arrived to work, they're still

702
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: in uniform. They're dotting the crowd. They come over for

703
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: some hot dogs. Everybody is waiting for something to happen

704
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: or a hot dog. Now, one FBI guy, the first one,

705
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: he says, bomb squad, last report. It sounds like something

706
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: got stuck inside the box. They didn't know what it was.

707
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: Didn't sound good. First. The second FBI guy goes, well,

708
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: this should be good. He takes a bite of that

709
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: Sonarian hot dog. You watch them waiting for the reaction.

710
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: They tear into the bun, into the meat. They close

711
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: their eyes around that bite a dog and they begin

712
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: to and chew that encased meat. The flavors are rupped

713
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: in their mouth and then boom whoa. A tremendous explosion

714
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: rocks the casino. An invisible concussion wave of air pressure

715
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 3: from the blast hits the crowd tumbled from their feet,

716
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: the noise deafening the red orange flame. Crowds rise with

717
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: mad fury. Smoke chases flames. Both leave behind a five

718
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: story hole in the casino. The gaping maw in the

719
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: building stretches fifty feet wide and thirty feet deep into

720
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: the building. Of the eleven story building, every single window

721
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: in the casino was blown out. Neighboring Harris Casino most

722
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 3: of their windows are blown out. Chunks of casino explode

723
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: high into the sky, now rained down onto the crowd.

724
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 3: Flash yards rain in the light, the streets, the parking

725
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: lots dotted with debris. Luckily, no one gets injured. All

726
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: the flying debris passes without hitting a person. You wipe explosion,

727
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: tossed hair back from your face. The two FBI guys

728
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: swallow their bites of Sonoran hot dog, and you call me,

729
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: ask them how are the dogs boys? This one am

730
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: good dog, Elizabeth? Anyway, how was that?

731
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: I had no idea this ever happened up there?

732
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: Yes, right now, if we'd stable our boys from the bureau,

733
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: you would have soon heard over the radio the cause

734
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: for the explosion. It turns out there were two power

735
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: supplies for the bomb. The X rays had missed the

736
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: second power supply, so when their shape charge went off,

737
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: they just triggered the bomb. Oh, by the way, watching

738
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: all this on the news, was a deeply dejected man,

739
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: depressed that his plan had failed, his ransom payoff missed.

740
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: The mastermind was a broken man right up until he

741
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: heard that boom cracked tear the air, and then he

742
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: jumped up elated because he'd gotten his revenge. Let's take

743
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: a little break and I'll come back, and I'll tell

744
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: you why he got his revenge. What happened after this

745
00:35:46,640 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: whole casino turned by the FBI? All right, Elizabeth, we're back.

746
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: Hey, Yes, we are good ads.

747
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I all right, welcome back to Pete, California.

748
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: You ready to wipe the debris.

749
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: From your hair already? It's all I was like gritty,

750
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: But no, it's a good gritty.

751
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: Good good gritty. So the only other better gritties in Philadelphia. Now,

752
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: Harvey Gross, owner of the casino, what's he feeling right now?

753
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh, he's got his insurance company on the.

754
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: Line on speed dial. The FBI had done more damage,

755
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: both financially and personally, than even the mad bomber had intended,

756
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: because when all was said and done, the estimated damage

757
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: to the casino was eighteen million dollars. Oh that was

758
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: six times more than what the bomber was asking for. Oh,

759
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: oh God, just pay the ransom anyway. The mastermind, he'd

760
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: always meant to get paid. He never meant for the

761
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: bomb to go off. That's why he had all the

762
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 3: triggers and the timing and all the whole instructions. Yeah,

763
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: but he'd made such a real and credible machine. He'd

764
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: you know, he's like he wanted the for similitude. So

765
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: he made the bomb and it was impeccably well designed

766
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: machine and it went off beautifully. It tore apart that casino. Well,

767
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: time to meet this mastermind and his failed sons. Yeah, ready, Yes,

768
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: his name was John Burgess Senior. He was born in

769
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: Hungary in nineteen twenty two. He came of age under

770
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: Fascist occupation. Soon there after he learned what life was

771
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: like under the Soviet block so he went from Nazis

772
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: to Soviets, sah. He was part of the Hungarian resistance

773
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: to the Soviet takeover. He told his sons he'd flown

774
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: in World War Two, but then he really mastered his

775
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: skills as a pilot against the Soviet Air Force defending

776
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: his native Hungary. So this guy was a brave young man.

777
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: Gets shot down, captured in April forty eight. He's tried, convicted,

778
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: sentenced to twenty five years hard labor in a Siberian

779
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 3: work camp. He got it. Yeah, for eight and a

780
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 3: half years he was out there wielding a prisoner's hammer.

781
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: He took large rocks, he turned him into smaller rock.

782
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: No, he was originally a Nazi.

783
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: Right he flew. Yeah, he basically for the Lufwaffa. So

784
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: the Hungary was on the side of the Nazis, and

785
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: then he fought against the Soviets in a continuing occupation

786
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: and resistance, and so they were like, no, we resist.

787
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't care if the Nazis are gone. We're still fighting.

788
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was on the he was flying a

789
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: loofwafter plane. He was a Hungarian Nazi. Feels him no, no, so, yeah,

790
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: he's in his brutal, backbreaking work. He gets released by

791
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: the Soviets, sent home to Hungary. Nineteen fifty six, he's

792
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: caught again, captured by the Soviet forces because apparently he's

793
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: not good at staying free. He'd been defending his hometown.

794
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 3: So now this twice caught enemy, he's facing death on

795
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: the spot. He gets sentenced to death. Right there, You're like, oh, man,

796
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: suddenly good luck steps in. All right. So, due to

797
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: his youth and in he's you know, reinforced by his

798
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: time into Siberian work camp. John Burgess. He knew how

799
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: to speak an effortless and rather eloquent Russian apparently, so

800
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: he convinced the Soviets not to kill him. He charmed

801
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: his captors. He persuaded them, please don't kill me, right,

802
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: they stall his execution, like we'll kill you tomorrow, and

803
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: then so he manages to charm his way out of

804
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: a mass grave. That works, and then so the next

805
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: day comes. He lives through that and they're like, oh,

806
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: we'll kill you the next day. And he's like, oh, okay,

807
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: just one more day, guys, how about another sunset guy? Seriously? Right,

808
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: So he's not telling his good of a story, so

809
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: only makes it three days, right, So he makes it

810
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: three days in the Hungarian resistance strikes and they free him.

811
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: So he gets freed from Soviet captivity. Now he knows

812
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: he won't be three times lucky, so he's like, I

813
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: need to get the heck out of here. So he

814
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: starts tracking high distances and long as far as he can,

815
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: Chris crosses the continent. He works his way, disguising himself

816
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: as a Red Cross interpreter. He hides among the aid workers.

817
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: So by May fifty seven, he's made it all the

818
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: way to the US. He and his wife they arrive

819
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: in New Jersey. He's like, Oh, what's that smell. I'm

820
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: kidding New Jersey, My family's from there anyway, far enough

821
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: from communism for his liking. He's happy in New Jersey.

822
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: But he's like, you know what, I think, I want

823
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: to keep going west. West was working me. Flet's he

824
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: keep going west, keeps going west until he gets to

825
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: calif exactly how so John Burgess he finds work as

826
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: a landscaper. He worked in the steel factories, and eventually

827
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: he became a rest a tour in Fresno, California, opened

828
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: a little spot called Villa Basque. I don't know how

829
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: Hungarian opened a basque restaurant, but hey, it's Fresno in

830
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. What are you gonna do?

831
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he traversed through Basque country on his way out.

832
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: Sure he did.

833
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: Maybe he really It stuck to him, like just with

834
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: the cuisine.

835
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: Here's just a fly paper for recipes. Anyway, Burgess, he

836
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 3: and his wife, they liked the life that they found

837
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: there in the San Joaquin Valley, that beautiful valley that

838
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: runs down the center of the state Elizabeth. He and

839
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: his wife they started a family, two boys, John Junior

840
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: and James, very biblical names. They made a new home

841
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: in California. John Senior, he had left the past in

842
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: his prison time and the horrors of the war behind

843
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: his Nazi pass the whole bed. Now he's an American, right,

844
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: but those horrors were still inside him. They weren't resolved,

845
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: so they often came out angry, drunken bouts and bursts.

846
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: His wifs and sons. They feared us his violence. By

847
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, his wife had enough. She divorces him.

848
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: Right well, they remained living together, but on the same

849
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: piece of property. So now he's she's living in a

850
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: trailer on her husband's property. Two years past, she goes

851
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: through a hard two years and she eventually passes away.

852
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: John Senior goes into a rapid descent into darkness. Following

853
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: his wife's early demise. He starts twisting in him his

854
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: ideas of right and wrong, and he decides, you know,

855
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, turn my back on my business.

856
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna start traveling. He mostly travels east into

857
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: the Sierra. Those beautiful granite mountains Elizabeth do Vista's. He

858
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: ignores them because he's on his way to the South

859
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: Shore Lake Tahoe in State Line, Nevada. Hey, yep, he

860
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: wants them. Blackjack table, So he would play for hours,

861
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: apparently just chasing grief. Another tragedy of Befelm, his restaurant,

862
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: Villa Basque, burns down. I don't know if he's an

863
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 3: insurance fire, but anyway, he gets a hefty three hundred

864
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars payout. Unluckily, he now has a

865
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 3: serious gambling addiction. So he just shovels that three hundred

866
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars into the casinos coffers as fast

867
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: as he can offer it up. Blackjack tables are hoovering

868
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: up his cash. By October seventy nine, John Senior has

869
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: now moved closer to the source. He wants to get

870
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: just tap that casino. So he's tired of traveling back

871
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: and forth between South Shore and in the Clovis where

872
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 3: he's living, so he moves into a state line devad

873
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: into little apartment, gets himself a cute little studio apartment

874
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: number seventy six at the Aspen Grove Apartments. I looked

875
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: it up, yes, and he's just now one mile north

876
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: of Harvey's Casino. He can just walk down there, jog

877
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: roll if he's really drunk. He gets known as a

878
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: high roller. Oh yeah, being that close to the tables,

879
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: it's like kind of giving I don't know, a diabetic

880
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 3: their own pastry chef.

881
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: He's just like he's got that three fifty that he's running.

882
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, not for long, sod take long, and all of

883
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: a sudden his retirement is gone. He starts, you know,

884
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: getting mad, getting bitter. He starts getting that some of

885
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: that war anger bubbling up. He vows revenge. He contacts

886
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: his sons, tells him his plan. He needs their help.

887
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: He's already borrowing money from one of his boys, the

888
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: younger one, to pay his rent. Right so it things

889
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: are bad. By the way, the sons are eighteen and

890
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: nineteen years old. They borrowing to his eighteen year old son. Yeah,

891
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: both of his son's loyal, dutiful. They asked us their dad,

892
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: what's the new pop? And he tells the boys, I

893
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: got a plan to fix my life. They're like, what

894
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 3: is it? O're all yours? Dad boy. I'm gonna build

895
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: an impossible to diffuse bomb, Like what, I'm gonna charge

896
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: a casino three million dollars to diffuse it? When do

897
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: we start pop? So apparently they thought he was kidding, right,

898
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: but he was serious, and they eventually came around oil

899
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: as they were, so they they help him. They do

900
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: a break in because he doesn't have the dynamite. He

901
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: needs a thousand pounds of dynamite. You can't just go

902
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: down to a dynamite store and go, I'll take a

903
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: half ton of dynamite, please, Bob. So they have to

904
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 3: go and find something. He's like, oh, guys, I'm gonna

905
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: need your help getting me some of them boom boom sticks.

906
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: So they go to the Helm's power plant near Fresno.

907
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: It's like a Shaver lake near the Wishwn Reserve for

908
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: the Wishing Reservoir rather and if you know the area,

909
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: it's helpful. So he's said, they go down to this

910
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: power station and they break in and they steal a

911
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: bunch of Hercules Unigel dynamite sticks that professional grade dynamite

912
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: and uh they go back to the station. Yeah, because

913
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: they were using it to basically explode rock. You know,

914
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: you like miners would blow out granite. So if you're

915
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: doing anything with California's mountains, you need dynamite for the granite.

916
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: So the power station had it because they would, you know,

917
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: for whatever reasons, need to blow out granite whatever. I'm

918
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: not a power plant manager. Anyway, father's girlfriend's place in

919
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: Clovis becomes where they hide the dynamite. Got a girlfriend I.

920
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: Don't know show and she's in Clovis and he's up

921
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: in south Lake.

922
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he was staying within Clovith and he got

923
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: his other apartment in south Lake. So he goes like,

924
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take him down there. Meanwhile, he also had

925
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: a walk in freezer that he'd built in her garage.

926
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: So he takes the dynamite, he puts it in the

927
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: in the walk in freezer because he wants to keep

928
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: it cold and dry. So they have their dynamite. Now halftime,

929
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: So now it's time to work on the impossible to

930
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: diffuse bomb. So, working in his girlfriend's garage, he starts

931
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: working on this bomb. Oh right, takes him two months

932
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: to construct his very first bomb. Now we all know

933
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: what happened next, and so well, the FBI they had

934
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: to deal with the boom boom tour that he created.

935
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, as I can tell you this much

936
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: as recently two thousand and nine, the FBI, they continued

937
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: to have this bomb. They made a mock up of

938
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: the bomb that they used later on for like FBI

939
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: bomb trainings. It's presently in the laboratory division. The old

940
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: Bill Jonki. He said, it's a very wonderful case. It

941
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: was very unique. He was just so impressive. Yeah, looking back, Yeah,

942
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: his son had Jim Burgess, the son. He has a

943
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: humor about this whole time. He said, it's such a

944
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: far fetch story to be able to have corolla two

945
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: thousand pound bomb into the front door of a casino.

946
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: It's the keystone Cops of errors. It's almost a comedy.

947
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: So now it's two thousand Yeah, exactly, he didn't, you know,

948
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: they just keep exactly flates it right.

949
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: But we'll get back to why he's a problem for

950
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: the father anyway. So how did the mastermind get caught? Well,

951
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: it took the FBI wild to actually catch him because

952
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: the bomb was so good. They interviewed five hundred witnesses, suspects,

953
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: chase down leads, nothing, bub kiss ain't got a like

954
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: nothing right, nothing to chase hotel manager, sorry, rather a

955
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: motel manager. They saw the authority's plea friend from a

956
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: They were like, we need help. If you guys know

957
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: anything about these suspected Harvey's casino bomber. Right, So Nancy Domenico,

958
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: she remembered how she'd had some difficult customers that night

959
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: and they had acted weird and mean and kind of suspicious.

960
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: They drove a white van, she recalled. She phoned that

961
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: into the cops. She told them three men had stayed

962
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: at the hotel the night before the bombing, and she'd

963
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: written down their license plates because the one man was

964
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: such a dick to her. So basically he'd made some

965
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: sleazy come on and when she told him off, he

966
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: told her where to stick it. So she wrote down

967
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: his license plate. Good for her, I know, right, came

968
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: back to bite him. So the cops ran the van's plates.

969
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: Registration leads to him to John Junior. So the cops

970
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: they show up to find this crash pad that John

971
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 3: Junior's living in, five men sleeping on the floor, couches, beer,

972
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: cat empties everywhere, big trash bag of pot in the

973
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 3: middle of the room. The police were like, you've got

974
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: to be kidding me.

975
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: Wow, how are these guys single?

976
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: Exactly, but they roused the five guys take it down

977
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: to the station house. These five deadbeats don't know anything.

978
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: John Junior, he clams up. They're like, none of these

979
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: guys is a mastermind for a possible to defuse bomb plot. There, idiots.

980
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: So they let him go. So John Junior goes and

981
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, tells his dad I got away with

982
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: the pop right now. This time again, bad trouble comes

983
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: around because they were a dick. So John Junior had

984
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: a girlfriend. He told her all about his dad's plan

985
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: to build an impossible to diffuse bomb and to make

986
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: a casino pay for it, right, and then he broke

987
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: up with her.

988
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh you're kidding.

989
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: So she finds this new guy and but don't worry

990
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: about her, Lisabeth. The new guy, he's a class act

991
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: because after they split up this ex girlfriend, John Junior

992
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: goes out on a date with new guy. They go

993
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: to the Fresno drive in movie. And remember it's nineteen eighty.

994
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: This is like a peak date in nineteen eighty. I mean,

995
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: drive in movies are the this is they're in their

996
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: heyday at this point. Do you remember driving movie? Yeah?

997
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: I told I remember as a kid going.

998
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you'd see, like we drive Sacramento. If it

999
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: was like a Saturday night or Friday night, we're coming home,

1000
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: I'd be looking for the drive in because you get

1001
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 3: to see little bits of movies. And there was one

1002
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: drive in theater on the way coming back into Davis.

1003
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: It was like a on Highway eighty. You could see

1004
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 3: they had on weekend week nights they would play porn theater,

1005
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: like porn movie and it was supposed to be angled

1006
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: or you couldn't see it from the three freeway, but

1007
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: you know you could for like two and a half

1008
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: seconds or a halfn't said one and a half second.

1009
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: You could see like just a giant boob thirty feet.

1010
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: It was insane as a kid. Yeah, they got they

1011
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 3: got real mad, and is at the end when they're

1012
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: trying to keep the drive ins open, they're like, what

1013
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: about porn guys when you show up? So they have

1014
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: like the late night Can you imagine sitting at a

1015
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: drive in theater a bunch of guys in cars grow

1016
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: Can you.

1017
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: Imagine if you live like in like visual distance and

1018
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: Nikki can't.

1019
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: They aimed at at the fields. That's why you can

1020
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: only really see it from the freeway.

1021
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: If you're in town, imagine, let me imagine there's a

1022
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: house there and you're trying to like entertain and have

1023
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: a dinner party and you have to keep the drapes

1024
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: closed because.

1025
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: Outside craziness.

1026
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: Yes, I totally remember that. That's my recollection of driving. Anyway,

1027
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: that's where they were at the Fresno drive in.

1028
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: I remember when I was little.

1029
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: I was very very little, and this is like a

1030
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: hazy memory because of that, and I feel like I

1031
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: was there and they were setting off fireworks.

1032
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: At the screen on fire just in Sacramento.

1033
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: I think this is on the Peninsula curling game or

1034
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: something south of Sanwanconis.

1035
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: I could totally see that. I mean, that's pretty much

1036
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: like they were just one big fire threat. So anyway,

1037
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: there they are at this drive in movie theater in

1038
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: Fresno on a date and they're listening to the radio

1039
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: before the movie, and all of a sudden news comes

1040
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: on about the Harvey's bobbing. Because everybody's talking about it's

1041
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: huge news, right, And they put out a quarter million

1042
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: dollar reward for any information leading to the arrest and

1043
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: conviction of the bomber in nineteen eighty that's huge money, right.

1044
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: So John Junior's ex girlfriend she mentions to her new man,

1045
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: that sounds like my Ax and his dad. They had

1046
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: a plan to actually do exactly that well, And this

1047
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: is the sheriff's report said quote. The girl looked over

1048
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: to her new boyfriend and said, I know who did it.

1049
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: I used to date the Burgess kid. His father did it.

1050
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: He told me about it. The dollar signs then rolled

1051
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: in her new boyfriend's head. Her new man had ideas

1052
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: mostly that two hundred and fifty thousand reward, but he

1053
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 3: didn't plan to split it, so, according to the sheriff,

1054
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 3: the next morning he called the FBI.

1055
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, jump for first.

1056
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he was all alone when he

1057
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: phoned the FBI, and move paid off well for him

1058
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 3: because he got the lion's share of the two hundred

1059
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars reward because the FBI and the

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00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 3: cops started surveiling John Junior with the now second piece

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00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: of information. One day, eventually they get bored of like

1062
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: watching him and the buddies just drinking smoke pot out

1063
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: of a trash bag, and they show up a John

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00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: Junior's house ready to arrest him. Elizabeth, you know what

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00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: I always say about do not lie to the FBI.

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00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: Yes, you say that.

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00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: John Junior did not listen. He straight up lied right

1068
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: in the FBI's face, and they called him out on it, like, bro,

1069
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: here are the receipts where you lied here, here, and here.

1070
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: He's like, hmm is that true. They're like, yes, you

1071
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: lied about August twenty sixth and twenty seventh. You're whereabouts.

1072
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: He's like, hmm, you mean the day is just before

1073
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: the bombing. They are a okay, my man, you're coming

1074
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: with us. He's like, yeah, okay, I can see that.

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00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: So the FBI threatened John Junior with time from behind

1076
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: bars for lying right on in their faces. And they

1077
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: tell this eldest of the Burgess boys, look, if you

1078
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 3: roll on over on your pops, maybe let him do

1079
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: the time instead. You do the time. He's like, because

1080
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: did you do the crime? He's like, that's a good point,

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00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: FBI guys, I did not do the crime. So John

1082
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 3: Junior taught about his future, and then he thought about

1083
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: his dad's future, and he's like, I've got more of

1084
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: it than he does. And so he decided, what do

1085
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: y'all want to know? And he told him everything. So

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00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: he the FBI agent starts surveiling the dad, the mastermind,

1087
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: John Burgess Senior. He's he's hiding out by the way

1088
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: at the girlfriend's place in Clovis and William Jonky, he

1089
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: would visit him. The FBI, the head of the investigation.

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00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: He would just go up to the apartment, knock on

1091
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: the door and talk to him. He's like him with

1092
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: the FBI. I'm investigating the Harvey's Casino bombing. And he's

1093
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 3: like and he said and a quote. Sometimes he would

1094
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: yell at us. Other times he opened the door and

1095
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: he'd let us in. He gave us a tour of

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00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: his place. He described how he would have done it

1097
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: if he had built the bomb. Ultimately, he admitted everything

1098
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: he did the OJ if I did it to the FBI.

1099
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: He didn't even publish the book. He did write a

1100
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: bill Joki's face. So August fifteen, Lane Dandy won the

1101
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: FBI the arrest John Burgess Senior, the sheriff in charge

1102
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: the investigation. He was certainly glad it was all over.

1103
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: He was convinced that the planned money exchange would have

1104
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 3: likely turned bloody and MESSI hadn't actually gone down Because

1105
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: his dude's name was Sheriff Maple like the tree. He

1106
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 3: speculated the John Senior planned to shoot the pilot then

1107
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: fly the chopper himself because he was a pilot down

1108
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: to Plastererville where either his girlfriend or one of his

1109
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: boys would be waiting at the local airport. Boom, maybe

1110
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: they're in a meadow, whatever, and then all of a

1111
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: sudden they would have disappeared from I can see that. Now.

1112
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 3: I don't know Sheriff. I think that that's a little

1113
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: bit with the shriff. I doubt that one. Anyway. The

1114
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: two delivery men who had helped him wheel in the bombs,

1115
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: they were not his sons. He knew his boys could

1116
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: not handle that task. So John Senior he chosen these

1117
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: two random people and he's like, this is too dangerous

1118
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: work for my boys, and so instaid he got these

1119
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: two narrative wills, Willis Bill Brown and Terry Lee Hall.

1120
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: They were a father in law and son in law,

1121
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: partners in crime. Duo, oh dear that poor woman, her

1122
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: father and her husband. The two men, they claimed they'd

1123
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 3: been paid either one hundred dollars or two thousand dollars,

1124
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: depending on who asked them to do. They ended up

1125
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: doing federal time in prison for that. Anyway. The funnier

1126
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: thing to me is Agent Junky's assessment of the bomb

1127
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: that John Senior built, Right, so there's supposed to be

1128
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: this great bomb. Bill Junkie ain't hearing it. He's like, no,

1129
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. The thing is the most

1130
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: complex bomb the FBI has ever come across up till

1131
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: that point. Right, the Harvey's bomb Casino had twenty seven

1132
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 3: different triggering switches, had eight independent firing mechanisms orfuses Agent Junkie.

1133
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 3: He said, anyone could have constructed the bomb excuse that's

1134
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 3: how simple it was, which was essentially true because John

1135
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: Senior he figured out how to build his homemade bomb

1136
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: from his time designing lawn sprinkler systems. Remember I said

1137
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: John Burgess Senior was he worked as a landscaper. Well,

1138
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: he based his bomb on nineteen eighties era sprinkler technology

1139
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: rain verdex. Yes, he had installed a ton of sprinklers

1140
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: and they now required circuitry to design and operate the system.

1141
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: So he's like, well, you know, I just replace water

1142
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: and electronics and boom, bomb it worked. His bomb worked.

1143
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: It's the hootspa of the amateur who doesn't know any

1144
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: better that he doesn't know what he doesn't know in

1145
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: the Champions of the Day yet again, anyway, October nineteen eighty two,

1146
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: John Senior tried, convicted, found guilty, sentenced on bombing charges extortion,

1147
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: sentenced to life in prison without parole. He would pass

1148
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: away behind bar Southern avad a correctional facility, aged seventy four.

1149
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: He died exactly sixteen years and one day after his

1150
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: failed Casino's bombing.

1151
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

1152
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: Now his sons, though never locked up, never saw a

1153
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 3: time they got suspended sentence. Both of them both had

1154
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: happily or rather at least willingly cooperated against their father,

1155
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: like lock them up boys. So in the end, our

1156
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: man on the scene, agent William Johnky, head of the

1157
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 3: FBI investigation, he offered up a two word explanation for

1158
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: this whole crazy affair and why it's been largely forgotten.

1159
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: So the Harvey Casino's bombing, it was memory hold for

1160
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 3: one simple reason. Nobody died. That's a good point, right,

1161
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 3: That's yeah, there's the biggest bombing up to that time.

1162
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: So what's the ridiculous take away?

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00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: Elizabeth dude, Jonkie man if I were like working under

1164
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 2: him and the bomb rolled in, Like from this start,

1165
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: I was thinking this is there's it's not really a bomb.

1166
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: It's Scully switches, and so John, He's like, Okay, be careful.

1167
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: I'd be like, never mind, the switch a look and

1168
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: I'd flip it and then capowie, somebody would have died.

1169
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: So it's a good thing I'm not an FBI agent. Also,

1170
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit disappointed that Harvey Gross went with

1171
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: his first name for the casino, because how amazing would

1172
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: a casino be that just said gross on it?

1173
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: Just gross.

1174
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: I think it was the problem of the double like

1175
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: they possessed it.

1176
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: No possessive on it, just gross.

1177
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: Just gross, gross casino.

1178
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: When casino is just win.

1179
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: But don't you hear it? It's right there.

1180
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: I hear it. That's why it has to be.

1181
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: When casino it sounds like the word but it's just misspelled.

1182
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, it's like a Vegas trick. I hear when,

1183
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: but it's actually not that.

1184
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: And then I hear gross, and that's what I.

1185
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: See, terribles that is true. Yep, So there you go.

1186
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: That's my ridicuous Hey, Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1187
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: I got to do everything over there. I just told

1188
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 3: you the story.

1189
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: Well thank you for asking.

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00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they there you go. Uh I don't have one.

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00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: Good, Yes, you don't need one.

1192
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: But I want to ask anyway, keep asking exactly Well,

1193
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,640
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