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Speaker 1: You know, after she was after she's in obviously she's

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Speaker 1: You know what that looks like?

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Speaker 1: That looks like almost as if the end of the barrel,

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Speaker 1: this domestic violence piece because one of the things, you know,

433
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: we use that term domestic violence all the time. You know,

434
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: a term I like to use quite a bit is

435
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: the term menacing, and menacing is an element of domestic violence.

436
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: And whence if you've ever been menaced in your life,

437
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: and what that means is it's a threat, but it's

438
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: more than a threat. It's like, you know, people can

439
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: menace you with their eyes, with their words, but they

440
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: can also menace you with weapons that can display it

441
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: to you, that can shove it in your face and

442
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And Dave, they're locked up in

443
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: this in this car together for a protracted period of time.

444
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: It was apparently an hour. Okay, that's what we're getting

445
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: from what missed, what Chelsea Rivers is telling police about

446
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: the beating, and as they put the information together from Lauren,

447
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: the timetable from when they left the bar. I mean,

448
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: all of these things coming together an hour straight of beating.

449
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: And that's why the charges included kidnapping and not allowing

450
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: her to leave in coercion and a few other things,

451
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: because you've got her phone from her, see, he actually

452
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: was able to get control of her phone where she

453
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: was trying to call nine one one, trying to call

454
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: for help. She said that she was screaming once they

455
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: got parked, she was screaming at passing cars, hoping somebody

456
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: would hear her screaming. And it was during one of

457
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: those calls to his mother when Chelsea Rivers called his

458
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: phone that you know, I can imagine him saying, hey,

459
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: shut up, I'm talking to my mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

460
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: you know. And then and so when police arrive and

461
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: they see her, they see the foggy windows, and as

462
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: they approach, she has the ability to get away because

463
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: he's now afraid because real men showed up. Wait a minute, yeah,

464
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: because this real guy is beating up a girl and

465
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: now these cops show up immediately his demeanor has to change. Oh,

466
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: it's all her fault. She was scratching me, she was

467
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: threatening me. What did the police see inside that car

468
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: in terms of blood because they said it was a

469
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: bloody mess. Are we talking cast off because it's very tight?

470
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: No? No, no, you're you're right, it's going to be

471
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: the Yeah. And here we have an event where someone

472
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: is you know me cases we talk about on body

473
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: backs or things that happen after death. Okay, now this

474
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: is a dynamic event. This is her trying to shield herself.

475
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: And one of the things we cannot pick up on

476
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: in the imagery that we have right now. I bet

477
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: you dollars to donuts right now, if we had, if

478
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: they had, if we could go back in time and

479
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: take a look at her arms, I guarantee you, my friend,

480
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: that we would see contusions on her arms where she

481
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: was blocking or attempting to block. And of course, anytime

482
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: you block somebody like this that's in this state of mind,

483
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: that just infuriates them even more. It drives that temperature higher.

484
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: And Dave, you know, looking at Lauren, and she's a

485
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: little video thing. I mean, she ain't big as a minute.

486
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: She's diminutive. And I'm glad you brought that up about

487
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: the real men showing up here, because you know what

488
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: type of man using air quotes here, as Nancy always says,

489
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: what type of man beats down a tiny, little willowy

490
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: woman like this and can actually feel good about it.

491
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I guess at some point in time, somebody will stand

492
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: up and say, well, you don't understand still, waters run deep.

493
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: He had a lot going on. But I do know this.

494
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: I do know this. It's as a result of not

495
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: just his actions, but also the actions of that judge

496
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: up there in Nashville who allowed him out of jail,

497
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: and somebody that had created arguably one of the most

498
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: horrific scenes that you can possibly imagine as an investigator.

499
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: She allowed him to leave custody, to leave custody, he

500
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: was not They were used that bond. His mother met it.

501
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: And it's at that point in time I think I

502
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: think that Lauren's fate was sealed. Holy smokes, you know

503
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this, David. I'm thinking, you know, there

504
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: are certain times when we can't take the measure. I

505
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: think of the decisions that the judiciary makes so many times,

506
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, you want so desperately to grab somebody in

507
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: one of those black robes and drag them out to

508
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: emergency rooms, into crime scenes and to see the weeping

509
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: parents and have them visually see what's going on because

510
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: it's and look, I know, justice is blind, and you

511
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: can tell me that all day long. I've stood over

512
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: too many dead victims over the course of my career

513
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: and over the course of what I've done in the

514
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: media to simply take that and say, okay, well we'll

515
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: just move on. No, no, no, no. It's something like this

516
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: where you witness what happened and then you see the

517
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: end result. Here, I don't understand, we've got this.

518
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: How do we go from in jail, locked up in Nashville,

519
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, six months later being dead?

520
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Being dead? Yeah, And the next thing we know, you know,

521
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: they're popping up on the radar down Mississippi and what's

522
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: going on?

523
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: What's going on.

524
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: That he's now walking the streets and he's not only

525
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: had this is the thing. Not only is he walking

526
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: the streets, he's walking streets in Mississippi. He's not walk

527
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: in the streets in Nashville.

528
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: Man, Yep, you know, Joe, I'm gonna give you a

529
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: very quick thumbnail sketch of the timetable between December eleventh,

530
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: when Bryson Rivers is arrested for nearly killing Lauren Johanson

531
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: by beating her in their car in Nashville, to the

532
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: time he gets out of jail on June twenty eighth,

533
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: see when doctor Johanson was with Lauren in Nashville. They

534
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: expected the bond of two hundred and fifty one thousand

535
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: dollars to keep Bryson Rivers in jail until the case

536
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: went to court. At that point they were hoping to

537
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: get a conviction and have him sentenced for up to

538
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: life in prison for nearly killing her. But that's not

539
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: what happened. Bryson Rivers attorney was able to get a

540
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: judge to lower his bond from two hundred and fifty

541
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: one thousand to one hundred and fifty thousand. Judge Cheryl

542
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: Blackburn in Nashville lowered it. That meant his mother, Bryson

543
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 2: Rivers mother only had to come up with fifteen grand

544
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: to get him out, and she did. He was released

545
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: and there were a number of conditions that applied to

546
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: his release from jail. He didn't abide by any of them.

547
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: So Doctor Johansson, Lauren's father, wrote this on go fund

548
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: to me about when Bryson Rivers got out of jail

549
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: on the twenty eighth. He said, early Tuesday morning, Kaylin

550
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: by the way, Kaylin is Lauren's sister, and they were

551
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: living together in Mississippi, and Kylen found the front door open.

552
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: Her cats were outside in the front yard. Lauren was gone.

553
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: A security camera had been ripped off the house, and

554
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: doctor Johanson said that Lauren's life three point sixty was

555
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: cut off at four one am. So the thought is

556
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: that Bryson Rivers kidnapped Lauren that morning at four oh

557
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: one am. She was reported missing right away to the

558
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: police two separate times. Doctor Johansson said, I called and

559
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: talked to anyone and everyone who would listen and help

560
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: me find her. The next day we found her car

561
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: and Bryson ran from the car. Now let me give

562
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: you this very quickly here because second is the day

563
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: they believe Lauren was killed. It was Wednesday, July third.

564
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: Hattiesburg Police Department used on Star. They couldn't find where

565
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: Lauren was. They knew that Bryson Rivers probably had her.

566
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: They knew that his monitoring ankle Brasil wasn't working and

567
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: they couldn't find him well. On Star was able to

568
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: track Lauren Johansson's car. They located in July third at

569
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: Wolf River Cemetery. Think about that, it's in a cemetery.

570
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: Hattiesburg Police Department requests the Sheriff's Department's help in conducting

571
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: a welfare check at that location. As deputies find the

572
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: car in the cemetery, Bryson Rivers is in the car,

573
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: He gets out and Bryson Rivers runs away from the

574
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: car into the woods. When they get to the car

575
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: and doctor Johansson is with the medical examiner when they

576
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: found her body in her own car, wrapped in trash

577
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: bags and sheets. Lauren's father, doctor Lance Johansson, said this,

578
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: I knew she was dead when we got there. Her

579
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: car was in the middle of the cemetery and she

580
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: was in the back of the car wrapped up in

581
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: sheets and trash bags. She was basically beaten to death.

582
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: Her face was smashed in, her head was smashed in,

583
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: She was brutally beaten to the point she couldn't see

584
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: out of either eye when she finally died, and there

585
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: were multiple holes in her head. I helped the coroner

586
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: lift her body out of the car. It was just mutilated.

587
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: That was doctor Lance Johansson talking about his daughter Lauren

588
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: and finding her body.

589
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Dave, I'm going to give you one word here that

590
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: issued forth from doctor Johansson's lips. Mutilated. Let that sink

591
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: in just for a second. Mutilated. Now, when she was

592
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: found in her car, by the way, her body was

593
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: wrapped in sheets and plastic. She's lying there in that car,

594
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: and her daddy is the one that actually found her.

595
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: In this state, I'm you know, I think that I

596
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: could say that words fail me, but they really don't.

597
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: There's a way to describe this. I think failure. Failure

598
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: is the biggest one. But here's the thing we have

599
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: to reflect back on here because this this is all

600
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: going to play out in court relative to him. And

601
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about back to things that I've heard Nancy

602
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: Gray say over the over the years where they talk

603
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: about you can't use you can't use prior bad acts

604
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: in a case to to impugne the person. And I

605
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: really wonder how all of this is going to come

606
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: into play, because you know, it's like the old poem,

607
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, for the want of a nail, a horseshoe

608
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: was lost for the one of the horseshoe, you know,

609
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: horse was lost, so forth and so on. If it

610
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: wasn't for that one thing back in time, the fatal

611
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: event would not have occurred here. And of course Rivers

612
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: uses the same methodology with her. He beats her to death.

613
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: He actually has a pistol with him. Now this is

614
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: this is an individual who has been accused of arguably

615
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: one of the most horrific things you can be accused

616
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: of period where a weapon was previously involved handgun. Now

617
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: he's got his hands on another weapon. And not only that,

618
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: he's planned this out. He knows And I have to

619
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: back up here and say that her she was domiciled currently.

620
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, she was a college student. She's going to

621
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: University of Southern Mississippi. That's in Hattiesburg. Now that's due

622
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: north of Gulfport. So she was there with her sisters.

623
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: He was familiar with this property, familiar enough to the

624
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: point where he had disabled the security cameras. He's familiar

625
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: enough with the property to know where she slept inside

626
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: of this environment.

627
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: We know that her dad helped find her body. You

628
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: mentioned sheets back trash bags. He mentioned mutilated. What kind

629
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 2: of injuries are we talking about? Because she hadn't fully recovered.

630
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: I mentioned this before we started taping, having had a

631
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: couple of head injuries in my life. I know that

632
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: my last concussion, I didn't really feel good about driving

633
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: no for almost a year. Yeah, and she had serious

634
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: She was beaten so bad in December, Joe, that she

635
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: couldn't have been fully recovered. Now by the time this

636
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: takes place six months later.

637
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: There is no way in God's green earth that she

638
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: would have been to the point where she was able

639
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: to really handle life in the way that she would

640
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: have prior to that. And she would there still would

641
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: have been evidences there, right, she's still injured, Oh my gosh.

642
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

643
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is one of the things

644
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: that we do in forensics is that we have this

645
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of layering of injuries when and again back to

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Speaker 1: this idea of chronic abuse. You see this with children

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Speaker 1: with like chronic cases of child abuse, where you'll have

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Speaker 1: these overlapping injuries that occur over a period of time.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. If somebody gets let's see,

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Speaker 1: how can I phrase this. If somebody gets to the

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Speaker 1: point where they're going to go out of town with

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Speaker 1: you and beat you to the extent that he beat her.

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Speaker 1: This ain't his first rodeo. He's put hands on her before,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know to what degree,

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Speaker 1: and maybe some of that will come out. He's harmed

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Speaker 1: her before. I have no doubt in my mind, just

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Speaker 1: knowing what I know about cases like this.

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Speaker 2: Her dad said Stockholm syndrome. Joe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that she you know, this person that is

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Speaker 1: pretty wicked, I'd have to say. For some reason, she

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Speaker 1: feels compelled to protect him, to still stay within that circle,

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Speaker 1: within their little confined space where she's you know, he

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Speaker 1: can lrd over her at any moment time that he

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Speaker 1: wants to, and also taking that to to a more

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Speaker 1: intense level, he feels like that he can put his

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Speaker 1: hands on her to any degree that he wants to.

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Speaker 1: He had there was no shame in him leaving Nashville

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Speaker 1: to come back down south to Gulfport Hattiesburg, that area

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Speaker 1: that she that she uh, you know, that they lived

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Speaker 1: in where they both had a life. He felt no

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Speaker 1: shame in that he's going to return to it. So

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Speaker 1: he feels very comfortable, apparently in this environment doing what

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Speaker 1: he has done to this poor young lady that had

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Speaker 1: such a bright future. But Dave, I got to tell

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Speaker 1: you something here, and in this case, I I came

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Speaker 1: across something that I in all of my years in

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Speaker 1: forensics and as a medical legal death investigator, I never

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Speaker 1: encountered on street ever. And it's a statement that doctor

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Speaker 1: Johansson made. Not only did he use the word mutilated, Dave,

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Speaker 1: but he also revealed something else. He helped helped the

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Speaker 1: corner remove his precious baby's body from that car. He

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Speaker 1: helped with that. Now I go on and on about

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Speaker 1: the value of evidence, I talk about the cards principles,

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Speaker 1: I talk about all of these issues in forensics, and

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Speaker 1: just for a moment, we have to consider that, aside

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Speaker 1: from the science, that there is horror here that none

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Speaker 1: of us can appreciate. Doctor Johnson can because not only

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Speaker 1: did he bear witness to this slow motion train wreck

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Speaker 1: where he sat there helpless, probably hopeless, he was there

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Speaker 1: to view where her life terminated and how she was

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Speaker 1: treated in death. I'm Josephcott Morgan, and this is body

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Speaker 1: backs