1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glazer. Welcome in, everybody to Unbreakable, a 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of friends in this business that 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, we get friends through football, friends through fighting, 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: but also become friends to mental health. We had Terry 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: Bratshaw on a couple of weeks ago, and he's somebody 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: that really was able to open up early and show 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: me it's okay for me to talk about it. But 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: somebody else here who led the way as well, and 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: kind of I would say he was ahead of his time. 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Played for thirteen years, the NFL six time Pro bowler, 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: twenty one catches in a game. A good friend of mine, 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall, welcome him in and b marsh before we 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: were all talking about this, this is like you first 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: came out and talked about what you were going through. 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: What two thousand eleven two, that's right, Uh, two thousand eleven, 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Brouh came out and you know, told the world, you 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: know what I was going through, what I was dealing with, 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: spent three months at McClain Hospital, and it just totally 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: transformed my life and opened up the world. Tell everybody 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: what you said, you because I tell everybody I live 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: in something called the Grandmane is depression, anxiety, a d D, bipolar. 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: What did you come out and tell? Yeah? So I 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. The best way to 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: describe that is an emotional disorder. Right, Like you know 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: you cover sports, fights, the games, right, you see that emotion, 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: that raw emotion. Well, that's good for ball, but it's 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: not great for life. It's not great for business, is 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: not great for relationships. In between the lines good, in 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: between the whistles good, but you gotta have a switch. 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: I didn't have the skills and tools to be able 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: to self regulate walking to a bar, then walking too 35 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: even a meeting room coach say the wrown thing, per 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: say the wrown thing. I may just fly at the mouth, right, 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: and then now you find yourself in the bigger situation. 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: So I didn't have the skills and tools to be 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: able to self regular like ship happens me and you 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: were vote on the zoom call. Justin's on his zoom 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: call on the back and you know we're it's all valid. 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Where where we feel like, damn, this person totally disrespected us, 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: and now do we have the skills to be able 44 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: to go from a hundred back down to baseline with 45 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: your zero? I didn't have that. So I had to 46 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: take dialect behavior therapy, self assessment, mentalization therapy, calling the 47 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: behavior therapy one, the one with the great Dr Gunderson. 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: But before we even figured out what program I need 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: to put together, I had to do a clinical evalue. No, 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: first I had to I had to want to help, 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: right right right, listen, there was five years. Those first 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: five years you covered me, it was like random marshals again, 53 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: random marshal again. I didn't. I thought it was everybody 54 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: else's volt. I thought it was Josh McDaniel's fault. I 55 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: thought it was this person's fold, that person's folk. And 56 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: it wasn't until I looked at myself in the marr 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: said no, how do I contribute to This? Is when 58 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: things totally changed and I wanted to help. And then 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: that first the first thing I did was a clinic 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: cool evaluation. Right, That's where we came up with the 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: diagnosis of borderline personality disorder bp D and then also 62 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: a neurological evaluation. Sometimes people got things go on their 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: head that it's chemical or they may not even be 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: capable of changing. So I did that, and then I 65 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: spent three months man um in then out outpatient program, 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: and I did it every single day, Monday through Friday, 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: nine to five. That became my campus, you know, all 68 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: of the clinical books and patient books became my playbook. 69 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: And it was the year to lock out, so it 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: had the opportunity, uh to just take off the whole offseason. 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I moved my whole team up the trainers, chef, everybody 72 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: up there, and I just went all in. And that's 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: a whole other conversation because you know, I was making 74 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: ten million dollars at the time, all right, and it 75 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: was costing me almost fifty dollars a month to get 76 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: the help I needed, pay for the treatment, have my 77 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: my support team up there to stay on task for 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: business in the football season. And the average person can't 79 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: afford that. They can't even afford that a day off, right, 80 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: no doubt. And that's so hard, that's it's so hard 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: to to navigate. But I think you you just hit 82 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: on the head of the first thing is wanting help, 83 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: and same for me, like I'm paranoid with with my depression, anxiety, 84 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: my grade. So I always think it's somebody else or man, 85 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: somebody else says that has it out for me, or 86 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: somebody else has something against me, or the universes against me, 87 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: and it's not true. So you gotta want the help. 88 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: But again, I'm talking about it now. What I want 89 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: to do by writing my book Unbreakable is to give 90 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: mental health words. We talk about it, but not enough 91 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: people give it words. I want to give it words 92 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: that we could have these conversations. But back then there 93 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: were no words. There was no conversation. What gave you 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: the courage to be one of the first to come 95 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: out and talk about it? Because that would have been scared? Bro, 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: this is a question that people ask me, and I'm 97 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: sure to ask you all kind of getting really emotional. 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: I wish you like fucking goose bumps tears in my 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: eyes right now, man, because you know, even you say unbreakable, 100 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: you wanted to put words to it. I wanted to 101 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: put a face to it. So in two thousand and eleven, 102 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: I said it's time for us put faces on it now. Bro. 103 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: But but here's the thing that and this is why 104 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: I got goose bumps, And I'm gonna answer your question, bro. 105 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: That was one of the hardest things we probably both 106 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: did to the world, you know, standing up and saying like, 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: hey diagnosed with depression anxiety, right, PTSD, borderline personality disorder, 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. I didn't think twice about it 109 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: when I saw at McClain hospital BA I walked in 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: that first day. I was so broken, man, I didn't know. 111 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I didn't even know I was hurt, and I was 112 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: so broken. And then a month and a half and 113 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: halfway through my my world totally transformed. Everything click for 114 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: me and I went from one person to another person. 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that I was experiencing this, and right 116 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: in that moment, I wanted everybody else to experience this 117 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: because I knew, you know, under twenty million Americans give 118 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: or take a few, that there was probably like a 119 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: hundred million Americans also living with this but not getting 120 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: the help they need or couldn't even afford it. So 121 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: that's for me, it was very selfless. I said, funk, 122 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: I gotta go talk about this. I want to share 123 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: my story. Not even knowing not even thinking about the 124 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: stigma around it. Not thinking about teams may devalue me 125 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: because now I'm saying I have the minute capacity. Right, 126 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: So I'm answering your question because you probably you you're 127 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: probably not same situations like, man, this is powerful ship 128 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: and I just want to help people. He didn't think 129 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: about it the same thing for me, which to me, 130 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: when I hear people like you your stories, you know, 131 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: and there's others out there, it's like those are warriors, 132 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: those are champions, because there's a lot of people that's 133 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: that's done, that's dealt with things, but never stood up 134 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: and shared their story because they were too afraid. Right. 135 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: The reason why I love this topic right here is 136 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: because you know, it's harder to find what that is. 137 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Like you tell me, I don't know. You tell me 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: what was it for you? Like for me, I didn't 139 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: even think about. One of the things that helps me 140 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: and I write about this a lot, I talked about 141 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: a lot. One of the things that helps me through 142 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: my grade to see some blue is being of service. 143 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: So people say to me all the time, major show 144 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: brave for talking about this, and I go, now, it's 145 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: not brave, Like this is me being of service, right, 146 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: this is me given words. So I kind of got 147 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: excited also, but also for me, it was therapeutic for 148 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: me to finally come out and and explain to the 149 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: masses and but more so do my friends. Man, this 150 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: is why I act like this right And and I 151 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: wrote a line in my book. It's a hard line 152 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: to write, but I said, being friends with Jay Glazer's 153 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: heart because of what my mental health illnesses and issues. 154 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: And I don't I shouldn't say. I don't. I like, 155 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to call them illnesses. I like to 156 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: call them things we've overcome. But um, I wanted to 157 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: almost take the cap off to show my friends who 158 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: stuck by wing you all these years and seeing the 159 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: outbursts and seeing the stuff I've done at night and man, 160 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: after a night of taking too much Viking and drinking 161 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: too much to get through that fucking gray and having 162 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: all sorts of issues and fucking letting my hands loose 163 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: when I should not be doing ship like that? Um? 164 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Or why I snap on people? Or why all of 165 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: a sudden I call someone and think, man, why are 166 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: you against me? And why is this happening? Or why 167 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: is this guy falling like people do I was crazy, 168 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: and that's a badge of honor in football and fighting, 169 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: but they didn't know what kind of pain I was 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: in it. This allowed me to show them what kind 171 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: of pain I was in, almost like a thank you 172 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: for sticking by me. I'm getting choked up talking about it, 173 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: but it's almost like a thank you to you for 174 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: sticking buy me. For as difficult as this makes us, right, 175 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: it's powerful, man, because when I knew I needed help, 176 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: I was actually on the field training with money my 177 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: dear buddies, Mike Sims Walker's playing for the Jaguars, and 178 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: the whole workout we were just arguing yellow. Now, this 179 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: is a guy that was my roommate in college at 180 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: the University of Central Florida. So it's like my brother brother. Okay, 181 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: we've been through everything together. So we both make it 182 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: to the NFL, got the world at our fingertips, and 183 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: now we find ourselves in this off season session down 184 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: in Sunday, South Florida, and we're going through the freaking 185 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: ladder drills in the whole time. Bro, He's like, I 186 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: don't know who you are. I don't know who you are. 187 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: You're different, you change, you different, you change and I'm 188 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: looking at him like he crazy, Like are you talking 189 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: about And it wasn't until a couple of months later 190 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: where I finally realized that I was suffering. Didn't even 191 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: know I was suffering, that was changing even though I 192 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: was changing. So for you to say like it was, 193 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: I thank you to your friends that can buy you, 194 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: Like now I'm sitting down with those same friends of 195 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: mine that was there from day one. And I say 196 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: it all the time. I was such a terrible friend, right, 197 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know. I didn't even know how to 198 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: be a friend. You know, I didn't even know what 199 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: I was dealing with, and and and I couldn't give 200 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: you guys any advice how to help me. I wasn't 201 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: even expressing myself to you guys. That's a big thing, bro. 202 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: And I know why you're getting choked up, man, because um, 203 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: it's so relational. When you go through certain things, a 204 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: lot of times it's taking out on the people that 205 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: are the closest to you. You know, it could be white, 206 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: it could be children, it could be your best friend, 207 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: could be your mom and dad, your brothers and sisters, 208 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: and it's painful. It's like, man, I fucking love this people, 209 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: these people, it's the shame, and it gives us shame. 210 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: And that's that's where a lot of people go through, 211 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: all to the shame that we feel after it's man, 212 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: just as dark as the Grande Am I allowed to curse? Yes, 213 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: you're here talking to her no longer as you know me? 214 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: You got to you know you, you play both sides all. 215 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if this I don't know if the 216 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Unbreakable podcast is all that. I don't change. Man, you 217 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: know me, you're talking I don't curse on that red 218 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: light shot and foxing them on Sunday. I love it. No, 219 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: this is good man. I appreciate you so much man, 220 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: creating this space. You're a pioneer in this space. It's 221 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: kind of cool, Jay, Uh, seeing all the athletes, entertainers, 222 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: prominent men and women, even influencers now use their platforms 223 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: and talk about anxiety and the pressure. I guess I 224 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: got a question for you. When did you notice that change? Right? 225 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Because when you and I were talking about these things 226 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about, uh, putting words to it, be putting 227 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: faces to it. You know, it was still really taboo. 228 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: Now it seems like it's a badge of honor. Now 229 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: it's staying. It seems like it's training, you know, for 230 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: people to stand up and say, oh no, I deal 231 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: with anxiety or depressed it right, I feel really good 232 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: about doing it. When did you see that shift? I 233 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone that I had panic attacks anxiety attacks 234 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: every time I've ever been on TV, even scripted ship 235 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: like Ballers, which you know, again, for me, is kind 236 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: of weird that that would happen because I'm great in chaos, 237 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: I sucking calm al right, so I'm granted cage, I'm 238 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: grant on TV. I'm I'm fine. But man, something happened 239 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: to me in two thousand and five where it happened 240 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and it became an habitual every single time I've ever 241 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: been on TV for the first segment. It's just it's weird. 242 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: So a couple of things. One, when I described it 243 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: and told everybody what it feels like to have an 244 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: anxiety attack. I can't tell you how many people in 245 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: the TV world said, oh, my god, that's what it is. Oh, 246 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: thank you, I've had the same thing. Thank you, And 247 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: all these people like I used to think I was 248 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: having a heart attack instead of a panic attack because 249 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: we didn't know what only in two thousand five what 250 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: the fucking anxiety attack was, and we talked about it 251 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: back that So for years I just had a suffering silence. 252 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: But ever since I've talked about it publicly, and I 253 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: started doing mental health checkups on my on my Instagram, 254 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: social media now here, on this podcast, and then writing 255 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: the book and doing these interviews. There's not a week 256 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: there goes past. I'm gonna try and keep it together 257 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: here too, where somebody doesn't say thank you, you saved 258 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: my life by talking about this. And then I have 259 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: grandmothers now saying you've given me the words for the 260 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: first time in eighty years to talk about this to 261 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: my family. I didn't know what to say. So here's 262 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: the coolest one, though, the coolest one. We had a 263 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: guest on this podcast a couple of weeks ago named 264 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: Keith Madden. Keith was on the way to Hilton Head, 265 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: South Carolina, to kill himself and he took a wrong 266 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: turn and ended up at a target, and my book 267 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: was sitting right there, and he was planning doing on 268 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: the third day that he was in hilton Head, so 269 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: he picked up some supplies and and and including my 270 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: book and he read Unbreakable, and he said he read 271 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: almost all of it in dates you. By the morning 272 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: of day three, there's no longer any reason for me 273 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: to kill myself. And I packed up one home and 274 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: he has since about a bunch of books, and I've 275 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: sent a bunch of three books too, and handing them 276 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: out to people. But he's now telling his story openly. 277 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: And I got a message from him yesterday, yesterday in tears. 278 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Then a woman, a stranger walked up to and said, 279 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: excuse me you, Keith Madden said, yes, I am. She said, 280 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, thank you. You see in my life. Wow, 281 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude. So that's someone And I tell 282 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: people all the time, like, man, we gotta stick around 283 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: because you never know what lies around next Tuesday. Where 284 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: a man on next Tuesday, something great will happen for you. 285 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: And Tuesday for me was I finally got my first job. 286 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: But you never know. And if he had completed that 287 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: his his what he set out to do, that woman 288 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be alive right now. And that's why we gotta 289 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: stick around. That for me, like Mark B. Marsh, I'm 290 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: now getting these every week and that that is making 291 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: this We want to talk about even more and the world. 292 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: That's life's work, bro. And that's life's work right there. 293 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: And and the coolest thing about it is that that 294 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: just showed the power of telling your story. So you 295 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: tell your story, but you don't you don't even know 296 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: how many others you are touching. Right, So Keith, he 297 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: hears your story, reads your story whom and now he 298 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: starts to share his story. And now this this lady 299 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: is here today, and now she's going to open up 300 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: and tell her story, right, and she's going to impact 301 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: people in the same way. Right. And that's why, Bro. 302 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: In two thousand eleven, when I stood there and it 303 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: was in Dolphins camp and everyone's like, all right, what 304 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: the where is? Where's Brandon? Ben? After? You're gonna responding? 305 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: And I and I just stood up and I said, listen, 306 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: the last three months I've been at McClain Hospital, I 307 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. You know, it really 308 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: touched me. I've learned a lot, and it's actually my 309 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: life's work. I want to walk the halls of Congress. 310 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: I want to put faces to it. I want to 311 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: have these conversations at the dinner table and the schools 312 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and in in in corporate America, it's time to do 313 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: that right. And when I when I, when I, when 314 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: I walked off that podium, Jay, I had a teammate 315 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: pulled me to the side, right and you know this teammate, 316 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: very powerful person, awesome athletes pull me to the side, 317 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: whispers in my ear, Bro, I live with bipolar disorder. 318 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for telling your story. Jay. I thought it 319 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: was cool, but I was also piste off and said, 320 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: because here I am standing in front of the whole world, 321 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: but they live stream this, like I never had a 322 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: live stream press conference practice. It was on all NFL network, 323 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: it was on ESPN, it was everywhere. And so I 324 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: just told the world, definitely the sports world, what I 325 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: was dealing with and what I want to do moving forward. 326 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: And I was bold. I was strong. That's why I'm 327 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: saying courage. That's why when I got goose, folks, when 328 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: you talked about it earlier, as far as like what 329 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: made you, you know, stand up and tell your stories? Like, Bro, 330 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what I'm saying. They got 331 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: something in our DNA right, because it's it's scary. And 332 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: I understand why it's scary because of the stigma around 333 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: it and how people perceive or how people treat you after. 334 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: But so boom, I'm talking to him. I'm like, I 335 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: just told the world this and no one was around us, 336 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: and he had to whisper in my ear because he 337 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure he protected that and nobody heard it. 338 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is why we need to 339 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: continue to tell stories, and this is why you know, 340 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: it's important for us to do this because people are 341 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: scared to open up. But I get it. Yeah, and 342 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: we're in the majority, and our job is to show 343 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: people that we're in the majority. I think people, especially nowadays, 344 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: were how much social media funs with everybody and what 345 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: COVID did to everybody having a social isolated I think 346 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: we're in the majority of those who were going through 347 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: if not depression, anxiety or oath or something. It's just 348 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: it's different. Our brains are different nowadays. How much we're 349 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: sitting there and looking down on our phones and it's 350 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: just taking up our brain waves. Our brands are working differently, 351 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: and we're comparing ourselves to everybody else is filtered fraction 352 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: of a second of their Facebook post or Instagram post, 353 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: and it's fucking not real. It's too much, too much 354 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: stress and pressure. I want to ask you this because 355 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: I just gave you my moment for me this week 356 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: that was like wow, and you you can't get gaming 357 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: one also right here, but give me like one of 358 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: the coolest moments that happened for you since you've come out, 359 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: because here's the thing to look at by want people 360 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: here to understand this. Also, Brand and I've been friends 361 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: for a long time. We sat there on the rams 362 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: field this year in training camp. We didn't talk football, 363 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: that is all we talked about, and we were so 364 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: excited to talk about this and share with each other. 365 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: And I think that when people open up now about this, 366 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: it makes their relationships so much stronger. Right, It makes 367 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: our bonds, It makes our conversation and so much deeper 368 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: and in a relationship just so much stronger. You know why. 369 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: The reason why is because when you sit there with depression, 370 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: or you sit there in anxiety, by polar disorder, substance abuse, 371 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: all of that stuff, you almost feel like it's just you. 372 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: And then what happens when you lean in and you say, yo, 373 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm actually depressed or I'm dealing with this or I'm 374 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: learning about this. You know what they say, me too, 375 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: me too, right, like that whole like that me too 376 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: is so powerful. But it's it's for so many other 377 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: communities and in our community. That's why I gave those numbers. 378 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: Three million Americans and for everyone it touches five to six. 379 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: If you do the math, that's almost a hundred million 380 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: Americans living with something. So it's powerful, bron So you know, yeah, 381 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: I know where you were going. Yeah, give me a 382 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: story that for you, that something somebody said to you. 383 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: You're like, holy shit, I just wow. I can't believe 384 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: I changed someone's life like this. Right, So we launch 385 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: a nonprofit and uh, we launched a nonprofit. Uh that 386 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: year two thousand and eleven. So we start doing some 387 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: work project three, project through seventy five, but we morphed 388 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: into the House of badly More for profit UM create 389 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: our own revenue to get back to the community in 390 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: a different way. We can talk about that another time, 391 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: but um, so we launched a nonprofit and our work 392 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: is is really built around prevention and intervene in early right. 393 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: And so we go around teaching signs and symptoms. Two 394 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: thousand and five, Like you said, we didn't know what 395 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: a panic attack, was right. A lot of times it 396 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: presents itself as a heart attack, so people think they're dying. 397 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: So boom, what what is that? Okay, let's identify and 398 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: then once we identify, what do we do, right, how 399 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: do we help someone through a panic attack. So our 400 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: nonprofit goes around teaching this globally. Okay, all of this stuff. 401 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: So we go out to Seattle and we're sitting down 402 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: with the school district out there and you know, we 403 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: go through this training with just administration, teachers, support staff, 404 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: all of that, and some parents, and we talked about, 405 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, suicide, like if you if you, if you 406 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: know that a kid is suicidal, you know, here's the 407 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: steps that you need to take after. Right, But it 408 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: first starts with this asking somebody, are you suicidal? Are 409 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: you contemplating suicide? We're we're scared this use that word. 410 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: So anyways, our our team, you know, teachers implement our program. 411 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Everybody goes off to their worlds. Teacher goes in class. 412 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: At the end of his class, he just asked his kids, 413 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: he's anyone suicidal, please talk to me. Everybody leaves. One 414 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: kid stays back, right, kids says yes, I'm actually suicidal. 415 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: And then so here's here's part of the program, and 416 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: you learned. Okay, now with the dude, now you're in it, 417 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: what do I do now? And and and the teacher 418 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: asked he did what he's supposed to do, said, well, 419 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: how are you going to do it? How do you 420 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: plan on doing it? The kid opens up his book 421 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: bag and it's a book baked field to fill with pills. 422 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: So then sits down with the kids, calls and the 423 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: support and the help. This kid is still here to 424 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: this day. So that's one of those power right. And 425 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: then there's so many others man, where like you. It's 426 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: anywhere I go, everywhere I travel, you know, people are 427 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: talking about two things down mental health and my podcast 428 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: that is it, and they're literally breaking down the tears. 429 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: I remember being in Vegas at a big fight and 430 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: the family from Chicago walks up to my wife and 431 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: now and it's like two in the morning. We had 432 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: some drinks and we're like, who the hell is this 433 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: walking up to us. It's kind of awkward, like tearing up, 434 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: and it's this family, probably white family, probably like fifty 435 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: years old, fifty five years of age. They're like, you 436 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: saved my daughter's life, and it's like and I'm like, 437 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: oh my, you know so thankful and all that. It's like, no, no, 438 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: you need to understand that you you saved my daughter's life. 439 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: She went on YouTube and Google border around personality just 440 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: sort of she was suicidal, She's about to take her life. 441 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: She saw your message and she's still here to this day. 442 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: So there's a thousand of those right until to your point. 443 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: And it's so powerful. Man. It's every week. Man, it's 444 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: just great, and it's just you know, it's amazing that 445 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: the thing that we feared the most and that hurt 446 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: us the most, it is now giving us the most joy. 447 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: The last line of my book was for years, I 448 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: felt like I was cursed with depression anxiety. Now, for 449 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: the first time ever, I feel like God blessed me 450 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: with depression anxiety because like that book, like you just said, 451 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: you tell your story, but we're putting things in the 452 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: world that's gonna forever be and it's always gonna touch someone. 453 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: So this podcast video, the audio of the book, you 454 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: put it out there and you never know because people 455 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: out there searching this stuff. And then it's people that 456 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: you never look at. I shake their hands and it's 457 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: blessing them. So I feel that too. It's definitely a 458 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: blessing man. And we're still probably ten years away from 459 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: where the league actually asked me recently because I want 460 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: to talk to the Seahawks and Vikings both about mental health. 461 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: In the preseason, I did also the whole USFL for 462 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: the league itself, right, but the lead office said to me, hey, 463 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: where else can we help? And I said, you probably 464 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: still ten years away. You know, you've gotta make this 465 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: just like you know, mental health like physical health, where 466 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: you have so many trainers for the physical health, you're 467 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: gonna need the same amount of therapist there for the 468 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: mental health and make it more proactive than reactive. And 469 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: you probably still ten years away because people talking about 470 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: this now, like I can't tell you how many people 471 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: say they'll they'll talk to me about what I have, 472 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: and then finally months later ago okay, me too, like 473 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: you said, right, but they're not saying it right there. 474 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: They're saying it all these months later. They're finally having 475 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: the cart. So I think we're probably five ten years 476 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: away from being normalized the same way. And I look 477 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: at therapists like coaches, right, I don't look at it. 478 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: I try and take away that stigma. So then I 479 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: gotta they need to be trained up. Yes, they do. 480 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: They need to be trained up. And we also need 481 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: to realize, hey, if you're gonna work out like, you 482 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: don't only catch passes when you have drops, right, You 483 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: don't only work on speed training when you think you're 484 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: slowing down. You do it all the time. We need 485 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: to start doing the mental part of that same proactive approach. 486 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: J I had the opportunity to um and I say 487 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: this humbly, but I had an opportunity, you know, the 488 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: first player to speak to present to the owners at 489 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: the owners meeting, Right, So I did that? Remember that? Yeah? Yeah? 490 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: And so when I stepped in, I said, you know, look, 491 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: I'm doing some cool things on the field, but I 492 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: want my legacy to be that we change the way 493 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: we approach mental health as a league. Two things need 494 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: to happen. Here are the two things. Number one should 495 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: be mandated that every club has a mental health practitioner 496 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: on staff. Okay, that wasn't That wasn't the case back 497 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: then two thousand and fift two, sixteen. Okay, we end 498 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: up getting that done, meaning the league as a whole. 499 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: The second thing, J is to what you said. I 500 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: looked at them, and I said, I envisioned a day. 501 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Envision the world where you walk into the into the 502 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: weight room and I have my strength and conditioning coach 503 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 1: right here, and then right next to his office is 504 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: the sports psychologists, mental practitioner, the team whatever right there. 505 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: Because now it's on the same level. If you walk 506 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: into most organizations, what you're find is the strength and 507 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: conditioning The training room in the weight room is right 508 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: outside the locker room on the first floor. Then if 509 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: you go up to the second or third floor, next 510 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: to the janitor's off Yeah, next to like you know 511 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: what I mean, the marketing department that has four or 512 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: five cubicles, but people don't go that way. That's where 513 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna find the mental health practitioner. No, you need 514 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: to have it on equal plane field and then needs 515 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: to be right there. So when I walk in, you 516 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm if I'm working on my mind 517 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: my brain, uh, if I'm working on my body, it's 518 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: all the same, right. So to your point, that's what 519 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: we need to do. What I used to do when 520 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: I was playing for the Chicago Bears and then the Jets. 521 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: You know that. So Chicago. I went from Denver Broncos 522 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins for two and then to the 523 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears for three, and then the Jets and the 524 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: Giants for another three and then I had a cup 525 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: of tea somewhere else and that was it. But those 526 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: six years or six years bro, where Chicago Bears, you 527 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: know where I did uh my one on ones with 528 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: Gail or our team doctor, and the every two so 529 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: everybody else, I said, I'm not going up there. I'm 530 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: doing it right here because they needed to see this. Yeah. 531 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't care what I'm going through, but they need 532 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: to see that it's okay to do this. But if 533 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: they don't see me doing this, then they're not gonna 534 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: think it's okay. When I played for the Jets, I 535 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: would do it every single week in the cafeteria. So 536 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: now everybody from players to marketing team, to janitors, to 537 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: support staff to grounds crew, they would see me talking 538 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: to you Dr Sweets. Right, it's the same, bro, beautiful. 539 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I love that, man. I love you know. Trum McVan 540 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: and I were talking about it, he goes, man, how 541 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: many things? How many? How many of my players you're 542 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: in contest, said no, no, no, no, that's not the 543 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: question you need to ask yourself. Let's be marshmall. You 544 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: just said, how many of your scouts, your secretaries, people 545 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: who work in your lunch room, your groundskeepers. It's everybody 546 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: that's you. If you're gonna be a team, it's gonna 547 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: be it's gonna be everybody here. And it's so much 548 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: more than just that locker room. And then also, let's 549 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: say beautiful that another thirty seconds, bro. Also, it's it's 550 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: being proactive to not everyone has to have a diagnosis 551 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: for their life to be living hell. You don't have 552 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: to have anxiety depression or have borderline personality dislready bipolar 553 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: disorder for your life to be a living hell. You 554 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: don't have to. So these things that we were talking about, 555 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: all of these skills and tools that we picked up 556 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: through therapy is also important for the at home dad, 557 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: the at home mom, the weekend warrior, for the entrepreneur, 558 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: for the doctor to nurse, the clinician. Life can be hard, 559 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: so you need to be proactive when it comes to 560 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: training your mind and developing your brain. Okay, eight, So 561 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: if we keep saying that life and sport is eight 562 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: percent mental, then why are we spending so much more 563 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: time and more resources on the physical change it invest 564 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: in tis like you're saying, too, it's got to be 565 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: proactive because it's so reactive nowadays. Normally a mental health 566 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: professionals getting somebody after the sky has already falling, and 567 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: that's too late, right, So exactly to your point, get 568 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: out ahead of it and not just when you have 569 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: the gray of anxiety depression. Were all they're going through 570 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: something meditation, yoga, work. But I want to shift gears 571 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: down because youve got something exciting that you've launched, your 572 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: House of Athletes. Plus Phillison, tell me all about it. Yeah, 573 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: so you talked about my nonprofit project three seventy five, 574 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, Jay, you know, I think I 575 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: would like to consider myself a winner, and I want 576 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: to I want to win big. I never won a 577 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but I feel like my super Bowls want 578 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: to come in the mental health space. I want to 579 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: help bridge the gap in the mental health community. So 580 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: what I say all that to say, I was so 581 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: tired of going out there and only raising a couple 582 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: of dollars, putting the year's worth in this event and 583 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: only bringing in you know, a hundred two hundred dollars. Now, 584 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: that is big for a lot of people, but for me, 585 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: when I look at the impact that our platforms can 586 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: have and the amount of resources needed for other people, 587 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand was just not enough for me. So 588 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: I shipped gears to a for profit House of Athlete. 589 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: And what House of Athlete is It's basically Project through 590 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: seventy five because when I was on the campus of 591 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: mcclainen Hospital, I truly believe I had the reaction I 592 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: had in my life was totally transformed because I leaned 593 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: it to everything. It's not just therapy, talk therapy and 594 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: the group therapy. It's also how are you moving if 595 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: you're training? It's also you know, are you meditating? It's 596 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: also are you recovering? So are you getting you know, five, six, seven, 597 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: eight or nine hours of sleep? What is it? My 598 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: nine body spirit? It's all of it, man. So I 599 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: took my thirteen years experience of having like the best 600 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: coaches and best gurus around me and put into House 601 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: of Athlete, which started as a breaking mortar facility for 602 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: like unbreakable where we have you know, the who's who 603 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: in there. But we have pro athletes, youth athletes, we 604 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: have everyone there. But now, how do we scale what 605 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: we're doing at Unbreakable? How do we scale what we're 606 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: doing that house of athletes? So I took all of 607 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: that work that you and not have been doing, and 608 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about now shows up a 609 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: little bit differently for me because it's two different brands. 610 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: But I put it into this app. So like on Wednesdays, 611 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: as an athlete in the off season, typically it's a 612 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: recovery day for us to train Monday, Tuesday, then Wednesday 613 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: we recover, were jump in the pool, Thursday, Friday, were 614 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: training and we get some cool stuff on the weekends, right, 615 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: So on this app on Wednesdays, we have our mental practitioners. 616 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: You can't even train and our facilities or even our app, 617 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: you can't even train on the app or in our facility. 618 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: We have mental practitioners, we have meditations, we have brute 619 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: therapy going on, right because if it's that important, So 620 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 1: we totally feel like we're disrupting how we're approaching this 621 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: whole boutique fitness world. And it's really to get more 622 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: people to adopt the things that were we're providing from 623 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: a mental health standpoint. So if athletes are the healthiest 624 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: people on the planet, my goal is to get more 625 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: people to adopt their lifestyle. What does that mean? Tom 626 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: Brady's forty five and look how he's He's been doing divorce, 627 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: He's going through all this stuff, so many things that 628 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: we don't even know about, and he's still able to 629 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: perform at a high level. You got Serena Williams, She's performed, 630 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: she was performing at a high level. You know, you've 631 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: got the Lebron James. Do we think that they don't 632 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: deal with the things that we all deal with? Two? 633 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: So how are they able to perform at a high level? 634 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: Is because of the routine around them. How they're taking 635 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: care of their mind, how they're taking care of the 636 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: body and their spirit. So that's what this is. This man, 637 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: It's like, here's what the athletes are doing, and here 638 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: it is for you. I just want people to get results. 639 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: So how do we got do we do we sign 640 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: up at the app store? Did you go to the the 641 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: app store House of Athletes plus? You gotta spell out 642 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: plus p l U S. So how House of Athletes 643 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: plus in the app store, so then take me through 644 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: the look. It gives your workout, but also it helps 645 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: you like on thost recovery days, it helps you with 646 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: that recovery for the body, of recovery for the mind. 647 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: So it's simple, it gives it seems like it gives 648 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: you a blueprint. Right, it's that's what it is. It's 649 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: simple for me. It's there's a lot of things out 650 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of trends and a lot of fans, 651 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the Tom Brady's of the world, 652 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson's of the world, Uh, the Lebron James 653 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: of the word. I'm looking at what are they doing 654 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: to perform at a high level? That's what we all want. 655 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: So just taking how athletes approach all of that stuff, 656 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: how you recover, how you train, how you sleep, and 657 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: putting into one space, right, this is what athletes are doing. 658 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of training, a lot of fans 659 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: out there. So that's what the app is. It's it's 660 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of health. There's a lot of things that 661 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: we could be doing from from prescription drugs to drugs 662 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: to um you know, different forms of medicine. Like just 663 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: there's so many hospitals out there. But what about the fundamentals? 664 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: What about just understanding that if you're dehydrated, that performance 665 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: decreases and it can mess mess you up mentally. Your 666 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: brain literally just detached from your skull when you're dehydrated. 667 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: So there's a lot optimizing people. Yeah, this is optimistic, 668 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: because that's the thing. There's difference between training and training 669 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: for optimization, for optimization, but it's simple stuff like hydrate. 670 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: A lot of people are walking walking around fatigue and 671 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: the mental fog because they're dehydrated, but they're not. We're 672 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: not having that conversation. What about what about what about 673 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: all these people that saying, oh team, no sleep and 674 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: it's grind season, they're only getting three four hours. That's 675 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: where your body is recovering and do what it needs 676 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: to do to prepare yourself for the next day. Just fundamentals. 677 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: That's what the athletes do, is just leaning to the fundamentals. 678 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: And who better learn from them? Guy like you who's 679 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: been through it many ways. I love it, man, I 680 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: love what you're doing. I love you Before I let 681 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: you go and ask all my guest this, give me 682 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: your own breakable moment, give me the moment that, man, 683 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: you went through the deepest, darkest can It could have 684 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: broke broken you, but it didn't, and you came through 685 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: the other side of that time a much stronger as 686 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: a result. M man, there's so many. The first one 687 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: was in college and I grew up as a superstar 688 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: right like on this pedestal. And then there was three 689 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: years where I didn't think I was gonna make it 690 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: to the NFL and hit my my, you know, my goals, 691 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: And I never forget laying in the tub in the 692 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: ice path day before the game, body just feeling like crap, 693 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: mind feeling like crap, and I was just crying, crying 694 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: my eyes out. Anyways, I end up doing is jumping 695 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: out of that tub, going to the tattoo parlor and 696 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: getting two stars on my side. Once that's born, once 697 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: says died. And that was my way of like coming 698 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: out of that moment where it's like I may be 699 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: in some ship right now and that's where I want 700 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: to be, but I knew I was born and staring. 701 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm a diet star. So before every play, every moment 702 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: on the field, you see me tapping my sides and 703 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: then doing this, and that was me going back to 704 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: that moment, like, don't forget who you are and why 705 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: you're here. There was another moment in two thousand eleven 706 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: before I went to McClean hospital, when when my buddy 707 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: right where Mike sims Walker and I were fighting on 708 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: the field and he basically, I don't know who you are. 709 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: I know who you are, right, And so in that 710 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: moment of going to McClean hospital, I was there for 711 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: three months, man, I was sitting there with people who 712 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: had blood seeping through their arms because they were self harming. 713 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: There was a young lady named Sasha we called Sasha Bear. 714 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: She was fifteen years old. She was in a three 715 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: East program. She completed suicide. Like I was in some 716 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: real stuff. Man. I was on campus where people was 717 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: literally walking around talking to themselves and you say hello, 718 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: they won't even respond back. You weren't even They're dealing 719 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: with psychosis and so many different things. And that moment 720 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: like I could have my life could have went totally left, 721 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: or could have totally totally right. And then the last 722 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: moment is right now like I'm and probably one of 723 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: the toughest moments I could ever be in, right, maybe 724 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: even tougher than where I was right building this company 725 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: Entrepreneurship eighty nine and employees. Uh, you know, I invested 726 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: all the money building apps and building this stuff. Bro 727 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: When I tell you I'm dealing with some stuff, I'm 728 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: dealing with some stuff. But now I have the resources 729 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: and skills to be able to cope with the apps 730 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: and flows of it. So it's tough. I cried two 731 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: nights ago. I cried two nights ago because I found 732 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: that there's someone that in my circle from a team standpoint, 733 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: I gotta let go, and it's breaking my heart and 734 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: I gotta let this person go because there's so many 735 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: other implications to that and so like I've probably cried 736 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: over the last three years, probably six times built in 737 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: this company. Bro Um, I can't give it all to 738 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: you because because I'm saving it for my book. I 739 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: got it, but you just gotta trust me. You gotta 740 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: trust me. And so like now I'm able to deal 741 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: with it and still perform at a high level because 742 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm taking care of myself. You know, Listen, I started 743 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: Unbreakable and then I started a nonprofit called m VP 744 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: Emerging Vesting Players the same year. And having to startups 745 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: seven years ago and being the boss. Man, it sucks. 746 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: It's lonely, and I'm not used to being hated and 747 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: people hate the boss a lot of times. And I 748 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: wasn't able to handle that. I was not able to 749 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: deal with that mental health. I couldn't be the common 750 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 1: enemy with my mental health issues. And now it's still 751 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: a big struggle for me. So I understand what you're 752 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: going through. Man. You just gotta appreciate what you've done, okay, 753 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: and appreciate the toil of the client. Don't worry about, man, 754 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: where you're gonna end up. Just say, man, I'm proud 755 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: of myself what I'm doing today. Dude. I love you, man, 756 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining me. Man, this is great. Always 757 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: love to see it. And by the way, for people 758 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: don't know, Brandon play wide receiver, but he's not. He's 759 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: a defensive van who somehow got got slided over at receiver. 760 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't know who funk that one up, man, But 761 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: you're not a receiver. I mean ask you this question, 762 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: who wins in the octagon right now? Me or you? Oh? Me, 763 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: absolutely a million percent? Because you know what, once I 764 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: start kicking those fucking legs out of yours, you give 765 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: be like, oh no, no no, no no, what, I just sign 766 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: up for this ship. I sign up for this, you 767 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: know hey now, and the other part two is you 768 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: app you're more athletic than me, you're stronger than me, 769 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: you're bigger than me. But then I will just keep 770 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: coming and coming and coming and coming and take all 771 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: you got you go. I just sign up for this ship. 772 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: I signed up for this motherfucker to go down. I 773 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: didn't like that, man, No, so you and you know what. 774 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: Here's the thing too, I tell my guys to I 775 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: always tell people I don't give a funk if I 776 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: win or lose. I just want to do to cross 777 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: me to go. That's fucking sucked. That was the worst 778 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: thing going against So if I take the ego out 779 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: of it, the one of the loss, right, I just 780 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: want you to have the worst afternoon you've ever had. 781 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: That's all I care about. That's powerful. That's a lot 782 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: to that. A lot of athletes can take from that. 783 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: But that's a whole another pod. That's a whole other podcast. 784 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: We'll do it, we'll do separately bad when you have 785 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: me on yours, I'll talk about that. Let's do it, 786 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: all right, The marsh I love you, dude. I appreciate 787 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: you so much. Love man folks again. I want you 788 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: to all go and download House of Athletes plus, spell 789 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: out the plus when you go to the app store, 790 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: and uh, if you haven't already bought Unbreakable How I 791 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: turned my depression anxiety into motivation and you can't too. 792 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: It is on sell right now. And I appreciate being 793 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: March and everybody else walk on this walk together.