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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You From how Supports

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and listeners, we have a hilarious interview

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Speaker 1: for you today because we're talking to some improvisers slash

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Speaker 1: comedians slash podcast host Aaron Gibson and Brian Soffi. So,

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Speaker 1: Brian and Aaron both come from that great improvisation background.

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Speaker 1: They are comedy veterans who moved to Current TV, which kristin,

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Speaker 1: that's where you first saw Aaron, right, Yeah, So Aaron

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Speaker 1: Gibson hosted a segment on the Current TV show Infomania

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Speaker 1: called Modern Lady, and I saw it before Stuff Mom

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Speaker 1: Never Told You really got started, and she was doing

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Speaker 1: exactly the kind of stuff, only a lot funnier that

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Speaker 1: we do now on the podcast, taking these closer examinations

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Speaker 1: of how media represent and sell to women. And at

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Speaker 1: the time, she was, like you said, working with Brian Safie,

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Speaker 1: who was another host on Infomania, who did a segment

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Speaker 1: called That's Gay, and they took those a lot of

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Speaker 1: what they were doing in those two segments talking about

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Speaker 1: women and l g B t Q representation and now

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Speaker 1: transitioned it into this hilarious podcast Throwing Shade, and you

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Speaker 1: can also hear a lot of their UCB improv background

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Speaker 1: coming through on the podcast as well, because they just

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Speaker 1: have that quick, improvisational and comedic rapport. Yeah. I loved

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Speaker 1: hearing them talk about using their comedy, not only their

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Speaker 1: comedic background, but their comedy skills to talk about more

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Speaker 1: serious issues out there in the news. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: serious issues, caarly, we should probably give listeners a rundown

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Speaker 1: of how Throwing Shade works so that they'll understand why

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Speaker 1: we ask Brian and Aaron at one point in our

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Speaker 1: interview how they pick out their shoes. Yeah, we we

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Speaker 1: don't mean their footwear, although I am curious. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: wish we had asked them about their footwear now. So

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Speaker 1: each week on Throwing Shade, they talk about two issues,

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Speaker 1: which say shortened two shoes because that just makes things

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Speaker 1: more fun. And Aaron picks a shoe focused on women,

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Speaker 1: Brian picks a shoe focused on lgbt Q stuff, and

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Speaker 1: they talk about it and they throw lots of shade

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Speaker 1: sometimes and they improvise and they make hilarious jokes and

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic and really fun to hear similar kinds of

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Speaker 1: things that we talk about on the podcast, but presented

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Speaker 1: in uh, shall we say a body or kind of way? Well, Kristen,

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Speaker 1: now that we've teased everyone with body conversation and body tease,

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Speaker 1: and oh well, let's just let the interview roll. Yeah, well, uh,

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Speaker 1: Brian and Aaron. For listeners who haven't heard throwing shade,

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Speaker 1: how would you two describe it? A descent into madness

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Speaker 1: but seeing in on math? Yeah, truly. What we do

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Speaker 1: is we each take a look. Aaron takes a look

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Speaker 1: at issues affecting women. I take a look at issues

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Speaker 1: affecting gay people, and we just treat those issues with

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Speaker 1: very little respect, go off into tangents about them, turn

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Speaker 1: them into ridiculous characters, and sort of make fun of

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Speaker 1: the people who are causing problems in this country. Perfect. Well,

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Speaker 1: so how would you guys describe each other? Though? Oh um, oh,

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Speaker 1: Brian's white. Yes, how we described I feel like we do.

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Speaker 1: like we just we try. We like we both like

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Speaker 1: so I feel like we've traded off that pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Brian's way more silly, You're sillier. You like nonsense, You're

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Speaker 1: more confident with nonsense. Thank you. I like being dirty, yes,

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Speaker 1: What I think Aaron does so well is going from

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Speaker 1: I think what's interesting about our relationship is that there's not,

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Speaker 1: this dynamic. We both love being silly, and we both

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Speaker 1: out of just a We had done another show where

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Speaker 1: That's Gay essentially looked at how gay people and gayness

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Speaker 1: those arguments. It was a pretty exhaustive research wise. And

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Speaker 1: Worst person. On the other side, someone actually tweeted me

431
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Speaker 1: yesterday to inform me that in our most recent podcast,

432
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Speaker 1: when I had meant to say the show Laguna Beach,

433
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: I said the o C instead, thank you, thank you

434
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Speaker 1: for the one. What that person is essentially doing is

435
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Speaker 1: going home, flipping open their laptop, connecting to WiFi, log

436
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Speaker 1: it in, and sending you that email. That's insane. Yeah.

437
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: We did get a letter that was pretty crazy not

438
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: too long ago. That it was incredibly long and it

439
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: was brating us for for something, and I thought, well, well,

440
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: certainly this person just got so mad that they had

441
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Speaker 1: to go home and bang out this email and just

442
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Speaker 1: send it. Except that the email had a PS, and

443
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Speaker 1: the PS said, after reviewing my email several times, I

444
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Speaker 1: still stand by everything I said. And so, God, you

445
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: have to really care that we are so wrong. You

446
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: have to care, you have to be honest with you.

447
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: I respect the crap out of that person, they said,

448
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to go ahead and side with them

449
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Speaker 1: on this one for at least proof reading it and

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Speaker 1: consider they stuff with their conviction. You know what, y'all,

451
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: Honestly this is these are a good problem to have

452
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: because if people weren't emotional and weren't invested, they wouldn't

453
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: do this stuff. And and that's that just means that

454
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Speaker 1: we're reaching people, even if it's about whatever. Someone had

455
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Speaker 1: the guts to PSU and double down on it. I

456
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: do just love I totally agree with you. God bless

457
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Speaker 1: them all. I do just love someone listening to Throwing

458
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Speaker 1: Shade or to your podcast and being indignified. It's like,

459
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: but the grammar was impeccable. I mean I can do that.

460
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, well, so you guys have such

461
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: a wonderful rapport, such a great rhythm. Are feminists and

462
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Speaker 1: homo sensuals natural allies or do you guys just have

463
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Speaker 1: something magical. Well, here's what Aaron and I have talked about.

464
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Speaker 1: I think that underneath it all the homophobia and sexism

465
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Speaker 1: and is really all just misogyny. It's people being afraid

466
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Speaker 1: of something feminine or something that they consider female. I

467
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people who hate getty people

468
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: do it because they think there's something I don't know,

469
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: womanly about it, and so I think they are natural allies.

470
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: I think they also should be natural allies. And however,

471
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I do like to also think that Aaron and I

472
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: do have a very specific special bond that you know

473
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Speaker 1: that really I don't think can be messed with. But honestly,

474
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Speaker 1: for two people who into the same kind of people,

475
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: we really never talk about. Have we ever talked about

476
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Speaker 1: sex once? I mean honestly, not likely, not in real words. No,

477
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Speaker 1: not like not like how I do with like my

478
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Speaker 1: friend Allison. No, not how I do with my mom. No,

479
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: just kidding, I don't talk to my mom about my

480
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: sex life. No, I think so. Yeah, I do think

481
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: that we have a very sort of specific, exciting bond

482
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Speaker 1: in that you know, um, I don't know. Honestly, it

483
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: feels like a sibling, you know, like, Yeah, we have

484
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: that kind of thing together where we love to rip

485
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: each other. We'd love to get the best of each other,

486
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: and we'd love to see the best of each other.

487
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Speaker 1: I think our parents are also very similar and like,

488
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: maybe not identical, but just we're both raising the South.

489
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: We both were raising like maybe not conservative conservative households,

490
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: but like conservative environments. There are things expected of us

491
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: in a in a Southern way that we've kind of

492
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: fought against. So there's a lot of, um, there's just

493
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of upbringing that we that

494
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: we share similar perspective. Nobody loves CASA like we do.

495
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: So Throwing Shade is ultimately a comedy podcast, obviously, but

496
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: you still tackle these serious issues and things that you

497
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: know aren't so comfortable to talk about all the time.

498
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: So what's your take on how humor can sometimes address

499
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: those kinds of things like homophobia, misogyny, inequality, etcetera more

500
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: effectively than the more academic think piece newsy style. I

501
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: just think it's easier to listen to. I think you're

502
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: much more willing to open your mind if you're actually listening. Um,

503
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: I I'm not saying all things pieces are bad, Certainly not,

504
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know. After a few paragraphs of one,

505
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you feel like you're getting yelled at. Sometimes you

506
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: feel like you're getting guilted into something as those are

507
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: nice things to feel, and I think, I don't know,

508
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like if you're laughing, you

509
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: are also inherently listening, and comedy is by nature inclusive,

510
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: like you need, you need the approval of an audience

511
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: to be too. So everyone's having a good time. And

512
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't think think pieces necessarily have to take that

513
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: in consideration. Or some talking head on a news program,

514
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: they don't give a poop. If you're, if you if you're,

515
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: if you're like game, you know what I mean, You're

516
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: just a lot of people are just there to talk,

517
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: and we certainly are, but we also care about if

518
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: people are having a good time, right Like, I feel

519
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: like I've never got to think a piece that's like,

520
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I've never heard let's start like that.

521
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: And I think comedy is such an underdog thing that

522
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's easier to easier to absorb

523
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: that kind of thing than have a boulevard. That being said,

524
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: I do think there are sometimes comedians who don't who

525
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: do try to use comedy, but they still are a

526
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: little bit There is this weird sub niche if that's

527
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: even a word of like political comedians who like talking

528
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: over people's heads, who like being as far as person

529
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: in the room. And I think what works about Brian

530
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: and podcast specifically in the political realm is that we

531
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: will talk under you're really working with the lowest common denominator,

532
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: but about things that are pretty heavy. Oh maybe that's

533
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: why it's so appealing to me. Um. Well, so the phrase,

534
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: the actual phrase throwing shade, has been having quite a

535
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: pop cultural moment. It seems like just about even my mother,

536
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it's using the term throwing shade. Um.

537
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Have people ever taken issue with your use of it? Yeah,

538
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I think, I mean it's happened. I think a couple

539
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 1: of times, if you mean, just like misappropriation and yeah, um, well,

540
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: should we tell people what it's the term comes from

541
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: the first time we heard it was from that documentary

542
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 1: Paris Is Burning? You know that? Okay, Yeah, so that

543
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: was the first and I think that was sort of

544
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: the intro of it to the world, was you know,

545
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: because I remember the big title card in that movie

546
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: that says Shade, and then Dorian Corey explaining what that means. Um,

547
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: And so I think we just took it from from

548
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: that and being obviously huge lovers of that movie, all

549
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: things queer and especially that movie, and and so that's

550
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: where we took it from. I don't think though, I

551
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: think we're actually using it pretty literally. So I think

552
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: people will take an issue with it. Have never listened

553
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: to the show for sure, Um, but but I would

554
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: buy and lunch. I think I remember like one time

555
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: or two times getting a tweet about that. Yeah, I

556
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: do think it's it's being used a lot and maybe

557
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: by the wrong people, but we are actually doing it.

558
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: So so what can we look forward to on Throwing Shade.

559
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: There's a word of a live tour. Yeah, our tour

560
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: will be on the site ready to go. We're doing

561
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: a huge seventeen city tour this year and it says

562
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: we're doing seventeen cities east coast, west coast, down the

563
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: middle of Texas, Canada and what is our third year

564
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: going on tour and um, we're really excited. We have

565
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: UM we're getting separate hotel rooms this year's were very

566
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: excited about about them with adjoining doors. Right, Oh, well

567
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: whatever movie that would be from vacation, Yeah, and we can.

568
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Our deal is that hotels have to be next door,

569
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and we have to enter the door at the same

570
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: time and leave the door at the same time that

571
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: they plant at the same time. It's hard to do

572
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: because their hotel doors, so one opens one way and

573
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: one that opens the other. It's very difficult. And then

574
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: also we have to put a glass up to the

575
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: wall so that we can talk to each other. I'm

576
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: picturing like total sleepover bathrobes. Hopefully it's a hotel. Yeah. Now,

577
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: do you all have any pre live show rituals? Aside

578
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: from opening the door at the same time, we each

579
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: have a vodka. I don't think I'm gonna have one

580
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: this year. I know we might not do that. We

581
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of We certainly don't get drunk, but we'll have

582
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: one drink before the show. I got drunk last year

583
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: in Chicago after remember when someone said Aaron filled a

584
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: martini on my shoe and because I was so drunk,

585
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: I still after that was after the show. Aaron thought

586
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: that martinis were more than just alcohol. Legitimately, she thought

587
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: it was like a mixed drink. It's happened to the

588
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: best of us. She had like six martinis. I've never

589
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: seen her like this in my life, by the way,

590
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: and by the next day my I was like, Oh,

591
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Speaker 1: it's Chicago, I used to live here. I'll stay, I'll

592
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: check out of the hotel. Then I'll go around town

593
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: see all my old hats. And they don't go to

594
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: the airplane airport at six pm. Well after, I threw

595
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: up all day walking around Chicago, throwing up in different

596
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: parts that I used to just different buildings I used

597
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Speaker 1: to be. How's this for a sales pitch Throwing Shade

598
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: is a lot of sober fun performing exclusively in church basics.

599
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: If you can playing email us you know it is.

600
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: It's a fun show we do. We have pre show

601
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: which was we don't really we work out sometimes or

602
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: we'll go we sit in silence. Yeah, hey, here's the thing.

603
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: We stave it all for the state we do. Wait,

604
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say something about the show. We You

605
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of people a lot of podcast when

606
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: they do live shows, it's seated. There's it's this thing

607
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: where they sit down at a table and and and

608
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: have like the mics seed it and is very like

609
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: almost like a like a book panel or like a

610
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: talk is like a full production show, like a two

611
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: person stand up. We're up, We're out in the audience,

612
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: were including everybody. It's it's not like we're sitting down

613
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: recording a show, not that there's anything wrong with that,

614
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: but ours is like full frantic. You get all of

615
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: our A D. D. You get all of our anxiety,

616
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: you get all of our neating name. If you've ever

617
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: seen singing in the rain, it's exactly like that. You're

618
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: just running up walls, exactly full umbrellas. Yes, can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Are you all coming through Atlanta by any chi? Yeah? Are?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, well we're in Atlanta, so well having

621
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Speaker 1: as I think? Yeah, awesome And where can people go

622
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Speaker 1: to find out more about you? Listen to the podcast

623
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Speaker 1: and all that good stuff Twitters and Instagram on Twitter

624
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Speaker 1: and Instagram hind hat Brian Sapi, which is just my name,

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Speaker 1: and I'm at Gibbler tron g I V B l

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Speaker 1: R t R o in and then all of our

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Speaker 1: information is on throwing Shade dot com. Yeah, fantastic, amazing,

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Speaker 1: Thanks ladies, big fan of your podcast, thanks for having it,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, so thanks so much again to

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Speaker 1: Aaron and Brian of Throwing Shade. We loved talking with

631
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Speaker 1: these guys and we really hope that you enjoyed this

632
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Speaker 1: episode as well. So now let's hear from our listeners.

633
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Speaker 1: Do you guys also listen to Throwing Shade? Did anything

634
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: that we talked about strike and nerve? Or did you

635
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: even listen? Are you still there? Hello? Um? And again,

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Speaker 1: Brian and Aaron are on tour. Their live shows are hilarious.

637
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Speaker 1: They are part stand up, part podcasts, and you definitely

638
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: don't want to miss them because these two are comedy geniuses.

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Speaker 1: So head on over to Throwing Shade dot com to

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Speaker 1: not only learn more about Aaron and Brian in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: but also find out if they're coming to a city

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Speaker 1: near you. And, like Caroline said, we want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you as always. Mom Stuff at how stuff works

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Speaker 1: dot com is our email address. You can also tweet

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Speaker 1: up at mom Stuff podcasts or messages on Facebook, and

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Speaker 1: we've got a couple of messages to share with you

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Speaker 1: right now. Chris and I have received a bunch of

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Speaker 1: letters after our female Urination Device or stand to pe

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Speaker 1: device episode. Basically, you know our episode on on p funnels. Um,

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Speaker 1: and we've heard from a lot of you guys who

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Speaker 1: use these devices on your many adventures, and so we

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Speaker 1: want to read a couple of letters from folks who

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Speaker 1: have done all sorts of amazing things while packing a

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Speaker 1: p funnel with them. Okay, so this one is from Julie.

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Speaker 1: She says, so glad to hear you discussed the FUD.

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Speaker 1: I've told so many women about it, to a response

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Speaker 1: of polite silence. But really it is so empowering in

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Speaker 1: the best way. I hike kayak, guerrilla farm, commute in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and long distance travel on the train. I keep a

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Speaker 1: FUD in my purse, car and hydration backpack, each one

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Speaker 1: tucked in a soft sided, zippered pencil case. It fits

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Speaker 1: great in cargo pants or dress pants. Pockets that in

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Speaker 1: a silk undercover braw stash for some cash and a

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Speaker 1: credit card. So good to go, pun intended. The side

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Speaker 1: benefit is giving the man in your life a start,

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Speaker 1: and the ladies in the stalls next to you a

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Speaker 1: moment of pause. I like my peace style, but let

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Speaker 1: me know when the Hell of Ladies version comes out.

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Speaker 1: Too much fun And of course Julie is referring to

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Speaker 1: our mention of how we'd love to have a Sminty

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Speaker 1: branded Hey, ladies, p funnel, we can still do it.

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Speaker 1: We can still, dude, Like, we've gotten so many emails

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Speaker 1: about this, not even kidding. People are super excited about this.

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Speaker 1: I think at least four people would buy them, so

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Speaker 1: maybe half of those would buy gifts as well. We'd

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Speaker 1: get up to maybe eight. Yeah, there're any venture capitalists listening.

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Speaker 1: We've got twenty dollars to put in your pocket, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So I've got a letter here from Kirsty, also about

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Speaker 1: our FUD episode. She writes, I just finished your food

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Speaker 1: podcast hilarious and informative. As always, I work for a

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Speaker 1: u N agency and spend a lot of time in

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Speaker 1: the field interviewing and filming the stories of forceably displaced people,

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Speaker 1: and a FUD is standard in my equipment now, though

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Speaker 1: not always. About a year ago, I was at a

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Speaker 1: camp in the Democratic Republic of Congo, and many of

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Speaker 1: the refugee camps there aren't really any sanitary facilities. Safe

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Speaker 1: facilities for women who have been forced to flee is

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Speaker 1: about so much more than hygiene, also key to protecting

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Speaker 1: against risks of s g b V, but we've never

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Speaker 1: had enough funds, and family and staff live with less

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Speaker 1: than desirable facilities. Like you said, I'd become an expert

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Speaker 1: at drinking just the right amount of water to cope

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Speaker 1: in the heat and physically do my job without passing

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Speaker 1: out or needing to pee, and it's not healthy. This

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Speaker 1: particular trip, I spent three days with one family, and

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Speaker 1: on one day we walked about forty minutes outside of

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Speaker 1: the camp to a small stream and water hole where

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Speaker 1: the husband would do the family washing. I remember walking

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Speaker 1: out of the thicket of tall trees and my bladder

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Speaker 1: was assailed by the sound of tinkling water. I had

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Speaker 1: to pee. I held on while we finished filming that

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Speaker 1: particular segment. Then ran about ten minutes up the track

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Speaker 1: to the maze fields and I found a secluded spot

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Speaker 1: no fud, so I had to do the squad and

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Speaker 1: as I'm a nervous pier, it took a while to

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Speaker 1: get going paranoid about poisonous snakes, but more worried someone

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Speaker 1: would walk down the track. As I struggled to pee,

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Speaker 1: I moved back to the herby thickets behind me. Eventually

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Speaker 1: I finished did the shake. No toilet paper either pulled

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Speaker 1: up my trousers and headed off back to work. Hand

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Speaker 1: sanitiizer is an AID worker's best friend. When I finally

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Speaker 1: sat down in our vehicle to leave the camp that night,

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Speaker 1: I felt like I'd been whipped across the backs of

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Speaker 1: my upper thighs and bum a two and a half

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Speaker 1: hour painful car journey bouncing down non existent roads, and

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Speaker 1: I got back to our accommodation and realized I must

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Speaker 1: have brushed against some toxic or poisonous plant while peeing.

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Speaker 1: By that night, sitting was excruciating as it happened in

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Speaker 1: the congo, and with a slightly overactive imagination, I did

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Speaker 1: think maybe this was the beginning of the end. What

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Speaker 1: if I died from poisonous stings to my bottom? What

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Speaker 1: would they tell my loved ones or see at my funeral?

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Speaker 1: No heroics and that all from not being able to

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Speaker 1: pee standing up. The only colleague with me was my

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Speaker 1: male photographer, who was fortunately a trained medic. I was

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Speaker 1: in so much discomfort in the end that I showed

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Speaker 1: him and he provided any histamines which helped reduce the welts.

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Speaker 1: I was fine in a couple of weeks, but my

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Speaker 1: pride was tender a little longer. Since then, I've taken

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Speaker 1: a FUD on each trip and have tried a couple

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Speaker 1: of brands. Fresh At is the best for my kind

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Speaker 1: of work and comfort. As with everything, practice makes perfect.

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Speaker 1: But the trick is that you have to think carefully

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Speaker 1: use one. I find a G string or very stretchy

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Speaker 1: bikini pants are okay. Otherwise you still have to pull

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Speaker 1: your trousers and underwear down. As always being a woman,

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Speaker 1: there are so many things to coordinate for daily work

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Speaker 1: where so thanks Courtsy for sharing that story, and I

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Speaker 1: mean that really drives home the importance of these things existing.

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Speaker 1: They have so many practical applications, so keep sending your

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Speaker 1: stories because yeah, we want to hear about how you

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Speaker 1: pee too, sure mom. Stuff and how Stuff Works dot

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