Speaker 1: Look mare, Oh I see you. Look over there is
Speaker 1: that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture dingda lost Cultureista's calling.
Speaker 2: Now. You were saying off Mike about how you took
Speaker 2: a little bit of an edible. Tell me the strength,
Speaker 2: tell me brand, tell me the type.
Speaker 3: It's those Camino ones that are all over New York's
Speaker 3: very popular with the girls, very popular with the girls.
Speaker 3: Altho though it is doing that thing and it's like
Speaker 3: a miner, I don't think so the honey where it's
Speaker 3: like instead of saying like sativa, indica or hybrid, they
Speaker 3: just go uplifting.
Speaker 1: No, just be straight with social. Tell me.
Speaker 2: Culture number eight. I'm not a child, and so just
Speaker 2: tell me what I'm putting in my body. I know sativa, hybrid, indo, Kai,
Speaker 2: I know all the things. My thing is, I might
Speaker 2: have to go to edibles because I'm smoking all the time.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I used to be a old personally, I used to
Speaker 1: be a flower person.
Speaker 2: Now I smoke joints constantly, and like, I'm gonna need
Speaker 2: my voice soon.
Speaker 1: And so now I'm just like.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's soft launch, soft lunch, but it's getting rougher
Speaker 2: and rougher and ruffer. And also I'm waking up and
Speaker 2: feeling hungover in a way that I'm like, but I
Speaker 2: didn't even dream.
Speaker 1: No, allergies are weird, right now, let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the allergy of it all.
Speaker 3: Do you feel a little duped coming back to New
Speaker 3: York because I feel like the trees aren't a sperm
Speaker 3: me in La Sister, It really hits you like a
Speaker 3: ton of bricks here.
Speaker 2: But then I'm on my group chat with the La
Speaker 2: Fags and they're saying they can't breathe, and so now
Speaker 2: I'm that's the fi, that's the fire. Apparently it's national Girl.
Speaker 2: We're back in the studio with no cans. Last week
Speaker 2: we had no cans, and now it just really feels
Speaker 2: like talking and not podcasting.
Speaker 3: And I feel like this is the right sort of schema,
Speaker 3: the right energy for our guest. This is so thrilled because.
Speaker 2: Then here's the thing. It's like here we are sitting
Speaker 2: here talking and then you zoom out a second. Not
Speaker 2: only is the recording equipment here, but there's a guest.
Speaker 2: Here's a guest who's sort of the king of all kings,
Speaker 2: just released the new book, The Daddy Diaries. The year
Speaker 2: I grew up by our guest.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you agree pop culture because you go, oh right, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's friends with like Barry Diller, you know, like he's
Speaker 3: hand to warn Michaels's house in the Hamptons.
Speaker 1: I love the abbreviation of S J S J Oh God,
Speaker 1: you know Hickey, Oh, Hickey k oh. I saw the
Speaker 1: Plaza Sweet. Hickey was such a good director.
Speaker 2: Wad Plaza Sweet? Oh, constant reference to Plaza Sweet. I
Speaker 2: was just it was like a euphoric trigger for me
Speaker 2: because every single time I think about Plaza Sweet, I
Speaker 2: think about comedy, which we call it.
Speaker 1: It was actually really culture number eleven. We call it two.
Speaker 2: When she came out, and at two in that fucking
Speaker 2: blue number, you better fuck off.
Speaker 1: Mike Nichols could never I said in the theater. I
Speaker 1: was in the sixth do I said fuck off off?
Speaker 1: But I didn't.
Speaker 3: Oh, can we just share something? So Matt and I
Speaker 3: went to a screening of Two Big Dicks, Two Big Dicks,
Speaker 3: Josh Sharp and Air and Jackson's that was upcoming a
Speaker 3: twenty four musical. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: There is a line in there.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter what the context is, but someone
Speaker 3: yells at Josh, you know what, fuck off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's powerful, very powerful phrase, very off. I have
Speaker 2: a shirt that says it. Thank you HBO's succession marketing
Speaker 2: team for sending that in a big box. Listen back
Speaker 2: to the guest. This is someone who I have. I'm
Speaker 2: sort of a conflicting right now because like I love
Speaker 2: the guest, the guest is one of my favorite people
Speaker 2: on Earth.
Speaker 1: The guest has put me in the book. The guest
Speaker 1: has put you in the book.
Speaker 2: You're in the book too, but only just mentions. Show
Speaker 2: with Bowen Yang and Matt Rodgers was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: Then you know what he said, which I really appreciated,
Speaker 3: saft Fire Island, I know, which was really really cute, really.
Speaker 1: Cute, which I think perfect reveal.
Speaker 2: And then he said, I hope that people don't come
Speaker 2: to Fire Island as a result of this, And we
Speaker 2: want to echo that statement.
Speaker 3: We don't come. Call me, Kamala, do not come. In
Speaker 3: the words of Kamala Harris, do not come.
Speaker 2: It's ruler culture number thirty three and the words of
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, do not come.
Speaker 1: We want to thank our vice president for being so welcoming.
Speaker 2: Now let's discuss our guests our guest, I mean author,
Speaker 2: talk show host, produce, sir like maker of culture and
Speaker 2: isn't that what this is all about?
Speaker 1: This podcast? Bowing up? Absolutely. We feel really honored in
Speaker 1: his presence.
Speaker 3: Also really Serene too, lovely man, easy to talk to me,
Speaker 3: easy to.
Speaker 1: Talk to no living novel.
Speaker 3: The hosts radio Andy, you host Watch what Happens live exactly,
Speaker 3: producer of every Housewives you took. It's not it's not,
Speaker 3: it said, uplifting, Please welcome into your ears, Andy Cohen.
Speaker 3: It's something I just taped a show, Watch what Happens?
Speaker 1: Yes? Who were the guests? The first show was the
Speaker 1: Jonas brothers.
Speaker 4: Oh, and the second show was Jane Fonda, Candice Bergen
Speaker 4: and Mary Steam Oh my godal love goals.
Speaker 1: Two high watted shows. Oh yeah wow really?
Speaker 2: So did the Joe birls sort of come in with
Speaker 2: any Bravo knowledge or is that sort of new?
Speaker 4: I asked the at the top, there was this scene
Speaker 4: from what's that movie?
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 4: Where Sina she delivers the pizza, And I said, do
Speaker 4: you know who this woman is? And then and Kevin
Speaker 4: Jonas knew his wife and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin gets it. I mean they get it all.
Speaker 4: Lovely boys, Yeah, lovely boys, very sweet. They said they regret.
Speaker 1: The chastity rings. Well I would too, yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: like a fun yes, yeah, you know. Yeah. Well then
Speaker 1: they came back so fucking horny they did. They can't.
Speaker 2: And then remember when Nick was like learning with the
Speaker 2: gay community for a second, and then they had him
Speaker 2: speak at Stonewall?
Speaker 1: Remember that? Why are you putting him up there? Oh
Speaker 1: my god?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I remember once Nick was on the show years ago,
Speaker 4: early in the run of Watch What Happens Life, when
Speaker 4: we did an experiment for about a year where Sandra.
Speaker 1: Bernhard was gonna be my Andy Rooney if you get.
Speaker 4: There, and once a week on Thursday, she came out
Speaker 4: and did a segment called Sandrology where she would come
Speaker 4: out and do a rant. I was like, I want
Speaker 4: to give you two minutes at the end of every
Speaker 4: Thursday episode say whatever you want whatever. So she would
Speaker 4: come out and do it, and the guests would sit
Speaker 4: there in stun silence because they didn't know what was happening,
Speaker 4: certainly Nick Jonas. And so then we kept Sandra for
Speaker 4: the after show and she's sitting at the bar quipping
Speaker 4: and quipping her thing, and she says to Nick Jonas,
Speaker 4: where do you live, honey? And he said, Chelsea, He said,
Speaker 4: I really love it there and she said, oh honey,
Speaker 4: I bet.
Speaker 1: They love you. And it was and he didn't get
Speaker 1: it and it was so great, was so young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did really get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he gets it now and that's why
Speaker 2: he doesn't do all that right Preanca, Oh.
Speaker 3: Wait, can I share something please? I think I'm allowed to.
Speaker 1: Share those, okay.
Speaker 3: Insider April twenty twenty. We're all locked up at home.
Speaker 3: Esen l is like, we got to do these at
Speaker 3: home shows. Then in your sketches, Juleo Torres and I
Speaker 3: are like, do we write a sequel to Sarah Lee?
Speaker 3: Let's see if Nick Jonas is available. We hear Nick
Speaker 3: Jonas is interested in being in sketches, Okay, we write
Speaker 3: him a whole sequel to Starily called Chef Boyard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Great, and it's like filthy, filth.
Speaker 2: Filthy and gay and the original for people that don't know,
Speaker 2: it's Harry Styles.
Speaker 3: Social media intern at Sarily. He kind of mixes up
Speaker 3: his account wreck me King.
Speaker 1: Full Circle.
Speaker 3: Nick Jonas is in that one. Yes, an Instagram for
Speaker 3: and so basically we sent it to him. As people
Speaker 3: got back to us, they said Nick is very sensitive
Speaker 3: to queer baiting, and which totally which we love. I
Speaker 3: mean that's growth, you know. Yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Down with Nick doing a little queer baiting too.
Speaker 2: I would love just a little bit of queer baiting,
Speaker 2: show a little peak of butt, show a little peak
Speaker 2: of button.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not going to say I'm above this. Okay,
Speaker 2: I've been a gay man for a very long time.
Speaker 2: I have done the thing where I google celebrity named shirtless. Right,
Speaker 2: let's just say when you do that with him, there's
Speaker 2: no shortage now, treasure tro Yes.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I asked him actually about two hours ago why he
Speaker 4: stopped with the shirtless and he said it was too
Speaker 4: exhausting and to maintain it. And I didn't know if
Speaker 4: he meant maintaining his body or maintaining the postings. But
Speaker 4: also he said that he didn't like it because what
Speaker 4: people would think about was the shirtless and not the music.
Speaker 2: We got your own music that you gotta be thinking
Speaker 2: about the music. I mean, they have good music, which
Speaker 2: also gets lost.
Speaker 3: I'm a sucker, one of us good and like that
Speaker 3: this album is like leaning into dad rock.
Speaker 1: It's very yacht rocky. Yes, love yacht rock.
Speaker 2: Wait, speaking of yacht rock, one of my favorite things,
Speaker 2: and that's this isn't even yacht rock really, because I don't.
Speaker 2: I think that Jimmy Buffett actually defies characterization. But Jimmy
Speaker 2: Buffett appears so much in the book. He does I'm
Speaker 2: like a parrothead from both my dad like he's a
Speaker 2: huge part. I actually have a Jimmy Buffett vintage concert
Speaker 2: t shirt from like eighty one. Oh my god that
Speaker 2: my dad had some of my prize possessions. And Jimmy
Speaker 2: Buffett appears so much in your book. Do you have
Speaker 2: a relationship with Jimmy Buffett.
Speaker 4: You know, I met I'm really good friends with Jane Buffett,
Speaker 4: who is one of the coolest people you will ever meet.
Speaker 4: She is like the greatest hostess and the hangs at their.
Speaker 1: House are really good.
Speaker 4: I bet and I had to kind of restrain myself
Speaker 4: from really going into it in the book, but she
Speaker 4: is so cool. But there is a funny story in
Speaker 4: the book where I went out to dinner with them
Speaker 4: one night in Segharbor and yeah, I'm POWs with them,
Speaker 4: and I'm buddies.
Speaker 1: With Jimmy and I love him.
Speaker 4: And we went to get froyo after, and I was
Speaker 4: kind of explaining to him how froyo works at the
Speaker 4: wasn't hand of sixteen handles now with Budaberry and sag
Speaker 4: Harbor on Main Street? And so I do a Q
Speaker 4: and A with my audience every night before watch What
Speaker 4: Happens Live. Two weeks later, someone raises their hand and says,
Speaker 4: I just want you to know. This isn't a question,
Speaker 4: it's just a comment. I saw you at Buddha Berry
Speaker 4: helping your dad get and I just wanted you to
Speaker 4: know how sweet you were being with your dad. I go,
Speaker 4: that wasn't my jet, my dad, that was Jimmy fucking Buffett.
Speaker 4: So I told I called Jane. I go, this is
Speaker 4: the funniest story. She goes, oh my god, you gotta
Speaker 4: tell Jimmy that. I go, well, is he gonna think
Speaker 4: it's funny? She goes, Jimmy's gonna die. You gotta tell.
Speaker 4: So she told him, And then every time I see
Speaker 4: him now, he calls me son and I call him down.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I cool, dad, that's cool. It's actually a really coacher
Speaker 2: Number eighty Jimmy Buffett is a cool day. I have
Speaker 2: so much knowledge or dream Buffet from one of these.
Speaker 2: Like the songs you know by heart, I really know
Speaker 2: them by heartache, yes, hard.
Speaker 3: I feel like over the years you have not fully
Speaker 3: excavated this, like it's always like just.
Speaker 1: Underneath the surface.
Speaker 4: Well, my father ever in the Hampton's, I'm bringing you
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: You know the one time I went to the Hampton's
Speaker 2: last year for a wedding. You know who I ran
Speaker 2: into at a restaurant, Ramona singer. Oh boy, who doesn't
Speaker 2: know who I am?
Speaker 1: But I was. She doesn't know who anybody she barely
Speaker 1: knows who.
Speaker 2: I doesn't Right, I was walking by the hostess then
Speaker 2: where she was waiting, and she looks at me and
Speaker 2: she kind of goes hi, And I was like, big
Speaker 2: fan him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, not right. She goes, oh, that's very sweet,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's good. Well, what's very sweet? Strong.
Speaker 4: Ramona is always on brand, which I actually love about. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a moment in the book where she asked me
Speaker 4: if I'm going to Teresa's wedding. She texted me, are
Speaker 4: you going to Teressa's wedding and I went to Montana
Speaker 4: that weekend and I said, no, I'm going to Montana.
Speaker 1: She said, I've always wanted to go there.
Speaker 4: And I said, Ramona, did you go there in your
Speaker 4: Season four trip when a Viva had asthma and she's
Speaker 4: she goes, oh my god, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot. I'm like, yeah, wow. Bowen ran into
Speaker 1: her one time on the street.
Speaker 3: I ran into her one time in the street. It's
Speaker 3: just like six years ago. I was walking home from work.
Speaker 3: She'd just come out of a van with like three
Speaker 3: other women walking into like I want to say, like
Speaker 3: Balthazar or something. Okay, yeah, okay, but go on. But
Speaker 3: I just I did the thing where it's like can
Speaker 3: I get a pick? I knew what I was dealing with. Yes,
Speaker 3: I was ship to the pleasantry. There was no turn down.
Speaker 1: Oh she was. She did it, but she but like quick,
Speaker 1: do it quick, do it quick.
Speaker 3: It was it was do it quick, and then and
Speaker 3: then the smile for the camera and then then I said,
Speaker 3: thank you, dust.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love having these leg Well now it's different
Speaker 2: because I think we obviously they know who you are.
Speaker 2: I've been on watch what happens. I have a bunch
Speaker 2: they may know who I am, but like now you
Speaker 2: meet them and it's a little bit different. But back
Speaker 2: in the day when that could happen, Like I have
Speaker 2: a couple favorite interactions, which was okay. One time Garstuth
Speaker 2: came on this podcast, it was virtual. She was lovely.
Speaker 2: We had a really good episode. Are you close with her?
Speaker 2: Because it seems like.
Speaker 1: I really liked her? I really like her. She's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is excellent. Y, Yes, she's really good.
Speaker 2: Because I was listening to like I was reading the
Speaker 2: book and it was funny because a lot of the
Speaker 2: events that you have Garselen Rena at like they're together.
Speaker 1: And then it must have turned in the moment.
Speaker 4: What was interesting is they spoke at my Hollywood Star
Speaker 4: and there was a whole thing that happened around that,
Speaker 4: because that was three days before I got my star
Speaker 4: in Hollywood, or two days before they returned from Aspen
Speaker 4: where the Kathy Hilton thing happened, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it's all on TMZ what happened. There's all these allegations
Speaker 4: and we're like, who is leaking at and Rinn is
Speaker 4: calling me saying I got to bring this up on
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen on camera, but I have to bring
Speaker 1: it up and all.
Speaker 4: This stuff, and I was like, look, you do what
Speaker 4: you gotta do, you know, say your piece, you know,
Speaker 4: And I was saying to her, I just you know,
Speaker 4: think about the optics, think about if this is going
Speaker 4: to land for you, but do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 4: But it was so wild because we were trying to
Speaker 4: figure out who from the cast was leaking.
Speaker 1: Hit also have to be one of them.
Speaker 4: Me Garcel were not in a good place at that moment,
Speaker 4: and there they are getting up to represent all the
Speaker 4: housewives at My Star thing and this Kathy Hilton thing
Speaker 4: was happened.
Speaker 3: It was very fraud When someone comes to you like that,
Speaker 3: like like whenever Renna comes to you like that, it's
Speaker 3: like I am intent on doing this thing and you
Speaker 3: have to let me do it or whatever. Now that
Speaker 3: they're asking you permission, right, what do you think is
Speaker 3: the missing thread for them?
Speaker 1: Like what do you want to tell them?
Speaker 4: And be like we know sometimes with that one, I
Speaker 4: was like, look, do whatever you you know, she felt
Speaker 4: very strongly about it. She was very upset, and I said,
Speaker 4: do what you want to, but I remember saying to her, Look,
Speaker 4: the perception is that you're going after everybody, and so
Speaker 4: I just don't know how this is going to land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, but do you? Yeah? And then how it
Speaker 1: did totally? Well that yeah, very pression of you, because
Speaker 1: backfir totally.
Speaker 2: I was shocked when actually went as deep into it
Speaker 2: on that reunion as they did, When Erica was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, Kathy, you called the guy a fagot.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, and then at that point you're
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, why would they go there, why
Speaker 2: would she bring that word into it? If that did
Speaker 2: not happen. I don't see a world where Erica just
Speaker 2: makes that up where Erica says the word faggot on
Speaker 2: television for no reason. It's that diabolical, which I just
Speaker 2: don't believe Erica is. I'm coming or back around on
Speaker 2: Erica Jane, and my thing is like, I'm really looking
Speaker 2: forward to and I know you cannot confirm or deny,
Speaker 2: but a more fun Beverly Hill season like.
Speaker 5: I would season was pretty great. Excuse me, no, no,
Speaker 5: I mean not listening on. Can I just say that's
Speaker 5: not what I'm maybe this is my rant? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 5: I have two little rants.
Speaker 4: One is it's so upsetting as a producer of the
Speaker 4: show that, first of all, it's a balancing act because
Speaker 4: everybody's passion is what fuels these shows and it's so great.
Speaker 4: But as a producer, you want to save what is
Speaker 4: happening for you know, you want people to find out
Speaker 4: on the show. It's so fun watching Succession and not
Speaker 4: knowing what's going to happen, and you know, there's so
Speaker 4: many leaks, and every time the cast is out filming,
Speaker 4: it's like online, Oh, they were arguing about something.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong.
Speaker 4: What I don't like is that half the time the
Speaker 4: response is, oh, this season looks so boring. It's like, well,
Speaker 4: you don't know what's happening. But I feel that Beverly
Speaker 4: Hills for years got a bad rap. As you know,
Speaker 4: nothing's happening, Why are we still talking about it?
Speaker 1: It's slow? And then last season, which was drama pack,
Speaker 1: it really was.
Speaker 4: Every episode it was shocking, it was sensational, and now
Speaker 4: you're saying, no, no, no, why can't we have a little fun?
Speaker 1: They get along? I feel about Atlanta. I want them
Speaker 1: to get along better.
Speaker 2: I would agree, I mean, what I'm saying about Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills is it was very dark and the way it
Speaker 2: ended with being the way it was, I.
Speaker 1: Was so upset, very upset.
Speaker 4: There was a moment where Garcelle turned to me at
Speaker 4: the reunion and this may be in the book, and
Speaker 4: kind of it was while Kathy and Kyle were and
Speaker 4: she kind.
Speaker 1: Of mouthed to me, like, what are we doing something
Speaker 1: like that? And it was.
Speaker 4: And when there's when there's ship with sisters or sister
Speaker 4: in laws, whatever, you know, that's when you sit there
Speaker 4: and think, oh man, this is but I understand what
Speaker 4: you're saying about fun.
Speaker 1: We love that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean we our favorite right now. I
Speaker 2: texted you this is the housewivese in Miami.
Speaker 4: I we scream love it. It's so when Audreyana, first
Speaker 4: of all, when she squeaks, squeak, squeaked the wheelchair coming.
Speaker 2: Did you add that in?
Speaker 1: You had a really good question. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: love sound effects.
Speaker 4: Okay, then and we take I always put in my
Speaker 4: notes take that out. But I don't know that's I
Speaker 4: believe you, Ques, But if that's sticking with you, then
Speaker 4: I believe that it's real. And that's hilarious, so funny.
Speaker 4: But also what about Audreyana's letter from Marisol's liver.
Speaker 1: I mean that I reached out. It was did we
Speaker 1: talk about that.
Speaker 2: I reached out to you, like I need you next
Speaker 2: time I'm in the clubhouse, see that friend.
Speaker 4: It's sitting It's sitting on my it's sitting on my
Speaker 4: desk at home. It con no, it's going to be
Speaker 4: a Bravo con it has to.
Speaker 1: I took it. I was like, I need this.
Speaker 4: But what you need to know about that was I
Speaker 4: had just spent solidly twenty minutes half hour trying to
Speaker 4: negotiate a peace between Marisol and Adriana, and we kind
Speaker 4: of got there. Audriana then says one more thing. I
Speaker 4: have this and I'm like, oh, okay, and I open
Speaker 4: it and I'm like, what, oh, this is bad because
Speaker 4: I see who it's from, Marissol's liver.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I have to say that.
Speaker 4: I remember going home that night, I popped my edible
Speaker 4: of choice, which is a Chiba Chuu ten milligram sativa,
Speaker 4: which gets me exactly the right high every time.
Speaker 1: And I want you to protect your voice. You are
Speaker 1: a singer. You need it.
Speaker 4: Move to the edibles. This isn't working out for you.
Speaker 4: So it's find your high and stay with it. The
Speaker 4: great thing about an edible is you find your dose
Speaker 4: and then it's there and it gets you the same
Speaker 4: high everything regular I was.
Speaker 2: We were with Ben Platt the other night at the
Speaker 2: Muna concert and he says to me because he was
Speaker 2: whispering because he has to be in parade, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I just realized why you're whispering. And I
Speaker 2: was like, it's such a bummer when i have to
Speaker 2: get ready to torn stuff and I'm going to record
Speaker 2: soon because I love weed and he loves weed, right,
Speaker 2: And then he said to me, well, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not the smoking that drives you out, it's actually the
Speaker 2: THHC itself. What So, even when you do an edible
Speaker 2: and that's from Ben Platt, best singer in the world.
Speaker 4: My mom is so upset that I am not married
Speaker 4: to bet. To Ben it is all. She's like, why
Speaker 4: can't you marry Ben? And she's met the mother. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like.
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite people. Like that we've gotten
Speaker 2: to meet through this, that's great. Like he's become a
Speaker 2: genuine friend to us. I love Noah, and I would say,
Speaker 2: have you gotten to see parades? Noah, No, Galvin Beyonce kidding? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: have you seen parades?
Speaker 1: Haven't?
Speaker 3: I need to seeing it next Thursday. Oh shit, I
Speaker 3: have to give up my ticket. Oh I have to
Speaker 3: be in London though.
Speaker 1: Ticket. We're going to London to see Beyonce. When are
Speaker 1: you singing Renaissances? You know what? My summer concert is Madonna.
Speaker 2: Because I'm so old, I'm such a I don't have
Speaker 2: tickets yet, but I want you know what, I haven't
Speaker 2: Met Life aversion.
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Do you understand it is?
Speaker 4: It is literally a trap. If you don't leave at
Speaker 4: the right time, you will be there.
Speaker 1: Believe doing that. Twice I left. There's a moment in
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 4: I went and saw McCartney at Met Life and we
Speaker 4: left Ticky and I. I made him leave and we
Speaker 4: braced out of there and we missed the encore. He
Speaker 4: did a duet with a John Lennon on the screen
Speaker 4: like yeah, but and I was like, you know.
Speaker 1: What, okay, but whatever I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like we went to we went to Gaga and
Speaker 3: then we walk all that we had to walk past.
Speaker 1: It's so bad. It's so bad.
Speaker 3: The only place the work took us up was on
Speaker 3: the side of the highway literally.
Speaker 2: And then I remember when I saw Taylor do reputation.
Speaker 2: I mean, we love a rain show in the moment, yes,
Speaker 2: pouring after it it was a night mare.
Speaker 1: And then we're going to see eras.
Speaker 4: How'd you get your tailor tickets? And went on hard
Speaker 4: time for my niece. I just I just paid too
Speaker 4: much for them, Okay is the answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, before we asked you the question, I did sort
Speaker 2: of wanted to get into it with you about the
Speaker 2: way I come up in your book because we had
Speaker 2: agreed to sleep under the rug.
Speaker 1: What happened one.
Speaker 2: Evening in April twenty twenty two when I made my
Speaker 2: debut on Watch it Happen.
Speaker 1: Your Clubhouse debut? And who were you on with Aaron
Speaker 1: Huger the Goron?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeahwe that was a layup for you. I want
Speaker 2: you to know I got my call that that was
Speaker 2: going to happen. I was in the makeup trailer for
Speaker 2: I Love That for You, Yeah, and I like, I think,
Speaker 2: turned to Molly Yeah and was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be on because they know what I Love That for
Speaker 2: you As a huge Housewive set. Yes, so everyone loves it,
Speaker 2: Vanessa Ma. Yeah, so like I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be on with Karen Huger. It was like a moment
Speaker 2: I almost got like emotional about love because I love
Speaker 2: Karen so much. So then they say we want you
Speaker 2: to do an I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had just seen an episode of New Jersey where
Speaker 2: I think Gia over stepped.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, and let me say twenty one.
Speaker 2: Year old Gias yes, yes, yes, So who's in a
Speaker 2: full beat in a confessional?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes? And can I ask you does that mean getting
Speaker 1: paid or no?
Speaker 3: Umm?
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm her tonight? Got it?
Speaker 2: So getting paid and getting into it with Joe Gorga,
Speaker 2: and you see her as an adult, and I see
Speaker 2: her as here's what I see her as. I see
Speaker 2: her as a player on the show, right, And so
Speaker 2: the way she's getting into it and the way that
Speaker 2: I know Teresa will act if anyone engages with her,
Speaker 2: and that to me is illegal. That's an illegal move
Speaker 2: in Housewives is for me to bring my daughter into it.
Speaker 2: And then you can see in Joe Gorga's eyes like
Speaker 2: are you actually doing this for your mother? And are
Speaker 2: we going to get into it? Am I going to
Speaker 2: be the uncle? It's gonna have to set you right
Speaker 2: on television. So I went on watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: and with my I don't think so, honey, I did,
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey, Gia Judeace.
Speaker 4: It was savagely funny, It was shocking, it was surprising,
Speaker 4: it was very pointed, and I had a lot of
Speaker 4: emotion behind it. And I was like, I had my
Speaker 4: cards in front of me. I was recusing myself. I said,
Speaker 4: the views expressed here do not represent you know. Whatever
Speaker 4: shook Karen was shook. And by the way, after a
Speaker 4: triumphant debut performance on the show from You and so
Speaker 4: I walked into the control room and my executive producer,
Speaker 4: who's such a good deardr. She's a really good just
Speaker 4: gauge gauge for things. And sometimes, you know, I'll go
Speaker 4: in and I'll be like, was I too pervy tonight?
Speaker 4: And She'll be like, yes, you were so gross and
Speaker 4: then we you know, and so I was like we
Speaker 4: was that to my like what do you you know?
Speaker 4: Because I was worried about the call I was going
Speaker 4: to get from Sia, So like that's my daughter, what
Speaker 4: are you doing? And I understand that she's twenty one,
Speaker 4: but you know, she's still a kid in our eyes,
Speaker 4: and yeah, exactly and very cool. So we were sitting there,
Speaker 4: we were like, what are we going to do? And
Speaker 4: we were on tape that day and we went in.
Speaker 4: I went into Math's dressing room and I said, listen,
Speaker 4: I think that was a little too much, and here's
Speaker 4: my concern. And he were so cool, and you thought
Speaker 4: of something different, which was Evan Goldschneider.
Speaker 1: Is the hottest house ratio. And we went in he.
Speaker 4: From his brain did another brilliant rant and he was
Speaker 4: so professional and we were all so blown away, and
Speaker 4: we were also so you know, and I was worried
Speaker 4: that he was gonna then blast me on the pod.
Speaker 1: Never like we made him change. I was going to
Speaker 1: go with that.
Speaker 4: So then I guess, yeah, I did put it in
Speaker 4: the you put it in the book in the book,
Speaker 4: but I put it in as a compliment to you
Speaker 4: because it was he was. It really elevated you in
Speaker 4: my eyes.
Speaker 1: It did well. They said you were in the book.
Speaker 2: I was like, what does he say in the book,
Speaker 2: And then I realized that's the thing, and I was
Speaker 2: floored because I thought the GA thing was lost the time.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy that it's out there now.
Speaker 3: It's out there because that's how I feel, and they
Speaker 3: don't have to know what you said necessarily. Yeah, but see, okay,
Speaker 3: but on the subject is like this, I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: a call from Teresa about this. Yes, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: shocked to learn that, like, these women are really texting
Speaker 3: you every damn day. There.
Speaker 1: I tried to.
Speaker 4: Put a lot of the inane stuff in there so
Speaker 4: that people could see. But I also think it's so funny.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's hilarious, and I only put
Speaker 4: shots of it, and I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: Of course, but it's like I didn't realize the jockeying
Speaker 3: was this jockeying. But like, I feel like it's so
Speaker 3: interesting that you that they have this direct line to
Speaker 3: you where you are kind of brokering like their livelihoods
Speaker 3: in a way.
Speaker 4: You know, the ones that have been on the longest,
Speaker 4: I have the closest relationship to and feel the most
Speaker 4: there are I would say most of the new women.
Speaker 4: If we're in contact, it's on DM or it's very
Speaker 4: ginger or cursory. There's a moment where I'm super high
Speaker 4: walking through the parking lot before a dead In Company
Speaker 4: show where John Mayer has just asked me if I
Speaker 4: want to introduce the band Wow, which is like a
Speaker 4: huge fantasy, and I'm super high and I was really
Speaker 4: and I started to get nervous and my heart's beating.
Speaker 1: Vicky starts texting me.
Speaker 4: This is a Friday night in New York City in
Speaker 4: the summer. She starts texting me going nuts that she said,
Speaker 4: I heard you were talking about my stance on vaccines
Speaker 4: on the show and how dare you and all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Vicky, I was talking about something
Speaker 4: that you said is in Ultimate Girls Trip.
Speaker 1: It's on TV. I wasn't putting you on blast whatever.
Speaker 4: And We're getting into it and I'm really high, and
Speaker 4: then finally I said, listen, I'm in a Grateful Dead
Speaker 4: show at a dead End Company show. We will deal
Speaker 4: with this on Monday. And she goes, oh, I love
Speaker 4: the Grateful Dead. Talk to you later, have fun, honey,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, Okay, that's not It's like so so
Speaker 4: real often that you have to put it in there,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: I just that's perfect to anecdote because I feel like,
Speaker 3: please just go with this, okay, But I feel like
Speaker 3: you and Laura are very similar in this way where
Speaker 3: you do have to like Lorne, I think thinks of
Speaker 3: us as his children, and I feel like you. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's quite that same, like you know,
Speaker 3: level of family, Like I mean, Michaels is Louren Michaels,
Speaker 3: so but we're not all texting him every day being
Speaker 3: like put me in this in a sketch, you know,
Speaker 3: like yes, like you know, listen, I produced a show
Speaker 3: about women with no boundaries. I remember years ago when
Speaker 3: kind of when texting was starting.
Speaker 1: I mean it was really it was.
Speaker 4: It was it had already started, but Gretchen Rossi and
Speaker 4: Slade Smiley would text me at all hours go back
Speaker 4: with me on Orange count do you yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm not quite okay anyway.
Speaker 4: And I would be like, what, it's one in the
Speaker 4: morning in New York, what is happening?
Speaker 2: But then they don't know that either, And I would
Speaker 2: imagine that because that was the first one and then
Speaker 2: it's New York, it probably gets easy. Like I would
Speaker 2: imagine that, like if there's like a franchise of women
Speaker 2: you're the least close with it's like probably Salt Lake
Speaker 2: in Dubai.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because the boundary is now
Speaker 1: estab exactly. Yes, you know something different.
Speaker 3: Yes, you've hit critical mass in terms of letting these
Speaker 3: people have access right right right like like like right
Speaker 3: like you have to like put the rope up.
Speaker 4: If there's some major trauma happening or something bad, I'll
Speaker 4: be like, here's my number. I remember last year Heather
Speaker 4: Gay was going through a really hard time and I
Speaker 4: was talking to her before watch What Happens Live and listen.
Speaker 4: It's hard being a housewife. Everyone's judging every fucking thing
Speaker 4: and whatever. And I gave her my number and I said, listen,
Speaker 4: call me if you ever need to, like me to
Speaker 4: talk you off the legs, because this isn't as bad
Speaker 4: as you think, right, you know whatever, But that's a
Speaker 4: situation where you want to be available.
Speaker 3: Yes, right before we ask the question, I think I
Speaker 3: should clear up something.
Speaker 1: Who love it we clear this up before man?
Speaker 3: I went on Happens and Gay Yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 3: went in being like I think I had suspected thought
Speaker 3: I was mad at you. I thought you were mad
Speaker 3: at me, and from the show I was like, I
Speaker 3: haven't been asked back, it's been you know, a year
Speaker 3: and a half in change, and was right.
Speaker 1: I think Andy hates me.
Speaker 3: I think I think I offhandedly used the word I
Speaker 3: might be like probably a L O L band on
Speaker 3: the pod.
Speaker 1: Of course New York Post Picks page six picks.
Speaker 4: Well, but go back before that, Okay, So yes, yes,
Speaker 4: what I said, I maybe like in a different analogous
Speaker 4: way to Matt was very excited to bed.
Speaker 1: I was on during like Monique Samuel, and I was
Speaker 1: laid around with Candice. Think about that.
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, touch points touch points Monique. Anyway, she was
Speaker 3: in front of her aquarium.
Speaker 1: That you were on. She loves an exotic animal.
Speaker 4: You were on remotely during COVID in the immediate of
Speaker 4: the it was the immediate aftermath, excuse me, of George
Speaker 4: Floyd was about So this this context is very important.
Speaker 4: Of course, it was about a week or two after
Speaker 4: George Floyd, so we were all on high alert. And
Speaker 4: I was quizzing Bowen on his Housewives opinions, hot takes,
Speaker 4: and he declared that Ramona Singer was like a KKK.
Speaker 3: Race white white supremacist, right, And with that George Floyd context,
Speaker 3: I feel like those words were being thrown around a lot.
Speaker 1: Listen. Yeah, no, it's fine. Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: We wound up editing it out of the course because
Speaker 4: of it was right after George Floyd and everything was
Speaker 4: so electric. Ye, we just didn't need the narrative to
Speaker 4: be expressed. And then what was I saying to that?
Speaker 4: And so we cut it out, and I think you
Speaker 4: tweeted when the episode airs, they cut out me saying
Speaker 4: you know whatever, And I think you might have tweeted
Speaker 4: one other thing and I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 4: But so, yeah, we were a little salty about it
Speaker 4: because we were also kind of trying to protect you
Speaker 4: and her and whatever and just trying to put something
Speaker 4: in the thing. So then you said on the pod
Speaker 4: at some point you thought you were banned, and then
Speaker 4: that got picked up. I think maybe you were on pause.
Speaker 3: I say, we saw Durinda at the out one hundred event.
Speaker 1: Oh but and this is not this is just her.
Speaker 3: She kept she kept bringing that, She kept using that
Speaker 3: phrase people, I'm on pause, I'm on pause, I'm on pose.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so, like this is just
Speaker 1: a litimate girl Sade.
Speaker 4: Glanville saying you were fired Like that was so, I
Speaker 4: mean ultimate girl. It was my absolute fantasy and I
Speaker 4: absolutely loved it calling those women and getting to tell yeah,
Speaker 4: it was so great. I called Brandy Glanville. She's like,
Speaker 4: what did I do? I go, Brandy, going.
Speaker 1: To offer you a job?
Speaker 4: She's like, what it was so happy. Anyway, that's the
Speaker 4: backstory with Bowen.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Yes, I want to apologize.
Speaker 4: You already did nothing. It was in the context of
Speaker 4: that moment, you know what I mean totally yes, it
Speaker 4: was just an electric moment.
Speaker 3: Of course, and I just it's that thing where you go, oh,
Speaker 3: I might have like completely alienated myself from this thing.
Speaker 1: That I love.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, oh, you know, sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's and it's nobody's fault, and like you would have
Speaker 3: gotten a call from Ramona, and honestly, I was.
Speaker 4: It would have been I think getting a call from
Speaker 4: Ramona would have been the least because it maybe you know,
Speaker 4: it probably would have been picked up all over it
Speaker 4: just at that moment in time. Of course, it was
Speaker 4: just the moment.
Speaker 2: Well, this all being said, Romona was absolutely brutal ones
Speaker 2: And I also think, like it's funny because you talk
Speaker 2: about the last season of New York, and I want
Speaker 2: to ask you about the new seas.
Speaker 4: You see in the book, the evolution of that plan,
Speaker 4: and yes, and so I always felt watching that last
Speaker 4: season of Ronnie, which I thought actually started strongly people
Speaker 4: give it credit or I remember when the first episode
Speaker 4: came on, I was like, Oh, thank god, these are
Speaker 4: the funniest one.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. And then I think, like, when you
Speaker 2: have the five of them and it was only five
Speaker 2: of them together and it's people as varying as Leah
Speaker 2: and Ebony and Lou and Sonya and Ramona, it's like
Speaker 2: if all you have is really to sit with each
Speaker 2: other because you can't talk to anyone during COVID, and
Speaker 2: you're all so not even just disparate on the issues
Speaker 2: you like, ideologically in terms of like the level of
Speaker 2: capability to discuss the issues, you're never gonna get there.
Speaker 2: I always felt like I would have loved to have
Speaker 2: seen more of a chance to bond with women that
Speaker 2: were like minded, because while I think of the conflict,
Speaker 2: but now it's like, you know, we've moved on and
Speaker 2: we have the new women, which I'm like, really.
Speaker 4: Because they're friends, because they are friends. Also, you know,
Speaker 4: I want to say that that was rough. That season
Speaker 4: got so much heat and people were so upset about
Speaker 4: exactly I love that show, like I guess, yes, you know,
Speaker 4: but we were at a real fork in the road
Speaker 4: with Ronnie and there was there was a lot going
Speaker 4: on and it was really unclear how to proceed, and I,
Speaker 4: you know, look, I just thought that was the best
Speaker 4: plan to do a legacy and do a brand new Rony.
Speaker 4: And the thing about the brand new Rony and I
Speaker 4: love it and it's new. It's a new show, and
Speaker 4: it's so I think it's gonna be I just want
Speaker 4: people to watch it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to watch it. It's and not think about.
Speaker 4: But where's Sonya and where's the you know, it's like,
Speaker 4: it's a totally different show. Now there will be Roney Legacy.
Speaker 4: There will be good news coming out about that. Also,
Speaker 4: I want to say.
Speaker 1: You guys, welcome to Crappy Lake.
Speaker 4: And you guys, I've only seen four episodes it is.
Speaker 4: I watched them all. I have nothing to do with
Speaker 4: the show. I didn't develop it, I have nothing to
Speaker 4: do with it. I have no stake in the game
Speaker 4: except that I love these women. It is like the
Speaker 4: simple life. It's the menopausal simple life, okay, and they
Speaker 4: are every moment is giveable, the ship coming out of
Speaker 4: both of their mouths, and I don't want to betray
Speaker 4: it is a comedy like no other. I called them
Speaker 4: all the next day. I was like, I'm blown away
Speaker 4: my mind. It is spectacular. So you will get some
Speaker 4: of the fun of Ronny from those two and it's
Speaker 4: small and I think we're.
Speaker 1: Good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I honestly when when that press release came out about
Speaker 3: the decision, but right by the way, I think I
Speaker 3: even texted like the group chat that day and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, Andy's a genius, Like this is a
Speaker 3: genius thing, and it's so funny to hear like the
Speaker 3: housewives find out the same time as everyone else.
Speaker 1: We had to well that was in the book.
Speaker 4: I talked about that we had to let all of
Speaker 4: the Roney women know, like one minute before we divided
Speaker 4: and conquered and we're like texting them. And the night before,
Speaker 4: Lou had been on Watch What Happens Live and in
Speaker 4: the middle in a commercial break, she was like, so,
Speaker 4: what's happening with the show, darl We need to talk
Speaker 4: like and I was like, Okay, let's talk tomorrow at
Speaker 4: two because I knew that at two o five the
Speaker 4: thing was Kay.
Speaker 1: I was like, little does she though we do have
Speaker 1: news here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the Roney cast is they are the biggest leakers.
Speaker 4: And that's what happened with the Roney Legacy contracts. It
Speaker 4: was like they were all leaking shit about the thing,
Speaker 4: and then we wound up pulling the d.
Speaker 1: We were like, you know what, we can't do this, like.
Speaker 2: You're gonna laugh. We were in Miami for New Year's
Speaker 2: which is why we couldn't join. I wanted to do
Speaker 2: on with it, which would have been a blast, but
Speaker 2: we had plans to go to Miami and we were
Speaker 2: on vacation. And who was there but Ali's Aaron right
Speaker 2: in a sea of game men, like it's a sea
Speaker 2: of gay men.
Speaker 3: Her husband or something. I don't know, my friend. I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe if from a guy that she was with,
Speaker 3: like a straight guy. Think so I think she was
Speaker 3: there with the header.
Speaker 2: She It was just very funny and so we were
Speaker 2: talking to her and I was I was like, what's
Speaker 2: going on with Legacy? And she's like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: they got to offer Bravo money up he cock money,
Speaker 2: and I almost wanted.
Speaker 1: To tell her like, don't push that. Take what they're
Speaker 1: going to offer.
Speaker 2: But I was, of course in Miami and on substances,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't get into it with aliment. But I
Speaker 2: remember going to Crosside and being like, oh, they're going
Speaker 2: to fuck that up.
Speaker 4: Up.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Well anyway, like wait, vander Pump, vander Pump. Okay, So
Speaker 2: in what's going on with all of this? Because I
Speaker 2: think this is the craziest ship that's ever happened on Bravo.
Speaker 2: Maybe we have Sandoval here and Ariana, So when you
Speaker 2: are thinking of them as people in your life that
Speaker 2: you've known now for over ten years, like when you
Speaker 2: hear this has happened, what is the process? Is it like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this show is about to explode? Or
Speaker 2: is it initially like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like? Who do you techt?
Speaker 4: My initial the executive producer texted me the morning after
Speaker 4: the famous Sena and Raquel appearance on Watch What Happens.
Speaker 1: Live, which is also surreal. It happened that night.
Speaker 4: I had the Tom Tom sweatshirt in my home and
Speaker 4: he texted and said, you will never believe but this
Speaker 4: all came out last night.
Speaker 1: I was like what And I called him.
Speaker 4: And I called Alex Basket and I said and I
Speaker 4: was like, where are the camera? But my first reaction
Speaker 4: was I couldn't believe it and where the camera?
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? How are we covering this?
Speaker 4: And they were and that was my first reaction, and
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, who's booked on watch What Happens
Speaker 4: Live next week?
Speaker 1: And we were gonna pull I can't remember.
Speaker 4: What it was, but I was like, we need a
Speaker 4: pump person and we need to be live, and then
Speaker 4: it was we had been toying with having Jackson and
Speaker 4: so and then we were like, oh my god, Jacks
Speaker 4: would be so great to comment.
Speaker 1: And then we said, you know what, he's not the.
Speaker 4: First one we want to hear from. So then we
Speaker 4: called vander Pump and said come on. And it was
Speaker 4: really good that she was on. She was the first voice.
Speaker 1: She seemed like the president.
Speaker 4: She did it really they were all die yes, and
Speaker 4: she also was very good at She and I talked
Speaker 4: beforehand and I said, I think we need to kind
Speaker 4: of let the steam out of everybody because I was
Speaker 4: worried because these are real people and I was just
Speaker 4: making sure, like have we offered them the show a psychologists?
Speaker 1: Are we you know what I mean? Like, how is
Speaker 1: their mental health?
Speaker 4: Because this is not only going on in their lives,
Speaker 4: but fans are coming for them with like torchins, and
Speaker 4: so you do have to think about that. And you know,
Speaker 4: Santoval's from Saint Louis, my hometown, so I always had
Speaker 4: this vibe with him. Yeah, and people were like why
Speaker 4: do you And by the way, I follow him on Instagram.
Speaker 4: He's from Saint Louis and everyone was like, why are
Speaker 4: you still following him? And I was like, if I
Speaker 4: unfollow him, then it becomes a story. And it's like
Speaker 4: on page six hen followed. So it's like, just calm down.
Speaker 3: Did you hear about the show on Monday? Yeah, bummer
Speaker 3: or just a bummer that it seemed some messn L
Speaker 3: people went right?
Speaker 4: Did he changed the lyrics or was it a bummer
Speaker 4: that a lot of people were.
Speaker 3: There from the accounts that were getting or that it
Speaker 3: was sparsely attended? Oh it was And then the people
Speaker 3: who were there were there like shouting.
Speaker 2: And here's my thing is it's like I'm fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty on that because it's like people becauseever they want,
Speaker 2: if they want to go. But my thing is that
Speaker 2: I'm sure should happen is that he should cancel the
Speaker 2: shore and that to me he speaks that speaks to
Speaker 2: me to a larger Tom Sandoval thing. And I always
Speaker 2: liked Sandaval and what I saw of him. I think
Speaker 2: that he needs to really assess the fact and realize
Speaker 2: the fact that he is in our assist and that
Speaker 2: he has tendencies that keep putting them out.
Speaker 4: But by the way, Vanderbumper rules is a stupot full
Speaker 4: of narciss But I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if textbook like the actual definition of me.
Speaker 1: Get into that.
Speaker 4: Almost at every Housewives reunion, someone says you're a narcissist,
Speaker 4: and I say, we're all narcissists. The cameras are there
Speaker 4: and we're in front of that's not And then someone
Speaker 4: says this is the definition. I'm like, oh, you're right,
Speaker 4: Like Donald Trump is a narcissist, and.
Speaker 1: I think that this is part of what maybe you're saying.
Speaker 1: Also he's not for sure.
Speaker 4: But also conversely, what I always say to housewives who
Speaker 4: are in the middle of something where people are really
Speaker 4: mad at them, I always say, get off Twitter, because
Speaker 4: this doesn't exist outside of Twitter, because when you're on
Speaker 4: the street and you're at your most hated, I guarantee
Speaker 4: people are trying to come up to you and.
Speaker 1: Talk to you.
Speaker 4: Now, I don't know what people are saying to Tom Sandoval,
Speaker 4: but like I also, and this is in the book,
Speaker 4: I hated it that Lisa Rinna got booed at Bravocan.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys, she showed up, you know, and
Speaker 4: so I just thought that was I don't like that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, yeah, I mean I think that's what
Speaker 2: kind of makes it like the stand in for the
Speaker 2: soap an ugly way kind of because we're invested in
Speaker 2: the minutia of their lives, and then when someone does
Speaker 2: something villainous, because every show needs one, they occupy an
Speaker 2: actual villain space in our minds, and then they are real.
Speaker 1: Ultimately it's not Erica Kaine, yes, but it's also.
Speaker 3: Doing this thing where like the water cooler moment gets
Speaker 3: split into two and it works at like what's on
Speaker 3: the show with airing and what's like happening at the
Speaker 3: concurrently in real life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on social media, which has to be a
Speaker 2: very weird thing to deal with. It's like I remember
Speaker 2: watching the Beverly Hills reunion, and it felt like we
Speaker 2: had to talk about so many things that happen in
Speaker 2: social media, and it's almost like they don't really have
Speaker 2: answers because it's also like you get the sense that
Speaker 2: not every woman on these shows necessarily knows how to
Speaker 2: do or handle social media, like the Diana Jenkins of
Speaker 2: it all like that, But Diana Garcel thing was just
Speaker 2: so frustrated to watch because it was just like, I
Speaker 2: don't think you can even not literally but not no,
Speaker 2: you're not speaking the same language here, and so that
Speaker 2: made it frustrating. But anyway, we can't wait to see
Speaker 2: the It's just surreal to watch these these scenes of
Speaker 2: Arianna so fervently like go in for her friends, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. She's she's such a good person
Speaker 2: and she rides so hard for Tom and Raquel, and
Speaker 2: to watch them just lie to her face. It's like
Speaker 2: with Tom Sandival, it just has to be narcissism and
Speaker 2: he just can't necessarily like get out of his own way.
Speaker 1: And I think Raquel, you know, she just she's just
Speaker 1: lost styleless. She just needs she needs to assess. But
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is coming. Is she she.
Speaker 3: Posted a photo of her like in front of some
Speaker 3: beautiful castle, Scottish castle.
Speaker 1: I'm not happy that she's at the castle.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 2: So Andy, We're going to ask you the central question
Speaker 2: that we asked every guest that roses through our studio
Speaker 2: here at last. Culture is thus and that is what
Speaker 2: is the culture that made you say culture is for me?
Speaker 2: This is a formative pop culture that made Andy Cohen,
Speaker 2: Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1: All my children, Yes, I know all my children.
Speaker 4: I was on Live with Kelly and Mark yesterday and
Speaker 4: Ken Jennilliam, Haley Matteo. I played against them in and
Speaker 4: All my Children Jeopardy. All the whole board was on
Speaker 4: my time. I cleaned up. I won so heartily.
Speaker 1: Who was jennif from another planet? I know totally. I'm
Speaker 1: like the Glamorama.
Speaker 4: Who is Myrtle Farga and Grasp?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Literally, I was wild and I was obsessed with that show.
Speaker 1: That was my gateway and I feel like it.
Speaker 4: Has informed everything about how I approached the Housewives. When
Speaker 4: we were developing The Housewives of Orange County, I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: they all go to the same tennis club. Okay, so
Speaker 4: this is local life, like in Pine Valley. They all
Speaker 4: went to the chateau. They all did this, and I
Speaker 4: found what I love about Orange County. I always refer
Speaker 4: to it as heritage storytelling. I think I maybe made
Speaker 4: it up, and it's just that our vault on Orange
Speaker 4: County is a seventeen year vault. So when Tamra says
Speaker 4: this coming season, which is a return.
Speaker 1: To form for Orange County, by the way.
Speaker 4: But when she says, you know, Ryan's had a rough time,
Speaker 4: we can flashback fifteen years to Ryan and his stepdad
Speaker 4: fighting and you understand. So like you know, on all
Speaker 4: my children, they had flashbacks going back twenty years when
Speaker 4: I married you, when I said, whatever, the flashbacks the
Speaker 4: returning characters give me Lori Waring stepping in in season
Speaker 4: ten and activating Vicky all over again because she married
Speaker 4: the rich guy.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: And I think that the housewives are the modern soap
Speaker 4: obray and I think that I always say when we
Speaker 4: part ways with a housewife, I always say, you will
Speaker 4: always be a housewife, You'll always be in this community,
Speaker 4: and we will call you back at the right moment.
Speaker 4: I promise you may think it's over right now, but
Speaker 4: we will bring you back into the game at some point,
Speaker 4: and it's I think it's cool for the viewers. I
Speaker 4: would love it on all my children. When Nina came
Speaker 4: back for a week for a wedding whatever it is.
Speaker 2: It could be like Kendall yes, Hand's daughter, Yes, and
Speaker 2: leave Sarah Michelle Geller and I'm back and someone else Esguel.
Speaker 2: But it's just so funny. We were in Disney World
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago and we were walking past.
Speaker 1: Guys have so much fun.
Speaker 3: I mean not You're literally going to Miami and talking
Speaker 3: about like the pool at the fucking what is it?
Speaker 1: Like Delana the Standard.
Speaker 4: I know, and I know, I listen, I have I
Speaker 4: have a lot of fun. I mean I now have
Speaker 4: two kids, so I trust me I have My fun
Speaker 4: is different.
Speaker 3: But it seems like he's bounced it so well, just
Speaker 3: wing from the book like oh so funny to read
Speaker 3: like went to Planet Pride.
Speaker 1: It was fun and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I left some stuff out of that engine.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm sure I think it's an entry. That evening
Speaker 2: is an entry. We all are spotty on yeah right.
Speaker 3: I got to say when Gallantis went on, I was
Speaker 3: on another planet.
Speaker 1: I think I was too.
Speaker 2: Well, we were walking in Disney World and there was
Speaker 2: a huge picture of Kelly and Mark, and every time
Speaker 2: I see them, I just think Kelly and Mattilla, And
Speaker 2: then I think, you're such close friends with Kelly and
Speaker 2: such a fan of all my children. Were you a
Speaker 2: friend of hers when she started on the show or
Speaker 2: was that?
Speaker 4: Like? I met her when she was off the show,
Speaker 4: and I had been such a big fan of hers,
Speaker 4: and I remember when she was trying out for the
Speaker 4: Kathy Lee replacement, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: And the first time I met her, I was a
Speaker 4: producer at CBS News. She was in the lobby of
Speaker 4: CBS on West fifty seventh Street waiting for someone something,
Speaker 4: and the Daytime Emmys had just happened and she had
Speaker 4: just lost to Heather Tom, who played Victoria.
Speaker 1: Newman on Young and the Restless.
Speaker 4: And I went up to her and I was like,
Speaker 4: first of all, you have to get to Kathy, and
Speaker 4: second of all, I hate that Heather Tom is a bet.
Speaker 4: She didn't deserve any word like I went crazy, and
Speaker 4: Kelly's like, hey guy, anyway. So then I saw her
Speaker 4: years later at Bryant Gumbele's Christmas party.
Speaker 1: It was fourteen years ago.
Speaker 4: We became fifteen, and I was like just licking her
Speaker 4: all over and Mark, and then we became friends, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I cannot believe I'm friends with these guys.
Speaker 2: Like that picture of them together, They're just glowing and shining,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, who would ever doubt that this is
Speaker 2: exactly what the show needs to do?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And Mark is so so totally hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is so brutal, and like they are obviously
Speaker 2: Harry Jack right now, I would bet. And what I
Speaker 2: love about them is they're so obviously so into each
Speaker 2: other when they have banter all the time.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, you know what I love about them.
Speaker 1: They fuck like bunnies, Like they really do. They just do.
Speaker 4: And they've been together for it and they talk a
Speaker 4: long time and they talk about it and we talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Yeah, I love You were saying that
Speaker 3: while we were walking past them, you were like, they're
Speaker 3: so hornyny f Yeah, they are free.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things about them.
Speaker 2: And I remember I remember like being a little kid,
Speaker 2: like when my mother, I think I'd be homesick from
Speaker 2: school at some point, and like my mother would have
Speaker 2: All My Children on, and I remember there would be
Speaker 2: like steamy scenes between like Helly and Matteo. Those might
Speaker 2: have been like formative for me, all right, when I
Speaker 2: was like a little kid, didn't you also watch All
Speaker 2: My Children?
Speaker 3: It was one of the only English language shows that
Speaker 3: my mom would watch Wow in Montreal. We would get
Speaker 3: it in Canada, and like when we moved to America,
Speaker 3: like she would be like, I can hear her in
Speaker 3: her accent saying, all my children I.
Speaker 4: Have a fetish for. Basically, well, here's the thing. If
Speaker 4: I had to pick a category of porn, like early eighties,
Speaker 4: no just early eighties, the hairdoos and their bodies, and
Speaker 4: those guys on the soaps would.
Speaker 1: Wear Don diamont on Young and.
Speaker 4: The Restless, Michael Corbett on Young and the Restless, and they.
Speaker 2: From General Hospital. That's his name, Maurice Spur. I was
Speaker 2: never a big more e Spur, but I do. They
Speaker 2: would all wear speedos all the time.
Speaker 4: And that's where my speedo thing actually.
Speaker 1: Formative for all of us. Formative the soap.
Speaker 3: My blind spot is for all their soaks except Passions.
Speaker 4: Passion it was huge. Passions was a sci fi so
Speaker 4: it was it was keys. See.
Speaker 1: I was never a big NBC.
Speaker 2: So my mother had on the ABC ones because it
Speaker 2: was it all spoke to each other, like you could
Speaker 2: see the cross over between General and.
Speaker 1: All my children Valley.
Speaker 2: I just remember Eric Kane was like the biggest celebrity
Speaker 2: in our home, Erica Cannon, Drean Buffett, which is how
Speaker 2: I came to be.
Speaker 1: You're coming to the buffets with me? I would love you?
Speaker 1: Are you are? You have to let me know, like
Speaker 1: when you're coming to Hampton's and I'm gonna, I mean,
Speaker 1: that might be the reason I go to the hand.
Speaker 4: You know my Susan Lucci's story, No, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: it to you very quickly. It's in my first book,
Speaker 4: Most Talkative Stories from the front Lines of Pop Culture,
Speaker 4: which is my memoir.
Speaker 2: Do you usually have a brand that you sell like
Speaker 2: that's really am I.
Speaker 1: Usually super schilly? You know? I am sorry anyway? Love it.
Speaker 4: I am such a shill. I will drop any name.
Speaker 4: I'm such a shell. But what I love it. I'm
Speaker 4: waiting one day to like let my vault open because
Speaker 4: it's doors. But we're picking things up.
Speaker 1: A you probably have crazy.
Speaker 4: Shit, but you know what you I have a book
Speaker 4: in print, and I was trying a few years ago
Speaker 4: to get eighty to.
Speaker 1: Do a diary. I was like, I would love to know.
Speaker 4: She's so smart and funny and her observations are so good,
Speaker 4: such a good writer. And I was like, the diary
Speaker 4: format is, which is what my new book love. I
Speaker 4: love the diary format and it's inspired by the Andy
Speaker 4: Warhol diaries, which I loved when I was twenty, and
Speaker 4: I was like that came out and I was like,
Speaker 4: this is everything to me.
Speaker 1: But it is a license to drop names and talk
Speaker 1: about who you ran into and where you went, and
Speaker 1: it's like a dishy kibbetsy thing. I digress.
Speaker 4: I was in a newswriting and reporting class at Boston University.
Speaker 4: The assignment was interview a famous person. They said, shoot
Speaker 4: for the stars. I wrote letters to Sam Donaldson's publicist
Speaker 4: and Susan Lucci's publicist. I wrote, must have been the
Speaker 4: gayest letter to Susan Luci's publicist. Long story short. The
Speaker 4: publicist said, Susan will do this with you. I flew
Speaker 4: to New York. She was my first celebrity I ever met,
Speaker 4: and you need to know she was like my Madonna.
Speaker 4: Everything my first diva. Really, I mean Diana Ross was
Speaker 4: my first email, my first TV diva. She was everything.
Speaker 4: Flew to New York. She came out of the double
Speaker 4: doors at all my children. I was told to go
Speaker 4: in the lobby, miss Susan Lucci. You have a guest
Speaker 4: in the lobby. I'm like, they're just Paige Susan Lucci.
Speaker 4: She's Susan Lucci. Double doors, open, full length fur coat,
Speaker 4: red knit dressed, red, huge hoop earrings, huge mane of
Speaker 4: eighties hair, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Oh you must be Andrew. I hope you like Mexican
Speaker 1: food because I'm taking you out to lunch. And there
Speaker 1: began a whole relationship and we are still. We are
Speaker 1: still really. Yes, she's a legend. A legend, I mean
Speaker 1: Murka Kane.
Speaker 2: Is the the soap she rus means.
Speaker 1: Can we call her a villain?
Speaker 4: She was? She has was very self centered. The twoth
Speaker 4: of the matter is she did some really mean shit.
Speaker 4: And during August, when I was on not a vacation
Speaker 4: with my kids because that doesn't exist, a trip with
Speaker 4: my kids in the Hampton's for three weeks, which just
Speaker 4: turned out.
Speaker 1: To be misery.
Speaker 4: I was going to bed every night, at like nine
Speaker 4: at night, I discovered there is a treasure trove Why
Speaker 4: I ever doubted it would exist on YouTube of eighties
Speaker 4: episodes in sequence of all my children and they they're
Speaker 4: all there, And I was watching watching Lucci's scenes. She's
Speaker 4: so good, and yeah she was. She was a villain.
Speaker 1: She was a bit.
Speaker 4: She was very self centered and said very nasty thing.
Speaker 4: She was on the show for what fifty years like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, so she had I guess that character had
Speaker 4: to like grow and change. It was a sadday. How
Speaker 4: did you get the number for the publicer?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I think I called
Speaker 1: the ABC studio. I have no idea. Yeah, Jay Molford
Speaker 1: was the publisher the granularity of detail.
Speaker 4: I remember every moment, and I have the entire interaction
Speaker 4: with Lucci one hour on a cassette tape that I've changed.
Speaker 4: I have it all and once she was on my
Speaker 4: radio show and I played excerpts of it. It's so
Speaker 4: painful for me to listen to because I'm interrupting her
Speaker 4: at every second. I am gayer than any human being
Speaker 4: has ever been.
Speaker 1: But she she just went with it.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I bet it's like hugely fun especially
Speaker 2: at that time, like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: where it feels like their relationships to fans was different,
Speaker 2: like nowadays it's like not happening that someone even gets contact.
Speaker 2: Now you could DM them, but that's like it comes
Speaker 2: to the whole and.
Speaker 1: Say, come on my YouTube thing on zoom, like wow,
Speaker 1: doctor Erica Kane, I guess I love it.
Speaker 2: I mean we DMed wendyof live while doing an episode
Speaker 2: of and.
Speaker 1: At the end of the episode and then it was
Speaker 1: a live booking. That's amazing. That's funny.
Speaker 3: What's the analog to like Warhol because I mean, like
Speaker 3: I'm sure people in the past have like compared it
Speaker 3: to like the Factory.
Speaker 1: Right, like, oh, that's funny.
Speaker 4: Well, I you know, I've said for years that I
Speaker 4: think war would be painting Housewives at some point or
Speaker 4: doing something. Yes, he was obsessed with making real people famous,
Speaker 4: and I think if you look at especially those early
Speaker 4: Orange County, it was a real sociological time capsule that show.
Speaker 4: And Tom Shales, in his review of season one of
Speaker 4: Orange County, said it was a bad review, but he
Speaker 4: said someday people will look at this as a sociological
Speaker 4: time capsule of the nouveau reach living in a certain
Speaker 4: moment in time in Orange County, and it's true, and
Speaker 4: all their kitchens were the same. Vicky had this big
Speaker 4: piece of like counter art that said Colliente on her
Speaker 4: island in her anyway.
Speaker 3: That's Tom Shale's speaking as like a true historian being yes,
Speaker 3: this is what it's gonna be like. But you talking
Speaker 3: about like the oh you can like cut back to
Speaker 3: something fourteen seventeen years ago. It's like a four D tapestry,
Speaker 3: is yeah, like oh you see it, like yeah, incredible.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite thing about it is that aspect
Speaker 2: and also the because I used to be years ago,
Speaker 2: I used to be that person who used to say
Speaker 2: I'll watch anything. I'm just never watching Housewise, right, I'm
Speaker 2: not maybe kind of that way about the Kardashian right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: My thing is maybe that was a little bit of
Speaker 2: like internalized homophobia or something or like whatever it was.
Speaker 2: But then when I finally started watching it, I remember
Speaker 2: someone suggests it to me that I should start with
Speaker 2: Roney season seven when Bethany comes back. Okay, that was
Speaker 2: a great place to start from me because it was
Speaker 2: like happening in motion. It felt like the contemporary version
Speaker 2: of what it was at the time. And also Bethany
Speaker 2: was Bethany remembering.
Speaker 1: I forgot to text Bethany back. She was, do you
Speaker 1: rapid fire texting me this morning?
Speaker 4: Her texts are like about pow about.
Speaker 2: Anything relevant to our audience that you're texting with Bethany about.
Speaker 4: She texted me saying, I have the perfect cast for
Speaker 4: a legacy series.
Speaker 1: Text me, what do you think it is? Guess? Guess
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: And I was like on the view at the time,
Speaker 2: and speaking of the view of New York, I wanted
Speaker 2: to tell you this.
Speaker 1: I texted you this. I think though there did you
Speaker 1: say it came from me? He said, I didn't because
Speaker 1: I forgot who told me I drank.
Speaker 2: With her in the Bahamas? And right, I remember, what
Speaker 2: does she say when you pitched?
Speaker 4: I said someone, I said, I can't remember who, but
Speaker 4: it was someone of import because I knew it wasn't
Speaker 4: like a.
Speaker 5: I know who.
Speaker 1: Has strong opinions.
Speaker 4: That's what I said, said that you should be on Ronnie,
Speaker 4: and she said those girls.
Speaker 1: Couldn't handle me and that's why.
Speaker 4: But then she said, which is a good And then
Speaker 4: she said something like I'm conflict of her certain.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Here's exactly why it's not true.
Speaker 2: And this, I'm gonna tell you, this internut shell, is
Speaker 2: why she should be a housewife, because here's the thing,
Speaker 2: and you're talking with Bethany, and I almost feel like
Speaker 2: this would be beneficial for her too in a perfect world.
Speaker 2: There was a day on the View where Meghan McCain
Speaker 2: was spouting off about doing her thing.
Speaker 1: And Sonny Bethany comes to.
Speaker 2: Bethany comes up and Sonny goes, you know, she wasn't
Speaker 2: very nice to my kids and Meghan, And then Sonny goes,
Speaker 2: I'll tell the story. We had a house next to
Speaker 2: each other in the Hamptons. Bethany screamed at my kids
Speaker 2: and said to stop making noise at the beach during
Speaker 2: the day. So I walked over there and knocked on
Speaker 2: the door, and I said, if you have a problem,
Speaker 2: you don't scream at my kids, you come to me.
Speaker 2: And then on Watcher happens live beth and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think she's got a drug problem or a drinking
Speaker 2: problem or something. And thus is my point. This Sonny
Speaker 2: was doing Housewives right there.
Speaker 1: She was staying on camera got a very good point.
Speaker 1: And also she would glamour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a professional, she engaged in her own life.
Speaker 4: I have to say the new cast, they are all professionals.
Speaker 4: They have jobs, the Glamour, they have great apartments.
Speaker 1: Well, Jenna Lyons is Jendal Lions giving.
Speaker 4: She's giving, She's fascinating, She's a fascinating character, and she
Speaker 4: drives a lot of story without meaning to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Also the other reason why I think Sonny would be
Speaker 2: greatest because when we did the View in the Bahamas,
Speaker 2: I reve down there and I think it was like
Speaker 2: right after we did our last watch for that life together.
Speaker 2: But we went down there and it was so surreal
Speaker 2: because don't you agree, they were all exactly on game.
Speaker 2: They were all being exactly what you think.
Speaker 4: Yes, by the way they I had a dream that
Speaker 4: I put in the book. I dreamt one night that
Speaker 4: I was executive.
Speaker 1: Producer of the View.
Speaker 4: And I woke up the next morning with all these
Speaker 4: great ideas for the View, and I called a friend
Speaker 4: of mine at ABC who works kind of with the View,
Speaker 4: and I said, look, just I'm giving you these so
Speaker 4: joy today on the View said, so you want to
Speaker 4: be our executive producer and I said yeah, And I said,
Speaker 4: you know, with all do I executive produced The Housewives,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's much different executive producing this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, have you read that book about the View?
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, yeah, it's kind of The Housewives
Speaker 4: as a talk show in a way.
Speaker 2: The only thing I think that separates them is that
Speaker 2: I think the women of the View. And I've gotten
Speaker 2: this from Sonny sometimes when like Megan would talk about it.
Speaker 2: And you know who else really likes the Housewives is
Speaker 2: I think Elisa Farah Griffin.
Speaker 1: Yes, she does.
Speaker 2: And I get the sense that Sonny feels like a
Speaker 2: little superior about it, like, no, I'm not doing that,
Speaker 2: and that is why we need her on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think is like the barrier, the
Speaker 3: self imposed barrier on people who are like that's not
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the most common reason we lose housewives
Speaker 4: who we are excited about. And by the way, we
Speaker 4: failed in integrating Roney.
Speaker 1: That was a horrible fail. Bad tell you about Ebony.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that it took that long, and but what
Speaker 4: you need to know is we had been more every season,
Speaker 4: there were people and that it is the most common
Speaker 4: reason we lose people husbands. At the end, there was
Speaker 4: someone so great that we almost had I think in
Speaker 4: Bethany's either first season back or second as long ago
Speaker 4: as that, we were really on it and trying every season,
Speaker 4: and this amazing person would have been so huge.
Speaker 1: The husband first that I will not appear at all.
Speaker 4: We were trying to negotiate, and then he stopped her
Speaker 4: from doing it. But that is the most common barrier.
Speaker 4: And then secondly, I think for someone like Sonny Austin, look,
Speaker 4: she's one of the stars of the views, she kind
Speaker 4: of doesn't need it.
Speaker 1: She certainly doesn't it.
Speaker 4: If she left the view or if that ended, then
Speaker 4: maybe she might say, oh, I think this could be good,
Speaker 4: could do such.
Speaker 1: It's a nice addition to her. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: But when speaking of the husbands, I just really wanted
Speaker 3: to tell you this because it really educated me. I
Speaker 3: guess is the whole robin thing where I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I thought there was always this carefully calibrated distance between
Speaker 3: like what the housewives want to share about their lives
Speaker 3: and what they don't like, And I thought like that
Speaker 3: was an agreed upon thing like for everyone involved, like
Speaker 3: just whatever you want to share. We won't like bust
Speaker 3: in there like and like force things out of you.
Speaker 3: But like watching that interview on whatchra Happens Live, I
Speaker 3: was like, no, this is this makes total sense, Like
Speaker 3: she had this is her job.
Speaker 4: Well, but especially since the entire season was about the
Speaker 4: women accusing everyone of infidelity and she had gone through it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it would have been so relatable
Speaker 1: if she had.
Speaker 4: Said, you, guys, I don't really want to talk about
Speaker 4: the specifics, but I busted one like dming with someone
Speaker 4: and here's how it affected me. So this is serious,
Speaker 4: what's going on and whatever. Like everyone would have been like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, that was so cool that.
Speaker 1: You share, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a fan perspective that we have. The
Speaker 2: Green Eyed.
Speaker 1: Bandits have flown too close to the sun. I know
Speaker 1: you're very upset.
Speaker 2: It is Andy, No, I'm not. I am very upset,
Speaker 2: but I also I stand with many people. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: just here's what I think. It's fine when you have
Speaker 2: a housewife that is a producer type, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, They're on the ground and they know how
Speaker 2: to get it when they think that makes them invisible
Speaker 2: and they don't have to like participate as well, but.
Speaker 1: It's so conpaticuous it's not even invisible. Well, it's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's sweaty. It's sweaty. It's like sweaty, sweaty.
Speaker 2: It's Giselle thinking, yeah, I know, the producers whatever, I
Speaker 2: can do what I want. What I think is that I.
Speaker 1: Think she thinks she has special sway with the producers.
Speaker 3: I think that she probably sees herself more in like
Speaker 3: on their level than with the rest of.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing about Potomac that you have to remember is
Speaker 1: those are almost all of g yes. So you've got
Speaker 1: four of them, Yeah, Karen, Giselle, Ashley Robin, who have
Speaker 1: been on since day one, since forever, So it's hard
Speaker 1: to put one apart.
Speaker 2: It feels like Potomac has been our favorite tries and
Speaker 2: I think that, Like what's hard is seeing the Wendy
Speaker 2: and Candice get pushed to the point where they won't
Speaker 2: even speak to Wendy. I see that, and that to me,
Speaker 2: would only happen with someone who thought they were better
Speaker 2: than the show, because if you didn't think you were
Speaker 2: better than the show, then you would play with other
Speaker 2: cast members. But Jazelle won't look at Wendy, she won't
Speaker 2: engage with Wendy, she won't tolerate Wendy, she won't allow
Speaker 2: other people to do it. And now it's rubbed off
Speaker 2: on Robin, who I think does sort of like feel
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a lackey to Giselle. I
Speaker 2: know it's like people say that whatever there, they're both
Speaker 2: their own people, but like it feels like not.
Speaker 4: What I will say is that I think you'll be
Speaker 4: surprised by some stuff that's happening right now.
Speaker 2: Field, Okay, okay, we just we ride hard for wind.
Speaker 2: We don't want to see her get ignored.
Speaker 1: I don't either. Yeah, good, there's there's been internal notes.
Speaker 1: See and grab my hand. Can we speak up? When
Speaker 1: we speak up when things happen to happen. All we
Speaker 1: have to do is the fan community is keep making
Speaker 1: our voices her now. And that's with voting. That's with Housewives, Yes,
Speaker 1: voting is the answer.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing about Housewives, though, is the way that
Speaker 2: these women like and it's actually helped me in my life,
Speaker 2: the way they navigate conflict styles.
Speaker 1: I actually, I will be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I used to be the kind of person who would
Speaker 2: not say how say something was bothering me. Watching Housewives,
Speaker 2: I saw people explain why they're feeling a certain way,
Speaker 2: and I said, maybe I'll never act like that, and
Speaker 2: maybe I would act like that. I think it's like
Speaker 2: sometimes it becomes inexplicable why you're on one housewive side
Speaker 2: and don't like another. It's like with Teresa and Melissa.
Speaker 2: I know from growing up in that part of the country.
Speaker 2: I get Melissa. I get her a lot. Teresa triggers
Speaker 2: me because it's everything about people I grew up with
Speaker 2: that I can't.
Speaker 1: Stand you're that woman, I do.
Speaker 4: I think that what's interesting about Teresa and Melissa are
Speaker 4: not interesting. The way they were going at each other
Speaker 4: at the reunion, which will premiere in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: They were doing that thing in fighting where they each
Speaker 4: wanted to have the last word, and it was taking
Speaker 4: it was wasting so much time. It's like, no, you did, no,
Speaker 4: you did. Oh you're ugly, you're ugly, You're ugly. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is you're it was. It was upsetting to me.
Speaker 4: Anderson pointed out to me the other day I was
Speaker 4: in a situation with someone who actually was a guest
Speaker 4: on Watch What Happens Live, and I went in their
Speaker 4: dressing room before the show, and I don't want to
Speaker 4: say it wasn't a confrontation, but I felt like we
Speaker 4: needed to work something out before they came on the show.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like when you came and you
Speaker 4: were like, I feel like I upset you or whatever,
Speaker 4: and we talked it out.
Speaker 1: It was someone that Anderson said.
Speaker 4: I cannot believe that you had that conversation before the show.
Speaker 4: He goes, you have been in the middle of so
Speaker 4: much conflict that you have no problem now right just
Speaker 4: getting to the heart of it and saying, look, we
Speaker 4: need to resolve this issue whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it's even helpful for me.
Speaker 2: I honestly, if you vocalize shit, it does I definitely care.
Speaker 2: I felt like it's given me a way to have
Speaker 2: a model for conflict resolution.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really And you also know how not
Speaker 1: to do it right.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was going to say, and I think this
Speaker 3: is a great thing. I feel like I've noticed this
Speaker 3: trend where I feel like you lose your patience more.
Speaker 3: The threshold is lower now. At reunion, I was.
Speaker 1: Talking about this last night.
Speaker 4: I think I do I think I'm more free. Listen,
Speaker 4: I've been doing raised reunion.
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 4: Seventeen years doing these thousands and thousands of hours for real,
Speaker 4: and so I think that I'm just more comfortable. I
Speaker 4: don't think that it is a good look for me
Speaker 4: to be yelling at women period.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I always wind up apologizing to them ten times, I'm
Speaker 4: so sorry yelled at you. I apologize. Jersey, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry yelled at you. I was upset. Whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't like it. It doesn't make me feel good.
Speaker 4: It's not who I am. It's not the best representation
Speaker 4: of myself. So I think you're right. I have become
Speaker 4: closer to losing my shit.
Speaker 3: But I think it's a way to release the valve
Speaker 3: because you only ever do it when it really gets
Speaker 3: so ca confidence that we have to relieve this.
Speaker 4: But I also will say to the sometimes I'll get
Speaker 4: a cut and I'm just like blasting off at them.
Speaker 4: I'm like, if we're going to keep this in, can
Speaker 4: you show the moment leading up to this so that
Speaker 4: you see, you know that this wasn't just.
Speaker 1: Out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to know that we are in that
Speaker 4: Thunderdome for ten plus hours of this.
Speaker 2: It's intense, especially when it's a conflict such as the
Speaker 2: one with Melissa and Theresa, where it's just entirely too
Speaker 2: at this point, and it feels like every time someone
Speaker 2: is asked about it, I watching What Happens Live or
Speaker 2: even on the cast of Real Housewives of New Jersey,
Speaker 2: everyone's just kind of like, yeah, they shouldn't speak any.
Speaker 1: Right, No, that's how I feel.
Speaker 4: I mean, Teresa is still bringing up shit that happened
Speaker 4: before Melissa came on the show, and they're both litigating.
Speaker 4: And the interesting thing is, I think they're both a
Speaker 4: little right about stuff. I mean, I don't think there's
Speaker 4: a clear side, which is why, by the way, it's
Speaker 4: still kind of interesting, because there's no necessarily right or wrong.
Speaker 3: If you, Matt take your cultural background for lack of
Speaker 3: a better career amount of it, then I guess, like
Speaker 3: objectively you might.
Speaker 2: I would still okay. So if I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: situation objectively and.
Speaker 3: I am, I don't even I agree with you, by
Speaker 3: the way, Like I'm not super keen on Teresa.
Speaker 2: I don't like even to say I'm team Melissa, and
Speaker 2: I think something that gets lost like in the thing
Speaker 2: of like you know, you go and watch what happens
Speaker 2: live and like you want to say something that's fun
Speaker 2: and like, you know, push the show along. And yeah,
Speaker 2: of course I appreciate and get how to do the show.
Speaker 2: But my thing is, it's almost it's like this with
Speaker 2: the Green I advantage to to be honest. Every single
Speaker 2: year I turn on the show, I really try to
Speaker 2: have an open mind, right, and I root for Teresa.
Speaker 2: How could you not watching from season one? How could
Speaker 2: you're not root for Teresa. This is another reason why
Speaker 2: I did. I don't think so, honey Gia, because she's
Speaker 2: like going up for her father, her father who called
Speaker 2: her mother on television. I'm like, this woman has been
Speaker 2: through hell. She went to prison for this man.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean it's Teresa. Does she know what she
Speaker 2: was doing was wrong? No, she wasn't thinking about it.
Speaker 2: She trusted someone, and to see her become this unmoving
Speaker 2: figure that had there's a lot of like negative energy
Speaker 2: around it, and I find Louis to be very negative,
Speaker 2: bad energy, and I don't think it's going in the
Speaker 2: right area. I'm not even looking at Andy as I
Speaker 2: say this, but I did in my conversation with Melissa
Speaker 2: and Joe, they seem worried too, and it's just like
Speaker 2: I'm sad for Teresa. Okay, I understand there's a fan
Speaker 2: base that thinks that you can't have Jersey without Teresa,
Speaker 2: But I would argue that Delores is the star of
Speaker 2: New Jersey right now, and Doris is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite housewives and I enjoy watching her.
Speaker 1: I think Frank needs to get a grip.
Speaker 2: But Frank, I love Frank grip, I feel for I
Speaker 2: like Frank.
Speaker 1: I love Frank, and I do feel for him.
Speaker 2: But also it's like, you can't demand anything of this one.
Speaker 1: She's already given you more than you deserve.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, like in one of the most vulnerable
Speaker 2: moments of her life, but she's raising a newborn.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand with Frankie Jr? Where do I
Speaker 1: stand with Frankie Junior? In terms of what I don't know?
Speaker 1: Like how horny am I?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty horny?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean you see the way I react to like Evan,
Speaker 2: I miss Jackie.
Speaker 1: I love Jackie. She's still obvious.
Speaker 4: I love jack But like, you know what, there's a
Speaker 4: moment in the book where you say she's on the show.
Speaker 1: She was on Watch What Happens Live, and I knew.
Speaker 4: I knew that we were demoting her the next day,
Speaker 4: and I felt so bad because I really like her
Speaker 4: and I find her eating disorder struggle really very honest,
Speaker 4: honest and women, and I helped a lot of women.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was as deep as we've gotten
Speaker 4: into that topic in a serious way, and I just
Speaker 4: thought it was so valuable. And the next time I
Speaker 4: saw her, she said, you know what, I'm gonna be the.
Speaker 1: Best friend that's ever been on that show. She's been
Speaker 1: a great friend. And I always love seeing Evan.
Speaker 3: So going back to the thing where you when a
Speaker 3: housewife leaves and you're like, you will always be a
Speaker 3: part of this, right, I'll bring you back. Is it
Speaker 3: because you're seeing like the total grand expanse of this,
Speaker 3: like and it's just.
Speaker 1: Well, I just know how it works. I just know
Speaker 1: through through the years.
Speaker 4: I mean when when Rinna left, you know, I was like, look,
Speaker 4: I I was saying to her, I hope this is
Speaker 4: a pause, you know, And I think, you know, sometimes look,
Speaker 4: if you're getting booed at Bravo Kan, then it's a
Speaker 4: toxic relationship. You I mean, I don't know if you
Speaker 4: got to this part, but you know that the night
Speaker 4: of the reunion.
Speaker 1: Of Beverly Hills, she texted us all and quit. She
Speaker 1: texted all the p I think that's something no one
Speaker 1: knows that people think.
Speaker 4: That she was but she did. She did quit. Whether
Speaker 4: she still wanted to quit later, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: never discussed it with her again. But I think also
Speaker 4: she saw that day, Wow, this is really heavy, you
Speaker 4: know this, And I.
Speaker 1: Don't think she wants to be the villain. She's really fun.
Speaker 1: I mean she is, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, if you anyway, so I you know,
Speaker 4: I said to her, I hope this is a pause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, that's a worsha too. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I have conflicted feeling is about Portie, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think she started out strong on you GT and
Speaker 1: then by the end I was like, why are you
Speaker 1: aligning with Giselle?
Speaker 4: I just they're good friends from right, Yes, So that's right.
Speaker 3: Yes, And speaking of someone who's been on pause, I
Speaker 3: think there is a pathway back.
Speaker 1: Yes for everyone. By the way, we would come back
Speaker 1: and do the show anytime. I want you to. I mean,
Speaker 1: we want it together.
Speaker 2: We want to come together. I wants to be on
Speaker 2: the Housewife. Who's your dream housewife?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is a good question. Just come
Speaker 1: up with I've gotten We're gonna make it.
Speaker 3: Marissol. I want Marisol solo.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: No, Alexia, fine, yes, I'm not saying that's not a demand.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, so I need to see that's
Speaker 3: your preference.
Speaker 1: Good, okay, good, Well then we need to do that.
Speaker 1: I want beyond with Tamra. I think we have a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's hams Tamara and I would camera
Speaker 2: similar Camra.
Speaker 4: There's a whole sequence in the book about negotiating how
Speaker 4: we were gonna announce Tamra's return, and she was coming
Speaker 4: and watch what Happens Live with Vicki, and we didn't
Speaker 4: want to hurt Vicky's feelings and Tamara get in a
Speaker 4: big fight.
Speaker 1: It's a whole Michigan that happened for me. Tamra, and
Speaker 1: then I would really like to be on with Kyle.
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills is my favorite and Kyle's protagonist to Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: and I love Cott Richards.
Speaker 3: I would love to go on with Taylor. Taylor and
Speaker 3: I would have similar energies. Armstrong, you and Taylor. Arm
Speaker 3: I find her so interesting.
Speaker 1: Is she getting an orange?
Speaker 2: No, she's a friend, I know, but there was rumors
Speaker 2: that she did so well that she got the orange.
Speaker 1: She's a friend.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, everyone, she did not get the orange, but
Speaker 2: probably did a great job.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like, go, I'm not going for the
Speaker 3: obvious choice, and maybe that's working.
Speaker 2: You're going for friends up, yeah, because you want to
Speaker 2: sit in the chair next to Andy.
Speaker 3: I no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not It's just
Speaker 3: it's just like, I'm like, these are people that I'm
Speaker 3: like currently fascinating.
Speaker 4: By the way, if there is a lady and a
Speaker 4: man on watch what happens live the woman all Absolutely
Speaker 4: that's what always happened.
Speaker 2: So yes, do you remember when I was on? I
Speaker 2: think it was we were on together.
Speaker 1: We're together?
Speaker 2: No, when we were on together, the people coming in
Speaker 2: after us was Garcel and Heather right dubro and we
Speaker 2: helped you with the seating arrangement for.
Speaker 4: That, and that was because Heather had seniority, she had
Speaker 4: been on the longest. But original also look at where
Speaker 4: did they sit the last time they were on. And
Speaker 4: then you also look at sometimes of a housewife is
Speaker 4: on with like a big star, you put the star
Speaker 4: next to you. Yeah, okay, And then sometimes like right
Speaker 4: now Vander Pump Rules is on, So tonight Katie Maloney
Speaker 4: is on with Karen Gillen from you know, Vander Pump
Speaker 4: is so hot and they're also superstars. Right now Katie
Speaker 4: Maloney sat next.
Speaker 1: To you know.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing makes me nuts and this should be
Speaker 4: my rant, but it does make me.
Speaker 1: There are two guests. There are only two chairs, so
Speaker 1: there's no A chair and B chair. There's no emotion,
Speaker 1: there's no sect Well no, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, Andy, it doesn't matter who sits in the front chair.
Speaker 2: Then why you're talking about it, Well, because you guys
Speaker 2: brought it up and I'm explains I think it matters. Okay,
Speaker 2: but what about the Reginia seating? We agonize over it.
Speaker 1: And camps it is.
Speaker 4: The people next to me are the people in the
Speaker 4: most conflict, that have been in the most drama. There
Speaker 4: are house sides like Candy who do not want to
Speaker 4: sit next to me because that means they're going to
Speaker 4: be in the hot seat.
Speaker 1: By most of the reunion.
Speaker 4: A lot of times though people say, like for Potomac,
Speaker 4: they all sat down there, like, we don't understand this
Speaker 4: seating arrangement. There are people who you also can't seat
Speaker 4: next to each other because they give each other so much.
Speaker 4: And also you want for camera angles if people if
Speaker 4: you and I are in a dispute and we're sitting
Speaker 4: next to each other, the camera angle is it we're
Speaker 4: just looking at each other the whole time. You want
Speaker 4: them to be looking at each other directly, so you
Speaker 4: put them on opposite couch so it's.
Speaker 2: Less to do with these are the stars of the
Speaker 2: season and more. Okay, okay, I had a different way.
Speaker 2: By the way, vander Pump.
Speaker 4: I think vander Pump sat next to me once on
Speaker 4: on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: I think, huh yeah, yeah, that's a fever dream I
Speaker 1: have as lvp. There used to be there were many
Speaker 1: reunions where we would anticipate that a housewife was going
Speaker 1: to be so mad when they came out and saw
Speaker 1: where they were sitting, and I would sit there and
Speaker 1: kind of watch their reaction and is it oh yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: It's producing on so many micro levels, and that's what's
Speaker 3: like astonishing to me.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, it is what you do. Yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 1: it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be the wea talking, but I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can't even begin to imagine.
Speaker 2: It's like playing chess but with real people. But also
Speaker 2: there's like a filter before you make a move, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like you're not making a
Speaker 2: move for yourself, You're making a move for someone else's.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's your mind.
Speaker 3: It's chess with real people, and you have to like
Speaker 3: like them properly. You have to like design the board
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, Okay, this is I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: This is our sixty second segment that we take every
Speaker 2: episode to rail against something in pop culture that we
Speaker 2: are just not feeling at the moment and we feel
Speaker 2: needs to be dragged to hell. I do have something,
Speaker 2: and I feel like, because didn't get to see the
Speaker 2: light of day on television, it should happen right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, do it. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many as time starts now, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so, honey, giya, And it's not even really
Speaker 2: her fault.
Speaker 1: It's an extension.
Speaker 2: Go with me, please to a few episodes ago on
Speaker 2: Real Housewives in New Jersey when Teresa was sitting with
Speaker 2: her kids and not only encouraging a discussion about Melissa
Speaker 2: and Joe, but involving yet an another one of her
Speaker 2: children in the dynamic to talk on camera about this
Speaker 2: about their family. Cut to Melissa and Joe. What do
Speaker 2: they do to Antonia? They say, please go into the house.
Speaker 2: This is not for you. I'm sorry, but I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. One of those people, and I do
Speaker 2: think so, honey. The other and I don't understand people
Speaker 2: on Twitter who act the way they act on behalf
Speaker 2: of Teresa and she says nothing, and that does not
Speaker 2: get brought up in NTE.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: The fact that I sit next to Melissa and I
Speaker 2: get death threats. It's wild to be Melissa on social
Speaker 2: media is a hellscape.
Speaker 1: And what does Teresa do?
Speaker 2: She says nothing, but she expects Melissa to leave when
Speaker 2: they're at an event and she's uncomfortable. It's bullshit, And
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: That's one minute.
Speaker 3: I've been using this term more often lately, just as
Speaker 3: it's being overused in like the zeitgeist. But it is
Speaker 3: like I think Teresa's affliction is like just thinking she's
Speaker 3: the main character in every situation.
Speaker 2: She is wild And I'm sorry, but look, it's one
Speaker 2: thing to be in a conflict on the show and
Speaker 2: to have a difference of opinion. But if you're going
Speaker 2: to break through the sand and find a little things,
Speaker 2: there's one huge thing, which is that Melissa and her
Speaker 2: family get social media bullied like no one else.
Speaker 1: I would say Jersey, by the way.
Speaker 4: The Jersey Twitter since the beginning, the people what they
Speaker 4: used to say to Caroline Manzo, like, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: been really the the Jersey fans on Twitter from the
Speaker 4: beginning have been really brutal.
Speaker 2: It's well, and I think that's like one thing where
Speaker 2: it's like that doesn't really get brought up on Jersey
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 1: And I actually Joe and Melissa for not going actually
Speaker 1: of course came up on the reunion this well, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's time that it does. Isn't making it in
Speaker 1: the cut.
Speaker 4: I am seeing everything tomorrow, okay, in fact, so I'll
Speaker 4: let you know.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a really tough one. Really tough one.
Speaker 2: Is that's mine and it has less to do with you, Gia.
Speaker 2: It's just that you don't understand I think, and I
Speaker 2: think you will later that this isn't a healthy thing
Speaker 2: for you. And you're getting in a full beat to
Speaker 2: be in confessionals, And can I say something?
Speaker 1: You look stunning.
Speaker 2: This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, And
Speaker 2: he's galvanized and high as fuck, and he's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I'm ready? Are you gonna do the
Speaker 1: one you said? I'm gonna do the one I said?
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 3: This is Bowan yangs I don't think so many as
Speaker 3: time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Gizelle Bryant,
Speaker 3: I mean, you're basically a fucking scullery maide, scouring the
Speaker 3: dirty pots of everyone else's lives when those pots aren't
Speaker 3: even that dirty, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 3: the classe azul thing is like so fucking bored face,
Speaker 3: And this is a person, it's so sad. This is
Speaker 3: a person who like looks at herself in the mirror
Speaker 3: in such a way that like she cannot possibly see
Speaker 3: herself reflected back. She does no sense of who she is,
Speaker 3: and she is she's just bored. She's as simple as
Speaker 3: that logic. She's simple as that logic, Gizelle. I mean,
Speaker 3: it is just talking to fill the silence at certain points.
Speaker 1: It is I don't know. She's a fucking like pimple
Speaker 1: on the backside of this show. I fucking hate.
Speaker 3: Her and I would be so thrilled if she were
Speaker 3: never on my television again. But I know that's not
Speaker 3: gonna happen, so I've accepted that.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Here's the thing. I always have
Speaker 1: said she has stark quality, but I disagree. You don't
Speaker 1: think she has stark wise. I think it's sweaty this.
Speaker 1: We've had this discussion starfore I ever seen.
Speaker 3: I think I think she's at one point was his
Speaker 3: star I have, and then I think she like it
Speaker 3: was slipping from her at some points, very editable. It's
Speaker 3: like that challenge on Survivor when you have to hold
Speaker 3: a position, you have to hold a fucking ore on
Speaker 3: your head for like four hours, you start to wobble
Speaker 3: a bit.
Speaker 1: She's wobbling. She's wobbling.
Speaker 2: I think that she and I always feel like they
Speaker 2: try to humble her and they try to comfort her,
Speaker 2: but she she just like doesn't move or doesn't care,
Speaker 2: and then I'll say the moments and what I really
Speaker 2: like her is she opens up and like I really
Speaker 2: love her with her kids because.
Speaker 1: You can tell.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, I'm like, maybe I would
Speaker 2: like you more if, like I felt like you were
Speaker 2: as authentic with the rest of the limit and with
Speaker 2: the audience as you clearly are with your children, because
Speaker 2: there's something happening behind closed doors when the cameras aren't
Speaker 2: on that like allows you to have this like incredible
Speaker 2: bond with them.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering at what point, Yeah, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: you can probably say nothing about this. Watch next season
Speaker 1: a Potomac if she like, if she goes on a journey,
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled to go on that journey with her.
Speaker 1: Me too, me too? Okay, you ready for mine?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Now, Andy Cohen, you've never gotten to do one. No,
Speaker 2: and there's been a couple of times where like, especially
Speaker 2: live just kidding, I would never do this. Maybe I
Speaker 2: would like when we were on with you, I was like, Andy,
Speaker 2: you do one, and then you would have had to
Speaker 2: live whip one out.
Speaker 1: I know, so to speak. Well, mine is based on
Speaker 1: something that happened earlier in the broadcast. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: this is Andy Cohens.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 2: don't think so honey. I am not high on Watch
Speaker 2: What Happens Live night.
Speaker 4: When the show comes on, people think I'm stone because
Speaker 4: my eyes are.
Speaker 1: Red half the time. I have allergies. I'm a Jew.
Speaker 4: I wear contacts, I have shpilkis with my eyes. I'm
Speaker 4: not funny high. I mean I'm funny off camera high.
Speaker 4: But I would never go on camera high. It would
Speaker 4: be a bad show. I would be in my head,
Speaker 4: it would be poor. I don't do it. I talk
Speaker 4: about it all the time. I would never do it.
Speaker 4: It would be a disservice to Bravo. It would be
Speaker 4: a disservice to you, the viewers, the listeners.
Speaker 1: I do not do it.
Speaker 4: Was there a time on New Year's Eve with Anderson
Speaker 4: where maybe I popped an edible after midnight?
Speaker 1: Yes? I did, Okay, big deal. I would never do
Speaker 1: it on camera. It's not me.
Speaker 4: Maybe Amy Sedaris and I have taken an edible on
Speaker 4: radio and y for our holiday hangout.
Speaker 1: That's it. Unwatched What Happens, I don't think so, Honnie,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I. Oh, that's one minute.
Speaker 3: You do describe in the book taking an edible to
Speaker 3: time it so that right as you go home, you're like,
Speaker 3: it hits.
Speaker 4: During the second commercial break of the show, which means
Speaker 4: there's four minutes left in the show, and then we
Speaker 4: have a very quick after show. I occasionally will take
Speaker 4: my edible and then when the after show is ending,
Speaker 4: or I'm kiddetzing in the control room, I'm like, oh, this.
Speaker 1: Is nice, and I glide away perfect.
Speaker 3: But I also I'm gonna say, is that even so bad?
Speaker 3: But I feel like you're such a professional you would
Speaker 3: never do this. But like, it's not like a hostile thing.
Speaker 1: It's not like a thing. No, at it's a lot
Speaker 1: to manage.
Speaker 4: But also I want to do a good job, and
Speaker 4: I'm working for a big corporation and I respect my
Speaker 4: relationship with them and with the viewers.
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be bad. Now, if
Speaker 1: we did a show.
Speaker 4: We did watch What Happened Live from l A a
Speaker 4: few times and weed was legal in California, and I
Speaker 4: went to the exec cassette Bravo and said, I want
Speaker 4: to take an edible at the beginning of watch What
Speaker 4: Happens Live when we are live on the air and
Speaker 4: watch What Happens Live and it's a host ever done
Speaker 4: an edible on TV? Face, Yes, it would be amazing
Speaker 4: and I and there was some reason why I couldn't
Speaker 4: do it. You know, maybe I'll be able to do it.
Speaker 4: I tried to do it on CNN when they said
Speaker 4: we couldn't drink this year, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take it that. I'm so stupid. Come on.
Speaker 2: Also, not for nothing, but everyone in New York City
Speaker 2: hated Deblasio. What is this person gonna get in trouble?
Speaker 1: Begause?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was as much about my rant
Speaker 4: on de Blasio as much as it seems like CNN
Speaker 4: is just trying to rain every bit of personality and
Speaker 4: so I don't.
Speaker 1: Know that's the dounlemit of it all.
Speaker 3: It's like they're like, we can't, like everyone needs to
Speaker 3: be like in the middle, like literally that behaviorally politically.
Speaker 3: I hope we can drink this year, yeah, because I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: I hope you're both okay with me. I feel like
Speaker 3: I've managed it okay.
Speaker 1: Amazing, but it.
Speaker 4: Made me think of it because when you said, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm a little high whatever, and I was thinking because
Speaker 4: I was trying to think what mine was going to be,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, this is perfect because everyone.
Speaker 1: Always thinks I'm high, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: You were brilliant. You're also getting ship in your ears. Yes,
Speaker 3: your brain is like semi scrambled.
Speaker 2: No matter what we you know, when we do this
Speaker 2: high when we're just by ourselves, Yeah, when we just
Speaker 2: have episodes, that's just Bowen and I and I'm sure
Speaker 2: like incredibly big and it's a completely different vibe.
Speaker 1: But like we would never it's not languid when when
Speaker 1: we're both high, it's not like we're like slow, right, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's sharp and we're doing handstands.
Speaker 2: But speaking of incredibly brilliant and sharp and doing handstands,
Speaker 2: you stunt on everybody in this goddamn business.
Speaker 1: True, and you're the best in the biz, and we
Speaker 1: do the best in the viz. One. Wow, this is
Speaker 1: such a huge day for us that you can't You
Speaker 1: guys are so nice. Maybe for reading the book. I
Speaker 1: really appreciated. Now, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: This has been really fun.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, this is just the beginning, and this
Speaker 2: is Last Coach, and we end every episode with a song.
Speaker 2: Miss really think complain refers to conversation.
Speaker 1: Just mean that's not what you want. Love you girl.
Speaker 1: I don't do back and forth. I wanted on the
Speaker 1: plank on the plane. I want to hear the rest
Speaker 1: of that. You can stream deep space, the little position.
Speaker 1: My god, that is so funny. Bye Bye,