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Speaker 1: Welcome back to look at Dora Radio. Welcome to season

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Speaker 1: We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to bring you Quarantine Confidential,

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Speaker 1: a special pandemic broadcast about our experiences with quarantine and

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Speaker 1: this mini series is to archive our experiences during this

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Speaker 1: We are extremely honored and excited to bring you yet

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Speaker 1: another special edition of Quarantine Confidential. The last time we

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Speaker 1: This is definitely a historic moment um. This is nationwide.

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Speaker 1: This is global. There are uprisings as a result of

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Speaker 1: police officers in Minnesota, in Minneapolis specifically, and so we're

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Speaker 1: dedicating this episode to him and to all the folks,

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Speaker 1: all the black folks that have been murdered by the

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Speaker 1: all some resources for folks that are trying to get involved,

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Speaker 1: So the first remembering Tony McDade, a black transman who

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Speaker 1: Five steps latin X can take to combat anti blackness.

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Speaker 1: So again, we'll go ahead and post these resources later

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Speaker 1: anti blackness. We know that it affects our own community members,

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Speaker 1: the black Latinas, black Black latin X folks that are

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Speaker 1: and my mom is a teacher, and I have you know,

431
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: aunties that are teachers as well, So there's a lot

432
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: of like educators in the family of elementary school aged kids.

433
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: And the training and the dialogue is not there, you know.

434
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: It is just so painfully absent at all. It's just

435
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: not there. And and but then I think back to

436
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: my own education and I remember it not being there,

437
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, And it's perpetuated in this way. So I

438
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: feel almost like it things have to be so blatant, right, um,

439
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: and heavily documented so that they can't be ignored. And

440
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to the social media point

441
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: that you made earlier. The news that's on broadcast on

442
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: television and the media is not giving us the fair

443
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: the full picture. But we can go to our Twitter

444
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: timeline and see directly from somebody who was there what

445
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: exactly happened. UM. And I know for me it's been transformative, UM.

446
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: And I wonder for you how you balance receiving the

447
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: news in that way, but also like being fatigued or

448
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: protecting yourself, um, you know, and making sure that it's

449
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: not negatively impacting you beyond beyond what it needs to. Yes,

450
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: I've actually taken this morning. This is very very very

451
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: pertinent because I took this morning to unplug. I feel

452
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: like I at this point, we are being inundated with

453
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: so much information. I had to actually go as far

454
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: as to sit down and make a list of Okay,

455
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: where am I getting my information from? Okay, I want

456
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: to get this type of information from Twitter, I want

457
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: to get this type of information for um, say, Instagram.

458
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I want to get this type of information from NPR,

459
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: you know. And I even have like my go to

460
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: places I want to go. I want to listen to

461
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: this press briefing at this time. So therefore, let me

462
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: guard my energy for the next hour so that I

463
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: can listen to this press briefing and be prepared for

464
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: any silliness that might be said during it, you know,

465
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: so that I can process it afterwards and have the

466
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: space to unpack that end respond in a way that

467
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: is like necessary. And so I think that at the

468
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: beginning of all of this, I just found myself constantly scrolling,

469
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: constantly consuming I need to know every little thing that's

470
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: going on. What what what? What? What What? And then I

471
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: got to a point where ultimately I had to say,

472
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I need to know what information I am looking for,

473
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: right and therefore I go and seek that out. And

474
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: I think about our students right now, specifically and to

475
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: your point about the media portraying what's happening in one

476
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: way versus what we're actually seeing with our own eyes

477
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: on Facebook live or Instagram live or Twitter. Um, I

478
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: think the something else that I want to make sure

479
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I explicitly name is that part of whiteness is that

480
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: you are so committed to the establishment that you don't

481
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: like to question it because the question the establishment means

482
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: to question my power, right, And ultimately, schools need to

483
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: teach our students how to question what they consume. There's

484
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yep, you can listen to Carrie Miller and

485
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: NPR and she could use language that is hyperbolic. But

486
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: if you don't know, let me question that language. Let

487
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: me question her perception of that, let me percept let

488
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: me question the way that that was articulated and challenge it,

489
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Like if you don't feel comfortable, you're taught to do

490
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: that with the establishment and talked to do that. With

491
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: the system, it becomes that much harder for you to

492
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: do it, and you have to kind of discover it

493
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the hard way that many of us had to write,

494
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: like we have to really really work, I think to

495
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: feel comfortable like challenging the system, and I think that

496
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: ultimately it's like school's responsibilities to give kids safe spaces

497
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: to do that. But I've had to just say for

498
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: the next two hours, I'm unplugging and putting myself on

499
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: airplane mode, and then I will turn it back off

500
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: and re and re engage and want to go out

501
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: onto the street and walk around and see for myself.

502
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to connect with people who are on the ground.

503
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go on the ground and be

504
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: a member of it too. So it's been hard. Thank

505
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: you for sharing how you are processing and consuming media

506
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: at this time and having I think it's really helpful

507
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: to hear how you have a list of where you

508
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: get certain sources of media from, like the press releases

509
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: and and things like that. So I think that's really

510
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: important for our listeners to hear. Thank you so much

511
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: for sharing that it's important to not feel not get

512
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: burnt out by the digital fatigue and digital burnout. Digital

513
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: fatigue and digital burnout is a thing, especially right now,

514
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: um and as people of color, as black people, you know,

515
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: that just requires even more energy to consume it. Like

516
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: I could not. I will be completely honest. I could

517
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: not bring myself to watch the video. I look at

518
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: the thumbnail and I was like, that is all I

519
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: need to see. I don't actually want to watch the

520
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: eight minutes of this man dying. I saw like the

521
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: first clip where it shows that he was not actually

522
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: resisting arrest. I saw one clip of him going to

523
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: the police car, but the actual clip of him being

524
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: suffocated under that mansonia I could not bring myself to watch.

525
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: And I think that we as black people need to

526
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: be extremely mindful of, you know, how we are consuming

527
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the media, because you know, you consume this media and

528
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: then you have to, like, so you have a report

529
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: do for your boss. You're like, dang, I just like

530
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: I spent so much energy on this thing, and now

531
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and be a professional. I mean,

532
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: they're going to ask for an extension, you know what

533
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean? Or this boss, I'm gonna get what they're

534
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: gonna get and and I think that and it's totally

535
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: okay to some of those kind of boundaries UM with

536
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: yourself and in the consumption, because you will be inundated

537
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: with it. And I had to be like, you know what,

538
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: these are the work things that are just going to

539
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: take a back burner because they're less important than what's

540
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: happening in my community right now. But with that being said,

541
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: I need to also guard my energy and be like, yeah,

542
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: be very mindful of what it is that I consume

543
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: and when I consume it. I appreciate that UM perspective

544
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: as well, because I think I see a lot of

545
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: back and forth on my social media pages, especially because

546
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: so many of our listeners are like non black Latino people,

547
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: and so folks feel like they're helping when they share

548
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: like these videos that are constantly popping up, and then

549
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: there has to be a reminder that sharing uh images

550
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: of like violence against black people is not always helpful

551
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: or emotionally healthy for like folks who are viewing. So

552
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I wonder like, if you have specific thoughts like as

553
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: far as solidarity and true ally ship UM from for

554
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: from non black people of color, great question. I think

555
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: a trigger warning is always always always recommended and appreciate it.

556
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I like to know that you're about to see something

557
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: nice sensitive. If you have the emotional bandwidth right now

558
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: to watch this, then by all means, like I'm going

559
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: to push the folks in my community to watch it,

560
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: because guess what, like this is how we show up

561
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: to support. But as a black person, yeah, I want

562
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: to know like or I think any person really who's

563
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: scrolling through should want to know, like this something that

564
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: that could be very emotional for you. So be mindful

565
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: of that, be mindful of your spirit, and if you're

566
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: in the right headspace, fine take it in. If not,

567
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, I have a comment maybe that summarizes what

568
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: happens underneath the post, and therefore I can then make

569
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: the choice do I want to look at it? Do

570
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: I want to engage in that right now? Do I

571
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: have a space for that right now? Um? I have

572
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: also just been so so appreciative of my fellow PLC.

573
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: I like my friends who identify as Asian Pacific Islander,

574
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: my folks who are Latin. Next, they are posting the

575
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: most beautiful messages of solidarity, of challenging anti blackness in

576
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: their communities and owning the ways in which, like you know,

577
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: proximity to whiteness is real, and how we have to

578
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: like reject approximated whiteness and the privileges that those things

579
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: provide if we are really went to say, like stand

580
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: in solidarity with with our black brothers and sisters, and

581
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: that those messages have I don't even think I can

582
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: express just how how beautiful it has been to to

583
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: see and to feel and it makes it makes all

584
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: of this feel like you're not alone. It really does

585
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: feel like a collective effort. This feels different. It just

586
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: feels really different. I agree on the point that it

587
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: feels different. And over here in l A, just the

588
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: number of people that are out and the energy, and

589
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean just the like there's like a no fear

590
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: and like a no fox given sort of like vibe um.

591
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: And I was. I went downtown on the morning of

592
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: May after, after the Friday Night's uprisings, and it was

593
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: just wild, because you know, people were just out and

594
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: about and just living life as if nothing had happened,

595
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: and and walking their dogs and and and you know

596
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: everything we've already basically clean, and it's just you know,

597
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: I just feel like people are with it, like people

598
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: are here for it. People want this, have been waiting

599
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: for this, and you know, we're just we're gonna do it,

600
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: and we're being supportive of it. And I just get

601
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: the sense that it's gonna I don't know, there's a

602
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: transformative energy around it. So I feel hopeful. Yeah, I

603
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: agree with you, Mala. I think that there's definitely a

604
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: transformative energy. Even with my parents, I think that in

605
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: the non black Latin X community, we've been talking collectively

606
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: about how do we talk to our old to the

607
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: older generation, right, and how do we talk to our

608
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: theos and our theas and our parents. And I can

609
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: say that on my end that my parents and hearing

610
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: them on the phone with their family members, they haven't

611
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: been talking about it in a way that's like looting

612
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: is you know, harmful, And they've been talking about it

613
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: and like this is necessary and people are upset. I

614
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: haven't heard any comments um of the contrary. And I

615
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: think that that does provide a glimpse of hope for

616
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: for us, like as the younger generation that is trying

617
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: to unpack the anti blackness in our own families. And

618
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: so I agree with you that the energy definitely feels

619
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: different it feels transformative, it feels hopeful, and I think

620
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: that hope is a really radical thing to hold onto

621
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: during these times. Um yeah, so yeah, thank you Nadia

622
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: for sharing so much of yourself with us today. Can

623
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: you just plug the organizations that folks can contribute to

624
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis? Yeah, absolutely, So if you are interested in

625
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: supporting initiatives currently, like say you're focused on well, I

626
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: want to support the movement now. There's a great organization

627
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: called Reclaim the Black, fantastic work on UM re envisioning

628
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: a future without police presents like what a could look

629
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: like for us to refund or funnel some of those

630
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: funds into community building and development so that way we

631
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: can actually mitigate the things that might create crime in

632
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: our communities. Another great organization is mp D one fifty

633
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: UM again gearing towards building a police free future, and

634
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: they do a lot of research and policy recommendations that actually,

635
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: if you think about some stuff that's made media attention

636
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: right now, like the University of Minnesota's decision to divest

637
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: from the Minneapolis Police Department, actually comes from some of

638
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: the work that MPD one fifty has done. So um,

639
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: those are things that you can do if you want

640
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: to support the movement right now, if you if you

641
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: want to have your eye on the horizon thinking about

642
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: what does rebuilding look like. We Love Lake Street is

643
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: a great organization. It's tied to the Lake Street Business Council.

644
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: They are collecting donations to help clean up and provide

645
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: resources for small business owners to start the rebuild process.

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Speaker 1: and as always, get out there spread the message. Demand

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Speaker 1: for that very pointedly is another great way that we

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Speaker 1: can support. Thank you so much Nadia for providing these lists,

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Speaker 1: this list of resources. We will definitely be sure to

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Speaker 1: put them in the episode notes with links so our

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Speaker 1: listeners can directly donate, support and share with their family

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Speaker 1: members and community members as well. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. Anything, anything will help. And that

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Speaker 1: wraps up our interview for today. Thank you so much, Nadia.

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Speaker 1: Once again, it was just really a delight and just

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Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on the podcast today. And as always, listeners,

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Speaker 1: you know that you can keep up with us on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We're at look at Underscore Radio. We're on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: the same handle. Remember to like, subscribe, follow, and leave

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Speaker 1: a comment, follow, follow um the links and the organs

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Speaker 1: that Nadia mentioned. Make sure to donate. If you can't

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Speaker 1: go out in the streets to protest, you can protest

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Speaker 1: with your money and with your wallets, and you can

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Speaker 1: support Black Lives Matter. Um. And that's all for today,

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Speaker 1: So thank you, everybody, Besit Thos, thank you for tuning in.