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Speaker 1: I did inside NBA. Change once Kenny Chuck joined the.

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Speaker 2: Crew, it got worse, you know what.

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 2: I worked with Kenny first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you guys know, there's just you either have

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Speaker 4: that or you don't have to. You know, if somebody

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Speaker 4: has to talk to you into being on TV, if

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Speaker 4: somebody has to say, I really wish you would do this,

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Speaker 4: you know, and you really you know, that's one thing.

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Speaker 2: But when you got it, you got it. Kenny had it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Kenny was late in his career. He was working his

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Speaker 4: way through ten days, you know, like he'd be on

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Speaker 4: the show one time. I say, hey, yeah, I was

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Speaker 4: with Detroit, now I'm with so and so. You know so,

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Speaker 4: but man, he just has a gift.

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Speaker 5: So you transitioned into media, you're able to join T

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Speaker 5: and T. Did you have any idea what you're getting

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Speaker 5: yourself into?

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Speaker 6: Somewhat?

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to be in media, but I just

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Speaker 3: enjoyed it because I love the game. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you come to my house tonight, it's gonna be five

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Speaker 3: of us sitting around. We're gonna be talking about the games,

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Speaker 3: talking about whatever it is. That's what we did. So

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Speaker 3: my brother always says, you know, he should get paid

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Speaker 3: half my TNT contract because I use his stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know. My cousin says that.

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Speaker 3: We all do we do group chats, and like that's

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Speaker 3: all we that's what we do. So but I did

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Speaker 3: notice like that most people couldn't in thirty seconds explain

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Speaker 3: that's important what was going on, and not only explain it,

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Speaker 3: but explain it to you guys who at the highest

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Speaker 3: level and also where my grandmother could understand.

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Speaker 6: I was like, oh, they can't do that.

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Speaker 3: I just had that knack, And I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: if we're going to talk to talk, I think what

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Speaker 6: I see the periphial like I don't.

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Speaker 3: See like when I walked in here, I could see

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Speaker 3: the environment that's created, and I could feel the energy

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Speaker 3: of what part of each team that you pull from

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Speaker 3: just based off of like a five minute walkthrough.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. That's just a gift that.

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Speaker 3: God's given me, and it's just in life, Like I

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Speaker 3: could see that in life. But I could see him like,

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Speaker 3: oh that person is important to this process. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: my man had said like two common he jumped in.

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Speaker 3: He's the only one who jumped in, and neither one

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Speaker 3: of y'all said anything, he's important to the process. When

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Speaker 3: he was, he like, y'all allow him to speak, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: but those are things I know. So when those are

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Speaker 3: the things I bring to the show, I'm like, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: You know when this guy like it was a player

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Speaker 3: that had an unbelievable game and great player, and I

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Speaker 3: what do you mean? I was like, because I could

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Speaker 3: tell by the reactions on the bench which authentic and

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Speaker 3: what wasn't. Like if I had fifty, everybody on the

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Speaker 3: my teammates I would know. I'm like, but a guy

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Speaker 3: ain't really feeling getting fifty. I'm like, yo, yo, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: It's a different energy. Those are the things that I noticed,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's why they're gonna win. Well, that's

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Speaker 3: why they won't win. And I think you know where

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Speaker 3: Shock and Charles they come from. The always say Charles

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Speaker 3: is he's a flashlight. And I know y'all had some beef. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: everybody has some beef with you, but you could never

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Speaker 3: have beef for Charles in this way. I'll say, because

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Speaker 3: he looks at life through a flashlight and not a

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Speaker 3: god on Jordan's. No, I got on Jordan's. He's got

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Speaker 3: the flashlight. He's correct in it. But when you put

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Speaker 3: the flood light on it, everybody else. But sometimes the

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Speaker 3: flashlight is super accurate because he's pointing it directly at you.

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Speaker 6: But sometimes he misses things.

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Speaker 3: My job is always to bring the flood light to

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Speaker 3: to it that will rub you the wrong way, because.

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Speaker 6: Or you would over love.

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Speaker 3: I think he gets too much credit sometime, and then

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Speaker 3: I sometime I think he gets too much the other way.

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Speaker 6: But he's accurate all the time. But it's a flashlight.

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Speaker 4: Then when you get a chance, they have chuck on

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Speaker 4: the world like he's going to NBC. NBC was right

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Speaker 4: here with him, and he said, you know, he had

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Speaker 4: Turner folks one night. I don't know what that night

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Speaker 4: was like, but it must have been good. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: so he signs with us. And your only hope is

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Speaker 4: that the things that made him an attractive, you know,

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Speaker 4: option to be on your air is that he'll maintain that,

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Speaker 4: that he won't lose that because look, in the course

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Speaker 4: of my years there, we've had guys on the air

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Speaker 4: who you thought, from watching him interviewed or that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing, is said, well, this gout'd be great on TV,

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Speaker 4: and then the red light goes on and they'd rather

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, and they don't want to kiss anybody off. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to say this because this you know, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Chuck doesn't care, and that's great.

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Speaker 4: And that's the way Chuck's always been, you know, anytime

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Speaker 4: And if you don't agree, that's fine. But what he's

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Speaker 4: not going to do is is back away from it

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Speaker 4: and say no, I can't say that, right, And he's

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Speaker 4: got that over me because sometimes there you know, there

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Speaker 4: are times in a commercial break where I'll say something.

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Speaker 2: He said, oh, you got to say that on the air.

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Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm not gonna I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: do that, so I'm stealing it.

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Speaker 2: I said, you go ahead, you take that.

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Speaker 5: Did you see I mean, obviously the transition. You may

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Speaker 5: like you said, you're going on your twenty three of

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Speaker 1: No, I had no idea. So when Dick ever saw

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Speaker 1: called me one day, he says, Charles, you want to

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Speaker 1: get together to dinner? I said, course, you guys. Y'all probably

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Speaker 1: remember the NBA started on NBC. Yeah. I tell people

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how crazy, that's how that's how long

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Speaker 1: And Dick Ebersol said to me, what do you think

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Speaker 1: Because my first few years the NBA, nobody talked to me.

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Speaker 1: It was Doc Moses, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Tony, Bobby Jones.

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Speaker 1: but doct He says, Now this is a very slippery slope.

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Speaker 1: Trying to answer every question and not make him or

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Speaker 1: he says it's impossible to do that. He says, so

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Speaker 1: And I tried to do it the politically rate in

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Speaker 1: other people. And I'm like, I'm gonna be honest. He says,

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Speaker 1: a basketball. But you can get away with saying what

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Speaker 1: at that meeting, he says, you what happened to make

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm just gonna be honest and straightforward. And

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Speaker 1: and I've lost friends, and you know, people get mad.

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Speaker 1: But I can say this, I've never said anything on

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Speaker 1: I try to be honest. I try to be fair.

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Speaker 1: I've criticized the good ones, I've criticized the great ones,

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Speaker 1: I criticized the bad one. But I actually feel say

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Speaker 1: I can answer say, I think I've been very fair,

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Speaker 8: How did how did this dis this happened. How did

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Speaker 8: I even have him with the big Fellow coming on?

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Speaker 4: I think I think everybody, look, when a big, a

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Speaker 2: Is done playing, everybody wants him and a kid at that,

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Speaker 2: a big kid at that.

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Speaker 4: World's biggest the world's biggest child. But if he's going

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Speaker 4: do TV, you got to be crazy not to make

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Speaker 4: a run at him, right, you know, And so everybody

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Speaker 4: makes a run at him. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: there were some growing pains. I mean, I'll be honest, man.

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Speaker 4: You know it's like number one, you're switching careers, okay,

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Speaker 4: like okay, but he's you know what endeared what he

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Speaker 5: Then what makes you guys such a great team? Obviously,

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Speaker 5: With all due respect, within the context of your championships

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't have beat us. And I get picked number

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Speaker 1: I love that dude. But so I go up. I said,

435
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: big mode, why am I not getting to play? He's old,

436
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: young fella, you're fat and you're lazy, playing it simple.

437
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like what he says, you're fat and you're lazy.

438
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: He said, Charles can't play at three hundred puns in

439
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 1: the NBA, A young fella, you're too fat and too lazy.

440
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: Can't work hard at three hundred pounds. And I put

441
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: downstairs and cried, not gonna lie. And but he said,

442
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: he says, you want to lose weight. I come meet

443
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: you before practice, I meet you out to practice. I

444
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: said please, And this dude says, and he did it

445
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: in a way. It's how smart he was. He did

446
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: in a way. He says, let's lose ten pounds together. Yeah,

447
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: he said, let's lose ten pounds. He met me before practice,

448
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: met me after practice. I get to two ninety and

449
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: I noticed, like even at ten pounds, I'm like, I

450
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: can work a little bit harder. He said, Okay, let's

451
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: lose ten more. I'm like, okay, I get to too eighty.

452
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: Now I'm actually getting to play. He says, let's lose

453
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: ten more. Now I'm at two seventy. Now I'm really

454
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: getting to play. It's not because I can work. I mean,

455
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: thirty pounds a lot. Get to two sixty now I'm starting.

456
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: Now I'm really can work. In my eyes out he says,

457
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: I want to try something. I so he says, let's

458
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: get to two fifty. I'm like, okay, shit working, I'm good.

459
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I get to two fifty. Now I'm really starting. Things

460
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 1: are really starting to take off. I actually got to

461
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: two forty, but I said, I don't feel strong. He said,

462
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: two fifty is your weight. But he was so smart.

463
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: If you had told me to lose fifty pounds, I

464
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: was like, there's no fucking way I could lose fifty pounds.

465
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: There's no way. And I lost to fifty pounds and

466
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: the rest is history. But for that guy taking me

467
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 1: under his wing, first of all, he was already one

468
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it. For him to

469
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: take a little fat kid under his wing, it changed

470
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: my whole life.

471
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 5: Your father of six two biological four adopted my father

472
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 5: that very instant, because that's what my mom wanted to do,

473
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: was adopt. But unfortunately she passed from cancer and O seven.

474
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 5: So talk to us about just fatherhood, everything you fought

475
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 5: through in your personal health life to still be here

476
00:24:59,119 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 5: and be the father you.

477
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: Are and your children. For your children, I mean, chary

478
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: Anne and I are blessed, you know. And and she

479
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 4: you know.

480
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: You have a boy and a girl.

481
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: You know, you get married in eighty two, you got

482
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: a boy in eighty four, you get a girl in

483
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: eighty seven.

484
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, we're set. Good, let's not let's not

485
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: mess with that.

486
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 7: You know.

487
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: That's and that's you know, then the unscripted part of

488
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 4: your life kind of kicks in because you know, my

489
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 4: wife is just this has this wonderful heart.

490
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 8: But we know because you talk about it so highly

491
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 8: on the show, we all feel like we know your wife.

492
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 4: I know, well, I apologize for doing but she's like,

493
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: I come home from work one day and she says,

494
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: you know what we need to do, and I'm like,

495
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 4: chicken or.

496
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: Fish, whatever you feel like, you know, I'll eat anything.

497
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: And she's like, like, we need to go to Romania

498
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: and get one of these kids out of an orphanage

499
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: over there, because she had seen the ABC News twenty

500
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: twenty about these kids just warehoused in this thing, and

501
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: you know, and there's special needs kids. They're being forgotten

502
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: and and so we wind up, you know, she goes,

503
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 4: I stay here. I'm in Atlanta with our kids, who

504
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: were like three and seven at the four and seven

505
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: at the time. Yeah, so I'm taking care of them.

506
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: She's more worried about them than she is about her

507
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 4: trip to Romania. She's like, man, I'm going to come

508
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 4: home and those kids are not going to have had

509
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: a vegetable for two months.

510
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

511
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, so we had a lot of we had

512
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: a lot of pizza and putt putt while she's over there.

513
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: But she goes over there and finds this little boy

514
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: who's got all these issues and and calls me from

515
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 4: Romania and says, I don't know what I can we

516
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: This boy is so much more than we can handle.

517
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: He's three years old. He can't walk, he can't talk,

518
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: and he said, but I just can't imagine going the

519
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: rest of my life wondering what happened to this kid.

520
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 4: It was like, bring them home and he was, you know,

521
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: he had issues, still does I mean? And then he

522
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 4: gets diagnosed with muscular dystrophy and there's no cure for that,

523
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: and most of the time a lot of times kids

524
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: don't get out of their teens. Gots thirty two. Now, man,

525
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: I got this thirty two year old miracle at my

526
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: house and he he's on a ventilator, you know, can't

527
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: do anything on his own.

528
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: But he's amazing, and you guys are amazing.

529
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 4: No, no, you know what, God's amazing, you know, but

530
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: it's you know, there'll be adopted little girl from Paraguay, Carmen.

531
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 4: She's twenty eight, adopted two kids out of foster care

532
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: in Ohio who are now twenty.

533
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: And twenty one.

534
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 4: But we've you know, it's not because me and Cheryl

535
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: are great and then we don't do this for any

536
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: pats on the back.

537
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: It's just like everybody. There's value in everybody, Yes.

538
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: There if you will look for it. There's value in everybody,

539
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 4: and they all and everybody deserves a chance to shine

540
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: and a chance to be what they can be. And

541
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: so I think that's what has always been at the

542
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: root of our heart for adoption, is that let's give

543
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: somebody a chance, you know that, you know, let's give

544
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: this Romanian kid a chance. That he was abandoned in

545
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 4: a park when he was born, you know, the first

546
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 4: time he'd been outside when my wife took him outside

547
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 4: in that orphanage when he was three years older, and

548
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: the first time he was outside since he was found

549
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: in a park. And so I think we've just we've

550
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 4: just tried to teach our kids and that there's value.

551
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: Look for the value, don't look for the things that

552
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 4: tell you, oh this, you know. Shoot, the nurse who

553
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: brought Michael out to sharel the first time that they met,

554
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: said don't take this boy. He's no good. And so

555
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: we you know, this boy who's no good has impacted

556
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: so many people just with his life.

557
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: And so we got it good man.

558
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: And I got four grandkids now too, so Grandpa Ernie,

559
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: we got Poppy, Poppy, Poppy Poppy, and.

560
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: My wife is good.

561
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 8: And that was.

562
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: But I can remember this vividly. I'm signing.

563
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 7: As soon as I get signed, mister West said, hey man,

564
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 7: I just moved, Lottie. I don't know how I got

565
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 7: this kid. I got a kid named Kobe Bryant. You

566
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 7: and him, we're gonna get multiple championships. And I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever,

567
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 7: because I'm looking at all the way. But yeah, he

568
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 7: said that like he saw something in Kobe and nobody saw.

569
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 7: And then and then in an interview, Kobe reminded me

570
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 7: that he came to Orlando to see Penny, and Penny

571
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 7: kind of blew him off, but he had this sad

572
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 7: look on his face, and I grabbed him. I was like,

573
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 7: come on, man, I take a picture. I never knew

574
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 7: that was him. Oh yeah, I never knew that was him.

575
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 7: So he told me, you know, when we did that

576
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 7: TAM two and everything, he said, you don't remember meeting me.

577
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 7: He never told me that, Like, you know, through all

578
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 7: the years that we played in there, he never told

579
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 7: me that.

580
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: He told the story.

581
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know that you Yeah, yeah.

582
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I did.

583
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 8: You and cold connect and y'all robbed at the same time.

584
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 7: He was a guy that wanted it right away. And

585
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 7: we all understand pecking order my team, that ain't about

586
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 7: to happen right But I saw that he had something

587
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 7: in them and he wanted.

588
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: It right away.

589
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 7: A lot of guys don't have that when they're coming.

590
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 7: A lot of guys just like to go through the rope.

591
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 7: But he wanted, he wanted it, he wanted it, he

592
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 7: wanted he wanted it.

593
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 6: So its rookie year.

594
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 7: We let him do what he do make his mistakes,

595
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 7: but the defining moment in his greatness was we were

596
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 7: playing Utah. Nobody wanted to take the last shots. I'm

597
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 7: not taking the last shot, shooting forty percent for the

598
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 7: free throw line. Y'all ain't gonna be talking about me

599
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 7: the shot closs game. So he takes three shots to

600
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 7: air boss. If you can remember, and I hope you

601
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 7: can show this clip. I was the one that grabbed him.

602
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 7: Don't worry about it. One day people are gonna fear you.

603
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 7: And the next year he come in and we come

604
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 7: in a little more. He wanted it, he wanted it,

605
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 7: He wanted it, He wanted it, he wanted it. And

606
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 7: this is where I wish I was a little bit

607
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 7: more tactful. Egos getting away that word my team will

608
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 7: mess you up, right, especially from big guy giving up

609
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 7: to a little guy. I don't play that ship so

610
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 7: instead of But fortunately it still worked out. We still

611
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 7: won three out of four. But a lot of necessary

612
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 7: stuff that shouldn't have happened happened because of the ego,

613
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 7: and it was probably my fault. But one thing I

614
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 7: never do is I never disrespect nobody. I ain't got

615
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 7: to like you. I ain't got to do what you do.

616
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 7: But if you open in the corner, Matt, even if

617
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 7: we had a fight the other day, I know you're

618
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 7: gonna knock that down for it came it. So you know,

619
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 7: even though we didn't hang out or do anything of that,

620
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 7: I'm always looking for him first, and he's always looking

621
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 7: for me. When he go into the hole, he get

622
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 7: doubled and he dropped it off. So I think that'd

623
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 7: help us.

624
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: You guys had the unfortunate duty of being live on

625
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 5: air with the Kobe tragedy. What was the emotion like

626
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: and energy like and how tough was it to be

627
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 5: able to get through that particular night.

628
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: I've never been in a show like that. I mean,

629
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: in thirty one years, it was the most unique show

630
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: ever ever hosted. And because it was so fresh from

631
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it happens Sunday, We're in La Tuesday and

632
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: we are in the middle of Staples Center empty just

633
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: to talk about it. Shack had even talk to anybody

634
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: about it at that point. Jerry West is on the show.

635
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: We just had other voices. I think Rick Fox was

636
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: on that show at some point, and it was just,

637
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: you know what, it was one of those days where

638
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: it just told you that this job we're doing sometimes

639
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: can can go above and beyond being just a basketball show,

640
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: because everybody in the country was kind of coming to

641
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: grips with how do you deal with this?

642
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: How do we.

643
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: How do we deal with these emotions we're feeling, And

644
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: for Shack to be sitting there and just pour his

645
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: heart out, Jerry West do the same thing, Chuck Kenny.

646
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't even put into words how impactful

647
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: that was for us to do it, and just by

648
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: gauging the reaction of people that it helps some people

649
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: get through it too. And that's not to put it

650
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: any self importance on us, like, oh look what we

651
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Speaker 4: It was just it was good for us all to

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Speaker 4: talk about it to lock eyes and say, yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: it hurts.

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Speaker 2: I hope we never have to do another one.

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Speaker 8: Hard to talk about, right for me, right, you know,

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Speaker 8: just thinking about it right now, man, it's still hard

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Speaker 8: to even talk about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean when Jerry was sitting there,

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Speaker 4: you know, talking about what was going through his mind

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Speaker 4: when he decided that he had to have Kobe Bryant,

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Speaker 4: you know, and those first few years and how tight

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Speaker 4: they were, you know, the tears start coming, and we're

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Speaker 4: not there to stop them, right, We're just there to

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Speaker 4: kind of put a hand on his shoulder and say.

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Speaker 2: We've got you right, this is what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: And you know, and you know who gets a lot

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Speaker 4: of credit and you may not know this story. You

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Speaker 4: know who gets a lot of credit for the way

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Speaker 4: that show came off is the folks, you know, like

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Speaker 4: our salespeople. Because we're supposed to do like a four

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Speaker 4: or five segment show, our pregame show leading up to

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Speaker 4: the game that we were going to show that night,

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Speaker 4: and we didn't take a commercial break. Maybe we took one,

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Speaker 4: and so like our producer Jeremy was calling them and saying,

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Speaker 4: I don't think I can't we can't stop this, we

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Speaker 4: can't stop this, and then go to commercial and come

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Speaker 4: back and they said, just go wow. And that's and

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Speaker 4: that was one of those things where it said, I

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Speaker 4: don't care what this does in terms of the sponsors

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Speaker 4: in the bottom line, and we value the sponsors and

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Speaker 4: all that stuff, and I know they're supposed to get this,

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Speaker 4: but the recognition that.

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Speaker 1: This is special.

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Speaker 4: And we're not going to cut somebody off is because

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Speaker 4: we've got to get to commercial and somebody may be

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Speaker 4: struggling to get the words out, and we don't care

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Speaker 4: if they're going to sit for thirty seconds and gather

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Speaker 4: their thoughts. That silence was speaking right.

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Speaker 2: Alliums