Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff. I'm Jacob Shick and I'm
Speaker 1: joined by my co host and wife, Ashley Shick.
Speaker 2: Jake is a third generation combat Marine and I'm a
Speaker 2: gold Star granddaughter. And we work together to serve military veterans,
Speaker 2: first responders, frontline healthcare workers, and their families with mental
Speaker 2: and emotional wellness through traditional and non traditional therapy.
Speaker 3: At One Tribe Foundation, we.
Speaker 1: Believe everyone has a story to tell, not only about
Speaker 1: the peaks, but also the valleys they've been through to
Speaker 1: get them to where they are today.
Speaker 2: Each week, we invite a guest to tell us their story,
Speaker 2: to share with us the lessons they've learned that shaped
Speaker 2: who they are and what they're doing to pay it
Speaker 2: forward and give back.
Speaker 1: Our mission with this show is to dig deep into
Speaker 1: our guest journeys so that we can celebrate the hope
Speaker 1: and inspiration their story has to offer.
Speaker 2: We're thrilled you're joining us again.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Good Stuff.
Speaker 3: Today's episode is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: For me and her. You both are pretty amazing, and
Speaker 1: then you're out amazing everybody else.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, babe.
Speaker 1: Well those facts. Today our guess is Natalie wood Stanier.
Speaker 1: She's here to tell us the story of her childhood
Speaker 1: and the hardship she faced growing up. She's someone we
Speaker 1: definitely consider family. She's an accomplished reporter and TV producer,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys cheerleader alumni, and she's proven it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you started, you can accomplish anything you put your
Speaker 1: mind to. This conversation with Natalie was amazing for me
Speaker 1: because it always is fun when the two of you
Speaker 1: get together and I get to see how beautiful your
Speaker 1: friendship is.
Speaker 3: Agreed, so blest.
Speaker 1: Very blest few Natalie's come along your life journey.
Speaker 2: Agreed absolutely, and there's only one Natalie.
Speaker 1: That's the truest thing that's ever been said on this show.
Speaker 3: We know y'all are gonna love Natalie's story.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to sit down with you and have
Speaker 2: you on the good stuff because so much of my
Speaker 2: life has been good because of our friendship. We go
Speaker 2: way back, way back, way back like Cadillacs. Yes, Natalie
Speaker 2: wood Stand, You're thrilled to have you with us today.
Speaker 2: I was actually Natalie's intern, babe. True, that's how we met.
Speaker 2: Pretty much my whole life is because of her. Natalie
Speaker 2: was this beautiful glamorous TV host in Austin, Texas, and
Speaker 2: I needed one more internship for college. I was in
Speaker 2: my senior year in college in Saint Marcus, and she said, well,
Speaker 2: come be my intern.
Speaker 3: Yes, just like that, I'm hired. Okay, cool, what does
Speaker 3: it pay? Nothing?
Speaker 2: You get hired for free your experience? Yes, experience, and
Speaker 2: I did. I gained a lot of that, and then
Speaker 2: step into your previous role.
Speaker 3: Well, you copied me.
Speaker 4: She actually got the job because I would be on
Speaker 4: camera and she would watch me, and then I'd say,
Speaker 4: do you want to try it?
Speaker 3: So she would actually make fun of me.
Speaker 4: Way, but being able to do that making fun of someone,
Speaker 4: you actually end up getting your own kind of developing
Speaker 4: your own personality which is already there, but how you
Speaker 4: portray that on camera maybe different. So anyway, she was
Speaker 4: really just a natural from the very beginning. So when
Speaker 4: I went to our Dallas market, she slid right on
Speaker 4: in that position in our Austin market and she was amazing.
Speaker 4: So not brown hair braces though, no, no, no we.
Speaker 1: Inmitation is a sincereous form of flatteryentually, and I was
Speaker 1: I was mocking her, and they had already interviewed a
Speaker 1: lot of other potential hosts.
Speaker 2: And with experience, and then Hazelwood, our good friend Ryan Hazelwood,
Speaker 2: who was both of our photographer for years, said, Kmire Camrath,
Speaker 2: show them what you got and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to. And they were like, he's like nope,
Speaker 2: show him and I did and then they were like
Speaker 2: you're hired. I was like, oh crap. But it was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. We did that the Hot on
Speaker 2: Homes TV show for many moons and fortunately just remained
Speaker 2: really good friends. And that's just grown and grown and
Speaker 2: grown over the years.
Speaker 4: And yeah, we went through like pets, boyfriend, jobs, different
Speaker 4: avenues of our lives together and good and the bad.
Speaker 3: We were able to stick together.
Speaker 1: Like legitimate sisters. Yep. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Like you always say, babe, like you know, let us
Speaker 2: thicker than water, hold my salad and watch this. Wester
Speaker 2: Radalie is through and through one of my sisters.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe that we choose.
Speaker 2: Our family is now she's one of your sisters too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 4: When he and I first met, we found out how
Speaker 4: much we had in common. It was it was crazy
Speaker 4: good and then we have you in common, which we
Speaker 4: both love so much well.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that I think so many
Speaker 2: people are attracted to the both of you is that
Speaker 2: you're so open to listen to people with zero judgment,
Speaker 2: like this is in no judgment zone, and people just
Speaker 2: know that. I've seen for both of you for twenty
Speaker 2: years our friendship and then eight nine years our friendship
Speaker 2: and now you know, relationship. People are drawn to your
Speaker 2: energy and they feel so comfortable with you right off
Speaker 2: the b that and it gives them the opportunity to
Speaker 2: open up. I mean a lot of times for y'all,
Speaker 2: it's like people are spilling their soul to you, and
Speaker 2: you're like, whoa you know.
Speaker 1: Also blessing and a curse exactly.
Speaker 2: But you're both so gracious in listening and helping, and
Speaker 2: I've surrounded myself with amazing people.
Speaker 4: It's interesting you say that, because if we could say
Speaker 4: the same exact thing about you.
Speaker 2: Just.
Speaker 3: He got jokes. He's got jokes for days.
Speaker 2: Natalie. We wanted to have you on the good Stuff
Speaker 2: for many reasons. You are a beautiful human inside and out,
Speaker 2: and we are so blessed to call you friend. You're
Speaker 2: an incredible wife, mother, and stepmother. You know, your husband
Speaker 2: is a former black Hawk pilot Joseph Stanier, and you're
Speaker 2: a television host, you're a producer, you're a former Dallas
Speaker 2: Cowboys cheerleader. I mean, that's kind of a big deal,
Speaker 2: especially here in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1: It's probably a big deal in your world, period, isn't it.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the NFL.
Speaker 4: Really, I would say the most notable team when it
Speaker 4: comes to cheerleaders will be the Dallas Boys cheerleaders.
Speaker 3: Fair you probably.
Speaker 4: Can't describe a Minnesota Vikings cheerleader uniform to me, maybe
Speaker 4: you can, but I can guarantee you people in Minnesota
Speaker 4: probably can somewhat describe a Dallas Cowboys chrailader's uniform. And
Speaker 4: that's just because of what they've done from a marketing standpoint,
Speaker 4: a longevity standpoint, and they've kind of been the leader
Speaker 4: in the industry, and I wanted to be a part
Speaker 4: of that. So that was I started that long process
Speaker 4: to trying out and making the team. And I love
Speaker 4: the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It was a good fit and you were actually devoted
Speaker 2: number thirty three hottest Dallas Cowboy cheerleader of all time.
Speaker 1: Right it's number thirty three. There it is.
Speaker 4: I don't really know what the source was, but it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter because I made the.
Speaker 3: List that's going on the resume.
Speaker 2: You've accomplished so much in your short life and been
Speaker 2: a part of so many incredible things, and your energy
Speaker 2: it's beautiful and it brings everyone else up when they're
Speaker 2: around you. But it didn't always go way now.
Speaker 1: It was rough.
Speaker 3: You had a rough start.
Speaker 2: People see you and they see this gorgeous woman who's
Speaker 2: done so much and accomplished so much and is so
Speaker 2: kind and so giving, but they have no idea the
Speaker 2: path that you've walked. Tell us about your childhood.
Speaker 4: So my mom and dad divorced when I was an infant,
Speaker 4: or when I was born. Actually, I don't even think
Speaker 4: that my dad came to the hospital to see me
Speaker 4: because he had already.
Speaker 3: Kind of moved on.
Speaker 4: So my mom really was the one who was in
Speaker 4: my life. She was a bartender my whole life, and beautiful.
Speaker 4: My mom was so beautiful, So there's a lot that
Speaker 4: gave her power with that behind the bar, but also
Speaker 4: her poor decisions and life choices in men in alcohol
Speaker 4: and drugs seeped into our lives, and that affected me
Speaker 4: as a child. So I mean, I remember even in
Speaker 4: elementary if my mom came home after working, but she
Speaker 4: probably usually drank before she came home, And so in
Speaker 4: the mornings, I would get myself up for school.
Speaker 3: I would get myself ready.
Speaker 4: If there was breakfast in there, I would eat breakfast,
Speaker 4: and then I would go to her purse and I
Speaker 4: would go get a dollar ten because that's how much
Speaker 4: the lunch was at school. If there wasn't a dollar
Speaker 4: ten in her purse, then I didn't eat lunch that day.
Speaker 4: And I couldn't wake my mom up to tell her
Speaker 4: because she was in no place physically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was passed out, so there was no way.
Speaker 3: So I remember going to school.
Speaker 4: I remember sitting in the third grade and somebody didn't
Speaker 4: eat their pizza, so the teacher brought it over to me.
Speaker 2: Where did you grow up? And tell me about your
Speaker 2: living conditions?
Speaker 4: So we lived in Conroe, Texas. I love Conro, but
Speaker 4: we moved a lot, We got evicted a lot. So
Speaker 4: I mean, when I drive down I forty five, I
Speaker 4: can point out minimum seven apartment complexes that I lived
Speaker 4: in on I forty five. So forget about the places
Speaker 4: that I lived, like within the city, so.
Speaker 1: That was tough.
Speaker 4: We lived in a few trailers, but I still had
Speaker 4: roof over my head. Have you ever been in a trailer?
Speaker 4: I have, Okay, So this is how it goes. It's
Speaker 4: like a maybe a little room, and then a bathroom,
Speaker 4: and then the washer and dryer, and then a back room,
Speaker 4: and then on the other side there's like a master bedroom. Yeah,
Speaker 4: mine was the back bedroom. To get to my room,
Speaker 4: I had to jump over a rotting floor because I
Speaker 4: could have fallen in fallen through the hole.
Speaker 3: So what kind of fifth grader were you?
Speaker 4: The personality you've seen, the lack of filter, the hyperactivity,
Speaker 4: this kid full of life. That's always been me, even
Speaker 4: despite some of the situations and the scary nights that
Speaker 4: I was in.
Speaker 3: For some reason, have always been able to be.
Speaker 4: This outgoing, gregarious, center of attention kind of personality even
Speaker 4: as a fifth grader.
Speaker 3: It's just I've always wanted to perform.
Speaker 4: I didn't really have a fear of getting on a stage,
Speaker 4: even though I wasn't good.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I was getting on the stage four,
Speaker 3: but I would.
Speaker 4: And so I have always had a very outgoing personality.
Speaker 4: You're just sitting here putting on this good face and
Speaker 4: being in drill team and active and putting a good
Speaker 4: face forward, but still going home to a situation where
Speaker 4: it wasn't a safe environment. And I also didn't know
Speaker 4: what condition my mom would be in when I was there.
Speaker 4: And I was a bus kid, So there's a church
Speaker 4: that would always pick me up on Sundays and Wednesdays,
Speaker 4: and I loved going to church, and I would go
Speaker 4: there and I would see the love in this environment,
Speaker 4: and that's what I wanted, Like, I just wanted this
Speaker 4: stability that I felt in church every Sunday morning, and
Speaker 4: I went to night church and then I went to
Speaker 4: Wednesday church and I saw that and it's what I
Speaker 4: gravitated to because I felt the love that this congregation
Speaker 4: had for each other. And I also knew what condition
Speaker 4: mentally they would be in when I was there as well,
Speaker 4: which I feel like gave me some bit of stability.
Speaker 4: I was in the fifth grade and at that point
Speaker 4: we lived in a town called Willis, which is just
Speaker 4: a little north of Conro. We were in this condo
Speaker 4: and I came home and I remember hearing my mom.
Speaker 4: She was doing lines of coke. And that's the only
Speaker 4: time I've ever heard my mom doing cocaine. I've never
Speaker 4: had seen it or hurt, but I knew and I
Speaker 4: knew what it was, and I just I cried because
Speaker 4: I wanted my mom to be what I thought was
Speaker 4: the version of normal, a normal mom, and I just
Speaker 4: knew she wasn't, and she's sitting there doing drugs.
Speaker 3: She didn't realize I was home. And it was at
Speaker 3: that moment that.
Speaker 4: I prayed to the Lord and I decided, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: going to make a deal with God, because that's what
Speaker 4: fifth graders do. They make a deal, like, Hey, if
Speaker 4: I make this deal with God, then he'll help me
Speaker 4: kind of deliver me from this because I knew that's
Speaker 4: not where I wanted to be, and even as a
Speaker 4: little girl, I knew I wanted to be. I didn't
Speaker 4: want to be taken care of by a man because
Speaker 4: I'd never seen that. I wanted to be independent, and
Speaker 4: I knew, like women in the church who were independent,
Speaker 4: I could do it. I just had to figure out
Speaker 4: how to do it. So I prayed to God and
Speaker 4: I said, I won't drink ever, I won't smoke or
Speaker 4: do drugs, and I won't have sex until i'm married,
Speaker 4: if you'll please help me not to end up like
Speaker 4: my mom while she was doing lines of coke. And
Speaker 4: that's how desperate I was. I wanted to figure it out.
Speaker 4: I wanted to fight. I wanted to come above that,
Speaker 4: because it's not fun when you come home from school
Speaker 4: and you can't bring friends home, right because you don't
Speaker 4: know what condition your mom is going to be in,
Speaker 4: or she's going to be there, or in honestly, what
Speaker 4: condition the house is going to be in. Clothes weren't washed,
Speaker 4: and it just wasn't taking care of Again, when you're
Speaker 4: serving a god of alcohol and drugs and sex and
Speaker 4: center of attention, right, the children are going to pay
Speaker 4: the price. So I knew I had to figure that out.
Speaker 4: And I thought, if I don't drink and I don't
Speaker 4: do drugs, and I don't smoke, and I don't center
Speaker 4: my life around men, then maybe that's a good path
Speaker 4: to have. And I think that was also being probably
Speaker 4: taught to me in the church that I was going
Speaker 4: to as well as far as good choice is good life,
Speaker 4: bad choice is bad life. Here's a fifth grader now going, Okay,
Speaker 4: I made this deal with God, and I know he'll
Speaker 4: hold up on his end, but I got to hold
Speaker 4: up on mine. And the men she brought home also
Speaker 4: brought in another element concern for me. Some of the
Speaker 4: men that my mom brought home took advantage of me
Speaker 4: because she was passed out on the couch, so they
Speaker 4: took advantage of me sexually. The first time I remember
Speaker 4: that happening was, oh gosh, definitely happened in the third grade,
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to remember. I think it happened probably
Speaker 4: in the second grade. And then my mom dated a
Speaker 4: man for a very long time that lived in our
Speaker 4: house who would he never touched me. I just called
Speaker 4: him staring at me, or he would open my blinds
Speaker 4: just the perfect way so that when I was in
Speaker 4: my bedroom he could come out and watch me. I mean,
Speaker 4: he was that guy former pastor. It's interesting because you
Speaker 4: always hear about kids not telling that stuff, and I
Speaker 4: don't know that I ever told anybody because I didn't
Speaker 4: know where I would go. You know, it was still
Speaker 4: my mom number one, who I love so much, and
Speaker 4: I still had her, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I had I had the church, I could
Speaker 3: have told the church, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: Same me, I was molested when I was young, and
Speaker 1: it was like it was just such a different time
Speaker 1: and it's still I think it hadn't changed a whole lot,
Speaker 1: Like who do you tell you? You just don't talk
Speaker 1: about that stuff to me from what I remember in
Speaker 1: the church I grew up, and even in the church,
Speaker 1: you put on your Sonday best and you go act
Speaker 1: like everything's rainbows, roses and lollipops. Like I don't remember
Speaker 1: there being a whole lot of vulnerability. I don't remember
Speaker 1: there being a whole lot of conviction and being authentic
Speaker 1: and genuine. And not to say that it didn't have
Speaker 1: its positives, because it definitely did, but I feel like
Speaker 1: as far as from an emotional and psychological standpoint, it
Speaker 1: didn't do a lot and helping me grow and looking
Speaker 1: back on it now as an adult and having lived
Speaker 1: a life I've lived, like it's to discuss me, Like
Speaker 1: I think there was a bunch of cowardice and ignorance,
Speaker 1: both chosen and for me. You can't be a pillar
Speaker 1: or a leader in your community if you're one of those,
Speaker 1: because there's kids around you. One and four is what
Speaker 1: the statistics show, right, One in four children that are
Speaker 1: sexually molested, sexually violated one way or the other. I'd
Speaker 1: be willing to bet it's higher than that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the ones that could, that were strong enough to
Speaker 1: say something.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jay, there's three people in this room, and
Speaker 3: two out of three.
Speaker 1: Right, I believe. And I've told you this before, like
Speaker 1: you epitomize what it means to be a warrior. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be a gun slinger. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be a lead slinger and wear a uniform and
Speaker 1: do all that. I'm drawn to people that have the
Speaker 1: the emotional scars, and I think that's my inner gladiator
Speaker 1: that is drawn to those people. And even in the beginning,
Speaker 1: from when we first met, like it was, even though
Speaker 1: you annoyed the hell out of me, No I didn't.
Speaker 1: You did, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I chose not to see that.
Speaker 1: You chose, you choose to never see it ever from
Speaker 1: anyone ever. But to know now what I know. I
Speaker 1: knew it before you told me. I knew there was
Speaker 1: a lot more behind behind the eyes. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a gift to God thing. But that's what
Speaker 1: I'm drawn to, is I'm not I don't care about
Speaker 1: the cheerleader stuff. And the accolades, like I don't care
Speaker 1: about any of that stuff. Like, You're right, I couldn't
Speaker 1: describe what a cheerleader outfit, costume, uniform, okay even down
Speaker 1: to the cowboys, right, because it's not what I But
Speaker 1: I'm also very passionate about the game of football. Well,
Speaker 1: let me show you a picture. No, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: need to because I'm kidding. Jackson has a picture signed
Speaker 1: by you. I admire your warriorness so much because you
Speaker 1: could have picked a lot of different paths, especially in
Speaker 1: the industries you're in, because it was real easy in
Speaker 1: those industries to like it wasn't hard, like you could
Speaker 1: definitely fall in to the same thing that your mother
Speaker 1: fell into. It's admirable that you were able to stay
Speaker 1: set fast on a certain course. Not to say that
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had horrible things happen after the fact
Speaker 1: that we're out of your control. That to me is
Speaker 1: what being a gladiator is all about, fighting against the odds,
Speaker 1: even on the bad days, knowing that you are stronger
Speaker 1: than any circumstance.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that even as a child, somehow was I
Speaker 4: and other kids you somehow compartmentalize to be able to
Speaker 4: push it back, not down where it's going to boil up,
Speaker 4: because I've actually never felt that way. I've accepted what
Speaker 4: happened to me. I compartmentalized it and said this sucks,
Speaker 4: and I either let that bring me down or I
Speaker 4: use it to make me stronger. I was embarrassed about,
Speaker 4: you know, being in those situations and being that vulnerable
Speaker 4: as a little girl and having a man do that,
Speaker 4: but it empowered me. People do bad things. I don't
Speaker 4: think God.
Speaker 1: Puts bad the hinds the people free will.
Speaker 3: It happens.
Speaker 4: I was in college and I became a camp counselor
Speaker 4: so that I could share possibly my story with other
Speaker 4: teenage girls who might be battling as well. That God
Speaker 4: could use me to share that story as well. That
Speaker 4: was kind of my own therapy, right, finally telling somebody,
Speaker 4: because I didn't tell anybody for a very long time
Speaker 4: that those things had happened to me.
Speaker 1: It's amazing the way that lifts off the soul. It's
Speaker 1: I mean literally, yes, I mean I just said it
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago speaking to I was speaking
Speaker 1: like a lot, like thousands and thousands of people, and
Speaker 1: it just flew out of my mouth and then I
Speaker 1: went to apologize, but then I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: did apologize. I think, oh, you heard it, And then
Speaker 1: but then I was like, no, I take that back.
Speaker 1: I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry about that. Like, just
Speaker 1: to be able to say that, and the weight that
Speaker 1: was lifted off was like, goh, man, I wish I'd
Speaker 1: had the strength or courage or permission or whatever. It
Speaker 1: is a long time ago to do this, because I
Speaker 1: think mentally and emotionally I would be further than where
Speaker 1: I am now.
Speaker 3: Maybe you weren't emotionally ready to do it back then.
Speaker 1: I look back on it, just like any of us
Speaker 1: at the stable could look back on it, and there
Speaker 1: was no foundation, I mean zero to talk about anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so taboo when we were growing up.
Speaker 1: And thinking about how it still is right. Our children
Speaker 1: are our future. We have to empower them in healthy
Speaker 1: ways and give them a healthy foundation and give them
Speaker 1: permission and courage and all the other things to be
Speaker 1: able to be open and vulnerable without judgment.
Speaker 2: Did you ever falter on your deal with God, Ashley?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I I still don't drink and I don't smoke, and
Speaker 4: I don't do drugs. I do have sex, with my husband. Sorry,
Speaker 4: Jake wants to here.
Speaker 3: It is here, it is you know, it's a fact.
Speaker 3: She's just speaking the truth.
Speaker 1: God, does Joseph know that his one role on this
Speaker 1: planet was to be your your husband? Patients of Joe
Speaker 1: Chosen patience? I mean seriously, how I mean, God, bless
Speaker 1: you Joseph.
Speaker 4: I know well you want to pray for him right now? Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: good good. I was a good girl, I really I thought,
Speaker 4: you know, their temptations are there. I certainly made out
Speaker 4: with boys all of that, but I didn't I would
Speaker 4: go to parties and I did not drink. That was
Speaker 4: never a temptation for me.
Speaker 1: Drinking, Yes, I think, because you're so repulsed. I was.
Speaker 4: I was repulsed by I was repulsed by that, but
Speaker 4: I was more repulsed by the what it turned my
Speaker 4: mom into when she.
Speaker 3: Was liquor drunk, really, even beer drunk.
Speaker 1: Does she get mean me?
Speaker 4: She got so mean, not physic with me, but the
Speaker 4: things that would come out of her mouth. It would
Speaker 4: have been better for her to throw a bile.
Speaker 1: You probably would rather probably.
Speaker 4: And her to still being somewhat the right mind, yes,
Speaker 4: just because it was just it was disgusting. It was
Speaker 4: evil and that was what made me so nervous when
Speaker 4: I would come home from school because I didn't know
Speaker 4: what I.
Speaker 3: Was going to get.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if I was going to get beer drunk,
Speaker 4: just sloppy liquor drunk, hateful and mean, or my mom
Speaker 4: recovering and sober.
Speaker 3: Hungover, hungover? Did do you ever have to clean her up?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think if I ever remember? I just no,
Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't know that I would have known
Speaker 3: how to do that.
Speaker 4: There was always men around, honestly, and so she was
Speaker 4: passed out in that bed.
Speaker 3: So but you learned responsibility at a young age. I did.
Speaker 1: I did grow fast.
Speaker 2: Yes, When did you first become involved with dance?
Speaker 1: Cheer?
Speaker 3: How do you find out?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: How a passion introduction to that world.
Speaker 4: I tried out for cheerleader in the seventh grade. My
Speaker 4: mom dropped me off and I tried out and I
Speaker 4: did not make cheerleader, and I remember running to my
Speaker 4: mom and said they didn't think I was good enough,
Speaker 4: and I was crying in my mom. She loved me
Speaker 4: so much through that, you know, she was so proud
Speaker 4: of me for trying out and that was a good time.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a really good time, but I
Speaker 4: did not make it. And then I heard about a
Speaker 4: drill team and I was like, well, there's more girls
Speaker 4: on the drill team and I'm not trained, but maybe
Speaker 4: I'll try out for drill team. And they took me,
Speaker 4: and that was another God moment. Why why did you
Speaker 4: try out for cheerleader? Why did you go for drill team?
Speaker 4: I think I wanted to be a part of something
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a part of.
Speaker 3: First, it was a stage.
Speaker 4: The field was a football stage, you know, for halftime
Speaker 4: or for the sideline if I had made cheerleader. But
Speaker 4: also then I got to be a part of a
Speaker 4: community of other girls who would be sharing the same
Speaker 4: thing that I was doing.
Speaker 3: And I loved it.
Speaker 4: I loved putting on a show, and drill team actually
Speaker 4: was more aligned with putting on a show then even cheering, right,
Speaker 4: So it actually worked out really well for me and
Speaker 4: I stayed with drill team from seventh grade and my
Speaker 4: senior year I was the major, so that drill team
Speaker 4: that I just loved and adored, I ended up becoming
Speaker 4: the leader, the leader my senior year.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like the environment that you grew up in,
Speaker 2: and it's easy for us to sit here in forty
Speaker 2: five minutes and just glance over it and talk about, yeah,
Speaker 2: this was your reality. But this was your reality. This
Speaker 2: was your day in, day out, the fear of not
Speaker 2: knowing what you're going to get when you go home.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that environment is what caused you
Speaker 2: or drove you to take so many risks? Fast forward
Speaker 2: into your adult life, You're now a reporter. You're on
Speaker 2: camera on television, not an easy job, especially the live shots.
Speaker 2: And then fast forward now I'm going to try out
Speaker 2: for Dallas Cowboy cheerleader because that's the best. Was that
Speaker 2: drive part of the environment that you grew up in.
Speaker 4: I think I always had a drive, but to figure
Speaker 4: it out. When I made that deal with God, I thought, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going to go for it because he's not going
Speaker 4: to let me down, because I'm going to keep up
Speaker 4: my end of the bargain. And so maybe that gave
Speaker 4: me a little bit of confidence. Even though I had
Speaker 4: never cheered, even though I had never danced, there was
Speaker 4: at least a little bit of just natural talent enough
Speaker 4: to make seventh grade drill team. And then making that
Speaker 4: drill team built on that confidence, and then I became
Speaker 4: a better dancer even college when I was doing show
Speaker 4: choir and I was dancing there as well, not as detailed,
Speaker 4: but we were still dancing. All of that kind of
Speaker 4: pulled together to help me with the path that I
Speaker 4: chose to take. I talk about my mom and my childhood,
Speaker 4: and it was tough, but I didn't pick that. God did,
Speaker 4: so I knew he had me there for a reason, and.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it. I didn't like a lot about it.
Speaker 4: But now I can look back and I can be
Speaker 4: more open about what happened to me as a child,
Speaker 4: and I can talk about it with a little less embarrassment.
Speaker 4: There's still always a little bit of embarrassment for me
Speaker 4: to admit that some grown man put his hands on
Speaker 4: a second grader.
Speaker 1: He is embarrassment or you ain't a shame that's ingrained.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's ingrained in the DNA.
Speaker 3: To be embarrassed her, to be to have the shame both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a part of the human words.
Speaker 4: Well, people look at me differently and not want to
Speaker 4: be around me like well men not would a man
Speaker 4: not want to date me?
Speaker 1: It's getting way less and less how much I care
Speaker 1: what people think. But it's taken a long time, same
Speaker 1: and a lot of bombs and bruises to get there.
Speaker 4: Well, and I knew if God put me there, that
Speaker 4: was my mom and a dad who really missed out
Speaker 4: on a really cool girl. Be honest with you, right,
Speaker 4: but but you know, but you are. But those were
Speaker 4: my parents and this day my mom life has slowed
Speaker 4: her down a lot, and my mom is in my life.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to say. We don't talk a lot about this,
Speaker 4: but I do have very honest conversations with her now.
Speaker 4: She accepts it as much as she can. And the
Speaker 4: way that she accepts it is by changing the subject,
Speaker 4: not yelling at me or telling me that I was
Speaker 4: wrong or any of that. She now just avoids she
Speaker 4: avoids the conversation, but she knows it's there. But I
Speaker 4: think her avoidance is just maybe her way of dealing
Speaker 4: with what she knew she.
Speaker 3: Was doing back then. I mean, she probably wasn't in
Speaker 3: the best place to have children.
Speaker 2: What was the relationship like through your high school years
Speaker 2: into adulthood.
Speaker 3: With my mom? She wasn't there.
Speaker 4: Actually, my senior year I ended up living with my
Speaker 4: sister in her apartment and Julia just had a child.
Speaker 4: But I lived with my sister and I finished there
Speaker 4: in college. I didn't know where my mom.
Speaker 1: Was all throughout college for the most part.
Speaker 4: Yes, toward the end, she actually moved in with her mom,
Speaker 4: my grandmother, because life had kind of started to slow
Speaker 4: her down. My mom came from great parents. My mom
Speaker 4: came from my Papaul helped start Houston Lighting and Power.
Speaker 3: They did okay.
Speaker 4: They were a nice middle class, upper middle class family,
Speaker 4: and she was blessed and had my uncle, her brothers,
Speaker 4: you know, has his masters and centinary. I mean, she
Speaker 4: came from this, but she just had kind of the
Speaker 4: ingrained and party lifestyle. That's when life started to slow down.
Speaker 4: And then I knew where my mom was.
Speaker 1: But where would you do like Christmas and Thanksgiving, like
Speaker 1: when you had the big breaks and coach friends.
Speaker 4: And then in summers, I was a camp counselor sky
Speaker 4: Ranch and I loved it. I mean, so I didn't
Speaker 4: really have a home to go to, but I had
Speaker 4: amazing friends and amazing people that if I wanted to
Speaker 4: go with them, I could.
Speaker 2: So we're so blessed through that, And you talk about
Speaker 2: your drill team coach who gave you the scholarship, and
Speaker 2: that has been a huge theme throughout your life.
Speaker 3: Your coaches, my coaches, Betty Buckner, Danielle Rapp, Larry Brumley,
Speaker 3: my choir director who gave me a full ride if
Speaker 3: I agreed to be the choreographer, Christine o'hagen who told
Speaker 3: me about Panola, which changed my life, getting to go
Speaker 3: to Stephen F. Austin. I love East.
Speaker 4: Texas and I love SFA. I love ESFA. It's a
Speaker 4: great place. God brings somebody for everyone. There are people
Speaker 4: in your life. God is put there, and you guys
Speaker 4: can strengthen each other. And I don't want to say
Speaker 4: use each other, but in a sense you are. You're
Speaker 4: there to sharpen each other. And God gave me that.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because I did get a pel grant.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: I did have school loans, but I paid all those
Speaker 4: off and now I'm able to donate to kids who
Speaker 4: in this situation. Somebody did that for me, this little
Speaker 4: girl who nobody really knew other than just being the
Speaker 4: hyper piper running around, you know, full of life. But
Speaker 4: mister Gibson believed in me, and hardly knew me but
Speaker 4: saw something. It's just as a believer, I will never
Speaker 4: ignore the fact that this deal as a fifth grader
Speaker 4: that I made with God was honored by him.
Speaker 1: It's a testament to the perseverance and the resilience that
Speaker 1: you've gotten you. I think that in a large part
Speaker 1: you're born with you know. And I was on the
Speaker 1: fence for a long time about these God gifts and
Speaker 1: all that, all based on trauma. Right clearly lost that one,
Speaker 1: Thank God, but you've got more than most. It's inspirational.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You should say that. I don't tell a whole lot of.
Speaker 3: He really doesn't.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting over here and shock. You went from the
Speaker 2: football field is your stage to getting a job on
Speaker 2: TV and then trying out for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders
Speaker 2: and making it tell us about that transition.
Speaker 4: Gosh, I really was born a ham, for sure, but
Speaker 4: you sounds so country.
Speaker 3: I really was born a Ham. I was lowering.
Speaker 4: He didn't make me really good, like not like the
Speaker 4: vocal talent of like Lady Gaga. He knew because he'd
Speaker 4: be like, I can't give her that much power because
Speaker 4: she'll abuse it. So he made me a really above
Speaker 4: average singer and a somewhat above average dance and he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you a little of this and you
Speaker 4: go with it. So that's what I had, so I did.
Speaker 1: So do you agree with the statement that at some
Speaker 1: point hard work will supersede god given talent?
Speaker 4: I think that the god given talent, if you put
Speaker 4: the hard work with it, can make you unstoppable. Seems dramatic,
Speaker 4: but it can. It makes you more powerful supersede it.
Speaker 1: No, So think about the people that are listening that
Speaker 1: were in your boat average, your above average singing, dancing,
Speaker 1: what have you?
Speaker 3: Academically?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you knew girls who had to in
Speaker 1: those worlds that could you show up and just be awesome?
Speaker 3: Oh I hated it. I didn't hate them.
Speaker 4: Oh, but they would show up and they'd learn eight
Speaker 4: eighths and then they would be like here it is, yes,
Speaker 4: but you had, but you I did.
Speaker 1: That's my point. Yes, for those people listening that are
Speaker 1: like I just need to don't be afraid to put
Speaker 1: in the sweat equity that's right, burn your pain is fuel.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that because my daughter, who has dyslexia,
Speaker 4: I had a very honest conversation with her.
Speaker 3: I said, here's the deal.
Speaker 4: You're going to have the kid next to you that's
Speaker 4: not going to have to study and is going to
Speaker 4: get the A. And you are going to have to
Speaker 4: put the work in because it didn't go into your
Speaker 4: brain quite as easily as it went into his brain.
Speaker 4: But that's okay. If you put the hard work in,
Speaker 4: there's a good chance you're going to be much more
Speaker 4: well prepared for the future because you had the discipline
Speaker 4: to do the hard work. Now I understand what you're
Speaker 4: saying now, and absolutely I do agree with that.
Speaker 2: You have to work hard, so you take your work
Speaker 2: ethic and you enter the field of television. How did
Speaker 2: that journey begin?
Speaker 4: So I was actually going to be a nurse. I
Speaker 4: went to nursing school. I was in nursing school, and
Speaker 4: I well, they started me in the nursing homes and
Speaker 4: I thought, I don't know, like this is for me.
Speaker 4: So I prayed about it.
Speaker 1: But that was greatness because jeriatrics are the ones that
Speaker 1: threw you off on nursing. God b well, I think that.
Speaker 3: They did that on purpose. But I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think it's apposed to.
Speaker 4: Be a nurse, And so somebody asked me when I
Speaker 4: was thinking about geting out of nursing, what have you
Speaker 4: always wanted to do? And I said, I really, okay,
Speaker 4: don't laugh, but I think I want to I would
Speaker 4: really like to stand in front of a tornado and
Speaker 4: report on it and my hair's flying in the wind.
Speaker 3: They were like, then do it.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, but how really, how likely is it
Speaker 4: for me that I could end up on television? And
Speaker 4: they said, well, the good thing about news is you
Speaker 4: don't have to know a lot about a little.
Speaker 3: You have to know a little about a lot.
Speaker 4: So that is you agagate party.
Speaker 2: You have to know a little about a lot, jack
Speaker 2: of all trades, master of none.
Speaker 4: Okay, I went and I got a degree in communications
Speaker 4: radio television. I interned at Channel eight in Dallas, Fort
Speaker 4: we at WFA uh huh yep, and then land in
Speaker 4: my first job as a reporter at kvu E ABC
Speaker 4: in Austin, Austin, Texas. Way way in over my head,
Speaker 4: like you shouldn't start probably in Austin, but somebody believed
Speaker 4: in me and gave me a job.
Speaker 3: And they were looking for a reporter and and.
Speaker 4: Oh man, but one of them still my best friend.
Speaker 4: Of this day and actually got her producing jobs. She's
Speaker 4: one of the best reporters I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4: But we've been able to actually help each other find jobs,
Speaker 4: like like you did, for production jobs and stuff like that. Well, anyway,
Speaker 4: so that's how I ended up on television.
Speaker 2: And he did that wonderfully well for over a decade,
Speaker 2: and then at the riple age of thirty one, decided
Speaker 2: to try out for I did.
Speaker 4: That's right, Yes, thirty thirty one years old. I tried
Speaker 4: out for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Cheerleaders against seventeen and eighteen year olds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think it's like the
Speaker 4: well eighteen eighteen, Well you have school, yes, eighteen, there's
Speaker 4: no age limit on the other side of the scale,
Speaker 4: but you have to be eighteen and most.
Speaker 1: Of the girls are eight yet there's not no Yeah.
Speaker 3: You could try out. You could try out, like could
Speaker 3: you could try out? You can?
Speaker 4: They had no, They've had a lot of guys try out.
Speaker 4: I don't know if the jump splits are going to
Speaker 4: be in your favor.
Speaker 1: But you can take my should it's good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the you know what, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So anyway, I tried out for the Dallas
Speaker 4: Cowboys Shielders, and I thought, I know, I'm only thirty one,
Speaker 4: but some reason I think I'm cute in the stands. Maybe,
Speaker 4: So I tried out, but I did not make it.
Speaker 3: My first year.
Speaker 4: I was the last one cut the day before squad
Speaker 4: photo and they're like, we've put a team together. You're
Speaker 4: not on it. But to go from a thousand applicants to.
Speaker 1: They only take a thousand.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, they.
Speaker 1: Can they can have anyone can walk in and give anyone.
Speaker 4: Anyone who's eighteen can walk in and get Yeah. So
Speaker 4: I walked in, tried out, didn't make it. So I
Speaker 4: had to come back the next year because to get
Speaker 4: that close and then not make it.
Speaker 2: And you say that nonchalantly, like that tryout process is exhausting.
Speaker 4: It really is the most rewarding nightmare I've ever been three.
Speaker 4: It is because you've got a thousand cameras on you.
Speaker 4: They had this hit television show, which didn't really bother
Speaker 4: me as much because I come from television. But you
Speaker 4: know the world is watching you and judging you for sure,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, you get comments like, oh, Natalie Woods,
Speaker 4: she's got her sentrum silver and her locker because I
Speaker 4: was older.
Speaker 3: I know, I hurt.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I know, so I cheered at thirty two
Speaker 4: and thirty three years old.
Speaker 3: They took me and I made the team.
Speaker 2: And how many cuts like you go to your from
Speaker 2: the very first.
Speaker 4: There's a thousand applicants and they cut down to probably
Speaker 4: a little over one hundred that make it to semifinals
Speaker 4: and then finals you get probably I don't know the
Speaker 4: thirty thirty five girls, but you joined the veterans. At finals,
Speaker 4: you're probably I don't know, probably about sixty seventy girls
Speaker 4: maybe in finals.
Speaker 2: Because they make all of the veterans try out again
Speaker 2: correct to prevent complete take forty five.
Speaker 4: To training camp, and then two and a half months
Speaker 4: training camp, blood, sweat and tears, seven to midnight every night.
Speaker 4: Then they'll cut down to thirty six and they'll make
Speaker 4: a squad of thirty six.
Speaker 1: Then you get paid.
Speaker 4: Well, then I got fifty dollars a game before Texas,
Speaker 4: but I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: For the money.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the brilliant things about that
Speaker 1: squad in particular, yeah, is that if you're not passionate
Speaker 1: about that, because you're not doing it for the paycheck.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna make it.
Speaker 3: No, that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're doing I mean a lot of the
Speaker 4: girls that you're doing it for a stepping stone, because
Speaker 4: that does open up.
Speaker 3: A lot of doors for them. I was at the
Speaker 3: TV show.
Speaker 4: I really wasn't because I think that was one of
Speaker 4: the director in the choreographer like, what are you really
Speaker 4: here for?
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is the icing on the cake.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 3: To be able to wear that uniform and to be
Speaker 3: on that field and be a part of the best
Speaker 3: would be amazing.
Speaker 4: So I didn't care where I stood in the squad photo.
Speaker 4: I didn't care if I was in the back because
Speaker 4: I wonder.
Speaker 1: How that seventh grade cheercoach feels.
Speaker 4: She's actually pretty awesome. I reached out and I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, you cut me. She's like, girls, I was
Speaker 4: building blocks.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 3: But you know what, It's true.
Speaker 4: Because that type of cheer is very different, very Dallas couple.
Speaker 3: Sure is a mortial team. Yeah, it's more deals. It
Speaker 3: actually worked out in my favor.
Speaker 2: And I remember the night you called me to tell
Speaker 2: me that you made it. I remember how ecstatic you
Speaker 2: were tell me about that moment when you found out.
Speaker 4: For a lot of guys, it would be like making
Speaker 4: it into the NFL. Not very many people can say
Speaker 4: that they've played in the NFL. It's the same thing
Speaker 4: for a squad like this or the Rockets, to say
Speaker 4: that you've done it and that you made it and
Speaker 4: that your hard work paid off because it was hard work.
Speaker 3: That was a lot of hard work.
Speaker 4: I wish I could explain a moment because I gave
Speaker 4: two years of tryouts to that, tryouts and diets. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, just discipline, the hard work to finally be
Speaker 4: chosen and to know you made it.
Speaker 3: There really is nothing like it. You figured it out.
Speaker 3: I figured it out, all right.
Speaker 2: Thinking back on your life's journey, is there a particular
Speaker 2: person or organization that's made a huge impact on your path?
Speaker 3: No, next question, just kidding.
Speaker 2: That, lie, there's a lot.
Speaker 4: Not only did I have the Lord above that I
Speaker 4: could pray to, but I had kind of a Jesus
Speaker 4: and skin. I had families who take care of me.
Speaker 4: Even in high school. Emily Holmes's mom when my mom
Speaker 4: couldn't take me to practice, she came and picked me
Speaker 4: up and I had to do ten high kicks for
Speaker 4: every minute I was late, but I didn't care. She
Speaker 4: still came, she still took care of me. The fact
Speaker 4: that I even made drill team with no training, I
Speaker 4: think that's a god thing because that was something to
Speaker 4: fill my time with, something productive, and so I was
Speaker 4: able to dance on this dance team of ninety ninety
Speaker 4: girls and it was phenomenal. But then the bills come.
Speaker 4: My mom's not we're not going to pay that. I mean,
Speaker 4: my dad's not my life, my mom's obviously, that's not
Speaker 4: where the money's going to go if we're not even
Speaker 4: washing clothes. So Betty Buckner, my drill team director, put
Speaker 4: me on full scholarship because she finally came to me
Speaker 4: and said, we really need this money. And I just
Speaker 4: lost it because I knew right then I was going
Speaker 4: to have to tell her I couldn't be on the
Speaker 4: drill team anymore because I wouldn't be able to pay
Speaker 4: for it. And when she got my whole story, she said,
Speaker 4: that's not going to happen. You're absolutely going to be
Speaker 4: on this drill team and we're going to put you
Speaker 4: on a scholarship. Nobody knew it, but they covered my
Speaker 4: cost and that's a public school taking care of that
Speaker 4: for me. You know, I talked about all the organizations
Speaker 4: that really kind of helped pave the way for me,
Speaker 4: But I think what's more impactful were the people within
Speaker 4: those organizations who took care of me, who loved me
Speaker 4: and protected me, like Betty Buckner, my drill team director,
Speaker 4: Daniel Rht, my drill team director Larry Brumley at Panola.
Speaker 4: It was the people that God put in those organizations
Speaker 4: to help guide me.
Speaker 1: What do you do to decompress or unwind or recharge?
Speaker 4: Pickleball, roller skating and watching my kids play sports they
Speaker 4: love that pumps me up.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Last question, what feeds your soul?
Speaker 3: It is everyone that is in my life now, who
Speaker 3: chooses to be in my life and who allows me
Speaker 3: to be in their lives. That's the most important part
Speaker 3: to me because it was people who got me here
Speaker 3: to where I am, and till the very end, it
Speaker 3: will be the people who are part of my tribe.
Speaker 1: It's people. Now.
Speaker 2: When I think of you, I think of beauty, yes
Speaker 2: on the exterior, but so much on the interior. And
Speaker 2: the word that always comes to me is grace because
Speaker 2: of the life you've lived because of the path that
Speaker 2: you've not only been put on, but then chose. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm so proud to call you friend, and I'm
Speaker 2: so proud to see all the wonderful things that you're
Speaker 2: doing and to know where you came from. You truly
Speaker 2: epitomize grace and forgiveness and love. Hearing your story today,
Speaker 2: you always had faith, you never lost the faith, and
Speaker 2: I think that's just such a beautiful thing. And I'm
Speaker 2: just so grateful to call you friend. Thank you for
Speaker 2: being on the good stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for our world's collided way back when,
Speaker 1: and to be able to sit down and do this
Speaker 1: with you, knowing you the way I know you now,
Speaker 1: and knowing how close and how strong the bond is
Speaker 1: between the two of you. It's really cool to be
Speaker 1: a part of it. And I feel privileged to know you.
Speaker 1: When I tell people you're worth fighting, bleeding, and dying for.
Speaker 1: Couldn't possibly mean that more when I say that, but
Speaker 1: especially to people like you that you just your existence
Speaker 1: makes this world a better place.
Speaker 3: Well, I love you, guys, We love you. You make
Speaker 3: us better.
Speaker 1: Nally, it was an absolute pleasure to have you on
Speaker 1: the good stuff.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Wow. I love her energy.
Speaker 2: I love sitting down with her and just shooting the breeze.
Speaker 2: It's always so uplifting. It's always so inspiring and enlightening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean because of her life's journey. She's just
Speaker 1: a plethora of knowledge and inspiration at the life.
Speaker 3: Game, agreed. And you know, we talk about this all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: So many people who had a rough start in life,
Speaker 2: they use that, they channel that and all of those experiences,
Speaker 2: those dark times, and they use that to inspire them
Speaker 2: to go accomplish great things in life. And I'm so
Speaker 2: blessed that she's been my friend for so many years
Speaker 2: because she truly inspires me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Likewise, and I don't say that lightly. You have to
Speaker 1: dig deep to find people that are true inspirations that
Speaker 1: actually feed your soul. And I truly feel like NAT's
Speaker 1: one of those people for me, and I'm grateful to
Speaker 1: know her.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine a child making a promise to themselves
Speaker 2: at such a young age and then standing by that
Speaker 2: for years.
Speaker 1: It goes to show you that her being so rooted
Speaker 1: in her faith, it shows you that she was able
Speaker 1: to feel that she had something at a very young
Speaker 1: age that I think a lot of people don't get,
Speaker 1: if ever until later on in life.
Speaker 2: Right and the world is certainly a better place because
Speaker 2: she was faithful to that promise facts.
Speaker 1: I mean, her conviction second to none.
Speaker 2: From a trailer park in Conrod, Texas, to the Cowboys
Speaker 2: Stadium in Arlington and beyond. We're just so grateful for
Speaker 2: Natalie all that she brings to this world and making
Speaker 2: it a beautiful and better place. Thank you so much
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