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Speaker 2: Nick Right. So what Kansas City's becoming? Is New England
Speaker 2: a more entertaining version? So who beat New England in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? The Giant twice by an inch and
Speaker 2: the Eagles on trick plays and maneuvering. You got to
Speaker 2: a point in the AFC, even Young Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Nobody was at the end. They had the cheat code,
Speaker 1: they knew the Rubik's Cube is big. Ben and Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: were not sophisticated enough offensively, Peyton Manning having to go
Speaker 1: to Foxborough again. Andy Dalton, roll your eyes Flacco, you know,
Speaker 1: may be able to do it once. But really they
Speaker 1: mastered the AFC. They had a weak division, they always
Speaker 1: played in Foxborough. They always got the buy for older teams,
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, they win a game and
Speaker 1: they're in the ANFC Championship. That's what Kansas City. That's
Speaker 1: why hard bought of the Chargers is good for the league.
Speaker 1: Now it's like they can't go on a two game
Speaker 1: losing streak. Now, I don't think the Chargers this year
Speaker 1: will quite be there. But I think what the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are becoming is their losses will only be in Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: I do not believe Burrough's health is trustable. I think
Speaker 1: Buffalo and Baltimore this was the year with a young
Speaker 1: KC offense in Kansas City having to travel. I think
Speaker 1: Kansas City is going to be New England. The AFC
Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly because, by the way, there's a really chance
Speaker 1: you're not going to get a quarterback as gift that
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen or as electric as Lamar, or as
Speaker 1: accurate as Burrow. And if they can't do it, you
Speaker 1: may not. They can't.
Speaker 3: And if they can't do it, and two of them,
Speaker 3: two of those three got their shot at him this
Speaker 3: year in their building and lost and lost and with
Speaker 3: a wounded Chiefs team.
Speaker 1: Now, so it's gonna be McVeigh and Stafford that knock
Speaker 1: him out.
Speaker 3: It's going to have to be or it's listen, it's football.
Speaker 3: So weird shit happens, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: There is the you know, you look back on that
Speaker 3: New England run because when you're look at it and
Speaker 3: you're like, how did from you know, the from the
Speaker 3: undefeated season until the sea how did they go seven
Speaker 3: years from that year to the Seattle Super Bowl without winning?
Speaker 3: And you look at it and it's like, there's a
Speaker 3: weird ass game against Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez's Jets.
Speaker 3: There was the game the Ravens just ran for three
Speaker 3: hundred yards, Like so weird stuff happens, yes, but there
Speaker 3: weren't many times it felt like a team just lined
Speaker 3: up and was you know what I mean, better prepared
Speaker 3: and better than them, and they Patriots played their best
Speaker 3: and lost. I you mentioned the Chargers if you were
Speaker 3: advising hardball, so I have been. I'm gonna say so,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna admit something to you that you will laugh at.
Speaker 3: So I have the last two years, almost compulsively. I
Speaker 3: use Pro Football Focuses mock draft tool where and it's
Speaker 3: a great I gotta give them credit. Man, It's a
Speaker 3: really cool thing where you can pick whichever team you
Speaker 3: want to control, and they're you know, their AI will
Speaker 3: draft for the other teams offer trades. Except trades there's
Speaker 3: pretty they have like the trade value chart in there,
Speaker 3: but you can and they have the you know, your
Speaker 3: big board players ranked. You do a seven round draft
Speaker 3: or whatever. And then so I do a lot of those,
Speaker 3: and I send my favorite ones to Brett Beach like,
Speaker 3: hey man, hey go ahead.
Speaker 1: I do the same to Less Snead. Okay, I take
Speaker 1: pictures of mock draft, send it and I say, am
Speaker 1: I close and he will say, we don't, we don't
Speaker 1: do this, we're interested in that, and he'll give me
Speaker 1: very subtle reminders on that what they do.
Speaker 3: So last year I had a guy and I feel
Speaker 3: I felt, you know, I was like, oh man, I've
Speaker 3: ruined my mock draft reputation. And one of the ones
Speaker 3: I sent him, I had the chiefs I won't say
Speaker 3: the kid's name, taking a kid in the second round.
Speaker 3: And he was like, actually, not bad except for your
Speaker 3: second round pick, player X I think is undraftable because
Speaker 3: of some something some whatever. And then I looked. I
Speaker 3: was like, I had the Chiefs taking a guy at
Speaker 3: fifty eight that did not get picked ore by anyone
Speaker 3: in the real drafting, get picked by anyone, but regardless.
Speaker 3: So I'm really more locked into this year's draft class
Speaker 3: than anyone before because I keep doing these mock drafts.
Speaker 3: If you were advising Harble, let's just assume that it
Speaker 3: goes one, two, three, four, Caleb Drake, Jayden or Jayden
Speaker 3: Drake doesn't matter, and that Arizona stands pat it. Four.
Speaker 3: They're like, we're not trading it, We're taking Marvin. So
Speaker 3: you're the Chargers. Yeah, and you have the option to
Speaker 3: take neighbors, to take the tackle all or to trade
Speaker 3: the pick with Minnesota for eleven twenty three and you
Speaker 3: know something else, what would you recommend they do?
Speaker 1: Okay, So you know I am a strong proponent of
Speaker 1: I picked the right career. You have to lean into
Speaker 1: certain advantages. And I use the metaphor all the time.
Speaker 1: Ride the wave. Life presents you with waves. We're all surfers.
Speaker 1: Take the wave. So I and I'll give a story
Speaker 1: to the audience. So when I first moved to Manhattan Beach,
Speaker 1: on Saturdays, i'd get a big coffee at Pete's Coffee
Speaker 1: or something. I would go down and I would watch
Speaker 1: the surfers. I'd walk out to the pier and watch
Speaker 1: the surfers. And what I noticed over the course of
Speaker 1: time is the very best surfers did road the fewest waves.
Speaker 1: They were very selective. They wanted the longest, so they
Speaker 1: chose the best wave. So I used that metaphorically in
Speaker 1: my life a lot. There's things I'm good at, things
Speaker 1: i'm not. I'm no longer trying to in you know,
Speaker 1: fifties and say, trying to prove I'm good at everything.
Speaker 1: About fifteen years ago I came to the conclusion you
Speaker 1: ride the wave of life. And that was and I
Speaker 1: wasn't in Manhattan Beach yet, but it was really a
Speaker 1: crystallized moment where I watched this and I thought, God,
Speaker 1: the smartest surfers, they're not wasting their time on shit.
Speaker 1: They're just waiting an hour for the best wave. So
Speaker 1: if you're Jim Harbaugh, there is a wave you need
Speaker 1: to ride for two years, you have a significant advantage
Speaker 1: over every other NFL coach in college personnel, because Michigan
Speaker 1: only recruits four and five star players.
Speaker 3: You played against these kids, or you're recruited.
Speaker 1: Against you know the odometer, you know all the backstart,
Speaker 1: you've met the parents. So if I'm the Chargers for
Speaker 1: the next two years, years, I do a ton of
Speaker 1: trading down.
Speaker 3: I thought, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And like, I would take the five. I'd say, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you want a quarterback, you move up. We'll take your
Speaker 1: other one, A three or four. Yeah, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: have a wave advantage. Jim knows personnel. This was always
Speaker 1: the problem with Belichick. After he seized power, after you know,
Speaker 1: multiple Super Bowls, he didn't watch games on Saturday. He
Speaker 1: was a terrible drafter. Pete Carroll when he seized control
Speaker 1: for briefly in Seattle Paul Allen's illness. Jody Allen was
Speaker 1: not a football fan. Paul really kept his his thumb
Speaker 1: on the organization. Pete took control the front off the
Speaker 1: drafts went into the tank. You can't do both, Harbaugh
Speaker 1: for two years? Can Pete could early? So I would
Speaker 1: trade I have thought about this. I would trade down twice.
Speaker 1: I would trade down Minnesota to eleven, and then by
Speaker 1: the way because they need they need weird things like
Speaker 1: a center, like a tight end.
Speaker 3: They probably take the in that center from Oregon. I
Speaker 3: think he is the three names he's going to be
Speaker 3: available at twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Yep, they could trade down to eighteen twenty and have
Speaker 1: thirteen picks. So I think again, back to the way
Speaker 1: you have to take. This is what won Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So that's runs in the fifth round.
Speaker 3: As a Chiefs fan, that's so everyone's like, oh, are
Speaker 3: you afraid if the Chargers are gonna get Marvin Harrison
Speaker 3: or Malik Neighbors at five? And I'm like, man, I
Speaker 3: hope they do. Not because those guys aren't good players,
Speaker 3: but because adding a great wide receiver to a team
Speaker 3: that just lost Keenan Allen Mike Williams, that's not going
Speaker 3: to make them, you know, demonstrably better. They have too
Speaker 3: many needs. But if they if they like, like we
Speaker 3: just said, turn five into eleven, twenty three and something else,
Speaker 3: and then are sitting at eleven and say to the
Speaker 3: any team behind Denver and the Raiders who are at
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen, like, hey, do you guys want a quarterback?
Speaker 3: Because these teams do do you want eleven, and now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden they have, you know, seventeen, twenty three,
Speaker 3: a future first, an extra third, all these things. That's
Speaker 3: how the Chargers can very fast get right back into it.
Speaker 3: I have another draft thing that I want to throw.
Speaker 1: At you if I may, Yeah, go ahead, It's okay.
Speaker 3: All right. So people think four quarterbacks can go in
Speaker 3: the top ten, right, the three guys and then JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 3: which I don't understand the JJ McCarthy thing. I'm not
Speaker 3: a college football expert, but one of the teams I
Speaker 3: watched a lot was Michigan, and never once I watched
Speaker 3: Michigan was like, that guy's a future top ten pick.
Speaker 3: But what do I know? Yeah, so those four guys, Marvin,
Speaker 3: Harrison and Neighbors are definitely going in the top ten.
Speaker 3: People think of dunes, they might be able to whatever.
Speaker 3: Let's say those two Joe all the best tackle and
Speaker 3: then maybe another tackle and maybe Brock Bauers, maybe roma
Speaker 3: doones eight. Here's why I say that. I just listed eight,
Speaker 3: maybe nine to ten guys. They're all offensive players. So
Speaker 3: if you're there, this is similar, if to the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one draft, which had all those five quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: they went earlier or whatever. All of a sudden, Micah
Speaker 3: Parsons is on the board at eleven because only two
Speaker 3: defensive players have gone. If you're a team that needs defense,
Speaker 3: you might be able to get the third defensive player
Speaker 3: taken in this draft at pick fifteen. Like that's not
Speaker 3: an exaggeration. Like there'd be the four quarterbacks, three wide receivers,
Speaker 3: Brock Bowers at tight end, two or three tackles that
Speaker 3: everybody loves. That's a dozen players. And so if you
Speaker 3: need a defensive player, you might be able to get
Speaker 3: the best defender in the draft with the eleventh pick
Speaker 3: of the draft. Which is crazy, but I really think
Speaker 3: we could have ten straight offensive players off the board.
Speaker 1: Well, I've never I've been following the draft since as
Speaker 1: long as I can remember, I've never seen it. I
Speaker 1: talked to a scout, I'll just say a scout and
Speaker 1: an executive. A scout. It could have twelve tackles taken
Speaker 1: by the start of the third round.
Speaker 3: You give me a break.
Speaker 1: It's like, we're sixty players in twelve or tackles and
Speaker 1: one of them a kid from Duke. You can slide
Speaker 1: a couple of them. You can slide inside, and I
Speaker 1: think it's appropriate, and I think you and I have
Speaker 1: touched on this. When the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, when Kansas City or Philadelphia
Speaker 1: have literally marched up and down the field against that defense, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Bosas, You've got Armstead, You've got
Speaker 1: at the time, whufunga Fred Warner linebackers marching up. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Demiko Ryans was a d C, a
Speaker 1: brilliant DC. When you can't when San Francisco can't stop people,
Speaker 1: you get to a point of I mean like Kansas
Speaker 1: City was very rare. You were like, it was a
Speaker 1: great defense without outside of Chris Jones, really not household names.
Speaker 1: But I think what you're seeing in the draft, and
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City because what makes their dynasty so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Andy Reid has never had an affinity for power. He's
Speaker 1: an artist. He has an affinity for creativity and play calling.
Speaker 1: So I contend Pete Carroll's dynasty lasts longer. But Pete,
Speaker 1: having been a college guy, he liked controlling personnel. Belichick
Speaker 1: at the end like controlling personnel and he's not into that.
Speaker 1: And what makes this dynasty so frightening is that you're
Speaker 1: never going to have a coach. He's an artist, He's
Speaker 1: not a bit. You know, a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: seek power, and he's never sought power. He seeks a
Speaker 1: good time, creativity and play, design and that that gives
Speaker 1: you a sense of because what broke up the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Shaq and Kobe all dynasties and they start with hard
Speaker 1: work and vision. Resilience and toughness maintains it, and the
Speaker 1: corruption of power ends it. New England, Belichick wanted control Riley,
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Covid control the heatles. At the end, Lebron's like,
Speaker 1: it's aging. I want some control in personnel. Kansas City
Speaker 1: is like San Antonio Spurs. Duncan didn't want it right.
Speaker 1: Duncan had no interest in anything other than being affordable
Speaker 1: to the organization, so the organization couldtrol That's why they'll
Speaker 1: never do a documentary. They'll never do a documentary on
Speaker 1: the Spurs. There was no drama.
Speaker 3: Well, so there's there's Kansas City has a lot of
Speaker 3: edges on the sustainability here, so the and this guy
Speaker 3: deserves credit. John Dorsey was the you know, head personnel
Speaker 3: guy there, Yes, and Andy did want his guy in
Speaker 3: and his guy was Veach. Yeah, Vach, who I think
Speaker 3: Andy told you this? You know, Veach was Andy's assistant,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, like assistant when he
Speaker 3: came in. So they have been together for Veach's whole career.
Speaker 3: Veach also has on his resume that when he was
Speaker 3: a scout, he was the guy who, in mahomes first
Speaker 3: year as a starter, went into the Chiefs and said,
Speaker 3: this is the best football player, the best quarterback I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. We need to get him. And so now
Speaker 3: their process is Andy stays out of it entirely, and
Speaker 3: then Veach and company bring him and Spagnolo. They curate
Speaker 3: the names from five hundred to fifty and say, okay,
Speaker 3: watch you we have our These are our guys that
Speaker 3: we think fit what you want, whatever it is. You guys,
Speaker 3: watch these guys. So instead of I'm gonna watch everyone,
Speaker 3: you guys, watch these guys, give us your thoughts, and
Speaker 3: then we do it accumulatively. There also is, to me
Speaker 3: an element of that helps the Chiefs that Mahomes Andy
Speaker 3: was already a Hall of Famer when Mahomes got there,
Speaker 3: and so there wasn't a Belichick Brady. Neither one of
Speaker 3: us did anything without each other. There was almost like
Speaker 3: a fatherly respect there that one of them has. And
Speaker 3: when Mahomes signed his deal, he said, I wouldn't signed
Speaker 3: this ten year deal without believing Andy's going to be here, right.
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I think is
Speaker 1: fascinating about Caleb Williams is that I think I've told
Speaker 1: you this story when I interviewed a couple of times
Speaker 1: President Obama. They give you by ten minutes to the second,
Speaker 1: that's what they give you, and then they cut you off.
Speaker 1: And so the second time I interviewed him, I asked
Speaker 1: him a question that he clearly wanted to talk about,
Speaker 1: because he gave a long, well thought I'd answer, And
Speaker 1: my question was, you're the first president in my life
Speaker 1: to deal with the vile nature, the aggressive attack dog
Speaker 1: style of social media. Jimmy Carter didn't deal with this, Reagan, Clinton,
Speaker 1: nobody dealt with this, George Bush. And it does, if
Speaker 1: not change policy, it does change the momentum and the
Speaker 1: direction of day to day operations when you're on the
Speaker 1: defense because of social media and reacting to it. And
Speaker 1: the reason I bring this up is So I always
Speaker 1: looked at what he was dealing with, having to have
Speaker 1: a beer with Joe the Plumber because something went sideways
Speaker 1: on social media, which is I mean that guy was adult.
Speaker 1: But the point being is Reagan wouldn't have had to
Speaker 1: do that. He'd have to have dinner with Tip O'Neil,
Speaker 1: not a beer with Joe the Plumber, because you get
Speaker 1: this avalanche downhill on social media. So it's a reality
Speaker 1: of the stakes now, but what it creates, these micro
Speaker 1: avalanches on policy decisions or just equipped from cable TV.
Speaker 1: So similar to Caleb Williams is the first nil superstar
Speaker 1: and so he paints his fingernails, or he jumps into
Speaker 1: the crowd to see his mother, or he's moody on
Speaker 1: the sidelines. No, he gets that because he makes more
Speaker 1: than ninety percent of the coaches in college football. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him that because I remember my first
Speaker 1: contract and I thought I was king shit when I
Speaker 1: was making nothing. And so a twenty two year old,
Speaker 1: so I look at Caleb whenever I hear the pushback
Speaker 1: on there's a little ego, I'm like, have you read Twitter.
Speaker 3: Every years? Counter? Yeah? So here's so here's maybe this
Speaker 3: is too galaxy brain. Yeah, and maybe I'm just too
Speaker 3: pro kalib. But here here would be my if I
Speaker 3: you know, argument is to why that's actually good. Caleb's
Speaker 3: the first one of the first superstar football draft picks
Speaker 3: that we know what he's like with money, for good
Speaker 3: or for bad. It's it's so you understand what I mean,
Speaker 3: like he's not. It's not as you don't worry when
Speaker 3: this guy gets, you know, his first million dollar check,
Speaker 3: is how is he going to go off the deep end?
Speaker 3: Is he gonna you know what I mean? Whatever, However,
Speaker 3: millions of dollars were going to affect him. They already
Speaker 3: have and so for again, you can people can take
Speaker 3: shots at it, but it's a variable removed. You know
Speaker 3: what Caleb Williams is like rich because he's rich already,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and so and maybe it's
Speaker 3: not exactly the way you would like him to act.
Speaker 3: But again you said when you forgot your first contract.
Speaker 3: I I've told you this before. I've never ever judged
Speaker 3: when people talk about a leets blowing money because I
Speaker 3: won fifty grand on who wants to be a millionaire?
Speaker 3: And I blew it immediately and I was smart and
Speaker 3: should have known better. And it was only fifty thousand
Speaker 3: night when I was twenty two. I can't imagine if
Speaker 3: I had, you know, got ten million, what I would
Speaker 3: have thought. But we know what Caleb is like with money.
Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about that. I think that's
Speaker 3: actually a plus. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I anytime you're the first dealing with something, it's difficult, right,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you know, I think about this all the time.
Speaker 1: I was kind of a talented, workaholic mess until I
Speaker 1: was like thirty three with my kids. And by the way,
Speaker 1: dad was a doctor, mom worked in the school, you know,
Speaker 1: lived in the same house. No abuse in my life.
Speaker 1: That's a bit of a mess. How many athletes have
Speaker 1: don't have that structure or don't have you know, somebody
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, I've always known what to do,
Speaker 1: for instance, with money. My dad was in the market,
Speaker 1: my dad had doctor friends. I have a mess until
Speaker 1: I was thirty three, and I think we forget this.
Speaker 1: So now now you have some of these kids and
Speaker 1: these nil kids they get money or these young athletes,
Speaker 1: oh iosa. I don't know what I would have done
Speaker 1: with one hundred thousand. Caleb made like four and a
Speaker 1: half million.
Speaker 3: So that's my point. I do know what at twenty two,
Speaker 3: with a college degree, with educated, smart parents' successful parents,
Speaker 3: I would do with fifty thousand, and the answer is
Speaker 3: gamble and go to the Gentlemen's club every single night
Speaker 3: till it was gone, which is what I did. It
Speaker 3: was gone, I bought a television and nothing and good
Speaker 3: times for two hundred days. One some money, lost some
Speaker 3: money the nights I won. I took my friends out.
Speaker 3: When people are like, oh, these guys are paying for
Speaker 3: everyone else's lifestyle. Of course, because the moment you can
Speaker 3: afford the steakhouse, you don't want to go to the
Speaker 3: to Fudruckers anymore. You just don't, and nobody wants to
Speaker 3: eat alone. So guess what we're all going? It's on me.
Speaker 3: It was again, I'm not an idiot. I knew fifty
Speaker 3: grand at you know, at eight hundred dollars a night,
Speaker 3: fifty grand is not going to last that long, boys,
Speaker 3: but it always felt like it would last longer than
Speaker 3: it did. So yeah, I think everybody people that I'm
Speaker 3: not big into being judgmental on early twenties, because anyone
Speaker 3: who's if you had all your shit together in your
Speaker 3: early twenties. You're boring, God bless you. Yeah, well that's yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're boring, there's no question. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: I think what attracts me to my wife. And so
Speaker 1: Nick has a beautiful wife, obviously, very like my wife, beautiful, stylish.
Speaker 1: You know, we got very lucky and my artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we married artists. And so I'm not offended or
Speaker 1: insecure about my wife's twenties. Uh, I kind of like it.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I really do. I'm always like, wow,
Speaker 1: you were kind of hot stuff, and she was you know,
Speaker 1: she was crazy and bartended and all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I'm like you, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't judge you. It's kind of I got you.
Speaker 1: I ended up with you on this life.
Speaker 3: That's great, what a take. You were out there grinding
Speaker 3: Las Vegas television sports, just trying to make your way
Speaker 3: doing minor league baseball. She was living a real life.
Speaker 3: That that's so funny. That's such a great line. Oh
Speaker 3: my goodness, but it is.
Speaker 1: There is something to be said. We're both married to artists,
Speaker 1: and I think when you're married to artists because I've
Speaker 1: been married to a non artist and an artist I do.
Speaker 1: I'm not judgmental of ant on things because I feel
Speaker 1: like she gives me such breadth, such depth on thought
Speaker 1: and culture and art. I get such depth. She has
Speaker 1: such vision that I artists spill paint. If she was
Speaker 1: an accountant, maybe I'd think differently, But when you're married
Speaker 1: to a creative I'm so fascinated by her ability to
Speaker 1: a do things I can't and her journey that she's
Speaker 1: made me much less judgmental on people. I find her fascinating.
Speaker 3: Well, and so I'll take it to it not a
Speaker 3: different direction, but a kind of build on it. I
Speaker 3: also am. I don't know, I'm fascinating might be the
Speaker 3: wrong word. There's a lot of people, A lot of
Speaker 3: lawyers marry lawyers, you know what I mean. A lot
Speaker 3: of people who are married people that do the same
Speaker 3: type of things and brains kind and.
Speaker 1: They've spent so much time on law they don't have yep.
Speaker 2: But I don't.
Speaker 3: For me, I don't think that would work like I
Speaker 3: think you're the same way in this regard. I have
Speaker 3: too many I am not a like well rounded skills.
Speaker 3: There are a few things I truly believe I'm one
Speaker 3: of the best in the world at poker, and there
Speaker 3: are yeah, there, there you go, and there are a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of pretty basic things that I am just
Speaker 3: an incompetent child. I'm just not good at it. And
Speaker 3: I if I I need my partner to be great
Speaker 3: at the things I suck at. Yah, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean for me to be like you have to
Speaker 3: handle this all handled it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And so there's it is, it would be it would
Speaker 3: be tough for me. I think if I was in
Speaker 3: a relationship with someone who was great at the stuff
Speaker 3: I was great at, and then you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I had the same weaknesses, because then we're both were
Speaker 3: then we're just kind of fucked on certain things. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: if both of us are uncomfortable with the dinner party,
Speaker 3: then how do we go to it? You know? And
Speaker 3: so there's so I think you and I are similar
Speaker 3: in that regard, which is where our holes are in
Speaker 3: our game, so to speak. Our wives kind of fill
Speaker 3: in those blanks and take the lead there, and where
Speaker 3: they're not as comfortable, we can take the lead, which
Speaker 3: is why it works.
Speaker 1: I agree, all right, this was a very dynamic and
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards like dynamic, powerful hour, a vertical hour. We
Speaker 1: closed very well, complementing our beautiful wives. So I'm back
Speaker 1: to Chicago. I'm going to go, as I said on Twitter,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go watch Jason Tatum. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a notepad, a pen, and I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: his late game efficiency. On Monday, I saw that.
Speaker 3: I saw you say that. You you're poking of Celtics fans.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I support. It's it's a unique
Speaker 3: thing because Tatum is now approaching that. Everybody thinks they
Speaker 3: want to be the guy. I want to be the
Speaker 3: faith of the league. I want to be an MVP candidate.
Speaker 3: Well that what comes with that is a different type
Speaker 3: of lens that you're looked at under, and being awesome
Speaker 3: is no longer quite good enough. That's right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so if you want to be
Speaker 3: that guy, then it's like, Okay, this year, the Celtics
Speaker 3: are the best team with the best record, and they're healthy.
Speaker 3: You probably need to win the title, you need to
Speaker 3: do these things, and so it's just it is a
Speaker 3: compliment to be held to that standard. But god, dog,
Speaker 3: it man, that's a hard standard. It's a hard standard
Speaker 3: to live up to for anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's when I was at ESPN, I
Speaker 1: always noticed this about PTI. They don't get any marketing
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, they get a rating, they've been
Speaker 1: doing this a long time. We're not going to promote
Speaker 1: and market that show. We'll promote and market other shows,
Speaker 1: which often don't have legs. And we're asking somebody, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a show have more success and never
Speaker 1: be promoted like PTI. And they're like, well, they're standards different.
Speaker 1: Two guys are stars, they get a number, they're a
Speaker 1: low maintenance, they've have a great producer. And I remember
Speaker 1: and because I said, I said, we promote shows which
Speaker 1: I don't get a third of the audience, I'm like,
Speaker 1: shouldn't you lean in? And they're like, well there's that standard.
Speaker 1: And they're like, steven A, Now first take doesn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of promotion. Steven A's the promotion. You know,
Speaker 1: Tony and Mike were writing columns. That was the promotion.
Speaker 1: So I do think there's a standard for Tatum that
Speaker 1: and this is a great point, like Lebron would get
Speaker 1: to the Finals, and it was like, yeah, of course
Speaker 1: the East is weak. Well, nobody ever else going to
Speaker 1: pass on the conference's week.
Speaker 3: Right. So here's the thing. You and I have consistently
Speaker 3: put Tatum in the tier of somewhere from the sixth
Speaker 3: to the tenth best player. I have them a right
Speaker 3: where Devin Booker lives, you know, in that nighborhood. Basically,
Speaker 3: I like them.
Speaker 1: A little more. I like him more than Booker, but
Speaker 1: it's close me too.
Speaker 3: But it's that. But it's that tier, right, Those guys
Speaker 3: don't get crushed if they don't win the title. Those
Speaker 3: guys it's like, okay, he's really good and not good no,
Speaker 3: if he that that next tier where Yannis Embiid, Joker,
Speaker 3: Luca Durant, Lebron's step obviously for during their primes, where
Speaker 3: those guys live, those guys get crushed if they don't
Speaker 3: win the title. That's just how That's just the way
Speaker 3: the NBA works. And so if you and I were
Speaker 3: being like it looked like we were knocking him by
Speaker 3: not putting him there. Celtics fans and Tatum want him
Speaker 3: to be there, Okay, but now the standard is this,
Speaker 3: you know, as Mike downal wand say. The standard is
Speaker 3: the standard. If you live on the same block as Nikola,
Speaker 3: Jokic and Jannis, you're held to the Nikola, Joki Jana standard.
Speaker 3: God dogged me and that's a hard one. Maybe they'll
Speaker 3: pull it off this year, but that's a hard standard, man.
Speaker 3: So you keep your pin and pad out in Chicago,
Speaker 3: and you you check it out.
Speaker 1: I love being obnoxious, I really do. It's just it's
Speaker 1: a bad.
Speaker 3: You're good at it.
Speaker 1: You're good at it, all right, buddy, see it the volume.
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