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Ince See dknng dot com slash 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: promos for deposit wagering and eligibility restrictions, terms and responsible 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: gaming resources. Welcome into Part two of the podcast with 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: Nick Right. So what Kansas City's becoming? Is New England 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: a more entertaining version? So who beat New England in 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? The Giant twice by an inch and 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: the Eagles on trick plays and maneuvering. You got to 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: a point in the AFC, even Young Mahomes. 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Nobody was at the end. They had the cheat code, 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: they knew the Rubik's Cube is big. Ben and Pittsburgh 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: were not sophisticated enough offensively, Peyton Manning having to go 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: to Foxborough again. Andy Dalton, roll your eyes Flacco, you know, 39 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: may be able to do it once. But really they 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: mastered the AFC. They had a weak division, they always 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: played in Foxborough. They always got the buy for older teams, 42 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, they win a game and 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: they're in the ANFC Championship. That's what Kansas City. That's 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: why hard bought of the Chargers is good for the league. 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: Now it's like they can't go on a two game 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: losing streak. Now, I don't think the Chargers this year 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: will quite be there. But I think what the Chiefs 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: are becoming is their losses will only be in Super Bowls. 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: I do not believe Burrough's health is trustable. I think 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo and Baltimore this was the year with a young 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: KC offense in Kansas City having to travel. I think 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Kansas City is going to be New England. The AFC 53 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly because, by the way, there's a really chance 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: you're not going to get a quarterback as gift that 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: is Josh Allen or as electric as Lamar, or as 56 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: accurate as Burrow. And if they can't do it, you 57 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: may not. They can't. 58 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: And if they can't do it, and two of them, 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: two of those three got their shot at him this 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: year in their building and lost and lost and with 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: a wounded Chiefs team. 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: Now, so it's gonna be McVeigh and Stafford that knock 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: him out. 64 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 3: It's going to have to be or it's listen, it's football. 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: So weird shit happens, right, you know what I mean? 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: There is the you know, you look back on that 67 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: New England run because when you're look at it and 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: you're like, how did from you know, the from the 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: undefeated season until the sea how did they go seven 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: years from that year to the Seattle Super Bowl without winning? 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: And you look at it and it's like, there's a 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: weird ass game against Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez's Jets. 73 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: There was the game the Ravens just ran for three 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: hundred yards, Like so weird stuff happens, yes, but there 75 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: weren't many times it felt like a team just lined 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: up and was you know what I mean, better prepared 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: and better than them, and they Patriots played their best 78 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: and lost. I you mentioned the Chargers if you were 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: advising hardball, so I have been. I'm gonna say so, 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna admit something to you that you will laugh at. 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: So I have the last two years, almost compulsively. I 82 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: use Pro Football Focuses mock draft tool where and it's 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: a great I gotta give them credit. Man, It's a 84 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: really cool thing where you can pick whichever team you 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: want to control, and they're you know, their AI will 86 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: draft for the other teams offer trades. Except trades there's 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: pretty they have like the trade value chart in there, 88 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: but you can and they have the you know, your 89 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: big board players ranked. You do a seven round draft 90 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 3: or whatever. And then so I do a lot of those, 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: and I send my favorite ones to Brett Beach like, 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 3: hey man, hey go ahead. 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I do the same to Less Snead. Okay, I take 94 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: pictures of mock draft, send it and I say, am 95 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: I close and he will say, we don't, we don't 96 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: do this, we're interested in that, and he'll give me 97 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: very subtle reminders on that what they do. 98 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: So last year I had a guy and I feel 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: I felt, you know, I was like, oh man, I've 100 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: ruined my mock draft reputation. And one of the ones 101 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: I sent him, I had the chiefs I won't say 102 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: the kid's name, taking a kid in the second round. 103 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: And he was like, actually, not bad except for your 104 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: second round pick, player X I think is undraftable because 105 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: of some something some whatever. And then I looked. I 106 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: was like, I had the Chiefs taking a guy at 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: fifty eight that did not get picked ore by anyone 108 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: in the real drafting, get picked by anyone, but regardless. 109 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: So I'm really more locked into this year's draft class 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: than anyone before because I keep doing these mock drafts. 111 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: If you were advising Harble, let's just assume that it 112 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: goes one, two, three, four, Caleb Drake, Jayden or Jayden 113 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: Drake doesn't matter, and that Arizona stands pat it. Four. 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: They're like, we're not trading it, We're taking Marvin. So 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: you're the Chargers. Yeah, and you have the option to 116 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: take neighbors, to take the tackle all or to trade 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: the pick with Minnesota for eleven twenty three and you 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: know something else, what would you recommend they do? 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So you know I am a strong proponent of 120 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: I picked the right career. You have to lean into 121 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: certain advantages. And I use the metaphor all the time. 122 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: Ride the wave. Life presents you with waves. We're all surfers. 123 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: Take the wave. So I and I'll give a story 124 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: to the audience. So when I first moved to Manhattan Beach, 125 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: on Saturdays, i'd get a big coffee at Pete's Coffee 126 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: or something. I would go down and I would watch 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the surfers. I'd walk out to the pier and watch 128 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: the surfers. And what I noticed over the course of 129 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: time is the very best surfers did road the fewest waves. 130 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: They were very selective. They wanted the longest, so they 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: chose the best wave. So I used that metaphorically in 132 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: my life a lot. There's things I'm good at, things 133 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: i'm not. I'm no longer trying to in you know, 134 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: fifties and say, trying to prove I'm good at everything. 135 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: About fifteen years ago I came to the conclusion you 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: ride the wave of life. And that was and I 137 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: wasn't in Manhattan Beach yet, but it was really a 138 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: crystallized moment where I watched this and I thought, God, 139 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: the smartest surfers, they're not wasting their time on shit. 140 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: They're just waiting an hour for the best wave. So 141 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: if you're Jim Harbaugh, there is a wave you need 142 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: to ride for two years, you have a significant advantage 143 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: over every other NFL coach in college personnel, because Michigan 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: only recruits four and five star players. 145 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: You played against these kids, or you're recruited. 146 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: Against you know the odometer, you know all the backstart, 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: you've met the parents. So if I'm the Chargers for 148 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: the next two years, years, I do a ton of 149 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: trading down. 150 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: I thought, I totally agree. 151 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: And like, I would take the five. I'd say, Minnesota, 152 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: you want a quarterback, you move up. We'll take your 153 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: other one, A three or four. Yeah, yeah, so you 154 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: have a wave advantage. Jim knows personnel. This was always 155 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the problem with Belichick. After he seized power, after you know, 156 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: multiple Super Bowls, he didn't watch games on Saturday. He 157 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: was a terrible drafter. Pete Carroll when he seized control 158 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: for briefly in Seattle Paul Allen's illness. Jody Allen was 159 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: not a football fan. Paul really kept his his thumb 160 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: on the organization. Pete took control the front off the 161 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: drafts went into the tank. You can't do both, Harbaugh 162 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: for two years? Can Pete could early? So I would 163 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: trade I have thought about this. I would trade down twice. 164 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: I would trade down Minnesota to eleven, and then by 165 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: the way because they need they need weird things like 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: a center, like a tight end. 167 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: They probably take the in that center from Oregon. I 168 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: think he is the three names he's going to be 169 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: available at twenty eight. 170 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: Yep, they could trade down to eighteen twenty and have 171 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: thirteen picks. So I think again, back to the way 172 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: you have to take. This is what won Pete Carroll 173 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So that's runs in the fifth round. 174 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: As a Chiefs fan, that's so everyone's like, oh, are 175 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: you afraid if the Chargers are gonna get Marvin Harrison 176 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: or Malik Neighbors at five? And I'm like, man, I 177 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: hope they do. Not because those guys aren't good players, 178 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: but because adding a great wide receiver to a team 179 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: that just lost Keenan Allen Mike Williams, that's not going 180 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: to make them, you know, demonstrably better. They have too 181 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: many needs. But if they if they like, like we 182 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: just said, turn five into eleven, twenty three and something else, 183 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: and then are sitting at eleven and say to the 184 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: any team behind Denver and the Raiders who are at 185 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: twelve thirteen, like, hey, do you guys want a quarterback? 186 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: Because these teams do do you want eleven, and now 187 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: all of a sudden they have, you know, seventeen, twenty three, 188 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: a future first, an extra third, all these things. That's 189 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: how the Chargers can very fast get right back into it. 190 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: I have another draft thing that I want to throw. 191 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: At you if I may, Yeah, go ahead, It's okay. 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: All right. So people think four quarterbacks can go in 193 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: the top ten, right, the three guys and then JJ McCarthy, 194 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: which I don't understand the JJ McCarthy thing. I'm not 195 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: a college football expert, but one of the teams I 196 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: watched a lot was Michigan, and never once I watched 197 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: Michigan was like, that guy's a future top ten pick. 198 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: But what do I know? Yeah, so those four guys, Marvin, 199 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: Harrison and Neighbors are definitely going in the top ten. 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 3: People think of dunes, they might be able to whatever. 201 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: Let's say those two Joe all the best tackle and 202 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: then maybe another tackle and maybe Brock Bauers, maybe roma 203 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: doones eight. Here's why I say that. I just listed eight, 204 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: maybe nine to ten guys. They're all offensive players. So 205 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: if you're there, this is similar, if to the twenty 206 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 3: twenty one draft, which had all those five quarterbacks and 207 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: they went earlier or whatever. All of a sudden, Micah 208 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: Parsons is on the board at eleven because only two 209 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: defensive players have gone. If you're a team that needs defense, 210 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: you might be able to get the third defensive player 211 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: taken in this draft at pick fifteen. Like that's not 212 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 3: an exaggeration. Like there'd be the four quarterbacks, three wide receivers, 213 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: Brock Bowers at tight end, two or three tackles that 214 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: everybody loves. That's a dozen players. And so if you 215 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: need a defensive player, you might be able to get 216 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: the best defender in the draft with the eleventh pick 217 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 3: of the draft. Which is crazy, but I really think 218 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: we could have ten straight offensive players off the board. 219 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Well, I've never I've been following the draft since as 220 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: long as I can remember, I've never seen it. I 221 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: talked to a scout, I'll just say a scout and 222 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: an executive. A scout. It could have twelve tackles taken 223 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: by the start of the third round. 224 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: You give me a break. 225 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: It's like, we're sixty players in twelve or tackles and 226 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: one of them a kid from Duke. You can slide 227 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: a couple of them. You can slide inside, and I 228 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: think it's appropriate, and I think you and I have 229 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: touched on this. When the San Francisco forty nine ers 230 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, when Kansas City or Philadelphia 231 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: have literally marched up and down the field against that defense, Jesus, 232 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you got Bosas, You've got Armstead, You've got 233 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: at the time, whufunga Fred Warner linebackers marching up. And 234 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: by the way, Demiko Ryans was a d C, a 235 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: brilliant DC. When you can't when San Francisco can't stop people, 236 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: you get to a point of I mean like Kansas 237 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: City was very rare. You were like, it was a 238 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: great defense without outside of Chris Jones, really not household names. 239 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: But I think what you're seeing in the draft, and 240 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: I think Kansas City because what makes their dynasty so fascinating. 241 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: Andy Reid has never had an affinity for power. He's 242 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: an artist. He has an affinity for creativity and play calling. 243 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: So I contend Pete Carroll's dynasty lasts longer. But Pete, 244 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: having been a college guy, he liked controlling personnel. Belichick 245 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: at the end like controlling personnel and he's not into that. 246 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: And what makes this dynasty so frightening is that you're 247 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: never going to have a coach. He's an artist, He's 248 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: not a bit. You know, a lot of these guys 249 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: seek power, and he's never sought power. He seeks a 250 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: good time, creativity and play, design and that that gives 251 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: you a sense of because what broke up the Lakers. 252 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: Shaq and Kobe all dynasties and they start with hard 253 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: work and vision. Resilience and toughness maintains it, and the 254 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: corruption of power ends it. New England, Belichick wanted control Riley, 255 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Covid control the heatles. At the end, Lebron's like, 256 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: it's aging. I want some control in personnel. Kansas City 257 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: is like San Antonio Spurs. Duncan didn't want it right. 258 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,359 Speaker 1: Duncan had no interest in anything other than being affordable 259 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: to the organization, so the organization couldtrol That's why they'll 260 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: never do a documentary. They'll never do a documentary on 261 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: the Spurs. There was no drama. 262 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: Well, so there's there's Kansas City has a lot of 263 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: edges on the sustainability here, so the and this guy 264 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: deserves credit. John Dorsey was the you know, head personnel 265 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: guy there, Yes, and Andy did want his guy in 266 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: and his guy was Veach. Yeah, Vach, who I think 267 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: Andy told you this? You know, Veach was Andy's assistant, 268 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, like assistant when he 269 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: came in. So they have been together for Veach's whole career. 270 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: Veach also has on his resume that when he was 271 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: a scout, he was the guy who, in mahomes first 272 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: year as a starter, went into the Chiefs and said, 273 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: this is the best football player, the best quarterback I've 274 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: ever seen. We need to get him. And so now 275 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: their process is Andy stays out of it entirely, and 276 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: then Veach and company bring him and Spagnolo. They curate 277 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: the names from five hundred to fifty and say, okay, 278 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: watch you we have our These are our guys that 279 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: we think fit what you want, whatever it is. You guys, 280 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: watch these guys. So instead of I'm gonna watch everyone, 281 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: you guys, watch these guys, give us your thoughts, and 282 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: then we do it accumulatively. There also is, to me 283 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: an element of that helps the Chiefs that Mahomes Andy 284 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: was already a Hall of Famer when Mahomes got there, 285 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: and so there wasn't a Belichick Brady. Neither one of 286 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: us did anything without each other. There was almost like 287 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: a fatherly respect there that one of them has. And 288 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: when Mahomes signed his deal, he said, I wouldn't signed 289 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 3: this ten year deal without believing Andy's going to be here, right. 290 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I think is 291 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: fascinating about Caleb Williams is that I think I've told 292 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: you this story when I interviewed a couple of times 293 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: President Obama. They give you by ten minutes to the second, 294 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: that's what they give you, and then they cut you off. 295 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: And so the second time I interviewed him, I asked 296 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: him a question that he clearly wanted to talk about, 297 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: because he gave a long, well thought I'd answer, And 298 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: my question was, you're the first president in my life 299 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: to deal with the vile nature, the aggressive attack dog 300 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: style of social media. Jimmy Carter didn't deal with this, Reagan, Clinton, 301 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: nobody dealt with this, George Bush. And it does, if 302 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: not change policy, it does change the momentum and the 303 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: direction of day to day operations when you're on the 304 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: defense because of social media and reacting to it. And 305 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: the reason I bring this up is So I always 306 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: looked at what he was dealing with, having to have 307 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: a beer with Joe the Plumber because something went sideways 308 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: on social media, which is I mean that guy was adult. 309 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: But the point being is Reagan wouldn't have had to 310 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: do that. He'd have to have dinner with Tip O'Neil, 311 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: not a beer with Joe the Plumber, because you get 312 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: this avalanche downhill on social media. So it's a reality 313 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: of the stakes now, but what it creates, these micro 314 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: avalanches on policy decisions or just equipped from cable TV. 315 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: So similar to Caleb Williams is the first nil superstar 316 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: and so he paints his fingernails, or he jumps into 317 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: the crowd to see his mother, or he's moody on 318 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: the sidelines. No, he gets that because he makes more 319 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: than ninety percent of the coaches in college football. And 320 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him that because I remember my first 321 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: contract and I thought I was king shit when I 322 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: was making nothing. And so a twenty two year old, 323 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: so I look at Caleb whenever I hear the pushback 324 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: on there's a little ego, I'm like, have you read Twitter. 325 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: Every years? Counter? Yeah? So here's so here's maybe this 326 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: is too galaxy brain. Yeah, and maybe I'm just too 327 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: pro kalib. But here here would be my if I 328 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: you know, argument is to why that's actually good. Caleb's 329 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: the first one of the first superstar football draft picks 330 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: that we know what he's like with money, for good 331 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: or for bad. It's it's so you understand what I mean, 332 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: like he's not. It's not as you don't worry when 333 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: this guy gets, you know, his first million dollar check, 334 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: is how is he going to go off the deep end? 335 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: Is he gonna you know what I mean? Whatever, However, 336 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: millions of dollars were going to affect him. They already 337 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: have and so for again, you can people can take 338 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: shots at it, but it's a variable removed. You know 339 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: what Caleb Williams is like rich because he's rich already, 340 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and so and maybe it's 341 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 3: not exactly the way you would like him to act. 342 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: But again you said when you forgot your first contract. 343 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: I I've told you this before. I've never ever judged 344 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: when people talk about a leets blowing money because I 345 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: won fifty grand on who wants to be a millionaire? 346 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: And I blew it immediately and I was smart and 347 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: should have known better. And it was only fifty thousand 348 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: night when I was twenty two. I can't imagine if 349 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: I had, you know, got ten million, what I would 350 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: have thought. But we know what Caleb is like with money. 351 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: You don't have to worry about that. I think that's 352 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: actually a plus. Yeah. 353 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: I anytime you're the first dealing with something, it's difficult, right, 354 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: like sometimes you know, I think about this all the time. 355 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: I was kind of a talented, workaholic mess until I 356 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: was like thirty three with my kids. And by the way, 357 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: dad was a doctor, mom worked in the school, you know, 358 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: lived in the same house. No abuse in my life. 359 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: That's a bit of a mess. How many athletes have 360 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: don't have that structure or don't have you know, somebody 361 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: in there. I mean, I've always known what to do, 362 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: for instance, with money. My dad was in the market, 363 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: my dad had doctor friends. I have a mess until 364 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: I was thirty three, and I think we forget this. 365 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: So now now you have some of these kids and 366 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: these nil kids they get money or these young athletes, 367 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: oh iosa. I don't know what I would have done 368 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: with one hundred thousand. Caleb made like four and a 369 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: half million. 370 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: So that's my point. I do know what at twenty two, 371 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: with a college degree, with educated, smart parents' successful parents, 372 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: I would do with fifty thousand, and the answer is 373 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: gamble and go to the Gentlemen's club every single night 374 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: till it was gone, which is what I did. It 375 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: was gone, I bought a television and nothing and good 376 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: times for two hundred days. One some money, lost some 377 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 3: money the nights I won. I took my friends out. 378 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: When people are like, oh, these guys are paying for 379 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: everyone else's lifestyle. Of course, because the moment you can 380 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: afford the steakhouse, you don't want to go to the 381 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: to Fudruckers anymore. You just don't, and nobody wants to 382 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: eat alone. So guess what we're all going? It's on me. 383 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 3: It was again, I'm not an idiot. I knew fifty 384 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: grand at you know, at eight hundred dollars a night, 385 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: fifty grand is not going to last that long, boys, 386 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: but it always felt like it would last longer than 387 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: it did. So yeah, I think everybody people that I'm 388 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: not big into being judgmental on early twenties, because anyone 389 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 3: who's if you had all your shit together in your 390 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 3: early twenties. You're boring, God bless you. Yeah, well that's yeah, maybe. 391 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're boring, there's no question. I mean, it's just 392 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: I think what attracts me to my wife. And so 393 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Nick has a beautiful wife, obviously, very like my wife, beautiful, stylish. 394 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: You know, we got very lucky and my artists. 395 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 396 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we married artists. And so I'm not offended or 397 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: insecure about my wife's twenties. Uh, I kind of like it. 398 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I really do. I'm always like, wow, 399 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: you were kind of hot stuff, and she was you know, 400 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: she was crazy and bartended and all this stuff. And 401 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I'm like you, I'm like, 402 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: I don't judge you. It's kind of I got you. 403 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I ended up with you on this life. 404 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 3: That's great, what a take. You were out there grinding 405 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: Las Vegas television sports, just trying to make your way 406 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: doing minor league baseball. She was living a real life. 407 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: That that's so funny. That's such a great line. Oh 408 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: my goodness, but it is. 409 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: There is something to be said. We're both married to artists, 410 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: and I think when you're married to artists because I've 411 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: been married to a non artist and an artist I do. 412 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm not judgmental of ant on things because I feel 413 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: like she gives me such breadth, such depth on thought 414 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: and culture and art. I get such depth. She has 415 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: such vision that I artists spill paint. If she was 416 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: an accountant, maybe I'd think differently, But when you're married 417 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: to a creative I'm so fascinated by her ability to 418 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: a do things I can't and her journey that she's 419 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: made me much less judgmental on people. I find her fascinating. 420 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 3: Well, and so I'll take it to it not a 421 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: different direction, but a kind of build on it. I 422 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: also am. I don't know, I'm fascinating might be the 423 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: wrong word. There's a lot of people, A lot of 424 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: lawyers marry lawyers, you know what I mean. A lot 425 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: of people who are married people that do the same 426 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 3: type of things and brains kind and. 427 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: They've spent so much time on law they don't have yep. 428 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: But I don't. 429 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: For me, I don't think that would work like I 430 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 3: think you're the same way in this regard. I have 431 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: too many I am not a like well rounded skills. 432 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: There are a few things I truly believe I'm one 433 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: of the best in the world at poker, and there 434 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: are yeah, there, there you go, and there are a 435 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: whole bunch of pretty basic things that I am just 436 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: an incompetent child. I'm just not good at it. And 437 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: I if I I need my partner to be great 438 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: at the things I suck at. Yah, you know what 439 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: I mean for me to be like you have to 440 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: handle this all handled it, you know what I mean? 441 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 3: And so there's it is, it would be it would 442 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: be tough for me. I think if I was in 443 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: a relationship with someone who was great at the stuff 444 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 3: I was great at, and then you know what I mean, 445 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: I had the same weaknesses, because then we're both were 446 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: then we're just kind of fucked on certain things. It's like, well, 447 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: if both of us are uncomfortable with the dinner party, 448 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: then how do we go to it? You know? And 449 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: so there's so I think you and I are similar 450 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 3: in that regard, which is where our holes are in 451 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: our game, so to speak. Our wives kind of fill 452 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 3: in those blanks and take the lead there, and where 453 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: they're not as comfortable, we can take the lead, which 454 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: is why it works. 455 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I agree, all right, this was a very dynamic and 456 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards like dynamic, powerful hour, a vertical hour. We 457 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: closed very well, complementing our beautiful wives. So I'm back 458 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: to Chicago. I'm going to go, as I said on Twitter, 459 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to go watch Jason Tatum. I'm gonna have 460 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: a notepad, a pen, and I'm going to talk about 461 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: his late game efficiency. On Monday, I saw that. 462 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: I saw you say that. You you're poking of Celtics fans. 463 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I support. It's it's a unique 464 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: thing because Tatum is now approaching that. Everybody thinks they 465 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 3: want to be the guy. I want to be the 466 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: faith of the league. I want to be an MVP candidate. 467 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: Well that what comes with that is a different type 468 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: of lens that you're looked at under, and being awesome 469 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 3: is no longer quite good enough. That's right, you know 470 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: what I mean. And so if you want to be 471 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: that guy, then it's like, Okay, this year, the Celtics 472 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: are the best team with the best record, and they're healthy. 473 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: You probably need to win the title, you need to 474 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: do these things, and so it's just it is a 475 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: compliment to be held to that standard. But god, dog, 476 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: it man, that's a hard standard. It's a hard standard 477 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: to live up to for anybody. 478 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's when I was at ESPN, I 479 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: always noticed this about PTI. They don't get any marketing 480 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: because it's like, well, they get a rating, they've been 481 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: doing this a long time. We're not going to promote 482 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: and market that show. We'll promote and market other shows, 483 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: which often don't have legs. And we're asking somebody, I'm like, 484 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: I've never seen a show have more success and never 485 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: be promoted like PTI. And they're like, well, they're standards different. 486 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: Two guys are stars, they get a number, they're a 487 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: low maintenance, they've have a great producer. And I remember 488 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: and because I said, I said, we promote shows which 489 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't get a third of the audience, I'm like, 490 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: shouldn't you lean in? And they're like, well there's that standard. 491 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: And they're like, steven A, Now first take doesn't get 492 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot of promotion. Steven A's the promotion. You know, 493 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: Tony and Mike were writing columns. That was the promotion. 494 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: So I do think there's a standard for Tatum that 495 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: and this is a great point, like Lebron would get 496 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: to the Finals, and it was like, yeah, of course 497 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: the East is weak. Well, nobody ever else going to 498 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: pass on the conference's week. 499 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: Right. So here's the thing. You and I have consistently 500 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: put Tatum in the tier of somewhere from the sixth 501 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: to the tenth best player. I have them a right 502 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: where Devin Booker lives, you know, in that nighborhood. Basically, 503 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: I like them. 504 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: A little more. I like him more than Booker, but 505 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: it's close me too. 506 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: But it's that. But it's that tier, right, Those guys 507 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: don't get crushed if they don't win the title. Those 508 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: guys it's like, okay, he's really good and not good no, 509 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: if he that that next tier where Yannis Embiid, Joker, 510 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: Luca Durant, Lebron's step obviously for during their primes, where 511 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: those guys live, those guys get crushed if they don't 512 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: win the title. That's just how That's just the way 513 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: the NBA works. And so if you and I were 514 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 3: being like it looked like we were knocking him by 515 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: not putting him there. Celtics fans and Tatum want him 516 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: to be there, Okay, but now the standard is this, 517 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: you know, as Mike downal wand say. The standard is 518 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: the standard. If you live on the same block as Nikola, 519 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: Jokic and Jannis, you're held to the Nikola, Joki Jana standard. 520 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: God dogged me and that's a hard one. Maybe they'll 521 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: pull it off this year, but that's a hard standard, man. 522 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: So you keep your pin and pad out in Chicago, 523 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: and you you check it out. 524 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: I love being obnoxious, I really do. It's just it's 525 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: a bad. 526 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: You're good at it. 527 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: You're good at it, all right, buddy, see it the volume. 528 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast, 529 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: take a moment, rate and review.