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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Zaren, It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do okay, I got one for you? You ready?

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Speaker 3: I do okay. Joey Henny, Joey Henny, you heard that name?

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Speaker 3: No okay?

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Speaker 2: Are we insulting Joey by saying he's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No? Not at all?

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Speaker 2: Oh he's not what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Not at all? Please? Joey Henny is a hero of

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Speaker 3: mine to be a hero of yours. I think once

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Speaker 3: I tell this story. He was a baseball lover like you.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to go to a Phillies Pirates game, but

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Speaker 3: he wanted to take with him his emotional support animal. Now, luckily,

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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Phillies they're very generous and open and inviting

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Speaker 3: to all of this. They actually say on their Phillies

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Speaker 3: official website quote guide Dog service animals or service animals

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Speaker 3: in training are welcome. All other animals are prohibited. So

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Speaker 3: Joey Henny's like, awesome, I can take my service animal

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Speaker 3: with me to the Phillies game. Because he'd been battling depression.

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Speaker 3: He's an older cat, this Joey, and he's been having

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Speaker 3: a tough go so he brought with him his buddy Wally. Right,

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Speaker 3: So he and Wally went to the Phillies game. The

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Speaker 3: Phillies were like when he gets to the stadium, not

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Speaker 3: the actual team, but the administ you know, like the

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Speaker 3: officials for the stadium, They're like, oh, sorry, you can't come.

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Speaker 3: He's like, what are talking about. I looked on the

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Speaker 3: website says service animals, Like, sir, you cannot bring your

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Speaker 3: animal in. He's like, it says I can. Have you

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Speaker 3: seen your website It says I can bring service animals, Like, sir,

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Speaker 3: that is an alligator.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is an emotional support His.

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Speaker 3: Service animal was an alligator. He tried. He tried to

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Speaker 3: take an alligator to a Phillies game. He was denied.

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Speaker 3: He had him on a leash. It wasn't like he

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Speaker 3: was just in a paper bag.

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Speaker 2: I know there are people who use emotional support animals legitimately,

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Speaker 2: but I also know that that is highly abused. There's

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Speaker 2: a difference between a service animal and a support animal.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, but he said, Well, according to Henny,

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Speaker 3: he told the Washington Post, when he turns his nose

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Speaker 3: towards you, that means he expects a kiss. He's super

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Speaker 3: sweet natured.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, sure, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like emotional support it.

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Speaker 2: Did he buy a ticket for the wally had a seat?

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Speaker 3: I suppose, so I don't know I was in it.

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Speaker 2: I'm there with an alligator looking right at.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous, so hard, ridiculous, So phillies.

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Speaker 2: Phillies, that's incredible. Do you want to what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, please waiting until the main course to strike. This

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Speaker 2: is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Damn right.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes Erin, I hear about crimes that are so well

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Speaker 2: bad about them.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean? Like?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not talking about violent crimes or like

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Speaker 2: the workers. No, my heart swells when I read about

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Speaker 2: a crime against fat cats.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I know you're pro crime and it comes

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Speaker 3: to fat.

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Speaker 2: Cats, especially when it's like really well thought out and

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Speaker 2: it's super like you criminal too, goly, I do you

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Speaker 2: know everything's so out of balance right that, like the

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Speaker 2: richest of the rich, they live on another planet. Man

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Speaker 2: like they're for most Like if they lost half of

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Speaker 2: their worth, they wouldn't even feel it, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like if you took half my stuff, I'd be in

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Speaker 2: a hole in the ground.

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, give me back that five dollars exactly.

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Speaker 2: Like so, like I wouldn't commit a crime unless someone

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Speaker 2: I loved was in imminent danger.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you are not a criminal.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a criminal, but I silently root for the

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Speaker 2: bad guys who do good in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you do, the moralistic outlaws.

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Speaker 2: Boy, how do you do I have one for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this crew chef's kiss.

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Speaker 3: It's a crew.

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Speaker 2: It's a crew. Peter Salerno. Is that name ring a bell?

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Speaker 3: He kind of does say.

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Speaker 2: It with me? Peters. He was born in nineteen thirty

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Speaker 2: His mom took off when he was young looking for

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Speaker 2: little recompense. And he was fit. He was like super buff.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm buff, I want nice things.

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Speaker 3: How do I make this colero.

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Speaker 2: He befriended the boxers Rocky Graziano and Jake Lamatta. Wow,

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Speaker 2: and they became his mentors and taught him how to fight.

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Speaker 3: Oh so he's like a thick dude. Oh yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: He had anger issues.

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Speaker 3: You told me he hung up with Jake Lamata.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right there, it's under standable.

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Speaker 3: You can't hang out with Jaglamant unless you understand his

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Speaker 2: Which I get. You know, there weren't a lot of

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Speaker 2: Peter Sealerno, he had a friend named Johnny, Johnny Savino.

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Speaker 2: So this is John John Senior, Big John Savino big,

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Speaker 3: He was big John.

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Speaker 2: He was like a huge dude. Like everyone knew him too,

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Speaker 2: to the Genovesei crime family. Good for him, Uh, Sealerno,

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Speaker 2: I knew you'd like that. Hey, So Seleerno, this troubled

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Speaker 2: He hooked up with a rich dude. It's like, can

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Speaker 2: that night Sealerno struck. He goes back to their brownstone

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Speaker 2: went to the bank. He's like, he's got to be

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Speaker 3: Oh so they were Big John's crew.

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Speaker 2: They were Big John's crew. So you know, he's giving

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Speaker 2: So Savino starts giving him jobs and most of them

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Speaker 2: involves stealing safes, and so they would wet. They would Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they'd take the safe back to the Savino house, empty

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Speaker 2: him out, somehow pop them open, and then they buried

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Speaker 2: Which I just keep thinking the future residence, Like, is

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Speaker 2: someone going to move into a house in Yonkers and

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Speaker 2: then want to put a pool in Saints in the ground?

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Speaker 3: Amazing?

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Speaker 2: So Savino he sees big things for Seleerno and his

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Speaker 2: criming arts. He knew just the thing to help that along.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what Bova is? These nuts?

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Speaker 3: Seriously, it's familiar.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a man named Frank Bova.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so you got me to I did.

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Speaker 2: Frank Bova, he told which every time I was typing this,

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Speaker 2: Frank Bova.

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Speaker 3: You're still read in the face.

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Speaker 2: So Frank Bova, these nuts told people that at one

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Speaker 2: And he said that all these top secret missions had

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Speaker 2: For twenty years, he was one of the world's best burglars. Bova.

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Speaker 2: He delivered with Peter Salerno. Bova's targets were generally wealthy. Uh,

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Speaker 2: There you go, exactly, you were, Bova. So they climbed

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Speaker 2: I mean they could see everyone inside and enjoying. Cool

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Speaker 2: So at first he found nothing, and then he stumbled

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Speaker 2: He made us escape. Bova's still outside just sitting there

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Speaker 2: on one of the twins, Lauria, ten years his junior

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Speaker 3: Like teen, my impulses, Stone, you can't be like.

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Speaker 2: As you can guess, though, he won her over. He

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a man competing with boys.

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Speaker 2: Well there's a problem, though, Sellerno. He's twenty five. He's

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Speaker 2: the problem. He was married and had four kids. Oh.

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Speaker 2: He and his wife got together when he was like seventeen, like.

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Speaker 3: This is the same guy who did not want to

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Speaker 3: end up like his father. Yeah, and he totally exceeded.

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Speaker 2: Yes, raced past him, raced right by. So Seleerno, he's like,

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Speaker 2: I really want to get with Gloria. Gloria's parents not

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Speaker 3: Gary parents my boss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's right, mobbed up, I mobbed up boss. He

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Speaker 2: Sellerno had bought a house with all this money.

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Speaker 3: He's been making money.

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Speaker 2: So he gave his wife the house and then got

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Speaker 3: Good to go there.

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Speaker 2: No one knew about their secret marriage. And then a

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Speaker 2: Okay, and the family, you know, so his family's growing,

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Speaker 2: his criminal enterprises, everything's swelling, everything's swelling. Let's take a break.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll follow Sellerno as his star

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Speaker 2: rises as a cat burglar. Hello Zaren, Hello Elizabeth, Hello,

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Speaker 2: so nice to see you. Peter Sellerno.

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Speaker 3: Yes, my guy, kind of I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You'll see. He was quickly becoming the world's greatest cat burglar,

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Speaker 2: replacing his teacher Frank Bova. Say it both of these

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Speaker 3: Wait, yours mine mine? Okay, So I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: play along with your games making fun of me, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Back in nineteen sixties, there was someone else calling Peter

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Speaker 2: it while drunk and in public. And that's someone was

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Speaker 2: John Saviano's thieving daughter, Dolores, of the crime ring.

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Speaker 3: That she had.

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Speaker 2: So she got wasted at a nightclub one night and

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Speaker 2: and then she slams ten thousand dollars in cash on

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Speaker 2: Peter Salerno names names.

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Speaker 3: She's de Niro's worst nightmare.

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Speaker 2: I think I think most people in the club just

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Speaker 3: Except for the one person who'd be listening.

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Speaker 2: The guitar player.

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Speaker 3: I see, there's always the one person.

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Speaker 2: I think that's Sirio Dominic Lttella, the guitar player. He

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: He was a posh mama's boy. When he was in

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Speaker 2: big time laugh at him. So Littella he fell in

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Speaker 2: with bad kids though, and unlike the Savino family, his

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Speaker 3: Were they trying to be good Americans? They didn't want

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Speaker 2: He was her special, precious baby, should never do anything wrong.

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Speaker 3: He's you know.

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Speaker 2: So they told the parents told Littella that he had

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Speaker 3: I know that feels.

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Speaker 2: When he wasn't criming, he moonlighted as a guitar player

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Speaker 2: at a nightclub, and that's where he heard Dolores Savino

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Speaker 2: brag about working with Peter Salerno. He wanted to do that.

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Speaker 2: I want to work with him.

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Speaker 3: Does he take resumes? I just show him a job

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Speaker 3: I've done.

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Speaker 2: I get well, so Sealerno. Meanwhile, he had moved the

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Speaker 2: entire Savino family down to Florida. He bought John and

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Speaker 2: his wife a restaurant at the Tangiers Resort and motel.

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Speaker 2: They're living the good life. Sealerno was down there too,

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Speaker 2: he had a business. Gloria is down their whole family.

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Speaker 3: He's like, bounce into Cuba at this point. Maybe no,

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Speaker 3: it's sixty three. I've been waiting fie your family.

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Speaker 2: He's doing so as luck would have it. Lttella's family.

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Speaker 2: Like I said in the Savino Orbit, they're friends with

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Speaker 2: whole lot of Italian Americans down here right now that

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Speaker 2: I know, and we're feeling a little lost. So they

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Speaker 2: started inviting friends from back home to come and stay.

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Speaker 2: One of them, the Lttella family, come down. Okay, Fate

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Speaker 2: takes over because Latella, now, oh, I heard that Peter

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Speaker 2: Sellerno is like the world's best burglar. He's right here.

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Speaker 2: Lttella tracks him down, begs to be taught the ways

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 2: He's working as Sealerno's accomplice logistics man lookout. But this

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Speaker 2: Littella pooped his pants literally like a lot. Oh so

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00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: much so that he had to wipe himself on the

435
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 2: luxurious drapes in the homes dining room. It was so bad.

436
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: Smell was terrible, it was everywhere.

437
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 3: Was it nerves?

438
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 2: It was nerves?

439
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's the worst. He was not having

440
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: a second job on my crew, that is it. I'm sorry.

441
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 2: In the early days of their career together, he would

442
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: often get so nervous that he had to poop. No,

443
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: he was always the lookout because you tell him, like

444
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: you wait out here.

445
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 3: In the bush. The whole car. Oh, the lookout. Okay,

446
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 3: not in a car, stuck in the bushes.

447
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: Letter rip. They gave him a nickname Diarrhea Don, and

448
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 2: they kept it for his whole Everyone called him Diarrhea Do.

449
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: But he was able to recover.

450
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: You know, he worked through recovered from diarrhea.

451
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: Wiping your poop on the on the drapes.

452
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: Do you think he did like the towel move like baking,

453
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: drying your back, but through the legs.

454
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: I have all these these descriptors. I'm not going to

455
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 2: say anything, so anyway, Lttella.

456
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: The heavy side of the soft side, you know, there's

457
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: like there's like the inner sheet. I think he's I

458
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 3: didn't even for the thicker one. He wanted a maximum

459
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 3: coverage and absorbancy.

460
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 2: Just doing a lot of scooping. So Lttella, he's not

461
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: only you know, covered in his own feces. He's also

462
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 2: sweet on a Savino daughter one lucky girl Gloria's twins, Sondra. Now,

463
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: like where Gloria was like the good girl, Sondra is

464
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: kind of like a rare Yeah, maybe she likes the poop.

465
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: She wasn't she wasn't interested, she wasn't interested in Diarrhia

466
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: Don No, she had a creepy boyfriend and her parents

467
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 2: were totally over him. So they're like, let's set her

468
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: up with Diaria don.

469
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 3: No, he's a nice boy. Why do they not like

470
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: this girl?

471
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: So Littella. He got the gig with Selearno basically because

472
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: the Savino family was like, this guy looks good. He

473
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: obeys his mom, like they don't really know about the poopins,

474
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: and so they're like, let's get him a gig with

475
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: Seleerno being the you know, the high skuy get some cash,

476
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: and then that's wooing money. The rest is history. So

477
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 2: they wind up together. Oh my god, Gloria.

478
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: How did your mom meet your dad? Story?

479
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: Well, actually, there's he dressed terribly here. He wore like

480
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: shorts and sandals all the time. Don doesn't wear shorts, hello,

481
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: And so it was Sandra who was like, no, I'm

482
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: sorry that don doesn't wear shorts and you need actual

483
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: She just taught him to dress because the mom was

484
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: buying all this basically, So, Gloria, she's leaping through a

485
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: copy of Town and Country magazine one day at a

486
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: store and she notices that there are a lot of

487
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 2: photos of like phenomenal homes and stories about upcoming parties.

488
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: So she takes the magazine to her husband, Peter Salerno,

489
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know what, this is a great

490
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: source of targets, just like a look book right here.

491
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: So Sealerno and Tella they stopped finding homes to rob,

492
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: either by like getting mob tips or just driving around neighborhoods. Instead,

493
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: they prepared by creating a leads list. By using Forbes

494
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: Magazine's list of the wealthiest people in America, they found

495
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: addresses in Who's Who in America. They studied photo spreads

496
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: and architectural digests and town and country, and then they

497
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 2: went through all the society columns and newspapers for announcements

498
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: of like who's in town and who's hosting big parties.

499
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: Damn, ABC always be crimeing smart coffee is for closers.

500
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 3: This is amazing. You got the good lead shit.

501
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, like people loved to show off

502
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: their obscene wealthy and Seleerno and Lotella took advantage of that.

503
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 2: You know, they're putting it out there in the public.

504
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: All this information and the mansions were enormous. So Bova's

505
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: technique of sneaking in while the parties were going on

506
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: was perfect. So like guests, they get summoned by these

507
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: butlers and these maids to go and have these absolutely

508
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: huge dinners, multiple course dinners that could take hours and

509
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: hours in this like you know, way situated dining room

510
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: so they can see out to like maybe part of

511
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: the yard, but it's it's not, you know, noisy for

512
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: the rest of the house. It would have been rude

513
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: to get up and leave the table. You don't, you know,

514
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: you don't get up and wander around or anything, get bored.

515
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: And the staff, the staff is super busy in the

516
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: kitchen and the dining room.

517
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if you were like one of these guests, Elizabeth,

518
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: and you're like, I am kind of nosy. Imagine if

519
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: you excuse yourself to go the bathroom. You go to

520
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: these second story upstairs bathroom. You're going down, you're feeling

521
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: patting along the carpetage walk, and all of a sudden,

522
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: you hear a noise and this guy pokes out. He's

523
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: got on a mask and like a pillowcase diary. Don

524
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 3: You're like, I've heard about you, no but honestly, like

525
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: you had that moment. I can't imagine as a criminal

526
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 3: thinking that that would be it's a good move, but

527
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: it really limits.

528
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: There are a couple of years random they're upstairs in

529
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: these mansions. No one's going upstairs, Like if you have

530
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: to step away to powder room, it's notstairs. So the

531
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: rest of the house is like completely deserted.

532
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: I get it.

533
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: And so also when everyone's home, no alarms are set.

534
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, genius. Isn't that incredible? And a lot of

535
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: the things I read too, are that some of the

536
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: older homes like they didn't have air conditioning the way

537
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: that we did, so we leave the windows open air thing. Yeah.

538
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: So according to Peter Sellerno quote, they never expect you.

539
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: They don't expect anybody to be in there with them

540
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: while they're having dinner.

541
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so busy and engage.

542
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then Ltela talking about Seleerno quote, it's remarkable,

543
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: but he had this sixth sense of finding it. And

544
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: you're talking about a big master suite with dressing areas,

545
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, closet areas. If it was there, he found it.

546
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: And then Sealerno backs it up. A lot of them

547
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: didn't even know it was gone till the following day.

548
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 2: So it's just in and out they considered themselves gentlemen, thieves.

549
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: They never carried guns, no weapons, they were never violent,

550
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: and if they had to, they'd leave empty handed.

551
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah you gotta yeah, cut and run.

552
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: So there were this rash of burglaries in both New

553
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: York and like the Tony areas.

554
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: Connecticut, upstate in Connecticut.

555
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like Long Long Island, uh that way, yeah,

556
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: and then it's Florida. So they're hitting both like they

557
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: go for the winter, they go down winter in Florida. Precisely.

558
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: The cops are catching on, they see the pattern. Some

559
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: are calling them the fat Cat burglars, but they eventually

560
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: became known as the dinner set gang. So they targeted

561
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: the dinner set, the wealthy folks. You know, their schedules

562
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: revolve around social events, not work. The dinner set.

563
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. So although I kind of like the fact a lot.

564
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: So one day, sealernosaw ad for an inflatable raft.

565
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: Like a zodiac with the out the harder kind.

566
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not like a pool float.

567
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

568
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: It was amazing, guys.

569
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: It was a unicorn like the plastic candle paddles. They

570
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: come apart with too much water.

571
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: No zodiac, and so he knew it would be the

572
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: perfect way to get at beach front properties because like

573
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: Palm Beach, Long Island sounds Gold Coast. Those are the

574
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: homes of some of the richest people in America, oh

575
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: sometimes in the world, and they were pretty much inaccessible.

576
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: On unless you get from the water.

577
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: It's huge fences, long driveways, but not anything at the

578
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: water line. So if you come in and out on

579
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: the water, there are also no roadblocks, nothing.

580
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: The thing is the sheriff's Yeah, sriff.

581
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Boats exactly, so Sealerno and Ltella. They followed their targets

582
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: with the seasons. Like I said, north to Connecticut and

583
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: New York, Palm Beach for the social season, and they

584
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: hit all the big names. DeWitt Wallace, founder of Readers Digest,

585
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: and from that family they got one hundred and sixty

586
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars worth of jewels while Wallace and his

587
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: wife were finishing their dessert. The heiress to the Flagler

588
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: Railroad fortune five million dollars stolen while she hosted a

589
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: black tie dinner nice in and out. From nineteen seventy

590
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: one to nineteen seventy two, they hit more than a

591
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: dozen homes on the Gold coast. Yeah, Zarin close you

592
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: ass Oh yes, I want you to picture it. It's

593
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: January nineteen seventy three. You are inside a large estate

594
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: north of Palm Beach, Florida, on Juno Beach. There is

595
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: but one road in and out from the mansion to

596
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. You are a spera fitted

597
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: sheet belonging to Sir John Rupert Hunt Thoron and his wife,

598
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Lady Thoron, also known as Esther Driver DuPont, heir to

599
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: the DuPont fortune.

600
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, these are some rich.

601
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: Folks, and you are a very expensive fitted sheet. You

602
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: are a spa to be exact, the finest pure Egyptian

603
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: cotton made in Italy, some of the most expensive bedding

604
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: in the world. You aren't used much on the bed,

605
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean you aren't doing a job. You

606
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: are well laundered and you sit in the linen closet.

607
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: You are wrapped tightly around a leather traveling case belonging

608
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: to Lady Thoron. The case is covered in all manner

609
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: of custom stamps and stickers from far flung exotic locales.

610
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: As you sit in the linen closet, a lavender sachet

611
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: tucked behind you. You hear the staff ring the dinner

612
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: bell of Sir and Lady Thorn. You are a magical

613
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: sheet that can hear and see, and taste and smell.

614
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: You are a marvel. You are Italian.

615
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: You dare right.

616
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 2: After a while, you also hear the sound of an

617
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: outboard motor out on hoby sound. It draws closer, but

618
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: this is nothing new. Plenty of people toodle up and

619
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: down the sound even after dark. You have an incredible

620
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: bat like hearing, though I mean the sheets are expensive

621
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: for a reason. You hear the sound of two people

622
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: alighting from the boat you heard and making their way

623
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: up the beach to the house. A moment later, you

624
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 2: hear a quiet rattle at the French doors leading from

625
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: the bedroom to a balcony, A little pop, and then

626
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: you hear the wind outside. Someone has made it into

627
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: the house. You hear footsteps approaching. Your cotton heart beats faster.

628
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: The darkness of the linen closet is pierced with light.

629
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: As the doors to the closet swing open, you can

630
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: hear rustling. Someone is pawing their way through the either bedding.

631
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: Please please, please please leave. You think I have a

632
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: job to do. Then you feel it, hands, gloved hands.

633
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: You are petrified as the hands squeeze you tight, violating

634
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: your smooth fabric. The hands feel the leather, valise and

635
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: freeze you let out a silent screen. You can see,

636
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: you can hear, you can smell, but you can't speak.

637
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: You are mute.

638
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: As the hands unfold you're carefully tucked corners. Do you

639
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: know how hard that was to achieve? Your charge is

640
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: now exposed. The hands rub over the exterior of the case,

641
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: taking in the stamps and stickers and fine leather. The

642
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: hands open the case. You hear a little gasp. The

643
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: owner of the hands is awestruck by what he sees.

644
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: In the case are twenty five carrot and twenty two

645
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: carrot sapphires, a five carrot marquise diamond, and a flawless

646
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: seventeen carrot natural pink pear shaped diamond worth one point

647
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: eight million dollars. That's almost twelve point five million dollars today.

648
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: The hands set down the case and make a half

649
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: hearted effort to fold you back up. Then, just as

650
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: quickly as the two men arrived, they dash away into

651
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: the night. Salerno and Littella made off with twelve million

652
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: dollars of jewels that night in total, which is almost

653
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: eighty three million dollars today. Wow, the DuPont's running deep

654
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: with jewels. So the two of them go to New

655
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: York to celebrate with their fence.

656
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: Who's their fence, Elizabeth?

657
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: In an interview with sixty Minutes, Salerno himself routed out

658
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: the fence. Quote a guy named Wally Gans who was

659
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: at the forty side. Who is It's the forty seventh

660
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Street Diamond Exchange, which is the biggest exchange in the world.

661
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: To me, I mean, you know, I've been under the ground.

662
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: They had their own vaults, they don't go to banks.

663
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: They got more diamonds and cash there than God.

664
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: Please tell me he was dead at the time.

665
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Salerno and Littella, they were paid ten cents

666
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: on the dollar, and that was the going rate for

667
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: stolen gems. Plus they had to kick up to the

668
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: mafia on top of that. Plus Gans didn't always give

669
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: them fair value.

670
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: For the hot live of course not, but they still

671
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: did quite all. It's all free money to him, exactly.

672
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: So after the DuPont and Flagler jobs, Gans and his

673
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: wife retired to North Miami, beach Gans was a suspect

674
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: in all manner of illegal activities, but he was never indicted.

675
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: No look at him slippery.

676
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: I know. So Sealerno and a Latella flush with cash. Soandra,

677
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: she said, the Lttella's wife bag's full suitcase is full.

678
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: We would put it in envelopes of twenty thousand dollars

679
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: at a time, and I can remember having to go

680
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: to the safe deposit box and changing it because I

681
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: couldn't put another envelope in it, like they had to

682
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: keep upgrading.

683
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: I were using it as like a paper weight. I

684
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: was like reading something. I just put money on top.

685
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: Well, no, listen, Gloria. She had a four hundred dollars

686
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: a week allowance. She said she used to collect random

687
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: cash that she found in her husband's pockets and she

688
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: would then put it all in a bank account. And

689
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: then once Selerno he needed cash to hire a lawyer,

690
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: so she went to the bank and withdrew everything that

691
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: she that she had found over the years, brought it

692
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: home in an envelope. They dump it out on the

693
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: dining room, able to count it. Two hundred and fifty

694
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: thousand dollars.

695
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I mean this is they had pocket change

696
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: that was literal pocket.

697
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: Change, chump change. So an uncle of his like to

698
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: joke quote, they're in the iron and steel business. She

699
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: irons and he steals, hey, hey, please tip my waitress.

700
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: And with that we'll take a break and then I'll

701
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: let you know how things are going in the steel business.

702
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: Welcome, hey Elizabeth, Hello Elizabeth.

703
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Ads so good. I want more. Welcome to Dateline nineteen

704
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: seventy five.

705
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: Oh I brought the wrong.

706
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: Pants seventy five. Seleerno got arrested and convicted on a

707
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: federal drugs charge. Oh, he got set up by a

708
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: rival burglar and who wanted in on his turf. That's

709
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: one of the stories that you hear. So he served

710
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: time at the Atlanta Federal Correctional Facility.

711
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: Not a place to do, no time.

712
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: And he but like, here's the thing. He agreed to

713
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: cooperate with the Feds in exchange for a shorter sentence.

714
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: He's like, this is not good. I want out of here.

715
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: What do you want?

716
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, who do you want?

717
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you anything, because remember he's in the mob

718
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: orbit but he's not made.

719
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not America. He has no vows of silence.

720
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: Nope, so nineteen eighty he testified against a mob underboss

721
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: on Yellow Delacroce. He stated that he was with mobsters

722
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: in Lonzo's restaurant in New York Cities, Little Italy, and

723
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: he heard Delacroce order a hit on a guy who

724
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: was later found dead in a parking lot. So he

725
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: was a witness to this order. In exchange for his testimony,

726
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: he and his family went into witness protection.

727
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: That's all it took.

728
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: Round all took. He needed it, dude, Dela Croce put

729
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: a price on his head of one hundred thousand dollars.

730
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: He was a mob boss, mob boss then he wasn't

731
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: like he said, he was an underboss, but he actually

732
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: had real power.

733
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: He had power. Yeah. And so Peter Salerno's witsect name

734
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: is amazing, by the way, Pierre John Carden really Yeah,

735
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Pierre Cardan the little John off.

736
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: In Macy's, and they would kind of come up with

737
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: a name like Pierre what's your middle name? John John Carden.

738
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: So he was getting income from the Feds until he

739
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: could get himself established, but he never really like got

740
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: him self established. So but Sealerno and Ltella, as well

741
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: as their families, they got new names, and then they

742
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: spent the next eight years living in Washington, Minnesota, Oregon.

743
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: They moved around a bit. While in protection, Selerno worked

744
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: on a gym invention that he was calling the Mighty Bender.

745
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: And it doesn't look like anything ever came of that.

746
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: I tried to find it. That's a crime. There's my crime.

747
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: Boom.

748
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, in eighty five, the government money ran out and the.

749
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Family how does that work? Do you know how the

750
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: witness protection? Like do they give you, like, we'll give

751
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 3: you ten years worth of money or what.

752
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: I understand is that they'll get Yeah, they'll give you

753
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: ten years or like if you can start generating enough money,

754
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: like if you get a job and do that kind

755
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: of stuff, then you know it tapers off or whatever.

756
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: But there is like a hard deadline and it looks

757
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: like it's five years of like get a job or

758
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: we cut you off. And so then they just start

759
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: moving from hotel to hotel because they don't have this

760
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: solid income. Gloria, she didn't miss the jewels and the

761
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: luxury cars. She missed like the simple days of Oregon.

762
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: She was a girl Scout troop mom and like way

763
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: all up in the PTA's all about it my drama.

764
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: Salerno was a baseball coach. Here's my baseball coach, peerre Carden.

765
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: How do you do? Who has like the coach? And

766
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: he's got like a thick New York Italian American accent.

767
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: They hung out at the library. The whole family went

768
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: to the library all the time. Silerno did a little

769
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: gem research there, but you know, as a treat. So

770
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: when they were in Minnesota, they learned about the Pillsbury

771
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: Mansion in Minneapolis, which has since been torn down.

772
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: I understand.

773
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they hit it successfully under the watch of

774
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: the US Marshall Service. So he does he robs the

775
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: Pillsbury mansiones while in witness protection.

776
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: From his bosses, the US government. Yes, he was hitting

777
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: his boss. I like this.

778
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: Eighty six, Seleerno got busted for attempted burglary in Hollywood, Florida.

779
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: The homeowner's son hits Seleerno over the head with a trophy.

780
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Oh and then he got convicted and sentenced to twelve years.

781
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: These are the surprises I'm talking about in home at burglaries,

782
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: getting hit in the head with the trophy.

783
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: He's just all not on my.

784
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: Watch, Yeah, exactly. Once again, teenagers always try me. I

785
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: am not the one I've been waiting for this.

786
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: I want this reason to dreaming of that. That's totally

787
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: like you know when kids are like, I'll fight him,

788
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: and I'll exactly I hit him with the trophy to me,

789
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: I told Jim.

790
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

791
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: So, but here's the thing, Seleerno. He gets released in

792
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: order to help law enforcement because agents told the judge

793
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: that he was more helpful to them outside than inside.

794
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: So, in uh January of nineteen eighty eight, he gets

796
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: caught again, this time tumbling over a wall in his

797
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: subdivision in Boca Raton where there had already been two robberies. Like,

798
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: how far has he fallen?

799
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: He's now like an old cat where he can't make

800
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: the same job, get a little clumsy.

801
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, to like a Boca Raton subdivision, subdivision.

802
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: That's so believable. And he was nothing of offense subvision

803
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: but for the thief.

804
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was with his wife and his sister in law,

805
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: and it didn't clarify. I don't know if that was Sandra,

806
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: if it was Lttella's wife, or it was Dolores. Oh,

807
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: that's another sister in law. Anyway, his wife was there.

808
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: One of the sisters in law, and then another dude.

809
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: He was wearing a ski mask and he had a

810
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: stolen nine millimeters semi automatic gun on him, which is

811
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: very out of care rules. Yeah, and he was ordered

812
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: to continue that twelve year sentence that they had gotten

813
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: him out of. An agent said to the judge, quote,

814
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: he violated our trust and he violated your trust. And

815
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: Salerno said, I have no guilt. I have nothing to hide.

816
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: I did not disgrace this court and I did not

817
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: disgrace you.

818
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: Okay, dude, I don't think you get to decide that.

819
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: Probably no offense. I mean it's a great theory.

820
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: Salerno is a term Steve Cole. He said that it

821
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: was Sealerno's winning personality, this likable personality that was helping

822
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: him infiltrate other crime rings that were not affiliated with them.

823
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: And so apparently he helped out with a narcotics investigation

824
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: that spanned South Florida, Vegas, DC in New York. His

825
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: attorney said, quote, these individuals will welcome him with open arms.

826
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: So it was like, yeah, you know, it takes one

827
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: in no one. So when Seleerno got out of jail,

828
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: he learned that Gloria had been diagnosed with breast cancer

829
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: and had no health insurance, and he needed money, so

830
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: he and Lttella headed north in the winter of nineteen

831
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: ninety one to kick off the mother of all crimesprees

832
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: for real. Yeah, because they're doing it for real now.

833
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now they need the money desperately.

834
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the first homes they'd hit was one

835
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: they'd hit decades prior. The same people still lived there.

836
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: I love the detective.

837
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Billy Adams sent out a bulletin alerting police that the

838
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: Dinner Set gang was back.

839
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 3: Baby.

840
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: This is what Adam said, quote everything was identical except

841
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: the date on the police. It was unbelievable. Same thing.

842
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: As long as you don't do violence, cops. Really, this

843
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: is a fun little games.

844
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: Florno explains it. He said, quote. I was just obsessed.

845
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to let her die because of money.

846
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: For the lack of money. That money saved her life Perlatella.

847
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: Quote.

848
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: We broke our rules, you know, not knowing your target,

849
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: not knowing where you're going, and knowing your escape. Working

850
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: in the winter, especially in the snow. They're men on

851
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: a mission, right, Because here's what happens. January twenty first,

852
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two. The two they targeted a home in Westport, Connecticut.

853
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: Now remember normally they're down in Florida this time of here.

854
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: So this is what Latella said about that day.

855
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: Quote.

856
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: I recall the woman being downstairs in her foyer and

857
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: Pete says, put me up on the ledge. He went

858
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: up and made entry into the bedroom, and all of

859
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, I noticed the woman look up, and I

860
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: knew she heard something. The lady homeowner she called nine

861
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: one one. Pretty soon the surrounding woods were crawling with cops,

862
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: and the cops sweetie dogs, and then the set to

863
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: freaked out their new ghetto driver because he hears all

864
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: the dogs and he just blows. So Selerno and Littella

865
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: they had to hoof it. Uh they This is how

866
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: uh Lttella remembers it. I recall it was like blowing snow,

867
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: maybe ten degrees out. And finally we just conceded to

868
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: the fact, saying, you know, Pete, it doesn't look good.

869
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: That's it. We're done. So basically they were in their

870
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: own personal Sopranos's episode, which is still one of the

871
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: greatest episodes of all time. You're not going to believe

872
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: this guy killed sixteen Chechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator,

873
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: so that was them. That was one in the house

874
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: watching this. So anyway, the canine cuties, they found Selerno

875
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: and Littella under a pile of leaves near I ninety five,

876
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: and I hate when that happens to me. Yes, I'm

877
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: getting found under a pile of so many times rible

878
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: Sellerno and Littella. They get arrested, obviously, and then they

879
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: get tied to a bunch of other burglaries. In the end,

880
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: Littella ended up serving nine years in prison and Sealerno

881
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 2: served four. Their wives got jobs working at a mall

882
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: in Fort Lauderdale.

883
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: And them, yeah, I guess.

884
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: And when he got out on parole, thettele got a

885
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: job selling used boats. And here's what he had to say.

886
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Quote the certain regrets I do have is if I

887
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: scarred anybody from feeling violated, I'm sorry in that respect,

888
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm sure a lot of people felt

889
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: that way, because I know how my wife would feel,

890
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, if it's any consolation, you know, and it

891
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: was by us, Believe me, we were gentlemen and we

892
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: weren't there to hurt anybody. Salerno. He shared that he

893
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: had no regrets and enjoyed the jewel thief life and

894
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: the excitement that came with it.

895
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: I got to say, I like his approach.

896
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: They asked him if he would do it again. He

897
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: said no. But when then, like, do you have any

898
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: plans and you know, would you tell anyone about it?

899
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: He laughed and he said no, I wouldn't.

900
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: Also, no, exactly in my.

901
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: Work as a special investigator, I think I found the Sealernos.

902
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: It looks like both Pete and Gloria are still alive.

903
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, how did you doing.

904
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: I'm not telling I'm not revealing my secrets. They have

905
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: a lovely family. But yeah, it looks like they're both

906
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: still alive in Florida.

907
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm so pridy, thank you.

908
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: So all's well. That ends well, I suppose, But Gloria

909
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: made it. Yay, Gloria. Detective Adams told sixty minutes, I

910
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: can find anybody I know you can. The quote in

911
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: anything that you read in the last forty years in

912
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: regards to jewel thieves, Peter Salerno's name always comes up,

913
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: and he's the standard by which all other jewel thieves

914
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: are judged.

915
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

916
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, big dog so for the goat trunk. Dolores was right,

917
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: He's the best in the world. Sarah, what's too ridiculous takeaway?

918
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: I gotta say that, I know this is a really

919
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: base ridiculous takeaway, but I think boat theft is really

920
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: where it's at. We've covered this a couple of times.

921
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: If you don't mess that up, I'm thinking that's really

922
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: the move via boat. You ride up in a boat, Yeah,

923
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: you rob a house, it's on the water, and you're

924
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: just it's it seems like, you know, I made a

925
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: gun out of ice and I have ice bullets of murder.

926
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: It's the version of her theba It's like the perfect

927
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: all the.

928
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: Smart stuff, like wait till they're having a dinner party,

929
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: so the alarm's not on. That I think is huge.

930
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: And also people, I think it would take a long

931
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: time before cops would think to look for that as

932
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: an escape route, especially if you were you made a

933
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: couple of little signs that you walked away, yeah, or

934
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: like he put some car whatever it is, you could

935
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: throw them off. For the longest time, they would not

936
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: think of that. I'd think if unless somebody saw you, well.

937
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I don't mind him hitting

938
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: the DuPonts. No offense to the DuPont family, but like

939
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're still okay, like they didn't but

940
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: like then when he's going after like a subdivision in Boca,

941
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: that was.

942
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. They always get to a point.

943
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean the desperation sinks in.

944
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also they start slipping with age and they

945
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: keep thinking that they can be doing what they were doing.

946
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: And it's like Michael Jordan on the Whizz it.

947
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: Should have been like boa these nuts to find a

948
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 2: protege exactly, someone to come up through the ranks, someone

949
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: who doesn't have diarrhea. It's always a good thing.

950
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: Diamond Doors had the same issue diarrhea, no getting a hold.

951
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: But yes, now that I can picture her crapping herself,

952
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: thank you.

953
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: We all have crapped ourselves.

954
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: It's what gaves us all together. It bonds us circle. Yeah,

955
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: that's it. That's all I have that we all have shadows.

956
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: That's true.

957
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: Those two things. That's it.

958
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: Good pointing, good point.

959
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: I'll duly noted.

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962
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