1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am like Spofford, he is my 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: trusted colleague Weston Hotkowitz. We're coming to you here from 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: our studios at lambeau Field West. Preseason game number two 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: is in the books for the Packers. Let's let's get 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: right into it. What were your impressions? What did you 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: like best? As far as what you saw from the 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: Packers against the New Orleans Saints on Friday night at 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: lambe Field, Jordan's love attacking downfield was the number one 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to see And it actually goes back 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: to what has been this recurring storyline learning more about 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Jordan's love the quarterback mistakes are gonna happen. You're not 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: gonna have every throw where you wanted to be, but 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: taking chances. And I thought you heard Matt Lafleur discuss 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: that a lot this week. And you know, being able 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: to see this young man stand tall in the pocket, 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: create off schedule plays, deliver the ball with accuracy, power 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: down field his receivers and and his receivers at times 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: didn't catch him that that was one part of this 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: thing there. Yeah, the Floor pointed that out after the 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: game too, He said, boy, you know, if if if 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: some of those passes are caught, and they were certainly 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: multiple catchable ones that were not, we're talking about a 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: completely different statistical line for Jordan's love in this game. 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: And since day one, Mike I've said that he's had 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: the right temperament for the position. He's a guy that's 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: naturally confident and he's unshakable in the pocket. You don't 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: see him forsaking his footwork because he's nervous about the 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: pressure that might be coming. He's going to go out 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: there and deliver the football. But it's just about making 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: sure that everything is syanked up. And Aaron Rodgers is disgust. 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: He feels like Tom Clements coming in has had a 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: big you know, a lot to do with that and 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: also just a young man maturing that that stack gets 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: thrown out there a couple of times. Now when you 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: look at these young quarterbacks coming into the league this year, 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Jordan loves in the same peer group as all of them. 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: You know, he came into this league as a young 39 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: quarterback and now he's had two years under his belt. 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: There still things to iron out. He's not a finished 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: product by any means, But if you're looking for a 42 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: guy that's taking gradual steps from two thousand twenty to 43 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: one to twenty two, as the Floor said, it's like 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: he is light years ahead of where he was three 45 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: and six days ago. Yeah. Absolutely, I think there's no 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: doubt about that. And what I really liked in terms 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: of the the overall picture of things and what I 48 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: think really helped Jordan Love in this game is I 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: thought the Packers got something going on the ground. I 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: thought there, I thought the running game, No, it wasn't. 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect. There were still some plays that you know, 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: runs get stuffed at the line of scrimmage, but I 53 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: saw more holes being opened. It felt like it felt 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: like when some of those five yard nine yard runs 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: were being churned out by you know, Patrick Taylor, Tyler Goodson, 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: that Jordan's Love was able to really stay settled down, 57 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: stay into a rhythm, stay in command of everything. And 58 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what you think, Well, I mean, you 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: look back to two thousand nineteen, Matt Lafleur first got here, 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and the Packers really couldn't do much with regard to 61 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: the outside zone running and and sort of shifted everything 62 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: to become an inside zone running team with Aaron Jones, 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: right what I what I've seen, you know, the joint 64 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: practices with the Saints than the preseason game and even 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: a little bit in practice this week. I think this 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: outside zone is maybe looking better than it ever has 67 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: on the floor now that we're into this this fourth year, 68 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe it'll show up in the games. 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it won't, you know, maybe with with Dylan and Jones, 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: it's still going to be more inside zone and outside zone. 71 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: But I've seen some encouraging signs with that, and I 72 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: think that started to show up against an opponent in 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: the Saints on Friday night. It was so interesting too, 74 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: because I think for so long it was almost like 75 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: the Packers were trying to find themselves with it that 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: you wanted to go back to maybe the safety blanket 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: of running, you know, you know, between the tackles and 78 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: everything and staying there, and that still can be really 79 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: valuable actually with the back like a j. Dillon. But 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the more the idea what the outside zone is, you're 81 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: able to stretch teams more, get them thinking more, play 82 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: sideline to sideline and look for opportunities look for holes 83 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: in that that defensive front to execute on. I've always 84 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: felt like Aaron Jones, whatever way you want to run him, 85 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: I can have the greatest philosophy, I can have the 86 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: worst philosophy in terms of running football. I think Aaron 87 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: Jones is gonna get you yards. We've seen that throughout 88 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: the course of his career. He's a big play waiting 89 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: to happen. A j Dillon is really the one I 90 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: think where the Packers are finding out more not only 91 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: about Dylon, but about how he can fit into this offense. 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: Whether it is the inside zone, outside zone, whether it 93 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: is you know, getting him out in space and throwing 94 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: the ball to him. Uh, those are all things that 95 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: I've I've really believed are the principles are there, and 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: now they're bringing in offensive linemen that are really learning 97 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: in this scheme rather than trying to make a transition 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: within it. So, but for Tyler Goodson, looking at him specifically, 99 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: I thought this game um this past week against New Orleans, 100 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: that was one of his best showings because you were 101 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: able to see more about how the running back, especially 102 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: when they're decisive, they have a good one cut ability, 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: they can execute and make plays happen at the second level. 104 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: His fifteen yard run that got him down to the 105 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: four yard line. That's set up the Romeo Dabs touchdown. 106 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: That's about as pretty as a place you're going to 107 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: see in preseason football. It's not easy Mike to run 108 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the ball in the preseason. That that was a that 109 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: was a classic backside cut back lane that the outside 110 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: zone play is designed to create. It was there, he 111 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: hit it, and uh and as you said, fifteen yards 112 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: and and and it's a matter of it's a matter 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: of the timing division. You see it at the right time, 114 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: and instead of just a four or five yard gain 115 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: on a garden variety outside zone, you see the cutback 116 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: lane and suddenly it's an explosive run. Absolutely, So those 117 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: are all things that are going to be very interesting 118 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: to watch develop. And and certainly we don't know when 119 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: David Bactier is gonna be back. You don't know when 120 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins is going to get back. But for as 121 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: much as people talked about this offensive line and the 122 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: uncertainties there, and certainly they need to figure out who 123 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: those guards are going to be in this whole equation. 124 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is the Packers have 125 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: the type of offensive alignment to run that type of 126 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: offense if that's where they want to go. And I 127 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: really do believe is you and I have said so 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: many times during this training camp. There are a lot 129 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: of good options that receive a lot of potential, but 130 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: the proven commodity right now is this running game. And 131 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: when you're talking about what's best eleven getting them on 132 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: the field, it starts with Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. Yeah, 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: and one other thought on the offense before before we 134 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: shift gears to the defense from Friday night. It's a 135 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: really interesting battle slash decision that's going on here as 136 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: far as the number three running back. When you look 137 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: at what Tyler Goodson has done, you look at Patrick Taylor, 138 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: his body type, his experience in this in this offense, 139 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: having played in some regular season games, really good past 140 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: protector Dexter Williams coming back obviously plenty familiar with the 141 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: offense and all that. I think it's going to be 142 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: very difficult numbers wise, for of the Packers to keep 143 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: four running backs on the fifty three man roster. So 144 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: um they will have some others, at least one or 145 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: two others. I think on the practice squad. But the 146 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: decision as far as which one gets the number three 147 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: job and it's on the fifty three, I think it's 148 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: it's a really tough call. If you're looking at, say 149 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: specifically Goodson and Taylor. They've both they've both been productive, 150 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: they've both shown what they can do. I think partly 151 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: what makes it a difficult decision is they're two completely 152 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: different style of backs. Right. It's in some ways you're 153 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: not able to compare just apples to apples because Goodson 154 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: is sort of the speedier, shiftier guy and Taylor is 155 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: more of the the upright power back. Right. So, um, 156 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: it's it's going to be an interesting decision. And and 157 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: certainly Thursday night in Kansas City is is going to 158 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: factor into this as well. So this is your ten 159 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: year eleven with me now covering the Packers, and you're 160 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: twelve going back to training camps. In terms of not 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: only just the running back position, I don't ever remember 162 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: the stakes being this high going into a preseason finale. 163 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned the backfield. You look at tight end, you 164 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: look at offensive line, defensive line, safety, cornerback, so many 165 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: of these positions. Mike I wrote about our Insider Inbox column. 166 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: The decisions are not going to be easy here for 167 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Brian good Kunst and his scouts. I mean, because it's 168 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: not just about the fact that, Okay, who's the best 169 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: prospect or who's the best player. These guys offer different 170 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: skill sets, different strengths, different weaknesses, different things that you're 171 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: gonna be able to potentially do with them on special teams. 172 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: And that's really when you get back to this running 173 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: back equation. You have to factor that in as well. 174 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: Patrick Taylor, It's been a pretty good staple with a 175 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of Green Bay special teams. Tyler Goodson has been 176 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: the number three kickoff returner in camp. Where do you 177 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: want these guys to fit and how will they be 178 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: part of this program? You have a practice squad now 179 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: that's sixteen players, where guys can be brought up up 180 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: to three times now as elevations. These are all things 181 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: that have to be swirling around in your mind a 182 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: little bit. In all so, getting back to just the 183 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: pure basics of the running back position. I've said it 184 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: since the beginning, Patrick Taylor is your quintessential Green Bay 185 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: Packers running back. That's the way they've typically had backs 186 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: here in Green Bay. Maybe not with Matt Lafleur, but 187 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the Ted Thompson, Brian Goodkins. He is 188 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: a big back. He's a guy that can stand up 189 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: to pass pressure. He's going to be able to offer 190 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: you a lot of different avenues to to move a football. 191 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Tyler Goodson has been incredibly explosive. Oh and then you 192 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: have Dexter Williams returning to the equation in Dexter going 193 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: back to the short shuttle and the things he did 194 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: at the combine. He checks all the boxes for what 195 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: the Packers like in their running backs. There's been a 196 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: lot of years, Mike, where the Packers have had some 197 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: backs and you're watching them out there and you're like, Okay, 198 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: well they got to get through the third and fourth quarter. 199 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Here this is gonna be the guy and we know 200 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: what will probably happen on Saturday. All three of those guys, 201 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: I could see any of them being the number three back. 202 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: That's really how tight that competition is. Yeah, I think 203 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: so too. On the defensive side, I'll say this West 204 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: what stood out to me in this game. We know 205 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: that Deveandre Campbell and Kay Walker are you know, one 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: and two in terms of the inside linebackers, and we 207 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, two guys six ft four. You know, 208 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers used the term range e in terms of 209 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: having guys like that um in the middle of a 210 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: defense and what that can mean. But I tell you what, 211 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Chris Barnes, Isaiah McDuffie, Ray Wilborn, these other these other 212 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: guys that inside linebacker are really showing up in these 213 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: preseason games and really really playing some good football. I've 214 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: been impressed with that position specifically in terms of its depth, 215 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: maybe maybe more so than any other position on the 216 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball right now, because it's also 217 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: a position where the Packers haven't historically had great depth, 218 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: right And I think in a lot of different variations 219 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: and metaverses and and you know drafts that you could do, 220 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: Packers very easily could have winned this season as Chris 221 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: Barnes as this number two inside linebacker, and I don't 222 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: think a lot of people would have batted an eye 223 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: tackling machine, right. But then you have kay Walker fall 224 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: to them and they feel like that's a good value 225 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: at that pick, and he gets brought in. You have 226 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: two six ft four speedy linebackers down in the middle 227 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: of this defense. But Chris Barnes, you look at how 228 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: he's played in these preseason games, Mike, I mean that's 229 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: a guy on a mission. I mean some of the 230 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: sideline tackles he made against the Saints, they get your attention. 231 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: He knows how to call the defense if it's asked 232 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: that of him as well. And Isaiah McDuffie has taken 233 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: about as big of a year one a year to 234 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: jump right now as anybody on the roster. This is 235 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: a guy that had a hard time even getting active 236 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: in games last season and now suddenly he's on all 237 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: this basic special core units, special team's core units. In 238 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: addition to the fact he's they're leading tackler in the preseason. 239 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Ray Wilburn is a guy that's been around for two 240 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: years now. The Packers have put a lot of time 241 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: and effort into him. And we haven't even mentioned Ty 242 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Summers in that equation too. This this competition, not only 243 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, we'll look so much about defense, but realistically 244 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: what these guys could potentially do for Rich Pisacchi on 245 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: special teams. Again, it's going to be a sixty minute 246 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: competition on Thursday night to show what you can offer 247 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: because there's been so many of these young men who 248 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: have really stepped up. You haven't seen a lot of 249 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: mistackles from the inside backer position in these preseason games. 250 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Guys know and understand the sense of urgency that goes 251 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: along with this, because it's not just about the spot 252 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: and the job, it's about how you can potentially help 253 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: this team throughout the course of a season. Yeah. Well, 254 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: the other spot I want to talk about with regard 255 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball is the safety position. 256 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: Um Darnell Savage has been out since Family Night when 257 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: he tweaked his hamstring. Vernon Scott had been filling in 258 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: with the number one defense paired with Adrian Amos. We've 259 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: seen that in practice. Vernon Scott injured his shoulder Friday 260 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: night against the New Orleans Saints. So and there had 261 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: been some other safe these out with injuries as well. 262 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: Now this week we've seen in his Gains and Tore Carpenter, 263 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: the seventh round draft pick rookie this year. Those guys 264 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: are now back in practice. Presumably they'll be able to 265 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: play in the In this preseason finale show a little 266 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: bit of what they can do. But a guy brought 267 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: in I think less than two weeks ago, if if 268 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: my math is right, because of these injuries at safety, 269 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Mica Abernathy talk about a guy who shows up suddenly, 270 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: sort of out of nowhere in a sense. I mean, 271 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: there's no way he has a decent chunk of the 272 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: playbook down in the very short time that he's been here, 273 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: but an interception against Saints quarterback Ian Book in the game. 274 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: I think he also had a tackle for loss um 275 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: in there as well. You talk about a young man 276 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: getting an opportunity, jumping on the scene and sort of 277 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: like raising his hand and saying, hi, here I am. 278 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Mica Abernathy is a is a guy who's 279 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: gonna make the personnel department think a little bit if 280 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: he can follow it up Thursday night in Kansas City 281 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: with another performance like he had at Lambeau. This is 282 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: there's so many different things to like about the Abernathey situation. 283 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: One having the USFL that avenue to give players some exposure. 284 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: That maybe because Abernathey had been in the league. I 285 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: think he came into league in two thousand nineteen, you know, 286 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: kind of went through the process, ended up falling out. 287 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: I think he was in Minnesota for a time and 288 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: ends up finding his way to the USFL, and he said, 289 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, had a decent solid season there, you know, 290 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: multiple games, you know, started the season, seventy some tackles, 291 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: a few interceptions, but the season ends and you're kind 292 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: of just sitting there waiting like, hey, did anybody notice me? 293 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: Did anybody see what I did here? And he gets 294 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: that call and in so many ways might get reminded 295 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: me of what Chris Banjo did in two thousand thirteen, 296 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: where this young guy comes in understanding I don't have 297 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: any room for error. I need to maximize every single 298 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: time I'm on the field, and a few different things 299 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately end up going his way on the injury front, 300 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: that he's put in a position to make some plays, 301 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: and walking with him after the game and him mentioning that, yeah, 302 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: that was something that Jerry Gray this past week had 303 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: talked to him about because there was a play very 304 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: similar to that in practice where he wasn't in the 305 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: right position and didn't make the play that could have 306 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: potentially been there for a turnover. In this specific thing, 307 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: the guy crashes like lightning down the sideline and as 308 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: he said, he's like, I didn't know if I got 309 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: in or not, but I was sure going to act 310 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: like it, you know, just to make sure and he did. 311 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: But like, those are the type of plays you have 312 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: to make as a young safety trying to make this roster, 313 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: especially this late in the process. Sean Davis was on 314 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: the practice squad last year, originally a draft pick out it, 315 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: I believe Indianapolis and as Gains comes back, tore Carpenters 316 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: the seventh round pick. Again, a number of guys here 317 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: that are trying to get those numbers two and are 318 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: three and four spots in the safety depth chart, and 319 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: it's a wide open competition going into the final turn. Yeah, 320 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: Davis is the guy who now is stepped up to 321 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: fill in for Vernon Scott with Vernon Scott being injured. 322 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: And we saw Davis have a fum more recovery. We've 323 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: seen him make some plays in PRAC this so that 324 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: that's another guy who's who's right in the mix here 325 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: as well. Um, I'll take care of some sponsor business 326 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: here West before we move on. Serious x M. 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He is back in 336 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: practice doing only individual drills at this point, same with 337 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins and Bobby Tounyan who came back off of 338 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: pup the week prior. We haven't seen any of those 339 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: guys in eleven on eleven yet, but bot is back. 340 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: He's working his way back. Chris and Watson has jumped 341 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: into eleven on eleven. Now we'll see what that means 342 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: with regard to whether he gets some preseason action Thursday 343 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: night in Kansas City. Um, but once again a couple 344 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: of big names. The health equation is starting to turn 345 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: a little bit more in the right direction. For it 346 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: is and for David box tr I mean, what a 347 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, sigh of relief. I think for a lot 348 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: of folks, and I have to imagine, you know, King 349 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: among them being boxed and being able to actually put 350 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: the pads on again get out there, and you hope 351 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: he can do it in a you know, a pain 352 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: free type matter. Excuse me, you hope he can do 353 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: it in a pain free type matter, because you know, 354 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: he's put so much work into this recovery and to 355 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: have to go through three procedures, uh to, to to 356 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: get back out there. And you can just hear him 357 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: when he was talking to the media this week how 358 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: much this means to him and how much he wants 359 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: to prove he's still the same five time All Pro 360 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: tackle that he can be that guy once again. And 361 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, Mike, one of my big 362 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: takeaways from practice was just how active he was at 363 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the young tackles. You know, he's sitting there working with 364 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: yosh Niman, who has been the you know, kind of 365 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: the replacement here the last year, and then also Caleb Jones, 366 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: who has been a really promising, monstrous undrafted rookie out 367 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: of Indiana, you know, and he's going through the reps 368 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: with with Luke Buckiss, but he's also talking those guys 369 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: through them too, and over on the other side with 370 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: the rights the right side of the offensive line. You 371 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: had Elton Jenkins doing that as well. You need your leaders, 372 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: and I think there's a tangible difference when those leaders 373 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: are out on the field. You saw it when it 374 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: was Josh Sitton and t J. Lang. You saw it 375 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: when it was Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton. You need 376 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: somebody to be able to hold up that flag and 377 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: tell everybody this is the way. And as good as 378 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: box tr he is, it's one of the best in 379 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: the NFL, one of the best tackles the Packers have 380 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: ever produced. It's also the leadership aspect that I think 381 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: so often gets forgotten, and a confidence and a swagger 382 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: when he's on the field. Now, we're gonna have to 383 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: see what this all means if weak ones of possibility, 384 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: as Matt Lafleur said, he's not getting into the expectations 385 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: with no expectations called no limitations. They want to be 386 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: able to get this guy healthy and get him healthy 387 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: for the long run. But my goodness, does it look 388 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: good to see number sixty sev back on the field. Yeah. 389 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: And what you talked about with regard to those two 390 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: guys as leaders in the way they work with those 391 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: other those young alignment on the practice field. You know, 392 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: that's that's just to carry over from what's going on 393 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: in the meeting room behind the scenes when they're studying 394 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: film and whatnot. But there is another element to it 395 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: when it is that type of interaction, that type of advice, instruction, 396 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, that is that is 397 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: out on the field and not just in the meeting room. 398 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: And the fact that Jenkins and bok Tr are both 399 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: are both out there now, as you said, we'll see 400 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: what happens with regard to week one. It's certainly on 401 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: the table for both of those guys and for Robert 402 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: Tunyan as well. Nobody's making any promises at this point. 403 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: It really is a day to day thing with these 404 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: guys coming off of the a c l S and 405 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: certainly with bok Tr having the multiple follow up procedures 406 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: and everything that he's had to go through to get 407 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: back to this point again. I mean, this is probably 408 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: the the third time in a sense over the course 409 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: of the last couple of years that he's returned to 410 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: practice and and and gotten back out there. So it's 411 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: it's it's been it's been this you know, stop and 412 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: start thing. With box tr but he's hoping, as he 413 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: told the media, hopefully it's no more back and forth 414 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: that now it's just at whatever pace it's going to be, 415 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: but it's going to be forward, moving forward, and just 416 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: a quickly touch on Christian Watson. I mean, my goodness, 417 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: could the kid not have been more impressive out of 418 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: the gates. I mean, now again, it's gonna be a process. 419 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Just like Romeo Dobbs, He's gonna have to get everything down. 420 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: But to finish practice on Monday, I'm so messed up 421 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: on my days on Monday, it's with the training camps 422 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: winding down or we'll get it figured out. The two 423 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: minute drill and the Packers are needing to get the 424 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: ball down to put, you know, to set up a 425 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: game winning field goal opportunity, and he comes free off 426 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: the side. In his leaping ability, man, the vertical has 427 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: shown up every single time we've seen him on the field. 428 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean, his catch radius is incredible, and uh, I know, 429 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: I think it was Rico Gafford or one of the 430 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: dbs wasn't happy. He was looking for a flag on 431 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: a push off it didn't come, and the offense just 432 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: the way it was rejuvenated there when when Watson made that, 433 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: because they had taken some lumps in that practice, but 434 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: to finish it that strong and to Watson to show 435 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: up where he has Aaron Rodgers mentioned it as locker two. 436 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: This kid has been making some plays and that was 437 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: a nice sideline ball from Jordan's Love two minute drill 438 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: as well. That gave Watson the chance to go up 439 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: and and and make that play and it was It 440 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: was a heck of a play. And Yeah, on a 441 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: day that the defense kind of had its way for 442 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: the most part against the offense. The offense in both 443 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: the two minute drills Rogers with the ones, Love with 444 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: the twos, they made the plays and and got it 445 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: done in those crunch time moments and it's amazing. It's 446 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: six ft five four three eight speed or whatever it is. 447 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: That can be a real problem when you get into 448 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: a secondary. Yeah, well, I'll just throw one other question 449 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: your way before we go here. The this will be 450 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: our only show of the week with our travel schedule 451 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: the game on Thursday. Um, we're gonna have to take 452 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of a break here and then roster 453 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: cuts coming up and and all of that. So we're 454 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: gonna take a mini hiatus and uh and be back 455 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: by Yeah, a mini by with unscripted for and we'll 456 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: certainly be back when when the fifty three man roster 457 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: and practice squad have been established. But I just want 458 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: to ask you. We talked about a couple of things 459 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: already with regard to Thursday night in Kansas City. Anything 460 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: else that you are keeping your eye on here in 461 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: the preseason finale Thursday Night. Two things special teams in 462 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: Jack Coco. Uh, special teams as I talked about earlier, 463 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean now, Matt Lafleur said they have a pretty 464 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: good idea of who their core guys are gonna be, 465 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: but without down love it, and with some of these 466 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: injuries that they've had, it's created opportunities for other guys 467 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: to get noticed and and seeing who could potentially be 468 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: that James Crawford type that maybe the average fan doesn't 469 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: think is going to make the team or doesn't even 470 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: know who they are, that sneaks their way onto this roster. 471 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: That's gonna be very interesting to watch. And I can't 472 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 1: think of anybody with higher stakes in this game than 473 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: Jack Coco, because I really do believe probably with one 474 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: strong performance here, it may be enough to get him 475 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: the long snapper job. And if he can actually do that, 476 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: a guy that again was the backup long snapper on 477 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: punts at Georgia Tech and was the short snapper for 478 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: three seasons before just concentrating on tight end is last year. 479 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: If the Packers in the scouting department, in the special 480 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: team staff identified this young man and can actually make 481 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: him a viable week one long snapper. One, that's an 482 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: incredible testament to Coco in the work he put in 483 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: this offseason. But two. I mean, I can't think of 484 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: more unparalleled developments for a guy as a rookie that 485 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: could potentially be put in that spot. And he's been 486 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: consistent and that was one thing they've been looking for. 487 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that the snaps are the fastest you've 488 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: ever seen, but they've been mostly where they've needed to 489 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: be and that's been a big issue for the Packers 490 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: the last few seasons. Yeah, Um, Dalen Levitt was another 491 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: injured safety that I forgot to and neglected to mention 492 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: him when I was going through the safety position before. 493 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: Um so um, I apologize for that, but I'm totally 494 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: with you with regard to special teams. I've said from 495 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: the beginning, I've said it all through training camp. I've looked, 496 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: I've been looking at these three preseason games as guys 497 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: trying to state their case to Rich Pisaccia that I 498 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: can get the job done. You can trust me, I 499 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: can be one of your guys. Right this this is 500 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: the last opportunity for a lot of these guys who 501 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: who are on the bubble, on the fence to whether 502 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: it's returning the ball, whether it's throwing a block on 503 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: a return, whether it's going down and making a coverage tackle, 504 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. This is this is your 505 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: last chance to state your case to Rich Pisacci that 506 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: I can be one of your guys. And and that's 507 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: something that that not that I want to see. The 508 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: Packers have to pump the ball eight times on you know, 509 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: Thursday night in Kansas City because you want to the 510 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: offense be able to score, you know, put together drives 511 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: and score points. But when the special teams are on 512 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: the field, this is going to be something to watch. 513 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: Here be is this really is the final audition for 514 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: for what's going to be those last few roster spot 515 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: and we had so many new Glusha's out there in 516 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Packers fandom last weekend kind of freaking out about special 517 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: teams and it's like, folks, I get last year was 518 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: not good, but you gotta see what rich Pisac is 519 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: doing out there. Somebody who was you know, these people 520 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: commenting about they broke a big return or whatever. The 521 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: Packers had. Out of their eleven guys on the coverage, 522 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: I think maybe two guys that were the ones that 523 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: we've seen With the ones, I mean, he's literally trying everybody. 524 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: It has been a wide open audition, which is exactly 525 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: the way I thought he was going to approach training 526 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: camp in the preseason. He's trying to find his guys 527 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: and the guys he can count on, and then when 528 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: he gets that collection of guys and it's like, all 529 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: right now, let's go. And I promise you Packer fans 530 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: you don't even know what you saw. That's the only 531 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: time you're gonna see three outside linebackers on a kickoff 532 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: coverage unit. It just doesn't happen that way typically. But 533 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: he helped from whether it's Kingsley Nigbari or or Kobe Jones. 534 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: He wants to see everybody. YEA, because that's the only 535 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: way you know whether or not they can do it. 536 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: If they end up making their way absolutely well. With that, 537 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: we will call it a wrap on this edition of 538 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage 539 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: with the rest of training camp. Will have everything for 540 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: you from Thursday night's preseason finale in Kansas City and 541 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: then as the roster decisions are made early next week, 542 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: the fifty three, the practice squad all that, We'll have 543 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: it all for you on Packers dot com for West 544 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: I Am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We'll 545 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: see you next time.