1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Welcome into another installment of the official Jets podcast. Eric 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Allen here at One Jets Drive, joined by my friend colleague, 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: the one, the one, the one and only, Brian Baldare. 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: What's the word, man, How you doing? 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. You know, we're counting down the 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: days to this draft, and you know, I mean, I 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: know we've had a solar eclipse, and I know we've 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: crowned a women's and a men's college basketball championship. But 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: in my world, in my little bubble, it's about the draft. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: So that's what I've been really put my attention into. 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: What were your draft weekend memories coming out of Duke. 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: Well, it was like I came out like, you know, 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: a century ago. So nineteen eighty two, yep, just to 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: give you a perspective, it wasn't televised, it wasn't on radio, 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: it wasn't you couldn't find it anywhere. You got to 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: read about it in the paper the next day. So 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: my year nineteen eighty two, like my brother got drafted 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: in the tenth round. I found that out Giants drafted 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: him in the tenth round, and you know I was unsigned. 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: I mean, nobody called. We had twelve rounds of draft. 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 3: Nobody drafted me. So first phone call I got after 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: the draft was by the Cowboys the day after, and 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: guy was out there, you know, the equipment manager was 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: out there trying to sign me. Buck you cannon. They 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: thought so highly of me they sent the equipment manager 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: to try to sign me. And we negotiate a contract 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: in my living room while I was getting ready for 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: a German exam. 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: Are you serious? 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well I got them. 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: I got Do you have any expectations? 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: You said the draft was twelve rounds A twelve rounds. 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: Back then, I thought it might. I was the starter 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: for two years at Duke. I was like I was 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: a transfer. I played tight end my first year, got 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: to the offensive line, and started my last two years. 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: So I thought I had a chance. And then when 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: my brother, who was a year younger than me, got 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: drafted in tenth round, I thought, well, ain't this son 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: of a gun like this lazy bum got drafted in 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: a tenth round and I and I got to like 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: try and sign a free agent contract. But it all 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: worked out. But nobody really knew, you know, like we didn't. 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of contact, a lot of 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: teams worked me out. 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: Did you have an agent? 47 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: I did not have an agent. No, no agent. The 48 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: Canadian Football League was trying to sign me. I went 49 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: for a workout with them. I made the uh what Montreal? 50 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: I was like Ontario Hamilcats or one of those teams. 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: I forget one of those teams up there wanted to 52 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: sign me. They offered me a contract off of a workout. 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: But well, what's your reference point as far as what's 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: a good contract here? As an undrafted free agent, you're 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: taking anything they're going to give you, or how did 56 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: you negotiate that? 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: Well? I had a beat up car in the parking 58 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: lot that didn't have any breaks, so I felt like 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: I needed enough money to fix the brakes in my 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 3: car to drive it home. It was a Plymouth fury 61 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: and there was no fury in the car like it 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: was just I wasn't driving a break. So they are 63 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: offered me five hundred dollars in a three year deal 64 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: thirty two thirty four to thirty six thousand dollars. All right, 65 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: and I was okay with the with the money, but 66 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: I needed to get the signing bonus up, so I 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: got I got the Cowboys to sign me to a 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: twelve hundred dollars signing bonus twelve hundred which we got 69 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: my brakes fixed. Put a little cash in my pocket, 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: and I was able to get home, get home after 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: after graduation. 72 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: But it wasn't necessarily the fast and the furious after that. 73 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: No, yea, I have the breaks. Well, yeah, I got 74 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: the breaks, so that was good. And then what I 75 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: didn't know though when they signed me, was they also 76 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: signed one hundred and nine other free agents in addition 77 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: to the fifteen draft picks they had. 78 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: Cowboys signed nine. 79 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: They signed one hundred and ten. I was one hundred 80 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: and tenth. They signed one hundred and ten free age. 81 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: That's what they used to do every year, like they 82 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: just would sign a glut of free agents and then 83 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: basically after every two days practice, the rookies would just 84 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: have a scrimmage and that was a chance to kind 85 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: of shine or whatever. So you know, there was one 86 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: hundred and ten free age, hundred and twenty five rookies, 87 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: and six of us ended up making it. I was 88 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: the one free agent that made it my rookie year. 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: Out of one hundred and ten. 90 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Was there any thought of not playing professional football? No education, 91 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: is not too bad. 92 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: No, I had a good job. I went for this 93 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: job offer in Chicago and I got it. And actually 94 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: my first year salary at this company was actually more 95 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: money than the Cowboys were paying me. Really could have 96 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: made more money going to work for this as a 97 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: salesperson for this pretty big company, a national company. And 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: I'd gotten the job. I interviewed, I beat out, you know, 99 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: a lot of the candidates, but you know I wanted to. 100 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: I had his friend of mine actually played for the Jets, 101 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: Kurt Son, the four year time hea he played, and 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: that we both played at Nasau Community College right in 103 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: Garden City, not far from where the Jets used to 104 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: practice over at Hofstra. Yeah, webew Bank Hall, and Kurt 105 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: Sown was my teammate at Nasau. He went to Fordham 106 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: and then he signed as a free agent with the 107 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: Jets and made it. He made it as a returner, 108 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: third down specials whatever. He played seven or eight years. 109 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: And Kurt told me when I was at junior college, 110 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: he goes, you know, if you play high school football, 111 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: might as well try to play college football. And if 112 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: you play college football, he might as well try to 113 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: play pro football. And that's the first time I really 114 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: thought about pro football and then I always believe that 115 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: I still say it to today. And so I played 116 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: college and you know, junior college, duke all this stuff, 117 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: and I just I didn't really care about the money. 118 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: I felt like if I could save twenty thousand dollars, 119 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: that would be enough to get myself, you know, jump 120 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: started in a career. So you know, my goal was 121 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: to play professional football at least for one year. And 122 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: if I could do that, I could say that I 123 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: did it, save a little bit of money, and then 124 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: get my life started. 125 00:05:58,839 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: He played more than a decade. 126 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: I played twelve, yep, play twelve. Yeah, but you know, 127 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: this time of the year is interesting because. 128 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. 129 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: Do you have saw spot in your heart for those guys. 130 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: Are going to be drafted? Yeah? The guy the undrafted players, 131 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: I always, you know, reach out to them because I 132 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: know it's not the easiest course. But it's also that 133 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: you never take the free agent out of a guy. 134 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: You know, once he makes it as a free agent, 135 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: he's used to seeing the fresh crop coming in every year. 136 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: He's used to be in trying to run out of 137 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: the locker room. And I felt that I felt that 138 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: after I made it my rookie year. You know, they 139 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: came back to next year, second round drafting offensive tackle, 140 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: drafted a bunch of guys, and I felt like, Okay, 141 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: this is going to be whatever year is, they're going 142 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: to try to replace you, right, and so you just 143 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: like you gear up four it, get your game face on, 144 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: you go to camp, and you just go compete every 145 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: year and you beat you know, the next guy's out. 146 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: Jets fans are so excited about the draft, and rightfully so, 147 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: how do the veterans take it in because, like you're mentioning, 148 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: this is a business, this is a profession. While it 149 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: sounds good on paper that some of these guys are 150 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: going to come in and help our team win games, 151 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: these guys are coming to take my job. 152 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean look if the veterans they signed, 153 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: especially on the offensive line, you know Tyron Smith, Morgan, Moses, 154 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: John Simpson. I mean John Simpsons is a young player. 155 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: He had one full year of starting at twenty six. Yeah, 156 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: so he's young. But you know Tyron and Morgan, I 157 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: mean they're here to be the starters now they can't. 158 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: You know, they drafted Carter Warren last year, Max Mitchell 159 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: the year before. I mean those are fourth round picks. 160 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: You know, you want to keep developing those guys, but 161 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: you know, you get drafted the offensive line, I don't 162 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: care if you're in the first round or if you're 163 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: in the seventh round. I mean, your goal is to 164 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: come in and compete and show them that you belong, 165 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: that you're coachable, that you know, you have a professional approach, 166 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: you know, being ready every day, understanding your assignments, knowing 167 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: the playbook, like coming in and look if it's if 168 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: it's because you can't make because if it's a numbers 169 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: game and you put your resume out there for somebody else. 170 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: But you come in here. I don't care what round 171 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: you get drafted, what your name is. You have to 172 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: come in here to compete. And who's to say that. 173 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: Let's just say the Jets draft and offensive tap with 174 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: a tenth pick. You don't know. I've heard people say, well, 175 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: it's a red shirt year where they're going to play him, Like, 176 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, tenth pick in the draft, Like go 177 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: beat somebody out, you know, like go show everybody that 178 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: you belong to the starting lineup and the guy that 179 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: they signed before you know, to come here to be 180 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: a starter, Like maybe they're the depth player who. 181 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Knows interesting spot for any young player joining this defense 182 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: because you mentioned it before. Today we've been taping all day. Yeah, 183 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: six former first round picks, the one that defensive line. 184 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Eight first round picks in all on this Jets defense. 185 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: So for anybody coming in, you are joining a very 186 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: good defense that has its eyes on being the best. 187 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. Like they're at least eight deep 188 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: on the defense line, probably nine or ten right now. 189 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 3: So if you get taken there, all right, Well, if 190 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: your defense tackle, you watch Quinn Williams go to work. 191 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: You know you're a defensive end. You watch the son Reddick, 192 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 3: Jermaine Johnson. We've seen Jermaine really evolve in just two 193 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: years right now. You watch will McDonald go out there 194 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: and compete for playing time. I mean, you watch these 195 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: veterans go to work. This is a team, not a defense, 196 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: a team built around their defensive front, their defensive line. 197 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: If you're a linebacker, what better spot to come than 198 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: to watch Quincy Williams or CJ. Mosey go to work. 199 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Like both of them are quiet, both of them are workers. 200 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: Both of them are practice players. You get if you're 201 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: a linebacker coming in here and they need depth of linebacker, Like, 202 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: come and watch those two guys work. If you're a corner, 203 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: I mean, Sauce Gardner's first one on the field every day. 204 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: You know, like you know you want to go become 205 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: Sauce Gardener. Go watch Sauce Gardener work. Go watch work 206 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: against Garret Wilson. Go watch them go to work in 207 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: every drill. And then if you're safety, there's there's a 208 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: chance to you can make this rosters a safety. But 209 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 3: Chuck Clark has been a proven player in this league. 210 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: Tony Adams was a playmaker last year. You know, go 211 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: learn from those guys, learn what the standard is, create 212 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: the new standard here in New York. 213 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: You know all the Eagles so well, the son Reddick man, 214 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: that was a surprise for me if you would have 215 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: told me in January, the Jet's gonna get Hassan Redick. 216 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: I want to believe you, what is maybe the most 217 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: under the radar quality that he brings this team. 218 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: Oh, he plays with Max Effort. He plays Max Effort. 219 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: There's no there's no one player, there's no one scheme 220 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: that can really just flat out stop them. There's no 221 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he went up against Lane Johnson every day 222 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: and practice, Jordan Malata. He went up against elite players 223 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: in Philadelphia. I was part of, you know, a defensive 224 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: line that had seventy sacks that got all the way 225 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: to a Super Bowl and with in thirty minutes of 226 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: winning a Super Bowl, and they were led by their 227 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: defensive front. Hassano's an every down player who's going to 228 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: play seventy five percent of the snaps. He's been largely 229 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: healthy throughout his career. He was also humbled early in 230 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: his career. He was the thirteenth pick in the draft 231 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: at a temple and really they played him at off 232 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 3: the ball inside linebacker in Arizona when he first started, 233 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: and he was really out of position, and so, you know, 234 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: he was humbled. He wasn't talked about, he wasn't putting 235 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: up any kind of numbers. You know, he was labeled 236 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: a draft bust. He got humbled early. He went to 237 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: Carolina in free agency, you know, like he started building 238 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: his resume late. You know, in the last two years 239 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: of Philly, three years of Philly, he's been very good. 240 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: So look, he's a local prospect. You know he's from Camden, 241 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: New Jersey, Haddonfield, New Jersey, and you know Temple. He 242 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: got hurt at hadden Township High School his senior year, 243 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: broke his ankle. I think didn't get recruited. Matt Roule 244 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: brought him in the Temple. I think he was a 245 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: one or two star athlete. So he's always been a 246 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: little bit humbled. So he's always all right. He's undersized, 247 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: he's this, he's that like he's going to go prove 248 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 3: everybody wrong. And look, he's looking for a contract. He's 249 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: looking for another contract. Now he's got he got a 250 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 3: big one from Philly, but he's still looking for another contract. 251 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: And he's young enough and healthy enough that he can 252 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: get another one and a good year here he can 253 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: play himself into another big contract. 254 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: And I think Hassan Ruddick is a match for any system. 255 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: But specifically, what do you think about the match with 256 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: what Robert Sala and jeff Aulbrick are doing. 257 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: And this thoughts a line. 258 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, you can line him up 259 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: at left defensive end and he's just fine, all right. 260 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: He's he's got enough quickness to beat the big power 261 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: run blockers out there. And know how to you know, 262 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: play the edge, get penetration to all that stuff. He's 263 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: excellent on twist stunts. You know, you want to run 264 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: him on stunts the way that the Jets like to 265 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 3: run stunts with the front foor. He's excellent at it, 266 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: really understands it. And then you know, I nicknamed him 267 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: in Philly a couple of years ago Freddy Krueger, Like 268 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: when he turns the corner, now there's a claw that's 269 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: coming out, you know, for the quarterback, like he enjoys 270 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: hunting quarterbacks. 271 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean, fifteen and a half sacks over the course 272 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: is the last four seasons. But to your point about 273 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: the claw, I think fifteen forced fumbles the last four seasons, 274 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: thirteen strips. 275 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: Well, two years ago, if you count the postseason, he 276 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: had nineteen and a half sacks and six force fumbles. 277 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: Like if I was to say to this Jets defense, 278 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: if you said, what would you say to the Jets defense? 279 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: Bell If I'd say, takeaways they improved last year, but 280 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: takeaways balls on the ground. It's got to be your ball. 281 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: But get the ball on the ground, and it starts 282 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: with force fumbles. It starts with tip balls, you know, 283 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 3: you get your hands on the ball, Saust Carter come 284 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: down with the ball. You know, like they need to 285 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: take the ball away. The elite defenses in this league 286 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 3: take it away offensively. 287 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: How big of a gy do the Jets have to 288 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: have to get to where they want to be because 289 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: you know this defense is going to be. 290 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: Very least very good. Yeah, Well, I mean we saw 291 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: last year. Look, if you don't score points, I don't 292 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: care how good your defense is, they're gonna they're gonna 293 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: get weird. You're gonna be on the field too much, 294 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: too much, You're gonna be asked of you. You're going 295 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: to be trying to do too much, trying to score 296 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: and knowing the offense, you know they threw eleven passing 297 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: touchdowns last year. Yea, Like you know it's the lowest 298 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: in the league. So what's to be asked to the offense, Well, 299 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: you got to pull your weight. You know, they're putting 300 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: a lot of resources into the offense. Obviously, Aaron's Aaron, 301 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: you know, and he's going to be as demanding as 302 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: anybody the way that we saw throughout the off season, 303 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: preseason last year. But you know, this is a group 304 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: largely of a lot of new pieces. You got new 305 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: offensive linemen. Okay, you've got a new wide receiver. The 306 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: quarterback is going to you know, come back, and who 307 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: knows what they draft, so you you know, you got 308 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: to together quickly. All Right, the new you know, Mike 309 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: Williams has to fit in. If they draft a tight end, 310 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: another wide receiver, all right, what's there going to be 311 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: the role? How's this thing gonna build? Chemistry? Where? Okay, 312 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: third down and eleven? What are we doing? What's the play? 313 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: Where are we going? Like? So you got to put 314 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: a lot of new pieces together. 315 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: Do you like the position at number ten overall? In 316 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: terms of potentially what Joe Douglas could be looking at. 317 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: Well, you know they they signed ty Rod Taylor, so 318 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: they're not going to be in the quarterback market. An uh, 319 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: this is going to be quarterback heavy at the top. 320 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: It's a good year to be sitting at ten because 321 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: you might see four, maybe five quarterbacks taken in front 322 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: of them. So it's going to push a lot of 323 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: elite players offensive linemen, receivers, Like, you're going to push 324 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: some elite players down to you. So you're gonna have 325 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: a choice at a premium player at a variety of 326 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: positions at ten, if you want to maximize the pick, 327 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: you might field phone calls from people that are trying 328 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: to get to ten or higher. So you could be 329 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: in a position where you could acquire picks and still 330 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: good players, or you could take an elite player knowing 331 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: you don't have a second round pick and so you 332 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: have a lot of flexibility with that pick. Right now. 333 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: One guy you just broke down for US Film Breakdown, 334 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: and you also talked to Caroline about this, is Olu 335 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: fashion new from Penn State. You really like his potential. 336 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: I do you know? I remember last year during the 337 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: draft and I was saying, if Olu came out of 338 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: the draft last year, he might be a top fifteen pick. 339 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: Like he the fact that he stayed got another year, 340 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: you know, another year of just core strength, strength, all 341 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: that stuff. With a natural big body, natural big, strong, 342 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: powerful body. There's very little not to like about him. 343 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: He's a great person. He's been a healthy, steady performer. 344 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: I think he's just gotten better. I think he understands 345 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: the game. He understands what left tackle is. It's a 346 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: position almost all by itself sometimes like you're just out 347 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: there on the Island against elite pass rushers and your 348 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 3: job is to keep that guy off your quarterback. He 349 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: understands the mentality that it takes. But I think he's 350 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: a worker and I think he's got a lot of 351 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: good technique that he's learned along the way. But I 352 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: just as honestly, he reminded me right now of when 353 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: Tyron Smith came out of USC like that was my 354 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: when I've watched him play, that was my comp And 355 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: it's funny they who knows, maybe they could be teammates. 356 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: Here, that would be something else. And how about that 357 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: education if you came here and Tyrone Smith is already 358 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: in the line, Well, I mean. 359 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: Tyron Smith has just had he's just had these vice gripts, 360 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: you know when he got his hands on you like 361 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: you couldn't get his hands off you. And it's still 362 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 3: the same way. And then the best thing about Tyron 363 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: and I think you can say the same thing about 364 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: Ol Louise, they don't play with the clock in their head. 365 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 3: Some of these tackles in this draft, albeit they might 366 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 3: think they're elite, they might be talked about like they're elite. 367 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: Like I see him giving up on the play too soon, 368 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 3: and he doesn't have that mentality like the ball's gone 369 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: and he still has his grips in guys, you know, 370 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: and he knows how to marry his feet with his hands. 371 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: I like the fact that that he carries his hands 372 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 3: low and he lifts up lane. Johnson plays like that. 373 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: Jordan Alta plays like that. It's kind of a new 374 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: thing in this league. But I like that because I 375 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: think you can more quickly stop a guy's power and 376 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: charge doing that. 377 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: You don't have a vision in any scenario where Joe 378 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: alt is there a ton right if you like, if 379 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: you're in the Joe All business, you would have to 380 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: go up correct. 381 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's the number one guy because he 382 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: might not become the best prosps the best player at 383 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: offensive tackle. I think he's very ready right now. He's 384 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: six foot eight and change and he's a master technician. 385 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: His dad played this position at a high level in 386 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: Kansas City. My brother was his dad's teammate in Kansas City. 387 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: I felt like I've known john his dad forever says, 388 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 3: my brother was in Kansas City. But I think like, like, 389 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: for example, the Chargers picked number five, so Jim Harball 390 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: recruited him like crazy coming out of Minnesota, and he 391 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: wanted him to come to Michigan, and he wanted to 392 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: go to Notre Dame. So Notre Dame won the battle. 393 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: Maybe Jim Harball, you know in this draft, says, all right, 394 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: I lost at you in college. I'm not losing you 395 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: here in the NFL. Like you could make the case 396 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: for Joe to go to the Chargers, you can make 397 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: the case for Joe to go to Tennessee. But it does. 398 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: But there is something of this upside that some of 399 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: these other guys have that might be higher than Joe. 400 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: Because when I watched Joe, honestly, he reminds me of 401 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: when Joe Thomas came out of Wisconsin. Like Joe Thomas 402 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 3: was never the best athlete, oh, although he was athletic enough. 403 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: He was never the strongest. Although he was strong enough. 404 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: What made Joe Joe was a He didn't miss any games, 405 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: okay ten straight years, every play, and he was a 406 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: master technician. He was a shot putter in high school. 407 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: He had this shot put stancy. His he would fly 408 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: out of his stands like he was a tactician. And 409 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: I feel like Joe is, like I'm not saying he's 410 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 3: going to be Joe Thomas. I don't know that's a 411 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: lot to ask, but you know he is a tactician 412 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: like Joe was. 413 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: And so you've said as many as eight could go 414 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: in the first round, and you just mentioned upside before. 415 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Just give me a couple names. We've talked about Olu, 416 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: but as far as tackles that you think him intriguing upside. 417 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean tell the essay. Fuaga of Oregon State 418 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 3: is a very powerful, talented player. Now he might be one, two, 419 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: or three or four off the board, depending on how 420 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: you want to stack him. I think everybody looks at 421 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: something different, but he's got elite run power game. You 422 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: watch them against the elite pass rushers in college. He 423 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: didn't have any issue with him. If you want to 424 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 3: take a guy that has immense possibilities, there's Amarius Mims 425 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 3: at Georgia. He's six foot eight, he's three hundred and 426 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: forty five pounds, he moves exceptionally well. He's only started 427 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 3: eight games now, he's not because of injuries. I mean, 428 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: they rotate players. He has me some time, but he's 429 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: a guy that if he really wants to be great 430 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: and he gets good coaching that combination, he might be 431 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: better than all of them in this draft. 432 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: Could these three guys at the receiver position all hit 433 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: and be super players at the next level? And I'm 434 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: talking about my leak neighbors, Marvin Harrison Junior and Rome Adunze. 435 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: So I think they can. History says that if they 436 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: get taken in any order of one, two, three, that 437 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: not all three are going to be great. Yeah, I 438 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: mean that's what history says. You back to the twenty 439 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: fourteen draft, and you know, and there was a lot 440 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: of great receivers. You know, Mike Evans in that draft, 441 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: Odell was in that draft, Davante Adams was the eighth 442 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: receiver taken. He might be the best of all of them. 443 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: So the history says that Marvin, uh, you know, Malik 444 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 3: along with Rome, they're not all three going to be great. 445 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: That's what history says. Sometimes you go to the wrong place, 446 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 3: bad quarterback, changing the guards, like you just get caught up. So, 447 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: but I don't know which one might not be the guy. 448 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: I have a feeling, like my own gut tells me 449 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: that Rome is going to be the best of all 450 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: of them. Wow. 451 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So both you and the Jay Dousable, who we've 452 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: been with today. 453 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, very high on Rome. 454 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: It's intriguing because for months, even back to the regular season, 455 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: people have been looking at the Jets and saying tackle 456 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: or receiver. You think, ultimately, this is where it's going 457 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: to land because the other guy hanging out there that 458 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: fans are very interested in that. You've taped multiple segments 459 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: on today. Brock Bowers from Georgia. 460 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, history says that you can get elite tight 461 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: ends outside of the top ten. I mean if you 462 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: look at Travis Kelce, if you look at George Kittle, 463 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: if you look at Mark Andrews, none of them were 464 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: even anywhere close to the top ten, right, But if 465 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: you look at Kyle Pitts, I mean, maybe they haven't 466 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: figured out how to use them in Atlanta, but he 467 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: hasn't made a difference. Now, every player deserves their own 468 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 3: status and creating their own legacy. 469 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: But there is something to trunds. 470 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: There is trends that says, boy, that's those guys Vernon Davis. 471 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 3: You know, those guys taking the top ten, they don't 472 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: they don't become top ten players. I just think this 473 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: brock Bauers is in that conversation. He's a much better 474 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: blocker than anybody thinks he is. They may not give 475 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: him credit for it. They just don't think he's a 476 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: great blocker because they watch him catching passes all the 477 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: time and they see him scoring points. But you have 478 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: to have a plan to use them, Like there's no 479 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: sense in taking a top ten player if you don't 480 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: have a real plan to get maximum value from them. 481 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: So generally, if you look at Mark Andrews and Baltimore 482 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 3: or Kelsey, those guys are elite players within the scheme. 483 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: They're the number one red zone option, you know, like 484 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: Mike Evans was a tenth receiver. Take like, those guys 485 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: are the go to guys. Now, George Kittle's not the 486 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 3: go to guy, but he's a fifth round pick and 487 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: he's got Iyuk, and he's got McCaffery and he's got Deba, 488 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to be. But for a long time, 489 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 3: Mark Andrews had to be the number one target and 490 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 3: he was for Lamar and Kelsey. Despite all the changes 491 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 3: have taken place at the receiver position, the offense still 492 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 3: runs through them. So you've got to have that type 493 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: of a plan. For Brock, I think to get the 494 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: max out of them. 495 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: Seven overall picks in this class for the Jets, no 496 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: second rounder. When you go into a draft and you're 497 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: a GM and you're Joe Douglas and you look at 498 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: this roster, how important is it for you to get 499 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: a second back at some point? 500 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think that if you looked at Joe's board, yep, 501 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: I would highly doubt that he has awarded thirty two 502 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: first round picks. I bet he's somewhere around twenty four 503 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: to twenty six first round picks. Okay, so probably even 504 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: lower than maybe even lower than that. In some years 505 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: it is lower EA for sure, because in any draft 506 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 3: you go back and post draft these guys there's going 507 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: to be eight to ten bust in every draft. You 508 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: just don't know where they're gonna be or who they're 509 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: gonna be. Sometimes it's injuries, Sometimes it's just that the 510 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: player of the person that where they go. But regardless, 511 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: the reason why I made that suggestion is because when 512 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: you have twenty four first round picks, you've got a 513 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: deep second round. You got really good second round picks. 514 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: There's gonna be good running backs taking the second You're 515 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: gonna get good receivers taken the second round, you're gonna 516 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: get a lot of these offensive tackles. Drop to the 517 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: second round. You're gonna get good offensive guards and maybe 518 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 3: a center or two in the second round, so you 519 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 3: can you can find good offensive positions. Now the Jets 520 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: aren't looking at a center, probably not looking at a guard, 521 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: but you know, tackles, receivers, there's gonna be good players 522 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 3: there in the second round. 523 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the changing face of 524 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: the FC East right now. The Bills have won the 525 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: division four consecutive years. Yep, we saw them most recently 526 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: trades Defon Diggs the Houston Texans, so Josh Allen's number 527 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: one weapon of years past won't be there anymore. So 528 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: some cost cutt He moves there in Buffalo, who also 529 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: have a new center he gave Davis signed in Jacksonville. 530 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: Those safeties that Poyer hide Tredevious White, who was hurt 531 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. He signed with Rams. He talked, 532 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: then we moved to Miami. In each of Mike Mike 533 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: McDaniel's first two years, they make the playoffs. Very explosive offense. 534 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: Questions for me along that offensive line, new defensive coordinator 535 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins is elsewhere. Van Ginkel, for my money, was 536 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: one of the most underrated players in the league last year, is. 537 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 3: All over the Brian Flores Minnesota. 538 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: He's out out, Exaviing Howard's out. 539 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips is coming back from the Torney killing Friday, 540 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: Bradley Chubb is coming back. 541 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: There you go. 542 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: You're hitting it and you're hitting the now right now. 543 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: Then you got New England who is in major reconstruction mode. 544 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: Right now. 545 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: It's wide open. It's wide open. It's it's literally anything 546 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 3: like the Jets number one priorities to win the division. Yep, 547 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 3: it's wide open. There's not a team that's better than them, 548 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: at least on paper, and talking here in April, EA, 549 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: there's not a better team on paper than the Jets 550 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: are right now. The Miami Can will put an explosive 551 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 3: offense together. You know, if those guys all stay healthy, 552 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 3: which they couldn't do last year, none of them, Tyreek, Jalen, 553 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 3: you know, Raheem Devon a chan like. None of those 554 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 3: guys stayed healthy for the full year. But if they do, 555 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: like I mean, they're an explosive offense. But defensively, Anthony 556 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: Weaver comes in for Vic Fangio, like I feel, and 557 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 3: I think Anthony Weaver is a good coordinator. I think 558 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: he's gonna be a good coach there. But they lost 559 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: a lot. They lost a lot. They actually somehow with 560 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: the least amount of money to spend in free agency. 561 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: They filled some linebacker spots, they filled a safety spot, 562 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: they filled some spots. But they don't look like they're 563 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: going to be a top twenty defense in this league 564 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: right now. 565 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to win if you're not a 566 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: top twenty defense in the NFL. Yeah, I mean, if 567 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: the Jets and the Bells are gonna put a lot 568 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: on josh Allen's shoulders. 569 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: And when they put a lot on his shoulders down 570 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: to look, their offense changed. When Ken Dorsey got fired 571 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: and Joe Brady got elevated, their offense change. He became 572 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: a run first offense and Joshua was a big part 573 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: of that with James Cook, and they were good at it. 574 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: That's what got them to the playoffs and won the 575 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: division last year and when a playoff game against Pittsburgh. 576 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: But I don't think they're the team to beat right 577 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: now now. They might strike gold in the draft and 578 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: get themselves an elite receiver that really you know, compliments 579 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid and what they have there, but you don't 580 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: know right now. 581 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: So let's get out of here with this. The wide 582 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: receiver class we talked about the top three. Brian Thomas. 583 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, I think there's gaining consensus out there that 584 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: he's probably the next guy after these three. How much 585 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: does it weigh into your decision making if you're the 586 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: GM that this is a really good class up top, 587 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: but it extends. I don't know if these guys have 588 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: the star qualities that the top three or top four have, 589 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: but there are productive guys are going to come out 590 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: of the third round or the fourth round here, and 591 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: we've seen it very recently. 592 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: Yavan Cooker was a fifth round pieh Yeah. So I 593 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 3: mean if you look at Ricky Piersoll, you know, Florida, 594 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 3: and there's nobody that doesn't think he's going to be 595 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: a great player. Like he reminds you of Julian Edelman, 596 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 3: just how tough he is and the type of routes 597 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: that he runs. He always looks like he's open. I 598 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: interviewed him last week and I saw it like you're 599 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: always open. You run these deep overroutes like nobody in 600 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: the SEC could cover you. Lad mcgonkey is a guy, 601 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: you know, Keon Coleman. I mean, there's a lot of 602 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: guys out there. Every team has, Every college team has 603 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: got you know, two, three, four receivers on every single 604 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: play that are out there on the field. So there's 605 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: a lot to choose from. And then you you know, 606 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: so well there might be a top tier after you know, 607 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: Marvin and Savan, Brian Thomas at LSU, whatever, Xavier Worthy, 608 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: maybe at you know, Texas, there might be a top 609 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 3: tier of guys. You know. DeVante Adams was the eighth 610 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: receiver taken, you know, and they said, you know, he 611 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: ran a slow forty time and look what he's done. 612 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: Like he's just a professional. You know, he's got elite releases, 613 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: and he understands the game, and he's tough and he's big. 614 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 3: So you're gonna find these guys, you know, deep into 615 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 3: the draft away the Rams found Pooka the way they 616 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: they found Cooper Cup years ago. You know, in the 617 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: middle rounds, Like there's guys out there that will compete 618 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: with these guys at the very top that we're talking about. 619 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: So I got some breaking news right now hearing the ball. 620 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna be at one Jet Stride half weekend. 621 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 3: Huh. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I mean, we 622 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: gotta we gotta have a draft party. We got to 623 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: put a missing component to this team. 624 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: That sounds good, brother. 625 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: Now, So I'm u Look, draft knight is a special knight, 626 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 3: you know, in our country and in this league, it 627 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: always is. 628 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: And that's Brian Baldinger, who went undrafted and played twelve 629 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: years in the National Football League and still breaking it 630 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: down as just as anybody. 631 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: Yep, still fooling them.