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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Valerie June, just playing alone with you, just playing alone

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Speaker 1: with you. Hi, welcome to the show, Anora, and with

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Speaker 1: me as always is Sarah Oda. I never know what

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Speaker 1: to say, We'll just say hello. Let's just keep it on,

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Speaker 1: all right. So today's show, today's show, we have Valerie June.

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Speaker 1: She happens to be a friend of ours, which was

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Speaker 1: extra fun. These shows we've done with people who I'm

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Speaker 1: already friends with have been very special.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, Yeah, you're learning a lot of things

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Speaker 2: you didn't know even though you've known these people for

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Speaker 2: so long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild how much you get to know them

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Speaker 1: more are in these intensive little thingies we're doing. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to explain it, but this was a

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Speaker 1: very it was intense. I felt so connected to Valerie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a very beautiful, sort of magical person.

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Speaker 1: She really is a very unique human.

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Speaker 2: Very unique as a person, and her music as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and everything about her.

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Speaker 2: Can't put her in a box.

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Speaker 1: No, she's amazing. And I've known her through the last

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Speaker 1: two albums. I've sort of known her and watched her

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Speaker 1: make these albums and I've seen her go through all

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Speaker 1: these different phases with her music, and I just loved

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Speaker 1: playing with her finally, because we have kind of sung

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Speaker 1: together definitely before on various recording sessions, but not in

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Speaker 1: this sort of truly intimate way just playing songs together.

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Speaker 1: So this was a really special special thing for me.

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Speaker 1: Her new album is called The Move and Star's Prescription

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Speaker 1: for Dreamers. That kind of sums her up in a nutshell,

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Speaker 1: I feel really does. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean she's she's the kind of person. She's always creating, inventing, writing, performing,

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Speaker 2: She's always making it happen. She really inspires me in

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Speaker 2: that way because yes, you know, she just keeps moving forward.

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Speaker 1: I love that about her. Yeah, and learning. I feel

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Speaker 1: like she's a real sort of student of life in

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Speaker 1: that way she is. Yeah, Well, we hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this show. I had so much fun playing with Valerie June.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy ah, no.

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Speaker 4: Very easy. Please for me, help me to.

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Speaker 5: Brawl that I'm in the thing.

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Speaker 6: See a stream that falls to and into fun that os.

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Speaker 7: A king steals my chest dream.

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Speaker 8: I know.

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Speaker 9: There is a home inside window.

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Speaker 4: Too short with every dream of but he spreads.

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Speaker 10: His goldly pathy.

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Speaker 9: Lighty guys, garden too broke, keep on.

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Speaker 4: The sudy side.

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Speaker 11: Some coffee price see it shirt not see some sitting

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Speaker 11: breathe and following.

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Speaker 12: And I'd be able to letty having names a school

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Speaker 12: to shiney it's right.

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Speaker 13: Some call the fairs, some see issue nacy.

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Speaker 3: I'm mister gree seven bies.

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Speaker 12: I'd be able to lady haveving name Earthy Scot to shine.

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Speaker 7: His wide game.

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Speaker 13: I know.

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Speaker 4: Veryasy. Please for me help me to grab that. I mes.

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Speaker 14: A stream method ganna to f that uzy key listen

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Speaker 14: is not chaddy.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 10: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love that song has been in my head. I

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Speaker 1: wake up with it, And is that how you wrote it?

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Speaker 1: Let me just wake up with it, because that's how

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Speaker 1: it feels when it's in my head.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I was around the house, like in

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Speaker 6: the kitchen, and the song started coming and it made

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Speaker 6: me cry when I first started getting it, wow, because

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Speaker 6: I was like, chattering mind, Oh yeah, that is what

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Speaker 6: I have. It's pretty constant. And at first the song

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Speaker 6: was called nameless, but now it's called home Inside because

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Speaker 6: they both really capture the essence of what the song

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Speaker 6: means to me. But home Inside is better because everyone has.

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Speaker 1: One Yeah, even if you don't feel settled in your

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Speaker 1: home home, right, and that's such an intense thing.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and you'll be here.

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Speaker 6: In the world and all the busyness of it and

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Speaker 6: even of your own mind, your own doubts, your own fears,

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Speaker 6: you calm that heavy white waves that come through your life?

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Speaker 6: And so the song was like a little gift for me, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: to be able to calm my mind in the moment

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Speaker 6: that I'm singing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of how I feel with a lot

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Speaker 1: of your songs, that maybe they are your own sort

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Speaker 1: of almost like a mantra, you know, and they come

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Speaker 1: you use and then you give them to everyone else

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Speaker 1: by singing them, you know, to us. But that's sort

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Speaker 1: of how they a lot of them feel to me, a.

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Speaker 10: Lot of the ones lately for sure.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I'm like in a place now whereas

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Speaker 6: before of receiving these songs like this way, But before

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Speaker 6: I was more in the place.

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Speaker 10: Of just learning how to write a song. Yeah, just

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Speaker 10: learning the art of it and just anything that came.

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Speaker 6: Just breaking it down and being like Okay, that's the chorus, Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's the verse. Okay, that's going to be a bridge

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Speaker 6: and structure. But now I just like I'm not having

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Speaker 6: to think about the songwriting as much. I'm more able

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Speaker 6: to just go to a little place in the ether

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Speaker 6: and be in that space and dance.

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Speaker 10: Channel it, yeah, and have fun.

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Speaker 1: But isn't that the best place to be.

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Speaker 6: It's what we do when we're like, that's where we

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Speaker 6: want to get when we're learning a new instrument or

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Speaker 6: we're practice and we want to get to the place

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Speaker 6: where we're just like able to soar.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's where I want it to be.

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Speaker 1: For years. It's like you developed your muscle memory and

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Speaker 1: you know how song stretcher goes, so it's not and

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Speaker 1: even if you go against it, it's great. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of the beauty of it. You learn, Yeah, you learn

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Speaker 1: the rules to break them. Yeah. I love that, and

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Speaker 1: I feel that with all your songs, but it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel that in the new ones too, in a

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Speaker 1: special way. Do you remember the first song you wrote?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean I wrote a lot of songs when

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Speaker 1: Did you make sure and trees and frogs? That's what

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Speaker 1: I was wondering. You probably don't even remember the very first, right, not.

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Speaker 6: The very first, But I do remember when I decided

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Speaker 6: I was gonna try to be a songwriter. I was

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Speaker 6: about eighteen, and I lived in Memphis, and I would

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Speaker 6: take gospel songs that I've been singing.

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Speaker 10: My whole life, and I would hear melodies to those songs.

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Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, so yeah, that's well, that's how you learn.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 10: M That's kind of how I did.

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Speaker 6: It is just mixing in a gospel song with some

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Speaker 6: of my own lyrics and learning those patterns of the

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Speaker 6: songs that I've been singing for eighteen years every Sunday morning,

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Speaker 6: every Sunday night, and every Wednesday night at church.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a lot of church.

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Speaker 10: I's eighteen, that's a lot of church.

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Speaker 1: So everybody's singing church.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But were there instruments?

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Speaker 10: No instruments.

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Speaker 1: See, that's what I find is so unique about your

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Speaker 1: church upbringing. That is so different.

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Speaker 7: It really is.

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Speaker 1: It's not that common.

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 10: Because most churches want to have those instruments.

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Speaker 6: But in our Church of Christ, you can't dance and

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Speaker 6: you can't play instruments.

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Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, and I've seen you dance now, so

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Speaker 1: that that's why you're such a good dancer. I think now.

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Speaker 10: Dance every day, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: I love that.

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Speaker 1: That is so wild to me though that I remember

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Speaker 1: when we first stayed in the same house together over

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Speaker 1: that Thanksgiving when you were making that record and you

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Speaker 1: would dance every morning. Yeah, And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. That's a cool way to exercise every morning.

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Speaker 1: Just put on a cool playlist.

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Speaker 10: And if you're on the road, you can do it

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Speaker 10: in the hotel room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't have to find a gross gym exactly

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Speaker 10: So even if it's just two minutes, it's usually what

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Speaker 6: But for the last two months this summer, I started

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Speaker 6: to jog, and that's a different kind of energy, and

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Speaker 6: I miss my dance and so I got to go

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Speaker 6: me feel like I can, like my creativity is a

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Speaker 6: little better when I just listen to music and I

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just so fun. It just it starts your

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Speaker 1: day with such good energy. It's true, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit last night, and I

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Speaker 1: wish we'd recorded it all because we were talking about

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Speaker 1: the good energy. Right, Yeah, you have really good energy.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, was she just born with that or

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Speaker 1: is that something she's like turned herself into. But I

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Speaker 10: I think we all are born with it.

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Speaker 1: See, that's the right answer this is that's a question

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Speaker 1: coming from someone who doesn't start their day with good energy, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: We have to like practice it though, to keep it

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Speaker 6: And for me, it's a twenty four hour a day

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Speaker 6: practice to work on my energy because I know how

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Speaker 6: dark I can be, and I know that when I

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Speaker 10: I'm not a morning person. I feel very like.

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Speaker 6: Just heavy to be in the world sometimes and know

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Speaker 6: it has to be a practice for me to shift

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Speaker 6: my energy out of that dark space to what I

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Speaker 10: What I know we can be.

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Speaker 1: And that is such an amazing way to start every day.

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Speaker 10: That's pretty much the whole day.

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Speaker 6: One of my favorite things growing up as you know,

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Speaker 6: with all those years of church, they would say pray

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Speaker 6: without ceasing. And I never really got that until I

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Speaker 6: started living my life with the practice of positivity. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: because I have to make that something that doesn't cease

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't let it get you, the darkness.

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Speaker 10: No, yeah, just staying ahead of it.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of like, yeah, it'll get you, but you

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Speaker 6: can't let it take over exactactly.

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Speaker 10: It's always there.

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Speaker 6: But I also see it as like a fuel for

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Speaker 6: for us all Like when we have something heavier dark,

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Speaker 6: if we think of ourselves as an alchemist, then we

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Speaker 6: that's dark into a goldenner sterling thing, a golden moment.

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Speaker 10: So versus using it as something that's just gonna keep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to start practicing the Valerie. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can do it, and all the elements are

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Speaker 10: Eers? Okay, this song?

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Speaker 1: So when we when you made that your last album,

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Speaker 1: That was fun. It was so I got it. I

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Speaker 1: it was the most beautiful thing. It had that nighttime

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Speaker 14: It really did.

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Speaker 10: It had a nighttime energy.

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Speaker 1: It was beautiful and you open the record with it,

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Speaker 1: Well, the whole record is beautiful and it's great, but

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Speaker 1: So this is called Long Lonely Road, and I love

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I'll play a little bit good piano.

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Speaker 6: Alien the church bureaus, Grandma, the best Jesus road.

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Speaker 7: Guys rose a star and.

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Speaker 10: Stove about the one way baby. So the dog guitar.

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Speaker 4: Cast after that, all for the call.

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Speaker 10: We're gonna hit the dusty row.

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Speaker 9: Before we risking bear Hello, Spin alone, Spin a long line,

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Speaker 6: Pipe, signed to spread and us spas hard work and

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Speaker 4: To sunset pain. This body worked to the crown.

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Speaker 9: Folks thought we had and made because we always kept

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Speaker 8: Spending out the bills were paid. It's that groan and

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Speaker 10: Spinning, long long.

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Speaker 13: Lean along long, long, long lonely road.

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Speaker 15: Spend alone, been alone, long bend along long, long, long

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Speaker 13: Long, been a long, long, long long, My my mis.

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Speaker 4: Longe long, been a long, long, long long.

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Speaker 14: It's been a long time since I saying that song, good,

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Speaker 14: God just made me think about my dad.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure, just a crazy thing to sing a song

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Speaker 16: See that's that's intense, and just feel like so grateful

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Speaker 16: for everything he did for us, and excited that I

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Speaker 1: I know that's good.

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Speaker 10: Okay, we did that. Sorry, if I'm gonna cry all day,

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Speaker 10: it's the Lord.

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Speaker 6: You might have to get a.

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Speaker 10: Box of tissues if that's gonna happen. But I think

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Speaker 10: play it on the piano. I think it just did

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Speaker 5: Oh, so which one would you like to go to?

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Speaker 1: Let's try with you? Yeah, I love this song. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: That's a good one to do. Yeah, well I wrote

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Speaker 10: So I had to love energy around me, so a

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Speaker 7: Can I have a stance?

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Speaker 4: Shall we take a chance? So do long pine?

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Speaker 10: Or to sartur Pine?

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Speaker 4: Is it dussy dove? Is it tot the top plan

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Speaker 4: You grow a love song great.

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Speaker 14: And basketball sod even true and a basketball so.

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Speaker 17: Gotten bastards for redoping much better.

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Speaker 4: Riser came on the well be my.

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Speaker 11: An it baspar how deep and truth, and a bastabar so.

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Speaker 8: D may it be read, maybe read.

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Speaker 12: Very week rose any day we use heaven none long.

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Speaker 4: We kept this set larn strong.

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Speaker 18: You read by a song, but we kill all off

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Speaker 1: I love that one. It's so it's like a bird

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Speaker 6: I love the way you played the piano on it.

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Speaker 6: It's a similar to a xylophone. The sounds, the way

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Speaker 1: Well your guitar parts so cool. I was trying to

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: It's good.

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Speaker 6: Let me think what happens when I do it. I

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Speaker 1: Well, it's such a beautiful like beginning to love, prayer

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Speaker 10: I love songs because.

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Speaker 1: I love love. Oh, I know what you mean. I

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Speaker 1: did you hear I mean you guys listen to music

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so my father listened through a lot of music.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like a ton of music, right, yeah, Like, so

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Speaker 6: I would think they were more worry about love but

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Speaker 1: So right, and that's like the cool secret song stuff

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Speaker 1: I remember whenever, whenever our son was born, we heard

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Speaker 1: But for me when we had the baby, it was

449
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: very like a lot. It went deeper all of a sudden.

450
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And it makes you wonder.

451
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 6: Well. I like the idea of views and love because

452
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 6: you know, metaphorically, because people are open to it. So

453
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 6: you write a song about love two people dancing together,

454
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 6: the whole world could be looked at that way.

455
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

456
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 6: Can we create something like just beautiful and not think

457
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 6: about the heavy judgments or dark energies their negativity?

458
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 10: How do we?

459
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 16: You know?

460
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 10: Love is huge, just so vast that I can't even

461
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 10: wrap my mind around.

462
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: I know, it's such a it's such a like thread

463
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: to life that you don't think about all the all

464
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: the time. But it's like, hello, just do that and

465
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: you be a little better. Yeah, even if it's with

466
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: your crouchitty neighbor. Yeah, send them some love. Yeah, I

467
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: love it.

468
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 10: I'm gonna write a song for you.

469
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 12: Yeah.

470
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't be crotchety. So growing up listening to

471
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: records that your parents put on, your dad mostly or

472
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: your mom too.

473
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 10: My dad he would play music, usually out in the car.

474
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

475
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 10: That was like his man cave the car.

476
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

477
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 10: So he would go out there and bop okay.

478
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Without even going anywhere.

479
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, he would not go anywhere.

480
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 14: He would just like he had like a soap whoofer

481
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 14: in there, and like he would just bump in the drop.

482
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 8: Okay.

483
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Now I'm picturing it because I got I met your dad.

484
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: I met your dad when we were in Memphis. I'm

485
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: picturing it.

486
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 6: He loves music and he would just go be like, okay,

487
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 6: five kids and your wife in this house.

488
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 10: I'm out. I'm just gonna go sit in my car

489
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 10: and listen to some music.

490
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: So we are you allowed to go out there?

491
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 6: Yeah?

492
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 10: I didn't care.

493
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't like nobody can come with me. Yeah. Yeah,

494
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: So you guys went out and just hung out in

495
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the car and listen to music.

496
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, blues, mostly gospel blues and R and B.

497
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 6: That's what he loved, okay, And he knew that I

498
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 6: love doll journners and music. And he couldn't understand that

499
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 6: until the end. Till close to the end of his life,

500
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 6: he was like, Oh, I get it now, that's it.

501
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 6: Before he was like, why do you listen to music

502
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 6: that's not this?

503
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just didn't get it.

504
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm like, I listen to everything.

505
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 6: I love Bobby blue Byan, I love Johnny Taylor, I

506
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 6: love like Tupac, and I love Dolly Parker, Yeah, Tina Turner.

507
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: And he didn't give a lot of it. Yeah, that's funny.

508
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 6: And I think a lot of times people haven't had

509
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 6: in their minds that we can't listen to that because

510
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 6: that's not for our color.

511
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy.

512
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 10: Yeah it is.

513
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: But I mean everybody sort of subscribes to that at

514
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: a certain point and then let's it go.

515
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 6: I think it's changed a lot now because of the

516
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 6: Internet and just having access to whatever we want. We

517
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: can listen to music from any country anytime period.

518
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? It's like it's almost too.

519
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 10: Much, it is.

520
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: I can't hear everything I want to hear now, but

521
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: it's amazing. But if you're stuck. It was funny because

522
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: our kids when we listened to streaming and everything, and

523
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: we got them at FM radio recently just for fun

524
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: because then they don't have a choice. And it's how

525
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: we grew up. You know, find something on the radio,

526
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: but you're not like searching on a computer for you know,

527
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: or like a smartphone for a like a smart playlist.

528
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just less thinking involved, which is

529
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: kind of nice, and you just hear what's there, what's

530
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: being played. Yeah, but back when we were growing up,

531
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: that was fun.

532
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 6: I know.

533
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, they must think we're ancient. I know, I

534
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 10: know what you listen to FM radio?

535
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: When did you How did you discover the music that

536
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: wasn't your dad's music? Were you older?

537
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 6: No, if you grew up in Tennessee, then if you

538
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 6: go to the Walmart or to Bigs's Barn or anywhere Kroger,

539
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 6: they're going to be playing something different.

540
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 10: That's not necessarily what.

541
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: You would hear. Yeah, it's just kind of in the air. Yeah,

542
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: that's how I was in Texas. It was like I

543
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't think that I listened to a lot

544
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: of country music growing up, but it was in the water.

545
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was like everywhere. It's part of me.

546
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't matter at the airport, no matter where

547
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 6: you go, exactly, music and and that just surrounded me.

548
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 6: And if I hear a good song even now, I

549
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 6: don't care what g on the radio is.

550
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 10: I love good songs. I just love them, That's what matters.

551
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 6: So I just collected all the good ones and I'd

552
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 6: play him around the house at school.

553
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 10: My parents be like, what going on?

554
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Did your siblings do the same.

555
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 10: Or were you more of the they did?

556
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: They did.

557
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 6: And my brother Jason, my older brother, loves country music.

558
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 6: He actually was playing it around the house before I started. Okay,

559
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 6: and then Patrick, my younger brother, plays too.

560
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, when did you guys get instruments? Well we

561
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: didn't really.

562
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 6: My grandfather had a guitar, the one I'm singing about

563
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 6: in Long Lonely Road, that was in the closet for

564
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 6: my whole life till I was fifteen, and I begged

565
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 6: him for it.

566
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 10: I begged him all day at a holiday, please Granddad,

567
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 10: can I have it?

568
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 6: Please?

569
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 9: Granddad? Can I have it?

570
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 10: And grit and he was now you can't have that

571
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 10: because all the kids knew.

572
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: There's about fourteen grandkids and when they all knew, for

573
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 6: all of our lives, don't touch the guitar in the closet.

574
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 10: But it never came out. No one ever played it.

575
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I had an interest in learning it, and

576
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 6: so finally it was like midnight and I was still please,

577
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 6: and my grandmother was.

578
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: Like, Clyde, give her that guitar.

579
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 10: You won't play that guitar. It's been there for twenty

580
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 10: years and you ain't played it. So he gave it

581
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 10: to me.

582
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 6: And I didn't learn how to play it until I

583
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 6: was in my twenties and he was already gone, so

584
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 6: he never got to see me play it.

585
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 10: But he actually started this, He started all of it, yeah.

586
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Just keeping it in the closet. Yeah, and you never

587
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: heard him play it.

588
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 10: No, he couldn't play.

589
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 5: He couldn't.

590
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 10: But he got it from the yards there.

591
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, and I think he told himself one day,

592
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 6: I want to learn it, but no, and then we

593
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 6: didn't have instruments in the house. But when I started

594
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 6: playing the guitar, then my younger.

595
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 10: Brother got interested in it.

596
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: But you were in your twenties so get.

597
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 6: He picks up music way easier than I do, and

598
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 6: he plays guitar and I didn't know, but he plays

599
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 6: piano and he writes really pretty songs.

600
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: And you guys are just musical.

601
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

602
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I always sang you grew up musical.

603
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, singing though using our voice like yeah. And then

604
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 6: in our later age we started playing instruments.

605
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: So when you started playing guitar, was it more by

606
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: a year at first or you just pick out stuff

607
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: that you were hearing, or did you like study a

608
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: chord book or get any lessons or anything.

609
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 10: When I first started, I got a chord book and

610
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 10: I tried and failed. And that was when I was

611
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 10: around fifteen.

612
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 6: And also had an art teacher who would play a

613
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 6: kissy guitar while we did art in high school, and

614
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 6: so he tried to teach me some stuff, but it just.

615
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Like a teacher.

616
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 10: He was so cool. He sounds like Jamiat, that's cool.

617
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 6: So he was so cool, and he tried to teach

618
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 6: me some stuff, but it just didn't stick. And then

619
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 6: when I moved to Memphis, I met this amazing musician,

620
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 6: Andy Cohen, and he tried to teach me some stuff,

621
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 6: but it didn't stick. And I lived with my boyfriend

622
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 6: and then became my husband, who played guitar beautifully, and

623
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 6: he played it all the time around the house, and

624
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 6: he never tried to teach me because the dynamic between

625
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 6: us was disastrous musically.

626
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 10: But I still pushed it.

627
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 6: So I was around the people who played and I

628
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 6: was just so curious. But I have no rhythm and

629
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: I have no musical really, yeah, I find it.

630
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: Hard to believe because I feel like, you have great time.

631
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I had to learn it it really, it really didn't

632
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: come naturally. Oh no, wow.

633
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was the one on the chilling squad in

634
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 10: the back like wait, wait, said to me, are you black?

635
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 6: Are you?

636
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Are you a black girl?

637
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 15: Wait?

638
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 5: Can we go back?

639
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: You're a cheerleader? Yeah, okay, let's go back to that now.

640
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 7: Yeah for how long?

641
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 10: From junior high to the end?

642
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: So, oh my god. Yeah, I tried to be a

643
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: cheerleader in sixth grade and I was really excited about it.

644
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: My mom wouldn't let me really know. She said no,

645
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: and I was so bummed at the time, you know,

646
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: but I think it was just too expensive, Like you

647
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: had to go to cheerleading camp and you had to

648
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: get all the outfits. It was just too much. She

649
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to commit.

650
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 18: It was a lot.

651
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 10: I didn't think about it like that.

652
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of dancing, right, I mean, we're gymnastics,

653
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, and you didn't have rhythm on the

654
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: cheerleading squad. That's a bad thing to not have ader.

655
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 6: I know.

656
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: They always used to make fun of me, and I'd

657
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: like to see a picture also, Yeah, I.

658
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 10: Got some pictures uniforms.

659
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 6: I love that.

660
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 13: Yeah.

661
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 6: And after that, my little sisters they decided to be cheerleaders.

662
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 6: So we have a lot of cheerleaders in the family.

663
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 6: And my grandmother used to always say cheers.

664
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: Oh really, see like a family of singing cheerleaders. Yes,

665
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: we all love to sing and cheer, but that cheering

666
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: is a positive thing. I wonder if that ties into

667
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: your you know, I don't know, maybe that's a stretch,

668
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe that's like just in your family because

669
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: of all the cheering.

670
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you're right. I never really thought about

671
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 10: it that way, but sure, yeah, we definitely have that thought.

672
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 10: Oh man, what were you thinking it?

673
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: I say, you call me a fool, Okay, let's do it.

674
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Call me a fool, call me a fool. I love

675
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: this song. So it's so and again it's just that simple,

676
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: like straight to the bone.

677
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 10: I'm just a fool, No you're not.

678
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: But did you grow up listening to Carl Karla Thomas.

679
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 10: Unconsciously?

680
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that in the water.

681
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 16: Yeah.

682
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 10: And I didn't know until I got older and I

683
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 10: moved to Memphis.

684
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 6: That she was the one who sang the song oh

685
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: yeah baby or with otis and stuff.

686
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 10: But living in Memphis for ten years, that's.

687
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 6: Where I like, would hear Carla's going to be at

688
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 6: the Cooper Young Festival, or Carla's going to be playing

689
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 6: a few songs down at Isaac's Hayes Club or wherever

690
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 6: that she would show up and so, and she didn't

691
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 6: do very many shows. So I saw her around town

692
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 6: for ten years. And then I moved to New York

693
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 6: and I never met her.

694
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: You never did.

695
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 10: But I listened basically for two years every day.

696
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 14: To what a Fool Love Been by her amazing, And

697
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 14: when I was working on Komia Fool, I was like,

698
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 14: I really need to ask Boo Mitchell if he knows

699
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 14: Carla's number, so I could see she would sing with.

700
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Me on this song.

701
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: It's so cool, yeah, she did.

702
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 6: And her voice is just so beautiful. It's crystal clear,

703
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 6: like her soprano. And she went to school yeah for

704
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 6: classical and sopranos sing. Yeah wow, her college degrees in

705
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 6: that and and so yeah, I mean she's just amazing

706
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 6: and she has so many stories. I want you to

707
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: got to meet her.

708
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she sounds amazing, she's so good.

709
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've met some saints in my life, Mayvis, Carla,

710
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: and Sister Peace.

711
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 10: Those are my three saints. Well, also met Ama, who

712
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 10: is a saint from India. So I met a lot

713
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 10: of saints. Oh oh wow, you.

714
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Met her yeah the actual scene Yeah yeah, technically yeah,

715
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: the literal saint. I didn't even meet her. That's cool.

716
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 7: Yeah.

717
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 10: And I feel like Carla and Mavis said they have

718
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 10: that kind of joy energy, like.

719
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's that thing we keep coming back to. And

720
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Mavis definitely has that.

721
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 10: Oh I got been from her.

722
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty great being around her.

723
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 10: She can lift the whole building of people.

724
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how she does it, but it's amazing,

725
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: so good, it's so good. And so Carlo is the

726
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: same she is. I want to go to Memphis with you.

727
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah again for sure. That was a short trip

728
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: we did, but.

729
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 10: Well we'll go.

730
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: And I mean to me, I really like Royal Studios

731
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 6: there now I've been just it's Willie Mitchell's studio and

732
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 6: everything is as he left it, so it's a little

733
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 6: bit like, you know, the carpets the same from back then,

734
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 6: the walls are the same everything.

735
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 10: Yes, Bobby, that's very good.

736
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 6: The records like Gold Records and People's in Al Green

737
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 6: and Otis Clay and all these amazing Memphis musicians on

738
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 6: high records, all their records are still in there and everything.

739
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: That's such a good energy to walk into.

740
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, Memphis Horns.

741
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Did you do some of the new record there?

742
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: Yes?

743
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so you did this one there?

744
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 10: Did it there?

745
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 8: All right?

746
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 10: Well should we do it?

747
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 7: Let's do it.

748
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to be Carlo, so I'm just

749
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: gonna feel my way round.

750
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 10: Okay. They call me a food, they call me a food.

751
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 9: They heard four a heart that's gone a new love bone.

752
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 7: But I had it on a control.

753
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: Controlling but it should mere grab my saw.

754
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, this should we go?

755
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 12: Ord knock compand in on the Dowie hood in mock company.

756
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 7: When I knew I had to let it go.

757
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: Don't you know he said I could help you.

758
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: Don't you know?

759
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: I said I could help. Don't you know he said

760
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: I could bug and know little su could tug bribe

761
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: this new love so strongly love this new love. He

762
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: is so shun But it's a power keeps.

763
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 7: Me all long.

764
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: You ain't come, don't come.

765
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: For your baby.

766
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 7: Fear food anytime, fear food.

767
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 4: Anytime, anytime, bloody.

768
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 7: But I've been listening.

769
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: Things have been different. But I guess the cause it

770
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: followay them.

771
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 6: When it's a Troy play thing you sent.

772
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 7: Back ball or even taking me.

773
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, laden drink and stand drunk all day, rid

774
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 6: me creeping.

775
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 7: But this night and night got my twisted turned head

776
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 7: upside down.

777
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: Jest a fool dying around.

778
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 7: It's making me food.

779
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: They can't.

780
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 8: For your little.

781
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: Baked Be a food.

782
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 7: Any time, Be a foon any time in a time, love,

783
00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 7: She t me, weird by your face, be a pool time,

784
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 7: be a pool a time any time.

785
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 17: Bloodydayday Daddy Dodd, weird.

786
00:46:51,320 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 7: B be a pool and be a pool term And it's.

787
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 5: That I had it on the control.

788
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yay. I love how you going that way. It's

789
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: like you are daring them to call you a fool.

790
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, you call me a fool.

791
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: Go for it.

792
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: I want you to. Oh my god, that little shy

793
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: with those copy harmonies, the call response. But I love it.

794
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: That's a great song.

795
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 10: We enjoyed singing it.

796
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

797
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 6: Well, you know her voice whenever we get to the end,

798
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 6: and she's just like soaring these beautiful, high, long notes like.

799
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I love it, And she could just go

800
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 10: higher and higher and hire and I'm just like.

801
00:47:59,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 7: You do.

802
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Her voice is so hot, so open and high. Still. Yeah,

803
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: It's crazy how some people as they get older they

804
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: keep that. And then there's Joni Mitchell. She drops like

805
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: five octaves, you.

806
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 10: Know, and I love both and I love both.

807
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dolly too. She's still up high, I know.

808
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm like, that's a gift, it is, saying up there.

809
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: That's a great one. When you were growing up, did

810
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: your dad promote shows?

811
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 6: He did? Yeah, yeah, he promoted like the year I

812
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 6: was in the Bailey Prince really his first show.

813
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. I think you told me that. Really.

814
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 13: Yeah.

815
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 6: I didn't get to go to the show because I

816
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 6: was still in there, but I guess I was there,

817
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 6: but I wasn't there.

818
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Did your mom go?

819
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 6: She did?

820
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Okay, she was there.

821
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 10: She would be open with the business, so she was

822
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 10: always there.

823
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 8: And the ant.

824
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 10: People like Bobby Romack and a lot of gospel acts

825
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 10: and stuff.

826
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: So some music, mostly music he would listen to though,

827
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, if he was a fan.

828
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 10: He tried to bring the artists to our town. Well

829
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 10: that's so cool.

830
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he met so many artists their way, Like

831
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 6: he would just go to shows and meet the artist

832
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 6: and try to say, hey, come back to our town

833
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 6: if you like, because they always went to Memphis or Nashville.

834
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: So he would promote the shows in Jackson. Yeah, and

835
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: where just wherever?

836
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 6: Coliseum? Okay, so we have a coliseum there and a

837
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 6: civic center.

838
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: Wait, that's a big show. Yeah, okay, I didn't realize

839
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: it was like that, or college is like okay, he

840
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: would grow pretty big shows then, Yeah, he did.

841
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 6: The Prince show was at the University of Martin, which

842
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 6: is a state college.

843
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 10: Okay, so sometimes at schools if he could get her

844
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 10: all the ducks in a row, that's pretty great.

845
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 14: Yeah.

846
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: So did you grow up going to those shows?

847
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 6: As I got older, I would work the shows, so

848
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 6: I would set up the green room and stuff. But

849
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 6: at night, when over the shows would occur, I couldn't

850
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 6: go because I'm a kid, and yeah, they'd.

851
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 10: Be like, no, you gotta stay home.

852
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: But you would hear sound checks. I would hear sound checks,

853
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: So you grew up listening to people sound check.

854
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I knew it was just kind of a

855
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 10: weirdy on that side of it.

856
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: It's a cool thing to actually witness in different.

857
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 14: Seeing the speakers come in and I'm all ready get

858
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 14: set up and stuff the road cases.

859
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.

860
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 10: And being back there bag State.

861
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool for a kid. Yeah yeah, but

862
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: that's a really unique perspective.

863
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 10: I feel like idiots, you know.

864
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 6: I was glad I got that, and also that I

865
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 6: saw the other side of it, where is the front

866
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 6: and and I didn't want to be on that side.

867
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 10: I wanted to be on the stage side. So it

868
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 10: was good training.

869
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: You knew it, Yeah, from an early age.

870
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 10: You thought that I knew I wanted to be a singer. Yeah, okay,

871
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 10: I did, and I want it to really bad.

872
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 6: But I didn't think it was possible for me because

873
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 6: my voice it's weird, and there weren't singers on the

874
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 6: radio who sounded like me.

875
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: No, there really weren't. But that's what's so great about you.

876
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, to find your own voice. It's like the

877
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: most special thing. But when you're a kid, you don't.

878
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: You don't get that.

879
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 6: Nobody in the world and the family got it. Oh,

880
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 6: they'd be like, you want to be a singer, saying Okay.

881
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: That's not very encouraging. Oh no, no, yet, look at

882
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: what you've done.

883
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 10: They caught me a food Yeah, no way, I dare you,

884
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 10: dare you? That's what I'm gonna do. You watch.

885
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: That's perseverance, you know, like without a lot of encouragement.

886
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, that's kind of intense. Yeah man, I'm okay.

887
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 10: What it takes for a flower to flower?

888
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically you get it. Man. I love it. I

889
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: love your story. I have another favorite song of yours

890
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: that I would want. I would I was going to

891
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: ask if you would play it. This is from that

892
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: was your first album that you did with Dan?

893
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 15: Yeah?

894
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: Back and how did you end up recording with him?

895
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: I he was living in Memphis.

896
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 6: No, he lived in Nashville and he was just finishing

897
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 6: Easy Eye Studios. I think I was one of the

898
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 6: first people to record in there.

899
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 18: Cool.

900
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 10: It's a cool place.

901
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 6: And I met this guy, Kevin Agunis, and I just

902
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 6: raised money with Kickstarter and so I needed to make

903
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 6: a record because I had the money, and Kevin asked.

904
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 6: He asked me one day at Central Barbecue and Memphis

905
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 6: were waiting in line to get our barbecues, like.

906
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 10: Who would you like to work with?

907
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 6: And I said, well, I really like the music of

908
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 6: Dan Auerbach. I like what he does with the like

909
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 6: he's would also like his solo stuff. And he was like,

910
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 6: I was just with him last week because they were

911
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 6: working on a project together.

912
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 10: He was like, let me ask him if you want

913
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 10: to write songs with you? And he did, and so

914
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 10: we went to John Prime's studio because Dan studio.

915
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 6: I didn't even know Dan was building a studio, okay,

916
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 6: but he was friends with John and he would work

917
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 6: out a John Studios. So we met at John Prin's

918
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 6: studio and we wrote Tennessee Time there and you Can't

919
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 6: Be Told. And at the end of our writing session,

920
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 6: he was like, would you like to make a record

921
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 6: And I was like sure. He was like, well, I

922
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 6: have a studio here in Nashville. It's almost Spanish, so

923
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 6: if you want to, we can go in and make

924
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 6: a record.

925
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 10: And so we did and it was like my first

926
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 10: record that I've ever made. But we'd also he.

927
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 6: Invited me too to sing at SuperJAM and Bonneru with him,

928
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 6: which is where I met like all the people like

929
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 6: Leon Michaels and people like that because they were in

930
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 6: the band Black He's in. Well yeah, but it was

931
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 6: also just that super gym.

932
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 10: They invited like.

933
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: The house band for that.

934
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 10: Okay, I got and Doctor John.

935
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: It was like a ton of Ohlen told me about

936
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: that was it was?

937
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 10: It was amazing, Yeah, it was.

938
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

939
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 6: Just standing beside Doctor John was cool and talk about

940
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 6: Zian he was so Zeen really yeah that is so cool,

941
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 6: like bad ass sing.

942
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: I bet yeah, he had that vibe.

943
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: And so Dan and I met and.

944
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 6: Then we ended up working on Pushing Up against the

945
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 6: Stone and and that was the last time I worked

946
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 6: with him.

947
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 10: But I've I've loved everything that they've been doing.

948
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great, but that album is great and to

949
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: have that, you know, that was your first album. Was

950
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: it weird to be in the studio after just playing

951
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, do it? I assume you were doing a

952
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: lot of gigs.

953
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 6: And well not I was doing a lot of gigs

954
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 6: like solo stuff, and I was just getting started. And

955
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 6: it was very weird for me to be in the

956
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 6: studio because I'd never like made a record myself before

957
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 6: my husband and I made a record at a studio

958
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 6: in Memphis, so.

959
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: You'd had a little experience in the studio.

960
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 10: Not much so not like you know, those songs that

961
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 10: we did.

962
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 6: We had been playing on ITS shows, and I had

963
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 6: an experience going in and basically starting from scratch.

964
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 10: And doing a record, and I was so nervous. I

965
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 10: was like it was like going like to me, it

966
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 10: was like.

967
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 6: Very like going in for a procedure or something where

968
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 6: I was scared and nervous.

969
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 10: What's the outcomes?

970
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: But were you able to sort of shed that as

971
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: as the like time went on in the studio or

972
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: not really.

973
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 6: I don't think I shadded until my second record, okay,

974
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 6: and even with the third record, this one, Mooning Stars

975
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 6: even more.

976
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 10: But it's something about.

977
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 6: Me with studios, like if I know I'm going it's

978
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 6: like this is a photograph, it's gonna last for yeah,

979
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 6: but that's.

980
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 13: What it is.

981
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: That's it's stressful because of that yeah, and it can't

982
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: go back. It's like the songs. Songs are kind of alive,

983
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: don't you think I do. So it's like, oh, let's

984
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: take your senior prime picture right now, but give it

985
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: to everybody.

986
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 14: And I went back at the senior pictures and I'm like,

987
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 14: award that.

988
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like that's like your freshman picture Dan. Yeah,

989
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: but but it's weird. But as long as you I

990
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: started recently in the studio, I have that same thing,

991
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: especially if it's a song I really love or have

992
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: played too much. I like recording when I haven't played

993
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: a song too much. I think I get better versions

994
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: that way. But there's different sides to that. But recently

995
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I just kept telling myself in the studio, like, it's

996
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: all good. It's just it's just it's just it's just

997
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: sounds and words and people will get the idea because

998
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: you're just putting them together and this is not brain surgery,

999
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: and wrong notes are fine, and it's just the vibe.

1000
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: It has to be good, you know. I just like

1001
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: tell myself that just sort of not get too caught

1002
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: up and like, but that wasn't quite what I thought

1003
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: it would be, you know. Yeah, it's like a whole thing.

1004
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 6: And I've had to do that in my career in general,

1005
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 6: let go of what I thought it was going to be,

1006
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 6: because when I get on stage, the sound doesn't sound

1007
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 6: ever live.

1008
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 10: What I thought it was.

1009
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: Going to be was different than playing in like in

1010
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: your dressing room, tied singing, and it's just so different,

1011
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: so different.

1012
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 6: So I've had to change what making music is in

1013
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 6: my head, like it's okay to make a mistake.

1014
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 10: It's okay if the.

1015
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 6: Sound check it sounds different than the live show. What

1016
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 6: I'm supposed to do is just sing and play.

1017
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 10: And when I go in the.

1018
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 6: Studio, even though I still have that nervousness, it's okay,

1019
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 6: Like you said, yeah, if we love it, just don't

1020
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 6: feel shy saying can I do that one more time? Yeah?

1021
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 10: I feel like that.

1022
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: Kind of confidence for my art when I first started,

1023
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 6: where I had that voice to say.

1024
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: Guys or girls, can I go? Can we try it again? Yeah?

1025
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: Can we try it slower?

1026
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1027
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: But it's like you don't know in the beginning that

1028
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: you you're a loud or something, and especially if you're

1029
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: in a situation where there's someone else sort of at

1030
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: the at the wheel, like a producer, even if it's

1031
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: a great producer who's very kind, you just think that

1032
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: there they'll tell you if you need to do it again,

1033
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: and then you don't really know in the beginning that

1034
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: you can also.

1035
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 10: Say that, yeah, it goes both ways.

1036
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: It's actually your thing, so you definitely should if you're

1037
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: not feeling comfortable. But it's confusing in the beginning when

1038
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: you're young and shy.

1039
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I found now that most producers want you

1040
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 6: to say, hey, ca and if you don't feel like

1041
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 6: that was your most confident take, then they want you

1042
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 6: to say what's on your mind. But it took three

1043
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 6: records for me to get that confidence around making some records,

1044
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 6: and so I feel a little better about going in

1045
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 6: and even with this last record, learning how to do

1046
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 6: stuff in logic and record a little bit on my own.

1047
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you were home.

1048
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, So that was a whole other side of

1049
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 6: things where I will hear musicians talk about plug ins

1050
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 6: and gear and get so intimidated, like what's the plugins?

1051
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 10: And now I actually know what that is, and I know,

1052
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 10: you know you they intoineer basic stuff.

1053
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: That's great, I mean, that's that's the way it is now.

1054
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: Even even out of lockdown. That's just the way it is. Yeah, true. Oh,

1055
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about life on the road.

1056
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: Do you like being on the road. Do you feel

1057
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: like that's a comfortable home for you, life on the

1058
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: road as a touring musician, or do you struggle with it?

1059
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 6: After having like I've been doing that for about a

1060
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 6: decade and having the pandemic happen where I.

1061
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 10: Finally had to be home like for a year like everyone.

1062
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 6: Else, I realized how much I enjoy being home and

1063
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 6: so like, it's now so.

1064
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: Great it made you want to fine tune it a

1065
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: little more.

1066
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1067
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, and when when going for the gigs, either go

1068
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 6: and come home sooner or pace the shows.

1069
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 10: Where I'm able to enjoy the travel a little better.

1070
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, yeah, take a little more control over the

1071
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: joy of touring. Yeah yeah, get I got it, instead

1072
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: of just like doing everything you can and getting tired

1073
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: and homesick.

1074
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 10: So tired. I didn't realize until I stopped how tired

1075
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 10: I would.

1076
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: I heard that from a lot of people over you know,

1077
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: the whole.

1078
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 10: Pandemic, even with different professions.

1079
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean it's just modern life too.

1080
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

1081
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 6: We do have a lot to do in this modern

1082
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 6: time versus people living with the sun, you know, where

1083
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 6: they wake in the morning with the sun and they

1084
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 6: go to bed with the fun.

1085
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: They don't have to. Yeah, I know, it's a simpler thing. Yeah,

1086
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: well this has been so awesome.

1087
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 10: Yeah fun.

1088
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you, my friend, and I

1089
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: love you even more after music with you. It's so fun.

1090
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1091
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: Can we do one song to end it?

1092
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 16: Yes?

1093
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: I do love this song from your first album called

1094
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: Twined and Twisted. Okay, okay, well I.

1095
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 7: Thought your numb.

1096
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: Stuck in my phone. Oh but I can't find it

1097
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 4: no way and the Sages space Wailer borrow time ha

1098
01:02:49,160 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 4: got it pity to people see Lake the episode Long.

1099
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 7: Shag can key Through.

1100
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 4: I got no place and so.

1101
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 11: Shackle bound bound bound Basty.

1102
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 4: Brow sad and I gotta placing sod.

1103
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 11: Shackle bun bound bound boasty Bromla's run from my bam

1104
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 11: mave drifting from my home, and I was thinkingnot of.

1105
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 8: Be thinking, Yeah, I'm going.

1106
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 11: That's young weez up the answer shave.

1107
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 13: We found out a mile.

1108
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 4: And everything about New.

1109
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 11: Trys trnd in Treetay true.

1110
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 4: Then I got no place episode.

1111
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 11: Shackle bound bound bound basty, he.

1112
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 4: Said, and I gotta placing the.

1113
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 11: Shackle bound bound bound Pa husty, And I got no

1114
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 11: pleasing shackle bound bound bound pahasty.

1115
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh that was so fun. Thanks for listening to the

1116
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: show with Valerie June.

1117
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: Thank you Valerie for pushing away negativity being a dreamer.

1118
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: We need more people like.

1119
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, inspirational. Please check out Valerie's albums and see

1120
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: if she's got any tour dates brewing. Definitely go see

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Speaker 1: her live if you're able.

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Speaker 2: And she also has a children's book out now called

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Speaker 2: Somebody to Love, the story of Valerie June's sweet little

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Speaker 2: baby Banjolelely. It's brought to life with beautiful illustration by

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Speaker 2: our very talented friend Marcella Avalar. It's available now worldwide,

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Speaker 2: so go to your local bookshop and grab yourself a copy.

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Speaker 1: Have a great day, y'all. This show is produced by

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Speaker 1: me and Sarah Oda, recorded by James Landry, mixed by

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Speaker 1: James Landry, lovingly packaged by James Landry. Additional engineering by

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Speaker 1: Greg Tobler, Photography by Shervian Linez, artwork by Eliza Fry,