WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Awards Show 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.680 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:17.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.920 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:25.040 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.920 much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:35.040 Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:41.640 Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, February second, twenty 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.720 twenty two, Season seventeen, episode number one or two. Welcome 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.280 to the latest edition of The Break Life in the 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.840 SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and we got another 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.519 lovely show planned for you guys today, hopefully here in 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.480 a moment. We'll be joined by Dave Helman. He's out 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.240 the Senior Bowl. He'll give us some updates from out 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.440 there and what's going on at the Senior Senior Bowl 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.960 in Mobile, Alabama. Had an opportunity talk to Jerry and Will. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.759 I'm sorry Jerry, Steven Jones and Will McClay, so well 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.679 here what he had to say, what those guys had 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.360 to say, and what Dave's takes on it are. How's 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.560 everybody doing today? Good? We're good? Yeah, I mean here 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.720 on a holiday you know, we're doing some work here. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.360 We don't take grounddogs day off. We do not. We 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.840 do not, not all of us, anyway, some of us do. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.600 Don't get me started. I'm sorry. We're talking about some 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.759 in house bs. Yeah, it's it's all good. It's all good. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.120 We're gonna figure this thing out. Um, let's start with 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.680 where last week I say we're gonna start each show, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.720 uh just kind of get loosening ourselves up. This is 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.560 our warm up into the show. But we're gonna go 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.240 around the table and get some thoughts from you guys 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.960 on the most important or interesting uh sports nugget that 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.720 you've heard in the last week, and then we'll talk 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.320 a little bit about it. Let's start with you. Himber me, Well, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.200 we all know about Tom Brady and his retirement and 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.760 everything and all the years of success that he's had, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.200 and me looking at social media, you know, there's always 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.519 that vast majority of people that also like to criticize 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.800 and talk and just haters. And I saw a lot 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.720 of comments and then just people criticizing Tom Brady. So 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.680 then that led me to do some investigation a little 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.080 bit because I didn't know about certain things people talking 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.720 about the whole. He's like, well, he's a cheater and 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.919 this and that the whole. And then I learned about 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.239 like spygate thing and play gate and all these things 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.239 that happened that you know, by the time I started 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.240 working here and in sports, I didn't know anything about that, 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.320 and I wasn't aware of all that happening. So I'm like, okay, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.920 but I mean then it let me. It took me 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.760 down this rabbit hole where you started, Okay, what about 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.680 Bill Belichick and how real is see? And then what 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.720 is Bill Belichick without it? Tom Brady? Well, we saw that, 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.080 and then I would just when that rabbit hole of 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.560 just kind of learning the history a little bit of 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.799 what happened between you know, Tom Brady, the Patriots, Bill 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:20.400 Belichi's reputations. Phones tell phones, oh, you just centered out 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.480 another rabbit hole. She's got to go figure all that out. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.480 There's something about the flate gate with Tom Brady and like, 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.079 well he texted the ball boy before the game. It's like, Tom, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.920 let me see your phone. He's like, it got smashed. Sorry, sorry, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.200 My job is to hang on to the football and 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.400 don't fumble it. But my cell phone got smashed. Sorry. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.320 It happens. It happens, you know. Oh yeah, when you 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.080 saw tellphone, the thing that popped into my head was 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.440 the whole text us were recently. That's another that's gonna 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.960 be I'm sure one of us probably to say about that. Nick, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.800 what's been the big story for you this week? I 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.680 mean the big story obviously the NFL stuff like that. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.680 I mean I don't shift though, really to NBA or 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.280 anything to later. I mean, college basketball is always interesting 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.040 to me. And you know, I'm sorry. I watched last 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.000 night's game and I just it's funny to me. It's 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.960 just funny because it's like if you have Texas tex 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.640 Texas and Texas Tech and and and the head coach 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.640 of Texas who's now who's at Texas, who was at 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.400 Texas Tech built their program, built their program, and he 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.840 left it better than what it was. Um obviously, but uh, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.960 you know, it's like he went to Texas. If you 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.680 went to school, they went to school there. If you're 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.120 gonna go back to your place, you can go to 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.640 and And I'm sorry, I've been to love It twice 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.760 and I haven't spent the night either time. It's there 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.240 and back. Nobody stays there long, So I don't understand 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.560 what the big problem is. But whatever, you know, they 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.600 they won, They won the game. That's fine. Yeah, that 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.719 they won good. I mean it was the super Bowl 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.120 in love Jesus. But um, you know, but that's kind 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.200 of their fan base. That's what it is. I mean, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.520 you got what else are you going to get excited about? 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:57.920 But I just thought it was kind of petty. But 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.000 at the love of folks, I've done it before. I've 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.040 done it before, and they bring it back and whatever. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.200 But it's just that's that's if you would have one 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.760 fan base to get pissed off like that and just great, Yeah, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.160 that's fine, and they won the game. But I mean, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.640 I think he'll sleep fine. When I saw the coach 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.840 walking out with a stream of police officers around him, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.640 I was like, Wow, isn't that serious, Like coaches have 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.000 left places before. I didn't realize it was that serious. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.840 But hey, I knew going into that game it was 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.400 an uphill battle. They're a good team on top of 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.520 the fact that they just hate our coach. So it 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.080 is what I wanted to talk about your college brestball 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.320 team because my college basketball team. You know, you don't 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:37.800 want to you don't want to mess with a with 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.520 a winning stream. You don't even tell you. I don't 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.360 even talk about it. Don't even talk about it. We 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.080 don't know what that's like. But yeah, seven in a row. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.840 Oh oh yeah, they're good at basketball. We're not true, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.239 not true and good football team. I swept the floor. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.960 I swept the floor this year. We're not gonna teams 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.719 and a rob team and Dave's team. Yeah I beat them. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:07.039 Yeah it was me, all me, Sarah for that. Hey, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.920 as soon as as soon as we make this transition 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.039 to the SEC, there will be trust me, we'll do something. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.640 We'll have some fun. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have some 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.960 fun with that for sure. All right, what do you think, Derek, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.560 what's your sports story? It's the story everybody in the 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.600 NFL is talking about. Is Brian Flores and what's happening 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.200 with him in the NFL. And actually I wanted to 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.200 read this quote from Brian Flores talking about the suit 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.640 against the NFL. He said, God has gifted me with 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.080 a special talent to coach the game of football, but 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.400 the need for change is bigger than my personal goals. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.679 In making the decision file the class action complaint. Today, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.080 I understand that I may be risking coaching the game 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.400 that I love and that has done so much for 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.800 my family and me. My sincere hope is that by 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.039 standing up against systemic racism in the NFL, others will 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.960 join me to ensure that positive change is made for 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.440 generations to come. The reason why I wanted to read 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.280 that is because I just wanted to say. I really 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.279 wanted to just lout Brian Flores, mainly because, and I'll 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.000 tell you like this, this morning, I saw on television 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.000 there were a number of television stations where they were 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.560 talking about fair hiring practices. I was driving into work, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.280 I jumped around a couple different radio stations. Both were 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:21.120 talking about hiring practices. And the interesting thing about this 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.840 topic is this is not just an NFL issue. This 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.920 is an NFL. This is an issue that affects our 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.080 entire workforce in America. This is not just about the NFL. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.480 And so what I the way I look at this 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.320 is regardless of what happens in the court case, all 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.760 the merits of that, they'll figure all that out in court. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.800 What I love about this is Brian Flores has reignited 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.040 the conversation around fair hiring practices and making sure that 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.040 everybody gets fair opportunity, whether that be people of color, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.680 whether that be women, like everybody should have a fair 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.880 shot in this job market, and not just in the 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.480 ability to get jobs, but ability to get hire jobs, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.720 to get leadership type roles and leadership type position And 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.600 so I just want I think there's no better way 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.760 we could have started Black History Month than him doing 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.080 something like this, because this is what Black History Month 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.880 is all about. It's all those pioneers that continue to 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:15.320 relentlessly and even put themselves in their own careers in jeopardy. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.920 They continue to fight the fight to say this is 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.720 not just we need better hiring practices and we're willing 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.360 to put their own careers on the line. And so 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.880 I salute Brian Flores for doing that, and hopefully this 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.920 conversation continues and hopefully we find some better solutions, because 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.720 right now, I don't know what they have in place 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.000 is necessarily working. Well said, I mean, you're right, and 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.040 you know that situation. I talked to you about this yesterday. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.920 It kind of hits close to home and we don't 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.520 have to go through the whole story. But if you know, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.240 just google a bar Rouse. A bar Rouse is somebody 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.080 that I knew when I was in college. He was 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.160 a basketball coach at Young GA at my college at 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.280 Midwestern State, and he ended up going to Baylor and 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.880 he ended up being the whistleblower for what happened with 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.360 Dave Bliss and that whole situation there, and he never 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.320 got a job again, and the coaches said that that 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.360 would never happen, and he did the right thing. Abar Rouse. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:09.920 If you don't know him, you should google him and 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.280 look him up in his story. He's probably I think 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.040 he's like a pe teacher right now when he should 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.240 have been coaching college basketball. But he did the right 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.160 thing and hopefully it doesn't happen like that for you know, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.880 Brian Flores and other people that stand up and do 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.720 what the right thing is. Well, we know of him, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.520 and what we know is Brian Flores is a good coach. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.720 What he did in Miami, I think that's a good 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.240 coach being able to build that program to the point 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.040 where they were. They didn't make the playoffs, but they 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.560 were a very competitive team, extremely competitive team. I don't 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.720 know what your thoughts on this, but I've said this earlier. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:46.520 If Hardball leaves Michigan, if I'm Michigan, I'm signing right 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.120 now because you think about how many parents would say, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.520 I want my son to play for him because he's 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.480 going to do the right thing. He's gonna take care 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.319 of him, he's gonna stand up for people and not 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.400 sound like Michigan's not a great job. Any job that's 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.680 open like that, I think college is the way to 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.959 go because people have the choice to go and play 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.160 for you. Yep, I agree with that. All right. We 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.679 are joined right now by mister Dave Hellman out there 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:15.480 in Mobile, Alabama. Dave, what's up man? I'll tell you 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.920 what's up man? This is he I mean, we love 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.760 our jobs, right, I'm definitely not complaining, but yeah, side, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.400 this is the side of the gig that they don't glamorize. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.240 I am standing in the rain at Hancock Whitney Stadium 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:34.120 and I'm I'm bird bird dogging the Jones's, the Cowboys 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.840 front office, the Jones family. Actually, I mean Steve Stephen 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.760 Jones is here. Obviously we had a chance to speak 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.320 with him yesterday, but just to take you behind the 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.400 scenes of what this job is like, you know, you 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.719 get here, coordinate with the people you need to coordinate with, Like, hey, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.480 we're gonna be able to talk to Steven today. We're 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.600 gonna get Will That would be great. We can, you know, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.160 set ourselves up for a nice week or two of content. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.160 We'll check in with them for the first time since 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.200 the season ended. So you get all that done, go 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.120 back and write your stories, and you're like, wow, that 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.760 was a full and fulfilling and productive day. And now 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.360 I'm kind of done and I can take a deep 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.400 breath and like go to dinner. And then you get 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.800 a text from a reporter friend that's like, Jerry Jones 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.760 is holding court in the bar downtown. I should probably 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.360 be here, and I'm like, oh my god, I didn't 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.200 know Jerry was here too. So j Jerry's here, and 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.880 so I'm I'm bird dog in the front office. We 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.600 also we call it playing defense. I'm basically I'm just 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.200 trying to make sure Jerry Jones isn't giving an interview 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.720 that I'm not part of. Yeah. Yeah, So you know, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:36.960 you get you get to cover a lot of cool events, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.960 you get to meet a lot of people, but every 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.640 now and then you have to stand in the rain 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.360 and spy on people. Yeah. Great, Yeah, it's the hard 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.120 part of the job. It's what you were meant for, Dave, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.800 You're good at it. Um, you know what I'm I'm 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.440 I'm ready for it. I get some kind of sick 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.199 thrill out of this. I have to be honest, all right. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.520 So so going back to your time with Stephen and 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.720 will what will give me? Give me a couple of 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.800 things that we're intriguing that you may have heard from 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.880 them during the interview that you conducted earlier this week. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.040 You know, it's fun, it's interesting. I was talking to 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.560 a reporter friend of mine who's down here about this 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.960 last night. Is like, this is this is a I 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.439 feel like it's a unique year where like they're there's 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.240 less going on with the Cowboys than in a typical 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:26.760 year in my opinion, Like there's just no looming question 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.440 like a you know, a DAK contract extension or like 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.360 a franchise tech stair down, Like we don't have that 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.839 domineering storyline yet. But I actually wrote a story about 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.440 this this morning. I don't know if it's on the 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.000 site yet. Um yet. Okay, that's fine, I mean that's fine. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.600 But because it's going I think it's the gist I'm 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.760 trying to get at is I think we're setting up 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.000 for an interesting couple of months here because the Cowboys 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.280 have some decisions to make that are that are gonna 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.920 shake things up. And that's one thing Stephen touched on 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.839 yesterday when I talk to him, is they're twenty million 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.640 over the cap right now, and they obviously have a 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.720 bunch of like key free agents that they would probably 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.480 like to try to resign. So how do they get 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.679 under the cap? How do they find money for those guys? 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.560 Who do they try to find money for? Obviously you 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.720 can restructure Dack's feel pretty easily, but other than that, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.760 you kind of got to make some interesting decisions when 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.840 you look at like should we restructure a Zeke contract? 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.079 Should we restructure an offensive Lineman's contract? A lot of 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.520 talk about Amari Cooper. So I think my main takeaway 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.040 right now is that it's like it's very quiet in 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.080 Cowboy world right now. And I don't know, for some reason, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.360 I just feel like that feels ominous to me. Yeah, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.959 it does. And I think Nick and I were ill mentioned. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.000 Nick and I were talking off the air about just 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.679 looking at the salary cap and we're gonna get us 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.360 that next week. Next week, a topic of our show 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.440 is going to be around free agency and even talking 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:56.760 a little bit about some of the guys that are 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.480 under contract. But there are some significant contracts savings the 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.760 Cowboys could make if they made some decisions to part 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.599 with some veterans, which is gonna make some for a 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.400 really interesting conversation for the Cowboys to try to figure 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.920 out what's worth it. Do you keep the guy and 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.880 continue to pay him the money or do you let 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.000 him go? And you might have some dead money, but 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.280 the amount of money that you save could be significant 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.080 in being able to give you more cap relief. Yeah, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.880 I mean to be and again, like I haven't heard anything. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.840 This is really just more connecting tea leaves. But again, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.680 a guy like Mri Cooper, a guy like de Marcus Lawrence, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.080 Like you sit there and you look at it, and 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.160 you're like, I'm not saying this is a good idea, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:36.920 but I can see how that winds up being a 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.360 conversation that maybe you move on from those guys. So 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.640 I just think, I don't know, I think we could 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.360 be setting up for an eventful march one way or 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.360 the other, whether the Cowboys restructure their current roster, or 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.080 even if it's kind of boring, like you look at 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.360 the guys on this team that don't have deals right now, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.720 like Randy Gregory, Dalton Schultz, Jeron Curse. I mean, there's 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.240 gonna be some attrition there. So, um, yeah, I think 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.000 it kind of dawned on me while I was talking 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.040 to Stephen yesterday. I was like, Okay, it feels kind 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.920 of boring right now, but I have a feeling it's 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:11.400 gonna be kind of dramatic by February or March. Yeah, Dave, 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.000 you know, we talked about Kellen Moore and he's still 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.320 in them in the process right now of of everything 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.880 he's with, the interviewing with the Dolphins, which I don't 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.800 know the Dolphins man, of other things that they're they're 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.680 worried about right now too. But that's kind of busy. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.000 But um, did you get the sense that Stephen was like, yeah, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.680 I mean Kellen, we we love him to come back, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.600 but if he doesn't, we'll be all right. I mean 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.560 that's what That's what it kind of sounded like when 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.640 he was talking to Yeah. Absolutely, that's that's what it 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.640 sounded like to me, And he actually there was like 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:50.440 a Freudian moment where I asked him about I asked 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.360 him about like the uncertainty with Kellen, and he basically 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.440 was like, well, that's what's so big about Dan coming back, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.760 and then he kind of cut himself off and was like, yeah, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.120 like we really love Kellen, and I'm like, okay. He 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.000 found like you were a lot more worried about one 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.560 of these guys, right and then the other like again 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.640 going behind the scenes, Like I had a I kind 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.640 of kicked myself last night because I asked him about, 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.320 you know, do you work on a contingency plan if 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.800 Kellen leaves? Like how much are you stressed about that? 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.920 And he basically, I mean he said, he was like, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:26.080 we're not worried about that because Mike McCarthy's background is 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.240 all offense and he's got play calling history, And like 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.720 in the moment, it didn't register that much with me. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.520 And then later I was like, I should have asked 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.640 him if he was talking about Mike, and I mean, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.600 that's it seemed like that's what he was hinting at, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.600 but it didn't dawn on me to just ask the 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.400 question directly, So you know, I apologize for that, but 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.440 it don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, Dave, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.200 because like usually that is like ten people there and 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.720 everyone trying to fighting to get a question in when 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.720 you're the one that's asking all of them, Like you, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.080 you're trying to be a one shot ahead of it, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.119 and you're like okay, okay, And sometimes that happens when 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.320 you're you're thinking of your next question and then they're 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.119 like yeah, and then I you know, and then they 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.600 said and then I might retire, and you're like, yeah, exactly, 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.879 I mean, this is hey, Jerry Madelon, he was just joking. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:20.600 He doesn't really mean that, but I can remember. I mean, yeah, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.520 you're right, nick it. Jorry Epstein, our friend from USA Today, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.240 is the only other Cowboy reporter that's year. So her 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.600 and I just went back and forth with Stephen for 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.919 like twenty minutes, and I was like, I think I 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.560 got everything, but I wouldn't mind it if there were 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.040 like two or three other reporters here. He could maybe 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.440 fill in some gaps that I forgot about. Um. But yeah, 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.960 I mean there was definitely an implication like that that's 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.200 where his brain win when he was asked about Kellen 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.760 Moore not being here's like, well, Mike's got a background 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.560 was bad. So it does make me wonder if Kellen 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.800 is to leave. And I mean, Jerry said last week 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.920 he's optimistic Kelln's not going anywhere, um, but if he does, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.760 as I don't know, I just sort of get the 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.200 sense that their contingency plan might just be to handle 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:05.960 it in the house. But you know, that's also the 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.920 part that kind of worries me a little bit about 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.919 that whole thing is, yeah, Mike has had experience, and 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.320 so as the head coach, why didn't he have more 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.399 of an imprint on or did he have an imprint 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.080 and it just didn't work on helping this offense get 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.040 out of the out of the trash can like they were. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.240 They were struggling in the second half of the year, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.040 and Kellen couldn't seem to figure it out. And I 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.080 don't know if Mike was helping and they still couldn't 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.920 get out, or if Mike really wasn't helping enough. Either way, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.439 that seems problematic for a guy that has all that 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:40.080 experience as a play caller. Right. I don't remember if 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.280 I said it on this show, but I spent a 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.119 lot of the second half of the season, expecting for 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.760 a story to break about Mike injecting himself into the 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:55.000 play calling situation or just outright taking over play calling duties. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.960 Like I just I just had this like lingering feeling. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.360 I was like, I'm gonna wake up one of these 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.840 Sunday and more and there's gonna be a schefter report 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.320 about Mike McCarthy taking over play calling duties. But it 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.520 never happened. So yeah, I kind of agree with you, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.000 I think. I mean, given the struggles that we saw 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:16.639 consistently for nine weeks, it seemed like there's more that 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.120 Mike could have done. And I, yeah, I wonder if 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.480 that's just the balancing act of what Kellen's accomplished here 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.959 and how highly the front office thinks of him. I 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.560 don't get the sense that there's any friction there, but 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.080 I did think that was kind of curious. I agree 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.360 with you. All right, Dave, We're gonna let you go. Man. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.359 You keep keep holding down the fourth there. I know 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.879 it's raining. Hopefully you guys can get back before the 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.320 snowmageddon here in Dallas, but if not, we will see 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.160 you in a few days. When you get back and 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.479 we'll be checking out all your work on Dallas Cowboys 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.000 dot com. I appreciate that. Keep your keep your fingers 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.920 crossed that my seven thirty flight doesn't get camp. Please. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:55.639 All right, let's see what we can do and be 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.679 careful when you get into night, and it might already 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.639 be coming down a little bit, so I need you 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.040 guys to be really really careful. All right, we'll do 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.880 thanks man sell at them. We're gonna take our first 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.239 breaking we come back. We got the break Awards. This 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.360 is gonna be our shot at giving accolades to players 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:15.720 that should deserve it and some that maybe shouldn't have 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.439