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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are

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Speaker 1: you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar

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Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, February second, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen, episode number one or two. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the latest edition of The Break Life in the

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Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and we got another

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Speaker 1: lovely show planned for you guys today, hopefully here in

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Speaker 1: a moment. We'll be joined by Dave Helman. He's out

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. He'll give us some updates from out

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Speaker 1: there and what's going on at the Senior Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: in Mobile, Alabama. Had an opportunity talk to Jerry and Will.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry Jerry, Steven Jones and Will McClay, so well

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Speaker 1: here what he had to say, what those guys had

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Speaker 1: to say, and what Dave's takes on it are. How's

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Speaker 1: everybody doing today? Good? We're good? Yeah, I mean here

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Speaker 1: on a holiday you know, we're doing some work here.

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Speaker 1: We don't take grounddogs day off. We do not. We

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Speaker 1: do not, not all of us, anyway, some of us do.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me started. I'm sorry. We're talking about some

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Speaker 1: in house bs. Yeah, it's it's all good. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna figure this thing out. Um, let's start with

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Speaker 1: where last week I say we're gonna start each show,

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Speaker 1: our warm up into the show. But we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: around the table and get some thoughts from you guys

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Speaker 1: on the most important or interesting uh sports nugget that

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Speaker 1: you've heard in the last week, and then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about it. Let's start with you. Himber me, Well,

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Speaker 1: we all know about Tom Brady and his retirement and

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Speaker 1: everything and all the years of success that he's had,

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Speaker 1: and me looking at social media, you know, there's always

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Speaker 1: that vast majority of people that also like to criticize

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Speaker 1: like spygate thing and play gate and all these things

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Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole where you started, Okay, what about

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Speaker 1: Belichi's reputations. Phones tell phones, oh, you just centered out

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Speaker 1: another rabbit hole. She's got to go figure all that out.

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Speaker 1: There's something about the flate gate with Tom Brady and like,

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Speaker 1: well he texted the ball boy before the game. It's like, Tom,

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Speaker 1: Break off SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the two thousand twenty one season Break Awards. We

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Speaker 1: are now going to go through a list of players

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Speaker 1: and moments that we want to highlight, And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start first with what do you guys think is the

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Speaker 1: was the best win twenty twenty one season for the Cowboys. Well,

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Speaker 1: for me, I will say Week two against the Charters,

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Speaker 1: I think that was the best win. I think that's

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Speaker 1: where we saw a lot of things kind of happened.

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Speaker 1: We saw them figure out that what Michael Parsons can

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Speaker 1: really do, and I think that changed the whole defense.

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Speaker 1: I think it was. It was a great win. It

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Speaker 1: was the last second victory. It was a fun atmosphere

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Speaker 1: with Cowboy fans there. Tony Pollard had a great day

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Speaker 1: doing some things. We saw the aggressiveness of the punt.

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Speaker 1: It was funny about the punt block that they almost

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Speaker 1: blocked it and they called a penalty and what's bones doing,

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Speaker 1: He's draw it And then they ended up blocking four

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Speaker 1: punts that year, you know, And so it was just

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Speaker 1: kind of an interesting day. But when you look back

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Speaker 1: and see how things especially with Michael Parsons, and I

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Speaker 1: think it was that was their their best win because

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Speaker 1: you can't go oh into to start the season, and

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Speaker 1: they made sure that they didn't. That's the same one

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Speaker 1: I had. But then another one that I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about was that at the time, And we know the

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Speaker 1: Patriots didn't have good season, but at the time, we

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Speaker 1: were here sitting here, Oh, what are they gonna do

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Speaker 1: against Bill Belichick, this and that? How can they do that?

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they win out there and won

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Speaker 1: that game. I think it was a big win for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the time. And I know Dave we

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Speaker 1: ranked all twelve of our wins and I know Dave's

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Speaker 1: answer to that as the Patriots as well. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: actually that's what I was going to say as well.

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Speaker 1: Just I look at the quality of that team. I

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Speaker 1: know they weren't as good as we expect the Patriots

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Speaker 1: to be the years that they've been at the top

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Speaker 1: of the league, but they were a good team this

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Speaker 1: year and they were doing that with a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: just you know, he wasn't the leader of what they did,

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Speaker 1: but he fit in the system. It reminded me so

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Speaker 1: much of what Tom Brady was his first year as well,

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Speaker 1: Like he'd make a throw it to a game, but

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Speaker 1: really it was relying on the defense, was relying on

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Speaker 1: the running game, and the Cowboys had to cut out

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Speaker 1: that win. They had to figure it out there and

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, how was the last time

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Speaker 1: we saw this Cowboys offense in that form? Like after

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Speaker 1: that game? Yeah, they did it against some poor teams,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't really see that Cowboys team after that game.

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Speaker 1: But that game I thought they played. They played a

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Speaker 1: game where they didn't even play the best football, but

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Speaker 1: they figured out a way to win against a really

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Speaker 1: good team. And that was really the last time we

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Speaker 1: saw them do that this season. So for me, that

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Speaker 1: was the win that that was the best one for

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Speaker 1: the season. Vikings would have been as close to the

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Speaker 1: Vikings going up there and winning in that in that

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Speaker 1: atmosphere without Dak coming back the way they did that

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Speaker 1: was another good one. All right, Let's move on MVP

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Speaker 1: of the team. Who was the most valuable player for

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Speaker 1: this team? Mica? I mean, is there another answer to that?

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Speaker 1: I think not so, Michael Parsons. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: anything else needed to be said or explained for that guy. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you it's um Michael Parsons. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's He's changed the whole defense. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think that that Chargers game was the one, because

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Speaker 1: that's the one we found out. Oh he can rest

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Speaker 1: the past or two, you know, and you know he's

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Speaker 1: he's outstanding and just he just brings so much at too.

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Speaker 1: And I said it to you one point, I thought

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Speaker 1: they could win. I thought they could win it all.

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Speaker 1: I really did. And I thought, if Michael Parsons is healthy, Um,

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Speaker 1: this team has a chance. And they did have a chance.

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Speaker 1: I mean they lost to a team that you know,

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Speaker 1: played better that day. I don't know if they are better,

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Speaker 1: they played better, and um, but but I think Michael

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Speaker 1: Parsons is the reason that the defense was able to

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Speaker 1: play the way they did. When you look at Michael

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Speaker 1: Parsons and um, I mean in his rookie year, he

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Speaker 1: was being touted as a possible defensive player year. Maybe

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Speaker 1: still gets it, I don't know, but possible defensive player

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Speaker 1: of the year across the entire league. Veterans included, Um,

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Speaker 1: when is the last time you remember Dallas having a

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Speaker 1: player that good? I mean when you when you stack

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Speaker 1: him up against other guys around the league, he's right

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Speaker 1: up there at the top and he's that caliber player. Like,

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Speaker 1: when is the last time we had that kind of

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Speaker 1: player on this team? You're like, you're looking at me,

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Speaker 1: like not since I've been I mean you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can make the argument for offensive line like Zach Martin.

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Speaker 1: I guess I want to get difference. Yeah, I want to.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to that guy that that changes games.

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Speaker 1: When was the last time I had that kind of guy?

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Speaker 1: I think the last time they've had that kind of

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Speaker 1: guy is DeMarcus Ware And you can make the case

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Speaker 1: that that what Parsons did is I mean, Parsons had

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Speaker 1: a better rookie year, you know that, and so um

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Speaker 1: and and one of the things about DeMarcus that always

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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, we always talked about was that

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Speaker 1: some of his sacks weren't always at the time where

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Speaker 1: you know that really changed the games to go win

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Speaker 1: the game and stuff like that. Um, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he still had more than any bloody that's ever played

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. So matters, it does, And he was great.

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Speaker 1: He was that kind of player and lived lived at

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl every year, and so I think he's

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Speaker 1: the closest thing. And then that's before you know, anything

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Speaker 1: before that. I not since I was here, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I could say even back in the nineties, I don't

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Speaker 1: think there was a defensive player other than than Dion, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Dion definitely changed it um, but you know, the

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00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: team was kind of going downhill at that point. And

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Speaker 1: that's so special. I think the reason why I ask

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Speaker 1: that questions because that's that is a special thing to

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Speaker 1: have that caliber of player, because if you use them

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Speaker 1: the right way, there's so many other things you can

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Speaker 1: do based off that player and how much attention other

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00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: teams will have to pay pay to that player, and

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Speaker 1: it just requires someone who's creative enough to know how

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Speaker 1: to use them. Yeah. Yeah, for a player like that

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00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: real quick, you know, and since I've been here, you

568
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: start seeing every year how the team looks different and

569
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Speaker 1: this and that, and then you talk about player what's

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Speaker 1: the name for like whear and tear or how do

571
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: you say that? Foray and tear? So for a player

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Speaker 1: like that, I know that was his first year and everything,

573
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Speaker 1: but given as much as he's done and as aggressive

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Speaker 1: on a player of a player that he is and

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Speaker 1: all that for that position and what he's doing, what

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Speaker 1: would be like the player life spam for someone like

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Speaker 1: him where you want to be able to at least

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Speaker 1: get further than the first playoff game within his time

579
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Speaker 1: here that we basically that we don't go through another

580
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Speaker 1: team restructuring the team and then now you lost another

581
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Speaker 1: amazing player. And I know he's super young, but I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't know that there is a standard like

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Speaker 1: you know, because that's the thing about the NFL. It

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Speaker 1: takes one injury to change everything for any player. Right.

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Speaker 1: I would guess right now, the Cowboys probably look at

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Speaker 1: this guy and say, we could have him if he

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Speaker 1: keeps playing like this, we could have him playing here

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Speaker 1: ten twelve years, right, Yeah, maybe more, but ten twelve years.

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Speaker 1: I would think they probably feel pretty good about something

590
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Speaker 1: like that. If he continues to produce and doesn't have

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Speaker 1: any major injuries. Ten twelve years years seems about what

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Speaker 1: I would think. At least that's the way I look

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Speaker 1: at it. He's a ten to twelve year kind of

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Speaker 1: guy that'll be here and be really effective during that time. Yeah,

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00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: that's that's about right. I Mean, it's hard, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to sit predicting it other than that, and you don't

597
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: even like to do that to go that far. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's him. Get him better than what

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Speaker 1: has shown you because I feel like he's I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's shown you so much, so you know, or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but you feel like there's a big chunk of how

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Speaker 1: much more he can do? I do. I believe go ahead, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe it too. And the weird thing about Micah

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Speaker 1: is is that the reason why the Cowboys were able

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Speaker 1: to get him at twelve and that nobody really knew

606
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Speaker 1: he was a pass rusher is because he didn't play

607
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Speaker 1: football the year before at Penn State. The weird thing

608
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Speaker 1: to me is that, knowing a little bit that that

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Speaker 1: we know of Micah, I am shocked to hell that

610
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Speaker 1: he that he didn't play that season because he loves football,

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Speaker 1: yeah so much that it's just surprising that he opted

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Speaker 1: out of that season. Now, part of that, at least

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Speaker 1: what I've understood about that situation was he opted out

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Speaker 1: at the time when or he decided he wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to play, at a time when they were thinking the

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Speaker 1: big twelve, big ten was not going to play, and

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Speaker 1: and at that point I think there may have been

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Speaker 1: some kind of some gray area there of you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing, and then the big TUN's gonna play,

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Speaker 1: and so he decided not to come back. That's what

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Speaker 1: I've heard. I don't know that as a fact, but

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Speaker 1: I've heard some some of that. It wasn't just a

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Speaker 1: simple I'm not gonna play football. My team's playing, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play. I think there was some of

625
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: that involved there. Yeah, But to answer your question, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he I think he can get better because

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00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: I think he's going to keep studying, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I just got it with Sean Lee. I

629
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Speaker 1: wish they could have played like one year together, you know,

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Speaker 1: just one year, just because I think Sean you know,

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Speaker 1: if if a guy that with an athletic ability that

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Speaker 1: like that can get the work ethic and leadership and

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Speaker 1: and hunger for the game like Sean Lee had. But

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Speaker 1: but what I've heard of him is that he's he's

635
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Speaker 1: doing that. So I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't

636
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Speaker 1: or will plan to sit down with Sean Lee at

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Speaker 1: some point talk to him. He did it with DeMarcus Ware,

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Speaker 1: he did it with Tank Like he's he's seeking out

639
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Speaker 1: people he comes here. Yeah, yeah, he's seeking out people. Yeah,

640
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: he's seeking out people to get advice from and to

641
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: learn more about what he's doing. That was that that

642
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: report that we before he was playing the San Diego

643
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: game where he went and sat with DeMarcus Square and

644
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: just started trying to pick his brain playing defensive man,

645
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: what do I need to know? I mean, what are

646
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: things you would tell me? Right? So I think he's

647
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: that kind of player, Like you said, he loves football,

648
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: and so for me, I look at it and say, yeah,

649
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: he was great this year. But he certainly can grow

650
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: because anybody you take your first time you do it,

651
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't care how good you are at it. There's

652
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: so much you learn and if you apply all the

653
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: things you learn, that just tells you that's his floor

654
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: right now. His ceiling can be wherever. Like, we don't

655
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: know how much better this guy can be, but I

656
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: suspect it's going to be better because you can really

657
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: even begin to process what that can look like. After

658
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: seeing what we saw from him this year, I'm just like,

659
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, what else one more can he do?

660
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: He's just amazing. All Right, We're gonna move on. Let's

661
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: get something. I would say, but my next guy on

662
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: most valuable Player, And I don't want to go down

663
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole here, but I would throw Zeke into

664
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: the conversation a little bit really because of the term

665
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: most valuable player when he is playing at his high level.

666
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: This team was way better when he suffered the injury

667
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: and couldn't do the same things that the offense didn't

668
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: do as well. And I think the value of a

669
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: running back, a healthy, top tier running back, is valuable

670
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: for this team, and I don't think they had it

671
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: on the second part of the season. Here's the question

672
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people out there listening right

673
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: now would probably have which is well, is that also

674
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: a reflection of the fact in the second half they

675
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: didn't use Tony Pollard more and if they would have,

676
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: they would have still seen similar type of production. Maybe

677
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: and and so then it becomes a situation of it

678
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: may have not been necessarily Zeke as much as they

679
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: needed to put the best running back in the moment

680
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: in at the beginning season, maybe that was Zeke. Towards

681
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: the second of the half of the year, when Zeke

682
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: was injured, maybe that was Pollard and they should have

683
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: done more with Remember, probably got hurt for a few games. True,

684
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: he did a pretty tough injury. So but for those

685
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: last two games to get six carries in else to

686
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: get like that's that's not I think I think a

687
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: running back that that can play at the top level.

688
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that that's Zeke anymore. I don't know,

689
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: but that they missed that and they need that and

690
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: Dak needs it. Yeah. Absolutely, all right, let's let's jump

691
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: into the offensive player of the year? Whose offensive player

692
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: of Year for this team? I guess, are you saying Zeke? No?

693
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean, like no, because that's he didn't he didn't

694
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: do it the second half of the year. But MVP

695
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: and player of the Year are different, you know, um,

696
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: Player of the year, best player, Offensive player of the year.

697
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with the cop out. I'm just

698
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna go with the cop out. Well, it's the right answer, then,

699
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Zach No, that wasn't gonna be Zach Martin the answer.

700
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: I went with the first team All Pro. I don't

701
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: know what you've got, but I went with the first

702
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: team All Pro. What's your answer? You're probably right if

703
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: he just you know, I was gonna say Dak just

704
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: because again, here's the thing about Dak undefeated when he

705
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: didn't play, And here's the thing about Dak. Dak, he

706
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: had his moments when things weren't going well. And by

707
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: the way, that was this whole offense that just they

708
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: fell off, but even with all of that, they still

709
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: were right up there at the top of the league

710
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: when it came to most of the offensive statistics. And

711
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: I know statistics are still statistic statistics, but they do matter.

712
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: Like they are, they have their place in this whole conversation.

713
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: And so if you're looking at this offense and you're

714
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: trying to identify one player that you think had an

715
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: outstanding you, you're right, it's always probably Zack Martin because

716
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: Zach Martin is just so great at what he does.

717
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: But the problem is, when Dak Martin has a great game,

718
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter through all the other four guys

719
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: on the offensive line don't so his impact on the

720
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: game is kind of minimized a bit just because of

721
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the nature of the position he plays. Dak, on the

722
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: other hand, every ward, every problem is going to be

723
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: magnified because he touches the ball almost every single play.

724
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: I have a small sample size on that, but Dack

725
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: miss the game against Minnesota. They figured it out late

726
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: and they were able to beat an average team, you know,

727
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: on an average team average, which, by the way, this

728
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: year they were beating average teams, and they were being

729
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: average teams is pretty good most of um. Zach missed

730
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: the game against Tampa Bay, and whether it's just that

731
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: or other reasons, they chose not to even run the

732
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: ball at the middle of the field, and I think

733
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: it hurt him when they got down in the red

734
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: zone too. But they played a better game right overall?

735
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: Would you say they played a better game against Tampa

736
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: or a a better game against Minnesota? Minnesota? Because they won,

737
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: they won, you know where I'm going. Come on, let's

738
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: be honest. But they won. And the thing is that

739
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: they were handicapped in the middle of the field and

740
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: because and I think that was also because of the

741
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: matchup though, right well, like you're playing with Connor Williams

742
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: and Connor McGovern, I mean with Zach Martin, I'm not

743
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: afraid of anybody. Yeah, no, that's my point. I guess

744
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: we're making the same point. Vita Va was not playing

745
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Vikings, right the TI I'm going with Zach.

746
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: He went with Dak. I knew you're not gonna pick no. No,

747
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean the initial when when you mentioned this, yeah,

748
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, the initial was Sach Martin. And I kept

749
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: going back, I'm like, okay, who else? Who else? But

750
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: there's really like nobody else that I would feel like

751
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: picking because he's he and you can say, okay, the

752
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: position minimist or whatever. But at the same time, out

753
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: of the whole offense, he's the only player that was

754
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: the most consistent throughout the whole year without I mean,

755
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: he had his moments, he had his moments, but overall

756
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: his mistakes were very, very minimal. And you cannot say

757
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: that about any other player on the roster. Yeah, that's true,

758
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: that's true. Tell you Zach Martin. Sorry, all right, let's

759
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: fly through this next one here. All right, Well, defensive

760
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: player to you, and I'm gonna change it, defensive player.

761
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: You cannot be the same as your MVP. But it

762
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: was Mike, you said, Micah, that was a VP. No,

763
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: what was the Micah? You said MVP? You said Michael,

764
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: You said who else? Could it be? An offensive Player

765
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: of the Year? Yeah, so you said Micah too? Yeah? Yeah, both,

766
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: y'all say Mica for defensive Player of the Year. I

767
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: mean for MVP. I'm sorry, and an offensive I think

768
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: we all agree with that. Now, defensive player of the year.

769
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: If if you can't be, if you can't be your MVP,

770
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: So who is your defensive player of the year. Digs.

771
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: He broke records, he was, he was outstanding. I don't

772
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: care what those other websites say. He took the ball away,

773
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: he was, He was a weapon because he neutralized or

774
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: took away the other team's Well, do you think that

775
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: was also part of the problem for this team in

776
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: the second half of the year, where those started to

777
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: slow a bit. They weren't getting the same number of

778
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: turnovers they got earlier. Yeah, as much as we give

779
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: the offense a lot of you know, the offense obviously

780
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: wasn't playing at its best, but the defense also wasn't

781
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: turning it over as much in the second half as

782
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: they were in the first half. Right, Yeah, they got

783
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: one in the playoffs. I mean Anthony Brown got a pick.

784
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean they got one, and if they would have

785
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: had two, which they almost did with that weird play

786
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: with Kittle, it might have won the game. So, I mean,

787
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they one turnovers is not enough, you know,

788
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: especially the offensive struggling. But I think Diggs was the

789
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: was the best player of the micah. Yeah, but other

790
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: than Diggs, another guy would be Randy Gregory. And I

791
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: think that, I mean, I absolutely don't believe that the

792
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: defense would have been as successful and not even Diggs

793
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: or Micah with now Randy Gregory in the mix, and

794
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: especially during the time that the Marcus Lawrence was out,

795
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was all Randy. I feel like, so, yes,

796
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons can pressure and all that, but at the

797
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: same time, he needs other players around him that can

798
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: help him. And I think that Randy Gregory also had

799
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: his fair share of mistakes and little anger rageous here

800
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: and there, but overall, I think he was a great

801
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: player and he contributed a lot more than what you

802
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: think he did. All Right, we're gonna go and take

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Speaker 1: and hang out. And if I can do that, then

850
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I'll try to get a suite and we will invite

851
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: everybody from our group except for Amber. All right, well,

852
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: if you can't do that, if you're not boozing, if

853
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: you're not boost, you have to get a suite, go

854
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: to seat geek, get your ticket that you got. What uh,

855
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny, Oh you already switched by. It's okay. I

856
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: can meet both of them and interview them whatever. We're

857
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: trying to work that out. I want to get you

858
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: connected with Bad Bunny so you can get that interview,

859
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: like that's that's your interview, like you know, all media

860
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: people got that interview they really want. I think, yes,

861
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how it would react. It wasn't Bad

862
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Bunny in a royal Road. He was. Yeah, he's wrestling.

863
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: He's been very involved in WrestleMania. So he yeah, so

864
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get that interview, so you'll talk to him

865
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: and the rest of everybody else to talk to Roman Reigns. Yeah,

866
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: and Bad Bunny's doing a concert, right and remember all right,

867
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: so yeah, what's gonna happen. He's gonna like run out

868
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have a match or something's gonna happen

869
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania, and it's gonna be real exciting and all that,

870
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and then in between the matches, it just gonna say

871
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: up at the big board, bad Bunny comes to town

872
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: September nine, Get your jackets out. Yeah, we'll come out

873
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: bad Bunny babe. That's his thing. I don't know what

874
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: I didn't hit. Huh, that's what he does. Okay, Okay,

875
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: I feel old, But okay, I got to I need

876
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: to update you. You do you need to get me?

877
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: Get me right? All right, let's jump back into this.

878
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: We're doing the break Awards. We've already talked about the

879
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: best Win, the MVP, the Offensive Player of the Year,

880
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: the defensive player. Your next question or the next category

881
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: is Newcomer of the Year. That is a non rookie

882
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: Newcomer of the Year. That'd be a free agent. Uh,

883
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: can't be a draft pick. M m n. Okay, Daryn

884
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: cursores safe. I mean yeah, and he's a lot bigger

885
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: because and Dave's not here too jump on this. But

886
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, we've been complaining about safety forever and you know,

887
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: Dave and I have been very upset about it for years,

888
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and they didn't draft the safe. Wait, trying to think

889
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: who were the draft class? Yeah, nobody. Yeah, So the

890
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: fact that they were able to do it with a

891
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: free agent guy that wasn't anyone with a big name

892
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: that they had. They didn't have to break the bank

893
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: or anything. It was one of the guys that initially

894
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: is like, here we go again. Okay, let's hope he

895
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: can hold up or whatever, do enough. And he came

896
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: in here and maybe it was because of dan Quinn

897
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: and his magic to develop players and all that, but

898
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he was as effective as he was.

899
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: And the thing is he was one of those quiet guys.

900
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: You know that he watched the game and he's not

901
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: really someone that stands out and you're putting out a

902
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: graphic like Jaron Carr as well. No, he's like silently

903
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: done his job and really really well. So he definitely

904
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: impressed me. Yeah, led the team in tackles. I mean,

905
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to say somebody else, you know, like maybe

906
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: the punter. I thought Brian Anger was outstanding. But to

907
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: come in like like you know, in a position of

908
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: need and then to do it in a way of

909
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: this was kind of unique. They put him in different

910
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: spots and he learned it, and you know, he came

911
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: in here with trusting dan Quinn, Dan Quinn trusted him,

912
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: and whether or not Curses here next year, I think

913
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: that that that type of player is going to maybe

914
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: help a little bit in free agency when when they

915
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: signed some guys that you haven't heard of and you're like, wow,

916
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't know who much about them, But I didn't

917
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: know much about Curse either, and you know, so I

918
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: think jay Ron's the answer. Let me ask you this.

919
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: I know there was a lot made about the other

920
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: safeties as well. You had Hooker and you had um

921
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: jay Ron. Kay. I mean, I'm sorry, Casey, looking at

922
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: those two guys, what were your thoughts on how they played? Obviously,

923
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: jay Ron Curse is the one I think that really

924
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: really popped, But the other two I thought contributed different

925
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: good things at moments throughout the season. What are your

926
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: thoughts with those two safeties? Both pretty good? I think

927
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: I think that when you come back from an achilles injury,

928
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: and Barry Church will be the you know, a guy

929
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: that can tell tell you that too, is that you're

930
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: coming back and you're you're getting yourself back going again,

931
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: and you're doing most of the things you can do.

932
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: But I think the second year they'll be even better.

933
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: And I think the ceiling is higher for Mali Cooker

934
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: than Casey. But you know, I don't know if you

935
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: signed both of them, but I think either one that

936
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: you signed would probably be pretty good. I'd like to

937
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: keep Curse. I just don't see it though. Yeah, for

938
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: the two other guys, and I might be completely wrong

939
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: about this, but I just have a feeling that had

940
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: the defense everybody else on defense not being as good,

941
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: those two players would have struggled a lot more and

942
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: it would have shown to the point where we would

943
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: be criticizing them a lot more and talking about the

944
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: safety position as opposed to Curse. That to me, he's

945
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: a player that what I saw from him, he can

946
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: stand on his own and he can kind of do

947
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: his thing. He's not gonna be going to the Pro

948
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: Bowl type of player, but he's gonna do enough for

949
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: you that I would feel like, oh yeah, I definitely

950
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: want him back because you need those players. That is

951
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: not a superstar. But for those two other guys, they

952
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: did good. They did a good enough job, but had

953
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: the defense not been as good, I just don't don't

954
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: know if they would have been okay. For the cos

955
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: you mentioned Barry Church, I think he is a good

956
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: comparable player when you talk about what Jay Run curses like,

957
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: Like you said, he's not a guy that necessarily going

958
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: to be at the top of the league. Everybody's gonna

959
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: be talking about him. He's going to Pro Bowls every year.

960
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: But he certainly gather you ask the people in the building,

961
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: They're like, that's a guy we really want and really

962
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: neat like he adds something to this defense. He has

963
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: a good role for this defense. And I'm hopeful Nick

964
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: that they will figure out a way to be able

965
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: to keep him. I don't know what that looks like.

966
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: I hope Dan Quinn can help help in that because

967
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: he's had a career before this name wasn't nearly as

968
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: good as what it was with Quinn, And so I

969
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: think sometimes players are willing to say, hey, I think

970
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: I can do more with this guy if you can

971
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: get him a fair offer. It might not be the

972
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: best offer, but if it's a fair offer, I think

973
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: sometimes guys are willing to do that, and we'll see

974
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: where it all pans out. All right, let's go on

975
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: toys like signing their own people. So yeah, they do, Yeah,

976
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: they do at least, And I actually like that, you know,

977
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: what you got. I'd rather take a guy, especially a

978
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: guy that I think is pretty good. I'd rather keep

979
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: him than go back to the well. And you don't

980
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: really know how a guy's gonna fit, You don't really

981
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: know what his personalities like, all those other things that

982
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: you know about the guy that's already and you're building.

983
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's go to unsung hero. Who would

984
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: be the unsung hero for this team. I struggle with that. Yeah, yeah,

985
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: you want to give you mine? Yeah yeah, tarn still

986
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: was mine. I think he's a guy that that came

987
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: in and going into the season. I'll speak for myself.

988
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was a very good player and

989
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: was forced back into action after having to play so

990
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: much last year and played I thought much better than

991
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: he played last year. It doesn't mean he was perfect.

992
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: That means he played much better. And he was the

993
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: most interesting part. When Lyole Collins came back and became

994
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: the right tackle again. I didn't really see a difference.

995
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: Like for me, Terrence Steele, for the amount of money

996
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: he's making, was every bit as good as Lyle Collins.

997
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: And maybe there were things that coaches saw that that

998
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: would dispute that, but from what I saw, they looked

999
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: like comparable players. To me, that means Terrence Steele in

1000
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: his second year, he's getting better and and so that's

1001
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: a guy for me, that's an unsung hero that everybody

1002
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: doesn't give as much credit as I think they should.

1003
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I had him as my biggest surprise because he definitely

1004
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: surprised me. Yeah, yeah, that's we might not get to it,

1005
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's on there. Yeah, But to me, he

1006
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: was the biggest surprise just because we critics signed him

1007
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: so much last and rightfully, so, yeah, he didn't play

1008
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: well last year, yes, and I was one of the words.

1009
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, who is this guy? And they

1010
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: need to get him out of there or whatever, And yeah,

1011
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: this year he came in and the fact that they

1012
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: did not struggle on that side or it was to

1013
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: the point where we weren't commenting on it. And as

1014
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: soon as they made the change and moved Lyle Collins

1015
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: back into the mix and all that you saw that

1016
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: was kind of the downfall for the whole offensive line

1017
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: and when things kind of started changing a whole lot.

1018
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: For for the struggles that they have had last year,

1019
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 1: but for onsong re hero, I keep going. I can't

1020
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: think of a guy that was like all throughout the year,

1021
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: like fully done something like. There are guys here and

1022
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: there like I want to think of, okay, a player

1023
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: like Dalton Scholtz. But then at the same time, there

1024
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: are areas that he very much lacked in and he

1025
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: wasn't always great. So I do you have your on

1026
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: some here probably you know, I was thinking Chults. I

1027
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: was thinking Anger. That's where Anger would probably would go

1028
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: in there for me. Um Dooran's Armstrong is another one too. Yeah,

1029
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: but you know I wanted Anger as the as the

1030
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: best free agent, but I thought it was a curse.

1031
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I'll give you guys. Another one I think is Cedric Wilson.

1032
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: Because Cedric Wilson showed up and had some games for

1033
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: you that you really needed him to have. That doesn't

1034
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: mean he's perfect. Like again, he is not a number

1035
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: one receiver, maybe not even a number two receiver, but

1036
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: there were moments when he had to step in and

1037
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: play the number three receiver role and he did a

1038
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: pretty good job with it and sometimes ended up being

1039
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: the receiver that made most of the players in the

1040
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: game that you needed. And so again I just think

1041
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: based upon what he was and the role they were

1042
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: asking him to play. I thought he was. He was

1043
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: here roic for this team at times of season, so

1044
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: I would put him in that category as well. Yes,

1045
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: all right, um biggest disappointment. What was the biggest disappointment

1046
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: of this season outside of the fact that they got

1047
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and lost in the first round. My

1048
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: answer this yesterday on a story we put on there.

1049
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I get it that he's in the

1050
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, but um, I was disappointed in the way

1051
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: that CD. I thought CD was going to take even

1052
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: a bigger jump um than he did. His numbers were

1053
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: pretty good, but after training camp, I thought, man, he

1054
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: was about to just take off. I mean, he was

1055
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: making a highlight catch every single day and I don't

1056
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: think he made hardly anything like that in during the season.

1057
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like he was going to against someone bad.

1058
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: He's going up against Trayvon Diggs, you know. But um,

1059
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Speaker 1: I just thought he was going to take off to

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00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: a level that that it was about ready to take

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00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: over the league. Um. He had a good year and

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Speaker 1: good enough to make it as a Pro Bowl alternate,

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00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: but I was disappointed, especially at the end of the year.

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00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: One catch and all that, I think and maybe disappointed

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00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: not just with him but how they used him. Yep,

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Speaker 1: I would say the Running Game. I would say Ezekiel

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00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: Elliott in the combination with Tony Pollard, because you know

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00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: what you got with Dak you know what or you

1069
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: think you know what kind of player he is at

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Speaker 1: this point of his career. And then the old line,

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00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: you know what you got there too, when the struggles

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00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: at you know, oh here Tyrn Smith out again, and

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: now you gotta plug in another guy, so you kind

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00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: of know the deal with that area. But then the

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Speaker 1: Running Game, and I know they struggle even in past

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00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: years and all that, but I expected a lot more.

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00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: And I know Zeke was dealing with an injury injury,

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00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: and I mean, I salute him for always being there

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00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: and going at it, but at the same time, I

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00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: just I really expected a lot more from the Running

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00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: Game and the Cowboys trying to utilize even Tony Pollard

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: throwing him into the mix at times that maybe Zeke

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00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: needed a little bit more rest, even if you had

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00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: him playing a whole game. All that, But anyways, Running

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00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Game that was the biggest mine actually goes along with

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00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: your Zamber. But I'm going to say the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem with the running game was

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00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I think those running backs were capable enough.

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00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I think that what we saw a lot this year

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00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: is before as soon as they were getting the ball,

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00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: before they could even get to the line of screamers,

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00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: they were getting hit. There weren't holes being made. Dak

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00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: was running for his life quite a bit this year,

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00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: especially in the second half of the season, and it's

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00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: really disappointing because for a long time here in Dallas

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00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: we have had the luxury of not really worrying about

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: this offensive line other than injuries. When you're healthy, you're like, oh,

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00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be fine once they're healthy. This year, by

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00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: the time you got to the point where you had

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00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: Zach Batt, I'm sorry you had a tiring back. Lyell

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00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: was in there, you had Zack Martin in there, I

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00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: don't care what else you had at Garden Center. Typically,

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Speaker 1: when you got your line up in there, when you

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Speaker 1: got your starters. In Dallas, we've been used to for

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: the last I don't know how many years we've been

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00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: used to, once you get your guys, you should be okay.

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Speaker 1: And that was not the case in that playoff game,

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00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: they got beat up on the offensive line got beat

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00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: up in that game. And that's when I was kind

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00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: of I came to the realization that I really think,

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00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: for me, the biggest challenge they have this offseason and

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Speaker 1: figuring out how they can remake this offensive line, because

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00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: without the offensive line playing got a good clip, like

1114
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: playing really well, everything else will fall apart. And and

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00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: so I think that's their biggest problem. So for me,

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Speaker 1: that was the biggest disappointment for this year. All right,

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Speaker 1: before we end the show, let's quickly get to the

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Speaker 1: last question. What was the biggest surprise of the season

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00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: for me? Diggs? I mean, I thought he was going

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Speaker 1: to be a good player. I didn't think he was

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00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: gonna be like that anythink I was. I was surprised

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00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: about the way he was able to play just at

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Speaker 1: at an elite level like that, and to be to

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00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: be a ball hawk and take the ball away at

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Speaker 1: that clip, and it was amazing to me. It was

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn. And I'm not trying to be a pessimist

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Speaker 1: or anything. I remember our conversation about this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: after my years of working here, I'm more I've gotten

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Speaker 1: to become more of like, I'll believe it when I

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Speaker 1: see a type of person, and when he comes to yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But the fact that dan Quinn came in

1132
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: here and I had read about his resume and I

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00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: heard everybody talking about him and how great he is

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00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: with players and everything. So to me, that was the

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: biggest surprise in the fact that he made he did

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00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: he did what it was said he could do, and

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Speaker 1: he did it well. Yeah, for me, it was jay

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Speaker 1: Ron Curse. We talked about him earlier, but I think

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Speaker 1: last year. I remember at OTA's they were talking about

1140
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: he was getting a lot of looks and I was like,

1141
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: why is it just everybody's hurt? Like what, why is

1142
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: he out there? And because I was like I never

1143
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: really heard of this guy. And then we went to

1144
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: training camp and he was still getting a lot of opportunities,

1145
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, Okay, they must think a lot of

1146
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: this guy. And it wasn't until we got to the

1147
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: regular season and started singing play that you started seeing

1148
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: the vision of what dan Quinn had for him and

1149
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: how well he fit that role. And I think that

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: to me was a huge surprise. I just that came

1151
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: out of nowhere from me. I had no idea at

1152
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year that he would be, in

1153
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: my opinion, one of the top three four defensive players

1154
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: on this team for the season, and that's what he was,

1155
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: I think, so I think that was the biggest surprise

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Speaker 1: for me. All Right, appreciate you guys join us. We're

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: gonna be back next Wednesday. We'll talk a little about

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Speaker 1: a free agency. Were gonna talk about free agency some

1159
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: of the guys that were up. We're gonna talk about

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00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: some contracts out there at the Cowboys probably we'll be

1161
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: looking at decide whether they want to change those contracts

1162
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: or whether they want to maybe get rid of those players.

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Speaker 1: To talk about that stuff next week. Till then for

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Speaker 1: Nick even Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Hilton. This has been

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Speaker 1: The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This

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