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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you,

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Speaker 2: and Senator let's just start with congratulations.

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Speaker 1: It's official.

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Speaker 2: Your new book is out, Unwoke How to Defeat Cultural

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Speaker 2: Marxism in America. And I have to say if when

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Speaker 2: you get the book, if you haven't gotten the book,

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Speaker 2: the best, the best page, just skip right ahead to

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Speaker 2: page number forty.

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Speaker 1: It's the best page of the book. So congrats on that.

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Speaker 2: Most importantly, Senator, Page forty phenomenal. You should definitely just

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Speaker 2: go right there, read that and then start the very beginning.

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Speaker 3: Ben, what the hell is on page forty? I don't

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Speaker 3: know what's on page forty.

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Speaker 2: Page forty it says, and I will quote here, every

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Speaker 2: podcast is one alongside my cost today that's Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 2: the nationally syndicated radios has become a very dear friend.

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Speaker 1: I got a shout out. I thank you, sir. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that now.

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Speaker 3: So I actually think maybe the best page of the

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Speaker 3: book is the very first page of the book. Of

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Speaker 3: your copy, because I gave you a copy, I gave

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Speaker 3: you a signed copy. You did, and if you recall

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Speaker 3: the inscription that I wrote on the front, I said, Ben,

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Speaker 3: you are one of the three best hosts in history

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Speaker 3: of the Verdict podcast.

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Speaker 1: Don't leave out the word undoubtedly. You use that word undoubtedly,

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Speaker 1: there we go. I want to make sure I get

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Speaker 1: that in the history books.

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Speaker 3: Now. Never mind that there have only been three hosts

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Speaker 3: a Verdict and that would be you and me and

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Speaker 3: Michael Knowles. But you are undoubtedly one of the three best.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that's and that's on the shelf right now.

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Speaker 3: And the second sentence I actually liked even better than

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Speaker 3: the first. And I said, of all of the men

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Speaker 3: to play college tennis, you're one of them.

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Speaker 1: There we go, you were one of them. So this

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Speaker 1: is the best part when you sign this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to travel with it, and you and

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Speaker 2: I've been on the road, and we were on the

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Speaker 2: road last week, and I didn't want to travel with

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Speaker 2: the book because I was like, all right, this is

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Speaker 2: what I want to I genuinely say forever. So I

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Speaker 2: got home for the trip and I didn't want to,

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Speaker 2: you know, knock the book around. So I was reading

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Speaker 2: all day yesterday and all day today to get to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we can have a stellar interview on

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Speaker 2: your own show about your book. So let's start with

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Speaker 2: the title. Why did you pick the title Unwoke? And

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Speaker 2: also for people that don't understand what the definition of

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Speaker 2: cultural Marxism is, what is that mean?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 3: I wrote this book because the world has gone insane,

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Speaker 3: and my reaction is the same as as millions of people,

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Speaker 3: as the listeners of this podcast, that our reaction is

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Speaker 3: what the hell happened? How did things get so crazy

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Speaker 3: so fast? This book is my best effort to explain it,

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Speaker 3: and in particular, it's explaining how the radical left has

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Speaker 3: seized every major institution in America. And so the book

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Speaker 3: starts Chapter one is the universities, and I call the

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Speaker 3: universe cities the Wuhan lab of the woke virus. The

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Speaker 3: universities are where the virus was created, It's where it mutated,

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Speaker 3: and it's where it spread. Each chapter the book focuses

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Speaker 3: Chapter two focuses on K through twelve education and all

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Speaker 3: the radical garbage being put in our kids, whether it's

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Speaker 3: critical race theory or radical transgenderism. Chapter three focuses on

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Speaker 3: journalism and how journalism has changed from covering the news

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Speaker 3: to propaganda. From there, I go to big business and

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Speaker 3: how big business today the Fortune one hundred are the

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Speaker 3: economic enforcers of the radical left. From there, I go

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Speaker 3: to big tech and how big tech is pervasively censoring speech.

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Speaker 3: From there, I go to entertainment and by the way,

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Speaker 3: if if I could have just one back, I would

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Speaker 3: have entertainment back. Enterpertainment and I think is the most

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Speaker 3: consequential of all of these. And in entertainment we talk

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Speaker 3: links them all. And the book was really designed to

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Speaker 3: the radical left took over every one of those institutions,

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Speaker 3: and they did it from the inside. But secondly, to

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Speaker 3: how we fight back. I believe we will take this

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Speaker 3: country back. And this book is laying out how we

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Speaker 2: You know, in this book and I encourage people to

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Speaker 2: get it because there is just an incredible history in

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Speaker 2: the very beginning as well about your family. I know

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Speaker 2: your father and have gotten to spend some time with him.

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Speaker 2: He's an awesome just individually around he's jovial, he can

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Speaker 1: He loves this country.

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Speaker 2: But there is some incredible history not only about your family,

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Speaker 2: but also how your father was involved in Cuba in

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Speaker 2: the students and at a young age, and what was

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Speaker 2: happening really with the revolution down there, and how he

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Speaker 2: revolution with Castro, not realizing what Castro was doing, and

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Speaker 2: it started at a young age where they were targeting children,

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Speaker 2: and it was an incredible part of the story, not

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Speaker 2: just because of what happened, but also how he was

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Speaker 2: beaten and how his life was threatened, and how he

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Speaker 2: was a marked man who had to get out and

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Speaker 2: come to America. Talk a little bit about that story

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Speaker 2: of that being your history of your family, and also

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Speaker 2: it's a warning to what's happening in this country right now. Now,

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Speaker 2: It's the beginning of the book and it's just an

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Speaker 2: It takes your breath away when you realize how close

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Speaker 3: Well, my family story is a huge part of why

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Speaker 3: this matters so much to me. It's personal and it's real,

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Speaker 3: the first page of the book. His white linen suit

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Speaker 3: immortally chronicled in The Godfather Saga. Batista was in bed

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Speaker 3: As my father told me, the revolution, like he was,

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Speaker 3: Fidel Castro's right hand chay Gavara described children as malleable

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Speaker 2: You know, when I was reading this book, Senator, I

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Speaker 3: there be another side of the story? Is there anything

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Speaker 3: admirable about him? And she was not really able to

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Speaker 3: see much that was admirble. I said, well, what do

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Speaker 3: and discover I mean, I mean, is that spirit, that

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Speaker 3: intrepid spirit, is that anything to be admired? And and And

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Speaker 3: I said, secondly, look, it is true that Columbus and

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Speaker 3: that they carried some some germs that that that were

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Speaker 3: that were new to to the to the western hemisphere,

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Speaker 3: and that when they got here some of the some

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Speaker 3: of the Native Americans died from those germs. Now, it's

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Speaker 3: carrying it. And and when you accuse him of mass murder,

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Speaker 3: doing it? Is that at all relevant if you're going

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Speaker 3: have one group of people who are conquering another group

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Speaker 3: we were the United States, the Native Americans, one tribe

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Speaker 3: you look at Asia. That's the history of humanity, one

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Speaker 3: group of people conquering another. And anytime you have conquest,

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Speaker 3: there are horrible things that happen. They're terrible things that

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Speaker 3: are done. But I said, look in any war, there

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Speaker 3: were atrocities on both sides. And you know, I asked,

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Speaker 3: I asked my daughter. I said, you know, from whence

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Speaker 3: do you think the verb to scalp was derived? The

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Speaker 3: came here also, And the connection that I made for her,

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Speaker 3: discussions are interlinked and intertwined, which is for all of

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Speaker 3: the people advocating that Columbus was evil and advocating that

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving is evil because the pilgrims were stealing from the

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Speaker 3: Native Americans. It comes down to one antecedent question. Was

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Speaker 3: the settlement of the New World a good thing or

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Speaker 3: of America good or bad? And I'm not neutral or

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Speaker 3: ambivalent on that question. I think the United States of

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Speaker 3: America has been the greatest force for good of any

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Speaker 3: nation in the history of the world. That we had

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Speaker 3: produced more prosperity, more abundance. We have liberated more prisoners

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Speaker 3: and captives. We have shed our blood and treasure and

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Speaker 3: tears fighting tyranny more than any nation in the history

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Speaker 3: of the world. Do we have our flaws, yes, of course.

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Speaker 3: Do we have our problems, yes, of course. But America,

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Speaker 3: I believe, like Reagan said, is a shining city on

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Speaker 3: You guys are incredible, you guys are patriots. You guys

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Speaker 3: I wrote this book for the same reason Ben, that

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Speaker 3: you and I do this podcast. It is right now

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Speaker 3: eleven o three pm on Tuesday night. Podcast will come

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Speaker 3: want our incredible listeners to be armed with information and

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Speaker 3: know how to fight to save this country. And this

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Speaker 3: book is exactly in the same spirit. The book is

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Speaker 3: I think interesting and fun. It's not some abstract academic treatise,

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I encourage you. Look, if I

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Speaker 3: Because the reason that I spend the time to write

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Speaker 3: these books, the reason that you and I do this

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Speaker 3: podcas cast, is we either persuade and win hearts and minds,

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Speaker 3: or we lose America. That's what the stakes are, and

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Speaker 3: that's what this book is about. It's the exact same

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Speaker 3: thing the podcast is about.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that what We're up against in one of

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Speaker 2: your chapters is about the newsroom revolution, and you start

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Speaker 2: with a great story of a former colleague of mine

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Speaker 2: that is hard to deal with, Jake Tapper in a

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Speaker 2: fight is he's in essence, calling you a liar.

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Speaker 1: And this is the new thing that the media has done.

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Speaker 2: They've become so sanctimonious that they are always looking for

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Speaker 2: a moment to tell you why you're wrong and why

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Speaker 2: they're brilliant. We've seen this in the last several days

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Speaker 2: as they've been demanding a ceasefire to protect the terrorists

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Speaker 2: in Gaza, who the Israelis are trying to eradicate from

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Speaker 2: the face of this earth with good reason after what

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Speaker 2: they did just one month ago.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this on Verdict Israel. We knew

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Speaker 1: was on a on an.

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Speaker 2: Artificial clock the day the terrorist attack happened, before the media,

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Speaker 2: before the left started going to the aid of Hamas

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Speaker 2: and the Palestinian people that were backing Hamos, many them

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Speaker 2: that were and saying, okay, all right, you had a

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Speaker 2: few days now to go after these terrorists. Now you've

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Speaker 2: got to stop it now. Now it's your your, your

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Speaker 2: obligation to stop trying to protect yourself. And this is

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Speaker 2: our media now. And it goes back to this this

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Speaker 2: idea that they have, which is they're better than everyone else.

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Speaker 1: They're not here to report news anymore.

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Speaker 2: They're here to go after people like you and others

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Speaker 2: that they don't like and indoctrinate a nation to believe

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Speaker 2: in socialism and communism and Marxism.

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Speaker 3: Look that that is exactly right, and and the media

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Speaker 3: has fundamentally changed. And so the chapter on journalism, I

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Speaker 3: as really a case lesson eleven years ago CNN they

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Speaker 3: aspired to be journalists. If you ask them, they'd say,

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Speaker 3: we want to be journalists. We want to present both sides.

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Speaker 3: We want to be fair and objective and balanced, and

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Speaker 3: we want to focus on facts and not our opinion. Now,

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Speaker 3: they were terrible at it. They leaned hard left and

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Speaker 3: they couldn't help themselves. But that was the objective. Number one,

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Speaker 3: they would articulate to you they were trying to achieve.

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Speaker 3: But number two, I think they believed in their heart

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Speaker 3: every week. I went on there over and over and

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Speaker 3: other side. And what happened is when Donald Trump became president,

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Speaker 3: I think it fundamentally broke the media. Their brains shattered.

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Speaker 3: They hated him so much that today the media no

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Speaker 3: vision that they are advocates, they are defenders of democracy

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Speaker 3: and what they mean by democracy is left wing, radical policies.

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Speaker 3: And you know. So the story I tell in the

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Speaker 3: I've known Jake for over twenty years. I've known Jake

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Speaker 3: Bush two thousand campaign and I was a baby staffer

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Speaker 3: And he was interviewing me for his Sunday show and

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Speaker 3: we did an interview and it was I don't remember,

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Speaker 3: the reason I learned that is I had done just

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Speaker 3: and he'd done the interview, and then afterwards his show

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Speaker 3: And I said, okay, never again. If we do one

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Speaker 3: I said, look, if you want to give you five

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Speaker 3: yelling at Luha, and I mentioned that the Obama administration

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Speaker 3: who was the Islamist cleric, the radical that he'd asked

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Speaker 3: fellow soldiers. And yet the Obama administration did nothing until

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Speaker 3: that's not true. No, that's not right, and he said,

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Speaker 3: what you're saying is fundamentally false. That's a lie, it's

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Speaker 3: not true. And you know, I just kind of smiled

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Speaker 3: And you know, when you research the issue, that's exactly

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Speaker 3: what you're going to find out. So we do the interview,

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Speaker 3: Jake and he's very sheepish and he said, hey, can

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Speaker 3: to come in and talk for a second. I said, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: internet and I researched it, and actually, you were right,

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Speaker 3: he said, I didn't know that I had missed. I

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Speaker 3: just had not seen the revelation that the Obama administration

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Speaker 3: knew it. It just I couldn't believe it, but turns

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Speaker 3: out you were right. I was wrong, And Jake said, listen,

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a choice. We can do it one

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Speaker 3: of two ways, he said. I agreed we would do

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Speaker 3: this live to tape, and so if you want, I

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Speaker 3: will air it exactly as it happened, and then after

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Speaker 3: I air it, I will come on live and I'll

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Speaker 3: say after the interview, I researched it, and it turns

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Speaker 3: out I was wrong, and Cruz was right. What he

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Speaker 3: said was exactly right, and I was in error when

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Speaker 3: I said he was not telling the truth. He said,

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Speaker 3: that's option number one. He said. Option number two, which

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Speaker 3: he said, I'd really much prefer it, is that we

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Speaker 3: just edit out that segment. We just remove it from

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Speaker 3: from the interview, and we air everything else and just

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Speaker 3: not include that segment. And I describe in the book

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Speaker 3: that you know, I thought about it, and it was

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Speaker 3: obviously in my self interest to pick option number one.

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Speaker 3: That like having CNN having Tapper admit he was full

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Speaker 3: of crap and I was right. That was a big

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Speaker 3: political victory.

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Speaker 1: But I also.

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Speaker 3: Expected that I would be doing a whole lot more

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Speaker 3: interviews with Tapper and with CNN, and I frankly respected

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Speaker 3: how he approached it. That he came to me and

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Speaker 3: he admitted he was wrong, and he gave me that option.

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Speaker 3: I thought was an honorable way to handle it. And

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Speaker 3: so I made what I would say is a long

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Speaker 3: term play rather than a short term play, and I said, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you can go ahead and cut the segment out, and

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Speaker 3: so they did. So the story I recount in the book,

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Speaker 3: that segment never aired because CNN cut the segment out.

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Speaker 3: I focus on Tapper in particular because I think he's

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Speaker 3: a smart guy, and I think he wants to be

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Speaker 3: a journalist, and I think in his heart right now,

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Speaker 3: he knows that he's not that broke Tapper. That now

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Speaker 3: CNN will have a panel of five experts there to

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Speaker 3: discuss true or not Donald Trump is the devil, and

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Speaker 3: all five of them agree, of course he's the devil. No,

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Speaker 3: he's worse than the devil. That's the whole debate. And

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Speaker 3: you know, look, CNN used to be a place if

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Speaker 3: you go back to twenty seventeen. In twenty seventeen, I

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Speaker 3: did three town hall debates on CNN with Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 3: We did one on healthcare and two on tax policy,

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Speaker 3: and They were great debates. I think they were among,

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Speaker 3: if not the highest rated shows on CNN that whole year.

696
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Speaker 3: They were ninety minutes. Bernie is an unapologetic defender of socialism.

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Speaker 3: I'm an unapologic defender of capitalism. And we had a

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Speaker 3: real and subsim debate that CNN doesn't exist anymore, and

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Speaker 3: it's bad for America, it's bad for the world that

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Speaker 3: we don't have functioning journalism. And I describe all of

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Speaker 3: this in the book, but I also describe how because journalism,

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Speaker 3: corporate media is broke, it's part of what makes the

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Speaker 3: radical Democrats so extreme, why they vote for such ridiculous

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Speaker 3: policy positions that are so out of the mainstream, because

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Speaker 3: it by reporters back home. They will never have to

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Speaker 2: Senator, There's another part of your book that I want

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Speaker 2: to mention real quick, and it's a trend. Whether it's

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Speaker 2: you talking about big tech or the schools or Marxism

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Speaker 2: in Washington. The list goes on on especially and you

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Speaker 2: have a lot talking here about science and COVID. That

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Speaker 2: chapter is probably my favorite. As I was reading it today,

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Speaker 2: I was marking it up. But there's a trend in

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Speaker 2: this book and I love this. This may be my

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Speaker 2: favorite part. Is you at each in each chapter, in essence,

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Speaker 2: ask how do you fight back? How to reclaim control?

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Speaker 2: How do we win? It's not just a book of

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Speaker 2: you ranting about issues, but you actually lay out how

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Speaker 2: we can succeed and get our and win on our

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Speaker 2: side of the argument. And that's what empowers the reader

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Speaker 2: to not just read a book, but to take something

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Speaker 2: from it.

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Speaker 1: And I love that well.

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Speaker 3: It is critically important and there are all sorts of

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Speaker 3: elements of how we fight back and win. One of

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Speaker 3: it is transit, parency and sunshine. The views of the

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Speaker 3: radical left are wildly unpopular. Look, no rational person supports

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Speaker 3: abolishing the police. That's a nutty position. No rational person

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Speaker 3: supports open borders and the chaos at our southern border.

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Speaker 3: No rational person supports medically and surgically sterilizing and castrating

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Speaker 3: eight year old children. No rational person is befuddled by

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Speaker 3: the question what is a woman? All of those are

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Speaker 3: ninety ten issues, and the radical Left is on the

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Speaker 3: extreme minority position on every one of them. It's why

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Speaker 3: they rely on force rather than persuasion, because their positions

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Speaker 3: are out there and so often shining a light is really,

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Speaker 3: really potent. I'm gonna give an example. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: give an example from Verdict. So we had a podcast

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Speaker 3: several weeks ago that was in titled black Lives Matter

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Speaker 3: is Hamas, and we walk through how black Lives Matter

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Speaker 3: is a statement, is a truism. It's absolutely true, yes,

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Speaker 3: period the end. However, Black Lives Matter, the organization Black

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Speaker 3: Lives Matter, Inc. Is a very different thing. It is

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Speaker 3: found founded by a vowed Marxists who are trained Marxists.

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Speaker 3: They're trained in fomenting communist revolutions. That's their own self description,

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Speaker 3: not our language. Their language. They are vicious racists and

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Speaker 3: they are deeply, deeply anti Semitic. They hate Israel. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: one of the co founders of Black Lives Matter, has

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Speaker 3: called since nineteen ninety five for the destruction of the

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Speaker 3: state of Israel. And on our podcast, we laid out

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Speaker 3: all of that evidence, and then we named names of

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Speaker 3: all of the or a number of the giant corporations

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Speaker 3: who had given millions of dollars to Black Lives Matter,

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Speaker 3: and that included Amazon, and Apple and Coca Cola, and

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Speaker 3: we said, listen to these companies, do you support vicious racism,

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Speaker 3: do you support vicious anti Semitism? Do you support demanding

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Speaker 3: the destruction of the state of Israel? Do you support

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Speaker 3: these avowed Marxists because you gave money to them? That

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Speaker 3: podcast came out, I believe October eighteenth. The next day,

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Speaker 3: Coca Cola went online and they scrubbed their website to

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Speaker 3: remove every reference to the five hundred thousand dollars that

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Speaker 3: they had given the Black Lives Matter And it was

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Speaker 3: a direct result of this Verdict podcast. We put the

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Speaker 3: podcast out and almost immediately they erased it. Now they

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Speaker 3: thought they could do it quietly, they could just hide

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Speaker 3: and evade responsibility. I'm calling them out. I'm calling them out,

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Speaker 3: and I'm shining a light and I'm saying, look, have

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Speaker 3: you apologized to the American people for why you were

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Speaker 3: funding a viciously racist and anti Semitic organization And it

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00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: wasn't a secret, they were open about it. Then you

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Speaker 3: just didn't care because you're well, politics mattered more to

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Speaker 3: you than doing the right thing. And that's one of

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Speaker 3: the strategies that is inherent in this book is shining

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Speaker 3: the light and calling them out, and that's how you

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Speaker 3: win victories. In chapter after chapter, I talk about winning victories.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's winning school board seats back, or flipping Virginia

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Speaker 3: read as Parents Got Furious, or whether it's Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: buying Twitter. All of these are strategies where we take

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Speaker 3: these institutions back.

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible book, Center and congratulations on it. It's

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Speaker 2: one that I hope everybody listing will go grab. You

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Speaker 2: can go to Amazon right now, you can order it.

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Speaker 2: It's a fabulous Christmas gift. It is three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty six pages from beginning to end. One of the

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Speaker 2: chapters that you've got to read. If you get it,

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Speaker 2: make sure you read the big tech tech chapter and

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Speaker 2: also science. The science chapter to me was one that

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Speaker 2: as I was reading it Center. I know you well

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Speaker 2: enough to know when you really get passionate about something,

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Speaker 2: you were really really passionate when writing to that chapter

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Speaker 2: on science and what has happened and how science has

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Speaker 2: just been totally corrupted, whether it's by Fauci or others

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Speaker 2: that are pushing agendas through science, and those are two

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Speaker 2: chapters I just want to mark for people.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you take a look at those as well.

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Speaker 2: Grab the book Unwoke How to defeed a Cultural Marxism

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Speaker 2: in America. You can get on Amazon, order it now

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