Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, culture. This
Speaker 1: is going one of the great weeks of life for
Speaker 1: many reasons. I wouldn't even chalk it up to one
Speaker 1: single reason. And you'll notice I didn't. You'll actually notice
Speaker 1: I didn't even chalk it up to one single major
Speaker 1: tay orrific reason. But there is so much to talk
Speaker 1: about bowing at the gate. Let me just say we
Speaker 1: need to savor times like these. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: bad stuff going on in the world. You might have
Speaker 1: had a personally rough week yourself. I'm talking to the readers,
Speaker 1: the katies, the publicists by however you identify out there.
Speaker 1: However you identify out there, weeks like these where we
Speaker 1: can all have fun talking about art. Shall we say?
Speaker 1: Is that rest assle? Oh my god? Do you your
Speaker 1: word could have shoulda freaka? What is a song and
Speaker 1: a half? Not to jump ahead, but I feel like,
Speaker 1: spiritually are this generation of Taylor this is are all
Speaker 1: too well period. Wow, it's getting disrespected by being on
Speaker 1: bonus tracks. But also if that doesn't matter, well, let's
Speaker 1: we can talk about this later. But but the three
Speaker 1: Am songs have a specific intention in DNA behind them
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that later. Anyway, lots of great reasons. Um,
Speaker 1: my nephew's briss was on Thursday. How was the brist?
Speaker 1: Everything go? Well? Okay, can I tell you? Mr Aaron
Speaker 1: Weiss is his name? Champ screamed. I was expecting something
Speaker 1: like this during during, but it was actually this is this,
Speaker 1: this was this was what this boy did. Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1: If I had to imagine my penis getting clipped, I
Speaker 1: think it would just sort of feel like this, No,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Your your foreskin getting circumcised. I
Speaker 1: think if you get it into adulthood, like it's apparently
Speaker 1: like you're knocked out and you're on your damn back
Speaker 1: for like a week. Yeah, forget it. This kid was
Speaker 1: just on tailan all for the next day and that
Speaker 1: was that, even the next day, the next twelve hours. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful, beautiful thing. Um, welcome to the world, Aaron,
Speaker 1: Mr WAMR. He's he's so sweet. He broke his collarbone
Speaker 1: on the way out. What I know, because he's a
Speaker 1: big boy. I think that that happens. I think that happens. No,
Speaker 1: and he's he's doing great. And um, the family is
Speaker 1: very happy. Anyway. Christmas Thursday, I wrapped on Nora from Queen's.
Speaker 1: I brought a whole damn. I say about how much
Speaker 1: I loved that, and um, it's been a good week.
Speaker 1: And then and then Midnights and then when and you
Speaker 1: also saw Tar And you've had a reaction to Tar
Speaker 1: that I couldn't have even dreamed about. I knew you
Speaker 1: would enjoy it, but you're you're saying big things. I
Speaker 1: think this is one of my favorite movies of all time,
Speaker 1: period period. And he said the same thing. I've now
Speaker 1: seen it again. I've seen it twice. I am about
Speaker 1: to see it again with Josh and Aaron because we
Speaker 1: went out to the club. We went to six six,
Speaker 1: which is a monthly hyper pop party in Brooklyn by
Speaker 1: the amazing DJ the Limit doesn't exist. Yes, it's such
Speaker 1: a fun party. And every song that came on me,
Speaker 1: Aaron and Josh were going, this was what Lydia wanted,
Speaker 1: This what Lydia want. The Grammy for that and but then,
Speaker 1: but our theory now is that Lydia's egot wins are
Speaker 1: all for acting. Yeah, well that makes sense because she
Speaker 1: certainly was doing a convincing portrayal someone who was safe
Speaker 1: to be around. Oh my god, I'm so happy you
Speaker 1: liked it so much. I loved it. For for more
Speaker 1: on Tar. For Matt Rodgers and Guy Brandham's thoughts on Tar,
Speaker 1: please listen to the last week's episode. They said everything
Speaker 1: that that need be said. I loved the movie. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that you didn't. I also don't want to
Speaker 1: take anything away from you. So at any point during
Speaker 1: the discourse today, you feel like you absolutely have to
Speaker 1: get out your terrific million dollar pun right there responses
Speaker 1: to the film, You just stop everything and say, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on this scene and you can go off. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, But look, how did you experience
Speaker 1: the album? And let's just be real. Let's just be
Speaker 1: very real. It makes it's time to be real and
Speaker 1: a by him for sure, deleting um. But did you
Speaker 1: know because I was with people on Thursday night at
Speaker 1: Halloween Horror Knight's, and of course the album was out.
Speaker 1: We were all like, oh my god, we're so so excited.
Speaker 1: And so then I was with some people that were like,
Speaker 1: there's rumors of a sister album, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you're you've got to be fucking kidding me, and they
Speaker 1: were like, yes, Midnight's East Coast Midnight is getting an album.
Speaker 1: West Coast Midnight is people. That That's what was. That's
Speaker 1: what the rumor was, the heavy rumor on the streets
Speaker 1: of Halloween horror Knights, which were as spooky and OOKI
Speaker 1: as ever. By the way, and the Weekend has a
Speaker 1: hunted house, and I was literally screaming running from the
Speaker 1: Weekend from Able from Abel himself, so thinking in my
Speaker 1: head while I'm running away from Able an amazed theme
Speaker 1: to him and his music. I was like, is there
Speaker 1: about to be a three Am drop? And then lo
Speaker 1: and behold at midnight there was the Midnight's three Am version,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, the seven new
Speaker 1: songs because of course she had to stop at thirteen
Speaker 1: for the regular album. We all know, America, that's the girl,
Speaker 1: and then these seven songs. When I tell you I
Speaker 1: went home that night. For me, two out of my
Speaker 1: three favorite songs are in the three Am section. Let's
Speaker 1: we could talk about this, but let's just say the
Speaker 1: fact that you heard this at Universal Studios. Let's just
Speaker 1: established here now. If you want your swifty news first,
Speaker 1: the place to be is city Walk what you mad?
Speaker 1: City Walk is the source for swifty news. Well, city
Speaker 1: Walk is the center of Hollywood. It's actually why city
Speaker 1: Walk was nominated one of the best um neighborhoods in
Speaker 1: L A in the last school ESA's Culture Awards. And
Speaker 1: actually I believe, I believe it did not win. Oh no, CityWalk,
Speaker 1: CityWalk did win. City Walk did win Best Neighborhood in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. That makes a lot of sense because it
Speaker 1: really is. It's where the interesting artists are, I would say,
Speaker 1: and the people who are really plugged in with their
Speaker 1: ear to the ground of the entertainment industry are at
Speaker 1: city Walk, absolutely, and at really renowned restaurants of great
Speaker 1: esteem and repute. What was it. They're having dinner at
Speaker 1: Bubba Gump, They're getting a post dinner drink at Margarita Ville.
Speaker 1: These are where the movers and shakers go. They picking
Speaker 1: up a little they're picking up a fortune cookie at
Speaker 1: Panda Express. They really are, they really are. And so like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm hearing it. And then the three a
Speaker 1: M version rolls around and wow, And to find that
Speaker 1: that also had a concept which you alluded to earlier.
Speaker 1: Would you do you want to get into that, okay.
Speaker 1: So I would say thirteen tracks on the Coreman Night's
Speaker 1: album are very sonically and thematically tight. It's contemplative, it's quiet,
Speaker 1: it's subdued, and I would say the three AM tracks
Speaker 1: are at the witching hour of three am, where your
Speaker 1: mind truly goes to some wild places. That is the
Speaker 1: more emotionally um on wheel dy time of the night,
Speaker 1: and you really your your mind goes to the extremes.
Speaker 1: Midnight is actually a pretty chill time of day. That's
Speaker 1: the thing too. It's like you know, when you're a
Speaker 1: baby and they tell you, oh, it's exciting to stay
Speaker 1: up till midnight on New Year's you sort of get
Speaker 1: this thing in your head that the most thrilling moment
Speaker 1: as your cognition is forming, you think it's a feat
Speaker 1: to stay up till midnight. But then you get to
Speaker 1: be an older person and you find out that midnight
Speaker 1: is not so late. So the things you're thinking about
Speaker 1: about at midnight you can find in these first thirteen tracks.
Speaker 1: Definitely contemplative. Definitely it's me by myself sort of thinking
Speaker 1: to myself. But three Am, I mean, these are the
Speaker 1: the issues that arise and cause a restless mind. The
Speaker 1: three AM is where you go. I think there's been
Speaker 1: a glitch. Three AM is basically when you go. Did
Speaker 1: you see the photos? No? I didn't. But thanks though.
Speaker 1: First of all, like you're so right about the chaotic
Speaker 1: nature of the three AM tracks because that first verse
Speaker 1: of Paris, I am obsess bone. I've never heard something
Speaker 1: to Taylor in my life. By the way, we should
Speaker 1: just say a lot of people have been asking is
Speaker 1: this a Taylor album or a Taylor album. I have
Speaker 1: an opinion on this, and I want to know if
Speaker 1: you share it. This is a Taylor album, But this
Speaker 1: album is Taylor having taken a breath, And this is
Speaker 1: this is Taylor having said, you know what, I'm certainly Taylor,
Speaker 1: I'm certainly on my ship, but I'm taking a breath
Speaker 1: so I can collect my thoughts. This is Taylor with
Speaker 1: sound mind. This is Taylor saying, let me use my talent,
Speaker 1: my gifts for a contemplative end. This is Taylor energy
Speaker 1: with Taylor lyrics. Truly brov Tay Laura again. But I
Speaker 1: just want to leave that in the folklore Everymore era
Speaker 1: because this is something different. This is this is a culmination.
Speaker 1: I agree, I think I'm just gonna come out with
Speaker 1: it right away. Okay, I don't think this is Taylor.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is Taylor. I think this is
Speaker 1: something entirely new. And it just came to me. You know,
Speaker 1: I proposed to you a new sort of binary breaking persona.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually not going to present that here tonight,
Speaker 1: at this time. Okay, what I am going to present
Speaker 1: is Allison. Oh. This album is the first Allison album. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is this album is Alley with one L with
Speaker 1: one L. My god, and and and I not not
Speaker 1: a y and I this is a I. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in this. First of all, let me tell you
Speaker 1: something bouting. It's you, Hi. You are not the problem.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not with this, with this assessment, you
Speaker 1: have really killed a girl. I never stare directly at
Speaker 1: the sun only in the movie. Wait, so let's go
Speaker 1: track by track and I can't do hold on, well,
Speaker 1: can I can I actually explain? Okay, let me just
Speaker 1: quickly before we do track by track, let me just
Speaker 1: quickly explain, Ali, I got my notes out, Allison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Tell us the readers, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: oh my god, dear reader, keep on yet there's a
Speaker 1: lot of less culch in this out on this album,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into it. The Taylor Swift theory, the
Speaker 1: unifying theory of Taylor Swift is this is someone who
Speaker 1: is constantly making the self. She's constantly figuring out the identity.
Speaker 1: This is the difference between Taylor Swift and let's say, Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Beyonce is thinking about her legacy in terms of a
Speaker 1: community and in terms of the greater sort of experience
Speaker 1: of her music, which is that we all love and
Speaker 1: are obsessed with a Beyonce drop, right, and we can
Speaker 1: all sort of get behind a Beyonce album when it
Speaker 1: comes out. And her music is about a collectivism. It's
Speaker 1: about like my community, let me give the spotlight away
Speaker 1: from me and put it on a big frieda on
Speaker 1: the house of aubionce on like I'm just and this
Speaker 1: is just renaissance. Okay, Yeah, that's just gonna say this. This
Speaker 1: This feels like a renaissance like assessment. Yes, yes, with Taylor,
Speaker 1: it is about an individualism. And I don't even mean
Speaker 1: this in a pejorative way, but Taylor Swift's music is
Speaker 1: all is usually only about one person, and usually at
Speaker 1: the time it's about her. Yeah, this is really interesting
Speaker 1: because actually I was walking to get coffee earlier and
Speaker 1: I was thinking that in the same regard, it's really
Speaker 1: interesting to see her lyrics start to turn inward as
Speaker 1: opposed to outwards. So the younger Taylor was always like
Speaker 1: the problem is with other people, like the issue my
Speaker 1: issues are with other people. I've been wronged, I want
Speaker 1: something I can't have. It was very much connecting with
Speaker 1: her audience in the regard of like we are externalizing.
Speaker 1: And then in the last few albums, and I think
Speaker 1: it's been really interesting to see her sort of bring
Speaker 1: this like Taylor performance energy, this like fresh, poppy, fun
Speaker 1: performance energy, and this vibe to what is now I
Speaker 1: think the first time that we're seeing her in a
Speaker 1: consistent block of like the last three albums turn inward,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and she like, for example,
Speaker 1: with Anti Hero that to me is self consciousness anxiety,
Speaker 1: like anthem this is and honestly it's Taylor being aware
Speaker 1: of Taylor and being like, sometimes I'm so humiliated by
Speaker 1: myself and you know what I mean, Like if someone
Speaker 1: at her stature, that's like pretty bold and for us
Speaker 1: to ill understand and get on a certain level that
Speaker 1: this is a pop song that we all can enjoy,
Speaker 1: but it's very much about the individual. I don't think
Speaker 1: we've seen that since like thank You next where we're like,
Speaker 1: this is this artist's song and probably no one else
Speaker 1: can ever do it in a way that's going to
Speaker 1: hit on this scale that means such a specific thing
Speaker 1: for a specific person, and that is a feat one
Speaker 1: thousand percent. I've said this before. I'm like, oh, my
Speaker 1: thing with Taylor's music is that like you can't really
Speaker 1: throw it on at the club right like and so
Speaker 1: it's not so it is like because it's this confessional
Speaker 1: song singer songwriter tradition. But the thing Okay, so I
Speaker 1: listened to Into It by Sam Sanders. We love Sam.
Speaker 1: He did in an episode about Taylor Swift. He had
Speaker 1: on and powers from NPR. An amazing music writer and
Speaker 1: she has all these wonderful insights and her idea of
Speaker 1: like the unifying theory of Taylor Swift is that it's
Speaker 1: someone who kind of like a Bob Dylan was able
Speaker 1: to marry singer songwriter, confessional person with um writing about
Speaker 1: a persona and kind of even more so than Bob Dylan,
Speaker 1: like is writing about the way she is perceived in
Speaker 1: a way that not that many people have really done
Speaker 1: in like modern recorded music. And so Auntie here is
Speaker 1: a perfect thing where it's Taylor Swift writing about Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: which we can't really even blank Space, which is like
Speaker 1: her other self aware Bob is like pure Taylor, pure
Speaker 1: because there there is one intent behind it, and it's
Speaker 1: to tenttalize totally. And so with Midnights you kind of
Speaker 1: realize as a listener that her whole career has been
Speaker 1: like the painter painting a self portrait. It's it's van Gogh.
Speaker 1: It's like every now and then she'll paint a starry night,
Speaker 1: you know, a still life, a vase or something, but
Speaker 1: like the most impactful work, and and not in like
Speaker 1: a vain reason, not her vain sort of motivation. Is
Speaker 1: her painting herself at different stages in her life. And
Speaker 1: then you go, wow, this is really interesting and then
Speaker 1: it gets everyone talking. And so the reason why, like
Speaker 1: I do think that the online discourse is a little divided.
Speaker 1: People are like, it's not her best album. I don't
Speaker 1: understand it. I think it's because it is again the
Speaker 1: individualist thing where it's like this is about me, and
Speaker 1: so that's harder for people to get behind because no
Speaker 1: one else's Taylor Swift exactly. And I also think lyrically
Speaker 1: it's dense and in this type of music that can
Speaker 1: sometimes be a little bit hard to find lyrically, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like it took me. I loved it instantly,
Speaker 1: but it took me about two or three listens on
Speaker 1: each song to really figure out what everything was about,
Speaker 1: because there's there's both a lot going on and also
Speaker 1: it is weirdly minimalist too. But what I loved is like,
Speaker 1: and what I've always noted about her is she is
Speaker 1: so good. It at just very simply getting an emotion across,
Speaker 1: like I always walking all the way back to you
Speaker 1: belong with me. You're on the phone with your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She's upset, she's going off about something that you said
Speaker 1: because she doesn't get your humor like I do. Like
Speaker 1: this is what every girl thinks about. The guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't look at her is wow, like there there and
Speaker 1: it's specifically like lashing into she doesn't get your humor
Speaker 1: like I do, you immediately know you are that girl,
Speaker 1: You are her, like we're experiencing it and to see
Speaker 1: her sort of get more intelligent with the way that
Speaker 1: she wields words and uses and just like becomes more
Speaker 1: emotionally intelligent. Over time, she has maintained that talent, but
Speaker 1: now it is her lyrics are this lyrically is her
Speaker 1: her best album and literally like there's something in every
Speaker 1: single song where I have to be like, what did
Speaker 1: she just say? Like ultimately an anti hero like, um,
Speaker 1: I'll stare directly at the sun but never in the
Speaker 1: mirror like that is really you know, And what's going
Speaker 1: to be a Billboard number one hot one hit like
Speaker 1: that is some ship m hmm, totally, it's all truism.
Speaker 1: Mariah carry is clapping, you're so verbos queens recognized verboas queens. Literally,
Speaker 1: Maria is gonna write Taylor a letter about this one.
Speaker 1: For sure, She's gonna say, hey girl, I just want
Speaker 1: to say what you did there? I know, I know
Speaker 1: that the tourist was out period, and definitely it's time
Speaker 1: for it's time for the track by, It's time for
Speaker 1: the track by track and um, so we hit play
Speaker 1: And first of all, can I just say something because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be like rolling
Speaker 1: their eyes. I know a lot of the Sorry but
Speaker 1: fags that listen to this are gonna be rolling our
Speaker 1: eyes because we didn't mention Carly Rae. Let me say
Speaker 1: two things I went to. I went to the Carly
Speaker 1: Ray concert at the Greek the other night. She was
Speaker 1: so much fun. She puts on an incredible show, hits
Speaker 1: so great live. She looked stunning. Her backup dancers looked
Speaker 1: like Heather Gay and Whitney Rose from the real house
Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City. It was so shocking. But her also,
Speaker 1: her set was amazing. The moon was talking to us
Speaker 1: katam in life so headman life, and she knew what
Speaker 1: she was doing because she stopped one song in the
Speaker 1: middle and said, wait, wait, I want to take you
Speaker 1: into my fantasy. And I was like, this nymph is
Speaker 1: going off like it was giving tinker Bell vibes and
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts could never wow. Her album is fab but
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, my my all, my time and energy was
Speaker 1: taken up by this one thing. I did give car
Speaker 1: carle right a couple of spins. You have, but you
Speaker 1: got everyone's everything. Go listen. Shooting Star bends as an
Speaker 1: excellent album. My favorite is the first track, Surrender My
Speaker 1: Heart surrender my heart. That's what I want from Carly, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like just really solid song.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like that she's trying to do something
Speaker 1: a little bit like a beach house. I'm always like,
Speaker 1: I don't I can't really currently connect with this, but
Speaker 1: I like that she's taking a rest. Beach house is
Speaker 1: really giving Cobra starship to me, it's giving good girls
Speaker 1: go in Maliboon, probably gonna hood you. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a great hook. That's a good hook. Listen to Betty
Speaker 1: who big. Really, God, we're so spoiled right now, We're
Speaker 1: so we're really up to the neck in pop girly time. God.
Speaker 1: And then the other day in the car, I just
Speaker 1: like was I was like, you know what, we're putting
Speaker 1: on renaissance from my ride to therapy and back, and
Speaker 1: that one's always going to be right there too. This
Speaker 1: has been a year, a wonderful year, forget about it.
Speaker 1: You know where I'm going on Wednesday? I'm going to
Speaker 1: see the Moona concert. And if you're going to be
Speaker 1: there tonight, I guess so, So tonight I will be
Speaker 1: at the Moona Concert getting my life. Um, alright, so
Speaker 1: are we going from traqua. Let's go from track one
Speaker 1: and we're doing all twenty period period. Okay, track one,
Speaker 1: Lavender Hayes this to me when this started. When when
Speaker 1: I heard me I'm Midnight, I was excited. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but confirmed this is a Taylor album. The
Speaker 1: way that she introduced herself, I was just I was
Speaker 1: already smiling big and then you knew that that was
Speaker 1: just gonna be giving us vibes. Her vocalizations, her random
Speaker 1: vocalizations are popping on this album. Okay, speak on this.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, oh nothing, which I also love, and
Speaker 1: that's getting a race. Like I'm just saying like things
Speaker 1: that she found vocally here, like non lyrically. I just
Speaker 1: think they're up there with her best. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: trust this. Okay. My. The thing that I always think
Speaker 1: about when I listened to this is the j sweet
Speaker 1: who wonderful writer, producer, has done a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: with Drake did heat it to on Renaissance, and I
Speaker 1: saw when they dropped the credits like days before the release,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is going to be interesting because
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was gonna be a Drake collab.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe I was gonna be a surprise Drake
Speaker 1: clab because there was a bunch of rumors that there
Speaker 1: was a Taylor Drake collab which didn't happen, but also
Speaker 1: who maybe it existed, we haven't heard it yet. Sure
Speaker 1: sure this one. I didn't really know what to make
Speaker 1: of it. On first listen, it was like interest, like
Speaker 1: she she's kind of um. The track ones are always
Speaker 1: always interesting with her, interesting with her And I don't
Speaker 1: mean that in a in a bad way either, I
Speaker 1: mean like it's a it's a very deliberate thing every
Speaker 1: single time. Yeah, Like to me, the one on Folklore
Speaker 1: is a choice for the first yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: this was giving me the one like I'm doing good,
Speaker 1: I'm on, I'm on some new ship like that to
Speaker 1: me was giving like it was the same vibe as
Speaker 1: I've been under scrutiny. Yeah, yeah, beautifully. Yeah Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, so we're talking about the things that
Speaker 1: she's going through publicly. Here we go, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is Taylor, And I thought, oh, I hope this
Speaker 1: isn't too indulgent in this regard. But but then it
Speaker 1: was really just again she brought it back to the
Speaker 1: safety that she feels in this new feeling in the
Speaker 1: new relationship. The Lavender Hayes, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw her interview about this, but she was watching
Speaker 1: mad Men and someone mentioned being in the Lavender Hays
Speaker 1: which is feelings of new love. That's sort of like
Speaker 1: hazy feeling of new love, that nice comfort in a
Speaker 1: new um emotion that's positive. And I love that she
Speaker 1: used this because the really the whole album to me
Speaker 1: is like starting end ending book ending as a love
Speaker 1: letter to Joe Um and so in that way, like
Speaker 1: by the time I got to the end, I was like,
Speaker 1: Lavendar Hayes is gonna hit really hard on second listen totally.
Speaker 1: I think it's a sensitive song for Glor's for sure.
Speaker 1: I think glors are incredibly betrayed because they see the
Speaker 1: word lavender, they go, she's gonna come out, She's gonna
Speaker 1: come out. And now she doubled down on the head
Speaker 1: row life. She's simply not queer. That's what she was
Speaker 1: saying with Lavender Hayes. And that's okay, swift ease, it's
Speaker 1: okay to be straight. It's actually real culture number forty
Speaker 1: nine swift sweets okay to be pretty straight. I've been
Speaker 1: saying that for months now. I'm gonna start saying it
Speaker 1: today and then every day going forward for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. Hey, everyone, readers, if you go up
Speaker 1: to a straight person today, I just put your hand
Speaker 1: on the shoulder and just say it's okay to be straight.
Speaker 1: It's okay, and you can tell if they're straight. Let
Speaker 1: me go because the outfits are terrible. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I dragged. Well, it's interesting that you say meet me
Speaker 1: at midnight. You understood that it was Taylor immediately. This
Speaker 1: is this is the period that I meant to put
Speaker 1: on the end of my thought earlier, which is Ali Allison.
Speaker 1: This is Taylor singing about Taylor and vice versa, and
Speaker 1: therefore it is the middle ground. It is collapsing the
Speaker 1: binary into the middle name, which is Allison. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: you ready to say that Miss big girl who we
Speaker 1: meet in the anti Hero video is big Al. That's
Speaker 1: big Al. You gave her the name Tad for me
Speaker 1: for me, it's all caps like the wind. Hey, I
Speaker 1: don't think the girl is Ali. Ali is Ali is
Speaker 1: the person with the Zippo lighter. Damn. Ali is like
Speaker 1: I'm peering into the plasma. I'm peering into this really,
Speaker 1: because if you can't touch fire right, it's absolutely can't
Speaker 1: get burnt, getned lyric from like Red Yeah, that's definitely
Speaker 1: Red era, but it's like that's Ali. Ali is someone
Speaker 1: who is like, I Am everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 1: Shout out to MICHELLEO and the Daniels. Let's just make
Speaker 1: sure that we constantly keep their name in the conversation.
Speaker 1: One directed episodes or one episode of North Queens. Let's
Speaker 1: bring it back to that. Thank you. Let's move on,
Speaker 1: speaking of excellence, Maroon Baby, the way we moved from
Speaker 1: Lavender this, Can I say when an album gives colors,
Speaker 1: I can really see that and I can really you're
Speaker 1: not color blind anymore? No, this album actually cured my
Speaker 1: color blindness. And can I say maroon is actually a
Speaker 1: tough color for me because everyone, I'm sorry, I mean
Speaker 1: the raised, It's just I never know if what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing is actually maroon. In fact, last night I really
Speaker 1: wanted to wear a Maroon shirt because I knew I
Speaker 1: was going to be around some Swifties at the party
Speaker 1: I was at, and I really have a hard time
Speaker 1: with that color. I often think maroon is. I think
Speaker 1: brown is sometimes brown, purple, red. It's a really tough
Speaker 1: color for me. But when I heard this song, I
Speaker 1: opened my eyes for really, I think the first time,
Speaker 1: and some roon and bowen. I went out yesterday and
Speaker 1: I bought a Maroon shirt. Congratulations, thank you, sitting that
Speaker 1: that is so powerful to me, that my friend who
Speaker 1: has been afflicted with color blindness, this whole life goes.
Speaker 1: I bought a Maroon shirt. Yeah, one of the vaguest
Speaker 1: colors there is. And now my color blindness is just
Speaker 1: a memory, Wick Wick, the memory. M that's a real
Speaker 1: fucking legacy to leave. Can you get out of here? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: not absolutely not to talk about Maroon. I mean, my
Speaker 1: thing with Maroon is it's just like it's giving me, Lord,
Speaker 1: it's giving me pure heroine earra Lord, which is really
Speaker 1: my favorite Lord, to be honest with you, when I
Speaker 1: first experienced her, like no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no,
Speaker 1: non me, she's digging in. I'm just like everything about
Speaker 1: this song is just rich, just like the color sonically,
Speaker 1: this matches what's happening lyrically in a very full, complete
Speaker 1: way to me, the definition of a vibe. Okay, And
Speaker 1: when you said you texted me this is if Dress
Speaker 1: exploded into a regular album, And honestly, Dress, to me
Speaker 1: is a highlight of one of my favorite Taylor albums
Speaker 1: reputation or should I say Taylor and to watch Dress explode,
Speaker 1: to watch that Seed become this garden, as you said
Speaker 1: on Instagram story, like a fucking poet. You said that, Taylor,
Speaker 1: I really, really really I heard you say that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn it, what a time to
Speaker 1: be alive. I love this vibe. Maroon is in my
Speaker 1: top five. It is of all Taylor, of oh No,
Speaker 1: of this album. I'm not ready. I can't like. But
Speaker 1: you're saying Dress. I know for a fact that Dress
Speaker 1: is one of your favorites. It is in the whole
Speaker 1: of and if Maroon is sort of like this sort
Speaker 1: of evolved or maybe Atter really the sibling of Dress,
Speaker 1: I feel like it really has a shot at landing it.
Speaker 1: It does because Dress is definitely in my top twenty
Speaker 1: of all time. I'll say that it's definitely in my
Speaker 1: top twenty, like it makes it makes the greatest hits,
Speaker 1: non single version like deluxe album for me, like on
Speaker 1: Taylor's if I had to compile everything, I think it
Speaker 1: says it clearly is important, like in terms of her discography,
Speaker 1: because it is. It is really like a basis for
Speaker 1: what happened with this album. I love Maroon, I love
Speaker 1: that you love Maroon. I love Maroon, and I this
Speaker 1: might segue perfectly into the next track. The album made
Speaker 1: sense for me once you got to Anti Hero. Anti
Speaker 1: Hero made Lavender Hays in Maroon work for me. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? I'm I love that we can disagree
Speaker 1: in this way. Maroon was is the bridge or is
Speaker 1: the ramp up to I think the thesis of the album,
Speaker 1: which is Anti Hero. But I'm happy Anti Hero comes
Speaker 1: in the three spot, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: feel like it would have been tough to open up
Speaker 1: with Anti Hero because it's just so it's just such
Speaker 1: a moment, like, okay, so get this, let's just play
Speaker 1: baseball for a second. In a in a lineup, you
Speaker 1: don't put your strongest girl first. You put the girl
Speaker 1: who's gonna get you on base first, who can steal
Speaker 1: some bases and make sure that we get her home.
Speaker 1: Miss number three, three and four are really your power hitters. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for Anti Hero to come out doing what it
Speaker 1: does in the three spot, that's giving baseball down. It's
Speaker 1: giving most Valuable Player vibes, it's giving the Silver Slugger,
Speaker 1: It's giving Don't worry, girls, we're scoring runs on tonight
Speaker 1: because I'm up at bat because Anti Hero and Snow
Speaker 1: on the Beach are three and four and they're gonna
Speaker 1: knock it out of the park. Anti Hero is her
Speaker 1: best lyrics maybe ever. I simply, like I said before,
Speaker 1: self Consciousness anxiety album, and it's such a specific thank God,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, just like this is one that I
Speaker 1: cannot stop listening to and to see the video. I
Speaker 1: texted you. I was like, she is now. I mean,
Speaker 1: now we're actually visualizing Taylor and Taylor and I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like the analysis here of self. I
Speaker 1: have to take my hat off. Your hat is on.
Speaker 1: You don't have to take still on. But my hair
Speaker 1: is a mess right now. But you don't want to
Speaker 1: see it. That's okay, don't worry. I love you at
Speaker 1: any hair. That's a real fucking legacy to leave. It's
Speaker 1: a real fucking legacy. Now, God, she was able to
Speaker 1: capture this, which is very I'm gonna say, Kate Bush
Speaker 1: like that is like such a I'm never gonna say,
Speaker 1: like I want guard, but it's very like like like
Speaker 1: it's just very like something she really went for, something
Speaker 1: she hasn't done before. I think the Anti Hero is
Speaker 1: kind of a standout, and like her whole discography because
Speaker 1: it just yeah, it's expansive and tight at the same time.
Speaker 1: And also for nothing, yes, and also to to endeavor
Speaker 1: to write a song that's going to do all of
Speaker 1: the work it's doing, it better be good, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, and also like I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just obsessed, especially nowadays that a song
Speaker 1: this good is a Billboard Hot one hit if we're
Speaker 1: to look at the cannon of songs in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, just because of the way music pops
Speaker 1: off with charts wise, like lately, you don't always get, like,
Speaker 1: you know, actual important music being number one because it's
Speaker 1: like I don't know the TikTok of it all, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But this just like feels I feel grateful for it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Taylor is also she's not writing for TikTok,
Speaker 1: but she knows that it's this force in music now,
Speaker 1: and she goes and she understands that she enjoys being
Speaker 1: on it. Obviously, and she's who knows what her f
Speaker 1: y p is, but she's she understands how things get surfaced,
Speaker 1: and she understands what makes certain songs take off on it.
Speaker 1: So I have a suspicion that she goes, what is
Speaker 1: a lyric that lends itself to like a TikTok thing,
Speaker 1: it's me High, I'm the problem. It's me, And then
Speaker 1: like people feeling exactly, you know immediately that that would
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well that's going to be in
Speaker 1: a few hours, that's going to be the only thing
Speaker 1: you see on TikTok on The problem is Me on
Speaker 1: Holy found Dead on Holy was the only song on
Speaker 1: TikTok that and the Beyonce challenge that's fit and like
Speaker 1: now it's like you put on TikTok, it's only it's
Speaker 1: me High, I'm the problem. It's me. I was gonna
Speaker 1: compared to it like bad Habit by Steve Lacy, which
Speaker 1: again like number one great song, but it's like a
Speaker 1: perfect like way for anyone to be like, what's my
Speaker 1: bad habit this? And let me let me put that
Speaker 1: truck on it for Auntie here, it's like, what's my
Speaker 1: problematic thing about myself that I'm gonna like display and
Speaker 1: go to the world and it's cute, it's innocent where
Speaker 1: you can get dark with it. You can like you
Speaker 1: can kind of go any direction. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like Taylor She's never gonna like sacrifice herself
Speaker 1: to a social media platform in that way, Like she
Speaker 1: will always be about the songwriting, like the story will
Speaker 1: always do the work in her music. But like I
Speaker 1: think she knows how to like dial it up just
Speaker 1: enough for her to be like this is gonna fucking explode.
Speaker 1: I mean it also happens like again and again and
Speaker 1: again on the album where it just feels like and
Speaker 1: that's kind of always been She's always had these like
Speaker 1: little turns of phrase and like funny, little weird specific
Speaker 1: things she said that would pop off. But like you know,
Speaker 1: you can literally see in your mind's eye, how many
Speaker 1: girls are gonna do Lally. I've been dressing for revenge
Speaker 1: and look like a fucking stunning home, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I just my hats are off, like
Speaker 1: honestly anti hero. I also love the video and I
Speaker 1: love when she sat on the roof with herself that
Speaker 1: was giving me fly Ryland vibes um lost coaches all
Speaker 1: over this album. Say that. And I said to you,
Speaker 1: I was like, I think you need to text her
Speaker 1: girl and say that. We saw Taylor and Taylor in
Speaker 1: the video. We saw it, and we know that she's
Speaker 1: aware of the binary. Now, so is this a is
Speaker 1: this a lost Culch album? She did not text me back?
Speaker 1: You texted her? I texted her. I did, and I
Speaker 1: think maybe she she's busy. It's busy. She's busy. She's
Speaker 1: gonna get back. She's gonna get back. But um, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I'm choosing to believe that Burbig
Speaker 1: says Tay Taylor Taylor in the video. And also, Matt
Speaker 1: and I have decided that Giant You is named Tay.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if she'll see it, but she's
Speaker 1: gonna see it. Honestly. She know she's getting so many texts.
Speaker 1: You know that. Wow. Can you imagine what Taylor swift
Speaker 1: phone is like when she when maybe she puts it away.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. Can I
Speaker 1: tell you she's looking at her phone and that's okay,
Speaker 1: and she and she should She's worked hard. Now let's
Speaker 1: move on on the beach. On the beach, Girl Girl,
Speaker 1: this one. First of all, weird but fucking beautiful. My
Speaker 1: girl's cursing on this album. Let's talk about the curse thing.
Speaker 1: We hear fucking with a hard c K, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like really digging into my favorite way
Speaker 1: I hear people say the word fuck, like fucking beautiful.
Speaker 1: You really like gave you that U c K energy
Speaker 1: As much as being made about the history of the cursing,
Speaker 1: and I will say and admit that it has always
Speaker 1: kind of thrown me off, just for a micro second
Speaker 1: until maybe Midnight's where I'm like, she's she's got it.
Speaker 1: It is not getting in the way of my listening
Speaker 1: experience because even on the one I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: on some new ship, like okay, let me just get back,
Speaker 1: let me just get back into this. But I'm teetering
Speaker 1: just a little on the balance beam. And now I go,
Speaker 1: good for her. Yeah, now we say, thirty two year
Speaker 1: old woman who I believe curses, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm with you. But every step of the way, by
Speaker 1: the way, I guess what you're saying, it's like when
Speaker 1: you're it's been her, it's been part of her journey. Yeah. Literally,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like when Ellie says to you one day, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm dating this guy. You're gonna be like, you don't
Speaker 1: say that. And it's not fair for us to like
Speaker 1: think of Taylor Swift that way, honey, we don't. We
Speaker 1: should never gate keep Taylor from of all things language.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking crazy? Who do we think we are?
Speaker 1: She literally on a meta level, she says the word
Speaker 1: slur on this album. When she said later on in
Speaker 1: the album, you were doing lines, I was like, tell her,
Speaker 1: where is the pre name? What you were doing lines?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll say this for my don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: But everybody on Twitter, especially gay Twitter, saying that she's
Speaker 1: she did poppers in the studio. I'm like, no, how
Speaker 1: brand new is that thought? Way to go? Everybody, Well,
Speaker 1: I go, it's not a poppers album. No, I will
Speaker 1: say it is a funk album though it to me,
Speaker 1: it's a funk album. It's a fun album. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not poppers at the club. Let's say no, And
Speaker 1: like everyone's going this is kind of meane this is poppers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we just leave the only drug that's
Speaker 1: referenced is cocaine. Maybe she's doing lines of K. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but like it's a lot of K. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of K. And the nasal spray is now
Speaker 1: what's in fashion. Actually, I recently encountered the nasal spray
Speaker 1: and I do think it's a game change. It's it's efficient,
Speaker 1: it's very efficient. Yeah, I'm sure she'd be proud of
Speaker 1: us for using snow on the beach to transition into
Speaker 1: this nose drug land. But what do you make what
Speaker 1: do you make it? The Lawna the Lawna feature, because
Speaker 1: it is. I loved it. To me, The Lawna feature
Speaker 1: was giving atmosphere in the same way that like the
Speaker 1: Dicky checks were we're giving it on soon, you'll get better,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like and Maaron Morris giving
Speaker 1: it on you all over me. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: so good. But everyone's like she funked over Launa. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I feel like Laana probably was even preferring to be
Speaker 1: an ambient force on the track. It's also like, can
Speaker 1: you be fucked over when you're on a track that's
Speaker 1: now going to be number four on the Hot one
Speaker 1: just from being on there? You went and hung out
Speaker 1: in the studio with Taylor Swift. You gave ambiance and
Speaker 1: energy and atmosphere because she was inspired by what you do.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift said that she believes Lana del Rey is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest artists of our time. This came
Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth, and that she was so honest
Speaker 1: to be able to work with her on this. Like
Speaker 1: obviously Taylor has been inspired by Laana vibes, like let's
Speaker 1: let's be real, Like I mean, Lana's huge, Lord is huge.
Speaker 1: Like there's other like little references here and there like
Speaker 1: that have been there since the beginning of her career,
Speaker 1: but like they're big influences in terms of her move
Speaker 1: towards the type of music. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: actually fucking kind of rad that Lana was on this
Speaker 1: track because it says, it says to people that are
Speaker 1: like ash, she's just making a lot of music. It's like, no, Mama,
Speaker 1: I have actually mother Teresa's blessing. She's here on the track.
Speaker 1: She's giving atmosphere, So shut up. I think this sort
Speaker 1: of is the full circle and too wild. It's dreams
Speaker 1: like you wrote a lot of song and for I
Speaker 1: guess years now people are like, she's writing too much lunch,
Speaker 1: She's just kind of cribbing Laana. But now it's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I get like people ripping the feeling that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reference in the Let's get out of this
Speaker 1: how I I understand why people feel that, But then
Speaker 1: like the rest of the song and the energy of
Speaker 1: the song is so Taylor Swift like that, And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't that was not fair. I think
Speaker 1: for people to be like that, but I disagree to
Speaker 1: that bridge. I'm sorry. I'm thinking about all the streams
Speaker 1: were getting. The streams is my number one of all time.
Speaker 1: It's it still stands but um but but yeah, so
Speaker 1: on the Beach, I just love the way that the
Speaker 1: chorus ends like snow on the beach, Like I just
Speaker 1: love that, like like weird. It's like very weird and downward.
Speaker 1: It's like very sultry. It's it's very evocative like and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the weird but fucking beautiful again, Like I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see the girls tick top that one.
Speaker 1: I might do. Yeah, why not, let's move on. You're
Speaker 1: on your own, kid, This one's getting lost in It's
Speaker 1: a gem because you know why. I think people are
Speaker 1: feeling confused because they're like, this is not a track five.
Speaker 1: And at first I agree very much. I was like, this,
Speaker 1: this doesn't sound like a track five. It's not like
Speaker 1: it's not her spilling her guts in that way that
Speaker 1: we're accustomed to at this point in her albums. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a track five with distance. I think
Speaker 1: it's her. It's very much like um the Lucky One
Speaker 1: of Red. It's like her sort of from a different
Speaker 1: point of view, singing about someone who is going through
Speaker 1: a very transformative time in their life. For me, this
Speaker 1: was very specifically about her. Oh absolutely, it is about her,
Speaker 1: But I think it's her like looking back on herself.
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's like national era, like which you
Speaker 1: just moved there, or just like definitely a time in
Speaker 1: her career in life when she was like succumbing to
Speaker 1: whatever pressure she felt from the industry. Yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: this is about that thing of you felt it was
Speaker 1: gonna be one thing and now it's another. And also
Speaker 1: wherever you go, there you are, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that those are the vibes for me. Lyrically with this,
Speaker 1: I mean scanning the room of better bodies just to
Speaker 1: find out that my dream wasn't rare like whatever. That
Speaker 1: that that I mean, that to me is just like
Speaker 1: that's that's that's for real, because honest, she's this is
Speaker 1: her honesty's own song, very much so. And I also
Speaker 1: think it's a perfect track five for midnights because it's
Speaker 1: I'm up thinking about this. The whole thing is like
Speaker 1: basically one long track five already, and so why not
Speaker 1: like give it a little accent in that spot where
Speaker 1: you go, this is something a little bit different than
Speaker 1: what you're used to. That's my theory. Yeah, I would agree,
Speaker 1: And I think it's just watching this one get lost
Speaker 1: in the conversation. I think it's because any track five
Speaker 1: is going to have a high bar or people are
Speaker 1: gonna feel like they want to be wowed by it
Speaker 1: by the time it's over. And I think because it's
Speaker 1: it's been preceded by these these tracks like an anti
Speaker 1: hero like feels like on another album, maybe that's the
Speaker 1: track five, but then we have this one. And I
Speaker 1: just also musically, I really really like it. It's just
Speaker 1: it's getting lost, and I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a grower for people. And I think by the time
Speaker 1: she plays this in the Midnight Stadium tour, We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're all gonna be singing every word, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't think if this means anything, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I was sort of taken by the fact that there's
Speaker 1: not much guitar, almost no guitar on the thirteen tracks
Speaker 1: on the Core Midnight's Interesting album, except for I Think
Speaker 1: You're on Your Own Kid, where it's like like it's
Speaker 1: but it's just like not that many chords, Like the
Speaker 1: progression is just like one note for the most part,
Speaker 1: and as in like it's one like it's just her yes,
Speaker 1: one note, um, And so I think that's just it's
Speaker 1: a really I think she knows to like switch it
Speaker 1: up at this point in her career for album ten.
Speaker 1: It's like, let me actually do something else. I like,
Speaker 1: I love it so much, no notes coming from me
Speaker 1: on Your On your Own Kid. I just think we
Speaker 1: need to, you know, have some respect for it. I
Speaker 1: really do. Now let's get to this is a really
Speaker 1: important one. This is I love Midnight Rain. I love
Speaker 1: Midnight Rain. Mm hmm. First listen, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is this is a huge one for me. I love
Speaker 1: the in the like octave jump like man the same.
Speaker 1: I just I love that ship. The choice to modulate
Speaker 1: it down for the first two times you hear that
Speaker 1: chorus God first of all to me say, imagen is
Speaker 1: all over this album. M that's that's also a huge influence. Clearly, clearly,
Speaker 1: And did you readers, did Matt Rodder's not call it
Speaker 1: when he said I'm expecting death cab postal service. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to say esthetic you are a seer,
Speaker 1: you are I don't want to vision I literally this
Speaker 1: is chaos magic because I didn't. I didn't even like, honestly,
Speaker 1: it hasn't even been top of mind because I'm not
Speaker 1: thinking about like me being right this ship. I'm just
Speaker 1: enjoying it. But I was right, and it literally gave
Speaker 1: the vibes that I said I was going to give.
Speaker 1: And I was texting with friends about it and they
Speaker 1: were like, they screenshot at early texts, being like, how
Speaker 1: did you know when when you said the death cab thing, Like,
Speaker 1: how did you know? I was like, bitch, bitch, I
Speaker 1: feel I'm Taylor. I really do. I sometimes like I
Speaker 1: feel I'm Taylor. I feel that way too about you
Speaker 1: fucking love this song and I literally like it's it's
Speaker 1: just like you think, like in the in this middle
Speaker 1: section of the album, like all right, now, are these
Speaker 1: the ones that are signed up sort of hanging out
Speaker 1: here because they're the ones that like ostensibly like maybe
Speaker 1: we're not loving as much like this it never drops
Speaker 1: for me, like Midnight Rain and then into Question. I
Speaker 1: FU love Question. I think, thank God for this conversation
Speaker 1: because I'm realizing the more we talk about it, the
Speaker 1: more I love it. Because I will say, even after
Speaker 1: day one, I was like, I don't know where to
Speaker 1: place this album in the in the great ranking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um wow. But Midnight right into Question, which is like
Speaker 1: where you turn the damn vinyl around on side B,
Speaker 1: A great little schism, a great break in the progression
Speaker 1: of this album and the story it's trying to tell.
Speaker 1: It's not even it's telling the story I think as
Speaker 1: an album, but I think it's also just like vignettes.
Speaker 1: It's like in a similar way to folklore and everymore,
Speaker 1: like it's just little stories and thematically linked by this thing.
Speaker 1: But it's I think it's a stronger theme than those
Speaker 1: you know what's funny too, Like so when when I
Speaker 1: first heard this album was being announced. I had heard
Speaker 1: this weird random rumor that what was supposed to happen
Speaker 1: this year was that the rerelease was supposed to happen
Speaker 1: this year, and then I think she ran into some
Speaker 1: maybe legal stuff or like something happened with it where
Speaker 1: she pivoted, and then it was gonna be the whatever
Speaker 1: album it was. And then when I heard it was
Speaker 1: Midnights and it was a concept album or was presented
Speaker 1: as a concept album, I almost thought to myself, is
Speaker 1: this going to be songs from the entire span of
Speaker 1: her career that she's going to repurpose and like make
Speaker 1: into like, you know, feel new. I thought maybe it
Speaker 1: was it a concept album that way, like and that
Speaker 1: she was literally reaching back throughout her life. But like
Speaker 1: lo and behold, like I'm so happy that and she
Speaker 1: has said it herself, she has debunked the rumor like
Speaker 1: this is all new work. She has said that. But
Speaker 1: like that I think I'm really happy about because she
Speaker 1: has the like peace of mind and also ability to
Speaker 1: look back on the things that she's gone through and
Speaker 1: like also assessed where she was so that it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like necessarily you know, so it doesn't feel super
Speaker 1: super Taylor in the lyrics. It feels Taylor in the
Speaker 1: lyrics with Taylor energy because she's had the time in
Speaker 1: the space. But still the things that she's singing about
Speaker 1: you can tell still real, still probably keep her up.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like by the by the time
Speaker 1: we get to what it could have shout, I'll have
Speaker 1: more to say about this. But like, there are certain
Speaker 1: things that you don't ever really come to terms with,
Speaker 1: And it feels like there are certain things in her
Speaker 1: life that like pop up and she drops things like
Speaker 1: you know, her age when she is talking about a
Speaker 1: certain thing or you know, easter eggs for Tailor fans,
Speaker 1: that like only we would know that we know exactly
Speaker 1: where to place this in terms of her emotional and
Speaker 1: public life, so that we can sort of have a
Speaker 1: better glimpse in. But I'm really happy that she wrote
Speaker 1: new work about things that she's gone through in her
Speaker 1: life and not like reached back and like it didn't
Speaker 1: feel vaulty, you know what I mean. I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Totally, no shade to the Vault tracks ever,
Speaker 1: never ever, but they're Vault tracks. But they're Vault tracks.
Speaker 1: They were not the front facing works that like she
Speaker 1: like initially released and so like that's its own little narrative. Anyway,
Speaker 1: night Rain. I mean, I really don't know what to
Speaker 1: say other than I love it perfect, I mean question perfect.
Speaker 1: That's just fun. And also the thing about being kissed
Speaker 1: in a crowded room with all your friends, I was like,
Speaker 1: you better go off tailor and explain a situation that
Speaker 1: you and very few people. Now have you ever been
Speaker 1: in a crowded room and someone kisses you and everyone's
Speaker 1: making funny without a clap fifteen seconds later? They're relatable, Queen.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you're saying that is relatable, but okay,
Speaker 1: for me, the only way I related to this, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a little honest zone is like
Speaker 1: it's like I get I get a little embarrassed anytime
Speaker 1: I'm like making out with someone's club and then you're
Speaker 1: you're you went with your friends and they're all going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, who is going with? I know? And
Speaker 1: sometimes they even see you do it and they yell out,
Speaker 1: someone's not discerning, who has done that? You did that
Speaker 1: to me on New Year's Eve, bitch, when New Years
Speaker 1: in Mexico City, I made out with that guy and
Speaker 1: you said someone's not discerning. I didn't say that. I
Speaker 1: could I make that up. I'm so sorry. That's so awful,
Speaker 1: and I'm so sorry, but Bohen, I'm really not that discerning.
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, and I also thought I
Speaker 1: brought it up to you. I have such amnesia about
Speaker 1: this ship. That is so mean. I'm a mean, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit you were being a fun bitch. And also
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme, it didn't really matter, but I
Speaker 1: did remember it, and I did think to myself, like,
Speaker 1: could I could make an issue of this, But I'm
Speaker 1: an issue. Okay, you call no, no, no, that's not
Speaker 1: what I meant. I just meant because I'm certainly not discerning.
Speaker 1: You all know this to be true, and and you
Speaker 1: have been see. That is the difference between you and
Speaker 1: I is anytime I am with someone that who does
Speaker 1: not meet your standard, tell me. You tell me in
Speaker 1: a very clear, thoughtful way, and I might do it
Speaker 1: in a way to you that is just vitriol Taylor,
Speaker 1: and I'm more Taylor in that regard. I'm sorry. You
Speaker 1: don't have to apologize to me, ever, I thought ultimately,
Speaker 1: I okay, well anyway, but okay, so so so then
Speaker 1: the thing that I guess we don't relate to is
Speaker 1: the fifteen seconds later they're all clapping to like what
Speaker 1: what happened in those fifteen seconds? I wonder? I think
Speaker 1: probably that you know, it's that moment of like you
Speaker 1: kissed someone at a party or whatever, and then like
Speaker 1: they go away, and then you turn to your friends
Speaker 1: and they're like what, and then you go, girl, I
Speaker 1: don't know, And in that fifteen seconds, everyone's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, isn't life funny? And then everyone's clapping like this,
Speaker 1: We're all clapping for the situation and the way we'll
Speaker 1: look back on it later and then all can take
Speaker 1: place in fifteen seconds. A beautiful time capsule, a beautiful period.
Speaker 1: Shall we talk about vigilante ship? Yes? And I am
Speaker 1: still on a journey with this one. I like that
Speaker 1: she kind of has like a Billie Eilish song, like
Speaker 1: an FKA Twigs early FKA Twigs type song. I feel
Speaker 1: like this is peaked Taylor in the album period. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To me, this is this is like a reputation track.
Speaker 1: This to me is like more blatantly I can see
Speaker 1: on another album for me, if if there was a
Speaker 1: one that I was on the longest journey with it
Speaker 1: was this one. But then there is some ship here
Speaker 1: that I really really really like. I mean, I like
Speaker 1: like the fucking line about the doing lines like it's
Speaker 1: essentially like she will never take her photoph scooter bronze neck,
Speaker 1: and also and why should she know she she shouldn't.
Speaker 1: And also it sort of connects later to Karma Tube,
Speaker 1: which because because you can tell Scooter is one of
Speaker 1: those things she will never fully let go love it,
Speaker 1: and she probably will make music about this forever no
Speaker 1: matter where she stands on or how she views it.
Speaker 1: It feels like we're always going to get content about
Speaker 1: this because it was a betrayal on a scale that
Speaker 1: needed to be and in a weird way, like she
Speaker 1: made it public explicitly in a way that that truly
Speaker 1: really bothered her. And then to hear her, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about his white collar crimes because he really is
Speaker 1: like a flop. Yeah, I I respect it so much
Speaker 1: from her, because this is someone who values work and
Speaker 1: her art so much that if you come after that,
Speaker 1: she will kill you. Cad I drawn so sharp to
Speaker 1: could kill him. Man, I'm gonna bring in Mandy Moore
Speaker 1: into this conversation because she gives a line reading in
Speaker 1: Tangled that I think is so impactful and I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm thinking about this. I need to hear it.
Speaker 1: It's at the very end when Mother Gothel played by
Speaker 1: the incredible Dona Murphy, it's actually about to kill Eugene.
Speaker 1: She's about to kill Zachary Levi's character, and then Rapunzel
Speaker 1: is begging Mother Gothel to not kill him, and then
Speaker 1: she goes, but if you kill him, then I will
Speaker 1: never stop trying to run away from you. Wow. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Dad, oh my god, I have do you
Speaker 1: really well? Mandy's vocal performance and that was absolutely stunning, stunning,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can we talk everything? Finally feeling that's
Speaker 1: when my voice is so. I've been partying a lot,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to be singing, certainly not belting
Speaker 1: out tunes from Tangled the Heart amount can ever sing
Speaker 1: Sondheim found Dad. But Mandy with that line reminds me
Speaker 1: of m Taylor with Scooter. It's like she will never
Speaker 1: stop coming for this man. Now her foot is on
Speaker 1: his neck forever. We respect the jewels. I love the
Speaker 1: jeweled to me, like the first time I listened to it,
Speaker 1: I was like, Bejeweled really stands out fun, really fun.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's like the closest thing to like
Speaker 1: club bangery that we have on the album. Right, Is
Speaker 1: that fair to say? Yeah, I would throw this one
Speaker 1: back to almost It's very like, you know, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm having fun tonight? Is this the one where she's
Speaker 1: looking by the way I'm going out tonight? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it perfect She's throwing this
Speaker 1: one over her shoulder. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we may have to move faster because
Speaker 1: then we're we're doing doing it, really digging into labyrinth.
Speaker 1: It's giving vibes, it's giving a it's giving taking a breath,
Speaker 1: it's giving that point in the album where we're just like, okay, now,
Speaker 1: let's it's a cool down, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: let's stretch before we kind of do the home stretch.
Speaker 1: I really really really like, oh oh none in yeah,
Speaker 1: m hmmm, Yeah, it's really good. There's just there's a
Speaker 1: lot you know what this gives treacherous in a way.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, wow, the way my sister understands,
Speaker 1: it's so like you self surrender, You surrender to the
Speaker 1: thing that you're already going through. And yeah, I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with that as a concept when Taylor writes about it, well,
Speaker 1: because that emotion is so core and Taylor this thing
Speaker 1: of like being at the precipice of a big emotional
Speaker 1: decision and deciding to take the leap, that is so
Speaker 1: her and so like, it's nice to have a spiritual
Speaker 1: big sister to Treacherous now in this way, because you know,
Speaker 1: in all of these ways we've heard Taylor update herself
Speaker 1: and like call back to herself. But also it's sort
Speaker 1: of that same idea of wherever you go, there you
Speaker 1: are like, she's still that same girl, but now we
Speaker 1: get to hear her express that in such an interesting
Speaker 1: way from Treacherous to Labyrinth. I mean, there's a dissertation there.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're teaching it in that Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: songwriting college course that exists. Can we just do one
Speaker 1: day in that class where we get to lead. I
Speaker 1: would like to go. I would like to go in,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I want to do two days. I want
Speaker 1: to go one day where we go sit in on
Speaker 1: a class, and then the second day where we lecture. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I want to do lecture one day, and then I
Speaker 1: want to literally t a god, what do you call
Speaker 1: it's the class after the lecture? What a coloquium recitation?
Speaker 1: I want to do the lecture, and then I want
Speaker 1: to do the recitation where it's smaller groups and you
Speaker 1: and I, you and I split the class in two
Speaker 1: and we each lead a smaller recitation where we all
Speaker 1: like discuss, like just like a little discussion. I'm sad
Speaker 1: that we're split up. I I think we what what
Speaker 1: do you mean? I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 1: you to be over there teaching with them and me
Speaker 1: over there teaching with them. You're gonna have the funner group.
Speaker 1: I don't think. So. You're the more everyone I wish
Speaker 1: I were. Do you know they won't say that, Yes,
Speaker 1: they will. Yeah, I think I don't think you understand
Speaker 1: that you are. You are the shining Star. Karma is
Speaker 1: the next song on the album, And don't you feel
Speaker 1: that people are gravitating towards this one? Like it feels
Speaker 1: like the energy is with Karma. Do you understand the
Speaker 1: backstory behind this? No? So there is a theory that
Speaker 1: October Taylor Swift six was gonna be um an album
Speaker 1: called Karma. Correct, Oh yes, yes, I did hear about this, Yes,
Speaker 1: And it got tossed because her public image was in
Speaker 1: danger because because of the whole like you know, Kim tape.
Speaker 1: So then they had to scrap most of it, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of the songs kind of got sprinkled
Speaker 1: throughout lover and reputation, maybe even folklore and evermore, but doubtful.
Speaker 1: But Karma was supposed to be the sixth album and
Speaker 1: then yeah, and then they had to like sort of
Speaker 1: push the calendar like because it was just every two
Speaker 1: years in October that was the release window. And in
Speaker 1: some way, releasing this album in October two is like
Speaker 1: her like getting back to that timeline, the original timeline
Speaker 1: and October two, Taylor Swift twelve thousand days old. What
Speaker 1: do you think she knows that? Do you think that's intentional?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it is intentional that it's also
Speaker 1: Kim's birthday. There's a lot of closed loops here, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love it, And with Karma, I feel like it
Speaker 1: is closing the loop on that in a way where
Speaker 1: it is oh God, a song that was meant to
Speaker 1: be on that album, I think because I feel like
Speaker 1: Karma is a little bit of a departure because like
Speaker 1: Karmen is my boyfriends, my boyfriend, Like, here's the god
Speaker 1: I love it, doesn't it feel kind of like it
Speaker 1: kind of stands out a little bit, and even sticking
Speaker 1: out a little bit, you want to know what it's more, um,
Speaker 1: because we've also we we've heard her talk about this
Speaker 1: a little bit in the album already, and and vibe wise,
Speaker 1: it is a little bit more. It is a little
Speaker 1: bit more fun and like more intentionally like you know,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm like, you know, skipping down
Speaker 1: the road when I but just this idea like I
Speaker 1: love what I Love is like the lyric rub against
Speaker 1: the type of song it is because it is like
Speaker 1: a fun pop song that's probably the most straight up
Speaker 1: pop song on the album. I would say maybe until
Speaker 1: we until later when we get to my truly my
Speaker 1: favorite song, which we haven't yet spoken about. But um,
Speaker 1: I feel like to end this song with the idea
Speaker 1: of Karma's a relaxing thought like that she's really letting
Speaker 1: us into the darkness there because she's like, you know what, actually,
Speaker 1: maybe this doesn't make me a good person. And you
Speaker 1: can judge me if you want, but it actually makes
Speaker 1: me feel good to know that Karma will get these people, Like, no,
Speaker 1: these people are not going to get away with this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And here we are sitting
Speaker 1: here this week and Kanye is there's there's no coming back.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, he's he's completely done, and it is
Speaker 1: it's now crossed over whatever line you were waiting at
Speaker 1: to cross, it's crossed. Like not to even give him
Speaker 1: any more space on this, but like I'm sure everyone knows,
Speaker 1: like what he's been saying, the fucking anti Semitics should
Speaker 1: he's been saying, he's a complete maniac and a monster
Speaker 1: and if he needs help, he needs to go get
Speaker 1: it outside of the public guy, because unfortunately people are
Speaker 1: still fucking listening and it's sick and he's bad for
Speaker 1: the world and Karma got him. Period. The closed loop here,
Speaker 1: I think is really apparent. Yeah again, I'll say, just
Speaker 1: on a lot of levels. And there is some chatter
Speaker 1: about how like why is she still singing about her grudges?
Speaker 1: And I think it's just like part of it. I
Speaker 1: think you have to embrace that as part of her
Speaker 1: like musical motif. There's something about her that's a little vindictive.
Speaker 1: And I also think that she she would not hesitate
Speaker 1: to say that. I mean, she's admitting to it here,
Speaker 1: like she says, Karma's are relaxing thought. I am relaxed.
Speaker 1: I am at ease thinking of you, someone who's hurt
Speaker 1: me being in pain. You know what I mean? That is,
Speaker 1: that is vindictive anthem, and that is something that non
Speaker 1: a yone would admit to, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And especially like in this fun, little cute song sonically,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's just it's almost really
Speaker 1: interesting that that thought, which is really deep dark thought,
Speaker 1: comes in this like song. She's like Scoo's in her
Speaker 1: head voice. You know what I mean. I just love it.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's way more interesting than you think. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: next song, Sweet Nothing, I'm obsessed. It's the closest aesthetic
Speaker 1: match to like the promo materials of this album leading
Speaker 1: up to seventies folcusing a songwriter Judy Still, you know,
Speaker 1: Carol King, like Lauren Eiro, that kind of thing. It's
Speaker 1: so sweet. It's just it's beautiful, and I mean Mr
Speaker 1: William Bowery appears on this one. Yes, yes, And if
Speaker 1: that's him playing the piano, you better go off that
Speaker 1: that he's electric keyboard you very yeah, um oh the
Speaker 1: electric keyboard. Yes, whatever, that's what I meant. Whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, totally totally. I wasn't correcting. Um, it was no, no, no,
Speaker 1: sweet nothing. And then this is just can't fire give.
Speaker 1: It's giving, it's giving. We're writing this song and we're
Speaker 1: having fun and we had a great time writing it,
Speaker 1: and it's sweet and it's just like a nice, little,
Speaker 1: sweet little offering. I just love it. I'm I love
Speaker 1: sweet nothing. It's a it's very um New Year's Day
Speaker 1: without like the circumstance around it. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like a mundane beauty. It's not like
Speaker 1: it's not it's not even like the morning after a party.
Speaker 1: It's just this is our everyday life. And I also
Speaker 1: love that it's so clearly like a collaboration between them
Speaker 1: that then leads into Mastermind, which is about like the
Speaker 1: totality of the courtship. Yeah, what a great closure the
Speaker 1: way that it goes into Mastermind, just like and also
Speaker 1: how plainly it ends like it just like and now
Speaker 1: your mind, Like I just I think, Yeah, it's that
Speaker 1: thing of like when you see someone or you feel
Speaker 1: like that pulled towards someone, and like you know, she's
Speaker 1: saying like yeah, I say, I'm calculated, but guess what,
Speaker 1: Like it actually got me quite the prize at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Someone I've been with for like
Speaker 1: six years out at this point. And like the fact
Speaker 1: that she she sounds relaxed on this track, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's like the track drives, but
Speaker 1: she sounds like vocally she sounds very happy and relaxed.
Speaker 1: And I also want to compliment her vocals on on
Speaker 1: on this album, she's really really really lived in And
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone, my friend Darren, who said
Speaker 1: he was he was missing some big vocal moments. But
Speaker 1: for me, it's like the intention here, like especially like
Speaker 1: um at the end of Anti Hero when she lets
Speaker 1: it get really like ugly sounding, And I mean that,
Speaker 1: and I mean that in like a in a complimentary way,
Speaker 1: but like to me, there's so many colors to her
Speaker 1: voice in this album, just as a lyricist and as
Speaker 1: a vocalist, I think this is a peak. I think
Speaker 1: she understands that her vocal singularity is that it's sharp.
Speaker 1: She's a sharp voice as in not like it cuts through,
Speaker 1: like not the accidentals it cuts through. And she doesn't
Speaker 1: need to belt in order to make the impact. You know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't need to do like the big vocal turns
Speaker 1: in order to like get you to pay attention. You're
Speaker 1: paying attention because she is like making a choice that
Speaker 1: doesn't really go big on the sort of melody necessarily
Speaker 1: even though she is this like incredible songwriter. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say with like elaborate, it's like, um, she goes
Speaker 1: like she's singing in the head boys, and then oh,
Speaker 1: I felt like she she knows what she's yeah, like
Speaker 1: leveraging in each thing. She's very accurate and resonant and
Speaker 1: evocative in that way like she she and I think
Speaker 1: that probably also does come with her being the songwriter,
Speaker 1: is like she knows exactly where her voice is going
Speaker 1: to fit into the structure of what she's doing to
Speaker 1: make people feel a certain way. And also she she
Speaker 1: knows where to place things totally, even calling back to
Speaker 1: Anti Hera with the tell Us all this time, like
Speaker 1: just like the atmosphere that that gives that in the
Speaker 1: place in her voice that she uses she's really good
Speaker 1: at creating atmosphere with her voice. That's what the whole
Speaker 1: album is. That is a compliment I would give this
Speaker 1: entire album is that it feels like, you know, there
Speaker 1: is actually a real range there because it's almost like
Speaker 1: two or three different people, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like when she's down here, it feels like one thing,
Speaker 1: and then that it feels like another person, like and
Speaker 1: it's almost just like oftentimes in the same song, and
Speaker 1: especially in Anti Hero as well, you hear these different
Speaker 1: people saying these different things. It's like, that's what makes
Speaker 1: it interesting. Yeah, while we're talking about this, and as
Speaker 1: we're ending the thirteen tracks, there's a lot being made
Speaker 1: about how people can't tell the songs apart from each other,
Speaker 1: how they all sort of blend together, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that is also intentional. That is also like she's
Speaker 1: creating like the closest thing to ambient music that she's
Speaker 1: done folklon never more. I feel like maybe, but I
Speaker 1: think those are supposed to be differentiated projects and each
Speaker 1: song has its own sound. With men Nights, I feel
Speaker 1: like she is going after something a patchwork of different
Speaker 1: midnights in her life, as we know, and how there
Speaker 1: should be some sonic threat kind of ties them all together,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean I think that's a very
Speaker 1: easy thing to say about something that has a high expectator,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when when you turn something
Speaker 1: on initially and you're like, oh, these sound the same,
Speaker 1: or like this is this is more vibe, which I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were sort of saying, and
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, of course it is a viby album,
Speaker 1: but I I hear a little bit of like an
Speaker 1: insult in that. To be honest with you, I can't
Speaker 1: explain why. Um almost like she caved into doing what
Speaker 1: all the girls are doing, which is like vibe music,
Speaker 1: which if you really listen to this, like yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: she is, maybe it's a viby album, but there's like
Speaker 1: tons of peaks and valleys here. It's not you know
Speaker 1: that sameness is not is not negative against that. But
Speaker 1: my thing is like when you were listening to something
Speaker 1: like right away and it's that event diese type album
Speaker 1: and you need a pull, I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: a very easy things and like we're not giving this
Speaker 1: enough space because it's of the biggest album of the
Speaker 1: year obviously, Like whenever she releases an album it is
Speaker 1: or it's up there at least in the top three
Speaker 1: of this year, and I feel like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just that's a little knee jerk for me, that that comment,
Speaker 1: And I hope we've matured as like listeners in the
Speaker 1: streaming era. I was telling all of us, like everybody, um,
Speaker 1: because I think like we all sort of understood like
Speaker 1: with the other biggest album of the year, Renaissance, it's
Speaker 1: like this is this is dense, this is amazing. Let's
Speaker 1: like really sink our teeth into us. Yea. I was
Speaker 1: kind of soothed by the fact that there people were
Speaker 1: not like jumping to a conclusion with Renaissance necessarily like
Speaker 1: it was obviously well. I did hear that a lot,
Speaker 1: though I did hear a lot of people being like
Speaker 1: I wish I felt like, you know, the song's um
Speaker 1: jumped out in different ways, like it wasn't just a
Speaker 1: piece of collective work, which I actually think it's actually
Speaker 1: strong in both regards, like you can turn that on
Speaker 1: at the club and let it play and have a
Speaker 1: great fucking night, but also like there and those skips,
Speaker 1: but also those songs are all extremely cherry pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're each chair the ones that you want in the mood,
Speaker 1: which is happening now you see people starting to like,
Speaker 1: now that renaissance has been out for it's like people
Speaker 1: are you know, there's there are tracks that people like,
Speaker 1: like it's people are saying that less now that they've
Speaker 1: had time to marinate, and and so I would say,
Speaker 1: let's afford Taylor the same thing. I just think maybe
Speaker 1: that is like the shift in the listening habit for
Speaker 1: everybody and at least our generation where it's like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be the thing with all big albums going forward.
Speaker 1: Is that like we're gonna have the poll first and
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be a grower or it's not, and
Speaker 1: then that's it's, it's whatever, it's it's sort of part
Speaker 1: of it. Let's do the three M. So three AM
Speaker 1: rolls around Eastern Standard time. Where you did you say
Speaker 1: for it? I woke up the next day to your
Speaker 1: Instagram story of a song called Paris and I go
Speaker 1: this and I immediately immediately listened to Paris um saw
Speaker 1: Dear Reader and my blood went cold. He has a track.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, And again, we're not saying that,
Speaker 1: like we wouldn't dare say that it's not it's not
Speaker 1: a reference to us, but wow, what a thing to
Speaker 1: wake up too for me, that's all. What a gift
Speaker 1: for the readers and all of us like that. There's
Speaker 1: a song called Dear Reader on an album that very
Speaker 1: much explores the dichotomy of Taylor and Taylor literally is
Speaker 1: all over this culture, is all over this album. She's
Speaker 1: coming on. Taylor's coming on. She wants to do the pod. Taylor,
Speaker 1: please come on the pod. We will give you the
Speaker 1: best interview. Zane Low will fucking shake in his boots
Speaker 1: after he listens to this interview that you, me and
Speaker 1: Matt will have. I mean, this is an open invitation
Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift to get on the podcast Last Cultures. Let'
Speaker 1: just say two accepted two awards at the Lost Culturesta's
Speaker 1: Culture Awards. Did not have to send in videos. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for doing that, Taylor Swift. We will
Speaker 1: never thank you enough. That's a real fucking legacy to leave.
Speaker 1: That's a real fucking legacy. Anyway, Um, okay, the Great
Speaker 1: War enter Mr Desner, Enter, Mr Desner. I love. I
Speaker 1: was a little bummed at first when I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no Destner on this album Great War Lovely sort
Speaker 1: of because he is on this track right, he's the
Speaker 1: most three. What I mean to say is like if
Speaker 1: we thought we were getting one of him. I remember
Speaker 1: I was with Jared and he opened his phone and
Speaker 1: immediately to the song credits and he we saw Aaron
Speaker 1: Desner and we were like yes, we were like, okay,
Speaker 1: So she was just holding this back a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we are still collaborating with our new pal. Yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: great War, wonderful, Um. A lot of historical allegory here.
Speaker 1: We love it. She likes her history. She's a history buff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she'll be telling you, oh my, what a mother whistle
Speaker 1: um and dynasty like she she knows to like intentionally
Speaker 1: dip her toe into like quote unquote for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, Americana, a p U S history, a
Speaker 1: p U S history. You know, she got a five.
Speaker 1: I would imagine um bigger than the whole sky. This
Speaker 1: is a sweet, little, sad little song. And I people
Speaker 1: are sort of speculating that it may be about a miscarriage,
Speaker 1: that it may be about some sort of loss of
Speaker 1: some kind, not necessarily her own. But of course we
Speaker 1: see lately Taylor has been exploring the concept and really
Speaker 1: it's been for longer than people think or say, but
Speaker 1: definitely more vividly lately of writing from the perspective of others.
Speaker 1: Um and I think this possibly could be that. But
Speaker 1: what a lovely song. I mean, it really is just
Speaker 1: so sweet, Sam Sanders and Powers we're talking about something
Speaker 1: else on this episode of Into It where Sam quotes
Speaker 1: Taylor and Mrs Americana and is like, Taylor says this
Speaker 1: amazing thing or she like references this this, this, this
Speaker 1: thing and about fame, which is that like you are
Speaker 1: frozen as a woman, especially you're you're frozen at the
Speaker 1: age that you were famous, that you become famous in right,
Speaker 1: And And Sam is like, is that why like people
Speaker 1: still sort of like talk about Taylor and think about
Speaker 1: Taylor as this teenage girl. Is this why people are
Speaker 1: having trouble moved like growing up with her or think
Speaker 1: or like understanding her to be a woman, you know,
Speaker 1: like a like an adult person. Um And then and
Speaker 1: Powers goes, I think it's because she has not had
Speaker 1: a child. The childless woman in America or in the
Speaker 1: world is something that is uncomfortable for people. They don't
Speaker 1: know what to make of a woman who does not
Speaker 1: have a child, and so therefore she's even more locked
Speaker 1: into teenage self hood to other people, like the persona
Speaker 1: is sort of like snagged in that for better or worse.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, this might be a little more
Speaker 1: bit to tie into BIGG than the whole guy if
Speaker 1: it is about in miscarriage, even if it's not her own.
Speaker 1: But like I think she understands how that feeds into
Speaker 1: the meaning of her now. I think that's really interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean tossing all the way back to Rohnan like
Speaker 1: she's she's a great actress in her music. I mean,
Speaker 1: like she really she really is. And this to me
Speaker 1: like it might be a spiritual sister to that. I
Speaker 1: mean in that it does feel like it's about something
Speaker 1: heavy and specific and that that that's like something like
Speaker 1: on the other side of the fence that you know
Speaker 1: not to ask about. But the song is evocative and
Speaker 1: I think could match up with anything, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like when I first listened to it, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is about a loss of a relationship,
Speaker 1: and then I feel like, no, I think it's it
Speaker 1: might even be like Ray Shocky and like, you know,
Speaker 1: this could be whatever. Obviously it might be something to her,
Speaker 1: but I wonder if she'll ever comments on what this
Speaker 1: is about. I would like to hear it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if she wants to keep it private then and the
Speaker 1: fact that it's at three, I am track, you know, like,
Speaker 1: where is this existing in the file cabinets of her mind?
Speaker 1: Totally okay, talk about Paris because I need to maybe
Speaker 1: get on board with Paris because it's it's the one
Speaker 1: that I glossed over. I don't know why you're kidding me.
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to tell everyone I'm now
Speaker 1: on TikTok and I was eventually able to figure out
Speaker 1: my TikTok so but when I did alive last week
Speaker 1: where I couldn't figure out how to make my TikTok
Speaker 1: videos public, which is very Matt Rogers, very calling back
Speaker 1: to when I thought my computer didn't make PDFs because
Speaker 1: you had because I thought I had a porn virus
Speaker 1: that made my computer unable to make PDFs. And I
Speaker 1: was sort of experiencing that narrative the other day when
Speaker 1: I couldn't get my tiktoks to go public, and I
Speaker 1: was frustrated because I thought I was actually kind of slaying.
Speaker 1: So the more I'm on TikTok, the more I sort
Speaker 1: of realized, like, oh, this might not be good for me,
Speaker 1: because I think it's eventually going to reveal who I am,
Speaker 1: which is sort of like a basic little boy who
Speaker 1: loves Taylor Swift. So I hear the song Paris, I
Speaker 1: absolutely lose my fucking mind. I couldn't believe the rhyme
Speaker 1: scheme of Paris and somewhere else. I loved that. Like
Speaker 1: some people are taking issue with that, I think those
Speaker 1: people should go to jail. I am so obsessed with
Speaker 1: this song that I got on my TikTok and Bowen,
Speaker 1: I did a humorless basic ass TikTok to Paris like
Speaker 1: I was a gen z Ere. The comments are so funny.
Speaker 1: The comments are like millennial jumped out, like okay, the
Speaker 1: millennial Taylor. One person comments on my thing, I need
Speaker 1: to see less white t fags on my on my
Speaker 1: on my timeline, and I literally I almost respired. I
Speaker 1: agree because I was so sick watching this TikTok that
Speaker 1: I created. But the earnestness I felt it was because
Speaker 1: of what this song did to me. I unapologetically keep
Speaker 1: that TikTok up and also my transitions are fucking good,
Speaker 1: so get get into it. This song has taken me
Speaker 1: like out of who I am and brought me somewhere else.
Speaker 1: The first verse it's so chaotic to me in the
Speaker 1: best way and just the the way that it's so verbose,
Speaker 1: and then the chorus just drops you on the song
Speaker 1: like we're in Paris, like unless you sit and like
Speaker 1: be in that new atmosphere. I'm like, come on, this
Speaker 1: is a evocative pop song. This is what I love.
Speaker 1: This is an emotional, evocative pop song. It is kind
Speaker 1: of giving me Carly Ray in a in a way,
Speaker 1: in a way like it's given me light, romantic, fun,
Speaker 1: effervescent I would I would say, is the word, um,
Speaker 1: I just I absolutely love it to me, like, this
Speaker 1: is the song I keep listening to for me, It's
Speaker 1: it's the super base of the album. It is that
Speaker 1: bonus track that pops it is it is that that
Speaker 1: girl on the back half that was revealed later that
Speaker 1: we will remember this one and what a could have shot,
Speaker 1: which we'll get to. But you gotta get on board
Speaker 1: with Paris Bone because it's also an opportunity for us
Speaker 1: to be really stupid singing it. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: before you you even said that part, before you invited
Speaker 1: me in, I was like, I'm sold. You've never assused.
Speaker 1: You said super base of the album, I said it,
Speaker 1: and that was the beginning of our friend Chap And
Speaker 1: when have you ever led me wrong? I love this song.
Speaker 1: I am obsessed and I don't want this song to
Speaker 1: get lost because again, like I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: And I've been posting this song a lot and people
Speaker 1: are being like, my favorite, yes, and we need this song,
Speaker 1: And I was like, what puts this? I guess the
Speaker 1: three I AM distinction, like whatever this was for her
Speaker 1: that made it a three AM song. But I was like,
Speaker 1: this because it's big, because it's big grand, and I
Speaker 1: feel like there was too big for the first thirteen.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like there was a choice to
Speaker 1: kind of subdue the core album, which I respect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got that. I got that, and I respect that.
Speaker 1: This is this is sweeping, This is like whoa this
Speaker 1: is you know what, it's giving state of grace. It's
Speaker 1: like expansive in the way that it is, like it's up,
Speaker 1: it's down, it's out. It's like you saying that it
Speaker 1: takes you there. We were in Paris and you're there.
Speaker 1: I believe that I see it. This is it's very
Speaker 1: like New Romantics, which by the way, came on the
Speaker 1: other day. I said, God damn, this is a good song,
Speaker 1: a song and a half. She's a great actress in
Speaker 1: that song. She's a great actress in that like it's
Speaker 1: it's poker. He can't see it in my face, but
Speaker 1: I'm about to play my ace, like, whoa, what did
Speaker 1: you do there? Why did you do that to me?
Speaker 1: And that's what I love about Paris, Like Paris this
Speaker 1: first verse, yeah, your ex friends sister. I just love it.
Speaker 1: And the outfits were terrible. I loved it. I was like,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's giving sondheime in that the notes
Speaker 1: are the emotion. Everybody laughed. It had to be sad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it had to be sad. And I'm saying, Paris revolution,
Speaker 1: friend revolution, That's how I feel about Paris. Wow, it
Speaker 1: is actually you know, it is giving son died. I
Speaker 1: said it, and I'll still say it. It is very
Speaker 1: like it's not the same song obviously, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: on their own behalf, it's very a lane stretch. It's
Speaker 1: very okay, high in fidelity, love love love this one.
Speaker 1: Destner is back and also just again, like it's it's weird,
Speaker 1: like what would preoccupy her about this, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's just again. I feel like this takes place outside
Speaker 1: of herself as well, Yes yes, yes, yes, which I
Speaker 1: love and makes it fun for a Destiner track too,
Speaker 1: because it's like that's it feels like that's where she
Speaker 1: really started exploring that, like writing from the perspectives of others,
Speaker 1: Like this feels like that to be honest, totally, Um,
Speaker 1: I am big, big, big into glitch. You have been
Speaker 1: a glitch, stand that's been a glitch, But it's this
Speaker 1: is maybe since like and I might be wrong on this,
Speaker 1: but I feel like since sad, beautiful, tragic her most
Speaker 1: textured vocal, you can hear the years on her in
Speaker 1: a way that I love. Yeah, and also like you
Speaker 1: can hear her like working things out, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's like like the way this doesn't
Speaker 1: really make sense for me, like emotionally, why is this happening?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it's and it's just
Speaker 1: this to me, I feel like maybe you could have
Speaker 1: been on the regular album. I agree, but I understand
Speaker 1: why it's here because it's it's a complicated lyrical emotion,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like it belongs on the three.
Speaker 1: I am in that way absolutely, And like the guitar,
Speaker 1: there's something really bold about the production on that, where
Speaker 1: like the guitar is getting like dialed, it's being wiggled.
Speaker 1: It's literally like it's it's not even like a vibrato
Speaker 1: or anything. It's but there's something really anyvative about it.
Speaker 1: Like if you really listen to the soundscape of this,
Speaker 1: like it's really really cool. It's experimental and doesn't really
Speaker 1: make sense but works. Yeah, totally, um okay what it
Speaker 1: could have shout up, let's talk about this is a moment.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, I damn sure would it never
Speaker 1: dance with? When I heard that, I was like, how
Speaker 1: dare she like that hook? The pain? I love it?
Speaker 1: It really just it all pays off in the end,
Speaker 1: the way the way it just built and built and
Speaker 1: builds and builds, and you're like, damn ye, chrisms I
Speaker 1: used to be honestly, And then when she takes it
Speaker 1: up at the end into her her big register her,
Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, one of the great tailorisms
Speaker 1: on this album that's like a timeless one. Is I
Speaker 1: regrat you all that you all the time? First of all,
Speaker 1: let's just say, let's call U Spacebay. This is about
Speaker 1: John Mayor. This is about whatever trauma she experienced. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is about however that formative relationship, whether it was
Speaker 1: romantic sexual however. I mean, you can read Jessica Simpsons book.
Speaker 1: She talks about the way this man works in detail.
Speaker 1: You can listen to Dear John. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: something that happened here at her age that didn't jibe,
Speaker 1: which she I think still looks back on and it
Speaker 1: is like, fuck, why did I let that person funk
Speaker 1: with me like that? Because it messed me up? Like
Speaker 1: and and also not for nothing. But when I say
Speaker 1: it's like all too well, it's because that song and
Speaker 1: its bigness about Jake and the way that she had
Speaker 1: to return to it because of how big that relationship looms,
Speaker 1: how large it looms in her life, and how emotionally
Speaker 1: it's such a marker for her that she came out
Speaker 1: with it and like ten minute ized it and like
Speaker 1: gave it its moment. This song can't help but get
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger as it goes, and I
Speaker 1: think it might be the best song in this work,
Speaker 1: Like Anti Hero is incredible. It makes sense for the album.
Speaker 1: It is the single. It is the thesis statement what
Speaker 1: it could have should have. This is like this would
Speaker 1: exist on any album that she put out. This is
Speaker 1: just like Capital t Capital asked Taylor Swift in this
Speaker 1: album that stands on its own island, and I I
Speaker 1: am thrilled that we got it. And the melodies the
Speaker 1: core of the hooks. The song is made of hooks again,
Speaker 1: like her voice is the ranges. There just might be
Speaker 1: her rangingest song. It drives. By the end of it,
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I mean the thoughts she leaves you with,
Speaker 1: like this is a song. This is a song. It's
Speaker 1: the longest song on the album, yep. And it moves
Speaker 1: in spite of that like it's um, you're right, like
Speaker 1: I didn't think long enough about the John Mayory of
Speaker 1: it all. And the reason it builds and it's fully
Speaker 1: like unleashed, un bridled by the end is because it's
Speaker 1: like she has been sitting on this. She's not like
Speaker 1: really exercised it from her her mind in the in
Speaker 1: like the thirteen years since it's happened. Oh my god, yep,
Speaker 1: thirteen You know, I alright, just being personal. I dated
Speaker 1: an older guy when I was nineteen, and it was
Speaker 1: a formative relationship from me in positive and negative ways,
Speaker 1: and I still talk about it in therapy, like and
Speaker 1: when when someone gets you at that age, it's like
Speaker 1: there's a before and and after. She says, I miss
Speaker 1: who I used to be. It's that person that thought
Speaker 1: like love and sex and romance all meant one thing.
Speaker 1: And then you have a relationship where you realize like
Speaker 1: there's so many layers to all of that, and I
Speaker 1: wish you would have kept me wondering, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, fuck, I hate that you are going
Speaker 1: to be the person that is existing in my mind's
Speaker 1: eye from now on forever when I think about who
Speaker 1: I used to be and who I am regarding love
Speaker 1: something that I fixated on and really care about and
Speaker 1: want so badly, And now I've achieved, but I still
Speaker 1: have you in my head. He still has real estate
Speaker 1: in her mind. In a song that can't help but
Speaker 1: be bigger than it even should be on this album
Speaker 1: give Me Back My Girlhood of his mind first, like
Speaker 1: it is that kind of says it all for you
Speaker 1: and and if and if you can relate to it
Speaker 1: in that way, I mean this, this one, this one
Speaker 1: means a lot to me, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: like because you know, like and readers know, if you've
Speaker 1: had that relationship where you gave the power up, you
Speaker 1: understand like what it is and how you know that person,
Speaker 1: like the person that delivers the first you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they will always be there and not for
Speaker 1: not it's not for everyone that that results in happy
Speaker 1: feelings or and it always results in at least complicated feelings.
Speaker 1: And her still mulling over this, and she's like, the
Speaker 1: pain was heaven. There's a compromise here because she understands that,
Speaker 1: like it was enjoyable because it was the first and
Speaker 1: it was this thing that like created the blueprint for
Speaker 1: everything else going forward. Yeah, um, I keep talking about
Speaker 1: this and powers interview with Sam Sanders, but it's it's
Speaker 1: so you have to listen to it. Everyone should like it.
Speaker 1: But she says, and this is where I disagree with her,
Speaker 1: And Paris says that Taylor Swift is a super ego
Speaker 1: of an artist, right like like her whole her work
Speaker 1: is super ego. Her work is so okay between the
Speaker 1: the ego and the super ego, like the it is
Speaker 1: like all like the impulses. So it's what happens when
Speaker 1: you have knee ruk reactions. Yes, yes, your super ego
Speaker 1: is like the person who's trying to corral it all
Speaker 1: into morality, and the ego is the one that like
Speaker 1: is compromising, is going well, maybe there's a way to
Speaker 1: have both impulses and the sort of inner morals that
Speaker 1: you set with yourself trying to organize it, maybe even
Speaker 1: for other people to totally. I think early on in
Speaker 1: her career, up until I would say reputation, Taylor, Taylor
Speaker 1: was all about. It was all about impulses, um conflict,
Speaker 1: her interests superseding anyone else's. And I think with folklore
Speaker 1: and evermore, that's when like the ego came in and
Speaker 1: was like I have I can take some accountability for
Speaker 1: my own stuff, you know, or even maybe lover. But
Speaker 1: I think on what it could have showed it. It
Speaker 1: is like so for it to be so passionate and
Speaker 1: big and yet still like unsure of itself. I think
Speaker 1: she she used to be an id artist first and
Speaker 1: now I think she is ego. Now I think she's
Speaker 1: someone who's like, m I need to refile, I need
Speaker 1: to resort all of this stuff in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, there's also this genuine feeling I get
Speaker 1: when I listened to what which is I'm piste off.
Speaker 1: I even had to write this sign, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I regret you all the time, Like
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, like you really
Speaker 1: took me for a ride, and I wish I hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten on it. But like this song will be what
Speaker 1: I I'm left with and I'm leaving everyone with and
Speaker 1: honestly like and not to not to be like cheering
Speaker 1: on her, you know, toxic relationship at nineteen with this man,
Speaker 1: But like I'm happy and happy forget this song. We
Speaker 1: all hope, we all hope every person that's a creator
Speaker 1: hopes that they can take what they've been through like
Speaker 1: this and externalize it in a way that helps not
Speaker 1: only them but everyone else. And and and like I
Speaker 1: hope that she feels helped by writing this, Like I
Speaker 1: hope that it gives her some closure to be able
Speaker 1: to get this out because the dear John of it all,
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, she was externalizing, but that's is
Speaker 1: also in because a little bit of that song is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this guy. I'm gonna call it Dear John,
Speaker 1: And I almost feel like there might even be a
Speaker 1: little bit of self consciousness and embarrassment about how bald
Speaker 1: that is. And now she's looking back and she's saying, like,
Speaker 1: you made me feel and look stupid in so many ways,
Speaker 1: even though Dear John is an incredible so you you
Speaker 1: humiliated me the fact that I had to go where
Speaker 1: it is. And also, let's face it, the entire thing
Speaker 1: with Katie was really about John. Like that fucked Taylor
Speaker 1: up to the point where it was like it spun
Speaker 1: off into all different types of directions. But that's, you know,
Speaker 1: not not to say he caused her trauma, but that's
Speaker 1: what formative relationships do, you know what I mean? They
Speaker 1: spin you out, they change you for a few years,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's very real, and
Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that, like, let's just
Speaker 1: keep it to John, like a confessional musician, singer, songwriter
Speaker 1: who was very famous and so of horse. She's going
Speaker 1: to spend the next thirteen years or however long playing
Speaker 1: all this out publicly putting it in her songwriting, like
Speaker 1: making some of her persona, which she is acutely aware
Speaker 1: of the entire time she's working centering that persona on
Speaker 1: this kind of wrong illness. It all makes sense. And
Speaker 1: if you're one of those people who is not a
Speaker 1: swift ee or as someone who is like a little
Speaker 1: tired of like the rehashing, like I think, I think
Speaker 1: it is just the human artistic way to do this
Speaker 1: is for her to process this. Does that make sense
Speaker 1: because because again, like you're not going to get clarity
Speaker 1: on this type of thing soon afterwards, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like what she was able to put out was Dear John,
Speaker 1: which was basically telling on him and letting people know
Speaker 1: she was hurt. But this is years later, and this
Speaker 1: is the song she's released, and it's clear that it
Speaker 1: still sucks her up, because that is how powerful that
Speaker 1: relation and chip is in your life a moment a moment.
Speaker 1: And then I love that it's the second and last
Speaker 1: track because she takes a breath and then gives us,
Speaker 1: dear reader, here's what I've learned. Here's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Whether or not she's going back and telling herself in
Speaker 1: the past, or she's letting people know for the future.
Speaker 1: This is what I've learned. These are my notes, like
Speaker 1: and the dear reader of it all, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: she it's a love letter to us and to herself.
Speaker 1: It is, Yes, it is, it is, it is. We
Speaker 1: can't make too much of this except that it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful song, wonderful closer. Never take advice from someone who's
Speaker 1: falling apart. Wow, Like what a great pithy line or
Speaker 1: not pithy, but it's like, it's it's pretty, it's saying
Speaker 1: a lot. That sentence is saying so much. And that's Taylor,
Speaker 1: that's Ali. That is out Okay are people I hope?
Speaker 1: I hope. I'm not like stabbing in the dark with this.
Speaker 1: Like I think Allison is a new persona is or
Speaker 1: just a new identity through which we can understand. Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift is this person who is finally like marrying Taylor
Speaker 1: and Taylor together to become Taylor Allison Swift. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go, Alison, Ali, Ali a l I an album
Speaker 1: and a half literally truly, I love Midnights. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be in the Midnight's era. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing in terms of where I'm ranking and the
Speaker 1: grander scheme, but it's it's close to number one for me,
Speaker 1: I mean just because of the way I feel like
Speaker 1: it improves lyrically on the albums of hers that I love,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I think, I think
Speaker 1: if if reputation is my favorite vibe that she has
Speaker 1: out there, like this is reputation but with incredible like
Speaker 1: folklore evermore type lyrics where she actually became, you know,
Speaker 1: the realized version of who she is as a songwriter.
Speaker 1: And she was always brilliant because she was always really,
Speaker 1: really really good at expressing. And so now you see,
Speaker 1: like it's self expression and also self assessment in a
Speaker 1: way that works as pop music and vibes, and it's
Speaker 1: a funk album period period. Maybe it's time to move
Speaker 1: on to I don't think so, honey, It's time to
Speaker 1: move on to I don't think so, honey. I don't
Speaker 1: think we can say much more than all of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we have, we've enjoyed, we've licked it,
Speaker 1: snorted it, fucked it, resuscitated it brought it back to life,
Speaker 1: and we're being buried with it. This is I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, it's where we take one minute to
Speaker 1: real against something in culture that's pissing us the funk
Speaker 1: off and something is and it's it's totally separate from Taylor.
Speaker 1: I just have to say it, Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, in the mid term era. The amount
Speaker 1: of emails that we get from these democratic politicians and
Speaker 1: these organizations. I'm sorry that the other day I received
Speaker 1: in one period, twelve emails from Val Demmings. I have
Speaker 1: to tell you something. You need to cool it. This
Speaker 1: can't possibly help, like to bother someone so so so
Speaker 1: so so much, and also state literally every single subject
Speaker 1: and it's like we're in trouble. We need help. Never
Speaker 1: felt this bad. It's going badly, Matt. Like it's all
Speaker 1: in all lower case, like there Ariana Grande albums. It's
Speaker 1: like our songs. I'm just like Val. I actually had
Speaker 1: to unsubscribe, and I did donate because I thought maybe
Speaker 1: if I donate, it will like no, no, not attacked
Speaker 1: me as much. It's still came. And it's everyone across
Speaker 1: the board, the amount of desperation and how they're asking
Speaker 1: for money, is not helping. It's making me really scared.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, And that's one minute. Um No,
Speaker 1: there's there's no such thing as like feeling good about
Speaker 1: I would say politicians, not even like I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say politics because obviously, but like, let me,
Speaker 1: let's just say that, like thinking of politician is cool,
Speaker 1: is like so dangerous that it's the reason why we're
Speaker 1: in this fucking nightmare now anyway, like some sort of congressman.
Speaker 1: You know what, I love it. I love that she
Speaker 1: did that. I just the energy from these people is
Speaker 1: so panicked and frenetic that it just it really, my
Speaker 1: anxiety is through the roof, and I'm like, it's not
Speaker 1: even Yeah, It's like it's like when you do like
Speaker 1: a donation, Let's say you donate to a local candidate
Speaker 1: in your distruct you get emails from fucking like Warnock
Speaker 1: in Georgia. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's from politicians who, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure need your donations. But it's crazy that I keep
Speaker 1: getting Yeah that we all just keep from from every
Speaker 1: corner of the country. It's like you're being and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, where where did I sign up for this? One,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Of course I want to
Speaker 1: support and celebrate like everyone that's trying to take these
Speaker 1: Republicans down, like I needed to happen. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: just like I wish the energy if we could find
Speaker 1: a way to make it seem already like a defeat.
Speaker 1: I only ever get emails that are like it's going
Speaker 1: really bad, and and then I I genuinely wonder if
Speaker 1: that works on people, because because it got me to unsubscribe.
Speaker 1: I donated, but I unsubscribed, And is that what they wanted?
Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna happen when you send
Speaker 1: me eleven I swear to God, eleven emails in one day.
Speaker 1: I can't even see what's going on in my own life.
Speaker 1: Every Like, literally, I'm missing things because the amount of
Speaker 1: political donation emails I get are out of control. Now
Speaker 1: we have Bowen Yangs, I don't think so honey. Are
Speaker 1: you're ready girl, girl? I think I'm ready. This is
Speaker 1: Bowen Yanks. I don't think so honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Us all moving on from
Speaker 1: Charlie the self titled album by Charlie Pooth, I feel
Speaker 1: like we have not as a listenership really admired, appreciated
Speaker 1: this wonderful album, A tightly written and produced album from
Speaker 1: a great talent that we cannot yet take for granted.
Speaker 1: And Charlie Pooth, this man has earned our attention. I
Speaker 1: mean it, He's written some of your favorite songs. You
Speaker 1: need to give this the time. I'm talking to even
Speaker 1: my sister Matt Rodgers, who has not really given this
Speaker 1: guy a chance on his new album. It's but really
Speaker 1: give the songs to listen. Um, well, I haven't listened
Speaker 1: to the album yet. I listened to Midnights and Charlie
Speaker 1: in the same day on the same flight, and both
Speaker 1: were wonderful experiences. There is a place to let those
Speaker 1: things co exist. You don't have to only listen to
Speaker 1: Midnights this week. You don't have to only listen to
Speaker 1: your favorite arts. You can't expand outwardly if you want
Speaker 1: to listen to Charlie And that's one minute, and that's
Speaker 1: a great advertisement for him. And honestly, here's the thing
Speaker 1: about Charlie Pooth. With me, I always am so excited
Speaker 1: to listen to what he's doing. And actually on TikTok
Speaker 1: and like on Instagram, where he like makes his songs.
Speaker 1: I think he's truly brilliant. I guess I'm just really
Speaker 1: still waiting to hear like the song from him that
Speaker 1: I really connect with, really you haven't found it yet,
Speaker 1: not really, I mean, like it's but also I appreciate
Speaker 1: who he is as an artist because there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of natural like anxiety and like almost like a
Speaker 1: d D energy and what he does that I think
Speaker 1: really matches him as like a character, and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And I I have enjoyed tons of songs
Speaker 1: that he's written for other people, I mean, but with him,
Speaker 1: it's just like and I understand he's so great. I'm
Speaker 1: just waiting to stand. I'm really waiting to stand. But
Speaker 1: after I listen to this album, I will let you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm open to it. You're waiting to stand, You're
Speaker 1: not You're not engaging with the material. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like in the years that he's
Speaker 1: been a thing, like none of them have like really
Speaker 1: punched me in the gut, like I fucking love that song,
Speaker 1: Like it just hasn't really happened for me yet. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it won't. Okay, empty cups. Attention, Um that
Speaker 1: this this is this is old stuff by the way,
Speaker 1: Um how long? I mean, it's it's really good, It's
Speaker 1: really good. And then every every song on this new
Speaker 1: album is a plus, A plus I mean. And also
Speaker 1: let's not erase Megan Trainer major. Well, we end every
Speaker 1: episode with the song. This has been a fabulous episode.
Speaker 1: First of all, I just want to say now, but
Speaker 1: I want us to go somewhere because it's two PM.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna end every episode with a song. But
Speaker 1: I want to say to my sister, we had a
Speaker 1: fabulous episode. We had a fabulous episode. I was looking
Speaker 1: forward to this all week and it did not disappoint
Speaker 1: and you delivered, and you deliver. I I always want
Speaker 1: to know what you have to say about culture, and
Speaker 1: now you know it's true. Okay, what's the song somebody
Speaker 1: to choose from? Like we were in Paris, we were
Speaker 1: so where else? M hmmm, we were in Paris. To
Speaker 1: listen to more. Make sure you listen to the three.
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