Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, it's your girl Devin Simone and.
Speaker 2: I'm Anissa Ferreira and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast,
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Today.
Speaker 3: We're covering episode five and six of The Challenge Free Agents.
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Speaker 1: Don't say we don't ever give you anything. Thank you.
Speaker 3: We're also gonna give you a lot in this interview.
Speaker 3: We have the incomparable doctor Oh I say it in
Speaker 3: an acting Can you say his name?
Speaker 2: You're gonna get in trouble for all these accents. You
Speaker 2: doctor Frank Fox, formerly known as doctor well just Frank Sweeney.
Speaker 4: But we have him here today.
Speaker 2: We have please to welcome you in to the podcast.
Speaker 3: We are and we're actually gonna save our recap that
Speaker 3: because doctor Frank had some notes, so we're gonna get
Speaker 3: into it episodes five and episode six. But before we
Speaker 3: get into that interview, you know, we got to talk
Speaker 3: about you know, we got to talk about the moment
Speaker 3: of the episode, the flashback moment and the thing we
Speaker 3: want to leave in the past in any fashion corner
Speaker 3: moment so Nini, I'm gonna kick it over to you.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 2: I should write these down before we get here, so
Speaker 2: I'm not pondering, well you won, Yeah, was nice. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this was your first daily wind as
Speaker 2: a solo person.
Speaker 1: As a solo person, yes, it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then I'll give this one to you, Devin,
Speaker 2: because it seemed that no one else at every brain
Speaker 2: cell that we could have had you just had only
Speaker 2: you had a brain up there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I give it all to Tamara was wearing her that day,
Speaker 3: and I feel like she knew she was she was
Speaker 3: my waterwig, and she knew exactly what needed to be
Speaker 3: done to stay dry in that moment, which was really great.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to you know what, I think i'mouna
Speaker 3: say that. Yeah, I'm would take that at the moment
Speaker 3: of the episode for me too, because.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think we should give yourself.
Speaker 2: Give yourself a wedding gift, girl, and this is the
Speaker 2: gift that never stops, you know, because you can always
Speaker 2: look back and say I won trivia and I said,
Speaker 2: it's true.
Speaker 3: That is true, that is very, very very true. I
Speaker 3: appreciate that. Now, what's the moment that you. I feel
Speaker 3: like there are a few kind of potential leave in
Speaker 3: the pastors, but what were what's the moment you would
Speaker 3: leave in the past.
Speaker 2: A lot of the commentary by the people on this show,
Speaker 2: I would like to leave it right in two thousand
Speaker 2: and whatever year this was twelve, now I think fourteen, fourteen, fourteen.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a it's a mixed bag because some
Speaker 3: of I feel like, on one hand, some of the
Speaker 3: commentary is the funniest I think of any.
Speaker 1: Challenge ever, like le Roy stuff. Some of it's just hilarious.
Speaker 4: It's so funny, She's so funny.
Speaker 1: But then some of it is just just trash.
Speaker 4: I'm like, WHOA, calm down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would leave out my leave in the past moment.
Speaker 3: I actually will leave in the past the way I
Speaker 3: handled the Teresa thing, and I never thought i'd say that,
Speaker 3: But just looking back, I feel like I stand by
Speaker 3: voting her in, but I feel like I probably could
Speaker 3: have communicated it differently. And yeah and so and and
Speaker 3: she had every right to then be upset, even though
Speaker 3: I was reacting to her reaction, she had every right
Speaker 3: to be upset. After that, and watching just walking back
Speaker 3: and watching the commentary, Yeah, I give it that. Also,
Speaker 3: I it's weird because in the interviews it seems like
Speaker 3: I knew that I was a political player, but honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I was just as surprised.
Speaker 3: Like we told Kara, I told Carl last week every
Speaker 3: episode or every New Day that I was still in
Speaker 3: the house. I was just as shocked as anybody else.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, wait, yeah.
Speaker 1: I really mean asked Jesus.
Speaker 3: I had a lot there were a lot of voicemails
Speaker 3: that were left like wow, well thank you, this is
Speaker 3: me so well. I've stopped watching myself back saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm good at a political game. So I'm like, girls,
Speaker 3: since when, I don't know how it's interesting, I just
Speaker 3: don't remember.
Speaker 2: I just think it's that's part of you. And I
Speaker 2: think that when you play like that, it's just it's
Speaker 2: just natural. So it doesn't feel like you've done anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah it really At the time, it didn't. So that's was.
Speaker 2: Before your time, you know what I mean, maybe you
Speaker 2: should have ran for her office in some capacity.
Speaker 3: I'm not organized enough, but thank you for believing in me.
Speaker 3: That's you can just have a nice fair now. What's
Speaker 3: your what's your leave it in the past moment? I
Speaker 3: don't even know Jazine getting beat by Laurel so terribly.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I would I would love to never
Speaker 2: see that again.
Speaker 1: I would be rare.
Speaker 4: But what I would like.
Speaker 2: To say something to that, It's like, we're not professional
Speaker 2: like fighters, you know what I mean, Like, we're not
Speaker 2: like doing this based on weight class. So it's right,
Speaker 2: like as unfair as it is, it's just that's the
Speaker 2: None of this shit is fair. So if we were
Speaker 2: all the same, the same height, the same weight, the
Speaker 2: same athletic ability, well we'd probably all be playing a sport.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Not so we're here because we need the dynamic. We
Speaker 4: need it to be different.
Speaker 2: So for listeners and fans of the show, who I'm like,
Speaker 2: well that's unfair, I'm like, yeah, it sucks. You know,
Speaker 2: like one's very small, ones very tall. There's a weight difference,
Speaker 2: you know, but we've seen the upset, you know, We've
Speaker 2: seen anything can happen. And I know Jazone was like,
Speaker 2: well this sucks, but it's also.
Speaker 4: Like good on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah she put up a bite, Yeah she didn't
Speaker 1: give up. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Some people would have been like why are we even
Speaker 4: doing this shit?
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just that's the game, you know, as
Speaker 2: much as you want to leave it in the past, like,
Speaker 2: it's still a present and always be a recurry scene that.
Speaker 4: You just get.
Speaker 2: Bodies are different and you're gonna get some people that
Speaker 2: are bigger than some other people.
Speaker 1: So that's true. Were there any fashion corner moments for
Speaker 1: you in this episode?
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, that's some shit I would like to
Speaker 2: leave in the past.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm also leaving my frizzy non existent edges
Speaker 3: in the past.
Speaker 1: That deliberation hair, my edges. Clearly, I'd given no love.
Speaker 2: For different They had a different, different, different idea.
Speaker 4: Yes, they really wanted your hairstyle.
Speaker 1: To be They did. They did. I've been working, they were,
Speaker 1: they were. Oh, it was a sight to see.
Speaker 3: Well something else that's not a sight to see, but
Speaker 3: definitely a site to listen to you. Although, if you
Speaker 3: guys could pete doctor Fox. Now I'm talking about doctor Frank.
Speaker 2: Fox, you Foxy, doctor f He really is.
Speaker 3: He really is and smart too and just so fun.
Speaker 3: So we're excited for you to get in this interview.
Speaker 3: So grab a snack, Grab a drink, don't do whatever
Speaker 3: makes you feel good legal and then stay right here
Speaker 3: for this fabulous interview that Anita and I are about.
Speaker 1: Fabulous doctor Frank.
Speaker 2: All right, folks, it's that time in the podcast where
Speaker 2: we get to interview you know.
Speaker 4: It goes from Christmas past.
Speaker 2: If you will, this person I think was an incredible
Speaker 2: cast me, a good friend and definitely entertaining to watch.
Speaker 2: Now he has grown up and he is doctor Frank Fox.
Speaker 2: Welcome the former Frank Sweeney now Frank Fox, doctor and
Speaker 2: still handsome as ever to the podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to have you. I haven't seen you in ages.
Speaker 1: You still thank you you guys.
Speaker 3: He is not aged literally a day like I'm I
Speaker 3: think you got Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 7: That's Sarah at the clinic. She really she fills me
Speaker 7: up with all the things I need.
Speaker 8: So but thanks you all. It's so good to see you.
Speaker 8: It's really it's like it really is a blast in
Speaker 8: the past.
Speaker 2: It is as an.
Speaker 7: Artist normally known as frank' sweening now now Frank Fox.
Speaker 2: Right, did you cringe as much as we have watching these?
Speaker 7: I mean like, oh, it's a time capsule. We'll say
Speaker 7: that to be like, yeah, about it.
Speaker 8: But I will say some of the folks commentary and
Speaker 8: the boys commentary does not age very well, does it?
Speaker 8: These boys? No, clean them up?
Speaker 2: Yeah no, we said it. Then we were like kind
Speaker 2: of had a kind of haven't enough of this like bullshit?
Speaker 2: And then it's like it really is like kind of
Speaker 2: like you know, what.
Speaker 8: Calls crazy calls what I will but maybe it doesn't
Speaker 8: feel good to be on the right side of history,
Speaker 8: see you boys?
Speaker 2: Yes right, yeah, yeah, one thousand percent.
Speaker 4: I'm like, who a dodged a bullet there? And listen, yeah,
Speaker 4: could never.
Speaker 3: It was a lot to fill And for those who
Speaker 3: don't know, we'll get into the episodes because we definitely
Speaker 3: want to hear your taken and especially watching it back now,
Speaker 3: Doctor Fox. But fill us in on what you've been
Speaker 3: up to, what has life been all because so many
Speaker 3: people want to know because you are and were such
Speaker 3: an icon when you were competing on the Challenge and
Speaker 3: then you went on to Kickbooks but in real life,
Speaker 3: so yeah, give us an update.
Speaker 1: What have you been up to?
Speaker 8: Thanks seven? Well, yeah, I mean just a bunch of uh,
Speaker 8: just you know, moves here and there. So I was
Speaker 8: in LA for about eleven years, and in my time
Speaker 8: there after, I transitioned off the challenge I started. I
Speaker 8: went to grad school, I got my doctorate in physical therapy.
Speaker 8: I started a PhD program, but then I realized it's
Speaker 8: time to grow up and make some money. So I stopped.
Speaker 7: Otway through that and started working and get that coin.
Speaker 8: And so I've been working as sort of like in
Speaker 8: healthcare consulting since then, with a little hand in research
Speaker 8: in clinical practice too.
Speaker 7: So it's always nice to just like keep that up.
Speaker 8: And I've since moved to Austin, Texas with my husband,
Speaker 8: mister Dan Fox, mister sexy sexy.
Speaker 6: Dan Fox, and uh yeah, the two of us are here,
Speaker 6: got three tiny dogs, just live in our gay fantasy,
Speaker 6: our gay cowboy fantasy.
Speaker 4: I love so right.
Speaker 1: Love that so much.
Speaker 3: Who do you, if any, do you keep in regular
Speaker 3: contact with from your days in the real world world
Speaker 3: or the challenge world.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say more so with like some of
Speaker 8: the real world girls, Priscilla and Alex, I definitely keep
Speaker 8: in touch with we just like you know, touch.
Speaker 7: Base every now and then, and they're they're wonderful.
Speaker 8: I would say, yeah, I don't know, I haven't not
Speaker 8: for any issue of like mouse or it will. It's
Speaker 8: just been like life gets busy and you get torn
Speaker 8: away and you sort of like fall out of the circle.
Speaker 8: And uh, you know, I think with some people that
Speaker 8: I was friends with by circumstance, like a Jordan or
Speaker 8: somebody like that, like when I was in LA, that
Speaker 8: was like, you know, more circumstantial and you know, things
Speaker 8: naturally sort of like fall off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think we were filming a TV show and
Speaker 2: in that moment, like watching back, Devin and I have
Speaker 2: talked about like how serious we thought things were or friendships, fights, whatever,
Speaker 2: like then you grow up and you're kind of like,
Speaker 2: well that was that was ridiculous and trivial and like
Speaker 2: kind of like juvenile, And yeah, as were like some
Speaker 2: of the friendships they were built on like a trauma
Speaker 2: bond and that's that's it not necessarily healthy, but it's
Speaker 2: definitely true.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I will say like there's like it's such
Speaker 8: a like an innate joy that I have seeing the
Speaker 8: two of you right now that like and maybe it
Speaker 8: is that like that like trauma bond coming back and
Speaker 8: like really flushing out I r L. But it's so good,
Speaker 8: like it does feel like oh wow, like look at
Speaker 8: this thing that we survived in together and we made
Speaker 8: and we like really made together and as serious as
Speaker 8: it felt, we put ourselves out there in a really nuts.
Speaker 1: Way, right and not like one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: Being that vulnerable like with you know, the three of
Speaker 8: us were all friends. Like being that vulnerable together is uh,
Speaker 8: I mean that is really special. So there's a real, true,
Speaker 8: no bullshit joy that I feel, just like chapter with the.
Speaker 1: All right now same, It's true. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: it is. It's an experience that is unique that only
Speaker 1: as much as we talk about it on a podcast
Speaker 1: or people watch shows or fans, that you can only
Speaker 1: really get when you're in it. It's like this, you know.
Speaker 3: And so you know that's true about being a part
Speaker 3: of kind of the challenge your world family anyway, but
Speaker 3: it's even more so I think when you share you know,
Speaker 3: the only two challenges I had ever done, Frank, you
Speaker 3: were on both of them. So it's like you share
Speaker 3: an even deeper like kind of bond in that way,
Speaker 3: which is is I think really neat.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, well what wasn't neat this season was that Frank.
Speaker 2: I remember walking into the room and Frank was like sick,
Speaker 2: and just like under the covers, wrapped up like a burrito,
Speaker 2: not moving, and just like I remember you just sleeping
Speaker 2: days away, and I don't think anyone knew what happened,
Speaker 2: like you just left. And I mean clearly some people
Speaker 2: were devastated, myself included, but it because I knew it
Speaker 2: was going to change the dynamic in the house, change
Speaker 2: a level of competition. But like what actually, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know, but like what actually happened for the viewers
Speaker 2: who and listeners who don't know because you just disappear
Speaker 2: and they never say anything else.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I had pneumonia. I had pneumonia. It
Speaker 8: was like, I mean, y'all know, we went down to
Speaker 8: Jose Nacio or would stay in Yorgay, which I just
Speaker 8: went back to this year.
Speaker 7: By the way, it is chic, like so so chic.
Speaker 8: The food was so good, it's like artsy. It's like
Speaker 8: all these Europeans coming in. It was.
Speaker 7: It was so great, highly recommend truly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, But we were down there and it wasn't like
Speaker 8: it was off off off season in the fall, and
Speaker 8: it like wasn't quite the summertime there yet, and it
Speaker 8: was cold. I don't know, if you'll remember we did
Speaker 8: that and we were like shaking, like pneumonia, and I
Speaker 8: was just like down for the count. I went to
Speaker 8: that hospital in Punta la Stay and I remember, like
Speaker 8: as I speak Spanish, and I remember them talking and
Speaker 8: being like like talking around me, and I was like,
Speaker 8: just like tell me what's going on to me? Please,
Speaker 8: and they were like, we've got pneumonia. You have to
Speaker 8: like you cannot be like outside, you can't be in
Speaker 8: the water, you can't be in the pool, you can't
Speaker 8: do any of this. You gotta just like rest. And
Speaker 8: that just like wasn't going to work right.
Speaker 2: So Yeahdj's like Frank's highly contagious.
Speaker 4: I'm like, is it sars?
Speaker 1: Like what are we dealing with? I know, right?
Speaker 8: Oh man, that was It was tough. It was tough
Speaker 8: to like be sick and then also like try to
Speaker 8: you know, have fun be there, yeahs and do the
Speaker 8: actual challenges.
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, one of the.
Speaker 9: Nights we like I was only there for like what
Speaker 9: maybe like two weeks, and one of the nights we
Speaker 9: went out and I don't know, See was being a
Speaker 9: dumb ass and not.
Speaker 1: What he was doing.
Speaker 8: I just remember and sitting on the bus and being
Speaker 8: like these just stop fighting.
Speaker 7: I just want to go to sleep so bad.
Speaker 8: And I was like shivering and sick, and I was like,
Speaker 8: I get it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that was tough.
Speaker 8: It was tough.
Speaker 4: Well, we had really late nights then too.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like now where we did check us out,
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, kids, Like we partied.
Speaker 1: Then, I get it was so we definitely it was
Speaker 1: interesting too.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys notice on the cliffs,
Speaker 3: but like people could have feuds in the house. People
Speaker 3: could be like, I hate you, I want to see
Speaker 3: you going, and then it cuts to the party scene
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure I saw a car and Johnny
Speaker 3: doing shots together, and you see like people who like
Speaker 3: hated each other in competition.
Speaker 1: It was like everybody was cool. I'm fine at the
Speaker 1: club and then you know, we went back out. That
Speaker 1: was also the year that Miley cyrus Is wreck Ball
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember we watched that video on the
Speaker 3: projector screen in that club. I just remember being so
Speaker 3: impressed when Miley was on the Wrecking Ball. Remember how
Speaker 3: we were like on the top floor and we were.
Speaker 2: Always because we only went to Mighty Dix.
Speaker 8: Yes, clips, that's where we were. It was where sound
Speaker 8: the bus like three hours like Camilla was gonna be
Speaker 8: yelling in Portuguese.
Speaker 1: That was the night I got left on the back
Speaker 1: of the bus. Frank, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Felt sick, Yes, because the back of the bus.
Speaker 3: Come on, Yes, girl, I know Rosa Parks could not
Speaker 3: have been impressed.
Speaker 2: But I made.
Speaker 1: It out a lot.
Speaker 2: Wait, but it's because Devin and I were also talking.
Speaker 2: It was a two hour ride, yes, not on that,
Speaker 2: but it was two hours there and back until we
Speaker 2: got on that little like barge situation, like.
Speaker 7: A tiny literally, I was just there.
Speaker 8: Can confirm it took that long. We had to get
Speaker 8: on a bar or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: That was the shortcut, but not us. I could only
Speaker 2: take the vans.
Speaker 1: Wait, but you're saying there's a real break.
Speaker 8: Now there is a real.
Speaker 1: Change.
Speaker 7: I'm on the chism board for Jose and I'll see
Speaker 7: how your agua here.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: Actually, I said, redact, redact. I want to keep a cheek,
Speaker 7: keep it right.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you.
Speaker 2: Besides like jet setting and like doing great things, have
Speaker 2: you watched any of the challenge since you stopped? Okay,
Speaker 2: I know that's a big I mean.
Speaker 8: It's no is my honest answer, and like I love
Speaker 8: reality TV like I do. I like I took a
Speaker 8: minute after I left the show to like bounce back
Speaker 8: into it. I will say, like I didn't watch like
Speaker 8: any reality TV, not like even The Housewives anything like
Speaker 8: that at first. But I've since bounced back and bounce
Speaker 8: back hard, just not necessarily to the challenge. I don't
Speaker 8: know what it is. It's just like tough to watch
Speaker 8: people who and I don't know if you all feel
Speaker 8: the same way, but people who I know sort of
Speaker 8: like still acting a fool. I know the cast has
Speaker 8: changed bunch. I know the cast has changed a bunch.
Speaker 8: I know people have evolved, and I hear you are
Speaker 8: shade Like I think, like it would be super fun
Speaker 8: to keep doing it and have fun and keep going
Speaker 8: back and everything like that. But like your storyline, your narrative,
Speaker 8: your person in real life changes, it can also change
Speaker 8: on the show. So like do the work, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Frank, when you did you.
Speaker 3: Watch the rest of Free Agencies and back when it
Speaker 3: originally aired, or you know, is this your first time
Speaker 3: rewatching with us?
Speaker 1: Is this your first time?
Speaker 8: This is my first time seeing the episodes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ways.
Speaker 8: I really like, I just like it was like it
Speaker 8: was like a sefference.
Speaker 7: I was just like, all right, yeah, Like I just
Speaker 7: didn't even nothing.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, you basically watch when you get
Speaker 8: everybody's opinions online anyways, so like I'm like, I know
Speaker 8: how people feel about it. What do I gotta watch?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, So then from your fresh take, Okay, let's go
Speaker 3: into episode five where we have oh god, that like
Speaker 3: hanging rope Challenge daily thing.
Speaker 1: Just I know not never not a fan of that.
Speaker 10: For today's challenge, piggyback, you guys are going to be
Speaker 10: separated and the two teams of ten to begin, All
Speaker 10: ten players are going to start on one platform, and
Speaker 10: when I say go, the first player is going to
Speaker 10: jump on the first rope. The second player is then
Speaker 10: going to use the first player as a human bridge
Speaker 10: to get to that second rope. The third player is
Speaker 10: going to do the same and tell all ten players.
Speaker 8: Have their own rope.
Speaker 3: When you watched that, Frank, did you think, like before
Speaker 3: you saw how it ended or like how the teams
Speaker 3: did did you kind of assume that that one because
Speaker 3: it seemed like everyone there.
Speaker 1: Thought it would be relatively easy. Did you also think
Speaker 1: it would be easy just looking at it, or could
Speaker 1: you tell it was going to be a challenge.
Speaker 8: I definitely know it was gonna be easy.
Speaker 7: I surprised that it was so difficult.
Speaker 8: It reminded me of like, I don't know if y'all
Speaker 8: ever did like Project Adventure in gym when you were
Speaker 8: in elementary school? Did y'all have it?
Speaker 2: It was called no, what is it?
Speaker 8: I don't know? So fun when it was Project Adventure week.
Speaker 8: It was so lit in elementary school, you basically like
Speaker 8: it was like the Challenge but made for kids, where
Speaker 8: they were like, all right, here's a tire and a board,
Speaker 8: build a bridge, and.
Speaker 7: Here's a net with a bunch of things.
Speaker 8: Get out of it.
Speaker 1: That was like, oh man, oh that's cool.
Speaker 4: It's like some shit we do now.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, that's what it reminded me of. I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: this is like Project Adventure week. This is going to
Speaker 8: be a cakewalk, except.
Speaker 2: For the people that were cake walking on your head.
Speaker 8: Yeah right.
Speaker 1: It was hot. I knew I was going to fall
Speaker 1: because I don't have upper body strength. I knew that
Speaker 1: I looked that I looked like it. But looks this
Speaker 1: evening and so I knew that was going to be
Speaker 1: a struggle from the jump.
Speaker 3: What we didn't know I don't think though is pressed
Speaker 3: in yet again really shining. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: saw the episode before, Frank, but Preston in the last
Speaker 3: couple of episodes has been like the underestimated last Picked one,
Speaker 3: and yet has really kind of been essential.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I got thoughts. I think like, again, oh, oh,
Speaker 8: this is the time capsule and we are back on
Speaker 8: it and we're not like we're not necessarily looking back
Speaker 8: with the same mines as we felt in the moment,
Speaker 8: right and I'm looking back on it and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 8: we did him so dirty, just like yeah, like the
Speaker 8: queer person, the personal color, We're just like last pick, like,
Speaker 8: get the fuck out of here. Like the fact that
Speaker 8: like there was that was just so abundant. If you
Speaker 8: watch these episodes, it's we get.
Speaker 2: Killed off like a horror movie. It's we get weaponized
Speaker 2: every fucking time, disposable.
Speaker 1: I said that, that's been I made that.
Speaker 3: I made a clip of that once not to do
Speaker 3: spoiler alert, but again, y'all show why this has been
Speaker 3: out for tending U. When we get down to the
Speaker 3: final black person I did. I made a video and
Speaker 3: I think they put it on MTV dot com where
Speaker 3: I was like, why are all the black people gone?
Speaker 1: And I go through the list of how all the
Speaker 1: black people have been like annihilated.
Speaker 2: And it was Yeah, it's crazy because I don't think
Speaker 2: any of us really thought about it in the moment,
Speaker 2: like to the to the point that I think about
Speaker 2: it now and like look at it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like with women, female winners, and brown winners and queer winners, like.
Speaker 8: Where we are, we were loving.
Speaker 7: We were loving some like subconsciously villainizing the other.
Speaker 8: We loved. It was like it was a thing like
Speaker 8: you know, I mean when I the one thing that
Speaker 8: I have watched back because when I married my husband,
Speaker 8: he said I gotta see Anne episode of the Real World.
Speaker 8: I said, okay, you can watch Anne episode. And when
Speaker 8: I watched it back, I was just like, oh, like what,
Speaker 8: because I'm gay this is the issue? Like because I'm
Speaker 8: because I'm queer, because I'm other, this is the issue.
Speaker 8: And I was like, man, I really don't care a
Speaker 8: fuck about what I said or how I said it.
Speaker 7: My message was loud and clear, and yeah, all were wrong, baby.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on that point.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, no, it's very curious action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably a similar Yeah, I definitely want to
Speaker 1: know how your husband felt about it.
Speaker 3: But while you're here, Frank, your thoughts on Battle of
Speaker 3: the Season, because there's been a lot and still is
Speaker 3: a lot of commentary around kind of to this point, right,
Speaker 3: and the communication and the things that were said, and
Speaker 3: the treatment of some people on the show, and I
Speaker 3: just wonder, with you and your mature eyes, what are
Speaker 3: your thoughts around you know, look, I'm gonna just keep
Speaker 3: it straight. Your team and how your team communicated with
Speaker 3: each other, and things you would or wouldn't do differently,
Speaker 3: Like what do you think now?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that they're totally there's I mean, there
Speaker 8: were so many levels to that, and I think a
Speaker 8: lot of it was beyond my like twenty three year
Speaker 8: old self fit at the time, and like how I
Speaker 8: handled I'll only speak for myself here and how I
Speaker 8: handled like those relationships, I think I could have better.
Speaker 8: I mean, I know I could have better handled almost
Speaker 8: every situation With Sam. I sort of took advantage of
Speaker 8: her presentation as like this like very confident, like you know,
Speaker 8: for all, for what it's worth like masculine presenting person,
Speaker 8: and I just like was like cool, even playing field, baby,
Speaker 8: let's let's go. It's not it's not. There's like definitely
Speaker 8: differences in power and dynamics there that like were beyond
Speaker 8: my brain at the time period. Yeah, So that's one yeah,
Speaker 8: and then two from for that interaction, and then two
Speaker 8: like I think the way that I sort of became
Speaker 8: not I don't know what the right word is here,
Speaker 8: but like almost like made myself lower than or submissive
Speaker 8: to Zach as sort of like an outfiel male. Think
Speaker 8: you're gross gross, because like really who was leading the
Speaker 8: charge there?
Speaker 1: It was all me.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he like you know, gets the steam and he
Speaker 11: has the physical presence and he is the white straight
Speaker 11: dude just like doing it. And like I sort of
Speaker 11: like acquiesced after being on the real world with him
Speaker 11: and how fucking horrible he was. I sort of like
Speaker 11: acquiesced and was like cool, let's just you know, make
Speaker 11: make nice. But I don't know that I should have
Speaker 11: made nice at the time. I don't know that I
Speaker 11: was ready to.
Speaker 7: It was just like a it was just again twenty
Speaker 7: three o'da being like, let's do this let's make a show. Also,
Speaker 7: let's do well. So you're sort of in the worst
Speaker 7: position to do so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think, like what you said before,
Speaker 2: like how we our delivery I think is different now
Speaker 2: of like.
Speaker 4: Kind of you know, picking and choosing our.
Speaker 2: Battles and like how we are to fight those battles. Yes,
Speaker 2: because it coming out of your twenty three year old
Speaker 2: mouth may seem way different than how you would present
Speaker 2: your arguments now at your level of confidence and your
Speaker 2: knowledge of self now versus then. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: like you could, like you said before, like you could
Speaker 2: have been saying all of the things, you know, all
Speaker 2: of the right things, just the wrong way. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I am afraid to even watch your season of the
Speaker 2: Real World. I feel like that one was a hard one.
Speaker 8: Oh she did not age well. But like, here's the
Speaker 8: thing now that you're like empowered with you know, you
Speaker 8: know now that all of us are empowered with like
Speaker 8: a little bit more forethought and a lot more maturity,
Speaker 8: Like we can all still read a bitch and we
Speaker 8: can do it artic.
Speaker 3: You let leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, that's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's my favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I love it. I feel like that was
Speaker 1: the thing that actually united the three of us in
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 3: I feel like that was like I just remember like
Speaker 3: sometimes our little peakies in a side and I'd come,
Speaker 3: even though I wasn't rooming in the room with you guys,
Speaker 3: I'd come, like sit in the room with you guys
Speaker 3: and talk.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that was the thing.
Speaker 2: Well, it was you, Zach and who in your room?
Speaker 1: Me Zach, Teresa, you know the one that I voted
Speaker 1: in which we'll talk about this episode and uh chat.
Speaker 1: But Frank took shut out day one, and I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did have that. You guys were the next room over.
Speaker 2: Our neighbors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it all just getting ready.
Speaker 1: Laurel and Jordan's and they were.
Speaker 4: Bathroom buddies for real.
Speaker 2: Yeah any other time, the real the other.
Speaker 1: Type of bathroom buddies.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the episode,
Speaker 3: because I know sometimes and they do want to hear
Speaker 3: our taking your take, and this is Frank watching it
Speaker 3: with fresh eyes. Okay, So we see that challenge, We
Speaker 3: see that I guess Preston didn't grab both ropes. I
Speaker 3: remember being like nervous about how that was going to
Speaker 3: go because it was such a like kind.
Speaker 1: Of nail bier with the four and four. And so
Speaker 1: then we get to the you know, deliberation, and this is.
Speaker 3: Kind of the beginning of You're starting to see the
Speaker 3: fissure between Jordan and Bananas.
Speaker 5: This person is really big on tradition.
Speaker 10: He's a really good competitor.
Speaker 9: He's got a lot of famous speeches, but one of
Speaker 9: his most famous is it's time for you to go
Speaker 9: in there and earn your stripes.
Speaker 1: Johnny, how do you got mine?
Speaker 2: Buddy?
Speaker 5: So my vote is for Johnny Bananas.
Speaker 7: We haven't seen you in elimination and.
Speaker 11: Quite some time.
Speaker 8: All right, Bananas, come on up. Jordan, of all people,
Speaker 8: a guy who's coming to this house and done nothing,
Speaker 8: a guy who is full of false bravado, is.
Speaker 2: Now going to tell me that I need to earn
Speaker 2: my stripes.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not gonna dignify that with a response.
Speaker 1: You're starting to see that dynamic. They're like laying the groundwork.
Speaker 3: What are your And it's also very interesting watching it
Speaker 3: because this is like Jordan's He's so he's not a villain,
Speaker 3: I want to be clear, But if we can liken
Speaker 3: it to anything, you know, how they say that every
Speaker 3: villain as their origin story, so you sort of see
Speaker 3: who they become.
Speaker 1: And so it's here you see Bananas being like.
Speaker 3: You haven't done anything, like you'll never do anything on
Speaker 3: this show always and now we know where and I
Speaker 3: know you said you haven't kept up as much, Frank,
Speaker 3: but like, basically Jordan is is on his track, on
Speaker 3: his way to becoming one of the goats. I mean,
Speaker 3: has done exceptionally well. But seeing this moment where Bananas
Speaker 3: is like, you'll never amount to anything and you'll.
Speaker 1: Da da da da da.
Speaker 2: It's just this was Jordan's second season, I think, as
Speaker 2: we had done Rivals too right before that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm. What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen, but I'm not like uninformed
Speaker 8: obviously seen like social media and things, and whenever I
Speaker 8: log onto Twitter, I you know, the babies still keep
Speaker 8: me updated the challenge stuff. But I would say I
Speaker 8: wrote I wrote notes when I when I watched this,
Speaker 8: and I was like, and my note was, was this
Speaker 8: the beginning of the battle of egos for Bananas and Jordan?
Speaker 1: And I think yes it was.
Speaker 4: I think this is the inception, Yes it was.
Speaker 8: I think he has an incredible athletic prowess. I think
Speaker 8: Jordan's like really fantastic. He's just like good at these challenges.
Speaker 8: I think that's also like a thing, being good at
Speaker 8: these challenges. But this was all based an ego. It
Speaker 8: seems like them.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, unlike no other mm hmm. What are some
Speaker 3: of your other notes that you like? Run through Frank's
Speaker 3: notes and talk about each point. Let's run through.
Speaker 4: On our podcast, Frank.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, yes, doctor's notes. Sure, yes. Episode five, we've
Speaker 8: got Teresa voting for Laurel, I wrote, savage, I thought
Speaker 8: not voting for Laurel rather like saying I want to
Speaker 8: get her out and then being like Jasmine or whope,
Speaker 8: you vote for to thrown the bus? That was wild Teresa,
Speaker 8: And I'm sorry, Jasmine, we vote for you.
Speaker 4: Teresa votes for Jasmine.
Speaker 3: You mean this woman, this Joan of Arc that came
Speaker 3: in here torch.
Speaker 2: Blazing to go for Laurel.
Speaker 4: Just voted Jasmine.
Speaker 1: So now we look like the kid's going after Laurel
Speaker 1: and she's sitting up there shaking all nervous. What the hell?
Speaker 8: And then I wrote, I wrote, what do we think
Speaker 8: her worse? Hitting the water in that challenge for Teresa's
Speaker 8: broken bones from Devin, you throwing her under the bus
Speaker 8: when you told Laurel immediately.
Speaker 3: Immediately, I mean we didn't even go upstairs yet, we
Speaker 3: didn't even make it upstairs.
Speaker 1: I just think that you should know and be aware
Speaker 1: that there was a ring leader amongst set voting that
Speaker 1: has then turned coat, sitting right there so.
Speaker 2: That it looked like she had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2: And I think you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: I do thank you, and you know what, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie watching the Fresh Eye.
Speaker 3: So the way I remember it in my heart is
Speaker 3: that I really felt bonded, like Teresa and I had
Speaker 3: really hit it off, Like I really felt very close
Speaker 3: with Teresa, which is why I really felt very betrayed
Speaker 3: when she flipped like that, because like when I say
Speaker 3: that we were like buddy buddies in the house, we
Speaker 3: very much were. And so I just felt like I
Speaker 3: was really hurt by it. So when I then went
Speaker 3: and told Laurel it was for two my memory was
Speaker 3: that it was for two things. One because I had
Speaker 3: always in that game at least i'd played where if
Speaker 3: I voted for you, I usually gave you a heads
Speaker 3: up and I told you why, Like it was never
Speaker 3: some surprise that I.
Speaker 1: Voted for you or whatever. That was just kind of
Speaker 1: my standard.
Speaker 5: So was that.
Speaker 3: And then also because I was so hurt by Teresa. However,
Speaker 3: watching it back, look, the challenge editors played a clip
Speaker 3: of a snake through the grass before they cut to
Speaker 3: me talking about what Teresa did.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: Watching it back, it actually does look shady as hell.
Speaker 3: It looks real shady and real like snakeish.
Speaker 1: Even though she did completely flip it, it didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't look good in handling things the way that
Speaker 3: I did, especially because I literally I teased instead, I'm
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 1: Throw you in and then I go, oh, I would never,
Speaker 1: but clearly I would because it did.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it did make for good TV. But that
Speaker 3: is me owning my shit in that I that it
Speaker 3: looks it was. It was equally messy. My hands were
Speaker 3: not fully clean in that, and I could have handled
Speaker 3: it better. But I but I do stand by giving
Speaker 3: Laurel the heads up have really.
Speaker 1: Happened, what really happened, because I don't think that was
Speaker 1: fair to like put all the targets on all of us.
Speaker 1: And she's done a sense then from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 8: Wild and I you know, but I do fully understand
Speaker 8: your rationale. Here everything feels so monumentous and so big. Yeah,
Speaker 8: when you really feel like somebody's your friend and they
Speaker 8: go ahead and do that, you just like it feels
Speaker 8: like a real true betraying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like and in real life, like how often
Speaker 7: you actually experience that?
Speaker 8: Almost never, so like in that circumstance, you're like, oh
Speaker 8: my god, this is like Shakespearean. I was stabbed totally
Speaker 8: totally and uh and I get it, and every you know,
Speaker 8: people or is like ask like if I were to
Speaker 8: go back, like how would I play? And I always
Speaker 8: think that I would just be like a confessional gangster
Speaker 8: and like cut people left and right and be like
Speaker 8: I'll do whatever I want and I'll just like play
Speaker 8: this like really cutthroat game. But there's not a chance
Speaker 8: knowing my person that like I don't you know, fall
Speaker 8: mom like monumentously in love with someone as a friend
Speaker 8: or you know, just like we're bonded, and then it
Speaker 8: comes to a situation where I got to cut them,
Speaker 8: and like it's not easy. You can't always say you're
Speaker 8: going to play the game cold or play the game
Speaker 8: fully out like up front, because it's just it's too complicated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, things happen and you have to like be able
Speaker 2: to alter your strategy like immediately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it can get it can get messy.
Speaker 2: It definitely get me.
Speaker 7: Honestly, props with Teresa for being that messy girl.
Speaker 8: I kind of loved it. That was like I was like,
Speaker 8: she's really going for it.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 3: Too, it's yeah, all of these things, but she should
Speaker 3: just owned up to her choice is the thing?
Speaker 1: Right, Like, you're right? That was actually very smart, like
Speaker 1: well play, but then her like I don't know why
Speaker 1: people come after me and everybody's just so mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, now, look you got it, like if you're
Speaker 3: gonna you know, the same way Laurel owned up her
Speaker 3: kill list right was like.
Speaker 1: Look, oh my god, I'm murdering first. Oh I'm executing.
Speaker 1: That was iconic.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, so before we go any further, we need
Speaker 2: to take a quick break.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 7: On my on my notes, I have episode six is
Speaker 7: for the girls.
Speaker 8: Are we going to episode six? We gotta wrap on five.
Speaker 2: We could talk about it.
Speaker 1: We could go yeah, we could go yeah, we.
Speaker 8: Could talk about six. Six was for the girlies and
Speaker 8: I was here for it. We got we like we
Speaker 8: got the Jordan and Bananas beef out in episode five,
Speaker 8: and then this one became the girls and I and
Speaker 8: this one I like loved because I loved the trivia challenge.
Speaker 1: It was so fun, Risa.
Speaker 10: What is the largest country in the world Canada? The
Speaker 10: correct answer is Russia.
Speaker 2: I forget about that, Like whoever thinks of Russia? I
Speaker 2: forgot they even exist?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 10: What is a female deer called a joe? Just like
Speaker 10: the song?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 8: All right, car Maria.
Speaker 10: What continent does the USA belong to?
Speaker 5: Continent?
Speaker 1: What is a continent?
Speaker 2: Continent is the word that is tripping me up? Continent
Speaker 2: the northern continent.
Speaker 8: The correct answer is North America. So hilarious, and I
Speaker 8: loved that, Like the narrative was centered around all you'll
Speaker 8: girls even like from the jump in the van and
Speaker 8: like you had the van of the allies in that band,
Speaker 8: we had it.
Speaker 2: I know that Devon had questioned some things I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I may have questions things that night in that van.
Speaker 2: That's the day that Iannie and I are very similar kissers.
Speaker 2: And I said that to her, she was like, I'm
Speaker 2: a good kisser. I'm like, well, so clearly we're kissing
Speaker 2: each other, Like, just shut up. It was we didn't
Speaker 2: give a ship, none of us.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we had.
Speaker 2: Oh that's because we could trink before we left.
Speaker 1: Oh is that what happened?
Speaker 8: Is that why we were there?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I mean listen, they didn't cast like unattractive people,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't like you were in a van with
Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of youah people that weren't.
Speaker 1: Now, but we were just all like super uninhibited in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really was. That poor driver of that
Speaker 1: band that day.
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he has nothing. He had years, he's had
Speaker 2: years of just footage in his mind. Yeah, we did not,
Speaker 2: And that's before you would think that kind of behavior
Speaker 2: would happen, Like after the club, we were like yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we're doing it before we get to Moby Dick's.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, the definite free party. I loved it.
Speaker 3: What did you think of Frank in watching the guy's
Speaker 3: band scene and where c was like sign the release
Speaker 3: and just all of all of that dynamic that's playing out.
Speaker 1: What was your analysis that Oh my.
Speaker 8: God, next like get out of here, get out.
Speaker 1: It was as it was a mess.
Speaker 5: It was a mess.
Speaker 8: And again it's just like bays being like who's got
Speaker 8: a bigger dick? And it's like y'all, yeah, y'all. You
Speaker 8: know who's got the biggest dick is Preston because he's
Speaker 8: getting it wet over on the other.
Speaker 2: Bus, right, So true it is, and it's like not
Speaker 2: a care in the world. The other bus was just
Speaker 2: so like dry and angry, and I was like, m hm,
Speaker 2: are we in the same place, Like we're in order way,
Speaker 2: We're getting paid to be here, we're doing cool ship
Speaker 2: and we're heading to the bar, our bar, moby dicks and.
Speaker 1: We get to McDonald's on Saturdays, right, you guys are.
Speaker 2: As like idiots?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hated that. That was the tension, the tension Van
Speaker 2: and I was not for watching it back made uncomfortable.
Speaker 8: Yeah, who had more sexual tension? It was obviously them
Speaker 8: Lena and and for the I can't believe we didn't
Speaker 8: get one. Maybe there was.
Speaker 7: They're not signed the release It was like sign me
Speaker 7: up for your only fans babies.
Speaker 1: And not what are your doctor? Fox's other notes.
Speaker 8: I loved the trivia. I thought it was so funny.
Speaker 8: But like those questions are so wildly varied between person
Speaker 8: to person, like they were like name the national language
Speaker 8: of Australia and versus like spelled disguise, live here on
Speaker 8: the scene, like get out of here? Those are not
Speaker 8: the same.
Speaker 4: No, they're not that Leroy did did I did? Scott's
Speaker 4: so funny.
Speaker 2: Some of them.
Speaker 1: That was some of the best.
Speaker 3: Hunter and I just have to ask Anissa which country
Speaker 3: has the most population to high school?
Speaker 2: See let me, let me explain what had happened. I
Speaker 2: was like, I was thinking, like, I know, Africa is
Speaker 2: a continent, so I was like, oh ship. And then
Speaker 2: I'm like Asia is a continent and I knew about countries,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was like working through it like out loud and
Speaker 2: then trying to think of countries in Africa versus like China.
Speaker 2: So that upset me because I am smarter than that.
Speaker 2: And it isn't as bad as as Dutch being the
Speaker 2: official language.
Speaker 1: And I cannot. Yeah, that was really it was really awful.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a lot that worked.
Speaker 3: Wait Mahatma Gandhi Kara thinking that Gandhi was a famous boxer.
Speaker 4: I'm just happy she did that name, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: so we'll give it to her, right.
Speaker 2: I think there are some people that are super smart,
Speaker 2: that are good at trivia, that sometimes the heights gets
Speaker 2: to you, and there are people that have no clue
Speaker 2: what's going on on land or above the above the
Speaker 2: ocean or body of water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean look and TJ.
Speaker 3: I love trivia because, especially this season, because you get
Speaker 3: to see TJ's personal Like you could tell how much
Speaker 3: fun TJ was having, psyching us.
Speaker 1: All out on different things and making you think, did
Speaker 1: you get it right? Did you not get it right?
Speaker 1: Like he was clowning people.
Speaker 3: He clowned in me to when she you into water,
Speaker 3: he clowned me where I thought specific ocean was wrong
Speaker 3: for a second and it was right, like he I
Speaker 3: love seeing.
Speaker 1: PJ really kind of like shine who he is beyond
Speaker 1: just giving the rules and the whatever I think trivia
Speaker 1: securate way he really is he really? Do you think.
Speaker 4: Right? Do you think you would have done well at trivia?
Speaker 8: I can listen. I was so nervous. Y'all were going
Speaker 8: to make me try to spell something out loud. I
Speaker 8: don't know that I could spelling out loud really so
Speaker 8: hard if you're on the spot, like the other questions,
Speaker 8: like yes, those like the trivia questions, but like those
Speaker 8: spelling ones, I was likell irresistible.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, well that is not just as easier resisted,
Speaker 7: but I are are okay.
Speaker 8: I R R A E S G I B l E.
Speaker 1: That sounds about right.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, that is correct, But that
Speaker 2: vow sounded like an eat to me, which would make
Speaker 2: it correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it is hard when you're up there. You
Speaker 1: don't have any point of reference.
Speaker 8: No, I love that.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 7: I loved your Backfloppingisa.
Speaker 2: I loved tells us on with like fishing wire. And
Speaker 2: Nannie was crying the whole time. She was I know,
Speaker 2: and my legs are fully hyper extended to the point
Speaker 2: where any doctor would have been cuttsncerned. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 2: my anatomy. But it was that was not that was
Speaker 2: not fun fall. But comparatively, it's not as bad as
Speaker 2: other things that I've done. Yeah, I'll take I'll take
Speaker 2: the I'll take the dental floss over a lot of things.
Speaker 7: All right, I've just been over here trying to figure
Speaker 7: out if I spelled her resistible.
Speaker 8: Correctly or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but you said in E right, Sure,
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 12: I R R E S I N C I V
Speaker 12: a people listening podcast and be like, these people are stupid,
Speaker 12: We're not smart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Devin.
Speaker 8: That like playground intimidation technique with the magic marker, and
Speaker 8: Laurel and.
Speaker 1: I could not.
Speaker 8: Let's write it down.
Speaker 2: Laurel then pulls a G move, and by G I
Speaker 2: mean gangster. Laurel is making her execution list.
Speaker 1: Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 8: One two three, You're fifth, Like, before I even think
Speaker 8: of you.
Speaker 5: Think about what the odds are of me coming back
Speaker 5: from an elimination, and then recognize that I will have
Speaker 5: no problem whatsoever saying your name.
Speaker 8: Just take that into consideration. She was like, I'll see
Speaker 8: you on the I'll see you on the playground.
Speaker 3: Like it was hilarious because I remember going to her,
Speaker 3: And again, the reason you see me talking to her
Speaker 3: is because I had a.
Speaker 1: Thing where I always would tell people if I was
Speaker 1: going to be voting for you, that was just my.
Speaker 3: Own personal standard. And I actually feel like many people
Speaker 3: in the house ended up kind of doing that, and
Speaker 3: we saw.
Speaker 1: Who was it. Someone asked Zach if they were going
Speaker 1: to tell Swift that that he was, if he was
Speaker 1: going to tell with from and Zach was like, Zach
Speaker 1: was like no, but that that kind of became I
Speaker 1: think cts that. But yeah, we kind of would tell people.
Speaker 1: And so I was just talking her and I do.
Speaker 3: I remember literally going in kind of confidently but being like, Okay, look,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you. How's gonna go like this that
Speaker 3: I decided and she pulled out that cute list, and
Speaker 3: I remember just the power dynamics of that moment.
Speaker 1: A hundred like just did a complete one eighty. I
Speaker 1: am not gonna lie. And even though I would vote
Speaker 1: the one in charge of voting or whatever, that girl
Speaker 1: one hundred percent took the power in her own hands.
Speaker 1: And I remember leaving that meeting being like, well, definitely
Speaker 1: not voting Laureland, Like, I'm just like that was that.
Speaker 7: She took the crayola in her own hands, that she
Speaker 7: said I'm gonna write this out.
Speaker 2: She that's very her, you know, And that was very
Speaker 2: her in the moment, and I still feel pieces of like,
Speaker 2: not the list as much anymore, but but I understand
Speaker 2: her more now, and I think that that changes the
Speaker 2: dynamic of like our friendship.
Speaker 1: Because then was a whole other Yeah, you were going
Speaker 1: you were gunning for her, for sure.
Speaker 2: I wasn't gunning for her until she When she came
Speaker 2: for me, I was like, Oh, all right, Sis, that's
Speaker 2: how we're gonna play this. But I would have kept
Speaker 2: her off the table until before the final, and then
Speaker 2: I would have thrown her in.
Speaker 1: I would have too. Teresa and tricked me to vote
Speaker 1: for her. I will say this that she was true
Speaker 1: to her word, which I appreciated, which is the thing
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate about Teresa. So she and I had
Speaker 1: that conversation, and it was true. She never came after me.
Speaker 3: Now, look, I know I'm not a threat for her
Speaker 3: in any capacity, but still it was never whether I
Speaker 3: performed well on a daily or not or blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like from that point forward, even though I had voted
Speaker 1: her in that time before, it was she was, you know,
Speaker 1: up and up, and that I appreciated value.
Speaker 2: She cared as much about whether you were a threat
Speaker 2: or not. It was like more about like integrity and
Speaker 2: how she felt you played the game. I really feel Yeah,
Speaker 2: now that I've played a game with her and we've
Speaker 2: kind of been like on the same side of things,
Speaker 2: understanding her more so that like her, she's not really
Speaker 2: kind of condescending. She's like just doesn't know certain shit,
Speaker 2: so like it could come off the wrong way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, she kind of played like how Jordan, we
Speaker 2: were very like street shooters, like this star playing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we have to go down, we have to go down,
Speaker 2: we have to you know, do certain things. But we're
Speaker 2: not gonna sit here and like just a lie to everybody.
Speaker 2: But there has to be, yeah, some type of strategy here.
Speaker 2: And she just decided to put it in a book
Speaker 2: and take it around with her, and it drove me crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's writing about she's journal about like how
Speaker 2: she's gonna kill me right now. Literally the book the book.
Speaker 8: I really yeah, Andreie's out for me on her She
Speaker 8: was never unkind to me, So I don't have anything
Speaker 8: negative to say, right like, but I just don't understand her,
Speaker 8: like uh maybe like her psychic psyche, her approach to
Speaker 8: the game, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think she's very formulated, because I agree. I actually
Speaker 3: really like Laural and always happened. We never had an
Speaker 3: issue Outside of the game. She's been very supportive. She
Speaker 3: used to come over my house with her dog Louis
Speaker 3: way back in.
Speaker 1: The day around the challenge days. Like, I really like
Speaker 1: Laurel h in that way, but I feel like she
Speaker 1: she you know, she's been described as robotic, and I
Speaker 1: think that's an extreme but I do think she's very pragmatic.
Speaker 1: It's like a very black and white thing when she plays.
Speaker 3: Whereas the rest of us, even if we're trying to
Speaker 3: play with pragmatism, there's emotion gets involved, you know, like
Speaker 3: you said earlier, and he's like, if you feel a
Speaker 3: friend betrayed you, or if you feel this, or like
Speaker 3: the power dynamics was that, you know, there are feelings.
Speaker 3: Even of the most kind of like logical of us,
Speaker 3: feelings get involved in kind of muddy things up. And
Speaker 3: for her, even when feelings are involved, it's still pretty
Speaker 3: like cut and dry.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I hear that. I hear that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It was just interesting to watch because it was like
Speaker 8: a fall on intimidation technique, right. I was just like WHOA,
Speaker 8: And I wasn't there to see it, So like if
Speaker 8: I had been there, I would have. It's just like
Speaker 8: such an interesting thing to see and like almost debrief on.
Speaker 8: I would have loved to have debriefed on that in
Speaker 8: the moment and been like, yo, what Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was there to see it, and it was impressive.
Speaker 1: I you know, it was a masterful. I respect it.
Speaker 1: You'll do come to me with the list anytime. And
Speaker 1: I also think I'm glad I told her. Who would
Speaker 1: have thrown me in anyway?
Speaker 2: Yeah, lists can be problematic, so when we've seen that
Speaker 2: in more recent challenges.
Speaker 1: Yes, but yes, Mikayla was that who it was.
Speaker 3: Mikayla got voted off episode one because she wrote a
Speaker 3: list down and people found it, and then she tried
Speaker 3: to deny about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the girl was gone before.
Speaker 4: The looking through everything trying to find everything.
Speaker 2: I was at least trying to find evidence.
Speaker 1: Wait, you went through people's bags looking First off, I
Speaker 1: relax her bag.
Speaker 2: I looked in her bed area, and I may have
Speaker 2: peeked in an open pocket of a backpack. She's unware drawer,
Speaker 2: and I didn't do that. She kept everything in her backpack.
Speaker 2: She she didn't even I don't even know she There
Speaker 2: were so many people in that house. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if she had a drawer. Yeah, like there was
Speaker 2: just no no space for clothes. Yeah, but I did
Speaker 2: research and she actually was like, she was like, oh well,
Speaker 2: I fuck with you because you actually tried to find
Speaker 2: something to back up, you know, speculations, just like taking
Speaker 2: people's word for it. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 8: Who this Michaela like from Survivor Michaela? Yeah, ooh, I
Speaker 8: loved her Survivor.
Speaker 1: As a fan love you would have loved her in
Speaker 1: the half a episode she was in the challenge.
Speaker 8: To Yeah, we would have had at minutes.
Speaker 1: She got kicked. I hopefully she comes back because I
Speaker 1: don't think she got a fair shake to like, yeah, no, and.
Speaker 2: She she was good.
Speaker 4: She was right behind us in that first one.
Speaker 2: And if I would have gotten anything a little slower
Speaker 2: the puzzle wise, like she would have.
Speaker 7: She would have beat us.
Speaker 2: So it's just yeah, she's a good competitor and yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely definitely good for TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your other takes aways from this?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Oh well, okay, actually the breakdown of Camilla.
Speaker 2: So I know, I'm just hoping that I'm able to
Speaker 2: keep it together. I'm struggling to stay in the game.
Speaker 3: I still don't understand why she broke down so much
Speaker 3: going against Theresa in that it seemed out of care,
Speaker 3: like just's weird that she cried with the pole breath,
Speaker 3: like she just gave up.
Speaker 1: She literally just like she didn't have anything.
Speaker 7: I thinking on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, actually, like it was I was legitimately sad watching it,
Speaker 8: Like it was sad looking at her crying in the
Speaker 8: sand like that, Like so you were watching the manifestation
Speaker 8: of somebody like giving up.
Speaker 1: In a very low sense, and it was just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sad there it was. Yeah, it was because
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like you know, I mean people do eventually.
Speaker 3: One person loses gas in the tank, right, That's how
Speaker 3: someone gets eliminated every time, and and you can see
Speaker 3: it and there's but it seemed just like a break
Speaker 3: get like the real grumbling, which was.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if it was that fight or
Speaker 2: whatever else, had like taken a toll on her where
Speaker 2: she was like I don't think I can do this
Speaker 2: game period, you know. And I think she did leave
Speaker 2: at the right time. I forgot. We had a conversation
Speaker 2: after this the show, and she had said something to
Speaker 2: me so it could have been more than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching back Frank, who would you say, like from
Speaker 3: the Frank now looking at the characters that were then,
Speaker 3: who are the like three to five people that you
Speaker 3: think Frank now would have been or would be friends with,
Speaker 3: like like as they were, not whoever they are now,
Speaker 3: but just like you're sitting out as they were in
Speaker 3: the moment, Yeah, as they were in the moment.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think, I mean, y'all, we have fun,
Speaker 8: we did, say.
Speaker 7: John Nay, Johnny and I were always close.
Speaker 8: We always had a fun time and even in like
Speaker 8: you know, we like we shared stuff outside of the show,
Speaker 8: even up until this point, like we hit lows, we
Speaker 8: hit highs, we like did it together. And she's a
Speaker 8: great She's a loyal friend for sure. Like you can
Speaker 8: you can discount on whatever you'd like, but like, loyalty
Speaker 8: is certainly not one of.
Speaker 4: Them discounter on ship.
Speaker 2: She wanted to Yeah you know, yeah, I know it's amazing,
Speaker 2: Mama John.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, I so, I don't know. I think, like,
Speaker 8: if I'm honest with myself, I was always buddies with Isaac.
Speaker 8: I love him. I think it's hilarious, a sweetie, fun
Speaker 8: and like I just don't feel like he's got He doesn't.
Speaker 8: He doesn't have like a bad he doesn't have nothing
Speaker 8: insidious about him. He's just like I agree, he's like
Speaker 8: a fun seeking person, which is like a really affective thing.
Speaker 4: Do we remember.
Speaker 2: What Swift did to cause Isaac to put on all
Speaker 2: of Swift's clothes and get in the hot tub? Wait no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: wait no, what do you do he put I don't remember,
Speaker 2: but he put on Swift's You know how Swift would
Speaker 2: always come with like a blazer and like a scarf
Speaker 2: and ship, where are you going?
Speaker 4: We didn't get invited to.
Speaker 8: He was just like giving like literary realness.
Speaker 2: Every day. And then he did something to piss off
Speaker 2: and Isaac instead of being malicious like this wasn't mean spirited,
Speaker 2: but it was funny, put on his trousers, his his loafers,
Speaker 2: a shirt, maybe even a blazer, and then went and
Speaker 2: sat in our hot and then all on. And that's
Speaker 2: what kind of person Isaac is. So I love him
Speaker 2: and I miss him. Shout out to Isaac.
Speaker 8: Yeah great, I had a wild newars even him once
Speaker 8: in Mexico City, like truly one of the wildest nights
Speaker 8: of my life.
Speaker 7: It was, it was it was something for the books,
Speaker 7: and some of them we do not talk about on
Speaker 7: this podcasts like that you don't regret though, from looking
Speaker 7: back and seeing who I'd be friends with.
Speaker 8: Our regret not like trying to build a better relationship
Speaker 8: with Preston. And I think it's because, like you know,
Speaker 8: at the time, it was almost like there was only
Speaker 8: space for one queer reason, there's only space for one
Speaker 8: gay guy, like truly, like it always felt like that,
Speaker 8: it always felt like there was only enough air for
Speaker 8: one of us, and that like there was this weird
Speaker 8: unspoken competition that, you know something, someone had to be
Speaker 8: the dominant.
Speaker 7: And I just don't think that that.
Speaker 8: I think that narrative is far and gone from my
Speaker 8: life now, and I would have loved to have like
Speaker 8: developed a better relationship with them.
Speaker 2: Back in the day. That's really sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get that. Yeah, that is really sweet.
Speaker 8: That's a truth. I really do think about that.
Speaker 3: Frank, we didn't to circle back. There's no way to
Speaker 3: properly segue this, so I'm so going to it. What
Speaker 3: did your husband think when he watched on the show,
Speaker 3: because you said before he was like, Okay, I have
Speaker 3: to see it, So what did what did you think?
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I think he you know, like looking back
Speaker 9: to the lens, he was like sort of grossed out
Speaker 9: by like just the interactions in general.
Speaker 8: If I'm totally honest, He's just like I can't.
Speaker 9: Believe that these were issues that became so explosive or
Speaker 9: so like like gigantic. And as far as like my
Speaker 9: we only watched like an episode two, So as far
Speaker 9: as like my behavior went, and I gave him the
Speaker 9: worst of it, I wanted to show him like when
Speaker 9: I was at my worst behavior.
Speaker 8: He was just like, look your kid. Like he was like,
Speaker 8: I can see that you're a kid and you're mad.
Speaker 8: And I would be sad too if someone didn't like
Speaker 8: me because I was gay. Like this is wild, this
Speaker 8: is a crazy thing. And so it was like almost
Speaker 8: like sort of like validating to understand that, like my
Speaker 8: feelings were not necessarily incorrectly placed my the articulation of
Speaker 8: those feelings, the like flashing out, all of that can
Speaker 8: be fixed. And you know, I'm sort of happy that everything.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm incredibly happy with my life as it
Speaker 8: exists today, and I'm incredibly happy I did the show
Speaker 8: because I got the opportunity to like see those parts
Speaker 8: of me and work on them very you know, authentic,
Speaker 8: Like sure it's cut, chopped, edited, whatever, but like I
Speaker 8: still said, it didn't act that way, and then I
Speaker 8: can make authentic change in my real life based on
Speaker 8: that behavior. What a gift? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: What a gift?
Speaker 7: And like you said, sure my page is that not
Speaker 7: a right?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 7: Like my own life, I do my own thing. We
Speaker 7: go on nice, we go on nice drifts and nice things,
Speaker 7: nice shift all around us.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Now I can represent myself better and I can articulate
Speaker 8: how I feel better, and I'm not afraid of conflict.
Speaker 8: I engage in conflict, but I can do it with
Speaker 8: finesse now, and that's like such a gift, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh I love that.
Speaker 8: I love that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so is there anything else before we wrap and
Speaker 1: come back anytime?
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I know anything mean feels the same way,
Speaker 3: come back literally anytime you come next week, you can
Speaker 3: come anywek but.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap, if is there anything that you would
Speaker 1: want the listeners to know, just whether it is.
Speaker 3: Sort of the key lesson you've learned between that, young
Speaker 3: Frank then to where you are now, whether it's something
Speaker 3: that you want, you know, kind of a dress or
Speaker 3: that you've never had a chance to speak on regarding
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 1: Or if it's just a do you want to tell
Speaker 1: everybody to kick rocks with no socks and open toad shoes?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But what's the what is Frank's message
Speaker 1: to the people.
Speaker 8: Ooh, that's a big thing to you know, take your
Speaker 8: home up. But I would just say, like for us
Speaker 8: who were contestants on the show and reality TV, personality
Speaker 8: is for the castes exist today for the pass across
Speaker 8: a lot of reality shows. Just like approach stuff with love, y'all,
Speaker 8: Like we are people, we are learning, We are putting
Speaker 8: ourselves out there to learn so that you can learn
Speaker 8: from us too, Like there are so there's so many
Speaker 8: opportunities on reality TV. It is such an insanely cool forum.
Speaker 8: As again it's like Chopped and Screwed or whatever as
Speaker 8: it is you catch authentic moments that like no screenwriter
Speaker 8: as good as they could be, could ever write and
Speaker 8: like that's magic, man, Like even in these competition shows,
Speaker 8: you really do you'll catch it that Like you would
Speaker 8: never think watching up Paul's drag race you catch it
Speaker 8: that you would never think that could like radically change
Speaker 8: your life.
Speaker 1: And I think just.
Speaker 8: Approach stuff with love and understand that, like for the
Speaker 8: most part, we're growing, we're changing, and we're adapting to
Speaker 8: the things that we see too. So like you don't
Speaker 8: got to remind us that we were shith heads. We know,
Speaker 8: we know where shit heads, and we're making it and
Speaker 8: we're doing the work.
Speaker 2: At hope we are.
Speaker 8: I hope, I hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, some of some of us are doing the work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, beautifully said, beautifully said Nina. You have to continue.
Speaker 4: You need more time with Frank.
Speaker 8: I would love to get drinks with y'all if we're.
Speaker 4: Yes, Listen, I went to Austin once. It was brief.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a great trip. I hated it, so I
Speaker 4: have to come back.
Speaker 8: And come back. I got space and I got our
Speaker 8: pool is almost done, almost almost been almost done for
Speaker 8: about ten months, but it's almost done.
Speaker 4: I kind of get harassed by your by your dogs,
Speaker 4: and that's it. I'm happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and dance pretty dance pretty great to y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your husband, Yes, tell Dan, we're the normal
Speaker 1: ones were.
Speaker 4: That would be fun.
Speaker 1: We should my maid of honor is in he was
Speaker 1: in Austin actually, so yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 8: It's a great city. It's really fun. Y'all come to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will all be that now. For those I
Speaker 1: know he's picking up a y'all.
Speaker 2: Those want to keep up with.
Speaker 1: Doctor Fox, where can they find you on social Oh I'm.
Speaker 8: A little I'm also Twitter. I'm on Twitter.
Speaker 7: I just don't really happen so on Twitter, I'm still watching.
Speaker 8: I'm still like maybe giving you a little like commentary
Speaker 8: around housewives every now and then on Twitter, and then
Speaker 8: I'm definitely giving you some political commentary. But I'm mostly
Speaker 8: here for fun, mama, So like, I'm not really doing
Speaker 8: all hell of a lot on social media right now.
Speaker 8: But but you can still follow me on Twitter if
Speaker 8: you'd like, and you'll get a tweet about politics every
Speaker 8: other week.
Speaker 1: What's your Twitter handle?
Speaker 7: For those who don't know, it's just Frank Sweeney Fox.
Speaker 1: There you go, Frank Sweeney Fox. For those who also
Speaker 1: just want to send your love and say that they
Speaker 1: miss you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I've listen. I've never said I never said
Speaker 8: I would not go back. I'm not. It's not a
Speaker 8: it's not forever.
Speaker 4: Let me know, so I can possibly show up.
Speaker 8: Maybe we're doing it together.
Speaker 4: You know, I got, I got.
Speaker 1: This time.
Speaker 4: But we're drinking wine and talking.
Speaker 7: Ship together, like taking B twelve in the back, just.
Speaker 2: Like right right right, literally, I have mine by Monday, Sunday,
Speaker 2: crew Saturday. That's how it's lined up, a M P
Speaker 2: M vitamins. Thank you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah, it's gotta happen. No, no, I've never
Speaker 8: ruled it out.
Speaker 3: It would be fun, agreed, Agreed, Frank as expected. This
Speaker 3: is such a delight and touch and joy and it
Speaker 3: can't be this long again. We can't make it this long.
Speaker 1: And I will own my part in it and not
Speaker 1: keeping in touch because it's so great to talk to you.
Speaker 7: It's really great.
Speaker 8: Congratulations, like have the best, absolute best wedding. And he said,
Speaker 8: so thank you to see you and my partner and
Speaker 8: I would go back to Philly. We're gonna, we're gonna, yes, yes,
Speaker 8: good luck this weekend.
Speaker 1: Thank you, love you bye. Oh time with Francis. How
Speaker 1: lovely it's been so long, My goodness, I love these rewatches.
Speaker 1: It's cool to like talk to people who we've not
Speaker 1: heard from in a very long time, Anissa, for people
Speaker 1: who don't want it to be a long time between
Speaker 1: when they hear from you. Those who want to follow
Speaker 1: you on social where can they find you?
Speaker 2: I'm still on Twitter and you probably have been adding me,
Speaker 2: but I still can't log in, and you know what,
Speaker 2: I've had some thrilling couple of months, so uh, don't
Speaker 2: follow me there. But you can follow me on Instagram
Speaker 2: at Anissa MTV. That's a N E E s A
Speaker 2: MTV on Instagram. I still can't change my name there either,
Speaker 2: but that's where you can find me.
Speaker 1: But at least what it's consistent that they can find you.
Speaker 1: At least it's not judging. I'm consistent, that's true, That
Speaker 1: is true.
Speaker 4: And where can they find Where can they find all things?
Speaker 2: Den?
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