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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old episodes with all new commentary,

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Speaker 2: updates and insights.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episode seventy four, which we named Jews

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Speaker 1: Versus Catholics.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out, not to say this episode came

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Speaker 2: out on June twenty second, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I'm so surprised when I saw that, leam. Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the intro of episode seventy four.

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Speaker 5: Molly, you a danger girl, Stay sexy.

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Speaker 3: You're talking murder.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to my favorite murder, to my favorite murder, your favorite.

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Speaker 3: Murder podcast. Little I regret saying that. Leave it in. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if nian's ever said this, but fuck

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Speaker 3: the haters.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is a new idea I know.

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Speaker 2: And do you mean the social media haters? Everyone? Just

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Speaker 2: any hater, any haters, they are going to hate. They're

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Speaker 2: going to hell. That's what you're going to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe in Hell. Now new update on the podcast. Oh, Neat,

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Speaker 3: you're catholic now now I'm catholic. Cools like that. How's

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Speaker 3: it been hard?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right, it's so I'm suddenly belcrow everything I've ever done

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Speaker 1: in my life.

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Speaker 2: You feel guilty for things other people have done. I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't know much guilty. I shouldn't have let them do that,

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Speaker 2: even though I didn't know them.

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Speaker 3: When I was a child, Yes, I used to think about.

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Speaker 2: How disappointed Jesus was in me and get so sad,

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Speaker 2: and then I'd just be like, how am I? I

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Speaker 2: can never make good on that? No, how am I

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Speaker 2: going to make good on this?

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Speaker 3: What the How the fuck?

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Speaker 2: Here's how I'll make good on it. I'll go into

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Speaker 2: a dark room and talk to a man behind a

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Speaker 2: screen about the specifics of what makes me a bad person.

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Speaker 3: I'm eight.

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Speaker 1: He sounds legit, he sounds like a good guy who's

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Speaker 1: helping people.

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Speaker 2: The whole system seems really like a humanitarian like kind

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Speaker 2: of they're trying on you people, but you guys just

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Speaker 2: keep failing them. These guys behind the screen, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're they're like, what am I here for?

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Speaker 1: You should come in one we you can be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Yeah, but you just keep bringing stealing shit

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Speaker 1: from your sister?

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Speaker 3: Am I right? Did you do them her? Impure thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, stealing from my sister, stealing from my My

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Speaker 2: dad always had a coin jar in the closet.

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Speaker 3: How were you He put it in there so you

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Speaker 3: could be a child, right and steal from it. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of what they're for.

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Speaker 2: But I would actually take it to coinstart, changed it

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Speaker 2: in for eighty dollars and then holy really, I.

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Speaker 1: Stole from my sister, like those stupid little like children's

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Speaker 1: lockers that they would have.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I would open it and I would steal

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Speaker 1: her money, and I would go across the street and

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Speaker 1: buy pieces and a squeeze it. And I've never felt

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Speaker 1: guilty about it one day in my life.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's the glory of Judaism. Oh, I'm giving it

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Speaker 2: an Italian. Oh, the Italian Jews are the best ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. That's great. No, they don't exist.

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Speaker 3: I was like, whoa kind of thing we get all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're castle of Italian food though. I mean I

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Speaker 2: think I love the mustache. Sorry, there you go, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Its good speaking of religion, I have something to read

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Speaker 1: to you. Okay, okay, remember last week I did like

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Speaker 1: I didn't occult killing. I did satan cult kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: It was intense. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And so I think, I mean, that's what you want

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Speaker 1: your story in one word, like it should be intense,

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Speaker 1: it's for sure. So I mentioned that it was a

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Speaker 1: and then moved on because I don't know how to explain, right,

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Speaker 1: And so someone explained it.

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Speaker 3: Oh minute, someone.

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Speaker 1: Sent an email to us, and I said, hey, Karen

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Speaker 1: and Georgia, I'd like to think that I'm a that

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty chill. Plus I'm a Satanist. Your last episode

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Speaker 1: cracked me up. So I thought i'd take the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to tell you a little bit about modern Satanism.

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Speaker 2: Skippers, don't skip skip, Skippers, you need this the most.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you'll fucking learn something, maybe you'll stop being of

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Speaker 2: the devil.

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Speaker 3: There are all kinds of Satanists.

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Speaker 1: The ones that believe in worship, the ones that believe

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Speaker 1: and worship the actual devil are not what you might

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Speaker 1: call mainstream Satanisms. More common Satanists more commonly you'll find

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Speaker 1: people who belong to the Church of Satan or the

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Speaker 1: Satanic Temple. I am member the Satanic Temple, and also

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Speaker 1: a local group called Satanic San Francisco. Like, good morning,

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Speaker 1: that's where Satanic San Francisco. Here's the local news.

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Speaker 3: That's where I lived when I lived in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: What neighborhood did you live in? This is fucking hell.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I only have eleven dollars and I

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Speaker 2: have to take the bus to two different jobs.

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Speaker 3: The bless did you take that?

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Speaker 2: The six sixty six come the one that went down Lincoln.

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Speaker 3: I think Dona twenty two, the.

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Speaker 2: One that basically the one that went diagonaltly across town.

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Speaker 2: Not the fun Satanic one, no way, the one that

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Speaker 2: smelled like feet.

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Speaker 3: You gotta think the Satanic bust smells like feet.

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Speaker 2: A all bit too though, right or candles?

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Speaker 1: Remember of the Satanic Temple St. Lulos, Satanic San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Our version of Satanism is what you might call an

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Speaker 1: as an atheistic religion. Most of us do not believe

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Speaker 1: in God nor by extension, the Devil. What we do

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Speaker 1: believe in is a personal autonomy, equal rights and the

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Speaker 1: separation of church and state. We've just co opted the

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Speaker 1: imagery created by mainstream, mostly Christian religions to represent our

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Speaker 1: opposition to some of the more oppressive beliefs. So when

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Speaker 1: some government office wants to put up a Ten Commandment

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Speaker 1: statue on public land, we'll.

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Speaker 3: Be there to ask for our.

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Speaker 1: Own Bahmet statue, met bapha met statue.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: After all, the government can't advocate for any one religion

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Speaker 1: thanks First Amendment, so they either have to represent all

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Speaker 1: Satanic Temple also has a strong feminist view, which also

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Speaker 1: Our emphasis on personal freedom also includes freedom over our bodies,

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Speaker 1: meaning a woman's right to choose is sacricyanct. They have

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Speaker 1: fun with their religion. They have pot lucks, they have

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Speaker 1: screenings of movies like Rosemary's Babies. They have letter writing

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Speaker 1: campaigns where they curse the Trump's Trump's cabinet. We might

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Speaker 1: attention of those who do, and even a book club.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we're reading a book about the.

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Speaker 1: Satanic Panic in the nineteen nineties, which Son's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: So it's obvious why most of our members are also murderinos.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for a wonderful show that is funny and fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Stay sex, you don't get murdered and something Satanas.

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Speaker 2: Probably hail or something, Yeah, Hail Satan, I say something

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Speaker 2: like that, Simone.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Simone, thank you for providing information. But I think

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Speaker 2: that's like such a clear in the in the Satanic

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Speaker 2: Panic days when the Church of Satan, which have being

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Speaker 2: like that letter makes me so happy because really it's

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Speaker 2: a political group and what they're saying is this country

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Speaker 2: chooses a religion that they're going to represent and not others,

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Speaker 2: that means that people who aren't in that religious group

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Speaker 3: And so it's it's actually kind of bad assy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, everything about that is super bad assy,

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Speaker 2: but I mean and at the same time, I only

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Speaker 2: can think of my aunt Mary, the nun, who would

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Speaker 3: And she wouldn't be saying that saying Latin prayers over

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Speaker 2: Although but no, but she actually might be going. I

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Speaker 2: can see their point. She's the most fair, lovely person ever.

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Speaker 1: But well, when I said sayings are actually cool, that's

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Speaker 1: what I meant. Yeah, last week I love but I

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Speaker 2: They're kind of humanists that are being anarch aren't anarchists.

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Speaker 3: And they're using I mean, it's almost like they're really

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Speaker 1: So I'm happy that that got sent because I think

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have a couple. Let's see, Well, these are

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Speaker 2: the tweets we've gotten of, Like this is now mirror

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Speaker 2: corrections corner where people are correct giving us the corrections

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Speaker 2: and we're just reading that right. Yeah, Boons Farm, was

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Speaker 2: the wine you were trying to think of?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say mine was that if you had

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Speaker 1: guessed arbor mixed that's fine. But what I actually remember? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I got this on all platforms, all social

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Speaker 3: You had a telegram at the front door. It is

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Speaker 3: the wine Arbor.

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Speaker 1: Miss, Elvis took a shit and it just said Arbor

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Speaker 1: Miss and those shit.

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Speaker 3: That was really weird.

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Speaker 1: But yes, if you guessed boons Farm, you were correct

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Speaker 1: of the weird wine.

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Speaker 3: Like I couldn't remember.

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Speaker 1: And so many people wrote like I was screaming boons

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Speaker 1: Farm when you said, I bet people are screaming whatever

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's true. Yeah, that one really had a

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Speaker 3: ripple effect so many because everyone has been hungover ye

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Speaker 2: Yes, because the sugar content is like fifty percent, it's

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Speaker 2: some horrible thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do you expect me to like purple wine?

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Speaker 2: Well? And also, if you drank purple wine when you're

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Speaker 3: Sure, so we're everything's fine, okay, go on.

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Speaker 2: Maraga is the city that is in the hills near

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Speaker 2: Oakland and near Berkeley, and blah blah blah that Adrian

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Speaker 2: actually just texted me because she just listened to that

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Speaker 2: like right before I pulled up here was dude, are

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Speaker 3: It's Maraga And I was like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because still haven't I still haven't heard of it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but I absolutely know it, and I think we probably

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Speaker 3: That's ours. Don't fucking steal it. Yeah, we made that.

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Speaker 2: It actually turns out in nineteen forty seven, Dorothy Parker

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Speaker 3: Sorry, that was all for me. I just thought i'd

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Speaker 1: Oh, we have a present to give. Oh, next right

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Speaker 2: Stephen Ray Morris has been working for us on the

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Speaker 3: That's why we fucking hired Stephen. That's right, You're supposed

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Speaker 1: So when we brought your walking papers in the form

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's like it's so big, it's huge. Let him

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. I'm like, and Elvis rips it up. Elvis,

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Speaker 2: Thank Stephen, look at it and want we're on camera reaction. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: He's like, I can't pay rent this month.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. Oh I can totally pay rent. Okay,

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Speaker 1: You, thank you for paying you the money that we

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Speaker 3: Proba my god.

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Speaker 1: And this check is so heavy to see that ADP,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, who's our When I got first

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Speaker 3: He was like, I can help you with anything you did.

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Speaker 3: Was like, I don't know how fucking thing. Yeah, they

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy we went through them.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Steve, so and it is Steve.

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Speaker 3: We're golden.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, amsche probably does.

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Speaker 3: Now what if he has like he's the exact opposite

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Speaker 7: We're going to become best friends.

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Speaker 1: Or what if it's actually Stephen he has to get

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Speaker 1: And he's just like, no, it's me. Let me show

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Speaker 3: To do this word for a word, we'll do everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, about six months, we'll see you again with

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Speaker 7: Yay, yay.

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Speaker 2: You're on your own schedule to be employed like a

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Speaker 3: It's very exciting that you are a part of our team. Stephen.

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Speaker 2: You really help us so much and save us so

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Speaker 7: Yes, no, this is my favorite thing to do in

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Speaker 3: Yay, more than the per cast. You have to say yay.

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Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, you gotta clean now out in there? Cool

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Speaker 1: I got real depressed yesterday, like when we were like

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's only bad news now, Oh my god. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's terrible, terrible news.

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Speaker 3: It's how they make their money.

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Speaker 2: They do not make money with their This dog is

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Speaker 2: They only stay around to either have their fears confirmed

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Speaker 3: That's just what the news is. So you have to

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Speaker 2: is we're in a transitional phase where power is being

445
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Speaker 2: taken back or taken away, and it seems slow and

446
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Speaker 2: it seems like maybe it won't change, but it will change,

447
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: and it is changing and you have to believe it's

448
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Speaker 2: changing so that you can continue trying, because that's the

449
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Speaker 2: most important thing is is you know, it feels like

450
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: sometimes the setup is they're trying to get people to quit,

451
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Speaker 2: they're trying to get people to turn.

452
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Speaker 3: Against each other.

453
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Speaker 2: And the other day, like there's a million we could

454
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Speaker 2: talk about the police shootings, we could talk about fucking

455
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: Bill Cosby, we could talk about politics of all kinds,

456
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Speaker 2: we get whatever, attacks on Muslim children, I.

457
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Speaker 3: Mean, like this so fucked.

458
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: But the other day somebody just posted the picture of

459
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Speaker 2: hundreds of people in London walking with flowers to put

460
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Speaker 2: them down. Where at the at the most recent place

461
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Speaker 2: where a Muslim was attacked.

462
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Speaker 3: The mosque where they drove. I drove into that drove

463
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Speaker 3: the van.

464
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Speaker 2: And what I think people are starting to understand is

465
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Speaker 2: when things like that happen, everybody else needs to stand

466
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Speaker 2: up and show the world, no, this is not what

467
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Speaker 2: we want. Like it's the uh, just being being quiet

468
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 2: isn't working anymore. Like people have to make a stand

469
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Speaker 2: and show that there is another force working.

470
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Speaker 3: And we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: All of this at work, and at one point I

472
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Speaker 2: just said, I'd like to remind everybody about the Women's March,

473
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Speaker 2: because that was millions of men and women, but mostly

474
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Speaker 2: women in their hats all around the world, standing up

475
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Speaker 2: and going. And that's you know, that's just try to remember.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to keep that attitude of.

477
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: Positivity, and then if you can't, just make sure that

478
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Speaker 2: you're not in.

479
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Speaker 3: Taking that you're balanced out.

480
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Speaker 2: It's like the turn off the news and turn on

481
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Speaker 2: Bob's Burgers or something else that's going to make you happy.

482
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: Baskets, which is like depressing, but like so good.

483
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Speaker 4: Started.

484
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Speaker 3: I started binge watching it last night in a way

485
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Speaker 3: that was like, oh, I'm going to be gone all

486
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Speaker 3: doing this all weekend. Yeah, period, it's so good, so good,

487
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: and you're right on it.

488
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Speaker 1: I know you're on this. You're right on the second season.

489
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Speaker 1: It was gonna start ray. I can't wait to watch

490
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Speaker 1: your episode. We were in a meeting recently and someone

491
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Speaker 1: found out that you had written this certain They were

492
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Speaker 1: talking about this certain episode and they found that you

493
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Speaker 1: write it.

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Speaker 3: They almost hearted crying. It's like, I'm so proud of you,

495
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Speaker 3: so cool, thank you. It's exciting.

496
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Speaker 2: It's the one thing that is worth uh having two

497
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Speaker 2: jobs for.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if it was any other show, I'd be like,

499
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Speaker 3: what the fuck, Karen, you don't need this? And it's like,

500
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Speaker 3: why are you right? Family feud?

501
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Speaker 2: This is like I love those questions because there's so

502
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Speaker 2: many questions. I take the polls. I'm the one that

503
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Speaker 2: goes out in the streets on the street. It's right,

504
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Speaker 2: but I guess of all places.

505
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Speaker 3: And it's really hot.

506
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Speaker 2: I like to go out into the street and ask

507
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Speaker 2: people what's the weirdest place? Well?

508
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Speaker 3: I steaking of positivity? Should we talk about murder? Yeah,

509
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Speaker 3: let's let's keep it on an up note. Yeah, I

510
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Speaker 3: think you're first.

511
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Speaker 2: I think I am, and I think I was supposed

512
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Speaker 2: to be last week. Did you hear about those give

513
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Speaker 2: me that check back.

514
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Speaker 3: Yeah, give me that check We're ripping this up in

515
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Speaker 3: front of your face. Is chewing it up? Thank you?

516
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Speaker 3: Oh oh, we have to mention if you are not

517
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Speaker 3: a Skipper and you did hear the you went to

518
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Speaker 3: listen to the podcast and in the beginning you were like, Okay,

519
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: this is the theme song I was listening to every week,

520
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: and then it wasn't the theme song and it was

521
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Speaker 3: some fucking magic moment. That's right.

522
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Speaker 1: So if your skipper go back and listen again, because

523
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Speaker 1: the theme song this week of My Favorite Murder.

524
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Speaker 2: Is an amazing it's Georgia's Early Rave Days meets meets

525
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Karen Song meets Forensic Files meets my song.

526
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Speaker 1: It's a remix of the My Favorite Murder theme which

527
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Speaker 1: is amazing, and it's written by Yogi's that's correct.

528
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Speaker 3: So if you go on what's what's the.

529
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Speaker 1: Channel that they go on to Steve World, If you

530
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Speaker 1: go on SoundCloud, it's why do oh g Z?

531
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Speaker 3: Right now, what's this channel that the children put their

532
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Speaker 3: music on?

533
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Speaker 1: No, Stephen, yes, this is this is what was the Oh,

534
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Speaker 1: this is Satanic San Francisco Stellus.

535
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Speaker 4: What's this thing going?

536
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Speaker 3: Stephen's our tech wiz.

537
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Speaker 7: This brand new theme song by Yogi.

538
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Speaker 3: Yogi's yog Z on SoundCloud. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you

539
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Speaker 3: so much. Have I lost my one when I heard it?

540
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Speaker 3: We left so hard. It's so brilliantly done. Thank you.

541
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Speaker 3: What an honor.

542
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Speaker 1: I just don't even remember when I said that thing

543
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Speaker 1: about ghosts in the middle of.

544
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Speaker 3: You know, Mullumn, which I just love. She ever hears

545
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Speaker 3: what you said and.

546
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Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, that's I'd like that girl.

547
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Speaker 3: Be yourself. Yes you should. She's great. She's really great.

548
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: See, we didn't have guilt and Catholicism in Judaism.

549
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 3: We had You're fucking great and Judaism.

550
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Speaker 1: You're so cool. Really there's guilt, but no, we dig ourselves.

551
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: We love hearing ourselves talk. We're great now.

552
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: I just like to quickly go back to Steven's crutching corner.

553
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: I felt like he was really about to spill it.

554
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Speaker 7: Oh go Steven, No, I mean I I just I

555
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 7: got excited and I was like, George's first, that's that

556
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Speaker 7: was on me.

557
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Speaker 3: This is a rare mistake from Stephen Raymore.

558
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: It almost never happens, It really doesn't unless we just don't.

559
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Speaker 7: I've been flogging myself since speaking just like Da Vinci code.

560
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Speaker 1: Style, we might need to use one of the three

561
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Speaker 1: tools that people have given us at live shows to

562
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Speaker 1: check when it's our turn.

563
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well there's ones like an abacus. One's like

564
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Speaker 3: a rock that you flip, you flip it. Yep, there's

565
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Speaker 3: so many. Yeah, it's pretty great.

566
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Speaker 2: Really beautiful handcrafted tools that we've never looked at since

567
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Speaker 2: they were given to us.

568
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Speaker 1: Listen, one day, I'm going to go up in that

569
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Speaker 1: fucking podcast loft that's hot as shit and clean it

570
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: and organize it and it's gonna beautiful. I let my

571
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Speaker 1: one and a half year old niece nephew, what's a nephew,

572
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: that's a boy, go up there, and he like picked

573
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Speaker 1: up this like cute knit thing that's someone made of Elvis,

574
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Speaker 1: and I was like, you can fucking keep that, like

575
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Speaker 1: but in a good way because it was so cool,

576
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Speaker 1: and he like went directly towards it and was like

577
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: held it and then like carried it around the house

578
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the day.

579
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Speaker 2: And I was someone made us And it's actually been

580
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Speaker 2: a couple people. It's probably it's the same style, but

581
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: I've given us knit versions little versions of ourselves.

582
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Speaker 3: Keep meaning to post.

583
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Speaker 2: This at live shows, and my dogs walk around with

584
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: Georgia in their mouths all day and it's so hilarious

585
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: and sometimes so happy. I take pictures because George does

586
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Speaker 2: a thing where she's laying down and George is like

587
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Speaker 2: a big lab. Right yeah, she's half lab, halfhound, so

588
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Speaker 2: she is.

589
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Speaker 3: She's a weirdo. She looks weird, but she what she likes.

590
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: To do is if she's feeling lazy, she'll have a

591
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: toy in her mouth and she just flips it up

592
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: in the air and catches it.

593
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Speaker 3: That's like he s down. Yes, so she's so.

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Speaker 2: I have a picture series that I sent to Georgia

595
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: of George flipping Georgia.

596
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: Up in the air and catching.

597
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Speaker 1: And George is a girl, right yeah, Okay, I'm going

598
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: to post it like a scroll thing on Instagram. I

599
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: know I keep saying I'm gonna do shit on Instagram.

600
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Speaker 3: But I'm really good. It made me so happy to

601
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Speaker 3: see that. You know what.

602
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Speaker 1: The reason I didn't post is I couldn't find the

603
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Speaker 1: girl who made that toy, right.

604
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to credit her. But I'll figure it out.

605
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: All the people and we do talk to people in

606
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: real time when we're being given things, but we really

607
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: do love them and we really do.

608
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: Keep them, and they're in boxes and stuff, even though

609
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: like weird shit people bring us.

610
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: That's just like I didn't know what to bring you,

611
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: so I got you this like sticker from my town.

612
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: And she's just like, fucking thank you. We still have

613
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Speaker 2: I still. I was just telling my sister this. When

614
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Speaker 2: we were in I'm.

615
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: Pretty sure it was Seattle.

616
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Speaker 2: A guy gave me his Costco card and goes, look

617
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Speaker 2: at what look at how evil I look.

618
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Speaker 3: In my picture on my Costco card And I was like,

619
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Speaker 3: oh my god, you look fairly evil.

620
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: And I handed back and he goes, no, no, that's

621
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Speaker 2: for you, And I still I keep it. It's right

622
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: on my desk. It just sits right next to me,

623
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: right where I type shit. So you know, we have

624
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: you with us.

625
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: But that makes me want to cry, like we're just

626
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: it's so funny and happy and lucky and I'm so stoked.

627
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: We're having a good time. Everybody listen, sorry to be

628
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: so stuck up. Sorry into ourselves.

629
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Speaker 1: And I'm Jewish and I think I'm pretty neat.

630
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Speaker 2: I always wanted to be Jewish, ever since I saw

631
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: The Goodbye Girl and Quinn Cummings, I was like, that

632
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: is that's who I was supposed to be. I was

633
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: born in the wrong body, i was born in the

634
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Speaker 2: wrong family. I'm supposed to be the child of a

635
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Speaker 2: divorced mother in Manhattan.

636
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think Catholics, Catholics, and Juice are very

637
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities in the families there. So

638
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: you just need to fucking take my cockiness a little bit.

639
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to and like just lit.

640
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: A couple of things. I'm gonna take a half a

641
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: cup year cockyness.

642
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: My mother always told me that Jewish men and Irish

643
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Catholic women are the best combination because yeah, they're both

644
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: matriarchal societies, and so a lot of other men get

645
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: very offended by how bossy and controlling we are as

646
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: Irish Catholic women.

647
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: But which is a che friend like.

648
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Speaker 1: It because I think Jewish women were raised that way too,

649
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: which is why and we think we're badasses.

650
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: So when I meet a Jewish man, I'm like, fuck

651
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: you, you're so fucking cocky, Like, I don't like it.

652
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: I've never dated a Jewish guy then is fucking atheist?

653
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: Whatever and I could so I could see that like

654
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Speaker 1: an appreciation there.

655
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's a nice mix. This has

656
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: been Catholic Jew talk. We're gonna cut all this out,

657
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: going to send everyone next.

658
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Week Buddhism and we're back. We're really getting into the

659
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: taboo cultural conversations on this podcast back in twenty seventeen,

660
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Speaker 2: I'm not afraid.

661
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to like start getting into the suck

662
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Speaker 1: of it all, and it seems like we're still there.

663
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Speaker 2: It seems like it's gotten more. Just like the people

664
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Speaker 2: who study fascism told us it was going to crazy that.

665
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: But I was actually talking about just even saying Jews

666
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: versus Catholics, like it's a very at this point, such

667
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: a sensitive and you know, touchy topic. I don't know,

668
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: it's just such a we you know, everything is like

669
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: that these days, and so even just saying the word

670
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: seems to be like somehow inflammatory, even though I'm talking

671
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: about myself and you're talking about yourself.

672
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what else is inflammatory is the name

673
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: soup plantation.

674
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, first and foremost, like let's get

675
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: that out there.

676
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't exist anymore except there is one

677
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: location of Sweet Tomatoes, which is the name they changed

678
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: it to in Tucson, Arizona.

679
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: That's right.

680
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: Oh so Mimi's like, God, damn it. I mean, if

681
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: you want to do a road trip to the Tucson

682
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Sweet Tomatoes, I would do that one thousand persons.

683
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: Me.

684
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm down for sure. Why aren't we doing a

685
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: live show there? Just for that reason?

686
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: Inside the Sweet Tomatoes like up by the Croutons.

687
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: Have you been to Sizzler lately?

688
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: Though?

689
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: It's got the same the salad Bar's got the same vibe.

690
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: If you like, really miss it, I recommend.

691
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: Really the thing I really loved about.

692
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: I remember going to the Sizzler with my boyfriend back

693
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: in you know, must have been nineteen ninety nine or something.

694
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: Oh, that's your date with your boyfriend. That's cute.

695
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: It was a fun date to go to the Sizzler

696
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: on Highland.

697
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: Guess I remember that one.

698
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: It's so stuffy and weird and dark.

699
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: But when I went up to the salad Bar, which

700
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: is a thing I've always really had a love for,

701
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: They're just it's just such a random you can make

702
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: it exactly how you want. Like for Children of the seventies.

703
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: We never got to do that with anything. It was like,

704
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: either eat the snickers the way it was given, Nobody's

705
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: going to make a different version the way you like it.

706
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: Like that didn't exist back then.

707
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: And so this idea that like you got to just

708
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: go and make the exact salad you wanted and you

709
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: didn't have to just eat it even though there were

710
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: onions on it or whatever things and.

711
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: Stuff like you didn't want that, but shut up and

712
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: eat it.

713
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: But shut up and eat it.

714
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: And now you it was like, you decide you want

715
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: nacho cheese on that salad?

716
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: Enjoy?

717
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: My god?

718
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Why doesn't that happen? Might be the best idea. What

719
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of dressing do you want?

720
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: Nacho cheese? Hot nacho cheese with green peppers in it?

721
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 4: Karen?

722
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: Have I done it?

723
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: You did it? A little bit of bacon bits on top.

724
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, but I'm going to sidebar us for one second,

725
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: because have I ever told you about that salad that

726
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: I keep chasing that I used to eat in like

727
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: the two thousands, And the restaurant closed, and it was

728
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: actually an independent restaurant in Los Angeles, So once it closed,

729
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: the salad was gone.

730
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: Forever was it?

731
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: It was rome let Us And what I just realized

732
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: is gorgonzola cheese, which I thought it was goat cheese

733
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: this whole time. So I've tried to remake it at home,

734
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: and last night I just had an Italian restaurant.

735
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: So this is the worst podcast. I just realized fascism

736
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: like what we have to recap.

737
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I'd rather do it salads, Like right, I hate salads

738
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: and I'd rather talk about fucking salads than anything else.

739
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: Then talk about how what's it like between twenty seventeen

740
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: and now where it's like, oh, we didn't do anything

741
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: about the big national joke and now the big national

742
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: joke is stealing people off the street and disappearing in them.

743
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: For real, So for real.

744
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: So it's salads.

745
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: So I'll say this, romaine lettuce chopped almost like ribbon sliced,

746
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, gorgonzola, deep fried onion strings, and then

747
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: a balsamic reduction dressing.

748
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: That sounds so easy, but getting those specific ones are

749
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: probably hard.

750
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, and yes, completely plus pollentic creutons, so deep

751
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: fried squares of polenta as croutons. I've never heard of

752
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: that before the combination of those items is so delicious.

753
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: If you can make any of those things at home,

754
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: and you're if you can hear my voice right now

755
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: out in the landscape, make yourself that salad, and please

756
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: tell us how you made deep fried pullentic croutons, because

757
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: I've tried many a time, not deep fried, but I've

758
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: tried to fry some up myself in I can't do it.

759
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: What about the air fryer. I feel like that might work.

760
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, these days, that's true.

761
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: Maybe just cube them up and put them in an

762
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: air fryer for like, maybe for two longs, so they

763
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: really get hard and crispy on the outside.

764
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: We go, we've solved fascism.

765
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: Nobody be unhappy anymore. Okay, because we talked about salad.

766
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: Oh my god, i'mon rings on a salad.

767
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm just I'll stand by for the rest of my

768
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: fucking life.

769
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: No, no, she's some real hot salad on an on

770
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: an iceberg lettuce, the kind that can really old hold

771
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: hot dressing.

772
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, say it. It's so exciting, it's so disgusting.

773
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: The reason made me think of it is because at.

774
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: The Highland Sizzler, when I went up to get my salad,

775
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: there was so much nacho cheese in the salad mix

776
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: that I was like, should we start over with the

777
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: salad because I think someone really dragged the ladle across

778
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: the actual lettuce part. You know.

779
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, wow, Yeah, I think we did it.

780
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 3: Goodbye. I think that's I think we should get into

781
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: your story. I think that's it.

782
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 4: Great. Now, let's get into Karen's story about the carbon

783
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: coffee murders.

784
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: So it's me this week. Yay, Okay, give it to me.

785
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my sweaty fucking ass on this leather

786
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: couch comfortable.

787
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, slide your ass around and really find your space

788
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: in this world.

789
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: I so have a job again.

790
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: When I do my murders, I usually do them. I

791
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: have to do them quickly. Okay, I'm sorry, but the

792
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: pose you're in right now helping you is just helping you.

793
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 3: Remind George, just facing me.

794
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: On the couch with one leg up there as if

795
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm her gynecologist, and it's.

796
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: Just that I have a pillow. It's exactly no that

797
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: you're blocking it entirely.

798
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: But it's exactly like that scenes from Girls when she's

799
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: at surf camp and she just pulls the bathing suiticide.

800
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: My sons are pussy favorite scene.

801
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time and definitely, And

802
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm also wearing like like nineteen seventies was just called

803
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: like a onesie short shorts. So I move this pillow,

804
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: it would be fits over, it would be over.

805
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: I love that scene. You move that pillow. We're bestie,

806
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: best We're best friends. Don't think I wouldn't do because

807
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: something about juesus.

808
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: We have no fucking shape naked, We're just always naked.

809
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: Can I tell that story of on your wedding night

810
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: so I don't remember talking about it?

811
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: Go over? Oh yeah, can I?

812
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: I have no secret you don't care on Georgie's wedding

813
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: night and this was like I don't even know what

814
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: tool it was. When you guys went back to your room.

815
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: Obviously it was probably two thirty in the morning.

816
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: I was already I had already gone back to my

817
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: room and gone to bed. I look at my phone

818
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: and Georgia had texted me a picture of herself.

819
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Well, here, can I explain the w so A bunch

820
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: so we after the wedding was over, we went to,

821
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: like you know, to a little after party thing, and

822
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: like I guess, a bunch of you guys, my girlfriends

823
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: had snuck into our hotel room and decorated it all

824
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: cute and put candles and like that wasn't that was you?

825
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: And put like, uh, but you had helped me with

826
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: the wedding too, And.

827
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: Because I just don't want to take credit for put.

828
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Wrote, you made my bouquet that's sitting right over there,

829
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: that's right, put rose pedals and a hard like just

830
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: just some really cute, sweet like shit. That and that

831
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: whole day made me think how like there was so

832
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: much help from so many girlfriends, and it made me

833
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: so fucking it was so wonderful. And so I got

834
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: back and saw that and started crying immediately.

835
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: So then and she had already.

836
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Taken her dress off, which means she was topless entirely,

837
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: like she doesn't wear a foundation garment, our girl Georgia.

838
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: So she's texted me a picture of.

839
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: Herself, topless, crying with like her wedding, you still had

840
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: something in your hair for your wedding.

841
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 3: I texted that to maybe ten of my girlfriends.

842
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: And I had glitter because we had glitter in the

843
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: fucking photo, and so it was just glitter stuck.

844
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: To my entire body.

845
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting on the bed crying and so I

846
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: don't care a bunch of you guys have a topless.

847
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: Photo of me naked and crying on your wedding. Hell,

848
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: who fucking cares? Well done you? Yay, thank you? Can

849
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: you telling you that story? Okay?

850
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: So, because because I'm pushing off my homer to last minute,

851
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: I was going through you recommended to me Mysteries Abound,

852
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: which is it's an amazing podcast by an Australian guy

853
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: named Paul Rex.

854
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: It is the best He.

855
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: Reads articles out of really cool magazines and they're just

856
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 2: they're just interesting, fascinating wonders from around the world. Lot's

857
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: of stuff about aliens, that's the stuff about there's murder stuff,

858
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: there's just kind of general mysteries, some bits of nature

859
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 2: based so cool.

860
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: It's so good. But he has this amazing voice.

861
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 2: So like I've been listening to it on planes because

862
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: you travel so much and you get into that weird

863
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: travel stress mode.

864
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: So when I got onto a plane, I.

865
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: Put that podcast on and I can like go to

866
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: sleep or I can I just am like super relaxed.

867
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: So I've listened to all of them. I'm obsessed.

868
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: So so Also he is an independent podcaster, so you

869
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: can go on to just google Paul Res and mysteries abound.

870
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: He has another podcast called Origins like Origin Disease. Right,

871
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: I haven't heard any of that, but it's another thing

872
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: that seems fascinating definitely. But he when he reads his

873
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: articles says it's from this magazine or this website or

874
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: the source quotes clotal source, and I don't get it.

875
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: Really good idea.

876
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: And one of the one the websites he talks about

877
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: all the time is a website called Cool Interesting Stuff

878
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: dot com.

879
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that falling asleep cool from Cool Interesting

880
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 3: stuff dot com. This is from Cool Interesting stuff dot com.

881
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: I love it so uh but also give please give

882
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: Paul Rex money so that he keeps podcasting because it's

883
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: so such high quality, it's so good.

884
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: I did. I'm not just telling you too, I did,

885
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: so anyway, you gave him money.

886
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: I gave him money this morning nice because I was like,

887
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: I want to tell people to do it, but I

888
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: want to be I need to walk the walk ticket. Anyhow,

889
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: I went on to Cool Interesting Stuff because I was like, Okay,

890
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find I'm going to be able to get

891
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: something and get a murder because oftentimes if I leave

892
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: it till the day of the store.

893
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: It's the chronology that gets me.

894
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: There's so much information that you like, you know, you

895
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: want to pick a good one, but then they have There's.

896
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: Just so much stuff that you have to sit through

897
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: and you have to figure out the story you and

898
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: you can't just read like a news report on it

899
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: because that's not interesting. You have to tell I got

900
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: the same thing with mine this week, where it's like,

901
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: how do I end this or how do I like

902
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: make this exciting towards the end or yeah, make it

903
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: just yeah, yeah.

904
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: You have to you know, Sorry, I don't know, you

905
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: have to work on your podcast, Like write.

906
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: A story for your podcast seems bullshit. I'm like kind

907
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 3: of annoyed. I don't like it that much. Sorry, sorry, sorry,

908
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: But who said this? Was Homer? Who do you think

909
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: this is? Who do I think you are?

910
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: So?

911
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 3: Okay?

912
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Go on to Cool Interesting Stuff dot com okay, which also.

913
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 3: Seems like an independently produced thing.

914
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: It's all art, it's all articles and things.

915
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: It looks like somebody.

916
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: Is doing it out of their den, but someone's legitimately,

917
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: Like I think this is cool and interesting.

918
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Love it is it even real? Who knows?

919
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: So this is the story that I found that I

920
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: just love this and this kind of combines all my things.

921
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. It's called the carbon copy Murder. Have

922
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: you heard of it?

923
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: No?

924
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: What I would excited is Okay, that's so good. Okay,

925
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: I just read it to you.

926
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: So also, cool interesting Stuff dot Com is the only

927
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: source that I can quote because there's no individual writers

928
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: that I found, Like, there was no individual writer on

929
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: this article, and so a lot of this article it said, it's.

930
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: A chicken a den what let's just fell off the

931
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: fucking sorry because he fall asleep and then fall off

932
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: the couch. You're drunk.

933
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: It's probably one chicken her denight, Yes, exactly.

934
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 2: So if you work there or you know somebody, please

935
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: tell us who Cool interesting.

936
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Stuff dot Com. Tell us if you're working with Linda,

937
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 1: give us your last name, Lindo. We want to know Linda.

938
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: We want to support you. Okay, the carbon Copy Murders.

939
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: So on May twenty seventh, eighteen seventeen, at six point

940
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: thirty am, a labor on his way to work in Irnington, England.

941
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's how they pronounce it.

942
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: Nington, but I'm sure tell the England. I'm sure that's

943
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 3: all England. I don't know, I have you heard of it?

944
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: He sees a pile of bloodstained clothes near Penn's mill,

945
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: where we say that is if it's somewher, we know

946
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: what it's. Yeah, So he calls the police or gets

947
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: the police because it's eighteen seventeen. He calls out for

948
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: the police, please, and they search the area. They find

949
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: two sets of footprints, a big and a little, and

950
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: they follow them down to a flooded sand pit and

951
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: they then they dredge the sand pit and they find

952
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: the body of a local girl named Mary Ashford. Oh no,

953
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: so they start the cops start asking around and they

954
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: find out the story of what she had been doing

955
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: the night before. So it was a holiday called wit Monday,

956
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: and I looked it up, so it's basically it's a

957
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: Christian holiday fifty days for Easter. They kept calling it

958
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: on like the when I looked it up on Wikipedia

959
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: or whatever, they kept calling it Pentecost, which I'm like,

960
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is. And I'm like, a

961
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: lifelong Catholic, I've never heard of this before.

962
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist. If you know what it is me

963
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: the expert. So it's basically it sounds.

964
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: To me like it's like a last day of May,

965
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: I mean a last day of at the end.

966
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: Of spring, kind of for summer holiday.

967
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: And it's on a Monday, so it's basically an excuse

968
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: to have a long weekend, even back in eighteen seventeen. Yeah,

969
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: And so that night they were having a dance in

970
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: Erdington for wit Monday.

971
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: So Mary.

972
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: She had traveled from Erdington, her hometown, to Birmingham to

973
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: sell dairy protus.

974
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: At the local market. That's like what she did for

975
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: a living.

976
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: And then she had plans to meet up with her

977
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: friend Hannah Cox. She was going to go to Hannah's house,

978
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: change into her party dress and they were together going

979
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: to go to Whitson Tide, the Whitston Tide Dance is

980
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: what it was called for whit Monday. That was at

981
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: the Tyburn House Inn.

982
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: It was that night.

983
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: So she got to Hannah's house at six in the evening,

984
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: she changed into her new dress and then they went

985
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: to the dance together. She's twelve twenty twenty, Oh that's

986
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: a lot older. Okay, it's like eight years old. Yeah,

987
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 2: So they at the dance.

988
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: They have a great time.

989
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: She's very popular, well known girl. Mary is and so

990
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: they have lots of Maile and Myers at the dance.

991
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: But for the most part she had spent the evening

992
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: and the company of a young bricklayer named Abraham Thornton.

993
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: Get that bricklayer. My grandfather was a bricklayer. He was

994
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: the president of the Bricklayers Union in San Francisco.

995
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: My gosh, yeah, so that sound the two of them

996
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: together sounds like a fucking cover of a romance novel.

997
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Hot, the lady and the brick layer.

998
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's a If you lay bricks, then you

999
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: also keep your shirt.

1000
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: Unbuttoned to your navel.

1001
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: Definitely, and it is like more like a bricks slayer.

1002
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't know something, there's something there.

1003
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: Just like let it like roll around in your mop

1004
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: minds a little bit. So she's hanging out with Abe.

1005
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: Her friend Hannah is hanging out with a guy named

1006
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: Benjamin Carter. So the dance ends at midnight and the

1007
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: foursome leave, and Hannah and Benjamin are separated and Mary.

1008
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: So Hannah Benjamin go off this way and Mary and

1009
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: Abraham go off in another.

1010
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: Tifinitely leave your friend with the guy she doesn't know, right,

1011
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look it, they're adult, they're twenty. Yeah, they're

1012
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: at a dance. Good times, great oldies. Now let's go

1013
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: for a stroll in the lane.

1014
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

1015
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: So later on, it's like three point thirty in the morning,

1016
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: Mary is seen walking toward back toward Hannah Cox's house. Huh,

1017
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: and the witness tells the police that he noticed.

1018
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 3: She was walking very.

1019
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: Slowly and that she was alone at Hannah's house. She

1020
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: takes off the new dress, changes back into her work clothes,

1021
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: and tells Hannah she's going to go home.

1022
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: She says goodbye, leaves the house at four.

1023
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: Am, and and she's only she's seen two more occasions

1024
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: that night. Occasions. That was a cut and paste word,

1025
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: if you've ever heard one. A man named Joseph Dawson

1026
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: testified that he'd seen Mary in Bell Lane around four

1027
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: fifteen am.

1028
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: I mean they partied all night, dude. That's like, I

1029
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: can't I do that next two hundred years later.

1030
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, but she's twenty sure, and she's got that like

1031
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: a milk a milk maid's constitution.

1032
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, I'm selling dary all week. I want

1033
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: to party.

1034
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he's Joseph Dawson sees her at four fifteen,

1035
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: and then ten minutes later she was seen in the

1036
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: same lane by a guy named Thomas Broadhurst.

1037
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 3: A lot of people out.

1038
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because it's that three day weekend, everyone's sure

1039
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: working for Both witnesses say that she was alone when

1040
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: they saw her.

1041
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: Okay.

1042
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: So when the police interview Abe Thornton, the guy, they

1043
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: tell her that she has been murdered, that probably by

1044
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: strangulation after being raped. He was in total shock. He

1045
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: told the detectives, I can't believe she was murdered. I

1046
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: was with her until four o'clock this morning. So the

1047
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: police believe him to be sincere. He doesn't understand that

1048
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: he's the chief suspect in this murder investigation. He's finally

1049
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: taken into custody and they grill him about the night

1050
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 2: and the whole everything that happened after they left the dance.

1051
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: He says that they did have sex, but he did

1052
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: eighteen seventeen they bone, They totally boned in a field.

1053
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, better then yeah, less chemicals. They had sex,

1054
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: but he denies, of course, that he raped and murdered her.

1055
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: He actually states that when Hannah and Ben peeled off,

1056
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: he and Mary strolled hand in hand through a field

1057
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: over to a style, which is I don't know if

1058
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: you've ever watched like a Jane Austen movie, but sometimes

1059
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: you know how.

1060
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: Like they walk through fields.

1061
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm gonna go over to that castle over there,

1062
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: and they just start walking. Well, when you come to

1063
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: a fence, they used to build in stairs into the

1064
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: fence with like a pole so you could walk over

1065
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: the fence without the sheep getting over the fence.

1066
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: So that was called a style. That was the standard thing.

1067
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: So they went over to Stiles, sat down, started chatting,

1068
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what's it like to lay bricks? It's

1069
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: like this, how's what is it really like selling milk?

1070
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. Shut up, I'll tell you if you

1071
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: just let me talk for one second.

1072
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 2: They talked for a f fifteen minutes, and then they

1073
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: go to the green at Irdington, where Mary goes back

1074
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: into Hannah's house to change out of the dress. She's

1075
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: in her nice dress and into.

1076
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: Her work clothes.

1077
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: He's waiting outside for her for a long time and

1078
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: she doesn't come back out, so he goes home alone.

1079
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: That's his story. And that story is backed up by.

1080
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: Three witnesses who saw him standing there waiting for her.

1081
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: One was a game keeper named John Hayden, who stood

1082
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: there and talked to him for fifteen full minutes. So

1083
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: everybody's like, yeah, this, you know clearly he did it,

1084
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: So clearly it's this piece of shit. No, So basically

1085
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 2: the investigation stalls out because aside from that bit of action,

1086
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 2: there's nothing else that they know about what Mary did

1087
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: that night, and no one saw the two of them

1088
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: together after.

1089
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: She went back into Hannah's house.

1090
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: Right, so they have a trial. Still, he's arrested and

1091
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: he's and he's brought to.

1092
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: Trial, and.

1093
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: That trial was in August of that year at the

1094
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: Warwick Ass Size Court. No but fuck yeah, yeah, what

1095
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: is your ass size?

1096
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: Will guess your weight and charge you with murder your.

1097
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: Ass size doesn't look innocent? Okay, So hundreds of people

1098
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: think he did it. So they're all standing outside the

1099
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: court waiting for the guilty verdict. Those are the good people, Yeah,

1100
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: those are the murdering nos of eighteen seventeen. So it

1101
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: turns out after six minutes of deliberation, the jury came

1102
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: back and with the verdict not guilty. Wait, so in

1103
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: modern English law, that verdict would have been final, but

1104
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: in early nineteenth century an ancient law existed which enabled

1105
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: Mary Ashford's brother William to appeal that verdict and demand

1106
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: a second trial. And so the judge, Lord ellen Burgh,

1107
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: he decides he allows Thornton to take advantage of an

1108
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: archaic law called trial by battle the attel that's how

1109
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: you know it's old. So basically that means he can

1110
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: renew his plea of not guilty by literally throwing a

1111
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 2: gauntlet down from the doc no.

1112
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so it's come that.

1113
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: And by doing that he is challenging William Ashford, Mary's brother,

1114
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: who is the one who wants him, you know.

1115
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: He tried. He's challenging him to a fight to the death.

1116
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up.

1117
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless one of them surrenders or is incapacitated during

1118
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: the fight.

1119
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 3: Guys, guys, guys.

1120
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: So people to fight this because it's such an ancient

1121
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: but it's basically Lord Ellenborough.

1122
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 3: Is like, this is this is the law of England

1123
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: and it's allowed.

1124
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: And so my god, can you imagine today of like

1125
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: that thing? All right, well, there's a lot that says

1126
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: you can have a duel.

1127
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so grab the saxe and throw it on the ground.

1128
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: It's in the law books. So, uh, if.

1129
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Ashford accepts the challenge and wins, that means Thornton will

1130
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: be executed immediately. But if Thornton wins, then he's free

1131
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,479
Speaker 2: and doesn't have to ever appear in court again for

1132
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: this murder.

1133
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: So the murder of this guy, Oh my god.

1134
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: No, that one's like everybody knows that that's what he

1135
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: signed up for. So so this guy does it. He's like, hell, yes,

1136
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm in. So he throws the gauntlet down and uh,

1137
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: William Ashford basically doesn't respond to at Abraham Thornton's challenge

1138
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: and so.

1139
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: He gets off.

1140
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: So it's basically like one of those things where you

1141
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: if you have traffic ticket and you challenge it, if

1142
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: the cop that gave you the ticket doesn't show up

1143
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: in court, then you don't have to pay the ticket.

1144
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: So the brother was like, oh, I don't know the

1145
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: trial and Abraham was like gauntlet and he was like,

1146
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I.

1147
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: Don't want to get killed.

1148
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: You're good because you're a big beefy bricklayer and you're

1149
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: going to kick my ass.

1150
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: You're like walking off the cover of a romance novel. Yeah,

1151
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: it's you're You're like, what's his name? Fabia?

1152
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: Thank you say that because Vince jokes about Fabio all

1153
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: the time. Fabia was sitting behind our table at a

1154
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: sushi restaant once me and my friend Karena is in

1155
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: and so I was staring at Fabio the entire dinner,

1156
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, there's a celebrity behind you.

1157
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: You have to guess who did You will never not

1158
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 3: believe it because she guess people the entire dinner, and

1159
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: I was giving her clues. I was dream dinner conversation.

1160
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: Long hair romance. I was giving her every clue. She

1161
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: never guessed it, and we had to wait until he.

1162
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: Got up and walked out, and then she's like Fabio No.

1163
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like yeah, and so jokingly say like so,

1164
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: like you look great, Like I know Fabio is your type,

1165
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: but like he always references, like when we're making out

1166
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: and you close your eze thinking about fab yas I don't.

1167
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: He's your Yes, he's your male idea. Yeah, yeah, that's

1168
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: what I think about. Okay, So.

1169
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: Essentially he gets off, he never is going to get

1170
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: tried again, and he ends up. It's such a he's

1171
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: so known as everyone thinks he killed Mary Ashford that

1172
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: he ends up emigrating to the United States because he

1173
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: can't get a job as a brick layer. So exactly

1174
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty seven years later to the hour

1175
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 2: up after the discovery of Mary Ashford's body on Monday,

1176
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: May twenty seventh, nineteen seventy five, which was also whit Monday,

1177
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: I got laid on that holiday. Late on the same day,

1178
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty seven years later, the body of

1179
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: twenty year old Barbara Forest was found dead in the

1180
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: long grass of a ditch New Pipe Hayes Children's home,

1181
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: where she worked as a nurse. She had been strangled

1182
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: and raped. The bodies of both victims were found within

1183
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: three hundred yards.

1184
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: Of each other. Oh my God.

1185
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: And later police arrested Michael Thornton, a Birmingham childcare officer

1186
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: who worked at that same children's home where Barbara worked.

1187
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 3: So here's the similarities.

1188
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: They were both twenty, they look alike, and there are

1189
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: two pictures. One looks like an illustration of a Jane

1190
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: Austen character and one is a straight on picture of

1191
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: a very pretty, very young seventies gal. So you can't

1192
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: get the profile thing, but they look alike. It's the same,

1193
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: like small fine features of two young women, essentially both pretty.

1194
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: They had both visited their best friend on the evening

1195
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: of whit Monday to change into a new dress for

1196
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: the local dance party. Were both raped and then strangled,

1197
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: and they were both That happened to them both at

1198
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: the same time of day.

1199
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, same guy did it then? Probably right?

1200
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: Yep, it was a time traveler that was just about

1201
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: that spot. Yeah, anyone who walked by that spot, he

1202
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 2: is gonna count. They were both, obviously, both guys named

1203
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: Thornton Jesus. In both instances, the man named Thornton was

1204
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: charged then subsequently acquitted.

1205
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: Wow. Mary Ashford and Barbara Forrest had the same birth date. Enough,

1206
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: not ready to.

1207
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Move on yet, Okay, stop it right fucking now.

1208
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: Now listen, this is from Cool Interesting stuff dot Com.

1209
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: Clearly they're correct entitling their fucking website that.

1210
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: Holy shit, it's if this is true all true.

1211
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: I love it.

1212
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: It's so insane. It's not it's still I still I

1213
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: still love the concept of that. But fuck, I mean,

1214
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: like this, because this could happen. That's just that thing

1215
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, if a hundred monkeys, you know, are

1216
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: typing a typewriter, like, it's that kind of thing, but

1217
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: it's but it's also then it brings in my favorite

1218
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: kind of a culty thing, which which is could something

1219
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: else be involved?

1220
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: Whatever?

1221
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: I love it. Here's the other similarity. A week before

1222
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: Mary Ashford was murdered, she told her friend Hannah Cox's

1223
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: mother that she had bad feelings about the week to come,

1224
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: but she didn't know what it meant. She didn't have

1225
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: any specifics on that. And ten days before Barbara Forrest

1226
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: was raped and strangled, she told a colleague of work, this.

1227
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: Is going to be my unlucky month. I just know it.

1228
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: Don't ask me why carbon copy murders ladies. Isn't that insanity?

1229
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Kucci twin. But you're saying that with

1230
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: your leg up in the air. Sorry, I just I

1231
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: am splayed open. I mean, can flinged at that? Can

1232
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: you see they're embarrassing?

1233
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: Stephen, I'm sorry, Stephen is flat face, flat notes.

1234
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 3: I think you passed out. Oh, you're right, he's passed out.

1235
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: Shit, we killed Stephen killed Stephen? Oops, well, your co

1236
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: chief killed Stephen.

1237
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: Oh Man hain't me the first time I killed I

1238
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: don't know what, it doesn't make any sense.

1239
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: That was amazing.

1240
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: I'm creepy and fucked up, insane. Thank you, Thank for

1241
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: yailing me. Thank you, Paul Rex.

1242
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: Thank you Linda from Cool Interesting Things dot com or Linden.

1243
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: Linden or Linda.

1244
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 7: That's it.

1245
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 4: Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

1246
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: There's no case updates, but in twenty eighteen, a historian

1247
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: named Naomi.

1248
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: Clifford published a book called The Murder.

1249
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: Of Mary Ashford, The Crime That Changed English Legal History,

1250
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: and that digs into the eighteen seventeen case and clears

1251
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: up a lot of the myths. Also, just as a

1252
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: fun footnote, the podcast Mysteries Abound with Paul Rex ended

1253
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, but the catalog is still up so

1254
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: you can listen to episodes wherever you get your podcasts.

1255
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: Wow, that was a fascinating story.

1256
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's get into Georgia's story about the Anissy shootings.

1257
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: So here's one that's been in my drafts like since

1258
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,959
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast, because I've always loved this story. Okay,

1259
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: but there's never like a good closure to it because

1260
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: it was only five years ago, but I always kind

1261
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: of look it up and see what's new, and so

1262
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: finally I'm ready to do it. So this is the

1263
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: Anissy shootings. Okay, all right, go ahead and give credit

1264
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: right now to Sean Flynn who wrote this like five

1265
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: part GQ article about it. That's really great. But it

1266
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: hasn't been I think it's from a couple of years ago.

1267
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: So there's but I but he helped.

1268
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: Me a lot, so thank you, all right.

1269
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: September fifth, twenty twelve, on this included route.

1270
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: Ready for this Flores Stay de Monlier de la Combe

1271
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: the Iri.

1272
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 4: Wow.

1273
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: Nope, not getting close near the southern end. Cue the

1274
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: fucking corrections corner near the southern end of Lake Annisey

1275
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 1: in France. Okay, it's a small, serene city. It's about

1276
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: six hour drive from Paris. And a man named Brett

1277
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: Martin was out riding his bike, cycling up this beautiful

1278
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: hill and as he crossed a river bridge and continued

1279
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: up the hill, a little girl came stumbling into the

1280
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: road and collapsed in front of her family's car that

1281
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: was parked on the side of the road. Seven year

1282
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: old zanob Al Hillie had been shot on the shoulder

1283
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: and she had been pistol whipped. He stops at the

1284
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: scene and inside of ze Knob's family car, the family

1285
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: BMW had a camper attached was the dead bodies of

1286
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: her father Sayi al Hillie, he's a fifty year old

1287
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: satellite engineer, his wife Ickball, she's a forty seven year

1288
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: old dentist, and Nickball's mother Suhail Suhal she's seventy four,

1289
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: and each had been shot twice in the head. Inside

1290
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: the car, Oh the family was in the area on

1291
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: vacation from their home in Claygate, Surrey, England, and they

1292
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: were on their way for a walk in the woods,

1293
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: just a random venture into the woods. And also on

1294
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: the scene outside the car was the dead body of

1295
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: a local cyclist, Sylvan Malier. He's forty five. He's been

1296
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: shot five times, twice in the head. The car was

1297
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: stopped in a way that investigators were able to tell

1298
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: that prior to the shooting, the BMW had like reverse

1299
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: sharply the driver was sayed into the lay by so

1300
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: in reverse like trying to get the think of U,

1301
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: turn and get the fuck out of there. The wheels

1302
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: had gone stick in the gravel and as they try

1303
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 1: to make a getaway, so the car had gotten stuck there.

1304
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: The car is still running the it's in neutral, but

1305
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: someone is just jammed on the gas pedal, so it's

1306
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: just revving up. All the doors are locked with the

1307
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: three dead bodies inside. Police said that the shooter had

1308
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: originally been in the woods but had come out into

1309
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: the road.

1310
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: To kill everyone. So relice come.

1311
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: They're investigating the whole thing, and they cording off the area.

1312
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: Eight hours later, as they're still investigating the whole scene

1313
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: and the bodies had still been in the car, a

1314
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: specialist forensic investigator finds four year old Zana Zana, she's

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01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: the youngest daughter of the all Hilly family, hiding beneath

1316
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: her dead mother's legs and.

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01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: Skirt in the back of the car.

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01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: No unharmed, So she had been hiding that whole time,

1319
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: including the eight hours where they were trying to figure

1320
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: out what happened. They had seen one child seat in

1321
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: the car, and they had one child at the scene.

1322
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you fuck you imagine that poor medical investigator.

1323
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 2: I thinks he's opening the door or she's opening.

1324
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: The door, or finally removing the body after like photographing everything.

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01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: Four year old.

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01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: I just was at my friend's house today and he's

1327
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: his three year old came home while we were leaving.

1328
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: I yeah, okay, sorry, oh so so clues at the

1329
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: scene point to a lone killer who had already been

1330
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: near the layby.

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: When the all Hilly family arrived, and they had been

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: in a seemingly random drive. Again, like I said, they

1333
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: came from their campsite that was by Lake Annisey, which

1334
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: is like this fucking gorgeous sound. The local cyclist Molier,

1335
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: he was also on a totally random ride on a

1336
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: route that he had never taken before, so the whole

1337
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: thing seemed random. It was speculated by the whole scene

1338
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: that the al Hilly family had been tart the target

1339
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: of the whole thing, and that they were shot first,

1340
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,959
Speaker 1: and the cyclist happened on the scene and was killed

1341
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: as a result of being in the wrong place at

1342
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: the wrong time, so he just showed up, and that

1343
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses said that neither the car or the cyclist was

1344
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: being followed.

1345
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 3: So there's another dude.

1346
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: The dude who came upon the scene was coming up

1347
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: the road had gotten passed by both that other cyclist

1348
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: and the car and was like nobody was following them.

1349
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,959
Speaker 3: Oh so he was like the slower cyclist. Yeah, yeah,

1350
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 3: and he like found that. He says he got to

1351
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 3: the scene, he's.

1352
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: Like suddenly putting together what happened as he's trying to

1353
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: help the girl and then he's like, well, I'm about

1354
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: to get shot, like he yeah, he says in this

1355
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: documentary that I saw I was like, well, I wonder

1356
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: what it's going to be feeling, and it's going to

1357
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: feel like to get shot bike because he was positive, Yeah,

1358
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: because it's just it just happened because he had seen them.

1359
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: Motives quickly are thrown about by the media who fucking

1360
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: freak out about this case, both in England and in France.

1361
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: So both the Saied and Sylvian worked in the nuclear

1362
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: in nuclear industry jobs. Mollier at one of the largest

1363
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: suppliers of nuclear components in the world, and al Hali

1364
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: in the past as an Iraqi in Iraq as an

1365
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: engineer on sensitive topics and currently in the UK involved

1366
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: in nuclear and satellite technology, and there was sensitive files

1367
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: found on his computer at work. So it was hypothesized

1368
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: that this was a hit on one or both of them,

1369
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: that they had intelligence that the government or another fucking

1370
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: place wanted them silenced for. And then maybe one of

1371
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: them got in the wrong time, they're at the wrong time,

1372
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: or they were like working.

1373
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 3: Together, who knows.

1374
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: Then two European newspapers cited anonymous German intelligence sources reporting

1375
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: that Sayad's late father had smuggle cash out of Iraq

1376
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: for Saddam Hussein and stashed it in a Swiss bank account.

1377
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: But it was soon found that Sylvian Moliere was on

1378
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: a three year leave of absence from his job and

1379
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: he was just a welder at the nuclear plant.

1380
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: That's the cyclist.

1381
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and he didn't have access to anything that

1382
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: would be interests to criminals, nor did Sayid have access

1383
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: to any classified secrets or anything satellite related that would

1384
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: be of interest to any terrorist cell. But of course

1385
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: the fucking media had gone crazy and we're like, this

1386
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: is why this whole family.

1387
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: Got killed is because terror, right, some kind of terror.

1388
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: And then while Sayad's late father, the guy who they

1389
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: said had money in Iraq, he did leave cash when

1390
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: he died in twenty eleven in a Swiss bank account.

1391
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: It was had no ties to say what I'm saying.

1392
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: It was much less than they assumed it was going

1393
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: to be, so it really wasn't any connection. The next

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01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: suspect that the media and investigators targeted was Zayed al Hili,

1395
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: who's the older brother of Sayed. The brothers they hadn't

1396
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: spoken in almost a year except through solicitors aka lawyers, that's.

1397
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 3: What we call lawyers in their right, and they were

1398
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 3: sorting through their late father's estate, so they hadn't spoken

1399
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 3: in a year because it was really like crazy and

1400
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 3: fucking stressful. So like there was a fight about money

1401
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: and who what.

1402
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: Inheritance, which everyone's like, oh, well, clearly, there you go.

1403
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: There was the money in the Swiss bank account, there

1404
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: was the house. There was a house, a small studio

1405
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: in Spain, and they were fighting over it. But Zaid

1406
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: insisted that they were being civil about it though, and

1407
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: insisted that there was no actual feud, which seems hard

1408
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: to believe, right. He even defended his brother against the

1409
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: suspicion that he was a spy and said the amount

1410
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: of money was much smaller than was rumored. But on Friday,

1411
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: September twenty eighth, the police came to his flat.

1412
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 3: With a search warrant.

1413
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: All the houses near his flat were evacuated and the

1414
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: Royal Logistics Core bomb Disposal Unit was summoned, so like

1415
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: they freaked everyone out in the neighborhood.

1416
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: They were like, we got this guy. What year was this?

1417
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: This is two thousand and twelve. Oh okay, okay, yeah,

1418
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 3: twenty twelve.

1419
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: Still, so they're evacuated, made a big scene. They said

1420
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: that there was something suspicious and these are like these

1421
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: I feel like these European like trade mags like this

1422
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: or like gossip mags, like go crazy with whatever they have.

1423
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,959
Speaker 1: They're the same way we do, but in this way that's.

1424
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 2: Like no, they're they're insane, right the sun you mean,

1425
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: like those magazines, they're insane.

1426
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 3: They're horrible, right. Yeah.

1427
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: So this was like a big story in there, so

1428
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: anything that they got they would put on there, including

1429
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: that there was quote something suspicious potentially hazard found in

1430
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: his house.

1431
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: Can I just say one thing really quick, So you

1432
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: hear about the Grenfeld Towers, which was that huge apartment

1433
01:09:55,160 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 2: building that burned and was basically burned because it was

1434
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 2: like if slumlords didn't there were no fire extinguishers they

1435
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: were in and then there was lots of complaints and

1436
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: no one did anything, and so many people died. A

1437
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: firefighter who had to go in and fight that fire

1438
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: posted a picture of his helmet on social media and

1439
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: all these people were like, it was like going into

1440
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: help ords, you know whatever or something, and somebody from

1441
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 2: the Sun, I believe, replied, do we have permission to

1442
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: use this picture for our newspaper? And the firefighter wrote back,

1443
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 2: not for that shit rag, and everybody was retweeting it

1444
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: and faving it.

1445
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1446
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: I think it's like people, because those they have such

1447
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: an influence the way people see things, and they act

1448
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: like it's like, look, people need to hear the story.

1449
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: But it isn't like the story. It's just this weird

1450
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: biased well they.

1451
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: Have like quoted sources, but there you don't know who

1452
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: those sources are. Those sources haven't been confirmed as being

1453
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: correct exactly. And it's like this thing of well, if

1454
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't put this story out in turn that to

1455
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: be true. If I don't do it first, someone else

1456
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: gets to it and there's no fucking point of me

1457
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: putting it out. So I'm going to put it out

1458
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: now and hope it's true. Yeah, and then I'll go

1459
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: back and fix it if I need to or I'll

1460
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: put up the next story and yeah.

1461
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: They don't play by actual journalism roles, which is you

1462
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: can't quote a source that you don't if you're not

1463
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: Like it's there's certain phrasing that they use. I've just

1464
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: read a thing about this where they use this phrasing

1465
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: that basically just means anyone could have said this. It

1466
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 2: could be like they could turn to somebody in the

1467
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 2: next cube yeah and be like, hey, do you think this.

1468
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 3: And they'd be like a source says yeah or whatever.

1469
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: There's certain buzzwords that you can look up, which is

1470
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: so the frustration.

1471
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: We can go on about that it's over twenty four

1472
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: hour news is that like you don't have a chance

1473
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: to really research anything if you need to get something

1474
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: out immediately.

1475
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 3: Well and everybody else depends on that.

1476
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: We're trusting these sources, these these like all these news

1477
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: stations as if they are when so many times we've

1478
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: seen in the past couple of years they'll go with

1479
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 2: a whole story based on a tweet.

1480
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like.

1481
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: We as a person that's on Twitter all the time,

1482
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: it's bullshit, Like the idea that you would base anything

1483
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 2: on a tweet that could be from anyone doing.

1484
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,919
Speaker 3: Anything for any reason, totally.

1485
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: Our boy Razamed actually tweeted something about that where he's like,

1486
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: you hear so much about Muslim terror, but when all

1487
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: apparently so many Muslim people ran into Grensfell Tower to

1488
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: try to save people from that building.

1489
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 3: And you don't know, you don't see any headlines about that.

1490
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 3: That drives me crazy.

1491
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: All of those you hear about all like this thing

1492
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: that happened, but you didn't hear about.

1493
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 3: This, you know, this bombing and fucking you know, some

1494
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 3: town that we don't or some city in Iraq that

1495
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: we don't.

1496
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 2: Care about because someone's decided we don't have to care.

1497
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: About, right, yeah, right, even though it's also innocent fucking

1498
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: people getting killed too.

1499
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay, well sorry, such an.

1500
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 3: I think it's important that we talked about that.

1501
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: So they said that they found something potentially hazardous in

1502
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: the house, and they found in the garden shed behind

1503
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: the house, which is so ominous and like where you

1504
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: make bombs.

1505
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 3: Probably a shit, right, fertilizer, right right.

1506
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: The police never announced what it was, but it turned

1507
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: out to not be dangerous, and it said that they

1508
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: found just a taser, which was illegal to have but

1509
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: despite them not finding anything, on June and June twenty thirteen,

1510
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: he was arrested. This is the brother for conspiracy to

1511
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: commit murder, but he only spent one night in jail

1512
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: and was never arrested again. So also the cyclist who

1513
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: happened upon the scene was ruled out as a suspect

1514
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: as well. Other motives that have been thrown around are

1515
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: the involvement of the SAS which I had to look up,

1516
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:45,440
Speaker 1: Special Air Services of the British Army, CIA, Israeli Intelligent Intelligence,

1517
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: Iraqi agents, Saddam Hussein loyalists. It was determined that the

1518
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: bullets and by the bullets in them and the gun

1519
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: part of the gun handle that broke off when the

1520
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: murderer pistol whipped this fucking seven year old girl who

1521
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: survived and is okay now, so we can calm down

1522
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: that it was a seven point six millimeter Luger manufactured

1523
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: between nineteen oh nine and nineteen forty seven, and it's

1524
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: type of gun that was issue to Swiss Army reservists

1525
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and thirties, So a fucking like

1526
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: really rare gun. Yeah. Then the other thing was that

1527
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: there was a connection.

1528
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 3: So the.

1529
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: Ick ball the wife, she who died, She then it

1530
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: came out, was secretly married, had a first secret husband

1531
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: in America that they kind of died, you know, they

1532
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: not died. They married for a green card. It wasn't

1533
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: about anything. The husband didn't even know what turned out,

1534
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: So you didn't even know. That same day that she

1535
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: got killed, he died a heart attack.

1536
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 3: The husband in America. Yeah, he had a heart issue

1537
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: and then drove into a tree and died. Uh huh.

1538
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 2: No right, no, same day Nope, but it's later ruled

1539
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: out as a coincidence.

1540
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 3: Bullshit. Okay, well, what do you think happened then.

1541
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: That it's someone got Michael Clayton. They just stuck a

1542
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: needle in his neck or some weird thing that and

1543
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: then he crashed into a tree.

1544
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 3: So she's a dentist.

1545
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: What if she like implanted some like little thing in

1546
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: there and like as soon as she if I ever die,

1547
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: you're going to die too, Like if my.

1548
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 3: Heart stops feeding like it was her thing.

1549
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if my heart stops beating, that thing and

1550
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: your cheese are never you can never have me killed?

1551
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 3: Or what if they were just really in love or

1552
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 3: what if they just died in the same day, or

1553
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 3: what if? Hold on, there's five more. Let's that's what

1554
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 3: this whole fucking story is.

1555
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,919
Speaker 2: This is a fucking major When you first.

1556
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: Said it, I was like, I know what this is,

1557
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 3: and now I no idea.

1558
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 4: I think, you know what?

1559
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 3: Can we edit this dance? Stephen?

1560
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: I meant to say at the banning, you ready for

1561
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: a hardcore murder mystery. I fucking totally meant to say

1562
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: that to get y'all amped, and I fucking forgot to.

1563
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: Let's start over, Just keep just plow, go ahead. You

1564
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: can do this, Karen, It's already happening. Are you ready

1565
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: for a hardcore murder mystrast? Yeah? Next suspect halfway through? Yeah,

1566
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: well now I'm ready here. Now it gets deep, okay, okay.

1567
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: Patrice Mengaldo, So, the sister of the cyclist who died

1568
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: at the scene, told police that she was in an

1569
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: on again, off again seven year relationship with an ex

1570
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: foreign French Foreign Legion sniper named Patrice Mengaldo. He had

1571
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: been given just a standard interview as a witness because

1572
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: he was a local, but he was not a suspect.

1573
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: But then he wasn't a suspect.

1574
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: Twenty one months after the killing, leaves a suicide note

1575
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: saying he couldn't handle being considered a.

1576
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 3: Suspect and shoots and kills himself. What yeah, not being

1577
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:50,919
Speaker 3: he wasn't a suspect.

1578
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: He said he can't handle being a suspect, considered a suspect,

1579
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: which he wasn't, and he was a fucking sniper, right right.

1580
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: Then?

1581
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: Okay, Michelle michel Hecht. In twenty sixteen, retired police captain

1582
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: turned private detective Pascal Hutch, who I want to fucking

1583
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: hang out with. He tipped investigators off to this nineteen

1584
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: eighty six murders of school teachers Paul Bellian who was

1585
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: twenty nine and Lorraine Galsby, twenty eight, of Derbyshire. So

1586
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: these two school teachers, these like sweet Evan Angels. They're

1587
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: fucking engaged and shit, they're on a cycling holiday holiday

1588
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: when they fucking disappeared. Their bodies are later found in

1589
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: a shallow grave in a May's field in Brittany. That's

1590
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: corn corn aka corn. They had been found back to

1591
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: back gang and they had been shot with a hunting

1592
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: rifle and the case had been unsolved for almost three years,

1593
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: and the French detective thought that the similarities were really interesting,

1594
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: and in fact, the mother of arraigned the girl, the

1595
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: young woman who had died, said that the moment she

1596
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: heard about the murders in Annisy, she thought the cases

1597
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: were linked because there were so many similarities.

1598
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 3: Wow.

1599
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, The main suspect in those murders is fifty three

1600
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: year old Belgian Michael Hecht.

1601
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: What's m I c h E L Michel? Isn't that

1602
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 3: Michael Michael Michael, mister Hecht. Where you can Michel from Michel?

1603
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 3: Michael Michael, go Michael. Edit that's David. Well, I can't

1604
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 3: remember now, in like I can't remember in French class

1605
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 3: that what they probably didn't teach you that. I think

1606
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: Michael in French as Michelle.

1607
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Okay, Well, he had been jailed in two

1608
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, this fucking dude trying to for trying

1609
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: to kill his own family.

1610
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 3: Whoa He shot at his brother, sister in.

1611
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: Law, and their baby, and they none of them died,

1612
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: but they had all been injured. He so he had

1613
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: been in jail in two thousand and eight, and he

1614
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: had been let out of jail for that ten months later.

1615
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: Because and I don't understand this. He had already been

1616
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: on remand for three years. Maybe he had already spent

1617
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: three years in jail, so they let him out. I

1618
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: don't think, I know, sounds insane.

1619
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: For the same Oh so they're like, look, you've done

1620
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: your time. Yeah for almost trying to kill your whole family,

1621
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: including a baby.

1622
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So hect Allegedly he confessed to the killings of

1623
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: the school teacher as while he was in jail to

1624
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: a dude who was there, but the judge ruled it

1625
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: inadmissible and the DNA from that murder was lost. So

1626
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: he now lives in France. Fuck because it's like, what

1627
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: does it look like vases loss?

1628
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds good, okay, and it's two hours from Anissy.

1629
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 3: That's where he lives now, okay, Okay.

1630
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: So they noted that the shooter had fired twenty one times,

1631
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: mostly at this vehicle that was moving.

1632
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 3: Seventeen bullets hit people. Out of twenty one, not one

1633
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 3: of those bullets hit the frame or the doors, or

1634
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 3: the fenders or any other part of a moving car.

1635
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 3: Eight of them were head shots.

1636
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: Shit, So it made investigators think that it was a professional.

1637
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1638
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: Two in the head, which is the way special apps

1639
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: and assassined are trained to do. So it's the keach

1640
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: of them got two in the fucking head. He didn't

1641
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: hit the car, Like, can you imagine we would just

1642
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: be like.

1643
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 3: Shooting the sun.

1644
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well even a person that probably like is

1645
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 2: a hunter has experience you a moving car.

1646
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah shit yeah, and they're like one guy in the

1647
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,759
Speaker 1: front seat, two people in the backseat.

1648
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

1649
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: So anyways, it's been five years since the murder. The

1650
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: brother of side was asking is now asking. He's like

1651
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: in it still. He's like, I didn't fucking do it.

1652
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: He's kind of a bad ass. He's like, I didn't

1653
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: fucking do it. Fuck all of you. No, I'm not

1654
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: coming in for more questioning because you have no you

1655
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing. I think the French police

1656
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: don't want it to be a French suspect. The English

1657
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: police don't want to be in English aspects, so no

1658
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: one's working together and this is awful, and so he's

1659
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 1: asking for a review from the British High Court judge.

1660
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: He thinks the French police know who committed the murders

1661
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: and that the dead cyclist Sylvian Molaire was the target

1662
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: and that his brother and his family were in the

1663
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. So finally, and this

1664
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: is what I think fucking happened personally. On February eighteenth,

1665
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, a forty eight year old local man was

1666
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: arrested and made after a sketch is shown and made

1667
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: public of a bearded man who had been seen in

1668
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: the area on a motorcycle that same day. Ooh, so

1669
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: when the cyclist is riding up the hill tend to

1670
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: find this fucking murder, he sees a motorcycle going down

1671
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: the other way. Oh, and this person had never come

1672
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,520
Speaker 1: forward even though it was a big case obviously any witnesses.

1673
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,879
Speaker 1: So they have a sketch composite of him. They finally

1674
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: fucking release it. Two years later. It's a bearded man

1675
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: and a motorcycle helmet, and they find a dude who

1676
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: they're not.

1677
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 3: Naming, who bears a striking.

1678
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: Similarity as a forty eight year old man between the photos.

1679
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 3: He drives a motorcycle.

1680
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: They searched his home and found a quote cachet of

1681
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: vintage weapons, including a Lugar handgun, although it's not the

1682
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: same one that killed the families. The family he had

1683
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: been a police officer, but had been dismissed recently before

1684
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: the murders in June because of angry issues. H oh,

1685
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: so he was released without charge after questioning. So what

1686
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: I think happened? And it's so fucking annoying because nobody

1687
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: wants to believe this. What's the simplest answer, fucking road rage? Oh,

1688
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: they cut him off?

1689
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 3: Cut him off?

1690
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: Or the reason there was no there's no reason given

1691
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: why they would have pulled into the turnoff to begin with,

1692
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: you know where they had to make the U turn

1693
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: to go and try to go the other way there

1694
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: where they got stuck and killed. There's no reason given

1695
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: why they would have done that. So perhaps they they

1696
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 1: were speeding or someone was speeding and almost hit each other,

1697
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,879
Speaker 1: and so he vears off the road into this turnoff

1698
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 1: where they pull over to be.

1699
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 3: Like talk about it.

1700
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe they're both fucking angry people and are yelling

1701
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: at each other. Yeah, and then the cyclist comes on

1702
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: the scene at the exact time he starts to kill

1703
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: the family.

1704
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 3: Whoa road rage? I mean, that is very viable. Does

1705
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 3: that seem yes?

1706
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 2: Or?

1707
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 3: But I think this was Do you want to hear

1708
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 3: my verse? First?

1709
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: Fucking always yeah, thank you.

1710
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 2: Well just from the beginning. And also, this sounds really familiar.

1711
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: You haven't done this one before, No, it sounds so familiar.

1712
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: I feel like I've seen it. You probably heard me

1713
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: think about it.

1714
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 2: I bet you've told me about it, Like yeah, personally,

1715
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 2: but but I but maybe I.

1716
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 3: Just saw it on like yeah, it's yeah, it's not

1717
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 3: a lot of them because I.

1718
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: Think the fact that the cyclist who was murdered has

1719
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 2: more gunshot wounds.

1720
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, it's like that's the that's.

1721
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: The anger one, and that's the he's the target, and

1722
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: then the other ones were wrong place, one wrong time,

1723
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: and he's just getting rid of witnesses. And if he's

1724
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 2: some kind of a creepy psychopath, it's not like he's going,

1725
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: oh no, it's a family or anything. He's like, take

1726
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 2: out those witnesses, take out children, pistol whip a seven

1727
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: year old, whatever the fuck his deal is.

1728
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: Well, here's what And I think you have a really

1729
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: good point, which is that the cyclist is the one

1730
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: exposed and he still gets seven gunshot wounds.

1731
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. People in the car are in a car and

1732
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 3: only get two. Yeah.

1733
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that the dad and the

1734
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: daughter who got pistol whip were outside of the car

1735
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: when the shooting has happened. So for some reason they

1736
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: were talking to either the cyclists or the killer. But

1737
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: the other thing is they didn't ever mention anything in

1738
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: the police report about there being motorcycle tracks anywhere. Oh

1739
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: so this whole time I thought it was like a

1740
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: sniper in the woods. But you know, maybe there are

1741
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: motorcycle tracks that are keeping secret or something like that

1742
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: for investigation purposes.

1743
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: Maybe he knows, like if just say he was responsible

1744
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: for the one the cyclists who are murdered thirty years before,

1745
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: he has a real good system. He knows, you know,

1746
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: like he peels out in a certain way where it

1747
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 2: covers his track, or just something that where he doesn't

1748
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: park in dirt, he doesn't park in an invented, inventable

1749
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: surface or something like that.

1750
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 3: Also, here's this, why would a father let his seven

1751
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 3: year old get out of.

1752
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 2: The car to talk to a road rage situation like

1753
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: that would be a classic stay in the car.

1754
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 3: I will take care of that totally. So that doesn't totally.

1755
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 2: It could be the thing of like, oh what does

1756
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: that man have over you know?

1757
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like it sounds so innocent.

1758
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: Or even like we're lost, can you help us? And

1759
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 1: it's just some fucking psychopath, like they were a fucking

1760
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: ran up. I mean, and if they're Arabic, he could

1761
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: be a fucking racist piece of shit.

1762
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 3: It could be a racist piece of shit, for sure.

1763
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 3: It's a psycho.

1764
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 2: But why do you shoot this the guy that comes

1765
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 2: upon the scene five times, or the or the secondary person,

1766
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: the non family car person. Why host a couple times

1767
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: as opposed to the two clean kill shots to the head,

1768
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: which this guy can do in a moving car, so.

1769
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 3: He clearly can do it to guy on a bike.

1770
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, why does that guy get three more extra?

1771
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 3: What makes sense? Yeah?

1772
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know that just there's something to that. Yeah,

1773
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: Also he doesn't. It sounds like he did the family

1774
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 2: last because he didn't stick around to finish off.

1775
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 3: The seven year old or know that the four year

1776
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 3: old was in the car. He ran out of bullets,

1777
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 3: which is why he pistol with the seven year old.

1778
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: It sounds like she got shot early on in the shoulder,

1779
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: so maybe he was panicking.

1780
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 3: Then she got pistol whipped right before he left. Okay,

1781
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 3: who the fuck? Yeah? Yes, can beat a seven year

1782
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 3: old with a gun. Yeah, yeah, because they couldn't kill her.

1783
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that maybe the reason he

1784
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: shot and had to make sure that the cyclist was

1785
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: killed first was because.

1786
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 3: He's the one who had the easiest getaway a bike.

1787
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, not if that guy was on a motorcycle, right, true,

1788
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 2: I mean yes to me, okay to me, it's this,

1789
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 2: go with me on.

1790
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 3: This, let's do it. I'm here, I'm there.

1791
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 2: The the people are already parked at the turn thing.

1792
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: What do you call that layout or lay about? They

1793
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: called it a layabout, but it's like for us, it's

1794
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: like like to let someone pass you a shoulder, shoulder,

1795
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 3: thank you.

1796
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 2: They're pulled over because they're like, look, we're gonna go

1797
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: look to go down and look at the river. We're

1798
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: gonna take a picture, take a family picture, some whatever something,

1799
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: some nature thing. They hear something, and it's like, everybody,

1800
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 2: get in the.

1801
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 3: Car, we got to get out of here.

1802
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: Then the motorcycle and the cyclist situation comes up and

1803
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 2: boom boom boom boom boom, like it all kind of

1804
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 2: culminates in front of the car, and that maybe they're

1805
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 2: all ducked down in the car like stay quiet or whatever, and.

1806
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: They are panicking to get the fuck out of there. Yes,

1807
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: in the car in such a way that I hated

1808
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: to fucking mention this. And the cyclist is dead like

1809
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: by the time he hits the ground, but they kind

1810
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: of dragged him.

1811
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 3: A little bit because they rolled over him. Yeah, like

1812
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: they were in such a hurry to get they were

1813
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 3: freaking out to get out of there, which means they

1814
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: were killed. Second, yeah, okay, oh yeah yeah, And there

1815
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 3: was on the on this on side's foot on the

1816
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: bottom of his shoe was the cyclist's blood, so he

1817
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 3: was definitely out of the car at some point.

1818
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, sorry, god, no, no, no, no, this

1819
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: is I mean, this couldn't have more details in it,

1820
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 2: It couldn't be more involved. So that basically is like

1821
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: what if it's this that family's coming down out of

1822
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,759
Speaker 2: the woods on the on across the street or whatever

1823
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 2: their shit is in the lay about they come upon

1824
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: as they're walking.

1825
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: They're not walking though, because this first cyclist that came

1826
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: upon them remembers them passing him at like like recently

1827
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: they passed him.

1828
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 3: So they pulled into that.

1829
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: Lay about like like pretty quickly before they got killed.

1830
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So okay, so it was they weren't off. Maybe

1831
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 3: they pulled over the daughter had to pee. That's why

1832
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 3: they're both out of the car, him and his daughter.

1833
01:29:54,479 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Maybe why doesn't the mother go that's weird? Yeah, especially

1834
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:00,719
Speaker 2: seven year old.

1835
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also if okay, also.

1836
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 2: What happens fast if they come up on say it's

1837
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: a guy on a motorcycle holding a gun on a cyclist.

1838
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 3: Oh, and they pull over like this is bad because

1839
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,480
Speaker 3: it's the guy who likes to kill cyclists.

1840
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he has some weird it's say it's a

1841
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: cyclist serial killer. They come upon the act. The only

1842
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 2: thing is you wouldn't get out of the car. Well,

1843
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have pulled over. Probably yeah, they would have

1844
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 2: like gunned it for the police. But if he was

1845
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 2: still alive, they may have because they.

1846
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 3: Like, I'm a guy with a gun with your family

1847
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 3: in the car. Yeah, I don't.

1848
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Even know if I would do that. I would just

1849
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:43,879
Speaker 1: fucking drive full force into the gunman.

1850
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 3: But what if the guy?

1851
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 2: But what if the guy you would then become your

1852
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 2: I would probably do that.

1853
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 3: Knowing nothing about it. You're like, I'm probably just gonna

1854
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: kill this guy.

1855
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: But it's the other guy who's the killer, and they're like,

1856
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: thanks for killing the other person.

1857
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 3: We're making a short film. What are you doing.

1858
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 2: There's a camera to the motors. Cameraman is just like

1859
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 2: a sniper up in the.

1860
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

1861
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, this one's always you know, I love cold

1862
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: cases and unsolved shit, and this one is just like.

1863
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 3: This is exactly why.

1864
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: It's just like, I just don't think it's the complicated

1865
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: answers and if there are, if it is one of them,

1866
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: they're very you could see them being the right answer.

1867
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: Those two suspects are you know, it's definitely not the

1868
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: fucking not that they're engineers and they had government secrets,

1869
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: and it's not the brother.

1870
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 3: I really really don't think so well.

1871
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like they would have if they

1872
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: found something at the brother's house, everyone would know about

1873
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 2: it because that would be victory. And they would have

1874
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 2: if they could have, they would have pinned anything on

1875
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 2: that brother that would have lived in court.

1876
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 3: And obviously if there's nothing there, there's nothing there.

1877
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: And he made a really good point himself, and he's

1878
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: like he's kind of happy to talk to the news

1879
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: all the time.

1880
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys.

1881
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was like, if someone were if they

1882
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: were going to actually be a sniper and a hit

1883
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: on my brother, they why would they can kill him

1884
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: in another country with his entire family. They would have

1885
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: killed him two shots to the head while he was

1886
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 1: leaving work or like out and about. They wouldn't have

1887
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: This is such a messy fucking kill. Yeah, it's not that.

1888
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 2: And the kid to kill the whole family like for

1889
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: government secrets, Yeah, unless it's I mean sometimes they do

1890
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: that with killing the main guy.

1891
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 3: It sounds yes, exactly right.

1892
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 2: It's like a mafia thing like, yeah, it's not that

1893
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 2: because everybody goes everybody there is murdered and but one

1894
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 2: person is overkilled. Yeah, it's very interesting that thing of

1895
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 2: like the very clean military.

1896
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: Two shots to the head and two and it's it's

1897
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: such it's like one of the women were shot in

1898
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the forehead, like it's so exact.

1899
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 3: They're like a good shoot, yeah, shoot, a good shoot.

1900
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,799
Speaker 2: And also that they're not ducking like obviously they're sitting

1901
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: there and was the.

1902
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 3: Little daughter already under her mom's legs. I bet you

1903
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 3: she and mother was like get under here. You know,

1904
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 3: she probably saw what was happening outside the car, had

1905
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 3: great instincts jammed her under there.

1906
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe even did it just like the beginning of

1907
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 2: you pull up and there's weird Yeah, some weird vibe happening,

1908
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 2: and it's like get over here by me. Yeah, you know,

1909
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm kind of oh man, that's crazy.

1910
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 1: So the story is that the the brother still sees

1911
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: his niece's Zanibe. The older daughter had been shot. She

1912
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: made a full recovery and she and her younger sister, Zina.

1913
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: They now live in England with their maternal aunt and uncle.

1914
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: And the older daughter says she doesn't remember most of

1915
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: the attack. They're like trying to get her to remember it,

1916
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: only that. She says that there was only one bad man,

1917
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: and she remembers her father screaming to get in the car.

1918
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 3: That's why she out of the car. I don't know.

1919
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 3: That's the annisinth shootings. That means that he was in

1920
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 3: the car. No, he was out of the car.

1921
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 1: Get in the car. Yeah, out of the car, get

1922
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: in the let's get in the car. Like, get in

1923
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: the car. So maybe she did run out.

1924
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 3: To pee, yeah, and he and he yeah, he just

1925
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 3: got out.

1926
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: Good god, I know that's we're going to find out.

1927
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we're going to find out and have

1928
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: an update on this.

1929
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 3: It's so intense.

1930
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: It's also that frustrating thing of like somebody say, you,

1931
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 2: I don't remember you said what like.

1932
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 3: Nationality they were or they were from Iraq.

1933
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 2: So things like that happen, and people are victimized by

1934
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 2: a killer, but it suddenly goes into yeah victimly, yes

1935
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 2: you're a terrorist, Yeah, what did you do? What secrets

1936
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 2: did you steal?

1937
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 3: Right whatever?

1938
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: Anytime a fucking Muslim gets killed, it's because what did

1939
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: you do?

1940
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 3: What terror cell? Did you belong to?

1941
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 6: Where?

1942
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 2: No, also think of it like how many people not

1943
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 2: people I know, but like how many people have jobs

1944
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 2: where you could kind of connect it back to something.

1945
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 3: Everybody has secrets.

1946
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Everybody has something mysterious in their life or in their

1947
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 2: past that if you choose to look at that and

1948
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,879
Speaker 2: blow it up, yeah, that you could. I mean Jesus,

1949
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 2: that's the thing. And this is what we talked about earlier.

1950
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 2: It is just that the racial profiling will never make

1951
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 2: it fair to any of any kind of racial profiling,

1952
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 2: no matter what it is. It's like, it's never going

1953
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 2: to make it fair to fucking to it's never going

1954
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 2: to get you answers. No, it's well, the main problem

1955
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 2: with it is there is we all suffer from implicit

1956
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 2: bias because our brain makes decisions for us. It's old,

1957
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 2: it's reptilian, but it's that thing where you have to

1958
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 2: decide are you safe or not and why, and that

1959
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 2: implicit bias. Culturally, we have been told for years people

1960
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 2: of a certain ilk, people of a certain color are dangerous.

1961
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 6: That's the messaging, and that is the best and even

1962
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 6: different just someone don't even know how to. We don't

1963
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 6: know how to what's it called anticipate what their actions

1964
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 6: are going to be because we don't know who they are.

1965
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,919
Speaker 6: They're different somehow when they're just humans.

1966
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 2: Yes, well, and it's that you've seen the video of

1967
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 2: like the white boy with an AK forty seven in

1968
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 2: the middle of the street and the cops are like,

1969
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 2: put the gun down, with the gun down, and they

1970
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: wait and they talk to him, and it goes on

1971
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: and fucking on and everything, and they finally get the

1972
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 2: gun away from him.

1973
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 3: That's because they look at that person.

1974
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 2: That looks like them and they're like, this is fine,

1975
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: we can handle that threat.

1976
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you've got.

1977
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 2: A person who is a registered gun over gun owner

1978
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: who pulls over and there is a child in the car,

1979
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:44,640
Speaker 2: and they fucking shoot shoot into a car seven times,

1980
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 2: like thirty seconds after he gets pulled over, and thirty

1981
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 2: seconds after he's pulled.

1982
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 3: Over, and the fucking cop gets acquitted. Jesus Christ.

1983
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: I mean, the only good part about it not that

1984
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: there is a good part about that murder. The good

1985
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 2: part about the world we live in now, and as

1986
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 2: hard as it is to live in the world we

1987
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: live in now, is just like after uh, you know,

1988
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 2: this is a it's gonna sound bad, I for say,

1989
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 2: but like after a facial when all of a sudden

1990
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 2: you're so broken out that it's insane, pulls all the

1991
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: shit up.

1992
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 3: It's the same fucking thing is.

1993
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 2: For years people said to black people there's no such

1994
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 2: thing as racial profiling.

1995
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 3: There's not no, you don't get pulled over.

1996
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 2: As I get, it's all the same, all lives matter, bullshit.

1997
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 2: Nobody can say. I mean, people will say that still,

1998
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 2: they'll insist. But I think more and more people are

1999
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: waking up to the fact this is an undeniable truth

2000
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:45,680
Speaker 2: about a large swath of our population who are pinpointed

2001
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 2: and victimized because of the way they look, and not

2002
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 2: just victimized like somebody was rude to me. They're fucking

2003
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 2: being murdered in the street.

2004
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 3: And murder is the murders the word, it's not, it's murdering.

2005
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 2: I remember telling my sister and I were talking about it,

2006
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, I just read a thing.

2007
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to Uh. He was.

2008
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 4: He was.

2009
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 3: He's the lunch man at a school.

2010
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 2: And I know he knew all the allergies, the kids

2011
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 2: who had allergies, he knew them. He made sure that

2012
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,799
Speaker 2: they didn't get that food they know, like peanut allergy

2013
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like.

2014
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 3: He just this idea that we're just.

2015
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Taking out people based based on and and it's.

2016
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 3: The uh uh. There's a really good quote of.

2017
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: The the bad cops should be afraid of the good.

2018
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 3: Cops and not the other way around.

2019
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 2: It's this thing of not all cops are this way,

2020
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,799
Speaker 2: but the ones that are. If we have to stop

2021
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 2: saying that's okay that they are. If you're trained, the

2022
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 2: training needs to be such that you don't just murder

2023
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 2: people because you're scared.

2024
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Right, And even if the guy was a fucking drug

2025
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: dealer and not a fucking school teacher or the lunch guy.

2026
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 3: It's like, you still can't fucking sho can't murder people

2027
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 3: without any just cause? Right, it's that yeah, man.

2028
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 2: Because you have you're having a reaction, right, because you're scared,

2029
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: because you're not a human in the fucking world.

2030
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 3: Let's sit here tonight and saw this. Yeah, let's sit here.

2031
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 3: It's so frustrating.

2032
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 2: And also just the person we're talking about is Philander

2033
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: Castile who was murdered.

2034
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we should say that name. Yeah. Uh,

2035
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 3: you know, Let's stop murdering each other.

2036
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, ironically enough, let's stop murdering.

2037
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: Let's one of the good people like us, stand be

2038
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: in charge like us.

2039
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 3: Fuck, no, are you crazy? We're such good people and

2040
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 3: we're back. Are there updates for this case?

2041
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: There are updates. It's such a confounding case. On February

2042
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,759
Speaker 1: fifth of this year, twenty twenty five, French investigators introduced

2043
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: a new theory in this case that the family were

2044
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: targets of a season former soldier who was trained by

2045
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: the Swiss special forces. The soldier appeared to be staying

2046
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 1: at a campsite near the family and left the day

2047
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: of the murders. French investigators said the contract the same

2048
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 1: individual to a campsite six miles away from the murder

2049
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 1: of Xavier Balligant that occurred one year prior to the

2050
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: anc murders. Xavier was murdered three hundred miles away from Annisey.

2051
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 1: This murder also occurred using a rare Swiss weapon. Police

2052
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 1: had also been investigating the potential theory that serial killer

2053
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: nor Lyn lelandeis an ex soldier who was the main

2054
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,560
Speaker 1: suspect in other murders that occurred in the area. Lelandis

2055
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: has been in custody since twenty seventeen and is suspected

2056
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:50,520
Speaker 1: of kidnapping and murdering a young girl and killing a hitchhiker.

2057
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: And twenty twenty, investigators received a judicial expertise report back

2058
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: from a British forensic psychiatrist with a profile of the

2059
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: gunmen suspected in the Animal Sea shootings. It said he

2060
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 1: was probably in his thirties to forties, was accustomed to failure,

2061
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 1: lived alone, was underemployed, and had a previous criminal record. Then,

2062
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: in April of twenty twenties, and Knob told her aunt

2063
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 1: she remembered being grabbed by a man of average build

2064
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: who had bitten fingernails, and a year later she gave

2065
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: more detail, saying she remembered a man shouting at her

2066
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 1: to get back in the car before a fair skinned

2067
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 1: man dressed in leather grabbed her, and that senior, her

2068
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: younger sister, described the attacker as a bald, fair skin

2069
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: European male between the ages of forty five to fifty five,

2070
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: with badly shaven facial hair, blue eyes, and gray hairs

2071
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: on his round face and actually benderdict. Cumberpatch is set

2072
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: to produce a six part limited series based on the

2073
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: events called The Annisse Murders. So hopefully that'll do what

2074
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: the Yogurt Shop documentary did and bring more attention to

2075
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: this case, so they'll put more resources on it, and

2076
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: hopefully it can finally get solved.

2077
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be amazing.

2078
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well, now let's head back so we can wrap

2079
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 2: up the show.

2080
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 3: All right, Well, do you have anything fucking positive in this?

2081
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 3: You go no, I'm mad?

2082
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, Okay, Well, so I'm trying to stay off

2083
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 1: social media, and I especially because I haven't sew yet

2084
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: and it's really fucked up and it makes it makes

2085
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: it worse when I read stuff.

2086
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 3: So it's all bad news. It's just all bad news.

2087
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to read more because I really love reading,

2088
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 1: and it's I've realized it's just become this thing that

2089
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't fucking do anymore because I'm so like.

2090
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 3: Reading a book.

2091
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, reading a book, which is like one of my

2092
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,759
Speaker 1: fucking joys in life, aside from cats.

2093
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 3: So I found two now, which I'm.

2094
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: Really excited about, and so I'm like, which I never

2095
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: do this, I'm like toggling between them because one's spooky

2096
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: and creepy and one's like.

2097
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 3: Not. So the two I'm reading right now. We talked

2098
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 3: about this.

2099
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: She did a story on one of our minisodes, but

2100
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:01,799
Speaker 1: it's called Startup by Dori Schaffreers. I like just started

2101
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 1: reading it and I'm like more than halfway done. It's

2102
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: so fucking good. It's about like these fucked up tech

2103
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: people in the modern world, and what will make you

2104
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: want to do is like not ever look at your

2105
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 1: phone again.

2106
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 3: So it's really helpful. It's a novel or yeah, based

2107
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 3: on it's a novel, and it's like it's like millennial

2108
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,759
Speaker 3: techies in New York and how and it's these different

2109
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 3: stories about each of them. And it's just like it

2110
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 3: makes you glad for who you are anyways.

2111
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 2: And this is she's married to Matt Myra. Yes, that's

2112
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 2: how I know who she. I've never met her, yea,

2113
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 2: but I know her husband.

2114
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: And she's like a senior tech editor at BuzzFeed for years.

2115
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: So she's like, this book is clearly like really well done.

2116
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: It's it's really fucking intriguing good and I love it.

2117
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,759
Speaker 1: And then the creepy, fucking scary one that I'm totally

2118
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: I can't read that la because I'm scared, is called, uh,

2119
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:54,719
Speaker 1: it's called Black Mad Wheel, and it's by Josh Mallerman,

2120
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: which is actually a friend of Vince's from Michigan, and

2121
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 1: he wrote this incredible book called The Bird Box. It's creepy,

2122
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: fucked up and post apocalyptic, and this one's Black Mad

2123
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: Wheel and it's fucking creepy and it's about like this

2124
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: noise that the government comes to like make this Jude

2125
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,719
Speaker 1: who's a musician, find out where the noise is coming from,

2126
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 1: because it's like making nuclear shit not work anymore.

2127
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 3: And it's just like super spooky. Ooh, that's awesome. So

2128
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 3: fucking reading and getting out of this is making is

2129
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 3: helping me. That's good.

2130
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very good. What about you the positive thing?

2131
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 2: Oh well, this is okay. I will say it this way.

2132
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,839
Speaker 2: So I one night, and we've talked about the podcast,

2133
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 2: I crashed my car as I was leaving our recording total.

2134
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 2: I totaled the old Honda fit it got totaled.

2135
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 3: You didn't total it. Yeah, that's true.

2136
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 2: It was in a car accident that then totaled the

2137
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 2: because it was relatively worthless.

2138
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:54,440
Speaker 3: If only dog.

2139
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Hair was worth money, would have been the most expensive

2140
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 2: car in Los Angeles, but U the case. So since

2141
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 2: that time, and I think that was last November December,

2142
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 2: it was a long time ago, I haven't had a car.

2143
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 2: So I've been like taking lyft and taking over and

2144
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 2: just doing whatever for a while at a rental car,

2145
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 2: and I was spending so much money a week, like

2146
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 2: an idiot, like whatever. Well, I finally called my sister

2147
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 2: because then I started researching cars and car prices and

2148
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:26,600
Speaker 2: which ones are reliable whatever.

2149
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 3: And then it got worse, so overwhelming.

2150
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 2: Then I could not make a decision, and I was like,

2151
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 2: but I'm not a BMW person, but I don't want

2152
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 2: to buy. I don't want to spend a bunch of

2153
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 2: money on a kind of mediocre whatever. Finally I called

2154
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 2: my sister because I was going to go home.

2155
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 3: For Father's Day.

2156
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 2: I did go home for Father's Day. I called my

2157
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 2: sister and I was like, can you please help me?

2158
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 2: And she I think for so long, like my mom

2159
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 2: was sick for so long, and we were also stressed

2160
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 2: out for so long, and we were all just trying

2161
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 2: to get by for so long that like my sister

2162
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 2: and I would fight over nothing and then wed have

2163
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 2: to like stop talking for a while because.

2164
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 3: It was just bad.

2165
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 2: It's bad attention at tension and guilt and like everything.

2166
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 3: It was like nobody's nobody was happy right for twelve

2167
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 3: years and that was it ended two years ago.

2168
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 2: Uh you know, you know, which is a good thing

2169
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 2: ultimately so. But but I finally realized this is one

2170
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 2: of the main things my sister and I fight about,

2171
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 2: is how fucking controlling she is. Like I have to

2172
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 2: ask her to unlock the car door so I can

2173
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 2: get out, and it makes me so mad, like, oh,

2174
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 2: I have all these yeah, I have all these things

2175
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 2: where like if the car door is locked when I

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01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 2: try to get out of it, I am immediately enraged.

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Speaker 3: I'm the same way when I try to get into it,

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01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 3: you're coming to pick me up, or we're walking to

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01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 3: the car together, Andy and I have and I try

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01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 3: to open the handle and it doesn't fucking open, and

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01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, I'm there, dude, I totally get it, Like

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01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 3: why I just the like pull up of the handle

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01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 3: and it doesn't open immediately it makes me fear, how

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01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 3: dare you?

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01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 2: And for me, the pull of the car door and

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01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't open is like immediately I want to scream.

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01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 3: I'm not six years old like a six year old would.

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01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 2: So anyway, I just texted my sister or called her,

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01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 2: I can't remember, and I said, please help me buy

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01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 2: a car, and she.

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01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 3: Fucking basically delivered a new.

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01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 2: Car into my hands. And it was so awesome because

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01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 2: I felt guilty. I was only going up for this

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01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 2: basically forty eight hours to see my dad. I knew

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01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,759
Speaker 2: that was going to take a huge chunk of time,

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01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 2: which would in the past make her mad, but not.

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01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 3: She couldn't act mad, so it would be like all

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01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 3: that stuff God's sister.

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Speaker 2: So instead I was like, can you please help me,

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01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,680
Speaker 2: like I can't take another uber and she was like,

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01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 2: I got you. Yeah, and delivered well or just we're

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01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 2: all good at something different.

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01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 3: Well exactly, and she goes.

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01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 2: I said, thank you for momming me through this, and

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01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 2: she was like, it's my favorite thing to do. It's

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01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 2: like we basically figured out the good points of those

2207
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 2: things instead of all always the bad.

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01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 3: You used her her powers of being a control freak

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Speaker 3: for good.

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01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 2: Yes, And I got to get my baby. Somebody helped

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01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 2: me out and it worked, and it worked. You kind

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01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 2: of you asked for help and it and it was

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01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 2: delivered and.

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01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 3: I didn't get kicked in the goddamn teeth. So anyway, now.

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01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 2: I have a new car and I love it, and

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01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 2: I can make calls from my steering wheel and all

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01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 2: these things that.

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01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 3: Modern people just seem to do. You just got a

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01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 3: new flip phone and taped it, taped it to your

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01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 3: steering wheels. I got a new phone, and I got

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 3: a new car and it has a phone in it. Yeah,

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01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 3: it's a fucking sweet car. And it's made me want

2223
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 3: to buy a new car too. It's nice. It's well also,

2224
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 3: just you have to have a car.

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01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 2: You have to. I mean, I was I would do

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01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 2: things like I wouldn't have groceries and I'd be like,

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01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 2: I have to figure out the next time I go

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01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 2: to Georgia's and I take an uber home, Right first,

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01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:00,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm to walk.

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01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 3: To the grocery store and then I'll get the uber

2231
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 3: like shit like that where it's like, this is me,

2232
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 3: let's make my life harder. That's what I'm all about.

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01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 3: I like to stack problems and never solve.

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01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 1: My therapist is like, spend your fucking money, even if,

2235
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: like whatever money you have, spend a little chunk of

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01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 1: it to make your life fucking easier. Because you're always

2237
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 1: stressed out about making about life being hard.

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01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 3: That's right, you can't.

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01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 2: It's so true, Like you have to remind yourself of

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Speaker 2: the good part of what you have. Like there's lots

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01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 2: of things to be stressed out about it if you

2242
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 2: work really hard and you work all the time and

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01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 2: that's your life, I get it, and I do the

2244
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 2: same thing. Take the money that you make and instead

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01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 2: of being paranoid about not having this or that, spend

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01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 2: that money so you understand what the good part about

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01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 2: working hard.

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01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: Is for dude, And that's happened to me today. Get

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01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: your fucking house cleaned professionally, your apartment cleaned once a month. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't care how small your apartment is. Fucking brain changing, Yeah,

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01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: the right, good idea, it's brain changing. I'm gonna do

2252
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,600
Speaker 1: that chemistry change.

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01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 2: Also, I have to get a handyman to come and

2254
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:11,839
Speaker 2: pick up the couch that's just laying on my patio.

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Speaker 3: No one makes sense.

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01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 2: I'm a little Sandford and Son at my house just

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01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 2: because I can't.

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01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 3: It's that thing. I'm gonna have to call my sister

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01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 3: stuff like. That's hard.

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01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:24,599
Speaker 1: It's hard sometimes, man, We're just everyone's just doing our best. Yeah,

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01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 1: everyone's trying to do Stephen's best. But that's I wish.

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01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 1: I wish I could do Stephen's best.

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01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Stephen, if you owned a truck, you could take care

2264
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 2: of you tomorrow.

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01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 7: Do you want to buy me a truck?

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01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 2: Yes, Brent, Stephen at you Hal Laura gets Stephen a

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01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 2: t Lura.

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01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 4: Okay, we are back.

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01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 3: So this episode was originally titled Jews Versus.

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01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Catholics, So if we're re naming it today, maybe we

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01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 1: would call it.

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01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 2: A Milkmaid's Constitution, which is my joke that that's how

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01:50:58,280 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 2: Mary Ashford stayed out all night.

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01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 1: We could call it Georgia's early rave days, the remix

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01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 1: that Stephen made.

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01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 3: And then of course aka Korn, which is the joke

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01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:08,719
Speaker 3: we made about Mace.

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01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, guys for listening to another episode

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01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: of rewind Let's say goodbye back in the good old

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01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: shitty days of twenty seventeen, you guys is more than anything.

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01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for fucking listening and being good people, hopefully

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01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: even you skippers.

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01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,520
Speaker 3: Skippers and especially you Satanists.

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01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,919
Speaker 1: Yay, say sexy and don't get murdered.

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01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 3: Elvis, you want cookie. Bye,