Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. Caitlin,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, my friend. Thank you, it is your birthday.
Speaker 1: How old are you today?
Speaker 2: Well, according to my wearable, I'm whoop.
Speaker 3: I'm a thirty ninety point seven year old, so I'm
Speaker 3: going to go with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, something tells me you are in your forties, but
Speaker 1: I'll let you have your whoop day.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, who's going to argue with biology. I've been
Speaker 3: getting into the gym and lifting weights so my bones
Speaker 3: don't disintegrate. I've been, you know, keeping my heart rate
Speaker 3: into his own five wow, walking a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm trying my best, and that's according to my wearable,
Speaker 3: I'm thirty nine point seven.
Speaker 2: So I just want to argue with that, don't won.
Speaker 4: There's no there's no need to argue, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, Well, normally we start with questions, and they could
Speaker 1: be rolling in as this pod goes on, because I,
Speaker 1: as usual, left it a little late to ask the questions.
Speaker 1: But some people have sent in questions already, so we're
Speaker 1: going to start with them because we wanted to start
Speaker 1: with this topic and it was a question that was
Speaker 1: asked to me on the socials and it is from
Speaker 1: garum Hawa. Please address the recent WTA transphobic announcement around testing, etc.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's inevitable in this climate, but surely there
Speaker 1: has to be some pushback from players thoughts, even though
Speaker 1: we know that our major icons like Martina unfortunately support testing.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Let's ground this question in a news A news update. So,
Speaker 3: as of this weekend, it has been reported that the
Speaker 3: WTA will sex test players on the WTA tour, which
Speaker 3: means they will be testing players with a cheek swab,
Speaker 3: a blood test or a slab a sample to tell
Speaker 3: for the presence of the s R Y gene, which
Speaker 3: is part of the Y chromosome and causes male characteristics
Speaker 3: to develop. I'm reading this directly from the BBC, just
Speaker 3: in case anybody is worried that I'm editorializing. Players will
Speaker 3: be tested once in their lifetime and only in negative
Speaker 3: results showing no presence of the gene will permit them
Speaker 3: to compete on tour. If they test positive, players will
Speaker 3: face for their medical assessment before being allowed to play.
Speaker 3: The WTA's previously policy allowed transgender women to compete on
Speaker 3: the tour if they had lowered their testosterone levels to
Speaker 3: below two point five nano milli leaders continuously for the
Speaker 3: previous two years. There are no known transgender women currently
Speaker 3: playing on the WTA Tour. I want to start there
Speaker 3: because there are no known transgender women playing on the
Speaker 3: WTA Tour.
Speaker 2: And obviously we can get into the politics of this.
Speaker 3: Martina is on one side, sort of pretty famously and
Speaker 3: a lot of people you know that I think we
Speaker 3: probably mutually admire a on the other But why, My
Speaker 3: question is why is this happening right now? What is
Speaker 3: causing this to be a priority. And as we've discussed
Speaker 3: with the WTA Tour, who is you know, facing budget shortfallows,
Speaker 3: They've had to change in leadership, They've undergone, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of a rebrand under Martina Rosati, the new WTA
Speaker 3: Venture's chair. What is making this a priority?
Speaker 1: Your answer question, your thoughts are as the same as mine.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: As you already stated, the w TA, who is in
Speaker 1: all kinds of sort of like you know, problems financially
Speaker 1: as you already stated, amongst other things, decided that they're
Speaker 1: just going to throw this spanner in the works.
Speaker 4: As we like to say in Australia, it makes no
Speaker 4: sense to me.
Speaker 1: We had, of course, we've had a transgender player already
Speaker 1: play on the WTA too, a long long time ago.
Speaker 1: Of course, Renee Richards famously played during the Martine era
Speaker 1: and Billy Jin King and Renee Richards interestingly became one
Speaker 1: of Martina Nevralova's coaches back in the day. And from
Speaker 1: what I heard in the you know on the streets,
Speaker 1: is that Renee even she said that he doesn't think
Speaker 1: that there should be transgender players in the professional realm,
Speaker 1: but there aren't any, So why is this a problem?
Speaker 1: And for such a small percentage of people in the
Speaker 1: world that identify themselves as trans This is my biggest thing.
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, and yes I'm very
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of Martina and a lot of
Speaker 1: these former players because I don't see it as a problem,
Speaker 1: and no man is deciding at eighteen or twenty years
Speaker 1: of age. You know what, I think I can win
Speaker 1: Wimbledon if I just become a woman. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to start taking estrogen and do all these things to
Speaker 1: get myself a Wimbledon title. It just doesn't happen. And
Speaker 1: so we're taking away such a small, tiny minute section
Speaker 1: of the world to make a point right now, Why
Speaker 1: what has happened to make the WTA decide that this
Speaker 1: is part of an agenda that they want to pick
Speaker 1: up and run with in the middle of the year.
Speaker 3: It's so strange. And I actually interviewed Renana Richards. We
Speaker 3: were doing a project for A twenty four a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago about World Team Tennis, which she was
Speaker 3: a pioneering presence in and.
Speaker 2: Her presence on that tour.
Speaker 3: WTA World Team Tennis was the brainchild of Billy Jean
Speaker 3: King and Larry King, her late husband, who formed essentially
Speaker 3: the first team event that mixed genders, all of them
Speaker 3: and had mascots, and it was friends coming back and
Speaker 3: It's coming back, and it was really rivaling the tours
Speaker 3: for attention and player participation.
Speaker 2: All the greats played it.
Speaker 1: Everyone, I mean a lot of top of the place
Speaker 1: didn't even go to Australia. They played World Team Tennis.
Speaker 1: They didn't need to go and play a major title.
Speaker 1: Because of that. That's just why Margaret Courts twenty four
Speaker 1: shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: Well, among many reasons, Margaret Courts record shouldn't be taken seriously,
Speaker 3: but a lot of them are because players didn't play
Speaker 3: the Australian Open, they played World Team Tennis. They also
Speaker 3: skipped at times the European Majors to play just because
Speaker 3: they were getting money. So we interviewed Renee Richards as
Speaker 3: part of this. I interviewed to Renne Richards, and she
Speaker 3: was really thoughtful. She was a lovely human being who
Speaker 3: sort of talked about how wonderful it was to be
Speaker 3: seen and represented. And she played tennis with a man
Speaker 3: called John Lucas who had been an NBA player, and
Speaker 3: the two of them, you know, touring through the sort
Speaker 3: of recently Voting Rights Act transformed deep South, you know,
Speaker 3: post Jim Crow, and how she could sometimes go in
Speaker 3: and get a beer at a roadhouse but he couldn't
Speaker 3: because he was black, and sometimes she would get looked
Speaker 3: askance at, and he had kind of had her back,
Speaker 3: and they sort of formed this really indevilable on and
Speaker 3: off court duo, you know, And she said, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was just so much stronger than the other players. I
Speaker 3: get why the WTI didn't let me plan the tour.
Speaker 3: And it was really lovely to play in the World
Speaker 3: Team Tennis Tour. It wasn't out a spout malice or spite,
Speaker 3: but it was an interesting point, you know, And I
Speaker 3: think there's honestly some validity to it, Like I get why,
Speaker 3: you know, in college athletics and in high school athletics
Speaker 3: there are some dialogues going on.
Speaker 2: I do get it.
Speaker 3: I'm not insensitive to the idea that you know, there
Speaker 3: are genetic differences at the same time, why the WTA,
Speaker 3: why now? What is the point of this, and why
Speaker 3: at a time when people are feeling the most marginalized
Speaker 3: and hated probably in their entire existence, is because of
Speaker 3: how much of a culture war this is turned into.
Speaker 3: Do this the WTA decide to even wigh into it?
Speaker 3: That's more really my question. It's like, this doesn't come
Speaker 3: from an actual incident. This isn't related to any actual
Speaker 3: tennis player where we've had somebody come and say, hey,
Speaker 3: I have you know some genetic advantages here that has
Speaker 3: happened in high school and college sports. It hasn't happened
Speaker 3: at the WTA Tour level. And so it's really really
Speaker 3: baffling to me. And it's a good question from Garam.
Speaker 3: I don't really get what it is that the WTA
Speaker 3: is focused on if this is it, and why it's
Speaker 3: not focused on regaining its place as the pre eminent
Speaker 3: league for women's sports, because, as we've sort of all agreed,
Speaker 3: it was out so far in front with fifty years
Speaker 3: of you know, really successful operation, and it's fallen behind
Speaker 3: the other sports. I don't think anybody would say that
Speaker 3: women's tennis is the most popular or most fan engaged
Speaker 3: women's sports, even though the athletes are getting paid the most.
Speaker 3: I think they would point to basketball or women's football.
Speaker 3: I think they would point to maybe even hockey. But
Speaker 3: tennis isn't isn't the top anymore, and I think that
Speaker 3: should be between that and financial stability should obviously be
Speaker 3: the focus. Maybe it will be, but it's really baffling.
Speaker 3: I've reached out to some friends of mine on the
Speaker 3: various boards, but I haven't hurt anything back.
Speaker 1: I suspect you won't hear anything back, really, because I
Speaker 1: just think that they think this is such a lightning
Speaker 1: rod conversation, which is why it's so baffling that they
Speaker 1: would even do this, Like why rock a boat that's
Speaker 1: not sinking at this point? You know the thing that
Speaker 1: might be sinking is you know, just the WTA financials
Speaker 1: in general. So why you going out and seeking sponsorship
Speaker 1: deals and going after like you said, I mean, they
Speaker 1: are falling behind the WNBA, the PWHL Women's Professional Hockey League,
Speaker 1: the NWSL, all the money that is flowing into the
Speaker 1: pre eminent sports here in the United States, for example,
Speaker 1: are getting more play. They're getting on TV more, you know,
Speaker 1: and not to bash tennis channel, but again, like even
Speaker 1: NWSL and the WNBA is currently a lot on ESPN
Speaker 1: on the weekends. I see it all the time, whether
Speaker 1: it be you know, at night it's Prime, It's on
Speaker 1: various different American networks. Whereas if you don't pay for
Speaker 1: a subscription of tennis channel, you're not really watching it.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think, you know, that's where we're
Speaker 1: falling behind. But yet here we are going after a
Speaker 1: social conversation that I just think it's so stupid, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because this happened a lot started.
Speaker 1: The conversation started a lot around the Olympics, you know,
Speaker 1: when we had the female boxer from Tunisia and you know,
Speaker 1: there was controversy about you know, her sex, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I know, because when I played the
Speaker 1: first Olympics in Atlanta, I had to actually do a
Speaker 1: sex test myself and we actually got given a card
Speaker 1: to basically say, oh, you're a woman, like you have
Speaker 1: the genes of a female, therefore you can participate. So
Speaker 1: I don't know where that went to and back. Clearly
Speaker 1: when I did it, I was like, this is weird, seriously,
Speaker 1: So I thought it was such an invasion of my
Speaker 1: own privacy back then, and now they're sort of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're doing that for the Olympics anymore,
Speaker 1: So it's sort of a little bit weird. I did
Speaker 1: it back in, you know, for the eighty six Olympics.
Speaker 1: Now I don't believe they're doing it now for the
Speaker 1: current Olympics. So I don't really know what's going on
Speaker 1: in that front. And so why the WTA needs to
Speaker 1: venture into this category of controversy, It's just bizarre to me.
Speaker 3: I am excited to see the WTA promote their new
Speaker 3: finals location, which is a tried and true tenni environment,
Speaker 3: tennis environment filled with fans, direct flights from you know,
Speaker 3: many many major cities I'm you know, and it'll be
Speaker 3: televised in a time that a lot of tennis fans
Speaker 3: are watching. I'm excited that the WTA has incredible players
Speaker 3: with incredible rivalries, and we just saw on you know,
Speaker 3: a new champion emerge. I'm excited for so many things
Speaker 3: about the WTA Tour. So, like, you know, again, whenever
Speaker 3: we talked abou the WTA, it's always like with a
Speaker 3: little bit of an air of bafflement, like, well.
Speaker 2: Why you guys have a great product, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: And this is sort of yeah, it's just so nuts
Speaker 3: to me that this is the priority and it's coming
Speaker 3: seemingly out of nowhere. There is I guess a chance
Speaker 3: and this is maybe like the journalist in me who's thinking,
Speaker 3: maybe there's an incident or there's a situation or a
Speaker 3: player that we don't know about, something's happened behind the
Speaker 3: scenes that we have no insight into that has has
Speaker 3: triggered a policy change, and then we could debate the
Speaker 3: policy and why it's being you know, why it's being
Speaker 3: updated and what it is about, you know, the way
Speaker 3: that women's sports in these in this time can or
Speaker 3: should be operating. But not knowing that it just comes
Speaker 3: across as extremely random when there are so so so
Speaker 3: many bigger fish to fry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's so many bigger fish to fry, I
Speaker 1: mean even on our own tours, and you know the
Speaker 1: situations and we've seen, we've run the gamut of those
Speaker 1: over the last you know, fifteen twenty years that I've
Speaker 1: been a part of the thirty years that I've been
Speaker 1: out here on tour. And you know, whether it be
Speaker 1: coaches and inappropriate relationships, and you know, aggressive behavior, whether
Speaker 1: it be physical or emotional, and you know, we have
Speaker 1: safeguarding down to the WTA. Honestly, seriously, half the time
Speaker 1: wonder what they do because I never see them at tournaments,
Speaker 1: so how can they view things that are happening on
Speaker 1: the tour. But yet let's go after some you know, boogeyman,
Speaker 1: it's a amount for what reason?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It feels imaginary? Yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean, the WTA is a ton of staff in
Speaker 3: at least two countries that are having board meetings all
Speaker 3: the time and toward end yeah this like, no.
Speaker 1: They're too busy getting upset at me for tweeting out
Speaker 1: stuff about the you know, the lack of humanity to
Speaker 1: a player after a final I Madrid. Then they are
Speaker 1: worried about, like actually worrying about things that absolutely matter,
Speaker 1: like go after more sponsorship. Don't bring up a subject
Speaker 1: that doesn't need to be talked about.
Speaker 4: It is there. And I just wonder from the players board.
Speaker 1: Perspective, because there is a player board, I would like
Speaker 1: to have comments from them in regards to that.
Speaker 2: It could be the guys, so it could be that
Speaker 2: the players are pushing for it.
Speaker 4: And that's my point.
Speaker 1: So if the players are pushing for this, if there
Speaker 1: is a majority of the board saying we should be
Speaker 1: sex testing our players, then I want to know who
Speaker 1: they are. And I want to know if the players
Speaker 1: are the ones that are pushing for this. If they're not,
Speaker 1: then that's even worse that the WTA higher ups decided, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a hill we're gonna die on.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a good point.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it sounds like something that we should definitely,
Speaker 3: like I said, I've texted a number of folks I
Speaker 3: am sure you can or have and so let's kind
Speaker 3: of keep the discussion a lot like to me, my
Speaker 3: favorite conversations on this show are when we talk about
Speaker 3: systemic stuff, just because there's so much to get into
Speaker 3: and again the product is so good. These players are upholding,
Speaker 3: they're part of the bargain. They're showing up weekend, week out,
Speaker 3: They've got an insane schedule. Their bodies are going through
Speaker 3: all sorts of wear and tear, and they're delivering in
Speaker 3: front of crowds large and small across the world, week in,
Speaker 3: week out, and I feel like, you know, it is
Speaker 3: up to the powers that be to make sure that
Speaker 3: they are well compensated, to make sure that they're protected.
Speaker 2: And in a strange way, it could be maybe a case.
Speaker 3: That again this is coming from a player that's coming
Speaker 3: from we don't know, And I kind of want us
Speaker 3: to stay on it because it's a systemic thing that
Speaker 3: definitely feels without context, you know, completely random and indicative
Speaker 3: of a lack of focus on the stuff that matters,
Speaker 3: which is make sure the tour is healthy, not losing money,
Speaker 3: and that these women have, you know, the representation and
Speaker 3: the safety and the security for their livelihoods, which.
Speaker 2: You know, we know that they depend on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's get to mister Scott Gayham again. He
Speaker 1: actually said the heaviness of the first question he wanted
Speaker 1: us to know, tell us a fantasy women's semi final
Speaker 1: at Wimble and any player from any era at their
Speaker 1: peak and predict who would win each match and final.
Speaker 1: I hate predicting who would win, so I'm not.
Speaker 2: Going to do that. Don't you do it every single time? No? No, no,
Speaker 2: I do it every time.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I will do a prediction of players,
Speaker 1: but I will not do it from different eras because
Speaker 1: I just think it's so ridiculous to compare greats from
Speaker 1: every era and say who would win different strings, different rackets,
Speaker 1: different balls, different conditions, different training schedules, different everything, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of funny like watching that modern
Speaker 1: day players, for example, do warm ups.
Speaker 4: And I've had this discussion.
Speaker 1: With a couple of players over the last couple of
Speaker 1: decades and you know, no offense. But back in our day,
Speaker 1: I can't even remember anyone really quote unquote warming up
Speaker 1: for a match, right. I mean, we would go maybe
Speaker 1: run on the treadmill, you know, do some little ups
Speaker 1: and downs and get a bit of a sweat going
Speaker 1: and da dah, da da dah, and then go out
Speaker 1: and play. What I see now with these players is
Speaker 1: they're doing like twenty to thirty minute warm ups, like dynamic, stretching,
Speaker 1: dynamic this, and they're rolling the ball and they' dah
Speaker 1: dah da da da, And I'm like, and then they
Speaker 1: go out and I see them not be aggressive in
Speaker 1: the hit in the five minute warm up that they have,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of like lazing it about, and then
Speaker 1: they lose their Foe Service game because they're not really
Speaker 1: quite ready. And I go and I'm thinking to myself
Speaker 1: because this has happened to me with players that I've
Speaker 1: actually coached, and I'm like, how can you not have
Speaker 1: been ready?
Speaker 4: What the fuck was the point of the twenty minute
Speaker 4: warm up.
Speaker 1: That you did with the ball and the da da
Speaker 1: da dada and you weren't really moving?
Speaker 4: Were you nervous? I don't really get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember back in the day with Steffie
Speaker 1: and you know, a ranch of Santas of Curry. They
Speaker 1: would do like a quick warm up and then they
Speaker 1: get on the court and do a five minute warm
Speaker 1: up and they were ready to go play. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny to me and I have laughed about
Speaker 1: this with certain players of certain ages where we're just
Speaker 1: like they're doing a twenty minute warm up and then
Speaker 1: they stand around for five minutes before they walk on
Speaker 1: the court, I'm like, well, now all that's gone to
Speaker 1: the shitter. So even like I don't know what players
Speaker 1: did prior back in the day and then go and
Speaker 1: play a match or not, and now picking an era
Speaker 1: of like the greatest semi final and trying to pick
Speaker 1: a winner of that is kind of impossible, but I
Speaker 1: would I would venture to say I would love to see,
Speaker 1: you know, Stephie in one.
Speaker 4: Semifinal at Wimbledon.
Speaker 1: Clearly I would love to see Martina and Avilova, and
Speaker 1: of course I would probably like to see Venus and
Speaker 1: Serena Williams. I mean, really, those are the four greatest
Speaker 1: players at Wimbledon over the last couple of decades. So
Speaker 1: I would like to see Serena against Martina and Venus
Speaker 1: against Stephie, and then maybe Stephi against Serena in the final.
Speaker 1: But it's hard to peek against Martina, who won nine
Speaker 1: Wimbledon titles. But you can't compare the because you know,
Speaker 1: Martina was serving in volleying and it was the grass
Speaker 1: was different back then and now it's like a bloody
Speaker 1: hard court. We're looking at the players that have won
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years that really have been
Speaker 1: kind of more hardcourt sort of type of players and eager.
Speaker 1: She on tech probably wouldn't have won Wimbledon twenty years
Speaker 1: ago with the grass away there was but because of
Speaker 1: the weather, because the ball bounce is higher. Now we're
Speaker 1: getting players that actually feel very comfortable on a grass
Speaker 1: court because it is way different to what it was
Speaker 1: twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: May I add in a name, sure, Billy Jinking, no belly.
Speaker 2: Jan King won a ton of Wimbledon. She doesn't need
Speaker 2: twenty You know.
Speaker 3: Who I I think she won like six Wimbledon. She
Speaker 3: has like eleven slams, right, eleven or twelve? Justin Hannah,
Speaker 3: Justin Hannah should have won a Wimbledon. She got to
Speaker 3: two finals. She had the perfect game prograss. She had
Speaker 3: named Immaculate Slaice. She has an Olympic gold medal. She
Speaker 3: won the Athens Olympics in two thousand and four. She
Speaker 3: won the tour finals twice. She won the Australian Open,
Speaker 3: she won the French ship in four times. She won
Speaker 3: the O's Opened two two times. I was there for
Speaker 3: one of those times when she beat Venus and Serena
Speaker 3: in the same tournament. It was awesome to me Justine
Speaker 3: Hannah was the only person at her peak who had
Speaker 3: a good record against Serena Williams. She didn't have a
Speaker 3: winning record against Serena Williams. I believe it's eight and
Speaker 3: six or something like that, but it's close and they
Speaker 3: pushed each other. She to me, was the closest the
Speaker 3: Serena actually had to a real rivalry and I would
Speaker 3: love to see them play on Wimbledon, the two thousand's,
Speaker 3: early two thousand nineties Wimbledon where it's really grass. It's
Speaker 3: not a hard court now to your point, but to me,
Speaker 3: Justin Hannah should be part of the conversation because I
Speaker 3: feel like she could complete everything about her career. I
Speaker 3: know Scott Gaham's question was about the semifinals, but I
Speaker 3: am going to interpret it as I would like to
Speaker 3: see Justine Hannah play on grass and kind of take
Speaker 3: on all comers and see and see if she could
Speaker 3: get another shot at it.
Speaker 1: Listen, Kaitlin, I had to tell you this, but as
Speaker 1: Rafael Nadal said, ef ef EF does not exist, and
Speaker 1: if you didn't win it, you didn't win it, and
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity to win it and you'd didn't
Speaker 1: when you played Maresmo, I believe in the final?
Speaker 4: Correct, Am I correct? And that's one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, So if you don't beat Maresmo in the finals,
Speaker 1: you are not as good on grass. And that's just
Speaker 1: a fact. Why because marizzoad go into the net a
Speaker 1: little bit more, she had a little bit more on her.
Speaker 1: So sorry, I can't put her in that category.
Speaker 3: I'm not nobody's asking you to put her in the category.
Speaker 3: I'm saying I would like to see Justine Hannah. I
Speaker 3: am answering the question. Your your feedback is neither required
Speaker 3: nor is it desired. Really, wow, this is Scott. Scott
Speaker 3: presumably asked the question and wanted it to be entertained
Speaker 3: in a number of different ways.
Speaker 1: So okay, well that's fine. You you want to throw
Speaker 1: who are you going to take out of that?
Speaker 3: For that I mentioned, I don't need to take anybody
Speaker 3: out you Also, he said the entire East Eve Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw Stephie want at a billion times,
Speaker 3: Venus seven, I've seen a bunch, so yeah, I'll take
Speaker 3: Venus or Steffie out of there, not not doing any
Speaker 3: disrespect just because I've already seen the play at a
Speaker 3: bunch of times I.
Speaker 2: Want to see something new.
Speaker 1: Oh, this isn't about okay, so this is just purely
Speaker 1: about what you want to see as far as like
Speaker 1: your favorite player, because we know that Ana is your
Speaker 1: favorite player of all time.
Speaker 3: Fantasy Women's semi Final Draft Fantasy Okay, it's not who
Speaker 3: are the four best? It's yeah, but you gave me one.
Speaker 3: Do you like to see you only gave one? That's
Speaker 3: fes because I don't disagree with your other choices.
Speaker 4: Ah, but that's what I said. You have to take
Speaker 4: one person out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone, I'll take Steffy out. I'll take step out.
Speaker 3: That's fine, Wow, because she's already a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: I've seen her play it a bunch of times. I
Speaker 3: know what she looks like holding the Venus rosewater dish.
Speaker 3: I want a player in there who's never held it.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, with that nonsense, we're going to take
Speaker 1: a break when we're going to come back, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk more about Actually I want to talk
Speaker 1: more about a little bit about the nuances of that
Speaker 1: Wimbledon final that we spoke about last week. But I
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about some of the
Speaker 1: emotional side of it that it's taken me a few
Speaker 1: days to sort of get over after break.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Caitlin, we talked about.
Speaker 1: The Wimbledon tournament in you know, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: grandeur and what happened last last week. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I sort of sat watching the British Open golf
Speaker 1: yesterday and watching this guy, Ryan Fox win on the
Speaker 1: most amazing eighteenth hole he played and birdied at thirty
Speaker 1: nine years of age, and the emotion and he told
Speaker 1: his caddy don't you cry.
Speaker 4: I'm going to start crying.
Speaker 1: And then watching Spain win the World Cup yesterday Viva
Speaker 1: and Vamus Espana. I'm sorry for all our Argentinian listeners,
Speaker 1: but I really am not.
Speaker 3: We Argentinian listeners hold your country's standard of sportsmanship to
Speaker 3: a higher, to a higher standard.
Speaker 2: That was plus well, if you're an.
Speaker 3: Argentine fan, I would be hanging my head in sham
Speaker 3: as to how my team comported itself on the field.
Speaker 3: I don't care win or lose. You don't start fights,
Speaker 3: you don't act out of pocket. That was whatever is
Speaker 3: in the sporting culture right now in Argentina that allows
Speaker 3: for that is you blew it, start over every single
Speaker 3: one of those players that should be bound for games
Speaker 3: much less. I wouldn't let Argentina compete on the world
Speaker 3: stage after the performance they put into this World Cup.
Speaker 3: Absolutely despicable MESSI ruined his legacy.
Speaker 2: That's my thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes, cakate line, this is why. This
Speaker 1: is why sometimes I know you when you get in
Speaker 1: a little you come back from Mexico and you're like
Speaker 1: all fired up, even on your birthday.
Speaker 4: But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: It was despicable. And also by far, Spain was the
Speaker 1: better team. I mean, they had six thousand shots on goal.
Speaker 1: Tina had zero. That is on you as a team.
Speaker 1: That is on your players. That isn't your coach. That
Speaker 1: is on you, guys, and you're going to start like
Speaker 1: swinging at the Spanish players after the game.
Speaker 4: Come on, give me a break. You guys should have
Speaker 4: lost six zero.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, So the my point of bringing this
Speaker 1: up is the emotion of sports, right, and the emotions
Speaker 1: of winning and losing. And I just think back to
Speaker 1: and we didn't really get into the nuances of that
Speaker 1: final and sort of the close friendship between Mukhova and Noskova,
Speaker 1: but also just the fact that Lindak Noskova was able to,
Speaker 1: you know, deal with the death of her mum, who
Speaker 1: she was so close to.
Speaker 4: Her mum was on tour quite a lot with her.
Speaker 1: Mum was like a lot more involved with her tennis
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing her mum quite often on the tour,
Speaker 1: And I would love to get into the head of
Speaker 1: Linda Noskova when she left the court, you know, when
Speaker 1: she put her fingers over her ears because she wanted
Speaker 1: to block the noise. The only thing time I've ever
Speaker 1: seen that was when Bianca Drescu played Serena in the
Speaker 1: finals of the US Open and blocked her ears and
Speaker 1: I think it was like five very similar scoreline actually
Speaker 1: in the second set, when it was like she was
Speaker 1: so close to winning, and then Serena came back. And
Speaker 1: I would love to get into the mind of a
Speaker 1: player when she leaves the court like that and sort
Speaker 1: of looks herself in the mirror, and what she went
Speaker 1: through to walk back onto the court and play such
Speaker 1: an amazing third set, and the strength that she showed.
Speaker 1: And then you hear the stories of her going to
Speaker 1: Tanzania in her off season to like volunteer at a
Speaker 1: school and her dad talking about how difficult all it
Speaker 1: was for him growing up, you know, with the kids
Speaker 1: growing up and how little money they had, And I
Speaker 1: just think about the families up there and what they
Speaker 1: went through and the dad's shaking hands after the match,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just the sport is so
Speaker 1: amazing like that. And we saw the worst of it
Speaker 1: yesterday with the Argentinian players, but we saw the best
Speaker 1: of it with you know, Noskova and Mukhova and the
Speaker 1: fathers in the crowd and the way they both handled
Speaker 1: that whole that moment. And I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: it's why I love sports so much, is that we
Speaker 1: see the best of people.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we see the worst of it. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think it's something that we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: enough last week. In how Linda Noskova handled just such
Speaker 1: unbelievable disappointment in the second set to come back and
Speaker 1: win that third set was just remarkable.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that think she can get
Speaker 4: to number one in the world. I don't know how you.
Speaker 2: Feel, you are you one of them.
Speaker 4: I definitely think she can be top three.
Speaker 1: To get to number one in the world, you've got
Speaker 1: to be really consistent all the time. Do I think
Speaker 1: that she has the capability to doing that, Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: I think her serve is a little bit still vulnerable,
Speaker 1: the second serve in particular. It's the one thing I
Speaker 1: said on the network in Australia actually when she lost
Speaker 1: in Australia. She lost to Tali Gibson in Australia, and
Speaker 1: one of the things I said was that Martina Hingis's
Speaker 1: mom has done a great thing with teaching Martina Hingis
Speaker 1: how to hit groundstrokes and Belinda Bencicic and Linda Noskova
Speaker 1: and their young career. But the one thing that she
Speaker 1: does not teach well and I would definitely not send
Speaker 1: my kid to Melanie Molitor, is a serve. The thing
Speaker 1: that Noskova does well in that situation is that she's
Speaker 1: strong and she can hit it big. But it is
Speaker 1: definitely a part of her game that can get much better.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know how she can change
Speaker 1: the service motion so much anymore. She's, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: one going on twenty two, but that would be an
Speaker 1: area that I think can get even better and bigger.
Speaker 1: And if that does happen, yeah, I do think she
Speaker 1: can get to number one in a well because she
Speaker 1: does everything really well and she has an amazing disposition
Speaker 1: on the court.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no arguments here. I'm ready to talk about the
Speaker 3: tournaments that just concluded over the weekend, because there were
Speaker 3: i know, really fun. Well, it's not the only reason why.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that we had a lot of
Speaker 3: other players who haven't been in the headlines as much
Speaker 3: lately making really strong runs. Like I'm thinking of Paula Budosa,
Speaker 3: for example, who didn't win the tournament in Romania. She
Speaker 3: lost to mayosher If, the Egyptian player who's very fun
Speaker 3: and dynamic to watch, but she made a final play,
Speaker 3: especially on clay. You know, we saw Maria Sakar, who's
Speaker 3: had a rough go of it the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: you know, come up a little short against Barbara Kerdjikova,
Speaker 3: who herself has had a struggle obviously since going out
Speaker 3: with injuries. So you know, Andre Rublev won a title
Speaker 3: over the weekend in Bostad. So it's just sort of like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is fun. I like the idea that some of
Speaker 3: our are more you know, are tried, insured time members
Speaker 3: who haven't necessarily had a good couple of past seasons
Speaker 3: were able to take some titles, and you know, for me,
Speaker 3: the Slams are exciting. Obviously they attract a lot of
Speaker 3: the casual fans. To your point earlier about Tennis Channel,
Speaker 3: if you don't subscribe and you don't pay, it is
Speaker 3: hard to watch tennis on TV. I mean, even watching ESPN,
Speaker 3: it makes you go through a streaming subscription tier now
Speaker 3: and they don't put all the matches on the main channel.
Speaker 3: So being a tennis fan in America is very hard
Speaker 3: because of how little access we actually have day in
Speaker 3: and day out of watching tennis. But if you do
Speaker 3: subscribe to a streaming service like Tennis Channel, you see
Speaker 3: all these amazing tournaments. And to me, you know, I
Speaker 3: can get just as excited, if not more, about a
Speaker 3: you know, WTA two fifty final with Maria Sakary and
Speaker 3: Berba Kujikova than I can, you know, a Wimbledon final,
Speaker 3: because I like both those players and they both have
Speaker 3: interesting stories to me, and they have a cool contrast
Speaker 3: in styles. And you know, there's Marius Sachary playing in
Speaker 3: front of a home crowd in Athens, which is a
Speaker 3: relatively new tournament. So to me, tennis is great because
Speaker 3: it takes us in. It's everywhere every week, and it's
Speaker 3: happening everywhere. And even though this is a really weird
Speaker 3: stretch of the calendar because it's not quite US Open
Speaker 3: pre North American hardcourt season yet. Although some of these
Speaker 3: tournaments obviously are on heard, like I mentioned, a lot
Speaker 3: of the tournaments are on clay. You know, we had
Speaker 3: a grasscourt tournament last week in Newport, So you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's still a bit of a limbo kind of
Speaker 3: feeling to it. But I love the fact that there's
Speaker 3: amazing matches going on. And there's some names you know
Speaker 3: back in back in the headlines, and yes, Stephans tissy
Speaker 3: Pass is one of them. Fine, I just but for
Speaker 3: that crazy gay, I love him. I love that he's crazy.
Speaker 1: For me, it was good to see because you know,
Speaker 1: we know he's famously finally flicked his dad as a coach.
Speaker 1: And for our listeners of our part, I think Renee
Speaker 1: Stubbs has been asking for that for a number of years.
Speaker 2: Not you're not the only one. Pretty much everybody has
Speaker 2: been like.
Speaker 1: A number of a disaster and you know, he finally
Speaker 1: did it, and you know a lot of people are like, well,
Speaker 1: you know his dad's gotten in here, He's gotten in there.
Speaker 4: I'm like no.
Speaker 1: But the problem is that Steph loses his shit on
Speaker 1: the court, and half the time it's not even at
Speaker 1: his tennis it's at his dad, and his dad is
Speaker 1: yelping at him from the sidelines, saying stuff that is
Speaker 1: so negative. I know because I was told what he
Speaker 1: was saying at times by somebody who speaks Greek. So
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, maybe you need somebody out there who's
Speaker 1: like rah rahring you and making you feel good.
Speaker 4: And half the time, you know, that's what coaches do.
Speaker 1: You know, there's certain you know, things that you have
Speaker 1: to tell your player, whether it be x's and o's
Speaker 1: and what we're going to work on and what we
Speaker 1: need to get better at. But in the end, you
Speaker 1: have to have someone who's supportive of you, who is
Speaker 1: really believes in you. When you get into the trenches,
Speaker 1: when you get down, you know those five match points
Speaker 1: the second round and you look up and spend Greenefeld
Speaker 1: is pounding his chest and saying, keep fighting. You need
Speaker 1: to look up and see a coach who believes in you,
Speaker 1: who thinks that you can still win, and not somebody
Speaker 1: who's going to yelp negative shit at you that makes
Speaker 1: you feel terrible about yourself on the court. So clearly
Speaker 1: that finally is working for Steph.
Speaker 4: It's nice to see him back.
Speaker 1: And yeah, with the polar Badosa thing, you know, with
Speaker 1: her run for winning a one twenty five and then
Speaker 1: coming in and getting to the finals, there is two fifty.
Speaker 1: Her ranking is back now up inside the top one hundred,
Speaker 1: so that means that she will get automatically in the
Speaker 1: US Open, which is great because she won't have play Quie.
Speaker 1: She's too good a player, a former number two in
Speaker 1: the world to be playing qualifying. But unfortunately for her,
Speaker 1: her buddy also broke down on her again in the
Speaker 1: final when she was done a setin for love to Sharif.
Speaker 1: But if the body is there, she has the game,
Speaker 1: and so you know, nobody's going to want to play
Speaker 1: a player with her caliber of ball striking and serving
Speaker 1: going into the hard court season if she's back physically okay,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was great to see that. And Babora
Speaker 1: Krajikova is one of these players as well that gets
Speaker 1: kind of a role on and look, look how great
Speaker 1: she played at Wimbledon after again coming off some you know,
Speaker 1: health issues and things like that, and pushes Mukhovah to
Speaker 1: the absolute brink. It was one of the best matches
Speaker 1: of the tournament was that Mukhovah Kujikova match was just
Speaker 1: awesome to watch all caught tennis and Krejikova when she's
Speaker 1: at her best is really hard to beat because she
Speaker 1: doesn't have any weaknesses. So that was a tough match
Speaker 1: up for Sakari. Who I mean, we saw her win
Speaker 1: the semifinals. She was like crying, she was so happy
Speaker 1: to be in the final. And that's always a bit
Speaker 1: of an indicator for me. I want to see a
Speaker 1: player win a semi final and just go shake hands
Speaker 1: and walk off the court and be like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: big deal, I'm in the final. That means nothing to me.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know how I looked at
Speaker 1: Zverev when he won the semi for the French Open.
Speaker 1: He knew that pressure was on him to win that
Speaker 1: tournament and he did not get excited. Even said it
Speaker 1: in the post match interview. Yeah, this is nothing I
Speaker 1: want to win. I don't want to be in a
Speaker 1: final again. And some players, you see them when they
Speaker 1: win matches in quarters or Semis. You see how excited
Speaker 1: they get, and you can kind of it's a bit
Speaker 1: of an indicator of that they almost think their tournament
Speaker 1: is over. So for Kojikova, you know, it was She's
Speaker 1: won so much, so many big titles. It was no
Speaker 1: big deal for her to be in the final. It
Speaker 1: was Sakari, you could see it was. It meant so
Speaker 1: much to her. But yeah, Rublev winning always great, and
Speaker 1: of course Steph, that was super exciting.
Speaker 4: Anyway, let's take one more quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with a little bit more to finish
Speaker 1: off our point today. Okay, So Caitlin and we've already
Speaker 1: talked about spin winning. Al Karaz looks like, not only
Speaker 1: is he back holding the World Cup, Louis Vauton Purse
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call that thing.
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: It's hard for me to think about anything other than
Speaker 3: his insane amount of hair.
Speaker 4: I was talking about the Louis Vton Purse.
Speaker 3: That now, but I'm picturing him and I'm just thinking
Speaker 3: that he has like he's back to lego hair.
Speaker 2: This kuy grows hair so fast it is just insane.
Speaker 3: Like remember when he buzz cutted his hair before the
Speaker 3: US Open last year, and like his brother did, by
Speaker 3: the third round, he had like a thick, full head
Speaker 3: of hair back already, like I can't get past it.
Speaker 3: So he has a Louisutan ambassadorship. They sponsored the tournament
Speaker 3: at FIFA and they brought out two of their global ambassadors.
Speaker 2: The other one was the Korean model woman who.
Speaker 3: Was in that show Everyone Kills each Other and it's
Speaker 3: this case that is made by the brand, and that
Speaker 3: they had him posing next to. I was more excited
Speaker 3: about Carlos Alcarez losing his mind in the stands because
Speaker 3: the amount of coverage of Carlos Alcarez specifically. My favorite
Speaker 3: one was when one of Spain's goals was wrongfully retracted
Speaker 3: and you see Carlos Aucrez jumping out of his seat
Speaker 3: with excitement and then holding his head in his hands
Speaker 3: with dismay, and I agree with him, by the way,
Speaker 3: that should have been it too. Yeah, Spain should have
Speaker 3: won the game, probably for zero. Like again, despicable, I'm
Speaker 3: saying six refereeing, but somebody put the caption when you
Speaker 3: realize the tie break is ten points instead of seven.
Speaker 3: I'm here for Carlos showing up kind of wherever and whenever.
Speaker 3: I mean he's probably here now, you know, running rampage
Speaker 3: around the city doing god knows what, buying that chains,
Speaker 3: getting his hair dyed, getting another tattoo, who knows, I'm
Speaker 3: here for it.
Speaker 1: That's actually hilarious. Yeah, I mean, he's hair is something
Speaker 1: to behold. I tell you, you know, it would be
Speaker 1: interesting to see if Novak chose to like let his
Speaker 1: hair grow the same, because I'm pretty certain they have
Speaker 1: the same hair, like you know that cheer pet hair
Speaker 1: that just like it's just it's just always there. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are going to have hair for the rest
Speaker 1: of their lives. But yeah, to see the unkept look.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's doing it because he feels
Speaker 1: like I don't know. But the whole point of me
Speaker 1: talking about this is that he's in the United States,
Speaker 1: and word on the street is he is going to
Speaker 1: try and play Cincinnati. If that is the case, If
Speaker 1: I thief, I can't imagine he would have gone back
Speaker 1: to Spain. I would imagine that he would probably center
Speaker 1: himself here on a hard court somewhere somewhere and practice
Speaker 1: before Cincinnati. But it will be a great relief to
Speaker 1: tennis fans around the world to see him back playing
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I have my doubts he's.
Speaker 1: Got a girlfriend too. I mean him and Sinner getting
Speaker 1: photoed and pabbed, papped, papped, I should say not pad whatever.
Speaker 1: People get it, both of them out there in the
Speaker 1: old Mediterranean with the old blondes on a boat.
Speaker 2: I'm mad at it. I mean, shouldn't we all be
Speaker 2: on a boat in the Mediterranean.
Speaker 1: I mean I was in the Mediterranean, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: on a boat. But if anyone wants to take me on.
Speaker 2: A boat, We're open to boats. We're open. My number
Speaker 2: is one to three.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't feel good about Carlos has comeback.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not totally sold on it. I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't have any side information. I just
Speaker 3: I have some lingering intuition that I don't think he's
Speaker 3: actually gonna end up playing it the Os Open. I
Speaker 3: think he's gonna maybe come back for for Asia. I
Speaker 3: don't like what I've seen so far of his practicing.
Speaker 3: I think he's hitting soft, stationary balls, and I think
Speaker 3: the wrist is a really, really deeply fundamentally, you know,
Speaker 3: fragile part of everybody's biology. I know he plays such
Speaker 3: a physical game. I don't I don't see it happening. Ironically,
Speaker 3: I got invited to a documentary screening last week for
Speaker 3: the Novak Djokovic documentary that it's coming out on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3: I snuck out before it screened because I was missing
Speaker 3: there schmoos with people sentence yet no, oh man, I
Speaker 3: had to wake up earlier next day.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's from the people from the Lost Dance,
Speaker 1: so I expected to be pretty decent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's good.
Speaker 3: I mean I planned for really, I just wasn't watching
Speaker 3: it with him in the the you know, in the
Speaker 3: at the front and he had a Q and A afterwards.
Speaker 3: I was going to get home very late. But I
Speaker 3: will watch it. But it was interesting because you know
Speaker 3: whos There was one Martin del Potro, and he was
Speaker 3: sort of shuffling around. He was kind of standing by himself.
Speaker 3: He didn't look like he he kind of looked like
Speaker 3: a man without a country. And I just was so
Speaker 3: sad seeing him because he looked sad and what happened
Speaker 3: to him was so so so tragic, not only the injury,
Speaker 3: but obviously his his terrible, uh financial situation with I
Speaker 3: guess his family members, and it sounded messy and awful,
Speaker 3: but it reminded me like the wrist is a real, real,
Speaker 3: big problem. And so for me, I'm excited Carolos is
Speaker 3: in the stands. I'm excited he's on the boat. I'm
Speaker 3: excited about his hair. But I have some serious reservations
Speaker 3: about whether or not we're going to be seeing him
Speaker 3: striking tennis balls at ATP tour speed on a hardcore
Speaker 3: in a tournament setting anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Well, every now and again I will say not to
Speaker 1: be that person, But every now and again he does
Speaker 1: respond to me on Instagram, and I did when he.
Speaker 2: Was hitting balls.
Speaker 1: I did say it was great to see him back
Speaker 1: hitting balls, and he said, you know, hopefully soon I'll
Speaker 1: be hitting it harder. And that was at the end
Speaker 1: of June, and so you know, one of the things
Speaker 1: that I did write to him was that I did
Speaker 1: have a risk injury for seven months and I said,
Speaker 1: please take your time, because it's not an injury when
Speaker 1: I sort of fuck around with and if it's sore
Speaker 1: in any way, you shouldn't you shouldn't even try and
Speaker 1: play anymore. But I sort of want to air on
Speaker 1: the side of you and be like, maybe he's taking
Speaker 1: his time and it's probably a good idea.
Speaker 4: But if not, I mean, his fitness will be good because.
Speaker 1: You can do anything you want within risk injury to
Speaker 1: a certain degree. You know, he's not going to be
Speaker 1: lifting anything above his head, but certainly his legs will
Speaker 1: be have been worked hard, so physically he should be okay.
Speaker 1: But getting back on the tennis court and hitting tennis
Speaker 1: balls is really the pre predominant thing that he needs
Speaker 1: to do. So we'll see and hopefully that happens. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: it's been a big week, mostly because of this little
Speaker 1: bit of controversy that came out just yesterday with the
Speaker 1: WTA sex testing. We spent a bit of time on that.
Speaker 1: But is there anything else, Caitlin, that you would like
Speaker 1: to talk about? Because it is your birthday, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it is my birthday.
Speaker 3: I've got some beautiful kishpul Austrian tennis in the background,
Speaker 3: which is how I like it. A low stakes first
Speaker 3: round of a clay court tournament and a beautiful setting.
Speaker 3: You can see some Austrian Alps or maybe they're the
Speaker 3: tyrolls there in the background. You know, tennis is amazing
Speaker 3: and it takes us everywhere. So yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited
Speaker 3: about the quotedian stuff. I'm excited about the d and
Speaker 3: d out. I'm excited about all these players that we
Speaker 3: just saw at the end stages of the tournaments. I
Speaker 3: desperately want a healthy Paula Bedosa back. She's so box
Speaker 3: office and such a you know, a reliably interesting player.
Speaker 3: Although I did not love seeing her chuck her racket
Speaker 3: under the stands, And I think again, everybody who does that,
Speaker 3: whether I like them or autumatic, should get an automatic deef.
Speaker 3: It's like the rules are beef and you can't you
Speaker 3: can't selectively apply them even if nobody gets hurt. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like somebody could have gotten brained in the face.
Speaker 3: Just don't throw your racket. Don't create a dangerous situation
Speaker 3: for line judges, umpires, spectators.
Speaker 2: Just cameramen, camera women. Get a hold of yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was absolutely disgrace Yeah, unnecessary, unnecessary if.
Speaker 1: You, you know, as a plier, when you let go
Speaker 1: of a racket out of your hand, whatever happens after
Speaker 1: that is on you, no matter even if it's unlucky
Speaker 1: quote unquote, you know, like, oh, I didn't mean it
Speaker 1: to hit that thing, and then it flicked up and
Speaker 1: went it. You had control of the racket in your
Speaker 1: hand and you let it go. Whatever happens after that
Speaker 1: is on you. And if it goes into the stands,
Speaker 1: you should absolutely be absolutely defaulted immediately, and that is
Speaker 1: the only way to stop. But it's kind of like
Speaker 1: when I watch soccer, Like if you go and watch
Speaker 1: rugby or basketball or anything, if you touch a ref,
Speaker 1: if you mouth to a.
Speaker 4: Ref, you are off. And I don't know how people
Speaker 4: feel about this.
Speaker 1: They can write in and let me know, because I
Speaker 1: know people that follow this know that I am a
Speaker 1: little obsessed with all other sports. But here's my idea
Speaker 1: for men's soccer going for it. I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to say women's soccer because women don't do this because
Speaker 1: the women know that they're going to get shipped for it.
Speaker 1: Because I've spoken to friends of mine who played professional
Speaker 1: soccer and they were like, we would never do that
Speaker 1: because we'd.
Speaker 4: Get so much shipped for it.
Speaker 1: If you go down and you did not get kicked
Speaker 1: or studded or whatever, and you're like or hit in
Speaker 1: the face.
Speaker 4: You know, they carry on like these idiots.
Speaker 1: There's one great Instagram photo of a video of a
Speaker 1: woman who just gave birth to a child, and it's
Speaker 1: like men had to do this. This is what they
Speaker 1: would look like, you know what I mean? Like they
Speaker 1: show these like soccer players rolling around on the ground.
Speaker 1: They haven't even been touched. If you do that and
Speaker 1: you it is caught on var afterwards, five minutes in
Speaker 1: the sinbin, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: It's like ice hockey or rugby.
Speaker 1: You go, you go off, and you sit on the
Speaker 1: sideline and you watch your team have to defend for you.
Speaker 4: Now one man down for five minutes.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: It'll stop men, It'll stop them doing it, I promise you,
Speaker 1: because as soon as they're like, oh that wasn't you
Speaker 1: weren't fouled and you rolled around seventeen times on the
Speaker 1: ground like a chicko roll. I don't know what you
Speaker 1: call them here in the States, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: like ann hazard A guess as to it that might.
Speaker 4: Just look it up.
Speaker 1: Just look up Chico roll in Australia. If you roll
Speaker 1: around like a chicko roll, you're off for five minutes.
Speaker 1: That's my that's my you know, I want to take
Speaker 1: away let's intennas. That's what I want in men's soccer.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do you one better. If you roll
Speaker 3: around on the ground, you should be teased and we'll
Speaker 3: give you something to cry about. Kind of school of
Speaker 3: thought and you can see play or not.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, you spend five minutes off the field and
Speaker 1: you get taste on the.
Speaker 2: Way out, We'll give you something to cry about. That's
Speaker 2: what this is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll give you something to cry about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely despoke. Well all right, well, lovely chat. Thank
Speaker 3: you for the birthday wishes.
Speaker 4: Thanks Caitlin.
Speaker 1: We are in the same city, so maybe I'll have
Speaker 1: to find you for a for a celebratory drink, even
Speaker 1: though I had a couple of yesterday watching Spain beat Argentina.
Speaker 1: All right, well, I'm hamidly kind of pissed because you
Speaker 1: could have I know it's not my birthday, but I
Speaker 1: really wish you'd brought me back a bottle of really
Speaker 1: expensive here but non expensive supposed to.
Speaker 2: Give you a bottle of tequila for my adress? Do
Speaker 2: youmn how many times?
Speaker 3: How many times have I celebrated your birthday through the years?
Speaker 2: I remember we charted a boat. I remember taking going
Speaker 2: out to dinner.
Speaker 1: And okay, hold a second. We didn't charter a boat.
Speaker 1: My friend didre did you just hopped on for a ride.
Speaker 1: I wasn't free, I can tell you that much. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I'm supposed to bring you back a bottle
Speaker 1: of tekuler.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, mate, I'll take you out to dinner
Speaker 1: if you want. All right, I'll call you after this.
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, thanks for hanging in there with us
Speaker 1: this week. And I know we've had a little bit
Speaker 1: of controversy, so I'm expecting a lot of shit coming
Speaker 1: my way on Instagram. Anyway, we're on Twitter, all right.
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 3: May