Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for
Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen
Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Hello,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I am Anius Williams.
Speaker 1: Today we're talking about fatherhood, but not just fatherhood. We're
Speaker 1: talking about fatherhood raising daddy's little girls. More specifically, as
Speaker 1: we would call Gridiron, dad's two girls. Big strong NFL players,
Speaker 1: raising young ladies. And I have the pleasure of introducing
Speaker 1: to my friends and to legends who have been serving
Speaker 1: legends throughout probably the past four or five years, and
Speaker 1: that's Lennard Wheeler and Mike Rutger. So as we get
Speaker 1: into this podcast, the first thing I ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: what's the first thing that got your attention? What you're
Speaker 1: let's go with your first daughter, Mike, I think, um,
Speaker 1: I agree when when you're saying, like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: a guy and playing sports, like you just want this boy.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you have a boy. And
Speaker 1: first it's always like I want I want my kids
Speaker 1: to be healthy, and then I want that boy, you know,
Speaker 1: carrying the name and so forth. In the family, and
Speaker 1: so we didn't find out what we were having. So
Speaker 1: when we go into the to the emergency room and
Speaker 1: we have and our daughter and she comes out first,
Speaker 1: you just excited. So you and your wife decided we
Speaker 1: are not going to find out. No, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: find out. So the whole time, did y'all have any inklings?
Speaker 1: Like I had none? None? You know you have all
Speaker 1: you know, where's your belly at this and that? But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like when when when
Speaker 1: your first kid, there's a lot of emotions going on.
Speaker 1: So when you have your first kid, you know, you
Speaker 1: count your toes, everybody healthy, yes, and then it's just
Speaker 1: like you just look at your your girl like this
Speaker 1: is my girl and um, and in my mind it
Speaker 1: was like this was my girl, it's my boy. It's
Speaker 1: all wrapped in one. And that's the way our relationship
Speaker 1: UM has been, and that's the way it started. It
Speaker 1: was just rough. She's rough, she's tough. UM. When I
Speaker 1: go through the injuries that she's had, and we just
Speaker 1: talked about this a couple of weeks ago. The stitches
Speaker 1: and and the broken arms and all those kind of
Speaker 1: things that that fits her personality, that fits her being
Speaker 1: the first child, she was rough and tough. If she
Speaker 1: could have played football, she would have played football. Um
Speaker 1: built like my mom, built like my grandma. We're we're
Speaker 1: a family of women, and so it was just fitting
Speaker 1: for for us to have, you know, a girl right
Speaker 1: out the back. And literally we've talked about your daughter.
Speaker 1: Can she out run you? Yet she cannot. I told
Speaker 1: her that she'll probably be able to run me when
Speaker 1: I'm around seventies seventy, not even close right now. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, hold on, you didn't ask was
Speaker 1: it close? And it really depends on the distance, because
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna ask you. It depends on
Speaker 1: the distance the four hundred. No, she cannot run. No,
Speaker 1: she would not be even if I had a poor hamstring,
Speaker 1: I would crawl through the finish. Life got you. So
Speaker 1: you still have that, dad, I still have that down
Speaker 1: like this game on, let's go. So your first moment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what your daughter? What being that gridiron dead? What was it?
Speaker 1: That moment? Like probably my first moment when she was
Speaker 1: in the hospital, she took her breath before she came
Speaker 1: out of the womb, and so they had to kind
Speaker 1: of rush her out. So that they can suck it
Speaker 1: out of her nose. So I noticed that that initially
Speaker 1: she was going to be impatient. I mean she was
Speaker 1: ready to do She was ready to come into the
Speaker 1: world before she was ready to come into the world.
Speaker 1: And so when she came into the world and she
Speaker 1: took that first breath, it really she really captured my
Speaker 1: heart right there, because at that time, you don't want
Speaker 1: anything to happen to your kids. And so at that point,
Speaker 1: just the just the compassion and the love that I
Speaker 1: saw in her eyes, I was like, I'm done. That
Speaker 1: was my baby all day. There's a question, did you
Speaker 1: guys cry? I don't think I did. Know. I was
Speaker 1: feeling too much to cry. I was feeling everything. Is
Speaker 1: this the meal answer? Or or am I getting hold on? Now?
Speaker 1: You're asking when you but I okay? Are you saying
Speaker 1: did we cry when we first saw them? When you
Speaker 1: first saw your daughter? No, I didn't cry when I
Speaker 1: first saw But did I have did she have my
Speaker 1: heart string? Would you describe that since there were no
Speaker 1: tears evident? What what does that mean? Your heart strength?
Speaker 1: That there was nothing that I would not do to
Speaker 1: protect her? In my head because I looked at it
Speaker 1: almost as the father looks at me to say, I'm
Speaker 1: responsible for you. And so that sense of belonging to
Speaker 1: this world literally just just catapulted me to a different
Speaker 1: level of responsibility as a man to say I will
Speaker 1: do everything I have to do to make sure that
Speaker 1: you are okay. Wow, Mike, I didn't cry. Um, thinking
Speaker 1: about it, now, I didn't. You didn't, not. I didn't
Speaker 1: because she was upside down and so they had to
Speaker 1: use an instrument to to pull her out. And so
Speaker 1: I remember when she came out, she had, uh, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a suction cup and so she had a
Speaker 1: cone head. And all I can think of was is
Speaker 1: that gonna stay like that? You know? And so that's
Speaker 1: where my mind kind of was at. But then once
Speaker 1: they said absolutely not, it will go down, just because
Speaker 1: of the suction cup that they had to use. Um,
Speaker 1: so I think that initial emotional peace was different than
Speaker 1: than you know, the crying peace other but um, but
Speaker 1: I'm hearing two strong football guys. You were sounding like
Speaker 1: you were in the room. Oh yeah, like all into it.
Speaker 1: Like I was used to be a time where a
Speaker 1: man told me, don't tell me about the paint. You
Speaker 1: just delivered the baby no, no, no, I wanted. I
Speaker 1: wanted to deliver the baby actually, but they wouldn't allow me. No.
Speaker 1: I was in it. I was in it all day
Speaker 1: to win it. I wanted everything to do with it. Now,
Speaker 1: Mike Lenna mentioned one daughter. So I'm asking you, because
Speaker 1: you have a daughters and son. Learning mention his daughter
Speaker 1: got his heart string. You use it on here that
Speaker 1: when a boy is born, right, how would you describe that?
Speaker 1: So between the daughters and your son being lawn again,
Speaker 1: you know, then I was like, okay, um, you know
Speaker 1: we've got one of each, and so my boy, it
Speaker 1: was totally different. Right. So, um, this story behind that
Speaker 1: is we're a young organization with the Carolina Panthers, and
Speaker 1: we have just made the playoffs and we have a
Speaker 1: home playoff game against the Dallas Cowboys, and we knew
Speaker 1: that we would be on the road if we would
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl year, we'd be on the road.
Speaker 1: And so she wasn't due for another two weeks. So
Speaker 1: we had to make a decision to go into the
Speaker 1: hospital to have the child, induce, induce or go and
Speaker 1: and risk me being on the road somewhere. And this
Speaker 1: going on, and you can already imagine the tussles of
Speaker 1: emotions that you have to do there. So we beat
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Maybe six eight hours later, we're in
Speaker 1: the hospital and we induced in and we had our boy.
Speaker 1: So again, the emotions were totally different because you you
Speaker 1: just laid it out on the field less than like,
Speaker 1: you know, twelve hours ago, you know, on TV playing
Speaker 1: the football game, and here you are totally different emotions
Speaker 1: of having your second child and finds out you know,
Speaker 1: it was a boy, and so um, so some two
Speaker 1: different emotions. But then again I was just happy because
Speaker 1: now I had, you know, a girl, and then I
Speaker 1: had a boy and he was a big boy. So
Speaker 1: I always felt like you know, um, you know, we
Speaker 1: were checked the boxes there of having one of each.
Speaker 1: How did you handle the difficulties you mentioned your daughter
Speaker 1: ingesting oxygen immeatly in the wombs right then your daughter
Speaker 1: being flipped? Yeah, how did you handle that? Because we
Speaker 1: try to handle things as athletes, right, how did you
Speaker 1: handle that? There are so many different emotions that goes
Speaker 1: through your mind. Tell us about the no. But seriously though, okay,
Speaker 1: so one of the things I don't know how other
Speaker 1: cultures do, but African American culture, we have a thing
Speaker 1: that where look at the color of the ears that
Speaker 1: will tell you how dr baby is gonna be. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've never heard that I'm gonna I'm gonna check your
Speaker 1: car later, but anyway, so so so we always have
Speaker 1: a thing to say, look at the baby's ears, and
Speaker 1: that will tell you how doc they're gonna be right
Speaker 1: and so so when she was born, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me look at the ears and you're serious. No,
Speaker 1: I am not kidding. So all of these things come
Speaker 1: to your mind because growing up in different cultures you
Speaker 1: learn different different things whatever, those different beliefs, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and so and so when Lindsey took her first breath
Speaker 1: before she came out, it kind of shifted me because
Speaker 1: I had a mindset of things that I wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of check off. So when she took her breath,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, okay, now they have to take
Speaker 1: care of my baby. So they had to get her
Speaker 1: out of there, take her over into another room, you know,
Speaker 1: suction her nose and the whole deal. So it just
Speaker 1: just like Mike said, those emotions continues to just follow
Speaker 1: your baby and you just want them to be okay.
Speaker 1: Being in all of male dominated culture football, right, what's
Speaker 1: been your biggest challenge raising a girl? I'll tell you
Speaker 1: one I realized just recently. My youngest daughter and three girls,
Speaker 1: and we're all at the table for dinner, and so
Speaker 1: we're typically going around the table and everybody say, how
Speaker 1: is their date? What's happening? Or my youngest daughter she
Speaker 1: tells she tells a story, but she wants every detail,
Speaker 1: like and they could take her half an hour. I'm like, sweethearts,
Speaker 1: you got to speed it up, so everybody else, But
Speaker 1: it just like having that patience to know how important
Speaker 1: it is for her to express like the details versus
Speaker 1: like we get out assignments like hey, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: Are are you finding yourself? You patiently listening outside? But
Speaker 1: then we're like, can we get the show in the
Speaker 1: row or something like that. So what was your what's
Speaker 1: been your challenge? I think for me is that she's
Speaker 1: like me, so she thinks like me, she acts like me,
Speaker 1: And it hasn't been uh, it's been up to like
Speaker 1: I would say, in the last probably six months that
Speaker 1: we've kind of found a way to communicate because it's
Speaker 1: almost like I'm communicating with myself, and so whether it's
Speaker 1: the way that we're going to start a conversation or
Speaker 1: how we're going to debate. She knows my techniques and
Speaker 1: I know her techniques, So it's kind of like battling myself.
Speaker 1: So you you like the Will Smith movie, what just
Speaker 1: kind of came out somewhere like that the female side.
Speaker 1: So just in the last day six months, she's a
Speaker 1: senior in high school. Um, she knows where she's going
Speaker 1: to college. So we've done all that. We're kind of
Speaker 1: in that phase of, you know, how do we start
Speaker 1: to communicate as adults, you know, as she works and
Speaker 1: has jobs and stuff like that, and so we found
Speaker 1: a good space to where I need to just be
Speaker 1: able to listen, you know, so many times as a dad,
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to prepare her for this big world,
Speaker 1: and there's things that she's already learned along the way
Speaker 1: that I just need to listen more and not and
Speaker 1: talk less. And I think that's helped our communication because, um,
Speaker 1: I'm not battling myself in the mirror now, I'm listening
Speaker 1: almost to myself and having a conversation with my daughter
Speaker 1: and knowing that she is the one that observes. So
Speaker 1: she she's one that might not talk a lot, but
Speaker 1: she observes, and so she's learning through that. And so
Speaker 1: for me, I needed to realize, like, she's she's good,
Speaker 1: she's ready, and I don't need to talk so much.
Speaker 1: But now it's time to listen and enjoy this this
Speaker 1: time um of of before she gets out of the
Speaker 1: house and starts her own journey. So I would say
Speaker 1: that's been in the last six months of our evolution.
Speaker 1: Has anything happened when Lindsay has surprised you? An example
Speaker 1: what I mean but that my second daughter, who a
Speaker 1: little more antsy, anxious, and I would wonder, man, when
Speaker 1: she starts to drive or something like that. Well, she's
Speaker 1: been one of the best drivers in a family, right,
Speaker 1: so she kind of surprised me how well she drove
Speaker 1: and did she went away to college and how well
Speaker 1: she did away because I was wondering how she would do,
Speaker 1: how she would have adapted. Anything Lindsay has surprised you,
Speaker 1: Maybe she has really surprised me in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways. I started dating my daughter when she was
Speaker 1: two years old. Alright, explain that, well, and there's what
Speaker 1: fun do you want? You will come back to one
Speaker 1: of the one of the reasons I started dating my
Speaker 1: daughter is that. So when Lindsay was born, I said,
Speaker 1: I want to be a better dad that my dad
Speaker 1: was to my sisters. Okay, I grew up with two sisters,
Speaker 1: to biological sisters and a half sister, And I said,
Speaker 1: how do I become a better dad that my dad was?
Speaker 1: Seriously like, that was my focus. I said, I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that she understands that when she looks
Speaker 1: at me, I'm the first man that she dates. I
Speaker 1: am the first man that my daughter days, You're the standard.
Speaker 1: I'm the standard. And so how do I want her
Speaker 1: to continue to evaluate and to assess her relationships moving forward.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to set the pace for that. And
Speaker 1: so I remember I started dating her when she was little,
Speaker 1: and then she started wanting clothes for our days. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to wear this for for my day
Speaker 1: with dad. And so we would go out and we
Speaker 1: would go to our movies and and we would have
Speaker 1: instances where I'll have her head done and then we
Speaker 1: get to the place and she's back there with her
Speaker 1: hair all up in her hand, and I'm like, Lindsey
Speaker 1: what are you doing? We get ready go into the
Speaker 1: restaurant and so, you know, so who set the presidents.
Speaker 1: They just set the stage and her expectations for being
Speaker 1: in relationships to me, and so that was very important.
Speaker 1: I started doing it when she was almost two years old.
Speaker 1: The surprise and he's surprised. You know what the surprise
Speaker 1: was About three months ago she was asked to go
Speaker 1: to Paris to model for social media. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's an influencer on on social media and and how
Speaker 1: many followers she has almost she has almost six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand followers. Yeah, so she has almost six hundred thousand followers.
Speaker 1: She was asked to go to Paris, and she was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. And I'm thinking like, okay, I have
Speaker 1: some secret servicemen that I know. I'm gonna have them
Speaker 1: watch her get off the plane and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to track your phone. And man, she handled it
Speaker 1: like a pro and and I just had to I
Speaker 1: had to sit back and I think, inc it's almost
Speaker 1: like the word says, raised a kid up the way
Speaker 1: they should go. If they go away from there, come back,
Speaker 1: I think, what what we have to do? It like
Speaker 1: Mike is saying, we have to trust what we put
Speaker 1: in we and we have to also trust that the
Speaker 1: father isn't more controlled than we are. Sometimes we think
Speaker 1: we're really in control, and the fathers like, oh no,
Speaker 1: you're not right, and he has them. So that was
Speaker 1: just so she handled it like a pro. That's good.
Speaker 1: Both of you guys have athletes. So, Mike, what trade
Speaker 1: does your daughter have in her athletic lane similar to yours.
Speaker 1: I think it's um wanting to win and in the
Speaker 1: part of being a perfectionist at the craft that we've
Speaker 1: done so UM for a number of years she played
Speaker 1: volleyball UM, and just her the way that she attacked it,
Speaker 1: the way that she would bring other people along with her,
Speaker 1: UM is something that I would see in myself. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we had conversations. I think UM as a father,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we try to UM imprint them with
Speaker 1: us and our DNA. They have our DNA, but like
Speaker 1: our fingerprint on them. And so I I as a father,
Speaker 1: had to learn also that she might do it differently,
Speaker 1: or she might do this differently. And the thing about
Speaker 1: being athletic UM was that she had some of the abilities,
Speaker 1: but there there came a point to where she was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore, right, And she
Speaker 1: had her career path. She knew what she wanted to do,
Speaker 1: she knew what she wanted to to grow up and
Speaker 1: go off to do, and so some of the athletics
Speaker 1: was kind of interferen And so as a father of
Speaker 1: growing up and playing multiple sports, I had to come
Speaker 1: to grips with that that that's okay and and that
Speaker 1: I needed to do that. How did you come to
Speaker 1: grips to it? I think I think it's inside. It
Speaker 1: was like, at the end of the day, she's healthy.
Speaker 1: And if if a kid can tell you what they
Speaker 1: want to do, I think as a parent, that's half
Speaker 1: the battle. So then that allows me to support them
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do, versus trying to force feed them.
Speaker 1: And hey, I was a baseball player. My kid needs
Speaker 1: to go to college and play baseball. Um, it was
Speaker 1: supporting her and what she wanted to do, just like
Speaker 1: I wanted to do what she wanted to do, Just
Speaker 1: like there was somebody out there to supporting me when
Speaker 1: I wanted to play football and invested in me. And
Speaker 1: so that's when the switch turn and said look and
Speaker 1: she knows what she wants to do, she knows where
Speaker 1: she wants to go to school. How can now I
Speaker 1: use my resources to help her in her endeavor and
Speaker 1: not be my endeavor? How did you handled Lindsey heaven
Speaker 1: over six d thousand followers, most famous than you? You
Speaker 1: know what? I actually love it, right? Um? I celebrate
Speaker 1: her as much as I can. Um. You know, I
Speaker 1: am a disciplinarian by nature, but I just I love it.
Speaker 1: I support her and everything that she's ever done. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, just like what Mike
Speaker 1: is saying, we want to make sure and I've met
Speaker 1: your daughters, you know, we want to make sure that
Speaker 1: at the end of the day that they feel supported,
Speaker 1: that they feel heard, and that they feel valued, and
Speaker 1: that they understand their worth. Like we it is our
Speaker 1: job sometimes to make them feel that they have worth
Speaker 1: in this world. And I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we just have to continue to celebrate where
Speaker 1: they are. How did you guys coach your daughters or
Speaker 1: did you coach your daughters? Um? So, just like you, So,
Speaker 1: Lindsey wanted to cheer in the fifth grade, and so
Speaker 1: she said, hey, Dad, I want to go out for
Speaker 1: children out like no, not chilling, but in my hand
Speaker 1: this sound effects did you well you like like that
Speaker 1: inside right? I learned so but but so so so
Speaker 1: she didn't know how to do real cart wheels and nothing.
Speaker 1: So I remember literally we did cart wheels every night.
Speaker 1: We did cart wheels every night. I had her jumping
Speaker 1: off both suit balls to do splits in there. The
Speaker 1: whole thing. I just just like what you said. We
Speaker 1: had to coach our daughters and the same thing went
Speaker 1: all the way through college. Man, all the way through college. Well,
Speaker 1: the oldest one she played volleyball, so the wife did that,
Speaker 1: so there were some coaching techniques there. She played basketball,
Speaker 1: so I you know, coached there. My youngest one, uh
Speaker 1: did cross country and so neither one of us had
Speaker 1: done cross country, so it was new to both of us,
Speaker 1: which was actually good because we couldn't tell her what
Speaker 1: to do, and so she learned on her own in
Speaker 1: a good way with our support. But um, and now
Speaker 1: she jumped in the chair again. Neither one of us
Speaker 1: exposed to that. So this has been new to all
Speaker 1: of us. Were in some new chartered territory because like
Speaker 1: Leonard said, with the cheers, like it could be weight
Speaker 1: all day and they go and right there for like
Speaker 1: a minute thirty seconds. And we're down in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: we just spent the whole weekend for a minute thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: So there's some adjustments going on with us, but again
Speaker 1: she loves it. So we're there in some capacity to
Speaker 1: support her. And there's I have a story, so lindsay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So Lindsey went to Georgia chech to run track when
Speaker 1: I'm trying scholarship the whole thing. Her first track meet
Speaker 1: was at Vanderbilt, and she didn't know I was gonna come.
Speaker 1: So I surprised her and drove the Vanderbilt from Charlotte.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting. So I'm sitting in the stands and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at her, and she caused my phone. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is she doing? She caused my phone. She's over
Speaker 1: in the corner. She goes, hey, Dad, Now she has
Speaker 1: no idea. I'm looking at that. You're there, right, What
Speaker 1: should I do to warm up? Now? I've been training
Speaker 1: her my whole life. She already has been training with
Speaker 1: the coaches, but she trusting my training initially, and I said, hey, baby,
Speaker 1: you have to trust your coaching. I didn't tell I
Speaker 1: told you have to trust your coaching, And I said,
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean the stands looking at you
Speaker 1: in the corner. And she started laughing, and so I
Speaker 1: had to release her. I had to release her from
Speaker 1: me at that moment where you have to trust your coaching,
Speaker 1: like they know what you're doing. Final question for legends
Speaker 1: that don't have girls, what did What do you wish
Speaker 1: they could experience? Letter understanding the importance of the emotional
Speaker 1: awareness that needs to exist with happening a daughter. The
Speaker 1: emotional emotional awareness, the emotional engagement exactly of what he
Speaker 1: needs as far as emotionally to be an active listener,
Speaker 1: an emotional engager to where he is. Uh. He's engaging
Speaker 1: with a certain level of sensitivity uh and empathy, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think it it takes him back to his
Speaker 1: mom and it allows her to be able to see
Speaker 1: something totally different than him as a man. But you might,
Speaker 1: I agree with Leonard said, with the with the empathy
Speaker 1: and the emotion part, because with my first girl, it
Speaker 1: was a mindset if we never have another child. Um,
Speaker 1: she was my girl, she was my boy, she was
Speaker 1: she was all that wrapped up in one and I
Speaker 1: think looking back, that's kind of how I treated her,
Speaker 1: was like my boy, and that might be why she's
Speaker 1: kind of like me. And so with my third girl,
Speaker 1: I mean with with my youngest girl, UM, that relationship
Speaker 1: is different and that emotional piece, like Leonard was talking
Speaker 1: about from me being a male being able to tap
Speaker 1: into that and having to switch gears and to understand that, Um,
Speaker 1: it isn't one size fits all. So when I grew up,
Speaker 1: there was three boys in the house and a younger sister,
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a lot of interaction with my sister,
Speaker 1: you know, So I didn't get a lot of that
Speaker 1: emotional side of me that the girls have pulled out
Speaker 1: of me as as a father. UM that I think
Speaker 1: that has made me a better person, um overall overall,
Speaker 1: and when I'm in the workplace, when I'm interacting, um
Speaker 1: with with females and and UM, that's helped me out personally.
Speaker 1: I know that that last question. But something came to
Speaker 1: my mind when or if your daughter ever tuned you
Speaker 1: out when I get that moment like whatever that letter, UM,
Speaker 1: when when I'm talking too much and I'm not listening,
Speaker 1: are you aware that she's yes, yes out? You can
Speaker 1: you can tell like if like if if there's a
Speaker 1: little extended time and not returning text messages and like
Speaker 1: return my text message, what's wrong with you? I will
Speaker 1: stop paying for stuff right now. So you have to
Speaker 1: throw out a little threast. But but probably when when
Speaker 1: I'm not listening and I and I really just she
Speaker 1: just needs my presence. Sometimes all they need is your presence,
Speaker 1: not your words. They don't need your words. It's been great.
Speaker 1: Man who does legends were talking about our girls, our
Speaker 1: girls girls. That doesn't get any bee doesn't get better.
Speaker 1: Thank you Leonard, Thank you Mike. That's been amazing. Thanks
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