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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What happened to Amber? Why

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Speaker 1: do we still not have answers in the case of

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Speaker 1: a young woman brutally murdered? It seems to me the

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Speaker 1: answer is right under the noses of authorities. But why

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Speaker 1: no arrest? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and serious

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Speaker 1: xem one eleven. First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Around one on Sunday, her aunt, Wanda Spradland got a

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Speaker 2: call that would change her life.

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Speaker 3: Were out walking the flea market and her aunt other

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Speaker 3: aunt college and we enough we've seen her herd from her.

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Speaker 2: And we had Amber, who worked at the popular brick

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Speaker 4: Early in life, Amber Spradlin sperienced trauma and heartbreak, but

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Speaker 4: she endured. She was just three years old when her

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Speaker 4: She was raised by her grandparents and as they got older,

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Speaker 4: she in turn put her own life on hold to

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Speaker 4: to grow. She moved into her own place for the

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Speaker 4: the Brick House Restaurant. Amber Spradlin looked forward to every

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Speaker 1: But that life of adventure she was finally getting to

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Speaker 1: live after her family raised her her grandparents after her

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Speaker 1: mom was killed. As they became elderly, she decided to

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Speaker 1: take care of them when they passed. She finally started

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Speaker 1: living the life she had dreamed of. She wanted to travel,

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Speaker 1: she wanted adventure, the same things that so many of

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Speaker 1: us want, but that was not to be. Joining me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now to Jeff Vanderbeck, VP, publisher of Appalachian Newspapers, Inc.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. You can find Jeff at

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Speaker 1: Floyd County Chronicle dot com. Jeff, tell me about this

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Speaker 1: young woman, Amber Spradling. Seems like she had devoted so

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Speaker 5: What we know of Amber at this point is that,

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Speaker 5: you know, she is a typical Eastern Kentuckian who is

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Speaker 1: Well was she doing at Brickhouse Restaurant? What was her

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Speaker 5: To my knowledge, I believe she was a hostess at

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Speaker 5: It's been a staple of the community for a long time.

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Speaker 5: And I believe that it was just changed ownership several

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Speaker 5: years back to the current owner. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 5: how long Amber worked there, but you go in there

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Speaker 5: and she has a smiling face and she would, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us. Renowned psychoanalysts joining us

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Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. Have you ever gone to

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Speaker 1: a restaurant and the hostess or the person in charge,

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Speaker 1: let's just say, was so rude you never went back,

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Speaker 6: And I will say I've also had the opposite where

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Speaker 6: the case of Amber, it's that person who you know

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Speaker 6: We missed you Friday night, we missed you Saturday. They

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Speaker 1: And by all accounts, everybody loved this girl. Amber sprallin big,

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Speaker 1: She's no longer taking care of her grandparents they've passed away.

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Speaker 1: She feels she's done her duty, and she gets this

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Speaker 1: joining me, pathologist, medical examiner and important former detective. Doctor Dupree,

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Speaker 1: when you are a young woman and you are a

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Speaker 1: hostess at a very popular restaurant, you come in contact

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Speaker 6: Absolutely see and you know, we oftentimes find that the

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Speaker 1: You've got a young girl who finally goes out on

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Speaker 1: People she knows, people she doesn't know. All day, all night,

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Speaker 1: We're trying to learn all we can about this missing woman,

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Speaker 1: Amber Spradling. But what happened the night she seemingly goes missing?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends a crime online.

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Speaker 4: Saturday night, Amber Spradlin finishes her shift at the Brick

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Speaker 4: Roy Kid, and doctor Mike McKinnie. Doctor mckennie is a

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Speaker 1: with us. Would you say that Amber had been sheltered?

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Speaker 1: Did she lead a sheltered life. Had she dated a

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Speaker 6: She led a very sheltered life and I only know

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Speaker 1: Why was she bullied? Debbie?

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Speaker 6: She had some emotional issues as far as some depression

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Speaker 1: Did people bully her because she's chubby?

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Dr Rathany, that

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Speaker 1: starts my heart so much to thank this this girl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've looked at her picture. She looks so

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Speaker 1: This is Amber's cousin talking about how the grandparents. I mean,

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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance, Dr Bethy. She's so naive. And

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Speaker 1: we had two boyfriends. Let me guess Debbie Hall was one,

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Speaker 6: Shortly after high school, yes, whenever, She's just she'd gone

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Speaker 6: can they? And trauma. I like the fact that our

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Speaker 6: behavioral expert brought up trauma in the arc that that

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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, I've got to tell you what happened, Okay,

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Speaker 1: tell me, Okay. So the children graduated from their elementary

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Speaker 1: him up, I started looking around Bethany, and sure enough

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Speaker 1: In fact, this is one of the few things she's

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Speaker 6: Yancy, the important role you played with Lucy that when

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Speaker 6: Well because you were involved in the nuances of what

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Speaker 9: In the early morning hours of Sunday, June eighteenth, Spradlin

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Speaker 9: At some point they tell us something terrible happened.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know what in.

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Speaker 3: The world would have gone so wrong to result in

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Speaker 6: But there was a nine to one one call and

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Speaker 1: A nine to one one call. Why what happened? Take

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Speaker 2: Sunday night, Kentucky State Police told them her body had

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Speaker 6: I just don't know what in the world would have

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Speaker 10: The community has been calling the county's nine to one

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Speaker 1: Forgotten, gone, but not forgotten. No cover up. I hear

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Speaker 5: Well, we can't get copies of the nine one one obviously,

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Speaker 5: We don't know who made that call, and we don't

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Speaker 1: Time for our delay, Guys, you're hearing Jeff Vanderbeck joining

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Speaker 1: Do I hear you jumping in? Jeff? Go ahead, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Let me clarify that there was a call made in

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Speaker 1: That clarified a lah Jeff Vanderbeck, there was a nine

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Speaker 5: It was the same call during the same day. Now,

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Speaker 5: copies of a nine one one call made by Amber

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Speaker 5: we do know that there was a call made by somebody.

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Speaker 5: We're trying to ascertain if that was from doctor mckinniey's

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Speaker 1: So, guys, you're hearing Jeff Vanderbeck from Applation newspapers. So

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Speaker 1: you know what, never mind, everything's fine. Four hours pass

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Speaker 11: KSP investigators say they were called to a home in

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Speaker 11: their initial investigation thirty nine year old Amber Spradlin of

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Speaker 11: Prestonsburg had suffered life threatening injuries. KSP says she was

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Speaker 11: Investigators do suspect foul play in this case. There's no

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Speaker 2: Amber Spadland's loved ones were emotional as they gave details

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Speaker 3: She was stabbed at least eleven times in her head,

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Speaker 2: But that's not all they shared Thursday afternoon during a

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Speaker 1: Eleven stab wounds in the head, the neck, and the throat.

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Speaker 1: This young woman murdered. One nine one one call was

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Speaker 1: This is Amber's cousin. Tell me one thing, Debbie in

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Speaker 6: Doctor Michael McKinney, the dentist here in Pressburg, and he's

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Speaker 1: What about it? Doctor Michelle Dupree joining us. Renowned forensic pathologists,

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Speaker 1: Dmichelle dupremd dot com. Eleven stab wounds to the neck,

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Speaker 6: Nancy, this was rage. I mean again, this is something personal.

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Speaker 6: We often find that, especially sharp force injuries are personal.

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Speaker 6: You have to be up close, I mean touching that person.

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Speaker 6: You know. Again, it's not like firing a gun from

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Speaker 1: Stab wounds to the face. Dr Bethony Marshall, that's got

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Speaker 1: to mean something. I mean, I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You're the strength but stabs to the face.

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, I mean to pegback on what doctor Michelle

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Speaker 6: What transpired she was with that group, What were they

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Speaker 6: You know, something happened in that milieu that ended up

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too, Mark Wolander joining us. This

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Speaker 1: we know them right now, and nearly not every but

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Speaker 1: nearly every bit of research I found on Amber's murder,

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Speaker 8: That's correct. The State Police didn't put out any of

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Speaker 1: Let me understand something, how do you know someone else

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Speaker 1: Debbie Hall, the cousin of Amber Spratland, do you know

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Speaker 1: where on his body Roy Kid was cut?

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Speaker 7: I do not.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious was it on his hand, which would

436
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Speaker 1: be very interesting. He has not been named a person

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Speaker 1: of interest or a defendant suspect in this case. I

438
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Speaker 1: have seen many, many times when there is a multiple

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Speaker 1: stabbing murder victim that the purp has a cut on

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Speaker 1: their hand where their hand goes down the knife in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the stab. Speaking of DNA the crime scene,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at wh ASNWWK.

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Speaker 10: Kentucky State Police is working the case, but staying tight lipped.

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Speaker 10: The family's attorney believes they have their suspect, but because

445
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Speaker 10: the crime scene was so gruesome, DNA evidence has been

446
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Speaker 10: difficult to separate.

447
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Speaker 1: In the lab.

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Speaker 8: There was blood everywhere, and there was blood that was

449
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Speaker 8: mixed with other blood and other DNA family safe.

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Speaker 1: They don't know why anyone would want to hurt her.

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Speaker 2: Amber Spradland, known for her generous heart, is now being

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Speaker 2: mourned by those who loved her so much.

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Speaker 1: I'm davis cited because she was a wonderful person, a

454
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Speaker 1: lover and I really really is.

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Speaker 2: Their troopers haven't said who the home belonged to, and

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Speaker 2: with so many questions unanswered right now, her family says

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Speaker 2: there's one thing they're certain of.

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Speaker 6: If there is FI apply, I hope who waver it

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Speaker 6: is brought to justice because she did.

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Speaker 1: Not deserve this. I'm not quite sure where why they're

461
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Speaker 1: not saying what The family is telling us that Amber

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Speaker 1: was found stabbed eleven times at the home of a

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Speaker 1: prominent dentist in the early early morning hours. Doctor Michael

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Speaker 1: McIntire is that his name, Debbie.

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Speaker 6: Hall McKinnie, Michael McKinney.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Michael McKinney, a dentist. But I do

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Speaker 1: know this, I know the lawyer, veterans trial lawyer on

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Speaker 1: my ad might Mark Wilanders says the family is waiting

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Speaker 1: patiently for answers. I'm not so sure that I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. Take a listen to our friends at wsa

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Speaker 1: Z three.

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Speaker 12: First and I loved ones of a woman found dead

473
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Speaker 12: and Floyd County on Sunday are just praying for justice

474
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Speaker 12: at this point. Kentucky State Police say Amber Spradlin was

475
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Speaker 12: found dead on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Foul play is suspected.

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Speaker 12: Investigators have not shared many details about the case or

478
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Speaker 12: said whether they have any suspects or suspect in mind officially.

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Speaker 12: New Channel three's Andrew Colgrove spoke with relatives of the victim,

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Speaker 12: determined to keep a light on the case until a

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Speaker 12: killer is behind bars.

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Speaker 1: Once her body is buried, this other stuff is not

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Speaker 1: buried and more.

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Speaker 13: Family of Amber Spradlin grieving and furious she was.

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Speaker 1: Just getting started with her life.

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Speaker 13: The thirty nine year old's uncle and aunt knew something

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Speaker 13: was wrong on Sunday when they were unable to reach her.

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Speaker 1: I was driving be before. We're trying to look for

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Speaker 1: a car.

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Speaker 4: Their worst fear realized.

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Speaker 1: It was like dashing the bucket of cold water over me.

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Speaker 1: It fell. I instantly went into a nightmare.

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Speaker 13: Kentucky State Police say Amber was found dead at a

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Speaker 13: home along Arkansas Creek in the town of Martin, and

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Speaker 13: investigator suspects foul play.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, let me understand something, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Vanderbeek joining US publisher Appalachian Newspapers. How far away is

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Speaker 1: the dentist Michael McKinney's home from the brick House restaurant

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Speaker 1: where Amber worked as a hostess.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure the exact mileage, but you know, Martin

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Speaker 5: of Kentucky, which is where I believe he lives, the

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Speaker 5: city of Martin, and a downtown restaurant there are probably

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Speaker 5: ten fifteen minutes away from each other. So it's not

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Speaker 5: a very far thing. And as far as you know,

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Speaker 5: the comment you made before about you know KSP, you know,

506
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Speaker 5: not releasing stuff.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a high.

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Speaker 5: Profile case in eastern Kentucky, and you know there's got

509
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Speaker 5: to be due process, and I'm sure the like Wolanders

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Speaker 5: said before, you know, I'm sure all the t'ser crossed

511
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Speaker 5: and the eyes are dotted before anything happens, and that's

512
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Speaker 5: why everybody's being tight lipped as far as what happens.

513
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Speaker 5: And the bottom line is that we and what nobody

514
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Speaker 5: is mentioning is that there is a killer on the

515
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Speaker 5: loose in Prestonsburg right now in Floyd County, Kentucky. There

516
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Speaker 5: is a killer on the loose or killers on the loose.

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Speaker 5: We have not solved that problem and that needs to

518
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Speaker 5: be addressed immediately because we need to make sure that

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Speaker 5: our communities are safe, because that's what that's what's being

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Speaker 5: overlooked at this time. In addition, and regardless of this

521
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 5: whole thing, you know, yes, the nine one one call

522
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Speaker 5: was a or the nine one one situation needs to

523
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Speaker 5: be addressed. But the bottom line is that there's still

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Speaker 5: a killer loose in our community and somebody needs to

525
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Speaker 5: do something about it.

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Speaker 1: And you know what to Robin Drake, joining US behavior

527
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Speaker 1: expert former FBI and the Counterintelligence Behavior Analysis Program, there

528
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Speaker 1: is something very unique and man I say, very twisted

529
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Speaker 1: about not only a killer, but a killer that uses

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Speaker 1: a knife as a weapon. It's a lot different scenarios

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Speaker 1: a whole other can of worms. And let's just say

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Speaker 1: a snipe or the shootes is the victim at a distance,

533
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Speaker 1: very little contact, and not only murdered by knife, but

534
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Speaker 1: eleven stab wounds to this girl's face, neck and head.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, like I said earlier, it's highly personal, it's highly violent,

536
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Speaker 14: a lot of energy behind it. And the other thing

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Speaker 14: that's been striking me here too is so they call

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Speaker 14: nine one one and no one shows up. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 14: anyone bring her to the hospital in a car? I mean,

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Speaker 14: you have people on seeing supposedly at least someone was

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Speaker 14: that called nine to one one. When they didn't show up,

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Speaker 14: why not put her in a car and move, Go,

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Speaker 14: do something, take action. That's what's really surprising, one of

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Speaker 14: the many surprising things in this entire situation. And as

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Speaker 14: her cousin was saying earlier, too, live in a life

546
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Speaker 14: in isolation where you're taking care of your wonderful grandparents

547
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Speaker 14: that have raised you. She lacked a lot of social

548
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Speaker 14: reps too, so she might not have been able to

549
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Speaker 14: really keew in on unsafe situations from individuals, and that

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Speaker 14: she's surrounded by possibly.

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Speaker 1: You know what, that's a really good point. She had

552
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Speaker 1: led this very You know, this woman Amber is only

553
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Speaker 1: four to eleven, she is very diminutive. She's been socially

554
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Speaker 1: awkward to her whole life. She was bullied in school,

555
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: went from one school to the next, socially awkward. And

556
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Speaker 1: how excited do you believe she was to get invited

557
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Speaker 1: out after work by a prominent dentist who owned the

558
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Speaker 1: brickhouse restaurant where she worked and coworkers. How fun would

559
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Speaker 1: that be? And just imagine this is late at night,

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Speaker 1: after the restaurant closes, they go out and somehow she

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Speaker 1: ends up dead with eleven stab wounds. Now I agree,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, any of you on the panel.

563
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted and investigated thousands of cases. I understand holding

564
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Speaker 1: things close to the vest It's not to somehow impewe

565
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Speaker 1: the integrity of the investigation. But to not even release

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Speaker 1: the location of the crime, that's very unusual in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more. This is Shane McAllister, whas.

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Speaker 10: According to state beliefs, the thirty nine year old was

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Speaker 10: found dead in a home on Arkansas Creek earlier this month.

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Speaker 10: That's about four and a half hours from the in

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Speaker 10: Floyd County Kentucky. Kentucky State Police troopers confirmed she had

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Speaker 10: life threatening injuries and they do suspect foul play, meaning

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Speaker 10: they're working it as a homicide investigation. Well, today the

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Speaker 10: victims family is asking for support as they go on

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Speaker 10: ten days without an arrest in the case and without

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Speaker 10: answers as to why it took so long for the

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Speaker 10: nine one one call to be heard.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious too, we keep focusing, as Jeff Vanderbick

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Speaker 1: pointed out about the whole nine one one system being

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Speaker 1: screwed up. I'm also questioning why wasn't she taken to

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Speaker 1: the hospital, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: If I might this is Jeff Anderbick, if I might

583
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Speaker 5: say something that were the assumption is that the initial

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Speaker 5: nine one one call was made and said, hey, there's

585
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Speaker 5: a there's somebody hurt here. We don't know that for

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Speaker 5: a fact. We don't know anything about it because the

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Speaker 5: nine one one call was not released, So we don't

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Speaker 5: know what that nine one one call was all about.

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Speaker 5: We don't know if it was because somebody was injured.

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Speaker 5: We don't know if it was because Amber was in danger.

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Speaker 5: We don't know anything about that nine one one call

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Speaker 5: because the tape was not released. So if the nine

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Speaker 5: one one call came in, the initial nine one one

594
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Speaker 5: call came in, it was completely nothing regarding Amber, then

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Speaker 5: the whole point of this whole thing is a moot point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff Vanderbank, really you really think that there

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Speaker 1: were two life threatening situations in one night, in the

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Speaker 1: space of four hours at one residence.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, based upon the brutality of the act,

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Speaker 5: of the alleged act, and based upon what we know

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Speaker 5: so far, people were not thinking in their right mind.

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Speaker 5: And I'm there's a lot of information that I'm being told.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying somebody was on drugs?

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything to that response.

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Speaker 1: Regards and frankly, Jeff Vanderbeck, I don't care if people

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Speaker 1: were not thinking in their right mind because if it

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Speaker 1: is drugs of isbooze? Voluntary use of drugs? Are alcohol?

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Speaker 1: Are not a defense? If it's panicking, Jeff Vanderbick, don't care.

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Speaker 1: People always panic when somebody's been stabbed eleven times in

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Speaker 1: the vase. I guess, so, I guess they were out

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Speaker 1: of their mind. But that does not change that a

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Speaker 1: killer is walking free. And in that vein, Jeff, I

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Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Michelle dupree. Can you tell

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Speaker 1: by the temperature of the body, the degree of rigor

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Speaker 1: or liver or mortis, and the coagulation of blood on

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Speaker 1: and around the body how long the victim has been dead.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious how long this beautiful girl, Amber Scradlin

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Speaker 1: lay there dead before anybody went yeah, you know what,

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Speaker 1: let's do call nine to one one.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, of course you can get an estimate, but

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Speaker 6: it's always an estimate, you know, it's not like on

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Speaker 6: TV they died at nine thirty seven. So yeah, she

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Speaker 6: can get an estimate within a few hours. I'm not

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Speaker 6: sure how much help that would be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, am I helping a lot? And then there are

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Speaker 1: extrends met ways to other than the condition of the

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Speaker 1: body to determine the time of the death, Like did

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Speaker 1: ambersend a text? Did Amber make a phone call? Did

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Speaker 1: Amber post something? Is there anything? Can we see movement

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Speaker 1: on her phone, whether it was her using the phone

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Speaker 1: or not. Can we see movement around the home. A

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Speaker 1: lot of extrinsic evidence can indicate the time of death,

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Speaker 1: and as you say, not specifically, but close to the

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Speaker 1: time of death, guys, take a listen now to our

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Speaker 1: cut twelve flee Kenny.

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Speaker 2: Fiscal Court documents say in December twenty twenty two, the

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Speaker 2: decision to move the call center from the Kentucky State

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Speaker 2: Police Post to the city of Prestonsburg was because of

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Speaker 2: an increase in service.

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Speaker 6: Piece.

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Speaker 2: Now they've launched a petition to move the call center

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Speaker 2: back to the Kentucky State Police Post. A family heartbroken,

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Speaker 2: wanting answers and changes, but willing to be patient until

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Speaker 2: investigators have all the pieces to this puzzle.

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Speaker 1: WI Hall. Let me understand. So, at first is believed

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Speaker 1: that the call went to one nine one one center

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Speaker 1: and they didn't respond. Then four hours later there is

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Speaker 1: a response. But now I'm learning after that first nine

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Speaker 1: on one call there was an immediate follow up saying yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what, never mind, don't come. So does that

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Speaker 1: really have anything to do with the changing of the

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Speaker 1: nine one one call center.

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Speaker 7: I I'm not sure. I do know that in the

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Speaker 7: past the KSP has handled the none one one calls,

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Speaker 7: and I do not know of any problems like this

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Speaker 7: that have come about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about it, Martin, Wellander, Well, Nancy, let's get

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Speaker 1: back to the first call.

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Speaker 8: About five o'clock in the morning. We believe that that

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Speaker 8: was one call and that two people got out of

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Speaker 8: the phone at least what we're hearing, and the first

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Speaker 8: person said, we have a fight going on out here.

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Speaker 8: That's what I've learned from comments made by Mayor Les Stapleton.

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Speaker 8: And then somebody else picked up the phone and said, no,

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Speaker 8: everything's under control. You don't need to send anybody out.

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Speaker 8: And so, you know, the question is is did they

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Speaker 8: even follow the protocol that they put together when they

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Speaker 8: entered into this agreement. The agreement said that if you

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Speaker 8: have calls out in the county, the dispatch was responsible

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Speaker 8: for their contacting the Kentucky State Police or the Floyd

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Speaker 8: County Sheriff's Department to send them out to see what

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Speaker 8: was going on at these types of calls. So nobody

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Speaker 8: came at five o'clock in the morning. And then the

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Speaker 8: question is is who all was responsible for killing Amber?

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Speaker 8: From what I understand from what I've been told, there

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Speaker 8: were no defensive wounds on her arms, and so the

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Speaker 8: question that I have did somebody hold her down? Where

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Speaker 8: there are two people involved in the murder? And then

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Speaker 8: the real question that nobody's really addressed is what happened

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Speaker 8: between five o'clock and ten o'clock when they came out.

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Speaker 8: Did the people at the house, doctor McKinney, his son,

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Speaker 8: Mike Roy Kidd, and anybody else was there. Did they

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Speaker 8: spend those four hours trying to clean up the crime scene?

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Speaker 8: And that's important. So, yes, the nine to one one

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Speaker 8: center being moved to the city of Prestonsburg. When the

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Speaker 8: Kentucky State Police had twelve troopers assigned to cover nine

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Speaker 8: one one calls in Floyd County, they're no longer assigned

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Speaker 8: to Floyd County because of what Mayor Les Stapleton and

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Speaker 8: the Judge Executive Robbie Williams has done in this case,

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Speaker 8: and all that we hear from them twenty five days

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Speaker 8: later is instead of trying to address this issue, the

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Speaker 8: only thing that they've done up till now is Robbie Williams,

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Speaker 8: the county judge executive, he held a special meeting to

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Speaker 8: get approval to hire a big law firm in Lexington, Kentucky,

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Speaker 8: to fight any civil suit that may come down the road.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're worried about a civil suit when the killer

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Speaker 1: has not been apprehended. Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: To your understanding, mort Rolllander, how many people were in

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Speaker 1: the quote prominent dentist home the night of the murder?

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Speaker 8: As far as we know right now, there were at

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Speaker 8: least five people in the house. I know the names

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Speaker 8: of three of them. I don't know the names of

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Speaker 8: the other two, but there may have been others there.

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Speaker 8: Since we've had the press conference, we continue to get

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Speaker 8: emails and text messages from people in the community that

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Speaker 8: have been sending us information that we have been then

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Speaker 8: passing on to the state police. But at least three

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Speaker 8: that we know of, because we know that doctor McKinney

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Speaker 8: was there, and we know that his son MK was there,

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Speaker 8: and we also know that Roy Kid was there, and

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Speaker 8: we know that from information that's been passed on through sources.

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Speaker 1: As of right now, no person of interest, no suspect,

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Speaker 1: no defendant. And my question is, nearly one month later,

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Speaker 1: why the.

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Speaker 8: Bigger question is is who cleaned up the crime scene?

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Speaker 8: Who else was involved? Amber The murder was so violent

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Speaker 8: that somebody had to be holding her down. And Debbie,

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Speaker 8: you're here, and I don't want to make this difficult

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Speaker 8: on you, but from what you described, her head must

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Speaker 8: have moved back and forth, back and forth when the

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Speaker 8: knife wounds were being pressed into her, and the wound

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Speaker 8: that we think wi I'm going to stop me if

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Speaker 8: you don't want to hear this. But the wound that

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Speaker 8: we think was the was the death wound, was the

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Speaker 8: knife wound from the front of her throat that severed

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Speaker 8: her spine. And so the other wounds were still still happening,

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Speaker 8: and then one of the wounds they broke off. The

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Speaker 8: they broke off the knife in her temple. So I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's pretty bad, it's pretty vicious.

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Speaker 14: So again, five people in a house, why didn't someone

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Speaker 14: do something?

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Speaker 8: That's the question, and that's what I think they're waiting

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Speaker 8: for the for the DNA. There was DNA that or

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Speaker 8: there was blood that went through the hallway upstairs, and

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Speaker 8: there was a bag of bloody costs that we think

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Speaker 8: was from blood from Roy Kidd.

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Speaker 1: No person of interest, no suspect, no defendant. If you

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Speaker 1: have information on who murdered this young woman, Amber Spradlin,

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Speaker 1: let your voice be heard. Tip line six zero six

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Speaker 1: nine four nine twenty twenty. Repeat six zero six nine

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Speaker 1: four nine twenty twenty. Her family is waiting for justice. Goodbye, friend,