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Speaker 1: Holocaust humor. It's one more thing. I'm one more thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty uncomfortable where this might be going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah me too, And I know where it's going. Uh,

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Speaker 4: this is oh should I this almost gives it away.

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Speaker 4: This is a really good companion piece with something we

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Speaker 4: did on the radio show today, Slash Podcast. But I

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Speaker 4: can't say what I realized. I would give it away.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to go through this.

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Speaker 1: And there's a plot twist this is I'm quoting. Who

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Speaker 1: is this?

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Speaker 4: I like to give credit Susie Weiss, who writes for

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Speaker 4: a handful of people, including.

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Speaker 1: The Free Press. She says, it's my duty.

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Speaker 4: To report that there's a new musical called Slam Frank,

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Speaker 4: a satirical Hamilton style show that imagines Ann Frank of

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Speaker 4: the Diary of Anne Frank Fame. Okay, everybody you familiar

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Speaker 4: the diary Vent Frank, teenage girl hiding with her family

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Speaker 4: from the Nazis in Amsterdam in the attic of a home. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And and they were ratted out, discovered and all died.

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Speaker 1: I think the whole family died.

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Speaker 4: Maybe one person survived, but and Frank, who was was

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Speaker 4: killed by the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 4: So there's a new musical Jewish yes exactly, Yes, Twitter

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Speaker 4: influencers who I won't get into a fight with anyway. Uh,

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Speaker 4: there's a new musical called Slam Frank, a satirical Hamilton

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Speaker 4: style show that imagines Anne Frank as LATINIX, her story transformed,

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Speaker 4: translated and transgendered into something new in it, Frank and

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Speaker 4: her family and the von Dans, the other family the

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Speaker 4: Franks hid in the.

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Speaker 1: Att with during the Holocaust.

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Speaker 4: Quote combat stigma, like their dodging bombs and practice self

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Speaker 4: care to repair from these air raids. Those are quotes

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Speaker 4: from the musical. When they're not singing about how there's

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Speaker 4: more than one way to be an ally, the characters

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Speaker 4: are coming out Peter van Dana's non binary otto, Frank

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Speaker 4: is gay and neurodivergent, and Ann herself is pan sexual

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Speaker 4: and talking about white male privilege.

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Speaker 1: I give I quit. I seriously quit. I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like that as an attitude just in general.

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Speaker 1: I quit.

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Speaker 4: You can't force me to listen to this, all right,

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Speaker 4: there's one more bit build as an intersectional, multi ethnic,

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Speaker 4: gender queer, decolonized, empowering Afro Latin hip hop musical, Slam

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Speaker 4: Frank is meant to explore the idiocies of the woke movement,

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Speaker 4: which is a rare thing to see on stage now,

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Speaker 4: By the way, Susie says, it's wild at point, it's

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Speaker 4: genuinely daring and fun and funny, but it doesn't really work.

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Speaker 4: It's just too awful.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the Well, it's different than

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Speaker 2: the Producers. The Producers was meant to fail for monetary reasons.

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Speaker 1: But so this reminds me of Katie. Just hang on

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Speaker 1: a second.

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Speaker 4: But Jack brought us this idiotic piece in the Atlantic

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Speaker 4: about how the movie Jaws fifty years later was actually

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Speaker 4: a daring exploration of class division and income, income inequality

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Speaker 4: and shit like that and scary Sharko was going to

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Speaker 4: bite your legs off, right, And Noah Rothman of the

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Speaker 4: National Review wrote a hilarious parody of that.

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Speaker 2: But yes, Michael, I was just remembering that I saw

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Speaker 2: Jaws as my dad, he said, as we were watching

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Speaker 2: in the theater, talking about income and quality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he caught it. Yeah, memory, I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: And the key to it was that the Noah Rothman

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Speaker 4: parody of the Atlantic piece was indistinguishable from the Atlantic piece.

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Speaker 1: Sure, these people are so absurd, Katie, Oh this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm I just went to the website for this slam

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Speaker 3: Frank and the poster for the play. Yeah, clearly Ai

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Speaker 3: because for some reason AI doesn't have the hands right yet.

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Speaker 1: But it is.

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Speaker 3: And Frank, she's got the star of David patch like

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Speaker 3: they made the Jews wear during the Holocaust. And she's

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Speaker 3: got headphones on standing at a DJ booth DJing.

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Speaker 1: Oh lord, oh lord.

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Speaker 4: So again this is it's barely exaggerated enough, right to know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was probably when I started giggling reading

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Speaker 4: it that some some of you good folks started to

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Speaker 4: suspect that something was up here, because you couldn't tell

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Speaker 4: until I got almost to the end.

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Speaker 2: No, it could have gone either way.

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Speaker 1: Could could have been mocking, it could have been real.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell.

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Speaker 4: So here's here's how the idea for the show began.

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Speaker 4: The guy who wrote it and what is his name?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember, I'll mention her Fox.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 4: He was on Twitter and there was one of those

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Speaker 4: gd Twitter debates. This is in twenty twenty two, over

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Speaker 4: whether Ann Frank ever acknowledged her white privilege for real.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't parody that was for real and so yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's a name. Andrew Fox grabbed the bit and ran

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Speaker 4: with it far. The result is an over the top

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Speaker 4: off Broadway spectacle which spares no sacred cows and raps

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Speaker 4: about being from the barrios of Frankfurt and her dad

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Speaker 4: can't focus when an SS officer is in derogating him

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Speaker 4: because of his attention deficit disorder, et cetera. Extention, and

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Speaker 4: the show is about the incoherence the far left worldview.

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Speaker 4: The actors screamed down with capitalism in the same breath

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Speaker 4: advocate for more black CEOs, yeah, which is a pretty

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Speaker 4: good twist. H And the best lines come during a

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Speaker 4: song towards the end, when the ensemble sings quote, the

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Speaker 4: oppressors have been lurking here among us, and tomorrow we'll

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Speaker 4: see that they're purged in, they're dealt with at last.

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Speaker 4: It's unclear at that point whether they're talking about Nazis

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Speaker 4: or the Jews, who've been recast as oppressors in recent years.

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Speaker 4: Of course, if you're talking about purging, it raises the

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Speaker 4: question could you be doing some oppressing yourself.

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Speaker 1: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: I like Katie's take, I quit that should be a

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Speaker 2: T shirt. Just like the modern world. I quit, and

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Speaker 2: it's not I'm gonna commit to U side.

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Speaker 1: I just quit.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to engage in the modern world anymore.

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Speaker 4: I'm done with this right, Well, what about globalizing the

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Speaker 4: INTI no I quit.

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Speaker 2: I quit quit a long time ago. Not enough black

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Speaker 2: people women Graham.

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Speaker 1: Out, So she says.

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Speaker 4: It's gleeful in its offensiveness, but not to any particular end.

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Speaker 4: There's only one note though. Admittedly it's struck. Admittedly it's

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Speaker 4: struck impressively, But when I left, I wasn't sure what

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Speaker 4: I was supposed to feel besides entertained. I tell you what, David,

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Speaker 4: David Fox, keep tweaking it, keep working on it, like

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Speaker 4: what you're going for here. There needs to be so

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Speaker 4: much more mockery like this and Noah Offman's piece, And

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Speaker 4: Noah's a very serious guy. But the power of mockery

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Speaker 4: and humor in changing minds, in changing or motivating political movements,

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Speaker 4: in knocking down political movements. I've been fascinated by that

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Speaker 4: since I was a kid. It's probably why I do

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Speaker 4: what I do. Great arguments matter, having the guns matters.

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Speaker 4: But if everybody's laughing at somebody you win.

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Speaker 2: The nineteen thousand word article in the Atlantic is what

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Speaker 2: Jaws got wrong. It portrays class divisions in a way

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Speaker 2: that anticipated a fight that has defined American politics since

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Was that what Jaws was about? You people are effing hilarious, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I was breaking down Caddyshack. We have Ted Knight, who

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Speaker 1: expressed white privilege.

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Speaker 2: And in the scene in Caddyshack when Bill Murray gets

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Speaker 2: struck by lightning in a thunderstorm, early climate change, well, brilliant,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's it.