WEBVTT - Episode 101: Favorite Fandoms 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.600 Welcome to another edition of Nerdificence. I am one half 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.520 of your host, Danny Fernandez if he is out of 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.520 town this week, but joining me we have our producer 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.799 Joel Monique. Hey so excited to be bad coming a 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.280 regular voice on here. I was gonna say, so the 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.920 next couple of weeks, we're going to be figuring out, uh, 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.400 you know, be patient with us just what's going on. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.360 We want to make sure that everyone is really safe, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.519 absolutely with the virus going around and um some of 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.479 you know, I have lime disease and hashimoto so I 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.559 just try to be extra careful when it comes to 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.279 my health, as I hope that you all are. Uh. So, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.000 today we don't have a guest, but instead Joel and 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.720 I are going to be geeking out about fandoms that 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:54.160 really impacted us, impacted our youth, and kind of the 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.880 things that we want to see in the future. Absolutely, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:58.480 I'm so excited to do this because we were trying 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.520 to figure out, you know, what do we talk about. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.120 We were going to do Bloodshot, and then the CDC 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:04.959 was like stay away from crowds, and I was like, 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.720 so maybe not movie theaters. That's no good. I get 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.840 pushed back to They had the screening at a small 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.880 theater at Live Nation. Um, but I wasn't going to 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.759 do it. I haven't done a room of more than 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.920 ten people since the announcement of COVID, and I thought, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.880 you know, let's just keep that up. Let's just keep 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.679 it small and tight and inner circle and people I 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.400 know that are clean and places that haven't had hundreds 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.480 of people through them. So that kind of left us 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.000 without a topic for the week. And then we were 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:36.600 talking about it a little bit, and I thought, well, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.160 let's do an nostalgia trip. Since everyone's probably going to 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.080 be at home talking about their favorite things, we're rewatching 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.360 their favorite shows. Yeah, all of my friends. I've been 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.040 watching a lot of Disney Plus like all the like 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.000 Hercules and Jungle Books. Yes, I've been getting up on 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.080 the new season of Clone Wars this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Also, 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.840 Encore is so good if you haven't watched it, have 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.680 you watched it? Joel n Core? What is this what 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:06.320 I'm talking about? Okay? So, so Kristen Bell is the host, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.280 and they brought back you would love it because you 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:14.880 love theater. So high schools their senior year. Uh, they 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.320 bring them back some of them from ten years ago, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.040 some of them from twenty years ago. It's a reunion. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.720 It's reunion where they had one week to put back 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:28.560 up their senior high school musical. Okay, okay, okay. And 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.760 so it's all these people that now they either haven't spoke. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.919 There's a lot of drama. You would be surprised because 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.800 it's high school theater groups just high school Okay, listen, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:43.040 high school drama is wild. There is this lady who 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.800 is married, like, she's married with kids. Did you think 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.960 about risking at all? Well, no, it's just that she 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.760 really still holds a grudge about her boyfriend that broke 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.799 up with her when he was a senior. I'm like, ma'am, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:57.360 he was seventeen when you broke my heart. Kevin. Yes, 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.919 that's exactly it. And it was so like, this is 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.359 so awkward. And then, um, so most of them get 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.880 recast in their in their traditional role. So like if 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.000 someone played Bell and Beauty and the Beast and someone 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.640 played the Beast or Cogsworts or whatever, it's so cool. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.800 So now they're in their forties and fifties and they 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.000 get real they um, you know, some of them, most 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.600 of them get cast some of them get recast though 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.480 spicy if they're like not really bring in the game 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.400 as much, and they're you know, and again they have 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.480 like five days to put this together. It's okay. So 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:32.120 they bring on they bring on directors and it's like 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:37.160 directors that have directed um like The Lion Key by Broadway. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.760 So they bring them on in a composer and a 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.760 choreographer to help them and uh, they kind of have 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.040 to audition some of the time and other times they 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.160 just let them have it. Since we're getting a good show. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.920 We don't care if their amateurs or not. They It's 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.960 so if you were a theater but I wasn't in 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.200 theater necessarily I did some, but I also was on 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.200 my drill team, so my dance team, and we had 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.080 to do like competitions and spring show and it was 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.520 just like it brings all of that back of like 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.760 having you know, two minutes to change costume change and 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.760 and and like racing and memorizing and all of that. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.640 It's just so great. All of this energy is really 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.360 making me want to call my high school and be like, yo, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.679 so how do we do because my so my senior 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.640 show was a play, not a musical because we would 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.360 do a musical every other spring semester. Um no, every 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.479 other fall semester. So we did The Lion, the Witch 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.159 and the Wardrobe senior year, but junior year we did 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.440 Cinderella and it was awesome because I was evil step 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.839 mom and so I had really great numbers but I 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.679 didn't have to carry the show. And my best friend 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.920 played um my daughter and they were like evil step 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.240 sisters and they were amazing. Listen. I would do it 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.880 in a heartbeat. I know all of these ladies. We 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.240 still talk. All the guys still hang around. Most of 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:49.719 them are out east, but they would come home to 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.760 do a cool show. Like most of them were like 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.720 childhood friends and are still buddies and talk. Disney hit 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.080 me up. I'm ready, I have. They're going to do 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.480 another season of it, so you have to. But yeah, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.080 they've done, like Pippin, they've done. They did high school 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.040 musical and I was so old, Oh my gosh, because 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.840 it's already like old. Yeah, they did that the year 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.960 after I left. They did high school musical. Yeah, so 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.680 there was a high school you know that graduated ten 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.120 tennis years ago and they did high school musical. So 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:19.960 they brought them back for that. They did Beauty and 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.720 the Beast. They did um like every big high school 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.400 you know, every big musical that people do in high school, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.600 they did that. Okay, that's definitely gonna bebinge. Yeah, I 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:37.479 love it. Yes. Yeah. So so moving on to some 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.760 of the fandoms and things that have really affected us, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.080 you know, for me, like off the top of my head, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:49.039 uh DBZ Sailor Moon. Honestly all Sailor Moon wasn't in 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.599 the UM two Nami block, but to Nami itself is 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.440 what introduced me to anime. Oh same Rooney Kitchen. With 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.039 the first anime Love, I was like obsessively watching it 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.960 it um that and then um oh Cowboy Bebop and 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.920 with a kid in the green suit Vali his friends 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:12.000 and It's got the cool theme song. Oh my god. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.000 Those three were like really it in those early like 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.039 early years, late nineties, UM and it kind of a 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.919 wokeet like the next level nerd in me because I 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.720 was very casually watching like the superhero animated shows mostly. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.080 That was very much my introduction to nerd. Um other 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.680 than video games, which oh man, all like DC's entire 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.520 Sleate was absolutely my Jamma started with Batman, the animated series, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.679 which I watched with my dad as a kid because 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.719 their master works of art and we like obsessively watch 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.480 over and over again. I got really into Batman. I like, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.400 deep down, truly love a disturbed character. Like after Batman, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.360 Withering Heights was like my favorite. But it's a kid. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.760 I was like into like dark, angry men, it's a problem, 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.880 which girls, please tell me, it's so brand the Count 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:05.400 of Monty Cristo, the hero with the like difficult journey, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:10.760 but also that movie you know, a little cousin or 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.640 something so cute it's adorable, and I was like, who 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.160 is this hot man? But he was. He was like 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.080 you know, I was like in middle school or something. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.760 He was like in high school and maybe college. And 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.920 so it was so funny that then see him re emerge, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.240 because in my mind he disappeared for like a decade 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.840 he was in that, and then to see him like 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.640 bust out and be Superman, I was like, of course 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.520 he did not tutors, okay. So that was where I 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.520 got like my like, I kind of noticed Henry in 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.680 the background of that. He's great in it. But I 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.440 was very distracted by our leads Holy like it's very gay. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.880 It's not gay, but it's very gay. And so I 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.080 was like, oh my gosh, look at these game mal lovers. 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.080 I love it. Um. But then he popped up in 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.760 the Tutors and he plays the King's I think again 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.800 cousin or brother or something like that, and I was like, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.720 who is this stunning chiseled featured man, my god and 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:07.080 the Tutors. If you're like a history nerd, it's pretty great. Um. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.640 But yeah, I was like watching Batman and like really 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.000 into Justice League and justly Unlimited. I watched some X 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.080 Men sometimes Storm was dope and they had a great 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.280 theme song based off of Whitney Houston songs. I was there, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.640 but yeah, then it wasn't until two Nami where was like, well, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.320 there's like a whole another level of nerd that you 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.440 can enter, and there are so many shows and sometimes 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.600 you can listen to them in their original Japanese and 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.560 I really liked that. Yeah, we had to do that illegal, 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.040 of course, not I'm watching a lot of stuff online 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.400 or looking for the VHS s or my cousins taped 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.280 it off of something. I don't know if anyone out 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.480 there remembers the Black Goku. But that's how I saw 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.040 a lot of my stuff. There was a site that 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.400 they had like they would upload like the margin saga 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.440 and I was like, what is this? We would be 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.959 back on like the saying saga. Um. So that was 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.319 like a really big one where I'd watch it, and 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.880 I think my parents thought I was watching porn straight up, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.280 my parents because I was like I was, so I 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.800 was being so weird about it, you know, and like 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.320 this was a time of like Napster and lime Wire, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.320 Like yeah, we're weird about it because it was illegal 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:09.959 and you didn't want your parents to question that or 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.480 were you weird about it because some of the content 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.439 gets weird. And I think your parents were like weird 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.319 about anime. They probably saw it as like the same 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.280 um that people sometimes when you tell older people about anime, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.320 they think a tent i because they just think of 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.959 tentacles and stuff, or like anime girls um, which, by 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.800 the way, if you look at nineties comic book covers 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:36.560 truly equally the same. Like a lot of women without 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.280 actual bone structure, they would fall over. They would fall 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.000 over if your boobs are that big and your feet 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.840 are that tiny you have Faro waste. Yeah, that's Barbie. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:51.040 The the idea that unobtainable, like not even unobtainable, but 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.720 like non realism, there's there's suddenly like in the nineties 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.480 there was a lack of realism in any way that 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.600 we shaped the body. And Stanley has like told I 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:00.920 think we talk about this on the show last week 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.040 because a total slam dunk when he's talking to Todd 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.920 McFarland about like the way he draws feet, which often 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.080 Todd would be like, here's like an arrow and some 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.480 lines pointing at the like a shoe. Sure, why not. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.320 I'm glad I missed this phase of comics. I didn't 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.560 get into comics until two thousand and eight, and I 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.280 started with reading the early two thousands comics, so like 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.360 Cassandra Caine's Run Its Back Girl was one of the 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.880 first books I ever read. Then I got really into 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:31.240 like some of them where DC was doing the recanonizing 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.640 of a lot of comics and they would kill off 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.440 all their characters. I'm having such a brain fart with 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.560 the name of this series. It'll come to me later. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.760 But yeah, so you get into DVZ, you're watching anime 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.000 you're sort of hiding it from your parents. What do 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.439 you say from like a casual watch to like, oh 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.360 my god, this is part of my identity because you 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.640 have DVZ tattoos. Yeah, it's so weird. I don't know, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.880 because I was diagnosed last year with o c D, 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.559 and a part of me feels I mean, the way 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.800 that my understanding is that you've actually had it. Evil 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.160 has had it. It's just now you have a diagnosis. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.880 And so I and I've talked to people in our 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.600 discord honestly, in our gutificent discord about this like last year, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.480 is that I literally, probably for protective measures, lived slash 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.080 live in a fantasy land. And there's a lot of 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.160 people that are like me. And it's probably why I'm 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.280 a writer and write the stuff that I do and 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.400 work in the field that I do. Is that when 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.559 I was I would so if you saw a playground, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.640 I would see like a space battleship, which is normal 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.640 for kids write a lot of kids. I never grew 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.560 out of that, and so well, yeah, it can be 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.920 a little it can be a little like you know, uh, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.160 problematic at times because you don't want to live in 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.280 a fantasy world. And I don't, but I definitely fantasize 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.240 a lot. I fantasize a lot like I if you 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.520 ever whenever I'm walking similar with headphones in, I'm like 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.360 listening to the Halloween soundtrack and like envisioning what it 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:01.040 feels like to be like you know. For me, I 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.960 literally do think of that, like not that, but like 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:05.760 what it's like to live in a horror movie, because 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.320 then I can write that it's just like you know, 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.000 or living in a sci fi movie. So for DVZ, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.320 for me was so different because, like you were saying, 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.240 at the time, I was watching snick at night, I 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.480 was watching Are You Afraid of the Dark, and Hey 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.920 Arnold and and Angry Beavers and those are all great 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:26.520 and awesome, but they're not anime. Anime was adult theme. Well, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.000 Hey Arnold did deal with adult themes and like had 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.120 dealt with immigrants and like it was such a great show. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.200 But then you have these like buff dudes and spandex 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.880 and these you know, hot women, and it was just like, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:42.000 who are brilliant? And like opened a new world for me, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.000 and so I became I would say, obsessive, and I 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.160 think that that's not in a bad way. It was 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.880 just something that when I was in middle school, my 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.760 body was changing a ton. I was bullied a lot. 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.120 I was bullied for liking anime. I went to middle 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.720 school in Orange County. I think I've said this before, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.120 but like everyone was watching like Laguna Beach and I 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:04.080 was watching Tensio and and Gundam Wing and it was weird, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.559 Like that was weird that I had a bunch of 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.560 um DBZ holographic cards on my binder, and it was 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.720 just it was just different. And I would be in 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:19.880 role playing chat rooms um as a saying Princess when 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.280 I was like twelve, and now I'm like, I think, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:24.760 you know, you had to be a certain age to 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:26.760 be in them. I was definitely not that age. There's 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.400 certainly a bubble for our generation where there was just 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.120 no internet protection and our parents were like, sure, she's 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.240 just on that internet computer thing over there. And I 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.240 was pretty aware of like stranger danger and like don't 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.400 give someone your adjest or like meet up, and I 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.680 had never like went on with those intentions. But it 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.640 was just so fun, as you say, to sort of 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.319 continue that fantasy world that had spawned from books and cartoons, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.040 which I wasn't ready to let go of and clearly 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.480 still not ready to let go of. Uh. It was 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.480 it was an extension of that, and it became like 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.480 a nice sort of safety net and a way to 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.240 sort of play with a lot of adult things that 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.040 weren't happening in my life yet that I was ready 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:08.680 to explore. But safe environment, Yeah that's for me. Like 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.200 my sexuality was such you know, when you're bullied a lot, 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.720 that's kind of what you you wish that you had 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.600 that you lean And so fan fiction for me, I 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.400 stumbled onto to fan fiction dot net, which I always read, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.840 but like on there it was you know, these cool 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.320 high school kids and college kids that I would keep 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.640 up with because they would have um one is be Chan, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.960 who I love. She still has her side up. This 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.800 is like so for people from like the two thousands, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.000 but um, I would read her she was in college 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.640 and I would read she was a great writer, but 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.200 I would read her erotic fan fiction. And it was 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.560 so like a time for me to like explore that, 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.120 like you said, in a safe place when I was 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.560 being shunned for my body, and it was just like, yeah, 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.280 it was something that I needed, And that's how he 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.880 became obsessed with it, right, So it was like something 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.880 when I would come home from school, it was like 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.080 this was my safe place. These are my friends in 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.080 this chat room, and this is like the art that 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:12.000 I'm taking in UM And yeah, I just remember too, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.440 like all of the girls on Tensimlio, I just wanted 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.680 to look like them so much, and I'm glad that 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.880 I came. Like I would draw them and I would 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.440 just think like, oh that was This is also the 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.640 time of like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, and I 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.440 was like, I just want to have like a waste 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.920 that that that's that's small, you know. And m One 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.040 of my favorite things too about DBZ is Boma. In 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:38.920 the very famous episode where they are going to Namic 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.760 with her Krillan and go Han, she's in Calvin Klein's 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.760 like the whole time, and she's thick, and that was 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.400 so great to see. You know, she has a big 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.760 chest and like thighs to go along with it, and 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.280 I just in her brain obviously, but like it was 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.280 so nice to see that represented as opposed to just 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.800 like something that wasn't my size. That was sort of 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.880 what turned me onto Batman was like, Wow, Batman is 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.920 out here being awesome and slaying And there was a 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.320 lot of like as I was learning about my depression 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.520 and becoming two terms with and understanding it, and I 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.880 would say it was about eight or o eleven. I 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.160 didn't have a diagnosis because good therapy is hard to 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.440 find in the middle of nowhere, but I understood that. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.200 I was like, I'm just not happy and thinking about 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.200 death a lot. What does that mean? And people would 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.520 be like, no, you're fine, like think about other things, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.800 Like it's really not fine. And Batman was just like 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.840 always sad angry in a way that and he was 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.840 like able to get mad in a way that I 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.880 still can't. I can't get angry, Like I don't know 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.840 how to be angry. I don't like if I start 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.080 feeling those emotions and like tap it down. But I 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.840 can watch Batman be angry and like punch out Joker's 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.640 lights and like find the bad guy and get to 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.960 a solution and a resolution, which is something I was 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.200 death really searching for, and so I really liked that. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.240 But then these like awesome women would come in and 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.920 like here's Harley Quinn, like running amok and like falling. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.400 She's falling in love in a way that is absolutely toxic. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.000 And I want to say it all is an ideation, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.320 but at the time, as a ten year old, you're 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.560 just like, oh my god, like to be that madly 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.159 in love, to like swoon and fall and like, I 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.160 feel a connection to somebody. There's something that you could 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.359 easily identify, you know, as your body is like raging 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.320 with hormones and you're feeling overwhelmed all the time. Harley 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.840 Quinn was. And then she had Poison Ivy, which even 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.280 as a kid, I was reading the lesbian energy between them, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.440 and that was the first fan fiction I stumbled upon, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:33.200 like Harley Quinn slash Poison Ivy smartness, just like yes, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.280 you're my ladies, finally like living out the dream that 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.600 I sort of wanted to see them in Cannon And 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.960 that was sort of my connection to the online nerd community. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.200 What I was going to say when you were talking 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.680 about comics, I didn't really pick up comics until later, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.520 like you, but I did technically read comics because I 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.800 had all the Calvin and Hobbes books. Like that is 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.240 Calvin and I were the same. We lived in a 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.920 fantasy world. We lived in like a world that wasn't 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.080 hours and we could just play with our imagination uh 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.280 and be alone. Um. I also read far side. I 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.720 was obsessed with the Sunday Funnies, like well just in general. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:11.720 I started to move from just Sunday to like I 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.639 would read them every day. Um. So that's probably also 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.880 why I have a love of art. I can't do it. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.919 I'm like not an illustrator, and so Joel has been 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.720 in my place. I have a ton of art, which beautiful. Yeah, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.640 I love independent art. I always buy art from from 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.679 artists and people that take commissions and like at cons 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.720 because it's like the thing I can't do. I do 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.639 a bunch of things, but like, I'm sure if I 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.199 could have, you know, it wouldn't be as beautiful. But 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.880 that is what started me into that world. The appreciation 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.520 of art was comics, like that in the comics I 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.879 saw in the newspaper, because they were just so um, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.160 quick and funny and it was like that you could 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.199 show you know, sometimes they didn't even really need to 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.840 say anything. Um. And I found that fascinating, especially my 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.960 writer side, because so much of what I do is 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.920 in writing that it's like, oh, they're able to tell 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.399 a story. Sometimes they have one word in the comic. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.600 As a writer gets really frustrating when you mean artists 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.200 who can also write, and you're like, why do all 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:09.760 the talent? They're like, I put a lot of work 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.520 into learning how to draw, and you're like, yeah, okay, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.080 I hear you. If I probably put in the work, 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:14.800 maybe I could have been like a tenth of the 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.000 artist you are. When you look at people that are 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.320 like Jorge Gautiers who did Book of Life, who's doing 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.040 My in the three on Netflix? And that's same thing. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.399 Like most of those directors are animators, you know they 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.560 they but they also write all of their own scripts. 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.000 It's so it's so impressive to be able to do both. 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.679 And then that way you're sort of both giving that 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.560 narration to the story and driving the eye through the story, 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.400 which is such a hard thing to do and film 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.359 me with twenty four frames in a second a comic behage, 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.160 you have twenty two pages, and however many panels feasibly 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.119 fits and you can read easily in those pages. So 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.479 it's like such a challenge to be like that exact 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.080 perfect moment that will explain to readers like what a 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.720