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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: August twenty second. Got some great topics today as we

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Speaker 2: slowly get to the end of August, we're limping to

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Speaker 2: the start of the NFL season inside three weeks to play.

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Speaker 2: College football shockingly starts this weekend. So tomorrow we've got

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Speaker 2: a great college football guest booked. He came on by demand.

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Speaker 2: You guys asked for him last year. We gave it

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Speaker 2: to you. He's good on college football. I'll save you

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Speaker 2: the name, so we'll keep some suspense for tomorrow. And

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Speaker 2: no great games this weekend. I saw Notre Dames in action,

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Speaker 2: but they're playing somebody their favorite heavily over and the

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Speaker 2: games don't start in earnest until Labor Day weekend. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's quickly get to We got two topics that I

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Speaker 2: love today. I'm just give a little warning and advance

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Speaker 2: the second topic. It's near and dear to my heart

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Speaker 2: because it's involving Steph Curry, and the other side of

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Speaker 2: the coin is near and dear to rob GE's heart.

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Speaker 2: He is a big Laker guy now I'm also a

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Speaker 2: Laker guy. I'm just wondering it could get testy given

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Speaker 2: some of the chatter before the podcast listen. Obviously, Rob

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Speaker 2: and I like each other. I think the topic will

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Speaker 2: be fun. But we got to start in the NFL

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Speaker 2: with Joe Montana, who was, by many accounts of the

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Speaker 2: greatest quarterback in NFL history until Tom Brady took that

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Speaker 2: mantle from him. I don't know if Brady stole it

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Speaker 2: with the Seattle Super Bowl where the Seahawks had the

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Speaker 2: best defense in the league and Brady went the length

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Speaker 2: of the field twice in the fourth quarter touchdowns. It

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Speaker 2: might have been that comeback against the Falcons where they

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Speaker 2: were getting smashed and they pull off an amazing comeback

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Speaker 2: and win in overtime. But either way, Tom Brady eclipsed

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Speaker 2: Montana as the greatest quarterback of all time. When I

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Speaker 2: think Joe Montana, besides the Leonard Marshall hit that pretty

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Speaker 2: much ended his career in San France and ended up

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Speaker 2: sending him to the Chiefs, I think just Joe Montana,

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Speaker 2: like making it look easy, drop back, clean pocket all

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Speaker 2: the time. Jerry Rice John Taylor, who was the Titan

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Speaker 2: Brent Selick now he might have been with the Steve

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Speaker 2: Young teams. Who was that tight end Rob g a lumbering,

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Speaker 2: large white guy with the Niners back in the day.

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Speaker 2: Do you know his name?

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Speaker 1: I do not, but I can look it up while

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Speaker 2: You look it up. So bottom line is Montana classic

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Speaker 1: Pivoted Dwight and Clark.

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Speaker 2: Dwight Clark, thank you had the amazing catch against the

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Speaker 2: But I think that Montana in the pocket quarterback era

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Speaker 2: right in the eighties, you didn't have your quarterbacks running

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Speaker 2: think maybe in the early nineties Randall Cunningham. He was

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Speaker 2: just electric, taking crazy hits, elusive and you're like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: of open and you've got this totally diverse set of

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl and now all the elite quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 2: league not only win from the pocket, but really are

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Speaker 2: dangerous because they're mobile, and that's just not something that

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Speaker 2: happened in the Montana era. Phil Simms drop back in

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Speaker 2: the court, three step drop, four step drop, boom boom,

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Speaker 2: go through the progressions carving up these defenses. And Montana

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Speaker 2: did an interview with USA Today this week promoting something

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Speaker 2: not promoting it. Buried at the end of the story,

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Speaker 2: literally the last quote in the story, Joe Montana says

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks that win consistently now win from the pocket. And

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Speaker 2: it's one of those quotes that might be overlooked by

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Speaker 2: sees what's going on with the stats knows that that's

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Speaker 2: just not factually correct. The best quarterbacks in the NFL

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Speaker 2: right now consistently threatened teams with their feet. I don't

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Speaker 2: know which website had the advanced stat that it was

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Speaker 2: a drop back. It's a quarterback running the football. Now,

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Speaker 2: So this is just the new advanced stats in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the last five six years now, and

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Speaker 2: it's another reason running backs are slightly being devalued. I

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Speaker 2: in a lab, that's what you want. Six or five

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Speaker 2: But his ability to do both keeps defenses consistently guessing.

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Speaker 2: You're not losing sleep at night when you're facing an

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Speaker 2: Are you losing sleep if you're a defensive coordinator over

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Speaker 2: You know, you look at some of the playoff games.

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Speaker 2: I think he had four rushes thirty yards. This is

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is amazing. What's been interesting is Montana's comments

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of these quarterbacks now, Rob they

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Speaker 2: like you can see the guy isn't just a pocket quarterback,

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Speaker 2: He's an athlete. The old adage used to be you

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Speaker 2: I just I disagree with the overall sentiment, and I

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Speaker 2: you're in trouble. By the way, Trevor Lawrence, remember him

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Speaker 2: against Clemson against Ohio State. One of the best seventy

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Speaker 2: yard touchdown runs I've ever seen for a quarterback. That

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Speaker 2: excellent runner. So Rob this feels like, you know, old

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm going to say this with all due respect.

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Speaker 3: Usually when someone says with all due respect, something super

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Speaker 3: disrespectful is.

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Speaker 1: About to follow.

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Speaker 3: But everything that Joe Montana told USA today is wrong.

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Speaker 3: It is no longer correct. That line of thinking has

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Speaker 3: expired in today's NFL. You brought up a lot of

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Speaker 3: want the facts over the feelings, kind of arguing. We

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Speaker 3: kind of bridged the gap between the two generations. And

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Speaker 3: even then, both of those guys are probably more known

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Speaker 3: for their ability to move than just much of that,

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Speaker 3: but to throw the football, you know, Russell Wilson obviously

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Speaker 3: more so. But what made Aaron Rodgers so special in

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Speaker 3: his prime was his ability to escape, make plays on

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Speaker 3: that's what you know, separated him from a lot of

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Speaker 3: that you would classic as a quote unquote mobile quarterback

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Speaker 2: And that's obvious. We've been on that early and I

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Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, your boy went on cow Herd show the

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Speaker 2: I said Steph Curry was the second best point guard

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Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna say, Gilbert Aarenas made a silly

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Speaker 2: You can't. You can only emulate Curry because he shoots

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Speaker 2: Magic has him in titles five to four, has him

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Speaker 2: just quickly add, if you're doing it that way, you're

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me Magic Johnson, Kareem abdul Jabbar, and

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Speaker 2: That was a series. I think Magic at Byren Scott

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Speaker 2: I think Curry has a strong case for himself despite

429
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Speaker 2: not having the accolades, the same way Lebron for me

430
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 2: is the goat over Jordan despite not having six rings

431
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah blah. The defense has rested.

432
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Speaker 2: Rob Go ahead and tear it to shreds. I know

433
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: you're champing at the bit.

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Speaker 3: Look, all I'm gonna say is, before I get into

435
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: the meat of the argument, is you keep letting that

436
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: one time that you went to the gym doing a

437
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 3: super set and Steph Curry walked up behind you gave

438
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: you a spot, and You're like, this guy is the

439
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: greatest thing since slice bread. He will now be my

440
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: favorite player of all time. Look, Steph Curry is great

441
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: and and and I don't want to make it seem

442
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: like I'm disrespecting Steph Curry. I have him like borderline top.

443
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: I think maybe like top ten or twelve, if I

444
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 3: would have really break it out like Top twelve.

445
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Speaker 1: By the way, No, no, not yet.

446
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: I mean he is his story is still being written.

447
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 3: He has a little bit more work to do, And

448
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: everything you said about Steph Curry is accurate, right, He's

449
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: the greatest shooter of all time. Extra points for basically

450
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: building a dynasty out of thin air, because that Golden

451
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: State Warriors team historically.

452
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: Is just not a great franchise.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean the fact that they still hang on to

454
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Speaker 3: the we believe Warriors, which I believe won one playoff

455
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: series and like that's like they're claim to fame and

456
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: all these guys are on TV and podcast now because

457
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 3: of it. Like that's what he resurrected as so he

458
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: gets extra points for.

459
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Speaker 1: That, of course.

460
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Speaker 3: But as much as you don't want to talk about

461
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: the counting stats, when you're discussing players of this caliber,

462
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: you have to nitpick, and fortunately for me, you don't

463
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: have to nitpick very hard to determine that Magic Johnson

464
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: is still leaps and bounds ahead of Steph Curry all time.

465
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Speaker 3: One more championship, two more finals, MVP, one more regular

466
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Speaker 3: season MVP, five more all NBA First teams, three more

467
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: All Star appearances. So the gap between Steph Curry and

468
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson is basically like another Hall of Fame career

469
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Speaker 3: it's like Paul Pierce. Like you added Paul Pierce's career

470
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Speaker 3: to Steph Curry, then maybe you get to Magic Johnson.

471
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: And then if you look at just the raw numbers,

472
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Speaker 3: which I know this is kind of boring for listeners,

473
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Speaker 3: but outside of points where Steph Curry's head by about

474
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Speaker 3: four thousand, Magic hasn't been and rebounds, assists, steals, blocks,

475
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Speaker 3: and they've played only like twenty games different.

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Speaker 2: I think it's less than that well, depending regular season,

477
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: in playoff, yeah, playoffs, think factors injuries early in his career.

478
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: Exactly, and and and Magic's career was cut short due

479
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: to AIDS. So we can only imagine if Steph Curry's

480
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: healthy in the beginning, what his accolades look like. We

481
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Speaker 3: can also only imagine if Magic never gets HIV, how

482
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Speaker 3: many more all nbas, how many more cracks at the Apple?

483
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Speaker 3: Does he get to win an NBA championship. So both

484
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: of these guys are all time greats. It's just something

485
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: that has bothered me going back now a couple of years,

486
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: that it has become more prevalent with social media. Everybody

487
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: likes to think that what they see now is better

488
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: than anything that ever existed before, and that might be

489
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Speaker 3: true in some instances because of technology, and you know, bigger, faster, stronger,

490
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Speaker 3: and I get all of that, But that doesn't mean

491
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Speaker 3: you can just go ahead and disrespect the guys that

492
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: came before you because you prefer this style of play

493
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: or the way this guy does things because you brought

494
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Speaker 3: it up, Gilbert of Reenas is whole argument in favor

495
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Speaker 3: of Steph Curry over Magic Johnson, which I'm glad you

496
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: pointed out with stupid was well, I see more guys

497
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: at the park and AAU play like Steph than Magic

498
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: like because more guys play like Joel Embiid than they

499
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: do like Shaq. That that means Shack's not better than

500
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: Joel Embiid. No, it's just, you know, it's easier to

501
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: duplicate that style of play because Shaq and Magic have

502
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: freakish athleticism and size for their position, like that shouldn't

503
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: be held against them. And so this is a roundabout

504
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: way again of me saying Steph Curry's great is nowhere

505
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: close to Magic Johnson nowhere close.

506
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Speaker 2: So the all NBA thing, the all NBA thing was interesting,

507
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: five different all NBA. I'm trying to think, who are

508
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: the point guards that are getting all NBA over Curry

509
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Speaker 2: in the last decade.

510
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Speaker 3: In the Black world, didn't get first team if Lukadancic

511
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: has been running.

512
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Speaker 1: Through it pretty quickly.

513
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's putting one ridiculous stats. That's yeah, that's interesting.

514
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: And I know people love to say Magic eight in

515
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: the Jordan era and the Bird era. That's fine.

516
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: That's Steph eight in the Lebron era, so that yeah,

517
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: that counts for him too.

518
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Arenas didn't have much of an argument. And

519
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: this is a very vague question because I don't know

520
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: that there's like a concrete answer. But Rob, taking into

521
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: by the way, the Lakers season two of that winning

522
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: time just started last night, I recorded, I haven't seen it.

523
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Taking into account what Magic and Bird did in the

524
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: eighties for the NBA and what Curry's impact has been

525
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: on the league and basketball as a whole in the

526
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: last fifteen years, who has had a bigger impact on basketball,

527
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: not just the NBA basketball in their career Because I

528
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: think most people would think Magic initially, but if you

529
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: look at Curry, Oh, I don't even think it's close, dude.

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Speaker 3: It's it's really tough because it's whether you value the

531
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 3: globalization of the game, and you know, getting it on

532
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: television the way Magic john'son Larry Bird did, and then

533
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: Steph Curry just fundamentally changing the way people play basketball. Well,

534
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: and it's just it's different. So it's kind of way

535
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 3: you prefer.

536
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's the globalization is more dream team and I

537
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: think that was technically Jordan's team. Magic was on it,

538
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: but I would say getting the NBA on TV, getting

539
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: it on the map Magic Johnson hands down. But it's again,

540
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: I know people aren't gonna like putting Curry in the

541
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: magic discussion, but the best thing to do ten years

542
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: from now, Curry's been removed from the league for ten years,

543
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: does magic And is does this discussion look different when

544
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: you look at post career because Curry is still in it.

545
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: People are not gonna want to give him credit. Oh

546
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: is you know a story is still being written, But

547
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

548
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: It's absolutely gonna be different because Steph Curry, even in

549
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: his advantage age and he's one of those guys whose

550
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: game is aging gracefully because of how while he shoots,

551
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: how while he keeps himself in condition. I don't if

552
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: you saw the videos on social media, like Luka Doncez

553
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 3: tried to do one of those Steph Curry workouts and

554
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: it looked like me and you out there trying to

555
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: do one of the Steph like he's just bent over.

556
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: He can't bounce the ball anymore like he was.

557
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: He was done.

558
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: And Steph Curry is gonna add at least two to

559
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: three more all NBA. I don't know if they'll be

560
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: first team, but it'll definitely add at least two to

561
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: three more all NBA teams. He's gonna be in the

562
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: championship mix as long as he wants to be. I

563
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: think in Golden State, and he's always going to be.

564
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: To me in the NBA Mount Rushmore because of what

565
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: he's done for the NBA and the way it's played,

566
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: it's just.

567
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Rushmore.

568
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: If he is, it's him and Bird together, I would

569
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: say yes. So I would say yes. So.

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00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: At thirty two years old, Curry averaged a league leading

571
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: thirty two points per game, shot forty eight, forty two,

572
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Speaker 2: ninety one at thirty two. At thirty two, Magic Johnson

573
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: wasn't even in the league, right, Wasn't he done at

574
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: thirty one?

575
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: Right? But that's now fair compared.

576
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: It's not fair, But I'm just saying the stuff Curry's

577
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: doing fine. How about this thirty four years old? Last year,

578
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: Curry averaged twenty nine points a game at thirty four.

579
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: That's one of the highest marks of anyone that age. Ever,

580
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: it's like Karl Malone, Michael Jordan, oh, Steph Curry, Like,

581
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: centers aren't doing that, point guards aren't doing that. I

582
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: don't know if Lucas gonna be doing that at thirty four.

583
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: For him to average twenty nine, you know, it's not

584
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: like he's even going down. I don't think Curry, if anything,

585
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: he's at the plateau and he's just coasting. Like it's

586
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: crazy what he's doing at this age. And I don't

587
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: know how many more max years of superstardom does he

588
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: have left one two?

589
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

590
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody thought Brady would be playing at forty

591
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: five and winning a Super Bowl in his mid forties, Like,

592
00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

593
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, it's weird to say this, but

594
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: he and Lebron James are very similar in that it

595
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: seems like they can be All Star caliber players until

596
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: they just decide they don't want to be anymore. Because

597
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: of the like Lebron Thankfully, because the way his body is,

598
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: he's able to transform from being a guy who plays

599
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: on the wing to a guy who basically just plays

600
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: at the rim. That's going to be what he does now,

601
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: Steph Curry. So long as his ankles hold up, which

602
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: they have now for over a decade, I don't see

603
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: any signs of him slowing down. So to your point,

604
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: ten years from now, he's going to have more accolades

605
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: to put on his resume. That could make this a much,

606
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: in my opinion, a much closer conversation than it is

607
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: right now here in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Of August twel I guess, I mean, I guess. To

609
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: wrap it up, I would say, you know, if you ask,

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Speaker 2: if you ask fifty people who are over the age

611
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Speaker 2: of forty, I think most would say no. If you

612
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: ask fifty people who were under the age of say

613
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: thirty five, I bet most would say, Steph Curry, this

614
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: is gonna be a complicated one because it's close when

615
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 2: you look at that. Now you look at those counting stats.

616
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Where it gets real tricky, Rob is Let's say the

617
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: Warriors pivot and get off Clay and add another guy

618
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: and win another title. Okay, I think the same people

619
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: who are saying, oh, Lebron only played with stars are

620
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: gonna be like, whoa, whoa, woll Curry only tied Magic

621
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: because they added, let's just say, Polo bank Caro. It's

622
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: not him, he's not whatever, but a star. That's the

623
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: only reason. And he had Kevin Durant. But wait a minute,

624
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson had Kareem Abdul Jabbar and James Worthy for

625
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: his entire prime. James Worthy is a top thirty player

626
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: all time? Is that too generous?

627
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Definitely in there.

628
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jabbar is top five by everybody, anybody with a clue. Now,

629
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Speaker 2: I mean like Magic had the I can't think of

630
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: anyone who played on more stack teams than Magic Johnson.

631
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: And I don't think the answer is Lebron. I think

632
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: Magic played on more stack teams than anybody. Lebron never

633
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: played for them.

634
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: That's a good I never thought of it that way,

635
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: but it's he's up there for sure. So I don't

636
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: think he ever played with the team that didn't that

637
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: wasn't loaded.

638
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Lebronlayed Wade his career, right, Lebron played with Wade, who's

639
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: the top twenty guy all time, right, Yes, okay, played

640
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: with Chris Bosh. I don't think Chris Bosh is in

641
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: James Worthy territory.

642
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry people.

643
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: James Worthy was a Finals MVP with a triple double

644
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: in game seven. Okay, Bosh is not there. It was Boston.

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Speaker 2: James was Bosh top seventy five.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not. Okay, So then Lebron goes to play

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Speaker 2: with Kyrie. Let's slow our role on Kyrie freaking Irving. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not top fifty. I don't even know if he

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Speaker 2: stops seventy five? And who's the other who's the third guy? Oh,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Love? Stop Kevin Love's not top fifty, he's not.

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Speaker 2: So then Lebron goes plays with ad Is he is

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Speaker 2: he a top fifty all time? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He might finish his career.

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Speaker 2: Fine, fine, if he's not top forty. I mean, you say,

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Speaker 2: who's had a better career, James Worthy or Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 2: And again, James Worthy played with stacked teams. Adies played

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Speaker 2: with Drew Holliday and guys in New Orleans, Like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis didn't win a title with Kentucky like by himself. Well, no,

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Speaker 2: he had a good team. I'm not buying something.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know who else escapes this criticism which I

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Speaker 3: hate to like spin it this way, Larry Bird needs

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Speaker 3: to be if we were gonna say the loaded team,

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Speaker 3: you know argument, Larry Bird always played on stacked teams

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Speaker 3: and Michail if you just that decade was Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame roster versus Hall of Fame roster, and then just

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Speaker 3: going at it and then oh, by the way, Isaiah

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Speaker 3: Thomas's pistons come in and went to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and oh by the way, like twenty four teams

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Speaker 2: in that league were garbage.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, you're saying eighties basketball wasn't loaded. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: That's another topic for another day. We'll close it on that.

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Speaker 2: We college football tomorrow. We'll talk to you that