WEBVTT - Passing the Baton — Bonus | Ashley's Story

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning with another Betrayal bonus episode. As the

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<v Speaker 1>Betrayal team works hard to bring you season three and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time turn Ashley's story into a docu series,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to introduce you and Ashley to Stacy, the

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<v Speaker 1>person who will share her story in season three. We

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<v Speaker 1>also wanted to check in with Aaron Adams, who was

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<v Speaker 1>having a hard day after getting some bad news. First,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to learn more about one of the organizations

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<v Speaker 1>working to keep kids and family safe, so we asked

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny Coleman, the director of Stop It Now, if she

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<v Speaker 1>would sit and speak with us. Jenny, thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you for having me. I'm really happy to

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<v Speaker 2>be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with Ashley Lytton, she's the subject of season two

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<v Speaker 1>of Betrayal. Before we get into ashle story, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear a little bit about what you do. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell us about Stop It Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Stop It Now is a national child sex abuse

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<v Speaker 2>prevention program. We actually focus on perpetration prevention, which means

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<v Speaker 2>we really want to help folks who are in a

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<v Speaker 2>position that they're seeing warning signs or a vulnerable environment

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<v Speaker 2>and help them know what steps they can take to

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<v Speaker 2>interrupt any sort of harmful or abusive trajectory. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be signs in a spouse, a partner, a family member.

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<v Speaker 2>You're concerned that they're struggling with safe boundaries. But we

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<v Speaker 2>also serve everyone parents who have found out their child

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<v Speaker 2>has been harmed or abused, or that someone they know

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<v Speaker 2>has abused someone. Anybody who's in position that says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to keep kids safe and I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I could do more, or I'm seeing something that's concerning

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<v Speaker 2>me and to do that, we offer a free confidential helpline.

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<v Speaker 2>We also have a website full of free downloadable resoalce

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<v Speaker 2>verses on everything from what are warning signs? To how

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<v Speaker 2>do I check into my child's school? So visit us

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<v Speaker 2>at stopittnow dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley, do you want to share with Jenny a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about your story and some of the hurdles that

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Hi Jenny, Hi Ashley, I'm glad to meet you. So,

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<v Speaker 4>my husband was convicted of a child sexual exploitation and voyeurism.

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<v Speaker 4>He served ten months in county jail. He will be

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<v Speaker 4>on our sex offender registry for ten years and now

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<v Speaker 4>we have been going through a pretty terrible divorce for

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<v Speaker 4>two years now, and because he is doing well in

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<v Speaker 4>his court mandated therapy for sex offenders, he has had

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<v Speaker 4>supervised visits with our ten year old, and as soon

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<v Speaker 4>as the end of this month he will have unsupervised

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<v Speaker 4>visits with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry that you and your family have had

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<v Speaker 2>to go through this. I can't imagine just what a

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<v Speaker 2>difficult time. And you've been such a protective mom, and

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<v Speaker 2>you are the epitome of what to do when you

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<v Speaker 2>make such a horrific discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>In your line of work, do you see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of parents navigating this process of visitation and what are

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<v Speaker 1>some recommendations that you can offer to Ashley.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking earlier about how important it is to

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<v Speaker 2>know that we can't control everything that happens in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but how we respond is what really.

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<v Speaker 5>Makes or breaks us.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we look at what do we have control over,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how we talk with our kids about safety.

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<v Speaker 2>What are good boundaries? What are our rules so that

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<v Speaker 2>if anybody, even someone you love and care about, parent,

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<v Speaker 2>a grandparent, a professional, someone in a faith based institution,

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<v Speaker 2>does cross your boundaries. We give our children tools to

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<v Speaker 2>keep them safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Statistic the recidivism rates for sex crimes are pretty low.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're kind of on the ground running. What do

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<v Speaker 4>you see? What are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 2>So recidivism is really tricky because it is low, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we know. Interestingly enough, what we do here

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<v Speaker 2>is from people who do want to change and who

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<v Speaker 2>want help. But that's why they come to our site.

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<v Speaker 2>They recognize that they're struggling with safe boundaries or struggling

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<v Speaker 2>with their thoughts, feelings and behaviors. These are people who

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<v Speaker 2>want help to not cross a line, or if they

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<v Speaker 2>have crossed the line, they want help not to. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think the point with that is that they've taken

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility and are accountable. So there's kind of a model

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<v Speaker 2>of success.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of model for success. If you hear I

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<v Speaker 1>found God and now I'm healed, or I was sick

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<v Speaker 1>but now I'm healed, how do you feel about those

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<v Speaker 1>statements in terms of recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not to in any way diminish the power

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<v Speaker 2>of anybody's faith. It is fine to say I have

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<v Speaker 2>found faith through this process, But here's how that's impacted me.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what I've learned about myself. Here's what it is

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<v Speaker 2>that I plan to do differently, Here's how I plan

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<v Speaker 2>to get support. There's got to be a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>than just oh, I didn't have God in my life

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<v Speaker 2>before and now I do, and so I'm a safe person.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not going to cut it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if someone is communicating just that, does that give

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<v Speaker 1>you cause for concern about their rehabilitation process or where

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<v Speaker 1>they are in their recovery process.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely does. That statement in and of itself, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>is really leaving out such a huge important part. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't help heal the harm. It just doesn't demonstrate an

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of the harm that they've caused. God didn't cause

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<v Speaker 2>this harm. I, as a human being, harm the people

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<v Speaker 2>I love in my family by crossing their boundaries and

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<v Speaker 2>violating their privacy and engaging in a legal harmful behavior

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<v Speaker 2>by doing X, Y and C. It doesn't include that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So much of this process, I feel like you were voiceless, Ashley,

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<v Speaker 1>And part of the podcast was you reclaiming your voice,

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<v Speaker 1>reclaiming your power. Jenny, do you have any recommendations for

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley on how she can stand in her power and

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<v Speaker 1>all of this?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, just because I already see you

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. I mean, you're such a protective mom and

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<v Speaker 2>you are speaking out, and I do want to say

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one of those folks that feel like everybody

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<v Speaker 2>has to disclose abuse in their life, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>think being able to use your voice to educate others,

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<v Speaker 2>share your experience, encourage others is incredibly powerful. And realizing

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't control everything and I'm doing all the right

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<v Speaker 2>things now forgiving yourself, having your own good personal therapy

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<v Speaker 2>or counseling to support you and just self care really

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<v Speaker 2>important to reclaiming your power as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny, thank you so much for joining us today and

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate all of your insight.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thank you so much. I will definitely look for

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<v Speaker 4>some different resources on Stop It Now. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>that was also a resource for people like me, so

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<v Speaker 4>thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely write me directly and I'd be happy to point

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<v Speaker 2>you to some resources I'm thinking about that may be

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<v Speaker 2>helpful as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh all right, cool. Thank you so much, Jenny, and

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<v Speaker 4>thank you for all the work that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to stop it Now dot org if you or

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<v Speaker 1>someone you know is worried about their thoughts and feelings

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<v Speaker 1>towards children. Next, we'll get an update from someone you

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<v Speaker 1>met before in season two, Aaron Adams, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard her story before, check out season two episode

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<v Speaker 1>six member Aaron Adams. She was a marriage and family

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<v Speaker 1>therapist whose husband Joel, pled guilty to twenty five felony

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<v Speaker 1>charges of child sexual abuse material and was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>eight years in prison, but was released just after three years.

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<v Speaker 1>After finding out that Aaron's husband had reoffended, Ashley and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to catch up with her to see how

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<v Speaker 1>her custody fight was progressing.

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<v Speaker 4>And you have the hiccups I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to calm myself.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's cute. How are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm mad as hell today, big bad, Yeah, big bad,

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<v Speaker 3>big sad.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's gone on.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought this was over, you know, and it's not. Yeah. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>they just said, yeah, you still have to take your

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<v Speaker 3>kids to supervise visits. I'm like, he's awaiting sentencing next week,

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<v Speaker 3>but they said, listen, family Court, we know nothing about that.

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<v Speaker 3>You still have to take your kids. I'm just I

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<v Speaker 3>rate about the best that this has caused.

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<v Speaker 1>Jewelry offended. Yeah, how did you find out about that?

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<v Speaker 1>And how did that all play out?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the circumstances of how or why he reoffended.

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<v Speaker 3>All I know is that it was a felony charge.

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<v Speaker 3>It's public on the court County website. And my lawyer

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<v Speaker 3>had called me to prepare me for court and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>guess what, he did it again, So this should be easier. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never once felt anything got easier throughout this entire process.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never felt that freedom like how to get caught?

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<v Speaker 3>He had things on his phone that violated his parole

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<v Speaker 3>and got him sent back for more charges.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, I think you and I both are fighting that

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<v Speaker 4>same bite right now. I was like, fuck, no, he's

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<v Speaker 4>not seeing her, I'm not doing supervised visits. And I

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<v Speaker 4>got in trouble for it. They told me I had

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<v Speaker 4>to let her go to supervise visits, even though I

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<v Speaker 4>said she doesn't want to go. How are we supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to protect these kids?

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly how I feel. I mean, it'll always be

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<v Speaker 3>our job, but I don't think they should have to

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<v Speaker 3>be on us. Because I told the judge the very

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<v Speaker 3>same thing. I said, my kids are still the same

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<v Speaker 3>age as the kids that he's viewing.

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<v Speaker 6>And he just did it again. So this isn't an

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<v Speaker 6>oopsy whoopsie. This isn't he accidentally stumbled across this page.

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<v Speaker 6>He purposely made a habit out of this. This is

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<v Speaker 6>something that he does.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't listen to me at all, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>we've moved on. I'm not even mad at him. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel sorry for him. Right, I'll abide by the court order,

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<v Speaker 3>but if he ends up going to prison, I might

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<v Speaker 3>have bought us some more time. And I absolutely don't

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<v Speaker 3>coach my kids. I'm only trying to inform my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a super fine line. I said, if you

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<v Speaker 3>ever change your mind and you want to meet him,

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<v Speaker 3>you have questions for him, I will one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>uphold that. I will make sure you go and you

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<v Speaker 3>get your questions answered and you are in a safe place.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that every parent would do that, but

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<v Speaker 3>I know I will do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're wonderful, mom, you really are, and we are thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and rooting for you on the sidelines. And keep us

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<v Speaker 1>updated for what happens in the next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I'm always a text away up.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll meet with the woman at the center of Betrayal

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<v Speaker 1>season three. We wanted to introduce you and Ashley to

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<v Speaker 1>the person we will all get to know in season

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<v Speaker 1>three of Betrayal Stacy Rutherford. Hi, Stacy, Hey, I have

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley here with me and I want to introduce you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Finally, Hey, Ashley. Hi, Stacy. Good to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 5>It's so good to hear you, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey wrote in After Hearing season two, Stacy, do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to just share you know what hearing Ashley's story

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<v Speaker 1>was like for you?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Well, my boss at work had told me that

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<v Speaker 5>she had listened to the podcast and it was so

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<v Speaker 5>similar to my story that she shared it with me

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<v Speaker 5>and I went home and binged it that week. It

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<v Speaker 5>was just like, for the first time, I felt understood,

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<v Speaker 5>like I wasn't alone. I know Ashley probably realizes, like

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<v Speaker 5>in this situation, there's very few people you can talk

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<v Speaker 5>to who know what you're going through, and I just

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to reach out. Actually, I wanted to find

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<v Speaker 5>her because I just wanted to talk to her, like

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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted somebody that understood me and understood my situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, as you're telling me that, it's kind of getting

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<v Speaker 4>teary eyed, because I think when I first started out

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<v Speaker 4>on this journey, it was for the exact same reason.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I could be in the room with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>all the people that loved me and care about me,

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<v Speaker 4>and still feel really alone because nobody really knows.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it about Ashley's story that felt similar or

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<v Speaker 1>felt like you understood.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was after everything happened, you know, having

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<v Speaker 5>that anger towards my husband at the time for the

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<v Speaker 5>betrayal and for doing what he did. But also when

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<v Speaker 5>you go from loving someone one day to the next

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<v Speaker 5>day finding out all of these things, everybody thinks you're

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<v Speaker 5>just automatically supposed to just shut these feelings off. Your

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<v Speaker 5>love just doesn't magically go away, or does the memories

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<v Speaker 5>that you had with that person, And I felt shameful.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think when I heard in Ashley's story that

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<v Speaker 5>she still had those similar feelings too, it was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not abnormal for feeling this way and missing those

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<v Speaker 5>parts of my life.

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<v Speaker 4>That's been like a really hard thing for me to reconcile.

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<v Speaker 4>We did build a life with these men. They were

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<v Speaker 4>good fathers, they were good husbands, and we did have

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<v Speaker 4>really great times but then to have them also be

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<v Speaker 4>the perpetrator of these terrible things. For me to bring

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<v Speaker 4>those two together was insanely hard, but I had a

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<v Speaker 4>therapist tell me that it's possible to have had this

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<v Speaker 4>past life with Jason that was happy and good, and

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<v Speaker 4>Jason to be this good person and he is also

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<v Speaker 4>a monster. In the beginning stages of the podcast, I

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<v Speaker 4>was embarrassed, but I had made a vow to myself

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<v Speaker 4>that I was going to be one hundred percent truthful

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<v Speaker 4>with the whole story because I knew that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be the only one that felt these same things. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad that that was something that you were able

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<v Speaker 4>to connect with, because I knew people were going to

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<v Speaker 4>either love it or hate it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well that's my fear also, just like, oh gosh, what

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<v Speaker 5>are people going to think? And I think you can

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<v Speaker 5>very much compartmentalize those kinds of things in that moment.

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<v Speaker 5>You know of this is the person I know in

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<v Speaker 5>this box, this is the person he truly is. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's hard for someone who was on the outside to

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<v Speaker 5>see that and understand that that it just doesn't stop overnight,

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<v Speaker 5>and so you keep it quiet and you don't tell anyone,

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<v Speaker 5>And so therefore I just like say, I suffered in silence, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think people expect grief to be a linear process,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not. And what I've gravitated towards both of

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<v Speaker 1>your stories is that it's very real, and the struggles

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<v Speaker 1>and the things that you have to ask and question

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<v Speaker 1>is what I believe people relate to. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very real human experience and we're not hiding from any

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<v Speaker 1>of that. And so I applaud both of your ability

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<v Speaker 1>to be vulnerable and transparent. Stacey, do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>advice that you want to ask Ashley going through this experience.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. When everything happened, ours was very highly publicized, and

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<v Speaker 5>I shut everything down on social media for a while

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<v Speaker 5>because I was afraid people would try to reach out. So,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, just that kind of thing, like, have you

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<v Speaker 5>had any issues with that, with people trying to reach

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<v Speaker 5>out to you to say horrible things, not like what

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to reach out.

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<v Speaker 2>To you for.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, actually I did, surprisingly though. I was in a

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<v Speaker 4>social media support group for women going through divorce and

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<v Speaker 4>I had asked a question, nothing related to our story

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<v Speaker 4>or anything, and somebody posted links to the news article

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<v Speaker 4>and just said things like her husband's a pedophile. So

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<v Speaker 4>I did. I shut my social media down, started a

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<v Speaker 4>new one with just my family and close friends for me,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I had some of his family who didn't support him,

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<v Speaker 5>but yet wasn't ready to tell certain family members. So

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<v Speaker 5>it was kind of one of those things of like,

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<v Speaker 5>can you guys just not blast this all over social media?

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<v Speaker 5>Which I hadn't intended to anyways, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 5>on the news, but luckily we had moved back home

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<v Speaker 5>so we were far from that. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of feel the same way, like we had to

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<v Speaker 5>be quiet for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy, do you mind sharing with Ashley a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened to your family?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure? In summer of twenty twenty one. July of twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty one, we had Social Services show up at our house.

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<v Speaker 5>They basically just said that there had been a complaint filed.

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<v Speaker 5>So for the next three weeks, Social Services investigated us.

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<v Speaker 5>And at the end of the three weeks, I go

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<v Speaker 5>to work, our nanny calls and she's like, you need

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<v Speaker 5>to come home. So I pull in the driveway and

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<v Speaker 5>there's all these vans and SGVs and they're raiding my home.

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<v Speaker 5>I walk inside, I see my husband sitting at the

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<v Speaker 5>table with police officers around him, and they take me

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<v Speaker 5>downstairs and they proceed to tell me that for those

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<v Speaker 5>three weeks they had been investigating us, and they laid

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<v Speaker 5>out all these photos. So from there I ended up

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<v Speaker 5>making him leave the house.

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<v Speaker 4>So they didn't arrest him that day. No, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 5>This was July and he was not arrested till October.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>They told me that they wanted to build a big

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<v Speaker 5>enough case, because that was my question too, is like,

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<v Speaker 5>what are you guys waiting on? You know, what more

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<v Speaker 5>do you need? Right from there, my understanding is he

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<v Speaker 5>left the country pretty quick after that. He spent a

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<v Speaker 5>month over in Europe. He ended up being apprehended when

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<v Speaker 5>he came back that October of twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. Our timelines are pretty similar, really, yeah, Because Jason

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<v Speaker 4>was arrested on the twenty ninth of September twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, so he was like a month before. Justin

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<v Speaker 5>was wow.

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<v Speaker 4>I have so many questions, but I'm gonna I'll wait.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's so interesting because when Jen approached me

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<v Speaker 1>to tell her story, our goal was if we could

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<v Speaker 1>make one person feel less alone than we did our job,

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<v Speaker 1>and then through that season you found the podcast Ash

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<v Speaker 1>and we told your story, and then through Ashley's story, Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>you reached out to us. So I just think it's

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<v Speaker 1>so amazing that, you know, our little community has gone

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<v Speaker 1>from Jen to u Ash and now we have you, Stacy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so grateful that you guys trust us to

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<v Speaker 1>tell your story.

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<v Speaker 4>It's truly remarkable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I call you guys part of my tribe. Stacy, you're

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<v Speaker 4>part of it too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say it enough, Like we have to build

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<v Speaker 4>up so many people and bring light to this like

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<v Speaker 4>really ugly dark thing. Yeah, that is so prevalent.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Stacy, thank you so much for giving us your time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm this afternoon and I'll connect you guys so you

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<v Speaker 1>can continue to talk throughout this process.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, as you go, you have

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<v Speaker 4>questions or anything, you just go ahead and give me

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<v Speaker 4>a call and shait me a text.

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<v Speaker 5>It was so awesome to me too. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like we said, if it reaches you know a few

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<v Speaker 5>moms or people questioning things, it's worth it.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely you too, So hold on tight because here you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Whoo Okay, bye bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to our growing Betrayal community. If you missed

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Justin Rutherford, she was sure that she was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at her soulmate. They fell in love and life was perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>dark secrets. The man who had sworn an oath to

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<v Speaker 1>do no harm would go to great lengths, using any

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