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Speaker 1: Well from the inside with the Insiders a Monday YouTube

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Speaker 1: and podcast edition alongside Judy Battista, Ian Raport, Mike Garrafullo.

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Speaker 2: Who is uh, that's the best backdrop of the four

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Speaker 2: of us. I think that's a great mic.

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Speaker 3: That's real.

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Speaker 2: It's four and a half. However, many hours still kick

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Speaker 2: off here going on.

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Speaker 4: We are live from the South end zone of Lincoln

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Speaker 4: Financial Field. Here the Eagles home opener. It's been a

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Speaker 4: weird start to the season with the Friday game on

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Speaker 4: another continent, but now back home for the third straight year.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles are hosting Kirk Cousins in Week two on

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Speaker 4: Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 5: Just a weird scheduling quirk.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They face the Vikings the last two years and uh,

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Speaker 4: and now facing the Falcons in week two home on

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Speaker 4: Monday Night Football. Expect a ruckus atmosphere as there always is.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so all the folks out in the parking lot,

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Speaker 4: they've been added for quite some time at this point.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll tell you a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: the game later on, but let's get to a lot

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Speaker 2: of news around the NFL. And it starts out in

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Speaker 2: Carolina where earlier today the Panthers made a very big

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Speaker 2: organizational decision, specifically made by coach Dave Canalis, who is

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Speaker 2: benching the former number one overall draft pick Bryce Young

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Speaker 2: in favor of Andy Dalton, the veteran quarterback. This is

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Speaker 2: significant on a lot of different levels. Obviously, after looking

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Speaker 2: at the tape Judy Dave Canalis came to the conclusion

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Speaker 2: that they simply could not go on like this. He

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Speaker 2: said repeatedly in his press conference today that Dalton gives

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Speaker 2: them the best chance to win. But this is not

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Speaker 2: just a now type of situation. We're talking about a

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Speaker 2: guy that you gave up this much to go and get.

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Speaker 2: This is also a fairly significant indictment on where they

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Speaker 2: feel like the development of Bryce Young is at because

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Speaker 2: Dave Canallis was brought in with a big eye toward

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Speaker 2: get Bryce Young headed the right direction. Year one was

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Speaker 2: a mess on so many different levels. Here, let's get

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Speaker 2: the positivity going. Let's break them down mechanically. Let's start

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Speaker 2: over the first two games. It's not just the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing looked bad. They're trying to save this

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Speaker 2: season before it's over, but they're also making a pretty

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Speaker 2: strong statement about the reality that they might not have

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Speaker 2: their franchise quarterback for the future in the building.

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Speaker 6: I'm a little bit stunned. As poor as the play

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Speaker 4: Mike is, Yeah, we're at the Battle of Music here

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Speaker 4: tonight duty and you know it's always timed up perfectly.

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just because Canalis was hired to fix him.

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Speaker 6: It's two games in, so it's Canals basically saying I

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Speaker 6: can't do anything here. I mean, that's the message that

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Speaker 6: they think Bryce Young is so triful, irretrievably gone, that

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Speaker 6: they can't fix him at this point. I listened to

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Speaker 6: Dave Canalis's press conference where you talked about this just

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Speaker 6: a few minutes before we started recording, and there was

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Speaker 6: nothing about a long term plan for Bryce Young, Like,

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Speaker 6: is there a long term plan in Carolina for Bryce

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Speaker 6: Young now?

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Speaker 7: Or is this we're.

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Speaker 6: Rolling with Andy Dalton and then what happens. It's really

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Speaker 7: I hate to be positive guy, but I do find

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Speaker 7: myself being positive. Guys. Sometimes we'll do that lower third.

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Speaker 7: That's that's not very positive although reality. So it's like

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Speaker 7: when one time I took a picture of my driver's license,

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Speaker 7: I was not a good moment. I've been out the

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Speaker 7: night before. Anyway, It's a lot whatever. I'll tell you

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Speaker 7: what I think about. I think about Jordan Love and

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Speaker 7: I think about Sam Donald. Sam Donald has looked very

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Speaker 7: very good. Jordan Love, though injured, has looked very very good.

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Speaker 7: Those guys, both of them took a while to live

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Speaker 7: up to the billing that they had as first round picks.

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Speaker 7: Sam Darnold took many teams some really good coaching from

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Speaker 7: the Carolina Panthers benching Bryce Young. That is definitely the story,

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Speaker 7: like regular decent football early in the season. It's bad.

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Speaker 7: It's all bad. Does sound to me like the right

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Speaker 7: is it because we've seen too many other examples of

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Speaker 5: He might have to not suck elsewhere. We'll see about that,

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Speaker 5: We'll see about the arc of his career.

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Speaker 4: But I mean there's an element of Dave Canalis realizing

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Speaker 4: have been some quick hooks down there in Carolina when

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Speaker 4: don't know that it was made. I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 5: Things looked late last year.

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Speaker 4: He looks worse. Bryce Young looks worse than he did

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Speaker 4: last year. That's a problem. He looks lost in a

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Speaker 4: lot of ways. If this winds up being a reset

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Speaker 4: for him, fine, If it winds up being Andy Dalton

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Speaker 4: for the rest of the year. Fine, then you figure

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Speaker 4: It's it's kind of a not that there's no downside here,

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Speaker 7: We've seen the downside.

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Speaker 4: It's bad, yeah, and maybe watching it standing on the side,

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Speaker 4: watching how it's done, like we talked about, could be

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Speaker 2: Him and Dave Callis went home after the game, after

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Speaker 2: went back, he watched the tape and it came in

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Speaker 2: the billing today. He had a variety of conversations before

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Speaker 2: about the decision he would made. I always think for

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Speaker 2: and how hard that is if you're going in and saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know in your heart that's not the case, because

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Speaker 3: And they know that's not the all.

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Speaker 7: No, they always know.

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Speaker 2: It's a difficult type of a situation and a decision

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Speaker 2: in recent years that have moved on from their highly

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty one class, Trey Lance iss on new team,

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Speaker 2: In other words, while there is something to be said

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Speaker 2: for patients, more and more, and I think this is

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Speaker 2: teams don't want to wait too long. It's like the

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Speaker 2: a mistake too soon than too late. Don't keep going

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Speaker 2: down that road. And again it's early here. Who knows

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Speaker 2: something can happen to Andy Dalton this week? And Bryce

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Speaker 3: Have time to wait a round. We don't have time.

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Speaker 3: There's very few.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones who'll get a second contract because hey, we

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Speaker 2: still it's been six years, but we were still trying

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Speaker 2: And we also, let's not overlook this, have the reality

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Speaker 6: All of that, yes, I think the part about maintaining

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Speaker 6: going to continue with Bryce Young when it is clear

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Speaker 6: he has regressed, he's worse than he was last year.

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Speaker 6: How can you stand up there and say he gives

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Speaker 6: right there? Who I mean, Andy Dalton is not Joe Montana,

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Speaker 6: And we've also seen that happen in other places too,

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Speaker 6: an awful lot of pressure in Carolina. As you said,

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Speaker 6: there's an awful lot of tension in Carolina to get

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Speaker 7: I didn't mean to cut you off and just real

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Speaker 7: I think about what you guys are talking about now

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Speaker 7: Like it's hard to maintain credibility to do that. I

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Speaker 6: Well, Mike Tom's got way more credibility.

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Speaker 7: Let's be on No, No, I agree, he.

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Speaker 3: Can do what he wants.

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Speaker 2: In other quarterback news, obviously we spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: He's still seen specialists at this point, Mike, And again,

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Speaker 2: there was obviously a very visceral reaction that people have

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Speaker 4: So you're going to get as much as you can

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Speaker 4: We've seen this stuff before, So the fact that he's

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Speaker 3: You hope you're right.

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Speaker 7: There's two coughs.

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Speaker 3: You're went away from striking out and you have to

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Speaker 7: Both of my both of my kids have had pneumonia

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Speaker 6: He can decide what he wants to do with his future,

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Speaker 6: And I just wish everybody would back off and that's right.

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Speaker 6: while they're also working on everything. As he said, great

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Speaker 6: teams who are up a score and then block a

439
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Speaker 6: punt would go in for a touchdown to sort of

440
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Speaker 6: salt the game away. They are not there yet, but

441
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Speaker 6: they did close out you know, a mediocre team and

442
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Speaker 6: that's good enough for now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I would say, first of all, the more

444
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Speaker 7: I look at the landscape of the league, the more

445
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Speaker 7: I think that the only thing you really need to

446
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 7: do the first like four weeks of the season is

447
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Speaker 7: kind of to scrape a win or two together and

448
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Speaker 7: then like figure it out. And either you figured out

449
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Speaker 7: or you don't, like not something like team like the Panthers,

450
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Speaker 7: but like the Tennessee Titans. Actually, for example, I played

451
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Speaker 7: in two type games, should have won at least one,

452
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 7: had a couple of ridiculous mistakes in each each of

453
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Speaker 7: them actually, and that kind of like derailed things and

454
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Speaker 7: did not figure out a way to win. The Jets

455
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Speaker 7: in both with some flashes one to one, lost one

456
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Speaker 7: and now we're kind of okay. And so like the

457
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Speaker 7: quarterback play because nobody plays in the preseason and training

458
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Speaker 7: campus so limited is kind of it, and it's just

459
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Speaker 7: like who can somehow scrape together win and get to

460
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Speaker 7: October having some sort of shot. And I think like Rogers,

461
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Speaker 7: for whatever reason, does a great job in explaining everything

462
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Speaker 7: that's on his mind and saying what a lot of

463
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Speaker 7: people would not really say, and like that's really what

464
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Speaker 7: it is, is figure out a way to somehow survive

465
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Speaker 7: into you become a good enough team. I would say

466
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Speaker 7: that the way that the Jets have sort of I mean,

467
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Speaker 7: it's not just run the ball, it's gotten the running

468
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Speaker 7: backs involved, like Rayl Allen could be pretty good. Like

469
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Speaker 7: they There's been some flashes that like, Okay, this team

470
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Speaker 7: could absolutely be the team that you think. And all

471
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Speaker 7: the resources they spent on the offensive line, I was like,

472
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Speaker 7: these guys can like really play like Tyrn Smith is awesome.

473
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Speaker 7: And that was a good reminder as well.

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Speaker 4: Hear that that's the sound of an eagle. He's screeching

475
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: over there. It's not Challenger. I think Challenger retired.

476
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Speaker 5: What's the name of this eagle?

477
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Speaker 7: Challenger retired?

478
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Speaker 3: I feel is on a different show. He looks different.

479
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Speaker 7: He's the show.

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Speaker 4: But Lincoln, we've done that before. We've done that before.

481
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Speaker 4: So I have the Jets on Thursday night. You want

482
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Speaker 4: to talk about a short week, how about Monday nights?

483
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Speaker 4: Still in week two, already looking forward to week three.

484
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Speaker 4: Spoke to Morgan Moses, Jets offensive tackle keep it down.

485
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Speaker 4: Lincoln uh spoke to Morgan Moses, Jets offensive tackle earlier

486
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Speaker 4: today about about the game and about the slow start, Judy,

487
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Speaker 4: you talked about the you know, having the confidence like

488
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Speaker 4: Aaron's got the ball.

489
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Speaker 5: That's one part of it. The other part of it.

490
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Speaker 4: Is that he's in the huddle telling them let's keep

491
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Speaker 4: plugging away, let's stay at it. These two yard runs

492
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Speaker 4: are going to become five ten yard runs. I think

493
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Speaker 4: that a thirty yard run eventually at some point. So

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Speaker 4: just just the confidence a guy that has been through it,

495
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Speaker 4: been able to uh, has seen it before, and telling

496
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Speaker 4: them here's some music.

497
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Speaker 5: Do it from the field.

498
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Speaker 7: They said.

499
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Speaker 5: It'll be great ambiance, they said, But just having.

500
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Speaker 7: Him support this, by the way, it's just having him.

501
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Speaker 4: Keep them on that level, keep them confident when things

502
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Speaker 4: were not going well, when it could have been really

503
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Speaker 4: off the rails.

504
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Speaker 5: That'll do it for me.

505
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Speaker 6: Braylan Allen called him the conductor, like that's how and listen,

506
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's even giving Robert Salah peace of mind.

507
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Speaker 6: So it's, you know.

508
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Speaker 2: Was Allen's breakout, Like, dude, he tried the Jets closer

509
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Speaker 2: than I do. Was that is out a left field

510
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Speaker 2: to have that type of game in week two, as

511
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Speaker 2: it felt like watching an unfold on TV.

512
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Speaker 6: Well, he barely had a role in run one, so

513
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Speaker 6: you know, okay, So then all of a sudden, and

514
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Speaker 6: not only did he have a rule, but the holes

515
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Speaker 6: and this is a credit to the offensive point, but

516
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 6: like the holes were as he put it on one

517
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Speaker 6: of the runs, his nana could have run through it,

518
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Speaker 6: so like everything just opened up. And then brisall we

519
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 6: haven't even talked about him, but he was great, and

520
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 6: like you know that touchdown when he just went right

521
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Speaker 6: past a linebacker, it was I mean, yes, they've they've

522
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Speaker 6: got the running backs involved, and that's really important.

523
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Speaker 2: So I get a little bit of the same vibe

524
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Speaker 2: too from the Titans right now that I did with

525
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Speaker 2: the Dan Campbell Lions early on, where you can see

526
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Speaker 2: that they're in these games and they really have no

527
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Speaker 2: clue how to finish them, like how to win them.

528
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Speaker 3: But you can see the cultures.

529
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Speaker 2: Starting to turn here obviously as not to make one

530
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Speaker 2: or two backbreaking errors in the course story game. But

531
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Speaker 2: Levis also does a lot of good things, but a

532
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: lot of good things on tape through those games.

533
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Speaker 3: You just see over and over the ones they get

534
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Speaker 3: the sideline reaction.

535
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Speaker 7: So they've got a game like this, it seems sorry,

536
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Speaker 7: it seems like This draft for the Titans is going

537
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Speaker 7: to be really good too.

538
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Speaker 2: That's what they got a bank on. They did a

539
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Speaker 2: lot in free agency as well. But this week they've

540
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Speaker 2: got a Packers team coming in. Quite possibly we'll face

541
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Speaker 2: them with one of their old quarterbacks, Malik Willis, who

542
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Speaker 2: three weeks ago was traded from ten to Green Bay.

543
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Speaker 3: The idea was, hey, he's gonna.

544
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Speaker 2: Back up Jordan Love, and he's got a lot of

545
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: rod talent, big arm, great kid. We'll see what happens.

546
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: He's thrust into action in week one, and Mike I

547
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: was struck by just the way that they approached us

548
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Speaker 2: through the week, because when Matt Lafleur is saying over

549
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Speaker 2: and over again, hey, we're giving Jordan Love a chance,

550
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Speaker 2: and you know I'm not gonna close the door. That

551
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: was real from everything I've been told, and I fully

552
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Speaker 2: anticipate they're gonna do the same thing this week. If

553
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Speaker 2: Jordan Love wakes up on Friday or Saturday and goes, hey,

554
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Speaker 2: I think I can play, he's gonna play. But Matt

555
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Lafleur spent the week pumping up Malik Willis, as we

556
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Speaker 2: talked about on game day morning yesterday, just filling them

557
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Speaker 2: with confidence.

558
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Speaker 3: Hey we can do this.

559
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Speaker 2: And he went in the team meeting on Saturday night

560
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Speaker 2: and said in front of the entire room, all players,

561
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Speaker 2: all the coaches, blik, everybody in this room has your

562
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Speaker 2: bleeping back. The message was just complimentary football defense, make

563
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Speaker 2: a play, special teams, make a play, and Milike Willis

564
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: actually made a couple of plays to help him win two.

565
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Speaker 2: He didn't throw the ball with the center vomited on it.

566
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Speaker 2: But other than that, other people.

567
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Speaker 5: Take a delay a game, Like.

568
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Speaker 3: Come on, it was a half second. I know he did.

569
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, snap like it was exact.

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Speaker 7: If you're Melik, are you just so you can talk

571
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Speaker 7: about like decision making or whatever, but Malik's split second

572
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Speaker 7: decision making to be like, all right, this.

573
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Speaker 3: Is bomb's gonna happen.

574
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Speaker 7: If I throw this, it could go sideways. I'm just

575
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Speaker 7: gonna you know, you took actually took a pretty big

576
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Speaker 7: hit on that play. Like I thought that was really

577
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 7: savage by him, not one not to just throw it,

578
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 7: to not to throw up because sometimes one person throws up.

579
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Speaker 3: And then why.

580
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Speaker 4: Yeah tell you what four years ago everybody around that

581
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Speaker 4: football would have been out for ten days.

582
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Speaker 5: Okay, it's true.

583
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Speaker 7: Would have been a big story, would have been a

584
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Speaker 7: big story.

585
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it would have been an extremely big story. Or

586
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: or Josh Myers would have been in the protocols for

587
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: a while. But back to the point, Matt Lafleur, who

588
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: remains this might being the winningness coach over his first

589
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: few seasons in Packers' history, like ahead of Lombardi, ahead

590
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: of Mike McCarthy. Is so underrated still as a coach

591
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: that most people don't pronounce his name correctly in the media.

592
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: That was a masterclass in coaching and finding a way. Hey,

593
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: we got to play a different style, we might have

594
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: to play ugly. We're going to figure out a way

595
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Speaker 2: to win. And they got a big win over a

596
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Speaker 2: solid Colt steam in their home opener.

597
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Speaker 4: I had friends asking, we can talk about this because

598
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Speaker 4: we show the lines all the time on NFL network, Well,

599
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Speaker 4: why aren't the Colts favored by more three two and

600
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Speaker 4: a half point favorite? I said, you got a really

601
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: good coach, they're playing at home. You've got an unscouted

602
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: quarterback basically because nobody had seen him do anything really

603
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: with the Packers because of the trade so late in

604
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Speaker 4: the process. So you've got the element of surprise and

605
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: the and I mean you talk about these coaches in

606
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: this league, the unknown scares them more than anything else.

607
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: They they'd much rather deal with what they can see

608
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: and and and game plan for and prepare for. So

609
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: that was certainly an element at play here. And you're right, Tom,

610
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: I mean we talked about it last week. I knew

611
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: the defense was certainly gonna be motivated, uh and saying, hey,

612
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: we know what the situation is on the other side

613
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: of the football.

614
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Speaker 5: It's not gonna be like Week one.

615
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be issued out, it's gonna be a tighter,

616
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: low scoring game.

617
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 5: We got to give this guy a chance.

618
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: For Matt Lafleur to put the the exclamation point on

619
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Speaker 4: that in his Saturday night speech, I thought was great.

620
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, so I texted Tom during the during

621
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Speaker 7: the game and it was literally just like, Malafor is

622
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Speaker 7: really good, and you're right, like, I don't maybe because

623
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Speaker 7: he's like our age and he's sort of a little

624
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Speaker 7: I don't. I don't really know why. He's had great

625
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 7: quarterbacks that has you know, maybe led to it, I

626
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 7: don't know, but definitely underrated. I can't imagine he's gotten

627
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 7: any votes for Coach of the Year. I mean, I'm

628
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 7: sure he maybe has, but I doubt it.

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Speaker 3: We got vote, he got votes. You get a vote.

630
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Speaker 7: But like and like, you know, Jordan Love, this year

631
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 7: will be really good and people will be like, well,

632
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 7: he's got Jordan Love. Never mind the fact that he's

633
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 7: like helped Jordan Love become Jordan Love. This was perfect.

634
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 7: It was so good. It was Malik Willis, who, like

635
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 7: I think most people thought, was just done, like gonna

636
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 7: go to green Bay, gonna be back up for a year,

637
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 7: will be out of the league, and that's it. Like

638
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 7: it was such a perfect game plan. It was everything

639
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 7: Milieu Willis could do. They kept some stuff in their

640
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 7: like you know, Holster or whatever for next week. There's

641
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 7: a lot that they didn't use because they didn't need you.

642
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 7: They just ran the heck out of the ball. Josh

643
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 7: Jacobs was really good, like Josh Jacobs of old. I

644
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 7: thought it was the perfect game plan. Obviously, if you're

645
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 7: a colts person, like this is pretty demoralizing, like pretty bad,

646
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 7: pretty bad, but great for green Bay. An excellent coaching

647
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 7: all round.

648
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Speaker 2: The uh you mentioned the Coach of the year ballading,

649
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: so Kevin O'Connell is the guy who has not gotten

650
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: a Coach of the Year vote. He got zero votes

651
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two when he made the playoffs with

652
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: the Vikings won all those one score games. The winner

653
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: of the Coach of the Year that year, Judy was

654
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Brian Dabele, who of course took the Giants to the

655
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: playoffs beat O'Connell's Vikings. And I bring up O'Connell in the

656
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: large part because what he's doing with Sam Darnold right

657
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: now is pretty impressive too. Donald even having the catastrophic

658
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: mistakes I always want got him. He threw a terrible

659
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: interception in that game, but then came back. That's part

660
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: of coaching, too, is how you respond to those mistakes.

661
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: But Judy, Brian Dable, after week one was asked, are

662
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: you going to venture quarterback?

663
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: After week two is asked, are you afraid you're going

664
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Speaker 3: to lose your job.

665
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: I know that everything moves fast in New York and

666
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: this is kind of the news cycle here, But in

667
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: watching that game, I mean, Daniel Jones plays better.

668
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: There's no question he played better than he did in

669
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: Week one.

670
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Speaker 2: They did score several touchdowns, they got a kicker issue,

671
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: and they got to play to that a little bit.

672
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Here we seem to be getting out ahead of ourselves,

673
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: though I also wonder stand the frustration of everything we've

674
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: seen from the Giants of the past season plus two games.

675
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's probably a little bit early to

676
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 6: ask about how he feels about his job security. But

677
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: yesterday was not great. Daniel Jones did play better and

678
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: they got the ball to Malite Neighbors, who looks great

679
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 6: except for that fourth quarter drop, which you know was

680
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: that and he looks crestfallen by it, but he looked.

681
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 6: He looks phenomenal and promising, and that's something for Giants fans.

682
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: To hold on to.

683
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 6: It's kind of convoluted, but like there were roster management

684
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 6: issues with Graham Gano, the kicker who was put on

685
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: the injury report on Saturday with a groin strain, and

686
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 6: they did not elevate a kicker from the practice squad.

687
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 6: They thought Gano would be okay. Ganau had a really

688
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 6: rocky warm up before the game, looked so uncomfortable that

689
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 6: he abandoned his warm up and went into the locker

690
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 6: room to get retaped. And then they had him kick

691
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 6: off as he does, and there's a big kickoff return

692
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 6: and so he goes running after you know, the returner

693
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 6: as you would as a professional athlete, and hurts his

694
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 6: hamstring to the point where he can't play anymore. And

695
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 6: so now they are left without a kicker in a

696
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: very tight game, and they lost because they couldn't kick

697
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 6: extra points and as it turns out, when they tried

698
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 6: to two point conversions, they couldn't get those either.

699
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: So it was you're saying, I'm laughing because it took

700
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: me a minute to realize Mike was frozen and that

701
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: the guy was behind him didn't just freeze like. So

702
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: it was.

703
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 6: It was bad, and he had to answer questions about

704
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 6: you know, roster management, like why didn't you elevate a kicker,

705
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 6: and so it, uh, yeah, it was ugly, and you know,

706
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 6: I mean, look at it's starting. And the worst part

707
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: is if you're at the Giants now, I mean you're

708
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 6: looking at the schedule and you've got you've got to

709
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 6: get some winsier because she've got to quiet things down.

710
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 6: And where are those wins coming from?

711
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, well at Cleveland, back home on a Thursday night

712
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: against the Cowboys.

713
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: You want to talk about like situation.

714
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: They can get really ugly on a national stage, and

715
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 4: then their next home game is another nationally televised night

716
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: game against the Bengals on a Saturday night, which you

717
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 4: could also get ugly. Yeah, it's and I know where

718
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: we brought it up last week about the injury guarantee

719
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: for Daniel Jones next season. We've seen a number of

720
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: quarterbacks who have been benched the year before that when

721
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: you decide to move on from a guy because you

722
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: don't want that to.

723
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: Be to trigger with an injury and then have to

724
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 5: deal with that the following year. So we're not there yet.

725
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: He did play better, you know, if they have a kicker, see,

726
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: and that's why they're being hammered for that. But if

727
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: they have a kicker, they win that game. Now they're

728
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: one in one and now things feel a little bit different. Right,

729
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: That's how thin the line is.

730
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 6: But that's that's the problem, right, The margin is so

731
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 6: thin for the I answer the question is why did

732
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 6: you go into a game with a kicker who is

733
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 6: not one hundred percent? You have to protect yourself when

734
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 6: you're gonna win by such small margins.

735
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's it's not a pretty stretch coming up.

736
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 4: I would think somewhere. I mean, depending on the level

737
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: of play. I would think it's somewhere around the middle

738
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 4: of the season. And they're not seriously considering benching Daniel

739
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: Jones at this point.

740
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 5: They're not.

741
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I just had multiple conversations lead you can

742
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: tell when it's under consideration it's not. I would say

743
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: if he plays middling football somewhere around the middle of

744
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: the season, he plays terribly, it will come quicker. But

745
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: right now he certainly at least bought himself a little

746
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 4: bit more time with how he played the other day.

747
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 7: You know, it's the Uh, this is so frustrating because

748
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 7: you're right, like, they played better, Daniel Jones played better.

749
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 7: I was watching the game and I'm kind of like,

750
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 7: all right, like this this is really what they needed

751
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 7: to see from Daniel Jones. And then they still lose

752
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 7: because of something that was easily avoidable and is more

753
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 7: like either coaching or organizational And I don't know how

754
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 7: to like rectify that and come to grips with the

755
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 7: except somebody, some people's made some very bad decisions that

756
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 7: hurt them. Here's what I would say, Just like last

757
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 7: week we talked about the Daniel Jones decisions. These things

758
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 7: will haunt you. They you know, and they snowball and

759
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 7: so like they're asking Dave Ball about his job security

760
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 7: after two games, like they got to win some games

761
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 7: otherwise it's going to get really, really loud and maybe

762
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 7: uncontrollably loud.

763
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also you have to go back

764
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: to why is Daniel Jones the quarterback? Why is Saquon

765
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: Barkley an eaglon? And all goes back to Saquon turning

766
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: down a bunch of money before he would have hit

767
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: free agency. They had to they could only apply one

768
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: tag to the two of them when Saquon turned it down.

769
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: They weren't going to let Saquon just walk, so they

770
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: end up tagging him, and then that gave Daniel Jones

771
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: all the leverage to work out a deal that you know,

772
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: quite frankly, went beyond anything the Giants would have been

773
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: willing to do.

774
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: I mean, think about.

775
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: This, it's it's revisionist history. But if you go back

776
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: and time, Sequon takes that deal, which Ian correct me

777
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. It was like in the thirteen million

778
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: Ragne somewhere around there, like it.

779
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 7: Was a there's team up up to thirteen to five.

780
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: I think it is with the deal, right, Okay, so

781
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: a deal that's not that far off of what he

782
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: end up doing the e Let's say he takes that

783
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: in March of twenty or February of twenty twenty three,

784
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: whatever it was, right before the tag deadline. Daniel Jones

785
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: then gets franchise tag. Let's say everything plays out exactly

786
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: the same for Daniel Jones. You still got Saquon this year.

787
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: You probably draft a cornerback up high, and it's a

788
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: different reset. Like, I don't want to reduce everything to

789
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: luck Judy, but there are these like butterfly effect moments

790
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: where decisions that aren't even internal for an organization like

791
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: the Giants end up having this total impact across a

792
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: lot of different areas.

793
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I would just wrap this up by saying, like,

794
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 6: I mean, look back, and I think we've all said

795
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 6: this that, like maybe the worst thing that happened to

796
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 6: them as a franchise was that they had that good

797
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 6: year in twenty twenty two and you thought, oh, everything

798
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 6: is solid, right, They've solved the Daniel Jones thing. They're

799
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 6: going to go forward, They're going to keep ticking, and

800
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 6: so they kept going with what they were doing, and

801
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 6: of course it wasn't solid. We're back with more insiders

802
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 6: coming up next.

803
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns got in the win column going down

804
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: to Jacksonville on a soggy day on Sunday. There was

805
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: rain in the forecast. It absolutely came down. It was

806
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: an ugly, kind of weird game. But I feel like

807
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: almost everything for the Browns over the past couple of

808
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: years has been find ways to win in unusual types

809
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: of fashions. That's what they were able to do. It

810
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: follows you're going to say ugly and weird. They went

811
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: pretty sometimes they put points in some games, but then

812
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, when you're on your fifth quarterback at times,

813
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: you know things go a little bit Sadly, it's called

814
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: the first quarterback. Right now, it's Toshaan Watson. Once again,

815
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: the Browns had to go through a week where we're

816
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: talking about everything regarding their quarterback has nothing to do

817
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: with football. The Shawn Watson hused in a new civil

818
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: lawsuit last week filed in Texas, of sexual assault while

819
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: on a date four years ago. It's a civil matter.

820
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: There are no.

821
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: Criminal charges the NFL is investigating, but the league has

822
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: no plans to put Watson on the Commissioner's example list,

823
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: which means he remains eligible while the civil case plays out.

824
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: In terms of football, and I was told Watson was

825
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: locked in and focused in the meetings, he had a

826
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: good week of preparation. It seems like you played better

827
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: in that game, though, you know, certainly not perfect, certainly

828
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: not probably what Browns fans were envisioning when they acquired

829
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: him a couple of years ago. Here, but once again,

830
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: you have this kind of anvil hanging over the Browns organization,

831
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: one that, let's be honest, they placed there themselves by

832
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: doing what they did to get to Sean Watson into

833
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: the building here. I don't get the sense that this

834
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: is a week by week are we going to have them?

835
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 3: Are we not? This is probably all going to take

836
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 3: a while here. It's just it's another situation.

837
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: Where as much as Kevin Stefanski going all the way

838
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty when he got there in the

839
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: COVID season led with the playoffs, nothing ever, just seems

840
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: like a normal week for the Cleveland Browns.

841
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 7: No, and I mean to me, Deshaun Watson is under

842
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 7: contract for two more years after this year. It's all

843
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 7: fully guaranteed. To even have the conversation of to even

844
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 7: have the conversation of benching him seems wild to me.

845
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 7: Also consider the fact it's an excuse, but whatever. He

846
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 7: doesn't have two of us starting tackles, and the offensive

847
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 7: line has been rough except for one player, basically for

848
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 7: the first little bit, Deshaun Watson. I do not believe,

849
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 7: based on my eyeballs and what I know, is going

850
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 7: to be a bad football player. I think he's going

851
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 7: to get better. I think with a new coordinator, I

852
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 7: think it's all going to get better. The whole offense

853
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 7: was bad, honestly Week one, like receivers running wrong, routes,

854
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 7: like depth was weird, offensive line was not good. Running

855
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 7: backs for Deshaun Watson certainly wasn't good. It's going to

856
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 7: get better. And their defense is so good and so

857
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 7: disruptive and makes teams play so ugly that Deshaun Watson

858
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 7: could just be fine for a little while. I think

859
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 7: they're gonna be okay football wise. The other part is

860
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 7: you're right. I do believe the case on the NFL's

861
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 7: review of it now that by Lisa Frio is going

862
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 7: to take a long time. They all take a long time.

863
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 7: But what I would say, Judy is, at least from

864
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 7: a financial standpoint, people talk and there's been a lot

865
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 7: of conversation about them avoiding his guarantees, it is borderline impossible.

866
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 7: I'm not saying it could never happen, but there would

867
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 7: have to be something absolutely substantial and new for them

868
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 7: to avoid his guarantees, something that stops him from practicing,

869
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 7: stops him from playing, something he did not disclose, that

870
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 7: is new information that can be proven in a way

871
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 7: that results in NFL discipline. That is possible, but it

872
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 7: is a lot and Judy, I would say unlike.

873
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 6: It seems unlikely because I mean they've they made the

874
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 6: decision to acquire him in the first place, knowing that

875
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 6: all of this stuff was out there and that a

876
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 6: suspension was coming. So if they were comfortable with that financially,

877
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 6: on football terms, morally, what is it that would upset

878
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 6: the Apple card at this point in any of those ways.

879
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 6: There's the money is sunk, so forget about that part.

880
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 6: The money sunk. They you know, the draft picks are sunk.

881
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 6: Forget that part. So I mean, what is it that

882
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 6: could possibly get them to a point where they were

883
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 6: saying we'd seen enough. If they hadn't already seen enough,

884
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 6: can't imagine it.

885
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: No, I can't imagine we're going to be there anytime soon.

886
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: So the hope is you get him playing as well

887
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: as you possibly can, get his confidence up. I mean,

888
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 4: I don't tread lightly on this stuff because the whole

889
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: you know, rallying around Deshaun Watson was a storyline the

890
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 4: last couple of days, and it made some people uncomfortable,

891
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 4: which I can understand. But it just when all this

892
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: stuff seems to bubble up with Deshan Watson, you know,

893
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: some some people athletically thrive from it, right Like this

894
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 4: feeling of the world is against me and all this

895
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: whatever has to happen. Doesn't seem like it works that

896
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: way with him, right Like, it doesn't seem like he

897
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 4: uses that as fuel or something like that. It just

898
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 4: he needs to have this confidence instilled from from elsewhere.

899
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 5: So I just.

900
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: You wonder where that's going to come from, especially with

901
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: this this latest situation being brought up.

902
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: Well, and the reality still is, you know, doing twenty

903
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: one and twenty three, so over three seasons he played

904
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: twelve games total. There's just not a long track record

905
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: of players missing that much time, particularly quarterback and coming

906
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: back and being effective. And that's not the discount, you know,

907
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: all the other stuff involved here. It's just a reality

908
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: that whether it's for injuries or something else.

909
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean, the JK. Dobbins of the world are few

910
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: and far between, and JK. Dobbins, by the way, has

911
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: had like pretty straightforward injuries. Being the reasons that he's

912
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: missed time. You know, he's taken some mileage off his legs.

913
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: He's a running back, you know, quarterback, it's feel, it's

914
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: rhythm and timing in tempo.

915
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: You haven't necessarily sensed that. And so the implication seems

916
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: to be, well, the Browns are just looking for a

917
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: reason to get out of his contract. You know, if

918
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: they get the opportunity, they're gonna avoid the guarantees. To

919
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: Ian's point about how difficult this is to avoid the guarantees,

920
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: first of all, there's something put into the ether yesterday

921
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 3: that ended up being corrected. But saying like the Browns

922
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: secretly removed language from the contract it would let them

923
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: void it. There was never there was language in the

924
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: original Brown's contract. In twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three,

925
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: that protected Deshaun Watson from voids because remember when they

926
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: acquired him, you go up three first round picks and

927
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: gave him a two hundred thirty million dollars fully guaranteed contract.

928
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: They didn't know what the discipline was going to be

929
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: and they didn't know when it was coming. So effectively,

930
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: you indemnify him in twenty twenty two and twenty three

931
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: because in turn, that's where the suspension was going to

932
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: take place in judy. To your point, they had come

933
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: to terms with this ethically and otherwise they were going

934
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: to say, Okay, we're going to get through this initial

935
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: thing and then we're going to get on the other

936
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: side of it. There was never any contemplation that there

937
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: could be something additional in twenty twenty four to the

938
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: event that then people have made up in their minds, well,

939
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: they must have known there was something else coming down,

940
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: and then they took off this language. They paid him

941
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: like a forty five million dollars signing bonus under restructure

942
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: last month. They already paid him, so.

943
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Even if they somehow got out of the money this year,

944
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: they wouldn't really save anything because he's not making any

945
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: base sellery, all of which is to say, we'll see

946
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 2: where we're at in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.

947
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: We never want to reduce serious allegations of sexual misconduct

948
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: to football terms to the extent that we're talking about,

949
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, avoiding a contract over this. It is something

950
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: that's it's a lot more complicated than saying, oh, a

951
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: civil lawsuit was filed. Now that contract is null and void.

952
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: Let's turn the page somewhere else in the AFC North.

953
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: Because Jamar Chase has had himself a month, He's got

954
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: himself an offseason, He's had a lot of stuff going on.

955
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: He pulled in and then coming back and holding in

956
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: and coming back and holding in and walking out and

957
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: coming back and everything else. Doesn't really make clear until

958
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: the day of the game of Week one that he's

959
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: going to be on the field. They lose that initial game,

960
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 2: did not look like themselves. Two, they come out there

961
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: in a game. Ultimately, this did not impact the ultimate result.

962
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: But Jamar Chase picks up an unsports man like conduct

963
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: penalty for using abusive language toward referee Alex Camp. He's

964
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: probably gonna get fined for it. He frankly was like

965
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: it appeared he was pretty getting pretty close to being

966
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: ejected Mike in that game. You watch that guy's got

967
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: ten catches for ninety eight yards and no touchdowns. There's

968
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: definitely something at play here with Jamar Chase that's unresolved

969
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: in his mind. I'll just be interested to see over

970
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: the next month here does he kind of get it

971
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: together and does that team come together or does the

972
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: entire contract hold in so kind of end up being

973
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: this cloud over the Bengals season.

974
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 7: I don't know.

975
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 4: I see, this is the hard part, right to say, oh,

976
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: he said what he said toward the official because the.

977
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: Bengals won't give him a contract, right Like I that's

978
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 5: the hard part of this.

979
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: I do know that leading up to the game, there

980
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: was an effort to make sure that his energy was positive,

981
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 4: and they felt like he did have a better week

982
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: and the team had a better week as a whole

983
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: in the offense had a better practice week. For whatever reason,

984
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: his energy bubbled over at that point. And if you're

985
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: the Bengals, do you say, Okay, do we need to

986
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: revisit this thing and make a concerted effort to try

987
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: to get this done to make sure his head is

988
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 4: on right so we can you know have the best

989
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four season as a team as possible. It's

990
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: gonna take some work if they decide to go that

991
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: route to get to that point. It sounds like because

992
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 4: it didn't end on the best note. It's not like, oh,

993
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: you know what, we were close, we gave it our

994
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: best shot. No, it doesn't sound that way at all.

995
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: So if that is what's causing him to react the

996
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 4: way that he did, then I would say these sides

997
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: have to do a better job of having some communication

998
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: or at least make him understand where they're coming from,

999
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: and hey, this is something we still hope to get

1000
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: done after the season.

1001
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 5: If that's gonna wind up in the.

1002
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 7: Case this, Zach Taylor has just work cut out for.

1003
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 7: These contract situations are extremely challenging, and I think anyone

1004
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 7: who's negotiated a contract on any level can say all

1005
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 7: they want it's not personal, it's just business. And I

1006
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 7: think the way the Bengals do business is different from

1007
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 7: a lot of teams, and I know for sure it

1008
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 7: is not personal. It is just business. I also know

1009
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 7: that it is almost impossible to keep it from being personal,

1010
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 7: and like Jamar Chase to go out there and be

1011
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 7: just regular, okay, didn't get a contract. It's fine, like

1012
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 7: that's hard.

1013
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, let's be careful with words here,

1014
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: because words matter when you say didn't get a contract.

1015
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: The Bengals made a run at this. The Bengals took

1016
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: their shred the issue at the end. It was not

1017
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: about and the instep and if I'm inaccurate or out

1018
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: of line in any of this. It was not about

1019
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: the average per year. It was not about like the

1020
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: raw numbers that we talk about with contracts. It was

1021
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: very much about things like cash flow and structure, which

1022
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: if you've paid attention.

1023
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: To how the Bengals have done every non quarterback contract forever, it's.

1024
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: Always the same deal. It's a lumpsum signing bonus in

1025
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: year one. It is a roster bonus in year two.

1026
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: That's not guaranteed, but it comes in like March, so

1027
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: you know you're collecting that they paid you all that

1028
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: money in year one and.

1029
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: There's no future guarantees.

1030
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: There's only a few teams that structure contracts this way,

1031
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: but anybody negotiating with the Bengals knows.

1032
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 6: This is it.

1033
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: Unless you're Burrows.

1034
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: You the quarterback, and those contracts are just different for everybody.

1035
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: The spewers have the same policy. Well you do a

1036
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: sort of the historically t J. Watt and I think,

1037
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 2: so this is the argument an issue, right, like, if

1038
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: you're thinking you're going to break the structure for me,

1039
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: they said, no, we're not, and here we are. But

1040
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't hey, we're gonna give you a contract site

1041
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 2: we're not. It was he chose not to take their

1042
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: best offer, and that's why we are where we are.

1043
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 4: Right.

1044
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 7: No, I agree. And so when I say didn't get

1045
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 7: a contract, I mean didn't agree to terms on a contract.

1046
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: What you said? I just want to be.

1047
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no. But I'm saying but yes. So I

1048
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 7: think for Jamar Chase it was kind of like you

1049
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 7: did it for Joe Burrow. I am that caliber. That's

1050
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 7: what we should be talking about. And so you're right.

1051
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 7: I think it was thirty five a year. I think

1052
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 7: the guarantee would have been kind of what it was,

1053
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 7: you know, decent enough. It was pretty backloaded. And you know,

1054
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 7: when you talk about people on this podcast who remain nameless,

1055
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 7: and Tom talked about that, it's difficult to do a

1056
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 7: deal two years out. That rankled some people who may

1057
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 7: name us, who may may not be close to Jamar Chase.

1058
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 7: But I think what was meant by that was I

1059
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 7: think what I was meant by that was the Bengals

1060
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 7: were going to be able to do it cash flow

1061
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 7: wise in a way they would get the deal done,

1062
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 7: and Judy ultimately they didn't.

1063
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: So it didn't the deal done. Well, here's the thing,

1064
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: so the.

1065
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 6: Two can I can I just say this, all of this,

1066
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 6: all of this means that there's going to just be

1067
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 6: a lot of management on Zach Yes and Joe Burrow.

1068
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 6: I mean we saw Burrow literally sprint in all the

1069
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 6: camera frame like to try to pull Jamar Chase away

1070
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 6: from the official Like those two were going to have

1071
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 6: to do a lot of emotional management to sort of

1072
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 6: get through this period if they're going to have a

1073
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 6: successful season. Mike is losing it up.

1074
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 4: There, No, no, no, I want to come back to

1075
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 4: Ian's point. I want to in the finish this point

1076
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 4: as well too. But like if someone was upset with well,

1077
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 4: there's two years left in the deal, makes it harder

1078
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 4: than when there's one year left in the deal, or

1079
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: when you're right up against free agency or whatever it is.

1080
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 4: Was that in a sense like letting the team off

1081
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: the hook because the team's not going to now front

1082
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 4: load this thing. Yeah, I mean that's it's not an opinion,

1083
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: it's we knew that's how they're going to approach it.

1084
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's explain this in really simple terms that

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Speaker 2: people can understand. The reason we say it's difficult to

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00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: do a deal with two years left, and it does

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00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: have to do with cash flow is and we talk

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Speaker 2: about extensions, like a four year extension for Justin Jefferson,

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00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: for instance, which was four years and one hundred and

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00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: forty million, the same numbers we're talking about here with

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Speaker 2: Chamar Chase. He had one year left that I think

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00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: it was like nineteen this year. So you're talking about

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00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: spreading all total. I've already lost track of the numbers here.

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00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 3: That's about one.

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00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: Hundred and sixty and sixty million dollars over five years, right,

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00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: So that is that comes out to about thirty two

1097
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: million a year they're spreading over in each of five years.

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00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: It's not all even, but that's how much Jamar Chase

1099
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: is doing only four million dollars five million dollars this year,

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00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: then he's got that option next year. So let's say

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00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: that also, just for the sake of argument, here is

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00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: the same amount. Now you're spreading one hundred and sixty

1103
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: million over six years, which when you divide that is

1104
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: of course less than what the justin geervers.

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00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: Went when the number and when the number this year

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00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: is only like you said, four instead of what Jefferson

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00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 4: was playing with.

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Speaker 2: You get a big raise this year, but then logically

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00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: those future years are going to be smaller than they

1110
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: would be if you had fewer years left, and so

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00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: you can do the deal. The Bengals made their run

1112
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: at it. They kept in their structure. Judy Jamar Chasin's

1113
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: agent wanted them to change their structure. They would not.

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00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: It was you know, this is also why we always

1115
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: say there is no close. There is only done or

1116
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: not done. This was never done, even though on papers

1117
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: like hey, they appear to be really closer. And I

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00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 2: think the way you said about just the maintenance aspect

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00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: of this is significant because you can say, oh, talks

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: are off. It's like, well, the Bengals never talked during

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00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: the season, and Jamorrow wants to talk if the Bengals

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00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: changed their contract structure.

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Speaker 3: Well that happens. Yeah, we'll talk and we'll do a

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00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 3: deal here.

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Speaker 2: But that's also you know, probably not something that Mike Brown,

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00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: knowing that he would vote against anything in the world

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00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: in terms of changes, is probably having a great appetite

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the fallout is the problem now, right.

1130
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 6: I mean they've now got to manage this situation to

1131
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 6: get through a season. This is a super Bowl caliber team.

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 6: I mean, they came ever so close to beating the

1133
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 6: Chiefs again in Arrowhead. This is a really good team,

1134
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 6: and they're going to have this group of players together

1135
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 6: for this year and then maybe not going forward whenever

1136
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 6: they get to Higgins back on the field. So it's

1137
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 6: just a fallout now. A failing to get the contract

1138
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 6: finished is going to require some heavy lifting from Zach

1139
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 6: is going to have to manage it constantly. I mean

1140
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 6: he was doing it in real time on the sideline

1141
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 6: in the middle of the game, trying to bring him

1142
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 6: down Joe Burrow as I mean, you know, this is

1143
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 6: white quarterbacks, partly why they get paid the big bucks.

1144
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 6: He's going to have to manage it. He's obviously very

1145
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 6: close to Jamar and they have a long history, and

1146
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 6: you could see he was trying to manage it in

1147
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 6: real time on the field like that is going to

1148
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 6: have to be an ongoing thing to try to smooth

1149
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 6: things over, to get the best out of him, and

1150
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 6: to get the team on track, and to get you know,

1151
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 6: to just quiet things down and focus on playing football,

1152
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 6: which they can do really well.

1153
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: I love that we just spent seventeen minutes on the

1154
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: AFC North and we didn't even get into the Steelers

1155
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: quarterback saga that continues to go between Justin Fields and

1156
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, And we didn't get the right that the

1157
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens are owing to out of the gate right now.

1158
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 2: A lot more episodes the Inside is coming up throughout

1159
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: the course this week. But Mike, you know, wait the

1160
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: whole show to talk.

1161
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: About this game. Feel the excitement you got to.

1162
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 4: Yell, yell, Mike, Yeah, So this is a really interesting game.

1163
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 4: You got the e here hosting on a Monday night

1164
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 4: their home opener. You know what the atmosphere is going

1165
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: to be like. And a lot of questions with this

1166
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: Atlanta Falcons team, because when I left that stadium, I

1167
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: got the Falcons week one and week two, so I've

1168
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 4: got a little experience to draw on having covered that game.

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00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 3: It was a bad.

1170
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 5: Vibe in that stadium, like bad vibe.

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00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: I didn't go into the locker room, but just talking

1172
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 4: to folks and Kirk Cousins at his press conference, Boy,

1173
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 4: he looked as defeated.

1174
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 5: And I know he's upset whenever he lose the game,

1175
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 5: but he looked as defeated. I'm like, it's week one,

1176
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 5: like everybody coming off an achilles relaxed.

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00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: So Cousin's gonna have to show some people that that

1178
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 4: Achilles injury is not the issue that people seem to

1179
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 4: think it is as they're watching the film. This offense

1180
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: has got to get going because they're going to have

1181
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: to score. This is not going to be a low

1182
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: scoring game like they had against the Steelers. Are gonna

1183
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 4: have to try to keep up with the Eagles here.

1184
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 4: I did talk to a few folks down in Atlanta.

1185
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 4: One of those Jesse Bates, and I thought this was

1186
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: really interesting. Raheem Morris now in his second game again

1187
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: as a full time head coach.

1188
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 5: He made it clear.

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00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 4: Jesse told me that he went in and said, look,

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00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: it's not just on Kirk hey, offensive line, you need

1191
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 4: to protect better. You guys got to get open. You

1192
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: gotta do that, he told these guys. Kirk's taking the

1193
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 4: heat right now. But this is a team effort to

1194
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: improve upon week one and improve quickly, because this is

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: a team in the Eagles that we still expect to

1196
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 4: be a contending team, particularly after we saw what we

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: saw week one in Brazil.

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Speaker 2: I would not want if I'm the Falcons coming off

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Speaker 2: of that Week one performance, to go all right. Now,

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Speaker 2: we're going up against the Eagles defensive line on the

1201
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: road in primetime, when Eagles fans been lined up on

1202
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: down Broadstreet for probably twenty four hours to get the

1203
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: tailgates going on.

1204
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Speaker 3: If you have a fun environment, enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: Mike the Insiders back on Tuesday night, NFL Network and

1206
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: NFL Plus seven pm Eastern Time every Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Thursdays.

1207
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Speaker 2: We are on fast streaming platforms as well as on YouTube,

1208
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: and of course the Monday Show every week six pm

1209
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: Eastern time on YouTube, as well as the podcast you

1210
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: can download five days a week.

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Speaker 3: Mike's taking a phone call. I think that's our time.

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00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: Just let the guy who walked behind Mike while he

1213
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: was talking there looking at his watch, I think it's

1214
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: time for us to go.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being here and knowing everybody see