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Speaker 1: Let's to get to you this morning. So our own

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense is warning Israel of a quote strategic

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Speaker 1: defeat in pretty blockbuster comments. We'll bring you that as

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Speaker 1: well as updates out of the Gaza Strip. Rohnda Santis's

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Speaker 1: on exactly how Israel is waging this war differently, by

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Speaker 3: And then a hard turn. What's going on in God?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go ahead and give you the very

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Speaker 1: latest coming out of the Gaza Strip. Put these images

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Speaker 1: this weekend, the temporary truth is over, the ceasefire has ended,

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Speaker 1: and Israel is back to a massive bombing campaign. What

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Speaker 2: What's happened over the last couple of days as both

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Speaker 2: witness this live. The Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin with

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Speaker 2: warning it is going to lead to a quote strategic defeat.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to.

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Speaker 6: Say, that's kind of a fight. The center of gravity

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Speaker 2: So to translate that from military speaks strategy, the center

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Speaker 2: So the reason that he says here the center of

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Speaker 2: a tactical victory with a strategic defeat. This is almost

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Speaker 2: exactly tracks with the US campaign in Iraq. We had Shakanah,

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Speaker 2: I basically a co sign most of what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with going after Hamas. I

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Speaker 2: just think that the way they're doing it and also

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Speaker 2: goal ritting the Gaza strip of Hamas. Even in the

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Speaker 2: near term it seems like a nearly impossible task, especially

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Speaker 3: Term is going to be very, very difficult.

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Speaker 2: We're probably gonna be covering that all throughout the week

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Speaker 3: Campaign and all that is going to look like.

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Speaker 2: But if you pair it with some of the broader problems,

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Speaker 2: And that's what happened yesterday. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 2: already that hoothy hijacking is that is really anchor. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're drones. But don't forget you know, this same guided

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Speaker 2: that are being shot from Yemen all the way towards Israel. Now,

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Speaker 2: no way to confirm whether or not it's that's true.

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Speaker 2: But what we can't confirm is that they have kinetically

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Speaker 3: We're living in a different world, that's a different game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So to start with that piece, I was reading

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Speaker 1: what's the big deal. Well, for these shipping, for these

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Speaker 1: So it has a significant economic impact, even if they

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Speaker 1: So that's on that piece, And of course it also

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Speaker 1: just shows listen the Houthis and Yemen. They aren't going

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of Defense and his statement that you can

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Speaker 1: type of war that they are waging on the civilian population,

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Speaker 1: this is clear common sense. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 4: This is not the case.

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Speaker 1: You can already see in the West Bank because of

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Speaker 1: you're radicalizing more people's support for Hamas is skyrocketing in

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Speaker 1: According to a bombshell new report in an Israeli newspaper

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Speaker 2: a large refugee settlement will come out of it, simply

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Speaker 2: because the Egyptians control the only other border and they're not.

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Speaker 3: Going to let it happen.

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Speaker 2: And that's when you get to the old end state

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Speaker 2: of insurgency of day. You know, that's when they're going

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Speaker 2: to beg US and the EU to come in and

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Speaker 2: peace keep Gaza City.

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Speaker 3: They're going to have to deal with whatever comes next.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I'm saying hell no to all of that,

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Speaker 2: including this, by the way, because it's outrageous and have

445
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Speaker 2: a detrimental impact on overall US security. So they can

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Speaker 2: want what they have, whatever they want, And I'm certain

447
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Speaker 2: that there are elements of the Nettanahu cabinet, but I

448
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Speaker 2: still fall crystal on the fact is is that they're

449
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Speaker 2: trying to just punish the hell out of the population,

450
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Speaker 2: and they're trying to kill or let's put it two ways.

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Speaker 2: Punishing the population is secondary aim number two. Killing Hamas

452
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Speaker 2: is supposedly aim number one. They're willing to accomplish one

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Speaker 2: and two at the same time, but just not really

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Speaker 2: willing to care and pulling the trigger based on ten

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Speaker 2: twenty percent type of intelligence, which I know you're talking

456
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Speaker 2: quite a bit yeah in your monologue, but I still

457
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Speaker 2: think there's a big difference between that and suppose it

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Speaker 2: like ethnic cleansing and or words do mean.

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Speaker 4: It's very clear that their goal is ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 2: Well, some very clear and its goal is ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 1: Bab Netna, who's goal is ethnic cleansing? Now will they

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Speaker 1: accomplish that goal? That depends on the US, that depends

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Speaker 1: on the US, that depends on Egypt.

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Speaker 4: Is that their goal?

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can deny it at this point,

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Speaker 1: like that is clearly their goal. Now we can quibble

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Speaker 1: over whether or not it's a genocide. I think based

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Speaker 1: on the international definition and based on Israeli scholars of

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Speaker 1: a Holocaust who looked at it, I think it has.

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Speaker 1: But you can certainly say if you don't like those words,

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Speaker 1: you can certainly say indiscriminate killing of civilians. I'm breaking

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Speaker 1: down this report from nine to seventy two magazine, but

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Speaker 1: just to give.

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Speaker 4: You a preview of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we're talking about okay, their goal is

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Speaker 1: to kill Hamas No their number one goal is to

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Speaker 1: put a quote unquote shock into the civilian population and

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Speaker 1: hope that they're going to somehow turn on Hamas.

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Speaker 4: We can already see that that has failed.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is only increased You look at the

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Speaker 1: West Bank has already only increased support for Hamas. It's

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Speaker 1: only going to increase the comments from the Secretary of

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Speaker 1: Defense radicalization and support for terror and violent resistance within

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Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip. So in any case, it's important to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on what they actually want to accomplish,

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Speaker 1: because these Babe is a savvy, savvy negotiator.

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Speaker 4: He is a savvy politician.

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Speaker 1: He thinks he can work over Joe Biden, who he

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Speaker 1: says he's known for forty years and who is you know,

490
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Speaker 1: aging and frail and doesn't have all his wits about him.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's obviously true, correct.

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Speaker 1: He thinks he can manipulate us public opinion, which he

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Speaker 1: also has been very effective at doing as well.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think it's.

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Speaker 1: So preposterous to put it off the table that some

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Speaker 1: version of his ideal plan could actually come to fruition.

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Speaker 1: We also wanted to give you an update on a

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Speaker 1: just unbelievable story coming out of Jerusalem, and the facts

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Speaker 1: of the quote unquote only in democracy in the region.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. This is disturbing.

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Speaker 1: I just want you guys to know. So what you

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Speaker 1: see here is and I'm going to give you the

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Speaker 1: backstory in a moment. But this is in Jerusalem. Me

504
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Speaker 1: see this man kneeling on the ground, hands up. He's

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Speaker 1: saying and Hebrew, please don't shoot me, please, please don't

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Speaker 1: shoot me. And he is effectively summarily executed there and

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Speaker 1: allowed to bleed out from his injuries and he dies. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is Demi Reader, who is an Israeli journalist, actually

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Speaker 1: one of the co founders of that magazine nine seventy

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Speaker 1: two that I just referenced.

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Speaker 4: So here's the backstory.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, Israeli soldier executed a wounded Palestinian militant

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Speaker 1: point blank on camera. He became somewhat of a hero

515
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Speaker 1: to the far right, and the execution of wounded suspects

516
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Speaker 1: briefly became a wedge issue in Israeli society. Briefly because

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Speaker 1: it's been long accepted, at least since the Second Intifada

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Speaker 1: that even if someone used a butter knife to text

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Speaker 1: soldiers they might also have a suicide veus and therefore

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Speaker 1: need to be finished off just in case. She says,

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Speaker 1: makes no sense to me, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it ever happened, but okay. Fastward to twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: A major cheerleader of that Israeli soldier and a convicted

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Speaker 1: terror supporter himself, Itamar Benkavie, is police minister. After October seventh,

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Speaker 1: he randomly begins handing out weapons to civilians, ostensibly because

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Speaker 1: you need a good guy with a gun, etc. Well,

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Speaker 1: this pass Friday, and this gets to the video that

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Speaker 1: we just watched. Two Hamas paramilitaries shot up a bus

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Speaker 1: stop in Jerusalem, killed three people, including.

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Speaker 4: A pregnant teacher.

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Speaker 1: The first guy to engage them is a local lawyer

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Speaker 1: and former policeman. I should add durn Castleman, civilian who

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Speaker 1: happens to be armed a good guy with a gun.

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Speaker 1: He kills both gunmen, stops the attack before more people

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Speaker 1: could be killed. Then, and this is the part that

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Speaker 1: you guys just watched. IDF soldiers arrive Castleman. The hero

537
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Speaker 1: realizes that he might be mistaken for one of the attackers,

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Speaker 1: so he drops his handgun. He kneels on the road.

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Speaker 1: This is what you saw in that video. He lifts

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Speaker 1: his t shirt to show he's got no suicide vest on.

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Speaker 1: He asks them in perfect Hebrew not to shoot, explaining

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Speaker 1: who he is. One of the soldiers, a settler with

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Speaker 1: a self confessed extremist background, shoots him anyway in the

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Speaker 1: abdomen on camera and walks off. So that man that

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Speaker 1: you just saw killed on camera, executed on camera with

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Speaker 1: his hands up, that was an Israeli Hiro who had

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Speaker 1: stopped these gunmen who were massacring people. These Hamas gunmen

548
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Speaker 1: who are masacring people. When more security arrives, they assume

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Speaker 1: castman was a gunman, so they let him bleed out.

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Speaker 4: He bleeds to death.

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Speaker 1: The settler soldier who executed him gives smug interviews, gets

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Speaker 1: much kudos from other far right figures.

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Speaker 4: They later erase those tweets.

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Speaker 1: The army and police said they won't be investigating before

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Speaker 1: you turning under pressure net and yaho, you're ready for

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Speaker 1: this one. He chimes in and says, I support the

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Speaker 1: policy of handing out weapons. Sometimes there's a price to pay,

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Speaker 1: But say Lava, say lov.

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Speaker 4: That's what he said. In Arabic. So this Hebrew, sorry

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Speaker 4: in Hebrew.

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Speaker 1: So this man darn Kaslman, true hero who was there,

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Speaker 1: who stopped these Hamas militants, was executed by Israeli soldiers

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Speaker 1: even as he was there kneeling the street. This is

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Speaker 1: the reality of the quote unquote only democracy in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess it happened in the West Bank, right,

567
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Speaker 2: look the whole or sorry, it happened in Jerusalem. The

568
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Speaker 2: problem is that with this entire thing is that it

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Speaker 2: actually demonstrates all of the worst pressures that are on

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Speaker 2: Neta Yahu. Because this showed you the settler who was

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Speaker 2: provided with weapons under the BEng Giver policy. Then it

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Speaker 2: also showed you that Netanyahu himself has a very hard

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Speaker 2: time grappling with this. He didn't even call the family

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Speaker 2: until yesterday Israeli military.

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Speaker 4: After there was a massive public reaction.

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Speaker 2: So after there was a huge public reaction saying hey,

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Speaker 2: how can you do this, he put out a tweet

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Speaker 2: and said you've all castleman is the hero of Israeli.

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Speaker 2: Saved many lives. Today I spoke with his father. This

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Speaker 2: a wonderful family. The entire nation mourns with them now

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Speaker 2: in terms of the investigation to itself. They don't know

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Speaker 2: which way that they're supposed to because they initially were

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Speaker 2: not supposed to have the police or the military even

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Speaker 2: investigate this person, the settler, whether he should have had

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Speaker 2: weapons or not, and what punishment this person will suffer.

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Speaker 2: You know, the original case he talks about. I remember

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Speaker 2: covering a lot of that at the time, because if

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Speaker 2: anyone's seen the video, it's crazy because basically there's a

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Speaker 2: wounded guy on the ground and he's just walking around

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Speaker 2: and despite no orders or any of that, he just

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Speaker 2: shoots him in the head. There's no other way to

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Speaker 2: describe it. I've watched the video a dozen times, reported

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Speaker 2: on a lot at the time because there was a

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Speaker 2: big controversy around putting him through court martial and then

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Speaker 2: his eventual trial, because in all Israel it was an

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Speaker 2: open shutcase.

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Speaker 3: It's like, there's no way this is going to happen.

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Speaker 2: But he became a genuine hero and to the point

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Speaker 2: where he, even by a decent segment of society, is

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Speaker 2: celebrated today for what happened to him, and they're seen

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Speaker 2: as a miscarriage of justice. The overall prosecution, the initial

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Speaker 2: court martial it's split the IDF apart, and more importantly,

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Speaker 2: it's split Israeli society apart. So that is what is

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Speaker 2: downstream of a lot of the settler providing them guns.

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Speaker 2: And then also when it comes to this, I think

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Speaker 2: it was a big rip between secular society settler society,

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Speaker 2: and then the way that people inside Israel are looking

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Speaker 2: at this because as I've explained here before, you know,

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Speaker 2: a huge portion of Israeli population don't even serve in

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Speaker 2: the military, and this is a retired policeman, had a

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Speaker 2: gun on him, did the heroic thing at the time

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Speaker 2: he kills He literally kills him. He's a trained police officer,

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Speaker 2: and then does everything you're supposed to do. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm in a chaotic situation. Drop the gun, put the

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Speaker 2: hands up, show that I don't have a vest on

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Speaker 2: because he knows. He's like, well, you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of them will shoot if they think you have a

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Speaker 2: vest He did everything they were supposed to do.

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Speaker 3: Then he gets executed.

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Speaker 2: So that's a tragedy, and the person obviously involved should

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Speaker 2: be at the very least, you know, fire from the job,

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Speaker 2: removed from service, not celebrated. The fact though that it

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Speaker 2: took days for the Prime Minister to have to respond

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Speaker 2: to this. I think demonstrates to everyone very clearly what

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Speaker 2: the pressures inside of Israel are on Netagnahu, not from

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Speaker 2: the general population, from inside the coalition himself, because inside

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Speaker 2: that coalition they don't want to talk about this at all.

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Speaker 2: It's a tragedy, se Lav, etc. And they want to

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Speaker 2: move past it. It shows you who he's really really

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Speaker 2: working for. And I think that is the single broken record,

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Speaker 2: single biggest problem in the prosecution of this war is

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Speaker 2: that you have the overall leader of the country with

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Speaker 2: some of the worst pressures on him from a fringe

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Speaker 2: element of society, which is not how you should be

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Speaker 2: wanting to conduct a defensive operation, a war which is

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Speaker 2: supposed to bring the entire country together. It's a nightmare

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Speaker 2: from a political strategic perspective. Inside is really society.

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Speaker 3: I think something will break eventually. I really do you.

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Speaker 1: Know one thing I want to say related to this,

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Speaker 1: because I talked about, you know, the poll numbers of

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Speaker 1: it's like fifty eight percent of Israeli society who thinks

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Speaker 1: the IDF hasn't been brutal enough. Only one point eight

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Speaker 1: percent is like, yeah, maybe they've gone too far. So

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Speaker 1: you've a majority who want even more viciousness, even more brutality.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to make it really clear, like

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Speaker 1: I don't think that Jewish Israelis are different than any

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Speaker 1: other people on the planet, but I do think that

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Speaker 1: when you have for so many decades, you've had this

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Speaker 1: brutal military occupation of the West Bank, and you've had

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Speaker 1: this brutal blockade of Gaza, and you know, there's Israel

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Speaker 1: Is doing very well as a society, relatively wealthy society,

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Speaker 1: people doing well living, you know, living good lives, all

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Speaker 1: of that, and just over these borders, you know, in

654
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Speaker 1: effectively the same territory, territory that at this point is

655
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: controlled by Israel, you have people who are living in

656
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: these desperate conditions. I think that does something to a society. Again,

657
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, people are different in Palestine.

658
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: Versus Israel, versus here versus.

659
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Anywhere else in the world. But when you live in

660
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: that kind of a society, you know the level of

661
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: dehumanization that you have to sort of internalize to justify

662
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: this treatment of millions of people right across the border

663
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: right there, You know that you could go and see

664
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Speaker 1: with your own eyes. I do think it does something

665
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: to a society. And so you know, that's why you know,

666
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Speaker 1: someone who if this had been a Palestinian who was

667
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: unarmed and posing no threat to anyone and who was

668
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: executed in the street, that settler who killed him would

669
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Speaker 1: still be a hero. You know, they would still be

670
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: bragging about it. It still would be broadly supported. And

671
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: you know the number of Palestinians who are you know,

672
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: rounded up and arrested and no charge is filed, and

673
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: in this indefinite attention, this is not really controversial within

674
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: Israeli society. So I think that's where that's why the

675
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: governments have for a long time now been increasingly right wing,

676
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: increasingly right wing where they're very clear they don't want

677
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: a two state solution. You know, they're doing everything they

678
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: can to block the possibility of two state solution or

679
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: openly openly talking about that. I think that's what happens

680
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: over time when you have these conditions that are imposed

681
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: on a population for so long.

682
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I will take a turn in trying to explain it,

683
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: which is and if you know, if they ever been there,

684
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: it's not it's understandable. So just bear with me, most

685
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: of the people the generation of today, that people were

686
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: serving the IDF grandfather or grandparents of great grandparents, like

687
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: we liquidated in the Holocaust or survived, we're lucky enough

688
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: to survive. You are beaten into you from day one.

689
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: The state of Israel exists, that will never happen again.

690
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: You have mandatory military service going back to basically the

691
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: founding of the country. Your father's and or grandfathers fought

692
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: in sixty seven and in the Yamkapor War where Israeli

693
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: annihilation was absolutely on the table. So you have had

694
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: two lessons in the span of one hundred years where

695
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: you have learned, if we don't fight back with everything

696
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: that we possibly have, they will wipe us off the

697
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: face of the earth. And on top of that, you

698
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: now live with twenty years of war with Hamas. And look,

699
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Hamas doesn't suffer more obviously in

700
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: terms of casualties, but it's no picnic living in a

701
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: country where you've got rockets coming down. You had to

702
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: have iron dome, and everybody knows somebody who was affected

703
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: either in that war. At the same time too, in

704
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: modern society and what it's like to live in Israel.

705
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: You can't even go inside of a shopping mall without

706
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: getting wanded for a suicide vest because they had I

707
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: think over a thousand attacks that happen inside of Israel,

708
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: suicide bombing style attacks, blowing up buses, public infrastructure, all

709
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: that type of thing before they eventually built the wall

710
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: with Kazo. So you know, that's not that hard to

711
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: That's actually not that hard to understand. Why you get

712
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: to a mindset of where that's predominant inside of your

713
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: society and the total separation seems necessary because it's an

714
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: us er them mentality. And let's be real too, a

715
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: lot of the Palestinians they would kill them if they

716
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: had the chance and if they had the means and so,

717
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: and they've shown that throughout decades now of bordering both

718
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: Gaza and Hamasa.

719
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Speaker 3: I understand it completely.

720
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying I like it or

721
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm even justifying it.

722
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: But it's a.

723
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: Different set of circumstances than we live here in the West,

724
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: just completely and utterly different. And it's one of those

725
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: where you know, when you're saying in Crystal, I think

726
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: the dehumanization all that that is just inherent to what

727
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: it's like to live in an active war zone, and

728
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: what it's like to also have a generation at war today,

729
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: your father's generation at war, grandfather, and to have and

730
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: know and have the knowledge and probably ninety percent of

731
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: your descendant or ancestors were liquidated by the Nazis. That's

732
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: just a deep cultural imprint that's not going to go away,

733
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: I think for a long time.

734
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: And they spend all their time in society.

735
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: They don't let you forget that either when you're in school,

736
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: whenever you're coming up. It's a part of the culture

737
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: which is I think goes to the very core of

738
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: what it means to be Israel, even if you are

739
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: a Sephardic Jew or any of that. It's beaten into

740
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: you that over the you know, the two thousand years

741
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 2: of persecution, the Pelgrams, a large portion of Israeli societies.

742
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: Also Russian suffered horribly under the Soviet Union, under this

743
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: are before that. So I think culturally I understand it completely.

744
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to justify it. I'm just like you

745
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: have to try and put yourself in the mind of

746
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: what it is like to live in that state for

747
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: the last seventy five eighty years and also to suffer,

748
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: you know, a society wide level terror bombings which America

749
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: would never tolerate even ten percent of what Israel has

750
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: had to go through.

751
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: To the number one song in Israel right now, is

752
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: this like rap song that calls for annihilating everyone in

753
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: assassinating specific celebrities who have supported the Palestinian cause.

754
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the state of the society.

755
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: And part of what I have found so wrenching and

756
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: sickening and disturbing, because again I don't I don't think

757
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: Israeli Jews are any different than other people around the world.

758
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: Is how quick there is a justification of things that

759
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: should be moral atrocities that should be completely morally off

760
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: the table, certainly among a nation that considers itself, you know,

761
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: develop part of the first World democracy quote unquote, et cetera.

762
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: And that's what to me is so disturbing. And you know,

763
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: every basically group of people who justifies these sorts of

764
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: horse and atrocities against their fellow human beings, they all

765
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: have that sense of it's us or them.

766
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: They all have that sense of like we're the victims.

767
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Nazi Germany same thing, like the

768
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: sense of victimization and it's us or them and we're

769
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: under threat, et cetera, et cetera. Like that is the

770
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: feeling that is used to justify absolute horse and so

771
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: to watch that unfold in real time has been, you know,

772
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: has been absolutely stunning. There was a journalist who posted

773
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: this long threat I don't know if you saw it

774
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: on Twitter about like I want you to understand that

775
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: when you are posting pictures of dead Palestinians like I

776
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: don't care, I do not care at all, posting this

777
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: publicly again a journalist in Israeli journalists posting this publicly,

778
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: and so that to me has been one of the

779
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: things that has been so shocking to watch unfold is

780
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: how quickly and how quickly even people here in the

781
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: US who haven't experienced all this trauma and don't have

782
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: that you know, general like generational wound and aren't experiencing

783
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: the suicide attacks and the you know, sirens going off

784
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: and the you know, quote unquote rocket fires, et cetera,

785
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: who are also like, yeah, justifying the annihilate them all,

786
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: wipe them out, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, it's

787
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: disturbing I guess that's all I can say.

788
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: I understand, I understand where you're coming from. I think,

789
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, we should all just try and put ourselves

790
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: in the minds of both of these people.

791
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: I'm not I can put it from a Palestine perspective too.

792
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy. Darryl Cooper, I think, does the

793
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: best job of that.

794
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: He's like, look, we tried everything you know going this

795
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: in our lifetimes and our grandfather's lifetimes.

796
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: I've met plisy excuse me, I.

797
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: Met housing people who still have the key to their

798
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: house that that was taken away from them in nineteen

799
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: forty eight. Yeah, and that gets passed down even though

800
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: that woman's mom is dead, it was passed down to

801
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: the mom. They still have that key mounted above their door.

802
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: So don't forget to that too.

803
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 7: You know.

804
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: On the other side, they remember, and they remembers deep.

805
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: It goes into the kids, it goes into their grandkids.

806
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: So these are these things don't heal easily. Let's move

807
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: on to domestic politics. There's absolute craziness going on here

808
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: with Paul Ryan, with Ron De Santis and Nicki Haley.

809
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: But I think the major story of this is the

810
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: absolute downfall of Ron de Santis, not necessarily in the polls,

811
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: although some of that too. But amongst the donor set,

812
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: who have done the hardest pivot of all time, they're

813
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: going all in on Nicki Haley after her Star Debate performance.

814
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: The best examplified by this is Paul Ryan, the leader

815
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: the donor class, hero himself, coming on CNBC identified as

816
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: an investor, Okay to go ahead and endorse Haley.

817
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

818
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 8: Do not discount the Americans for Prosperity endorsement of Nicki

819
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 8: Haley two days ago.

820
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: That's actually a really big deal.

821
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 5: The reason that that's.

822
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 8: Really big deal is you could say that Ron DeSantis's

823
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 8: big advantage over Nikki Hally was his ground game in Iowa,

824
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 8: which is impressive. Americans Prosperity has an extremely impressive ground game.

825
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 8: This is the COC Networks ground game. They just gave

826
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 8: that to Nicki Haley. So not only does that level

827
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 8: her up in Iowa with Monte Santas, that gives her

828
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 8: a ground game in all these other states, and the

829
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 8: calendar place to her advantage. So I'm not saying I'm

830
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 8: all for Nicki Haley. I'm for beating Donald Trump. I'm

831
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 8: for any Republican who can beat Donald Trump, but I

832
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 8: think if you had to pick a growth stock, I

833
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 8: think Nicky's the growth stock. And the fact that she

834
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 8: got this endorsement I think matters a lot. So the

835
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 8: question is, since more than about half Republicans do not

836
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 8: want Donald Trump to be our nominee, I'm among those half,

837
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 8: can someone consolidate the sporting time to win? And the question,

838
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 8: I think, I think that's that's possible.

839
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 5: I think that's possible, is it.

840
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: He's got sixty six percent in the Bulls though against

841
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: the other candidates he's.

842
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 8: I'm not saying this is going to happen, but I

843
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 8: think it's still plausible because things can still happen.

844
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 5: She's got a lot of momentum.

845
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 2: If one person can quickly consolidate the non Trump field,

846
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: then they'll have thirty percent. Okay, yeah, that math checks out.

847
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: This is the Iowa fan fiction is driving me crazy,

848
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: and somehow people like Paul Ryan, Ron DeSantis, and now

849
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: the Coke Network have seemingly bought into this. Put this

850
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: up there. I know Ryan and Emily cover this, but

851
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: it's still very important. Way in on, the Coke Network

852
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: endorsed Nicky Hayley to push the GOP past Trump. This

853
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: is significant for two reasons. Obviously, the Coke network has

854
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: boatloads of money. They have some of the biggest consultant

855
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: infrastructure in all of Washington. They've got Americans for prosperity,

856
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: they have super packs, they got five oh one c threes,

857
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: five fours that they're all throwing behind her. They've got

858
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: polling ad buys, all these things. This is potentially hundreds

859
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars that she's now added.

860
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: To her war test.

861
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: Now, the big question for them is around what are

862
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: you trying to do Iowa? It seems to be the

863
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: consolidation dream. What people seem to forget Crystal about twenty

864
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty sixteen, Donald Trump didn't win Iowa. He didn't

865
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: even get second in Iowa. He got third in Iowa.

866
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: You know what did happen?

867
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 7: Though?

868
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: He won New Hampshire, Then he won South Carolina, Then

869
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: he won the majority of the states on Super Tuesday,

870
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: and he won Florida, and he won Shall I go

871
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: on the point is that Iowa itself is actually not

872
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: all that indicative of anything. The only reason that this

873
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: myth persists is really because of.

874
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: The Obama campaign.

875
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: When Obama winning Iowa was genuinely impactful because it showed

876
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: to a lot of black voters in the Democratic Party. No, no, no,

877
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: like white people actually would vote for this guy. Therefore,

878
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: we now have permission, which is why he went on

879
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: to win South Carolina. He ended up cleaning up it,

880
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: basically wrapped up the majority of it on Super Tuesday.

881
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: But Hillary also did very well in New Hampshire the

882
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: next time. The thing is where Trump is. It's about

883
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: the states that come afterwards. And for all the media,

884
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, tension and all of that, no one is

885
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: going I'll put it right here. I'll eat a sock

886
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: again if I have to. Nobody will beat.

887
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: Donald Trump in the state of New Hampshire. Period.

888
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: It is Trump Country, has been since twenty sixteen. The

889
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: idea and the polling, a lot of this stuff bears

890
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: it out. And the problem too, is that these donors

891
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: are trying to play pick me with all of these

892
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: different candidates like DeSantis or any of the Tim Scott

893
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: or any of these others when they're facing a structural

894
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: problem of the voters don't like them. Put this up

895
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: there too, because this is a part of this, the

896
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: DeSantis campaign is a complete free fall. Their big money

897
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: the super pac has completely imploded. The new chief executive

898
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: has been fired, a new one has run brought on.

899
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: Several of the major strategists who work for the organization

900
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: called Never Back Down have either been fired or have left.

901
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: They appear to be.

902
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: Running out of money on a pretty long timescale, and

903
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: their majority of their support, which was told to them

904
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: from the beginning. If you'll recall crystal Ken Griffin, the billionaire,

905
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: was like, I'll give him as much money as he needs,

906
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: and then the first line of trouble, He's like, no, no, no,

907
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: I didn't mean it like this. And there's how many

908
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: of those are out there. The campaign itself is now

909
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: blaming its own superpack. If we can put this Politico

910
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: tear sheet up there, because this is hilarious. They are

911
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: now blaming their own super pack for leaking against them

912
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: and for bad television advertising. They wrote in a memo

913
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: to their donors that Never Back Down and their field

914
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: organization all that is not up to snuff, and that

915
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: they are leaking about their own problems whenever it comes

916
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: to polling, that their TV advertising didn't end up.

917
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 3: Helping them out.

918
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not the sign of a healthy

919
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: overall organization, and it just shows you how quickly I

920
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: think that these establishment folks can move from one to another,

921
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: which at the end of the day is a complete fantasy.

922
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: As you know. At least get credit to that CNBC

923
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: anchor who was like, he's got sixty six percent of

924
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: the vote, what are you talking about?

925
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a basic math problem here. I just pulled

926
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Speaker 1: up the National Republican primary polling.

927
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: We're going to show you the IOW in New Hampshire in.

928
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: A minute, But there has not been a poll. I

929
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: don't know when every single poll in here has Trump

930
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: over fifty percent. So even if you do, in some

931
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: fantasy world consolidate all of the other voters, that still

932
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: doesn't add up to a victory. So okay, you know

933
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I'm just watching with amusement at

934
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: the whole run a Santas Nicki Haley thing, because the

935
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Coke Network endorsing Nikki Haley. I mean that must have

936
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: just been brutal for Ron because he really he was

937
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: running his campaign in this unusual way of relying on

938
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: that super pack much more extensively than campaigns you usually do,

939
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: and that's because you can take in these unlimited contributions.

940
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: So he felt like, Okay, I've got these few billionaires

941
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: who say they're all in for me Ken Griffin and co.

942
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: And so I can take it unlimited funds there. And yeah,

943
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: they don't get us good ad rates and I don't

944
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: have drug control, et cetera. But since we can get

945
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: so much money there, that's the way to go. And

946
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: now you can see that strategy as the donors are

947
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: fleeing him and they're instead I mean, they have no loyalty.

948
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: They're picking Nikki for whatever reason. She's the flavor of

949
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: the moment, and Ron is kind of underwhelmed and underperformed

950
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: and doesn't seem like he's got the juice. And so

951
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: now he's left in this really dire situation. My sense

952
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: is basically that if he doesn't win Iowa, he's going

953
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: to drop out, and he could possibly drop out even

954
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: before that. But I think what's going to happen if

955
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: I had to make prediction he drops out after Iowa.

956
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: There are some big, you know, effort to unify behind

957
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: Nikki and try to make her the anti trump, like

958
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: the one to beat trump Et cetera, et cetera.

959
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: But it's already way too late.

960
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: It's already way too late for that to have any

961
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: prayer of succeeding.

962
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, you are absolutely correct on that. And

963
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 2: actually some of that comes through from the DeSantis campaign

964
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: itself in a more recent interview with Meet the Press

965
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: that happened just on Sunday, where he's like, we are

966
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: going to win Iowa. And when you start making benchmarks

967
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: like that, I think, like you're right, Crystal, which is

968
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: they're laying it so that they can make that case

969
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: to the donors, this is what we're going to happen.

970
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: But then it puts you in a precarious situation where

971
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: they can rug pull you almost immediately whoever is left

972
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: if you don't end up winning a stake.

973
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he.

974
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 8: Said, Well, let's talk about the stakes on caucus night.

975
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 8: If you don't come in at least second, would you

976
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 8: then drop out of the race?

977
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 4: How critical is Iowa?

978
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 9: Well, we're gonna win the caucus. We were doing everything

979
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 9: that we need to do it.

980
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 10: But what if you don't.

981
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 5: If I said from the.

982
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 9: Beginning, we are we are, We're gonna win we're gonna

983
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 9: win the We're gonna win the caucus.

984
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: Bottom line is Iowa, do or die for you, Governor.

985
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 9: We're gonna win Iowa. I think it's gonna help propel

986
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 9: us to the nomination, but I think we'll have a

987
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 9: lot of work that we'll have to do beyond that.

988
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 9: I don't think you'd take anything for granted, and I

989
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 9: do I do recognize that there have been people that

990
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 9: have wanted who have not gone on to win the nomination.

991
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 9: I think this year is a little bit different.

992
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: This year is a little bit different.

993
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 7: Mm.

994
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you have to say that qualifier, it's no boy. Oh,

995
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: let's put this up there, just in in case wondering

996
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: about what Iowa actually looks like. Here we have our

997
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: own custom graphic from the Real Clear Politics average.

998
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Oh look at that.

999
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: Donald Trump at forty seven percent currently in the Iowa

1000
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: Republican caucus.

1001
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 3: He barely is even campaigning there.

1002
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis, who let's remember this, has the endorsement of

1003
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: the sitting governor of the state, is only at seventeen percent.

1004
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: NICKI Haley at fourteen, Tim Scott at six, Vivike Ramaswami

1005
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: at five percent, forty seven I mean, you just can't.

1006
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: It could barely compete with that in any other normal

1007
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: race that the media is covering. This is a complete

1008
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: open and shutcase. Now, to be clear, I'm not saying

1009
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: you should cancel or anything like that. I support it,

1010
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: but you can't say with a straight face that you're

1011
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: going to win Iowa. Let's take a little bit of

1012
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: turn over to New Hampshire, where the Nicky Haley dream

1013
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: is currently going on.

1014
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: Oh Trump forty.

1015
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: Five percent, Nicki Haley nineteen, Chris Christy eleven, Ron DeSantis eight,

1016
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: Vivike Ramaswama Hale. To be fair, Christoferssy always did particularly

1017
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: well in New Hampshire. He had a big moment there

1018
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. It's definitely because of proximity and all

1019
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: these other things. It's definitely more favor to somebody like

1020
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: him and to Nicki Haley as well.

1021
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Also, Independence vote in New Hampshire, so independent vote in

1022
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: New Hampshire it can be a little bit different.

1023
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: That said forty five percent, like you're not getting over

1024
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: that hump. And also if you factor in a media

1025
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: bump whenever you win like you do in Iowa and

1026
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: quick secession, you have something like New Hampshire. Come, what

1027
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: is that really going to account for in a multi

1028
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: field scenario. It did not work for Ted Cruz, who

1029
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: won the Iowa caucuses in twenty sixteen. He got the

1030
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 2: media bump that you hope to get from actually winning

1031
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: didn't matter. Marco got second, same thing, It didn't matter.

1032
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: Jeb Bush, I believe, came in fifth, maybe six in

1033
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. It just demonstrates that money, all of that,

1034
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: even winning Iowa the bump whenever you're going against someone

1035
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: like Trump who has such a loved is such a

1036
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: beloved figure in the Republican Party, and now after he's

1037
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: already won the presidency, it's just an impossible task. It

1038
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: probably always was. And if I could go back, I'm

1039
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: not sure DeSantis should have run ever in the first place.

1040
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: Although there's a whole shoot your shot, there's a shoot

1041
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: your shot argument I think that you should always make.

1042
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think this is irreparably hard,

1043
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: is his ploy?

1044
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1045
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I just also feel like DeSantis just doesn't

1046
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: have just doesn't have it, whatever it is, it just

1047
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have it. And so whether it was this time

1048
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: that he was going to lose or next time, when

1049
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: he's going to lose to like Don Junior or whoever

1050
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: comes next, or Ted Careers or whoever. I think is

1051
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: probably just not in the cards for him. The other

1052
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: big issue among many that they have is DeSantis and

1053
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: Nicki Haley and everybody else. They don't actually want to

1054
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: go directly at Trump that much and his policy or

1055
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: like you know, say, certainly the things that are obvious

1056
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: that were problems with him, like January sixth, they don't

1057
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about that. And so the best argument

1058
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: has always been about electability. But who could believe at

1059
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: this point that Donald Trump's not electable? Think Donald Trump

1060
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: is probably electable.

1061
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I think.

1062
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: It probably is.

1063
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: When you look at Joe Biden as approval rating, the

1064
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: fact young people are abandoning him in droves, and you know,

1065
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Arab Americans and Muslim Americans and the economy is trash

1066
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: and all of these things, and he's you know, super

1067
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: old and can barely formulate a sentence, then yeah, I

1068
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: think Donald Trump probably can beat that guy. So to

1069
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: argue at this point, oh, there's no way Trump can win,

1070
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: and I'm the winner. And if you want to defeat

1071
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: Joe Biden you got to go with me. I just

1072
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: don't think that that is a compelling point at this

1073
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: point whatsoever.

1074
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were going to cover this last week.

1075
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: But Sean Trendy at Real Clear Politics, who's one of

1076
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: my favorite election analysts, he wrote a piece called not

1077
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: only can Trump win right now? He is the favorite

1078
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: to win, and that describes it as a Republican best

1079
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: set to win the election since George W. Bush in

1080
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, which the last time a Republican

1081
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: won the popular vote in this country. So people should

1082
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: really let these circumstances sink in now. It's a long

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Speaker 2: time till election day. All of that, you know, eleven

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00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: months ago. But as where things stand right now, I

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00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: would hell of a lot be rather Trump not only

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00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: the primary in the election as opposed to Joe Biden

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00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: or any of the other people he's running against.

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Speaker 1: You know who else needs to have that sink in

1089
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: from them is the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 4: Saga?

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00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Oh, well that's not because that's a perfect turn to

1092
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: where we are right now. In an inexplicable and yet

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00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: totally explicable move, the Florida Democratic Party has now officially

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00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: put Joe Biden on the ballot in Florida, canceling their

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00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: primary and effectively making it so that there will be

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Speaker 2: no democracy in the state of Florida for Democrats. Put

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00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: this please up there on the screen so you can

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00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: see them chanting four more years. The thing is is

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00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: that they changed it before there was ever going to

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Speaker 2: be a primary. So let's put this please up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. I love the political headline here, Florida

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Speaker 2: Democrats plan to cancel presidential primary, enraging Dean Phillips campaign.

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00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Not just Dean phillips campaign, as we will show you,

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00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: but I love.

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Speaker 1: How they only mentioned him when he's not even the

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00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: leading Democratic whatever contender.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's move past what they are doing, and Nikki Freed,

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00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: the chair of the Florida Democratic Party, says that the

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00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: party is quote followed its standard process and says that

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00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: it is dismayed now by Dean Phillips's conspiratorial and inappropriate

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00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: comments comparing the state of Florida to an Iranian regime

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00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: as part of his knee jerk reaction to long established procedures.

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00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: This comes to the delegation selection plan that they basically

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00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: sped through the Democratic Convention, where through bureaucratic means they

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00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: just canceled the presidential primary completely.

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Speaker 3: Here is what Dean Phillips had to say about that.

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Speaker 11: Hey, everybody, what happened in Florida yesterday is a tragedy

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00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 11: and a travesty. The Florida Democratic Party decided, just a

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00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 11: handful of people decided to disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters

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Speaker 11: in Florida by saying We're not going to have a

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Speaker 11: presidential primary. I'm running for president. There are others running

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Speaker 11: for president as Democrats, and this is the kind of

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Speaker 11: stuff that happens in Tehran, not in Tallahassee. We've got

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Speaker 11: to do something about this. I've been a lifelong Democrat,

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Speaker 11: you know, that supported our party since I was in

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Speaker 11: my twenties, been a member of Congress for three terms,

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00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 11: and was a member of House Democratic leadership. I've never

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Speaker 11: seen something so absurd, so disenfranchising, and so suppressive of

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Speaker 11: Democratic voters.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's right, Crystal, and unlike political

1131
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: will mention, some of the other candidates who are in

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00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: the race, Jake Huger and Marian Williamson also sounded off.

1133
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: They had a press conference on the subject. Here's what

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00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: they had to say.

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Speaker 10: Mary Ann's at twelve percent, she would be what tied

1136
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 10: with DeSantis, above Nikki Haley. She would be second among

1137
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 10: the Republicans, let alone the fact that she's second among

1138
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 10: Democrats on which planet is not? Is that not a

1139
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 10: valid candidate? It's so absurd, it's kafka esque. Oh, a

1140
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 10: person polling higher than almost any challenger on the Republican

1141
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 10: or Democratic side doesn't exist.

1142
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 12: It's worth noting as well, there's one person who could

1143
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 12: put an end to all this craziness, and that's President Biden.

1144
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 12: President Biden should simply make a phone call, say this

1145
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 12: isn't right, make sure it's changed.

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Speaker 5: And it would be.

1147
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 10: Such a great point. If I was a president, I'd

1148
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 10: be like, Oh, Marianne and Deina running against me, great,

1149
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 10: no problem, let's hear it out.

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00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 12: It is hurting the Democratic Party and the chances for

1151
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 12: twenty twenty four that they are acting this way. Jank,

1152
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 12: Deine and I are not hurting the Democratic chances in

1153
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 12: twenty twenty four.

1154
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 5: They are.

1155
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she's obviously right, and all the candidates

1156
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: should be outraged at this crystal. And yet I think

1157
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: this barely dented mainstream coverage.

1158
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the only reason a dented at all is

1159
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: because of jan Phillips, and so that's why I'm glad

1160
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: he's in the race, because you have this like centristy

1161
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: member of Congress, you know, has the right credentials for

1162
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: the media to pay attention to and whatever helps to

1163
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: elevate the just brazen undemocratic nature of this process. And

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Speaker 1: of course it goes without saying the irony and the

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00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: hypocrisy of a democratic party that claims to be quote

1166
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: unquote saving democracy by literally canceling democracy in the state

1167
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: of Florida is quite something. And I think Jenk's comment

1168
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: there that is cough, gas, like that's the best word

1169
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: you could possibly use for this.

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Speaker 4: Because so in the state of Florida, just.

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00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: To get into some of the nitty gritty of this,

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00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: in the state of Florida, under state law, it's left

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00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: up to the party socide who gets put on the ballot.

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00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: Now that already to me is like there should be

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00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: some sort of like a formal process outside of the

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00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: parties that you know, you get this money, put signature

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Speaker 1: is on the petition or whatever, like it is in

1178
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: many states, but there are other states that also have

1179
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: it in their law that basically the party decides, and

1180
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: in those instances in other states, they looked, okay, who's eligible.

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00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, some of them said, okay, jenk he's not

1182
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, he's not a natural born citizen, so he's

1183
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: not going to be on the ballot. But they looked

1184
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: at it and they just put okay, these are the contenders,

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00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: They're the ones that have filed, were putting them on

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00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: the ballot. In Florida, they really did an end run here.

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00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: Dean Phillips says. They were reaching out to the Florida Democrats, Okay,

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00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: what's your process, how do we get on the ballot,

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00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: et cetera. They were supposed to submit their list of

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00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: approve candidates on I think last Thursday. They did it

1191
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: before then, on November first, and just put Biden on there,

1192
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: didn't give anyone a heads up about how this was

1193
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: all going to go down, and just completely canceled the

1194
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Speaker 1: primary in the.

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Speaker 4: State of Florida.

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Speaker 1: It's it's truly outrageous and exposes how, you know, how

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00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: hollow the Democratic Party's words about how much they care

1198
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: about democracy ultimately are.

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Speaker 4: It's preposterous.

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: And again at a time when they claim Donald Trump

1201
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: is this you know, threat to democracy, which I accept

1202
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: after January six, I think that's accurate. I think he

1203
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: is a genuine threat to democracy and that everything's on

1204
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: the line, and this is existential, et cetera, et cetera.

1205
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: But you're doing everything to guarantee that this profoundly weakened

1206
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: candidate in Joe Biden, is the only guy that anyone

1207
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to vote for. The Other thing I

1208
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: was thinking about soccer is like Biden is way ahead.

1209
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, Marian's at like twelve percent, like Jank said.

1210
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: Dean Phillips is at like eight percent. You know, Jinks

1211
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: at like one or two percent in the polls that

1212
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: he's been put on at this point.

1213
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 4: So you got a really, really large lead here.

1214
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: But I think they feel that their position is precarious,

1215
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: and whether it is or not, it's hard to say,

1216
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: but they're looking at the polls, the fact that so

1217
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: many Democratic voters are very anxious about Joe Biden, how

1218
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: many Democratic voters are very upset with Joe Biden, how

1219
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: many Democratic voters.

1220
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 4: Really hate his policy on Israel.

1221
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: His policy on Israel is more popular with Republicans than

1222
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: it is with Democrats, And they feel a sense of

1223
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: vulnerability whether that is actually real or not, and so

1224
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: they're worried that, you know, somebody could catch fire in

1225
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: this moment and really take off and make a run

1226
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: at it, even though you know, from the outside you

1227
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: look at it and it seems like he's got this thing

1228
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: sewing up.

1229
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, it's so obvious.

1230
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: Whenever look they are trying to rate they are they

1231
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: are not trying. They are rigging it completely for Biden's benefit.

1232
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: In a certain sense, though, Crystal, I think that is

1233
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: probably a good thing because they can own the decision

1234
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent should he eventually lose to Trump, and

1235
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: then maybe they will have a total reorganization and re

1236
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: examination of their priorities. Although that already did happen and

1237
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: none of that ended up happening, right.

1238
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: Instead, they just blamed Bernie Sanders in Russia and whatever.

1239
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: I wonder we'll get to blame this time. Well, I mean,

1240
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: you can't blame him.

1241
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: You can't blame primary people this time, because this time

1242
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: around they didn't even get to run against him for real.

1243
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 4: There wasn't blame the third party candidates.

1244
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: That's true.

1245
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: They'll blame our RFK.

1246
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: Jill Stein Cornell West That's who they'll that's how they'll

1247
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: blame this down.

1248
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: This general election is going to be wild.

1249
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the primaries are like very anti democratic and

1250
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: there's not much drama on the Republican side either, But

1251
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: the general election is going to be really wild. If

1252
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: you have RFK, if you've got Cornell, Jill Stein, Joe

1253
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: Manton or whoever, this is going to be a different

1254
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: landscape I think than we've ever seen before. And it

1255
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: could be, uh, you know, it could be kind of

1256
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: total chaos in terms of who actually comes down on

1257
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: top and whether anyone's able to get to undred seventy

1258
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: electoral votes.

1259
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be really Yeah, we've been reading about

1260
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: tingent elections here to prepare. If anybody's interested, go and

1261
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: google that term before we tell you all about it. Okay,

1262
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: let's go and move on to George Santos. Santos, who

1263
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: will always be Congressman in our Hearts, was officially expelled

1264
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: from the House of Representatives after the ethics report. America's

1265
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: congressman delivered an ethics report from the House of Representatives

1266
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: that accused him of using campaign funds for a variety

1267
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: of persono talks, reasons only fans Botos and Onomens being

1268
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: the most egregious examples, but many, many, many others can

1269
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: be broad and lying about his background, deceiving the voters

1270
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: of the district from New York that he eventually ended

1271
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Speaker 2: up representing. Here was the final votally against him.

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Speaker 13: The yea's are three hundred eleven, the nays are one

1273
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 13: hundred and fourteen, with two recorded as present, two thirds

1274
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 13: voting in the affirmative. The resolution is adopted under Clause

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Speaker 13: five D of Rule twenty. The cheer announces to the

1276
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 13: House that, in light of the expulsion of the gentleman

1277
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 13: from New York, mister sand To's, the whole number of

1278
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 13: the House is now four hundred and thirty four.

1279
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: That makes George Santos the sixth person ever to be

1280
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: expelled from the House of Representatives. Interestingly enough, he is

1281
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: the only congressman to ever be expelled from the House

1282
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 2: of Representatives who was not actually convicted of a crime,

1283
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: which is what the justification of many of the people

1284
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: who voted to save Santos said is.

1285
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: They were like, look, he hasn't actually been convicted of this.

1286
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: Matt Gates, who also has an ethics complaint, against him

1287
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: regarding some of shenanigans going on with the girls and

1288
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: potential hookers down in the state of Florida. Is actually

1289
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: well the one who really made that point, because I

1290
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: believe a report is coming I got against him.

1291
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Speaker 3: Although he to.

1292
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Speaker 2: Be very he was exonerated, you know, by the Department

1293
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: or not exonerated. He was at the very least not

1294
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: prosecuted by the Department of Justice. So he's tried to say, like, look,

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Speaker 2: just because you have a bad ethics complaint against you,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that if you're unless you're convicted, then really

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Speaker 2: that's the only case where you should be expelled. Santos though,

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Speaker 2: as we had previously shown, people is going out with

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Speaker 2: a bang almost certainly is with the police up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. So Santo says he will now be

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Speaker 2: filing official complaints. Let's go and keep these up there.

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Speaker 2: He says, Monday, I will be filing an official complaint

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Speaker 2: with the Office of Congressional Ethics against a New York

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01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: congresswoman regarding her questionable stock trading since joining the Ways

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: and Means Committee. He says the same thing about Mike Lawler,

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01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: who was one of those people who have campaigned against

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: mister Santos in the Republican Party. He says, Congressman Lawler

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01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: owns portions of Checkmate strategies and he uses the same

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01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: firm he is the beneficiary of to pay for services

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Speaker 2: related to his campaign. Says it is yeah, I mean it,

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01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: says of Rayla Lota. He says it has been raised

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01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: in local media that the congressman obtained his ID attending

1313
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: Hofstra in day school while he was supposed to be

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Speaker 2: working at the board of his Board of Elections, sorry

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: at the JD, attending the attending Hofstra in day school

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Speaker 2: when he was supposed to be working at the Board

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Speaker 2: of Elections. And then on Congressman Menendez, saying, while Congressman

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Speaker 2: Menendez has not been invoked by the diligent investigation of

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Speaker 2: the DJ into his father, there remains a question.

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Speaker 3: Of what he did know and when did he know it.

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Speaker 2: Basically, he's being a troll on all these but it

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Speaker 2: does hit home a point of this.

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Speaker 3: What is Santos really guilty of.

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Speaker 2: Santos is guilty of just taking it a little bit

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: too far outside of the officialdom. As he points out,

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Speaker 2: like with Congressman Mike Lawler, there are all kinds of

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Speaker 2: legal ways to be totally corrupt. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: Lawler himself is corrupt. It's about a system where you

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Speaker 2: can work for a firm. You're allowed to work part

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01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: time for a law firm which can get business, which

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01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: literally has business before the House of Representatives, and you

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: can still do that when you're an elected representative. As

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Speaker 2: he also points out, whenever it comes to campaign funds,

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing reports that it was Eric Canter, the

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01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: guy who lost here in Virginia, who was the House

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Speaker 2: He had spent more on steak at a high quality

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: stake restaurant here in Washington, DC than his primary opponent

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: had spent in the primary race against him, Which is

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01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: only just to show people like, if you're on campaign business,

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01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: they can pay for a hell a lot of steak

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01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: and alcohol that people are all consuming. As long as

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Speaker 2: you're talking about they pay for your travel, they can

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01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: pay for your else to travel, they can pay for

1344
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: your spouse's clothes. I mean, as long as you file,

1345
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, dot the eyes and cross the t's and

1346
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: file the requisite paperwork and all that, you can get

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: away with a lot.

1348
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Speaker 3: Of sketchy stuff.

1349
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: Whenever it comes to campaign finance, of course, sandals took

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Speaker 2: it to a whole other level, committing outright fraud and

1351
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 2: also also spending you know, items on personal spending money

1352
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: on personal items that have nothing to do with campaign business.

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Speaker 3: But to me, it's only a step or so.

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01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: Removed from a lot of the legalized corruption that already

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Speaker 2: exists in the.

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Speaker 1: Electoral His fraud and his lies were of like uh tacky, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and also very repeated.

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Speaker 4: And undeniable nature.

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Speaker 1: I saw there was another Republican congressman who was accusing

1360
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Speaker 1: him of like stealing their credit card, yeah, and his mom,

1361
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: and charging wasn't his mom or his mom? Oh yeah,

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01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: and charging campaign max ount campaign contributions to it. And

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Speaker 1: then we know from this report allegedly that he was

1364
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Speaker 1: then using those campaign contributions as his own personal piggy bank.

1365
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, that makes it pretty hard

1366
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: to deny that. The repeated lies, the fact that it

1367
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: was everything, the fact that it was you know, things

1368
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: he didn't even need to lie about, every single thing

1369
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: that came out of his mouth.

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Speaker 4: Even his name is in doubt, like his.

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Speaker 1: You know, is whether or not he's really gay, as

1372
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: in dever, memory's married to a woman, like, everything about

1373
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: this man is up for debate and nothing is as

1374
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: it seems, which is part of what I'm just so

1375
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: fascinated by him because I can't. I just I'm not

1376
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: wired like that, you know. I don't know if I

1377
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: guilty conscience or what. But the fact that he could

1378
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: just anything that he thought this person wanted to hear

1379
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: in the moment. He would tell them, you know, oh

1380
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: you were a volleybaster. I played volleyball. Oh you went

1381
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: to this college. I went to that college. What you know, Oh,

1382
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: you're looking for like a token gay conservative who doesn't,

1383
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: let you know, is critical of trans rice.

1384
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 2: I'll be that guy.

1385
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: Like, I'll be that guy, no problem, let me lean

1386
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: into that. Oh you're looking for, you know, someone to speak.

1387
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Speaker 4: At your Jewish event. I'm Jewish. Sure I'll speak at

1388
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 4: your event.

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: It's wild to me, and and I guess that many

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: other people are also interested in such character because there's

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: a movie.

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 4: That's going to be made about him. Put this up

1393
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 4: on the screen.

1394
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: The meteoric political rise of George Santos and the web

1395
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: of fabulous tales that was built on are getting a

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: movie treatment. HBO Films is optioned the rights to a

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01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: new book Mark Tusano.

1398
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm going to go with the Fabulous.

1399
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: The book is called The Fabulous, The lying, hustling, grifting,

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: stealing and very American legend of George Santos, which was

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: published on November twenty, twenty twenty three. He has sort

1402
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: of a uniquely American character, as like uniquely American like

1403
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: con artist Charlatan's Nakohil salesman, the fake it till you

1404
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: make it all the way to becoming a member of Congress.

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01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: There's some Trump esque qualities here, but Santos doesn't quite

1406
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: have the uh, the talent to pull off what Trump

1407
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: has beneving.

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the Riz.

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: Crystal Riz, by the way, is the Oxford Dictionaries word

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01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: of the year. Oh really, so I will be incorporating

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01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: it more. Thank you to the gen zs for popularizing it.

1412
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: But I agree with you.

1413
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Santos is actually not just an American character.

1414
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: He's a throwback to some of the original House of

1415
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: Representative members and during a totally rigged process and the

1416
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: way the snake oil and all that. What do you

1417
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: think the modern West in the American economy was built on?

1418
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: In the Gilded age and all at that time. So

1419
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,959
Speaker 2: in many ways he reminds me of that. I'm sad

1420
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: to see him go, but we will. Of course, he's

1421
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: not gonna go out with a bang. We just saw

1422
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: a report that came across that no television networks are

1423
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: hiring George Santos unfortunately. Honestly for us, I would love

1424
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: to see it go at it now that he's totally unchanged.

1425
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have him here on the show's being.

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01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. I'm gonna send him an invite.

1427
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send him my god, if I can.

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01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: That'd be fun.

1429
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: All right, Just tell me by yourself, mister Devalder. We'll

1430
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: start there. What's your actual name? Who are you and

1431
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 2: what are you alleging? So anyway, it's gonna be fun.

1432
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Speaker 4: Indeed.

1433
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Speaker 1: All right, so you brought up TV news. We got

1434
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: some TV news updates here. MSNBC major shakeup of their

1435
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: weekend lineup, including the cancelation of Medi Hassan show. Let's

1436
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He confirmed it in

1437
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: a tweet. Yes, the Mehdi Hassan Show has ended on

1438
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: Peacock that's their streaming service, and we'll be ending on MSNBC.

1439
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: Next month, still a few weeks left. Thank you all

1440
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: for watching over the past three years. Going forward, I

1441
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: will serve as guest anchor across prime shows and beyond

1442
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: and as an on air political analyst. Goes on to say,

1443
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: thanks for the impouring of love and support, Thanks of

1444
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: course to my team. Humbled and appreciative. Not going anywhere,

1445
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: and you'll hear from me lots in twenty twenty four. Interesting, so,

1446
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: Mehdi is one of three Muslim anchors at MSNBC who

1447
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: have come in for quite a bit of scrutiny and

1448
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: criticism because of their descent in Israel's war on Gaza.

1449
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: We reported this, you know, this happened a while ago

1450
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the war. Put this up on

1451
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: the screen from semaphore. All three of those Muslim hosts

1452
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: were sidelined one after another, after the ADL had criticized

1453
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: them and after they had again expressed sort of dissenting

1454
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 1: views on the Israeli war on Gaza. MSNBC, they say,

1455
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: has quietly taken three of their Muslim broadcasters out of

1456
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: the anchor chair since Hamas's attack on Israel last Saturday,

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Speaker 1: amid America's wave of sympathy for Israeli terror victims. And

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Speaker 1: it also comes immediately after Mehdi did an interview with

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: a NETNYA Who spokesperson that listen if you guys aren't

1460
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: familiar with him, he's kind of famous for being a

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01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: really aggressive questioner grilling people in power. He's got done

1462
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: famous interviews with like John Bolton, et cetera. And so

1463
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: he had one of those interviews with a NETNA Who

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: spokesperson that we actually covered here because it revealed a

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Speaker 1: few new details about what happened and unfolded on October seventh.

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Speaker 1: In particular, here's a little bit of a taste of that.

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Speaker 12: Have you seen one picture of a single did Kamas

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Speaker 12: terrorist in the fighting in Gaza?

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Speaker 10: Not one? Is that.

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Speaker 14: US can control Kamas can control the information question?

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Speaker 3: And you said you would be brief.

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Speaker 5: I have haven't.

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Speaker 14: You're right, but I have seen lots of children with

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Speaker 14: my own lying eyes being pulled from the.

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Speaker 5: Robber because the pictures come.

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01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 14: US wants you to see exactly there also people.

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Speaker 5: Your government has killed.

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Speaker 14: You accept that right, you've killed children? Or do you deny?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 6: I do not.

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. First of all, you don't know

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 5: how those people died those two.

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 12: Wow.

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01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 4: First of all, we.

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Speaker 5: Don't want to see as you do.

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Speaker 14: Okay, say I agree with you.

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01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 14: We shouldn't blindly believe anything Hamas says. But why should

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,879
Speaker 14: we believe what your government says either. Your military spokesman

1490
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Speaker 14: on Monday pointed to an Arabic document in the basement

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Speaker 14: of a Gaza hospital and claimed it was a guardian

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01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 14: list on which every terrorist writes his name.

1493
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Speaker 5: But that was false.

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01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 14: It was just a calendar with the days of the

1495
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 14: week on it. Your colleague in the Prime Minister's Office,

1496
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 14: Orphia Gendelman, posted behind the scenes footage from a Lebanese

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Speaker 14: short film and claimed it was Palestinians in Gaza faking

1498
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 14: their own injuries. That tweet is still up a week later.

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Speaker 14: That is endless disinformation from your government, is it not?

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Speaker 15: So?

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 7: Now?

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: These clips frequently went viral on Twitter. But his show,

1503
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: like many other AMAZONBC shows, was not getting you know,

1504
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: exceptionally high ratings, was not doing all that well in

1505
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: the ratings. And so that's what Amasamy c is basically saying,

1506
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: is it's ratings issue. It's a cost cutting issue. I'll

1507
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: tell you you know what I'm hearing from people is

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Speaker 1: you know, the descent on Israel is part of the picture,

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01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: but the bigger picture is that he's also very like

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01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,440
Speaker 1: aggressive on social media in a way that is uncomfortable

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01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: for NBC executives as well. So do I think that

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01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: they're sending a bit of a message by canceling Medi's

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: show and you know, so publicly demoting him. Yes, do

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: I think it's like a variety of factors that went

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: into this.

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably true.

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01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: I think that is true. I will not cry for

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01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: Mehdi Hawson. I think he is a complete blowhard. He

1519
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: was a rush a Kate fanatic whenever he's on his

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 2: various shows, COVID freak whenever it came to going against

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01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: the lab leak theory and all this. I will quote

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01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: again from my good friend zed Jalani, having worked with Mehdi,

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 2: this is a pattern. He learns very little about a topic,

1524
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: goes one hundred percent full throttle with no nuance. He

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01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 2: plays to a partisan crowd and frequently makes elementary errors

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: like claiming that black people cannot vote.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy.

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: Now that said, I don't support him being canceled for

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: his views on Israel and Gaza My biggest problem that

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: comes from Mehdi is exactly this is he is a

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01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: fundamentalist in everything that he believes.

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 10: Now.

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01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: Is he a talented interviewer, Yes, But there's also a

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: very famous clip that people can go in can watch

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01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: of him talking about his at that time fundamentalist Islamic

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01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 2: views and how he viewed other people. Has he evolved

1537
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 2: or not. I have no idea, but it just is

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: demonstrative of the way he carries himself in public. And

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: what comes and hits for me was a video here

1540
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 2: that he did with Matt tayev on the Twitter files

1541
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 2: where he attempted to go after him. Let's take a

1542
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 2: listen your.

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 14: Own words, Matt, you crossed that line and must castle.

1544
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 15: The hilarity of this coming from MSNBC, which did nothing

1545
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 15: but vomit up fake Russia Gates stories that came straight

1546
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 15: from the FBI for six consecutive years that you guys

1547
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 15: still haven't apologized for.

1548
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 10: In that period.

1549
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 14: So I've got nothing to apologize. I'm asking you your words.

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 2: So Christal as I understand it, I'm on, how do

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01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: you say it? Amen?

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 3: Amen?

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: Will continue to be on the air. He will, I

1554
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: think he still have a prominent role with the network.

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 2: I think he's a far more responsible person whenever it

1556
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: comes to this conflict.

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: And I understand.

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 2: Look, you can think he's done a good job on

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01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: Gaza and all of that, but he is not a

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01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: person that I would want on my side, even in

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: terms of debating and holding up the record of the

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01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 2: Biden Administration's pushed some of the most ridiculous propaganda.

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is not somebody who I think should be spoken

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: up for as some sort of like paragon of being

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: truly independent I think on Gaza and on Israel specifically. Yes,

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01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: it's an issue where he may be quote unquote courageous

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to his colleagues, although I guess the

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: only fair rebuttal is that he's no worse than many

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01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 2: of his other msls.

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing is, are we better off with

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01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,520
Speaker 1: Mehdi Hassan on MSNBC or not? And I think undoubtedly

1573
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: the aspect of the job of interviewing powerful people and

1574
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: actually challenging them he is very good at. He is

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: very good at and I do think that that is

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: a major part of the reason and the fact that

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 1: those clips of him pushing power for people go viral

1578
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter is a major part of the reason that

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01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: he's main canceled. And it's not just on Israel and

1580
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: Palestein I went back. I actually just googled like many

1581
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: grills on YouTube because that's his thing.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

1583
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: He grilled John Bolton on Iraq and on war crimes.

1584
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: He grilled the US American US ambassador on hypocrisy with

1585
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: regards to war crimes in Yemen. He grilled Cedric Richmond

1586
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: a biden aid on healthcare failures. He grilled Bernie on

1587
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,839
Speaker 1: build back better. He stood up for Julian A. Sane,

1588
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: very unusual in the cable news landscape. He pressed Koreean

1589
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: Jean Pierre over Biden miministration failures. He pressed one of

1590
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: those Lincoln Project ghules about their failures as well. He

1591
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 1: criticized identity politics of hiring Lloyd Austin as the Secretary

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: of Defense after he had served on the Raytheon as

1593
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: a board member.

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying I agree with many on everything.

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01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: Lennie and I have had plenty of differences and have

1596
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: many disagreements that he would attest to as well. But

1597
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: is he being fired because he's bad at the job. No,

1598
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: he's being fired because of the part of the job

1599
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,919
Speaker 1: that he's actually good at, and also because he's apparently

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01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: not boring enough on Twitter. Now they're using Amen, who

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: I have known for a long time and respect very

1602
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: much as a journalist, and especially in Israel and Palestine,

1603
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: where he has a depth of knowledge, they're using him

1604
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: to basically be like, see, it's not about the fact.

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 4: That he's Muslim.

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: But you don't think that people get the message about

1607
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: how loud and aggressive you're allowed to be, how far

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: out of line you're allowed to step, especially when you're

1609
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: not a Rachel Maddow or you're not like their number

1610
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: one star or ratings skeetter. People are definitely getting that

1611
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: message loud and clear. And you know, it also isn't

1612
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: lost on me that you had that adl dude go

1613
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: on Morning Joe and accuse him and Aimin and Alan

1614
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: Belchi of like hamas talking points in this absolutely arrangeous thing.

1615
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: So I think that they felt like they needed to

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01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: do something to appease people who were accusing them of

1617
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,520
Speaker 1: being like Hammas propagandist.

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: I think I think that's fair.

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 2: I guess it's just you know what I think the

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01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 2: fundamental difference is is that he is somebody who assumes

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01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: the absolute worst faith of every single person who does

1622
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 2: not agree with him.

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01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: That's a gist that has not been my experience because

1624
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: many US disagree with me on Twitter and said it

1625
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: in an actually very respectful way of but especially it

1626
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 1: was on you know, this fraught thing about like, you know, economic,

1627
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: what was the thing that people economic insecurity that this

1628
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 1: was part of electing Trump. And he very much disagreed

1629
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: with that. He was like, no, it's the racism. And

1630
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, it's complex and you can't look at

1631
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: it economics and say and that's a very fraught issue.

1632
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: And he disagreed with me very respectfully without attacking my

1633
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: personal character.

1634
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 2: That has been my experience with the opposite, where I

1635
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: basically had to mute him because he constantly blew up

1636
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: me and zed for exactly actually on the same topic.

1637
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: So I think his orientation on whether you're a fellow

1638
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: liberal or like a fellow traveler or somebody who's opposed

1639
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 2: to him, and especially the type of what I perceive

1640
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 2: is identity politics and Islamism that he likes to justify

1641
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: and push here in America that stuff drives me absolutely.

1642
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 4: Give me an example.

1643
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean the video that he is that the video

1644
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: that shows him virally Okay, who cares?

1645
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: From how long?

1646
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 4: He's never opposi No, So it has nothing to do

1647
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 4: with it.

1648
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: This is about the character, about the person who we

1649
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,919
Speaker 2: are disagreeing with. I Actually, I'm pretty sure the disagreement

1650
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: him and I had was even before he was on MSNBC.

1651
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 2: But my point that remains here is about the way

1652
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,560
Speaker 2: that I think that he has approached most of his detractors,

1653
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 2: including people like Zed who actually also had to block him.

1654
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: So look, maybe all of this is a little bit

1655
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: too personal, but some of what Glenn Greenwell is brought up,

1656
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: let's go and put this up there, please up on

1657
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: the screen is and he makes this point. I think

1658
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: what you're saying MSNBC anonymously is denying that Mehdi's criticism

1659
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 2: of Israel had anything to do with his firing, insisting

1660
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 2: instead that it was due to.

1661
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: His almost invisible ratings.

1662
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: And Mehdi will not say Go to the next part,

1663
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: And this is where I'm curious what you think he says.

1664
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: It could be anything one would expect a journalist to provide.

1665
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 2: The explanation. But I guess Mehdi doesn't want to anger

1666
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: the corporate bosses, so he is staying quiet and then

1667
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: surmises that people would self respect would quit. So what

1668
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: is it like in this situation having worked inside the beast?

1669
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: Where like, what are the strictures that he would have

1670
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 2: around him? Where it like what is his non compete?

1671
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: Look at what is he allowed to do? What is

1672
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: he allowed to say?

1673
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely if he was going to speak

1674
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: out and quit right now, he would definitely have at

1675
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: the very least illegal fight on his hands. Okay, So

1676
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: it's not just about like I mean, listen, I think

1677
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to stay if he's indeed been canceled

1678
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: for effectively doing his job. Well, I do think that

1679
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: that is a difficult thing. I do think Meddi. You know,

1680
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: he was at the Intercept, then he moved over to AMSNBC.

1681
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: I think he wants to be in mainstream press and

1682
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: so that may factor into his decision making too.

1683
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, but but.

1684
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's they put you in a bind

1685
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: to make it so that it is very difficult to.

1686
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 4: Speak out against them.

1687
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: If you left, you'd have this long non compete, or

1688
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: you couldn't do anything for some period of time, or

1689
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: like I say, you have this huge legal battle on

1690
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: your hands, and you know, Tucker basically told Fox News

1691
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: to shove it. But Tucker also has a lot more money,

1692
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: is a lot more famous.

1693
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: I support Meddi going independent, I think is noncompetes or

1694
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: bs even if I don't like the guy. I think

1695
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: it's crazy that if he was canceled for this particular reason,

1696
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 2: but it also is a little bit of nature of

1697
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 2: the beast in terms of when you're working for this organization.

1698
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, what I would say is, ironically, I actually

1699
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 1: think that Mehdi would do a lot better independent, no question,

1700
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: because totally right the things he's doing at MSMBC, like MSNBC,

1701
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: audience is not all uninterested in holding Biden officials to

1702
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: a calendar standing up for Juliana Sange, So in that way,

1703
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: he may have been an awkward fit there, just based

1704
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: on this sort of small sycophantic audience that they've cultivated.

1705
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: And his clips do routinely go viral online, so he's

1706
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: sort of better at that game than he is necessarily

1707
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: at the cable news game. So I think if he

1708
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: did step out on his own. I think he could

1709
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: be successful.

1710
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: I think that maybe the reason why is, as you said,

1711
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,879
Speaker 2: he's famous for interviews.

1712
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 3: But Karine Jean Pierre is not going.

1713
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 4: On independent use that's right, That's exactly right.

1714
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 3: Or the Israeli president, it's not going. It's not gonna happen.

1715
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 2: So if he wants to remain famous for his interviews

1716
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: and all that, it is going to be tough. But

1717
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that just comes down to the

1718
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: nature of the beast for what he's doing. This, by

1719
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: the way, is why Cable was flawed and also inherently

1720
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: bad model.

1721
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 3: Yes, Bristol, what are you taking a look at?

1722
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: Well, we may never again see a headline that so

1723
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 1: perfectly encapsulates the US policy toward Israel's total war on Gaza.

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01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: US sends Israel two thousand pound bunker buster bombs for

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01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: Gaza war. After sending massive bombs artillery shells. US also

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: urges Israel to limit civilian casualties. What a sick joke

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: this all is at this point leaking to the US

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01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,480
Speaker 1: press how concerned you are about civilian deaths while expediting

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01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: shipments of the very weapons that Israel is used to

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01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: slaughter innocence on a scale that we have not seen

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01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: from a developed country in modern history. Every day, practically

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: every hour, we learn of some new fresh whore. Here

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01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: is one of the very latest. A journalist allowed into

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Speaker 1: a hospital that had been forcibly evacuated by the IDF

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01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: makes the most grizzly of discoveries. Four premature babies in

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Speaker 1: a state of unimaginable decay, their bodies eaten by worms

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01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: and mulled by stray dogs, after doctors were forced to

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Speaker 1: evacuate that facility. Now, the nurse responsible for their care

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01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: described the wrenching decision to leave them behind. In an

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: interview with The Washington Post. He said, quote, I felt

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01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: like I was leaving my own children behind. That nurse

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: took the baby he considered to be the strongest and

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01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: most able to survive without oxygen with him when they

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: were all forced to flee. That baby was then taken

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01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: to Al Shiva Hospital, which was rated mere days later. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want you to understand these atrocities and the many

1747
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: others we've witnessed in Israel's assault on Gaza.

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01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 4: They are not normal.

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01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: They are not the unavoidable cost of war. These babies

1750
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: and the other untold thousands of innocents who have died

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01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: are not collateral damage, tensional targets, and a new expos

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01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: by nine seventy two magazine lays out the exact strategy

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01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: that lies behind what can only be called a campaign

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01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: of all out terror. In this war, civilians and civilian

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01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: infrastructure of things like hospitals are targeted directly with the

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: explicit goal of shocking the population, and in a dystopian

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01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: flourish AI is being used to accelerate the carnage. Here

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01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: is that piece from nine to seven to two, a

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01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: mass assassination factory inside Israel's calculated bombing of Gaza. Now

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01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: when you look at today's videos of children buried under rubble,

1761
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: entire residential neighborhoods destroyed, lifeless bodies of babies in the

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01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: arms of grief stricken parents, keep these words in mind

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,799
Speaker 1: from one of nine seven to two sources quote, nothing

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01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: happens by accident. When a three year old girl is

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01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: killed in home in Gaza, it's because someone in the

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01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: army decided it was not a.

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01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,799
Speaker 4: Big deal for her to be killed.

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Speaker 1: Israel's periodic wars on Gaza have never been the beacon

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01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: of humanitarian war fighting that Israel's presented to the world,

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01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: but some of the minimal guardrails that did prevent mass

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01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: civilian death have been lifted in this current assault. This

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01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: is evident in Israel's overwhelming focus on two types of targets,

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: private residences and so called power targets, which are things

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01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: like hospitals, apartment buildings, infrastructure, and other key centers of

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Speaker 1: civil society. During the first five days of this war,

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01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 1: half of the targets that were bombs were quote unquote

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01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: power targets, and the goal of this bombing campaign was

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: not to eradicate Hamas, as Israel has claimed. Instead, the

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01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 1: goal was to quote create a shock that, among other things,

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01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: will reverberate powerfully and lead civilians to put pressure on

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: Hamas as. One source put it to nine seven to two.

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Speaker 1: Another source explained that the buildings only needed the most

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01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: remote connection to Hamas or Islamic Jihad to be targeted

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01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: for complete destruction. Quote if they would tell the whole

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01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: world that the Islamic Jihad offices on the tenth floor

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01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: are not important as a target, but that its existence

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01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: is a justification to bring down the entire high with

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01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: the aim of pressuring civilian families who live in it

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01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: in order to put pressure on terrorist organizations. This would

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01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: itself be seen as terrorism, so they do not say it.

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: In other words, terror is the explicit goal here. It's

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: the very same goal, by the way as Hamas on

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01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: October seventh, except in this instance it's terror by a

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01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: supposedly civilized nation state, armed to the teeth by the

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01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: world's superpower, and given diplomatic cover with zero red lines.

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Speaker 1: The attacks on these power targets have also stood out

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01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: for our unprecedented scale of civilian death. According to nine

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01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: seven to two. In prior wars, civilians were more consistently

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: warned ahead of bombings. The IDF would leaflet, they would

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: send messages. They would use a quote unquote roof knock

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01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: to warn the building was about to be attacked. They

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01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: would use drones then to even monitor civilian departures to

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01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: make sure people were living leaving. Not so in this war,

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01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: where many buildings have been bombed with no warning and

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01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: with hundreds of civilians still inside. Another major focus of

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01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: Israel's bombing campaign has been the private residences of low

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01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: level Hamas operatives. As one source who was unhappy with

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01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: this practice said quote. In the majority of cases, military

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01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: activity is not conducted from these targeted homes. I remember

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01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: thinking that it was like if Palestinian militants would bomb

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01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: all the private residences of our families when Israeli soldiers

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01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: go back to sleep at home on the weekend. The

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01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: blanket assault on these private homes, where many families were

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01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: still located, has been aided by a new AI tool

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 1: which uses algorithms to produce targets. According to the Guardian,

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01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: this has dramatically accelerated the IDs target generating capability from

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01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: fifty per year to one hundred per day.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: MOSS members who don't really mean anything live in homes

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01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: across Gaza, so they mark the home and bomb the

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: house and kill everyone there. Taken together, these reports thoroughly

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01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: demong the already preposterous idea that Israel was surgically targeting

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01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: Hamas No. Idaspokesperson Daniel Hagari was closer to the truth

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01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: when he said this quote. The emphasis is on damage,

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01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: not on accuracy. These are the tactics that the US

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01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: government is meekly protesting as the bombing campaign now moves

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01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: to the south, where most of Gaza's two point two million.

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01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 4: Residents have been forced to flee.

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01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: Already hundreds of Palestinian has been killed in that renewed assault.

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01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: If this bombing of six residential high rises and communists

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01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: is any indication, the focus on destroying power targets to

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01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: terrorize the entire population remains firmly in place. And the

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01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: truth is, the Israeli government can't be so stupid as

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: to think that any of this is actually in the

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Speaker 1: long term security interests of Israel. To think that massacring

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Speaker 1: children by the thousands is going to lead the palastating

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01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: population to turn on Hamas, It will not lead the

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01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: population to turn on Hamas. It will certainly lead some

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01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: of the population to turn into Hamas or to embrace

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01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: other groups advocating violent armed resistance. No, the real goal

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01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: is to put on a show for the Jewish Israeli public,

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01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent of whom do not believe the idea

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01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: has been brutal enough, and only one point eight percent

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Speaker 1: of whom believe that they have gone too far. The

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01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 1: real goal is a last ditch attempt by Bibi to

1846
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: stay in power by showing just what a monster he

1847
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: can be, to satisfy a monstrous public appetite for death

1848
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: and destruction. As one source explained to nine seven two,

1849
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: there is a feeling that senior officials in the army

1850
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: are aware of their failure in October seventh, and they

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01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: are busy with the question of how to provide the

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01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,879
Speaker 1: Israeli public with an image of victory that will salvage

1853
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: their reputation. Apparently, that sought after image of victory is

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01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: that of decomposing babies left to suffocate and starve in

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: a power target also known as a hospital.

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Speaker 4: Real tough guys, and so soccer.

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Speaker 2: These are the details, and if you want to hear

1858
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 2: my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

1859
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 2: at Breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit more about bb

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Speaker 1: Neetnahun what he might be thinking in this moment. So

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01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: excited to welcome Scott Horton. He's with the Libertarian Institute

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Speaker 1: and also Anti War dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you, sir, Good to see you man.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me both of you.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with this. Put this news article up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. We mentioned this early from the intercept.

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Speaker 1: They're reporting Netanyahu's goal for Gaza quote thinn population to

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Speaker 1: a minimum. He has apparently tasked one of his top

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Speaker 1: advisors with coming up with a plan to quote unquote

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01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: thin the population and pressure of the US to go

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Speaker 1: along with this plan. Scott, I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: you because you have sort of studied net Nyahu and

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Speaker 1: his political ideology and how he's operated for.

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Speaker 4: A long time.

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Speaker 1: So when you see a headline like that, what is

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Speaker 1: your reaction to it? And you know how does this

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01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: dovetail with net Nyaho's political ideology throughout his career.

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01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, just with the last thing first there,

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Speaker 7: I think this represents the complete failure of the net

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01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 7: Nyahu doctrine in his Panic He has to keep the

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Speaker 7: war going as long as he can to stay in office,

1883
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 7: and he has to try to figure out how to

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01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 7: make his legacy as the longest serving prime minister in

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01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 7: Israeli history be anything other than the catastrophe of October

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01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 7: the seventh, and so he's got to come up with something.

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01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 7: And this is his brilliant idea is he's going to

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Speaker 7: cleanse the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 5: All this talk about targeting.

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Speaker 7: Hamas you've been talking out of both sides of their

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01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 7: mouths for two months now, right, Eh, maybe we'll just

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01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 7: get rid of all the Palestinians. And then they go, no,

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01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 7: we're just targeting the bad guys, and we're real sorry

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01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 7: if some medicine civilians getting the way, but not that sorry,

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01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 7: but it is what it is.

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Speaker 5: And then they go, not, but we really want to kick.

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Speaker 7: Them all out into the Sinai Peninsula or then I

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01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 7: can't even believe this.

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Speaker 5: This is just this alone is world history.

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Speaker 7: That the Wall Street Journal published an article by two

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01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 7: Israeli ministers saying you take them yep, And I mean.

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Speaker 5: This is just incredible.

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01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 7: And they've leaked all various kind of trial balloons saying, yeah,

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01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 7: we'll give twenty five thousand to all different countries all

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01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 7: around the world. You say, love the Palestinians so much,

1906
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 7: why won't you help us cleanse them off of their land?

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01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 7: And so this is I guess supposed to be Net

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01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 7: Nyahu's big accomplishment. So you can go down in history

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01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 7: as anything other than the guy who's doctrine, the official

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01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 7: Net and Yahoo doctrine completely blew up in that society's face.

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Speaker 5: On October the seventh.

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Speaker 2: Scott Darryl Cooper, our mutual friend, recommended that I talked

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01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: to you, and whenever Daryl tells me that you're a

1914
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 2: guy who's gone really deep on this, I'm like, he

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01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 2: knows the ins and outs and so something. I'm curious,

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01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: as you talked about the Netanyahoo doctrine, if you could

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Speaker 2: take a step back about Netta Yahoo, his relationship to

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01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 2: hamas to Palestinian statehood going back throughout his career, and

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01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: how a lot of it had culminated not only with

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Speaker 2: October seventh, but with the policy that they're moving towards

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean, what the heck.

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Speaker 7: I'll go back to nineteen ninety six when he first

1924
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 7: was Prime Minister, a guy who ended up being Dick

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01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 7: Cheney's guy, David Wormser, along with Richard Pearl, probably the

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Speaker 7: most powerful of the neo conservatives of the first w

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Speaker 7: Bush term era. These guys in Douglas fight, they wrote

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Speaker 7: a plan called a clean Break and it was for

1929
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 7: net Yahoo and what it said was, we want regime

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Speaker 7: change in Iraq in order to weaken Iran, Syria and

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Speaker 7: has Bala so that we don't have to live up

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Speaker 7: to the Oslo Accord and give the Palestinians their state.

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Speaker 5: And the thinking is completely crazy.

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Speaker 7: But the idea was that if Israel and or America

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Speaker 7: could do a coup or ultimately a war in Iraq,

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Speaker 7: that Jordan and Turkey would be dominant in Syria, and

1937
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Speaker 7: then they would force the Shiai clergy in Najaf to

1938
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Speaker 7: force Hasbala to stop being friends with Iran and be

1939
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Speaker 7: nice to Israel instead, and then once the pressure on

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Speaker 7: Israel's northern front is relieved, then they won't have to

1941
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Speaker 7: deal in good faith with the Palestinians and negotiate over

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Speaker 7: the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, so as in

1943
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Speaker 7: the deal and their sworn promises. So this is the

1944
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Speaker 7: whole point of the Iraq war, of a Rock War

1945
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 7: two was to help Israel so they wouldn't have to

1946
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Speaker 7: give justice to the Palestinians.

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Speaker 5: And so you know Netnyahu was and in.

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Speaker 7: Fact, he later was caught on candid camera and anyone

1949
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Speaker 7: can watch this on YouTube bragging about how he fooled

1950
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Speaker 7: Bill Clinton at why and had promised he's going to

1951
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Speaker 7: make these concessions toward a Palestinian state. But haha, area

1952
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Speaker 7: see is two thirds of the whole thing, sucker, and

1953
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Speaker 7: all this he talks all about it, and he says Americans,

1954
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Speaker 7: eighty percent of American support US. It's absurd. America is

1955
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Speaker 7: easily moved. They'll do whatever I tell them. And so

1956
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Speaker 7: then Sharon was Prime minister from I guess two thousand

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Speaker 7: or very early oh one or very late two thousand

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Speaker 7: through five when he had his stroke, or late o

1959
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 7: five when he had his stroke. So Sharon had this doctrine.

1960
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Speaker 7: He was also lakued with net Yahou, although they ended

1961
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 7: up splitting and he created his own party, Kadema. But

1962
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 7: he had a policy which avowedly at the time, was

1963
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Speaker 7: sabotage of the peace process.

1964
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Speaker 5: They called the disengagement.

1965
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Speaker 7: And you'll hear pro israel Hawks all the time say, gee,

1966
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Speaker 7: we gave him a Palestinian state and the Gaza Strip

1967
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Speaker 7: and all we got in return is rockets. Well that's

1968
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Speaker 7: just not true. They withdrew, but they didn't end the occupation.

1969
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 7: Israel kept complete and total control of the Gaza Strip. Essentially,

1970
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Speaker 7: they just took the warden and the prison guards and

1971
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 7: moved them to the outer perimeter, but still a prison

1972
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Speaker 7: as nothing like a sovereign state.

1973
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Speaker 5: Is kept total control over their.

1974
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Speaker 7: Airspace, their borders, their taxation, the revenue, their fishing, rights offshore,

1975
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 7: every single thing the occupation didn't end. And in fact,

1976
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 7: I'll urge your audience to google these terms. That'll come

1977
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Speaker 7: right up. There's no mistake in it. It's aerial Sharon

1978
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 7: for maldehyde. And that's of course the preservative that you

1979
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 7: use for corpses right when you're preparing them for burial.

1980
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Speaker 7: And so the quote is from Dove Weist Glass. It's

1981
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Speaker 7: Dove with no e, Dove Weissglass, and he worked for Sharona,

1982
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,520
Speaker 7: an advisor to Sharona, and he's explained to Hiretz. The withdrawal,

1983
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 7: this is again the two thousand and five so called disengagement.

1984
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 7: The withdrawal is for maldehyde. It puts the peace process

1985
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 7: in for maldehyde. It means that with the Palestinians divided

1986
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 7: and conquered, those in charge in Gaza, they can't resort

1987
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Speaker 7: to participation in any international organizations or any kind of negotiation.

1988
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 7: And we can say, in fact, he says, with the

1989
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Speaker 7: blessing of the Congress and the President, we got a

1990
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 7: no one to talk to certificate, you know, like they

1991
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 7: always say that.

1992
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Speaker 5: We just have no partner for peace.

1993
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 7: Well, we have no one to talk to certificate, and

1994
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 7: we won't have to talk to them until Gaza becomes Norway,

1995
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Speaker 7: meaning I guess a very polite and harmless and non

1996
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Speaker 7: violent society.

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Speaker 5: In other words, never. And then so.

1998
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Speaker 7: Ahud Olmert was in there in the meantime between Sharon

1999
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Speaker 7: and net Yahoo, and he was a bit less worse

2000
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 7: than the two of them, although he was Sharon's guy,

2001
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 7: But he didn't really make any progress, you know, while

2002
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 7: he was in there toward any real negotiations. And then

2003
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 7: when Netanyah who came in the Net and Yahoo doctrine

2004
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 7: basically goes like this. He was coming into a situation

2005
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 7: where all of the Sunni kings of the Arabian Peninsula,

2006
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 7: all them sock puppets of the American Empire. Essentially, they

2007
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 7: had promised that they would never normalize relations with Israel

2008
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 7: until the Palestinians got an independent state, and the Saudis

2009
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 7: had put forward their peace plan a very reasonable one

2010
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 7: in two thousand and two and had repeatedly suggested that

2011
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 7: I think in two thousand and seven it was the

2012
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 7: basis of the Annapolis talks, possibly anyway, very reasonable proposals

2013
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 7: for a two state solution. But then Donald Trump's son

2014
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 7: in law, Jared Kushner figured out that no, everybody's got

2015
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 7: a price, and the American people can afford to borrow

2016
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 7: enough from South Korea or somebody to pay it. And

2017
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 7: so what we're going to do is we're going to

2018
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 7: give bahrain F sixteen's, we're going to give uae F

2019
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 7: thirty five, We're going to forgive Sudanese a debt, and

2020
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,520
Speaker 7: we're gonna the Trump administration is going to recognize Morocco's

2021
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:59,560
Speaker 7: seizure of northern western Sahara. And with these bribes and

2022
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 7: then they're work on Saudi Arabia. These are called the

2023
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 7: Abraham Accords. And with these bribes, what they did was

2024
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 7: they succeeded in getting the Sunni sock puppet GCC kingdom

2025
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 7: regimes to go ahead and normalize relations with Israel, which

2026
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 7: on the surface is great. That's what we want is

2027
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 7: every nation to get along, open trade, lower and lower tariffs,

2028
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Speaker 7: and more and more commercial relationships and fewer and fewer

2029
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Speaker 7: political relationships so that everybody in the world can get along.

2030
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Speaker 7: That's fine, but what it was really about was screwing

2031
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 7: the Palestinians. It was saying, you're not going to get

2032
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Speaker 7: your independent state and you are not going to get

2033
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Speaker 7: independent citizenship in one state or in any kind of

2034
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Speaker 7: bi national state. You lose and people can go and

2035
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 7: look at Nettyanhu's speech that he gave to the United

2036
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Speaker 7: Nations just two weeks before the October seventh attack, where

2037
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Speaker 7: he holds up a piece of paper, he shows the map.

2038
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Speaker 5: He's always got some visual aid.

2039
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Speaker 7: This time he shows the map of one state from

2040
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Speaker 7: the river to the sea. There's no carved out piece

2041
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Speaker 7: of the west Bank or Gaza there.

2042
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Speaker 5: And what he's saying is that's it we want.

2043
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Speaker 7: The Netnyahoo doctrine has proved that I do not have

2044
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 7: to negotiate with the Palestinians. I do not have to

2045
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Speaker 7: concede citizenship rights or independence to them, and I can

2046
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 7: get what I want anyway. And the Palestinians they're just

2047
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 7: going to have to get used to living on their bellies.

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Speaker 1: And can you talk a little bit about these quotes

2049
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Speaker 1: that have been attributed to Nannyahoo talking about Hamas, where

2050
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Speaker 1: he says anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of

2051
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring

2052
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Speaker 1: money to Hamas. He also said reportedly this is part

2053
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Speaker 1: of our strategy to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from

2054
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: the Palestinians in the West Bank. Can you put those

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Speaker 1: quotes in context for us?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's the other half of the Ntnyahu

2057
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 7: doctrine right there. So the first part is we want

2058
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 7: to essentially get over the hurdle of dealing with the

2059
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 7: Palestinians in order to make a deal with the Sunni

2060
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,839
Speaker 7: Arab states. And then the other half was making sure

2061
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 7: that mackmood A Boss, who you know Donald Trump talked

2062
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 7: about like, oh, he's such a nice old grandpa. He

2063
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 7: doesn't come across like Yasir Arafat even much less Hamas right,

2064
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 7: And so that's a real problem from La Koud's point

2065
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 7: of view.

2066
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Speaker 5: They don't even care as much about gossip.

2067
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 7: They want that West Bank, that land, and the Palestinians there,

2068
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 7: they're just in the way. We're gonna have to figure

2069
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 7: that out later. Right now, it's facts on the ground.

2070
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 7: But if the consensus in America and Europe and what

2071
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 7: passes for the left in Israel is that no, we

2072
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,520
Speaker 7: have to deal with mackmood A Boss and the Palestinian

2073
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 7: authority and give them a two state solution like in

2074
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 7: the promise, then that ruins the net and Yahoo doctrine.

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01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 5: They want that land.

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Speaker 7: So in order to prevent that, Net Yahu essentially accelerated

2077
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 7: that aerial Sharon policy. Now, just for time, I'll skip this,

2078
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 7: but I'll drop a great footnote for you, okay, that

2079
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 7: everybody knows there was the election of six where Hamas

2080
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 7: want a plurality, not a majority, seventeen years ago. And

2081
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 7: then there's a great article called the Gaza Bombshell.

2082
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:05,599
Speaker 5: You got to read.

2083
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 7: It has quotes from David Wormser telling the truth about

2084
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 7: it in there Eden.

2085
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 5: It's incredible.

2086
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 7: It's the Gaza Bombshell by David Rose, and it's about

2087
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 7: how they tried to do a coup against Hamas after

2088
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 7: the election in favor of the PA, but that blew

2089
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 7: up and failed, and that was how Hamas took over

2090
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 7: the strip. And that was, of course before Netnyahu came back.

2091
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 7: That was during a hoot Olmert. But then when net

2092
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 7: Yahoo came back, he decided, this is great, just like

2093
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 7: with formaldehyde, and the Palestinians divided and conquered. Now they're

2094
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 7: divided and conquered. Plus now not only are they divided,

2095
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 7: geographically in this way. But now you have Hamas in

2096
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 7: control of Gaza and the PA in the West Bank.

2097
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 7: And so if anyone ever says it's time for you

2098
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 7: guys to negotiate with the PA, they can point at

2099
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 7: Hamas in Gaza and say, nope, we have no partner

2100
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 7: for peace.

2101
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 5: You don't expect us to negotiate with these terrorists, do you.

2102
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Speaker 7: And so there's the one famous quote that you just

2103
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 7: read there, Crystal, comes from Net Yahoo briefing the leaders

2104
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 7: of the Likud party in the Knesset. And again the

2105
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 7: quote is we have to bolster Hamas. He says, transfer

2106
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 7: them money, and that means pressure and cutter to transfer

2107
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 7: the money basically, and in order to what to quote,

2108
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 7: to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state. And now

2109
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 7: here's what you do. You go to antiwar dot com

2110
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 7: slash Scott because I collect these quotes like hot wheels, okay,

2111
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 7: and I got about ten or twelve of them for

2112
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 7: you from not just Net and Yahoo, but Bezileel Smatrich,

2113
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 7: who is his finance minister, who says the PA is

2114
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 7: a liability, Hamas is an asset. He says, in this

2115
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 7: game of de legitimization. Hamas is an asset. They can't

2116
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 7: go to the UN, they can't go to the International

2117
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 7: Criminal Court. They we can't put us in a situation

2118
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Speaker 7: where we might need the US to come and veto

2119
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Speaker 7: a resolution against us.

2120
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Speaker 5: They can't do nothing.

2121
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 7: And the more we have Hamas to point at, then

2122
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 7: the better situation we're in. And he even was the

2123
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 7: question even was, yeah, but isn't Hamas dangerous?

2124
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 5: And he ends with yeah, I don't think we need

2125
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 5: to worry about that.

2126
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 7: Just like net and Yahuu in that quote that you

2127
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 7: read there, Crystal ends with don't worry.

2128
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 5: We control the height of the flames.

2129
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 7: And because of this imperial hubris, that's what reached out

2130
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,640
Speaker 7: and got them on October the seventh. They thought that

2131
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 7: they had this perfectly in hand, as long as we

2132
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 7: have these good little pet terrorists in Gaza to point

2133
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 7: at and scapegoat and say we have no partner for peace.

2134
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 7: Everybody repeat after me, we have no partner for peace.

2135
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 7: See the alliteration. There are two p words. You know

2136
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 7: it's true, we have no partner for peace. And you

2137
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 7: can memorize it and you can repeat it so you

2138
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 7: know it's right. And it's some of the most successful

2139
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 7: hasbara probably in history in fact.

2140
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so true, man, drop a knowledge here, Scott Horden,

2141
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Speaker 2: You've given us an incredible amount of background here sir.

2142
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Speaker 2: Where can people find out more about your work? Just

2143
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 2: anti war dot com slash Scott.

2144
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Speaker 7: Yes, so that's my latest piece and my latest two

2145
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 7: pieces about the current war at anti ward dot com

2146
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 7: slash Scott, and I do have all of all the

2147
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 7: best quotes of Lakud talking about why they really deliberately

2148
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 7: pursued this policy of supporting Hamas. It's called net Yahu's

2149
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 7: support for Hamas backfired. And I'm also the director of

2150
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Speaker 7: the Libertarian Institute and it happens to be our fund

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Speaker 7: drive right now. If you like what you hear, folks,

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Speaker 7: libertariansuit dot org slash donate And I'm the author of

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Speaker 7: the book enough already Time to end the war on terrorism?

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Speaker 3: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: We will have a link to all those in the description.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you taking your time, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think this is the last we we'll see if you, sir,

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Speaker 2: So thank.

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Speaker 4: You, Thanks Scott, great, appreciate our pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see you guys later. We got a great

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Speaker 2: show for everybody Tomorrow,