WEBVTT - I Dream Of Djinniya

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<v Speaker 1>M Welcome to the Hidden Gin a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minkey. A

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<v Speaker 1>brief morning before we get into this episode. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>includes language and refers to sexuality and sexual practices that

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<v Speaker 1>may be triggering or too mature for young audiences. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, I often get a bit uneasy with stories

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<v Speaker 1>about female gin and other kinds of malevolent female entities,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no escaping the reality that historically women have

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<v Speaker 1>often warned the blame for things that go wrong in

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<v Speaker 1>a family or a community. If a couple can't have children,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because the wife is barren. If a husband goes astray,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because a wife couldn't keep them happy. Even if

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<v Speaker 1>a region is experiencing drought, somehow women managed to get blamed.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't believe me, just a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>a Texas assemblywoman tweeted the Texas was in a long

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<v Speaker 1>period of drought until the governor signed an anti abortion law. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that was only one person, but she was just reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of sentiments that have existed for centuries. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why when I read about the kinds of terrible

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<v Speaker 1>things that female monsters are said to do. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but wonder maybe these stories just to mirror deeply

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<v Speaker 1>misogynistic attitudes about women in general. But then there's also

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<v Speaker 1>this possibility that maybe stories of powerful, supernatural female entities

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<v Speaker 1>are actually projections of the power and ability. Women wish

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<v Speaker 1>they had the power to control their lives and bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>the power to exact revenge on those who hurt them,

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<v Speaker 1>the power to strike error into societies that really help,

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<v Speaker 1>no fear of them or respect for them. Maybe these

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<v Speaker 1>stories are a warning of what could be unleashed if

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<v Speaker 1>and when there's finally a reckoning. My name is Robbia Chaudhry,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll be your guide into the world of the

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<v Speaker 1>Hidden Gin. Welcome. You could say that vampires have come

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<v Speaker 1>a long way today. There are dozens of books, films,

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<v Speaker 1>and TV shows that have sort of endeared them to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Vampire comedies like What We Do in the Shadows are

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<v Speaker 1>a big hit, and thanks to the Twilight series, an

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<v Speaker 1>entire generation of young people are open to vampire love affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I swear there's an entire section of vampire why

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<v Speaker 1>a lit in every bookstore I've ever been to. Vampires

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of cool, right, now they didn't, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>start out that way. The myth of creatures that crave

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<v Speaker 1>and survive on blood goes back thousands of years, is

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<v Speaker 1>found in nearly every culture, but seems to hail not

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<v Speaker 1>from Europe but from further east. The earliest evidence we

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<v Speaker 1>have of any belief in blood suckers are shards of

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<v Speaker 1>Persian pottery dating back about four thousand years depicting demons

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<v Speaker 1>trying to drink the blood of men. We find from

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<v Speaker 1>the same region the tales of La must Do, a

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<v Speaker 1>word that means quote, she who erases in the language

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<v Speaker 1>spoken in ancient Assyria and Babylonia, La must Do was

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<v Speaker 1>a demonus, a monster that killed babies in the womb,

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<v Speaker 1>and that attacked healthy young men, sucking their blood and

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<v Speaker 1>rendering them infertile. Her image was as terrifying as her reputation.

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<v Speaker 1>She had the head of a woman, the body of

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<v Speaker 1>a beast, serpents in each hand, and suckled a dog

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<v Speaker 1>and a pig at her bosom. And there's not that

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<v Speaker 1>much distance between the legends about La must Do and

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<v Speaker 1>a horrifying she demon found in Jewish lore. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>may be wondering what any of these demonists has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with gin. But remember, the Gin are older than

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<v Speaker 1>human history, and they take on any in every form.

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<v Speaker 1>What one culture now calls a gin has been called

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<v Speaker 1>by many other names and other cultures, and in Jewish tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>we have evidence of belief in a creature that lines

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<v Speaker 1>up neatly with the Gin, the shed Them, which North

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<v Speaker 1>African Jews also referred to with euphemisms such as tata

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<v Speaker 1>the yellna our counterparts underground, or Jarndellna, our neighbors. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the Talmud, the shed them have attributes of both

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<v Speaker 1>angels and humans. In three ways, they are as angels.

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<v Speaker 1>They have wings like angels, fly from one end of

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<v Speaker 1>the world to the other like angels, and they know

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<v Speaker 1>what will be in the future like angels. And in

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<v Speaker 1>three ways they are as humans. They eat and drink

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<v Speaker 1>like humans, they multiply like humans, and they die like humans.

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<v Speaker 1>He won't be surprised to learn that the shed Them

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<v Speaker 1>live in dank, dirty and desolate places, with a particular

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<v Speaker 1>fondness for bathrooms, and that they can shape shift, changing

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<v Speaker 1>their appearance in any way they want, with one exception

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<v Speaker 1>they can't change their feet. Now these descriptions should ring

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<v Speaker 1>a Bell if you've heard our previous episodes, including the

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<v Speaker 1>first one in which we talked about Ashmodai, the mighty

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<v Speaker 1>demon Jin that King Solomon brought under his control. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the Talmud, Ashmodai was a shed Dim, and that

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<v Speaker 1>takes us back to one of many Jin origin stories.

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<v Speaker 1>In this story, the shed them were created from the

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<v Speaker 1>union of a demonus and the first man, Adam, and

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<v Speaker 1>that demonus is Lilith. Lilith has a rich Semitic history.

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<v Speaker 1>You might even call her the original vamp hire of

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish lore, and she is well documented in Rabbinic literature

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<v Speaker 1>as having been the intended ride of Adam. Some stories

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<v Speaker 1>say that Adam rejected her because she refused to be

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<v Speaker 1>a subservient sexual partner. Lilith believed that she and Adam

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<v Speaker 1>were created equal, and for that he rejected her. Full

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<v Speaker 1>of despair and indignation, Lilith abandoned Adam in heaven and

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<v Speaker 1>dove to Earth, fleeing deep into the ocean in a

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<v Speaker 1>complete rage. She didn't stay in the ocean, though. Three

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<v Speaker 1>angels were sent after her to coax her back, and

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<v Speaker 1>they found her by the Red Sea, where she was

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<v Speaker 1>a mating with other fallen Gin and bearing baby demons

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<v Speaker 1>and Isaiah. The Bible speaks of a dark wilderness, and

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<v Speaker 1>there wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat demons shall call

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. There, too, Lilith shall repose and find

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<v Speaker 1>a place to rest. Lilith was not about to return

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<v Speaker 1>with the angels, though she told them, I was created

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<v Speaker 1>only to cause sickness to infants, and I am the

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<v Speaker 1>sworn enemy of pregnant women. The angels responded, we won't

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<v Speaker 1>let you go until you accept upon yourself that each day,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred of your children will die. Lilith accepted the condition,

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<v Speaker 1>and for that reason, one hundred demons die every day,

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<v Speaker 1>but Lilith, who is immortal, can easily replace them, and

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<v Speaker 1>is thus considered by some to be the mother of

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<v Speaker 1>all gin. Lilith is also known to have a sexual

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<v Speaker 1>appetite that is never satisfied, which certainly helps with the

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<v Speaker 1>baby demon making pursuits. She took on many demonic lovers,

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<v Speaker 1>and some say she made it with Satan himself, But

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<v Speaker 1>along with her demon lovers, she sometimes chooses mortal lovers,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet another legend says she came across a mortal

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<v Speaker 1>wandering in the wilderness. Some one who had just murdered

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<v Speaker 1>his brother. It was Kane, the son of Adam, who

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<v Speaker 1>killed his brother Abel. Lilith showed Kine the life power

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<v Speaker 1>of blood, and they became lovers together, birthing hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>dark souls, which is pretty sinister but ingenious revenge by

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<v Speaker 1>Lilith against Adam, the man who rejected her. Other tales

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<v Speaker 1>say that Lilith became the wife of the demon king Ashmadai.

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<v Speaker 1>Lilith was you see among the legions of Gin that

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<v Speaker 1>King Solomon took command over with his magical ring, which

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<v Speaker 1>he used to force the Gin to present themselves before him.

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<v Speaker 1>She appeared before him as a female figure with no limbs,

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<v Speaker 1>just a head and a torso, her hair ratty and ragged.

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<v Speaker 1>He commanded her to tell him who she was and

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<v Speaker 1>what she did, and she responded, By night, I sleep

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<v Speaker 1>not but go my rounds over all the world and

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<v Speaker 1>visit women in childbirth and diving. The hour I take

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<v Speaker 1>my stand, and if I am lucky, I strangle the child.

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<v Speaker 1>But if not, I retire to another place, for I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot a single night retire unsuccessful. And now hither Now

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<v Speaker 1>thither I roam, and to western parts I go my rounds.

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<v Speaker 1>But as it is, though thou hast sealed me round

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<v Speaker 1>with the ring of God, thou hast done nothing. I

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<v Speaker 1>am not standing before thee, and thou wilt not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to command me, for I have no work other

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<v Speaker 1>than the destruction of children, and making of their ears

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<v Speaker 1>to be deaf, and the working of evil to their eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the binding of their mouths with a bond, and

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<v Speaker 1>the ruin of their minds, and the painting of their bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>So while King Solomon was able to bind her for

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<v Speaker 1>a time, she eventually, like all the king's other enslaved jins,

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<v Speaker 1>found her freedom when he died, and she went right

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<v Speaker 1>back to hunting children. You might say Lilith really holds

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<v Speaker 1>a grudge like the she demon La must do. Lilith

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<v Speaker 1>is a sworn baby killer. Lilith doesn't even wait for

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<v Speaker 1>a baby's birth to begin attack King it. Her attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to harm human children begin when the child is in

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<v Speaker 1>the mother's womb, causing miscarriages and stillbirths, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>survive that, she pursues their debts for weeks after they're born,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes causing them to fall sick and die, and other

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<v Speaker 1>times strangling them in a jealous rage, and in one

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<v Speaker 1>final act of revenge against mankind, Lilith also visits unwitting

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<v Speaker 1>men at night as they sleep, sexually violating them to

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<v Speaker 1>steal their seed and bear more demon children. You may

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<v Speaker 1>have heard of this creature the succubus. Turns out, that's

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<v Speaker 1>just Lilith. Unfortunately we can't escape Lilith. While women have

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<v Speaker 1>worn amulets and tied talisman and prayers around their babies

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<v Speaker 1>for protection against this Gin, these are flimsy guardians against

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<v Speaker 1>this vengeful spirit, and so this dance of revenge will

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<v Speaker 1>go on for eternity, because unlike other Gin, Lilith is immortal.

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<v Speaker 1>Lilith doesn't stand alone though. In the Jewish cosmology of

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<v Speaker 1>female demon gin, she's accompanied by three sisters, Nama, Agrith,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mahalath, who is said to be the queen of

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<v Speaker 1>the demons and married to the demon king Ashmadi. There is,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, a confusing intersection of all these female

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<v Speaker 1>and male Gin, a lot of hooking up between them. Imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, a reality show where everyone has been

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<v Speaker 1>sexually involved with everyone else, kind of like a terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey Shore, just with lots of death and destruction, and

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<v Speaker 1>in all of these stories, the female gin often seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have one mission, making lots of demon babies, and

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<v Speaker 1>that requires a lot of getting it on with other demons.

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<v Speaker 1>But these ladies don't just stick to one man. They

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<v Speaker 1>hook up with really anyone they please. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>surprising that Lilith has in more recent times become a

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<v Speaker 1>symbol of women's sexual freedom and independence, although that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a hard cell given her baby killing tendencies.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Lilith and her sisters inspired real life women

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<v Speaker 1>to claim power over their bodies, the opposite might be

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<v Speaker 1>true in the story of a real life Moroccan noblewoman

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<v Speaker 1>that has inspired the tales of a powerful female jin

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Aisha Candiya. According to one fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century legend, Aisha was a beautiful Moroccan woman from the

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<v Speaker 1>El Jadida region, which was at the time occupied by

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<v Speaker 1>the Portuguese. Her husband, part of the resistance, was killed

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<v Speaker 1>at the hands of Portuguese soldiers, and she vowed to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the rest of her life getting vengeance. In other

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the tale, Aisha herself was part of the resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>a warrior who one by one killed enemy soldiers Aisha

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<v Speaker 1>used her beauty to seduce a suspecting soldiers and officers

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<v Speaker 1>into dark corners where she could get them into compromising

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<v Speaker 1>and vulnerable positions. Once she had them where she wanted them,

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<v Speaker 1>she would pull out a long knife kept hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>her robes, slip their throats, and savagely mutilate their bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>She killed so many soldiers and was so elusive that

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<v Speaker 1>the occupiers started fearing her. Some even said she wasn't human.

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<v Speaker 1>She couldn't be given the things she was able to do,

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't capture her. So in order to punish Aisha,

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<v Speaker 1>the Portuguese executed her entire family, which caused her to

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<v Speaker 1>flee into the jungle, overtaken by madness. But she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>stay in the jungle. Instead, they say, she began to

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<v Speaker 1>attack locals, young men in particular, and devour them. The

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<v Speaker 1>Aisha that was once a hero against the Portuguese had

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<v Speaker 1>now turned into a monster against her own people. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was this depravity that over the centuries, gave rise

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<v Speaker 1>to Aisha Condita the Jin know to every little and

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<v Speaker 1>girl in the region. Even today, she's so feared that

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<v Speaker 1>the mere mention of her name is forbidden because it

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<v Speaker 1>might invite her into your world. Some say that Aisha

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<v Speaker 1>Kandija the Jin is much more ancient than the fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century figure, that her very lineage is from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the seven great kings of the Jinn, schem Harush himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Other scholars and historians believe the legend of Aisha Kandija

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<v Speaker 1>hails to Canaanite cults whose temples included women called the

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<v Speaker 1>Kadeshah known as sacred prostitutes. Now, the practice of sacred prostitution,

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately much more common in history and across different societies,

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<v Speaker 1>going back as far as six thousand b c. Was

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<v Speaker 1>framed as an act of worship and even female sexual empowerment.

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<v Speaker 1>But here is a description of the practice as relaid

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<v Speaker 1>by the ancient Greek historian Herodotus. It compels every woman

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<v Speaker 1>of the land to sit in the temple of Aphrodity

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<v Speaker 1>and have intercourse with stranger at least once in her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Once a woman has taken her place there, she does

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<v Speaker 1>not go away to her home before some stranger has

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<v Speaker 1>cast money into her lap and had intercourse with her

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<v Speaker 1>outside the temple. It does not matter what some of

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<v Speaker 1>the money is. The woman will never refuse for that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a sin, the money being by this act

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<v Speaker 1>made sacred, so she follows the first man who casts

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<v Speaker 1>it and rejects no one. After their intercourse, having discharged

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<v Speaker 1>her sacred duty to the goddess, she goes away to

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<v Speaker 1>her home. Now, the question of empowerment of these women

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<v Speaker 1>is a bit questionable, given their inability to refuse any

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<v Speaker 1>man who approaches them, and pardon me for thinking this

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<v Speaker 1>feels a little more like exploitation than empowerment. Nonetheless, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no question between the connection of female sexuality and divinity

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<v Speaker 1>that these and other societies made, and the figure of

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<v Speaker 1>Kadisha pops up repeatedly. She goes from being a sacred

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<v Speaker 1>prostitute to worship in ancient Egypt as a goddish name.

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<v Speaker 1>Kadeshu Kadesha was not only a fertility goddess, she was

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<v Speaker 1>also a goddess of sexual pleasure and sacred ecstasy. The

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<v Speaker 1>likeliest scenario, then, and how the legend of the jinn

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<v Speaker 1>Aisha Kndicha emerged, is that multiple threads of beliefs came

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<v Speaker 1>together to forge the mythology that exists today. In the

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<v Speaker 1>region most closely associated with her, Morocco. In some areas

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<v Speaker 1>she's believed to be a siren like figure, and another

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<v Speaker 1>is more of an earth mother type, but in all

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<v Speaker 1>cases she's known to be a sexually ravenous gin not

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<v Speaker 1>unlike her mythical predecessors. Aisha Kndicha roams a wilderness near

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<v Speaker 1>bodies of water and northern Morocco, often the Cebu River,

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<v Speaker 1>but also in some of her other favorite haunts, grottos,

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<v Speaker 1>springs fountains, where she searches for her next victim, usually

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<v Speaker 1>a young man. They say she's tall, with large, alluring

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<v Speaker 1>eyes full lips, though she never smiles. Aisha Kndicha has

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<v Speaker 1>a flipped she was figured that can't be hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>the black carbons that she's draped in. Some say those

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<v Speaker 1>grapes are her own hair, jet black that has grown

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<v Speaker 1>so long it wraps around her body, and at times

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<v Speaker 1>when she's spotted, it's as she's emerging from the water

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<v Speaker 1>source she haunts, combing her long, wet black hair back

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<v Speaker 1>from her bare body. While she's feared for causing harm

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<v Speaker 1>to pregnant women. What Aisha Kandita is really known for

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<v Speaker 1>is her fearsome and violent lust, a lust so strong

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<v Speaker 1>that her only real mission is to seduce men into

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<v Speaker 1>her bed, and once her victim has been intimate with her,

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<v Speaker 1>she reveals her true terrifying form. She's gargantuane with teeth

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<v Speaker 1>like knives, and hidden under the black folds are the

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<v Speaker 1>legs and feet of a camel. Not all of the

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<v Speaker 1>men who fall for her discover the truth of who

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<v Speaker 1>she is until it's too late, until they've already entered

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<v Speaker 1>into a sexual tryst with her, at which point he

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer reject her. He will either have to

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<v Speaker 1>become her sexual slave for life or risk being murdered

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<v Speaker 1>by her. Talk about a rock and a hard place.

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming her slave comes with dozens of conditions. Her new

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<v Speaker 1>man can only wear a dirty, ragged clothing that's green

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<v Speaker 1>or red or black. He can never cut his hair

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<v Speaker 1>or his fingernails, and he definitely can't cheat on her.

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<v Speaker 1>And if he rejects these conditions, tough conditions, and refuses them,

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<v Speaker 1>then he has to pay for it with his life.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because I sha CONDITYA doesn't just satisfy her

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<v Speaker 1>sexual urges with her victims, she also satisfies her other

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<v Speaker 1>carnal drives. She drinks their blood and eats their flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>She is quite literally a man eater. Not all of

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<v Speaker 1>her victims end up dead, though some end up driven mad,

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<v Speaker 1>possessed by her, possessed with love and lust for her,

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<v Speaker 1>but unable to obtain her. They say that those who

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<v Speaker 1>seek her become married to her and her alone, unable

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<v Speaker 1>or unwilling to take interest in a human bride, and

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<v Speaker 1>in that way I should condi Ja has at any

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<v Speaker 1>given time thousands of lovers and husbands. But beyond her

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<v Speaker 1>human husband's she's also married to Jen royalty to an

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<v Speaker 1>invincible Jin king by the name of Basha Hammou. Hamu's

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<v Speaker 1>weakness is blood, and so you'll find him at slaughterhouses,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also possesses people who then slashed their own

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<v Speaker 1>limbs to satisfy the Jin's desire. Aisha, Condisha and Hammu

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<v Speaker 1>quite a power couple, you could say, if we lean in, though,

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<v Speaker 1>what we see in stories about Aisha Kndija are layers

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<v Speaker 1>of lessons and warnings. A lesson on the power of

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<v Speaker 1>a woman's sexuality, but also what happens when the sexuality

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<v Speaker 1>of a woman isn't in check. Its spirals out of control,

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<v Speaker 1>lust turning into violence and even death. And it's also

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<v Speaker 1>warning to men to stay away from tempting beautiful women

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<v Speaker 1>that you aren't married to, because for all you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she could be a cannibalistic jin. Engaging and forbidden sexual

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<v Speaker 1>trysts could literally be the death of you. And even

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<v Speaker 1>if she doesn't kill you, you could find yourself gone

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<v Speaker 1>mad with desire for her, wandering the earth the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your days, seeking her, useless to the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. So in that sense, it's almost a warning

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<v Speaker 1>against falling in love itself. It might seem that all

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<v Speaker 1>the female jin have a bad rap, sexually insatiable baby

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<v Speaker 1>killers and man eaters, but that's not exactly true. Just

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<v Speaker 1>as there are good and evil humans, there are good

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<v Speaker 1>and evil gin and the good ones are often as

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<v Speaker 1>powerful as the not so good ones. In Morocco, where

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<v Speaker 1>we met Aisha Candia, we also meet La La Rakia

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<v Speaker 1>el Khammer, which translates to Lady Rekia, daughter of the

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<v Speaker 1>Red One. People seeking her blessings travel to the foot

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<v Speaker 1>of the Atlas Mountains to the enchanting town of Seffru,

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<v Speaker 1>located hours from the Moroccan capital of Rabat. Centuries ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Seffreu wasn't important trading city as well as an ancient

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish Berber settlement and Nestled in the western part of

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<v Speaker 1>the town is the Fountain of Lady Rerechia, a miraculous

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<v Speaker 1>fountains set to bring healing for both physical and mental ailments.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who believe in the powers of Lady Rerechia fill

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<v Speaker 1>up their jugs at her fountain, but most Moroccans don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to go that far to find her. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>the abode of Lady Rerechia is the bath house. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean the room where you go to shower

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<v Speaker 1>in your house. I'm talking about the public bath house,

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<v Speaker 1>the hammam, which is ubiquitous in North African and Middle

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern cultures. Ham Moms are culturally, socially and religiously significant,

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<v Speaker 1>segregated by gender. The hammam is much more than a

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<v Speaker 1>shared pool of water, steam rooms, heated marble slabs, rigorous exfoliation,

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<v Speaker 1>cold showers. It's an entire series of pampering and cleansing rituals.

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<v Speaker 1>But beyond beautification and cleanliness, the hammons are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a local pub for full get together to linger

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<v Speaker 1>and trade gossip, albeit naked, relax with friends and neighbors,

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<v Speaker 1>and the hammam often even has a role in marriages, births,

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<v Speaker 1>even birthdays. Apparently there's nothing like water and naked people

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<v Speaker 1>to attract the wrong kind of gin, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>Lady Reky steps in. She's a queen in the gin world,

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<v Speaker 1>deeply respected for her wisdom and diplomatic skills, and she

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<v Speaker 1>lords over all the gin and every ham mom in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. She makes it her job to protect the

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<v Speaker 1>hammed bathers, but only if people request her permission to

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<v Speaker 1>enter the hammm ask for her protection and greet her

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<v Speaker 1>as they enter. Once in the hammam, Lady Rerekia guards

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<v Speaker 1>both men and women from malevolent beings who might otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>get too attached to abeather and follow them home or

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<v Speaker 1>whisper sinful thoughts and to obey the heart leading them

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<v Speaker 1>into forbidden acts and for the price of keeping peace

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<v Speaker 1>the hammam, Lady Rekia also demands to be thanked and

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<v Speaker 1>bid adieu while leaving. She loves offerings of oil, lamps,

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<v Speaker 1>incense and perfumes too, especially on special occasions. You could

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<v Speaker 1>say she's a bit needy, but really, who among us

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't like to be valued and recognized for their work.

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<v Speaker 1>Now in the world of good versus bad Gin. There

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<v Speaker 1>is one that kind of toes the line. If you

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<v Speaker 1>remember back to earlier in the season, we mentioned one

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<v Speaker 1>jin that while we aren't able to shake. That's our

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<v Speaker 1>jin double, the one we're born with and die with,

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<v Speaker 1>the Corinne. And if you're a woman, well, your female

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<v Speaker 1>counterpart is the Carina. There was, however, an original Carina,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that birthed all the others that were stuck

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<v Speaker 1>with today. It's believed that at the dawn of human creation,

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<v Speaker 1>that Carina was Adam's first wife, but was rejected by

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<v Speaker 1>him and later made it with Satan to produce legions

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<v Speaker 1>of baby gin ad infinitum. She nominally hated men, but

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<v Speaker 1>women too, and to punish both, she made children the

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<v Speaker 1>target of her fury, causing stillbirths and fatal illnesses and babies.

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<v Speaker 1>If she sounds like Lilith, you're exactly right. The original

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<v Speaker 1>Karna and Lilith are one and the same. So for

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<v Speaker 1>the ladies out there, the Carina that you carry with

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<v Speaker 1>you everywhere turns out that she's the daughter of the

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<v Speaker 1>mother of all the gin. Our personal Carina is also

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes called our or Shakika, both words that mean sister,

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<v Speaker 1>but this jin takes sibling rivalry to another level. She

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<v Speaker 1>carries a particular interest in the spouse of her human,

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<v Speaker 1>fueled maybe by jealousy of all the human beings she's

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<v Speaker 1>missing out on. She does her best to break up

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<v Speaker 1>the couple was to bring hateful thoughts in her humans ears,

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<v Speaker 1>poisoning her heart against her husband and urging her to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the marriage, which begs the question though, what if

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<v Speaker 1>he's just a truly terrible spouse? What if it's a

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<v Speaker 1>toxic or abuse of marriage? Does blaming a garna let

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<v Speaker 1>crappy husbands off the hook? Does it redirect blame back

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<v Speaker 1>to a woman to check herself health, to second guess

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<v Speaker 1>the thoughts that she has of leaving? But then, divorce

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<v Speaker 1>has always carried a heavy social stigma, especially in times

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<v Speaker 1>and places where women didn't have the agency to make

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<v Speaker 1>such monumental decisions. Maybe, just maybe, the Carina gives a

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<v Speaker 1>woman in an unhappy marriage who might find it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to leave otherwise away out and so Ladies, maybe, just

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<v Speaker 1>like their mother Lilith, the Corina are simply asserting power

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<v Speaker 1>that's long been kept from women. Speaking of power, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating female flip side to the world of Gin,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not about the jinn themselves, It's about the

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<v Speaker 1>power of women in fighting the Gin. North African regions

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<v Speaker 1>are replete with female jin stories, but they're also replete

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<v Speaker 1>with the stories of the power of women themselves, women

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<v Speaker 1>who were able to trick the devil himself into giving

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<v Speaker 1>them power. According to the friend writer Aleene de Lenz,

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<v Speaker 1>who lived in Morocco in the early part of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century, the oral tradition of how women of the

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<v Speaker 1>region came to their power goes like this. In antiquity,

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<v Speaker 1>old women wanted to seize the devil. What can we

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<v Speaker 1>do to attract him, they asked themselves. While the devil

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<v Speaker 1>always arrives during a dispute, So the old woman started

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<v Speaker 1>insulting each other and the devil arrived. Then the shouting

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<v Speaker 1>turned to sobbing. What's wrong, asked the devil. The old

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<v Speaker 1>woman responded, the devil is dead. The devil, confused, said

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<v Speaker 1>that is a lie. I am the devil, and the

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<v Speaker 1>old woman said, he is dead. We tell you you,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know you, And the devil responded, I speak

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<v Speaker 1>the truth. If that's so, the old woman challenged him,

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<v Speaker 1>enter into this glass vial, and we will believe you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the devil entered, and the women quickly put

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<v Speaker 1>a stopper on the vial. Let me out, he shouted,

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<v Speaker 1>by fire, we won't let you free, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>devil berated them ditch a female camel's prostitutes, and the

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>old women rerated him. Back you one eyed person, possessor

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<v Speaker 1>of a single hair, And that made the devil reconsider, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my daughters, deliver me and I will help you. But

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<v Speaker 1>the women responded, helping you help anyone you the father

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<v Speaker 1>of evil, And the devil said, I will teach you

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<v Speaker 1>how to prevail over men, and so the old women agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>and he taught them sorcery as well as the art

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<v Speaker 1>of curing illness. It said that since then Moroccan women

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<v Speaker 1>have been feared by some as sorceresses, having the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>and power to not to subjugate and control men, keel sickness,

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<v Speaker 1>and fight the gin, but they also have the power

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<v Speaker 1>to control nature itself. One account of this comes to

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<v Speaker 1>us by way of doctor Emil Moauchamp. Doctor Moauchamp was

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<v Speaker 1>assigned by the French to establish his medical practice in

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<v Speaker 1>Marrakesh in nineteen o five as part of the French

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<v Speaker 1>government's ploy deepen its hold on Morocco through providing healthcare. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that seems crazy, but believe it or not, they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>the only colonial power who has used such ploys. Mos

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<v Speaker 1>Schamp was one of many colonial observers in the region

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<v Speaker 1>who collected their own ethnographies, fascinated with local customs and traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>especially relating to magic and sorcery. He explained one point,

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<v Speaker 1>how to sorceress concocted a magic paste to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to control the moon itself. First, the sorceress would buy

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<v Speaker 1>a new kneading dish during the day, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>would visit the home of all the gin with it,

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<v Speaker 1>the slaughterhouses, the toilets, cemeteries, the tombs of saints, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as synagogues and mosques, with a genie stand guard.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she takes the water of seven springs or covered wells,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the night of the full moon, between midnight

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<v Speaker 1>and one am, she darkens her right eye with call

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<v Speaker 1>let's blush on the right cheek, a bracelet on the

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<v Speaker 1>right arm and anklet on the right foot, and braids

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<v Speaker 1>a lock of her hair on the right Then she

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<v Speaker 1>goes alone to the cemetery, puts the dish on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>strips naked, and runs holding a reed with a little

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<v Speaker 1>green flag attached, asking the spirits of darkness to make

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<v Speaker 1>the moon descend for her. In the dish she has

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<v Speaker 1>put the water of the seven fountains. Then one sees

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<v Speaker 1>the moon mount to its zenith and descend into the dish.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately a storm is unleashed. The water phones and spills over,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sorceress collects this phone. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Benzoin and Coriander cook in a neighboring pot, and the

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<v Speaker 1>sorceress commands, I want you to serve me for good

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<v Speaker 1>and for evil. When the tub is full of foam,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sorceress puts out the incense fire and spills the

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<v Speaker 1>water on the ground, and the liberated moon rises slowly

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<v Speaker 1>into the sky. Now that is power. Unfortunately, formau Schamp

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't able to like these stories for long. Less

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<v Speaker 1>than two years after arriving in Morocco, he was murdered

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<v Speaker 1>right outside his own clinic. His crime he raised a

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<v Speaker 1>pole or intent of some sort onto his roof, which

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<v Speaker 1>some locals feared meant he was a French spy connected

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<v Speaker 1>wirelessly through the pole to a a various network, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help but wonder if he just got on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong side of a sorceress. Thanks for joining us

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Next week we'll be back to take you

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<v Speaker 1>into another step into the world of the Hidden Gin.

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