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Speaker 1: Pushkin, John Sorria.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that when we were kids, you had

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Speaker 2: promised me. You'd said, if you live to fifty years old,

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the promise that you made. No, you said, Jonathan,

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Speaker 2: with your eating habits and your lack of exercise regimen,

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Speaker 2: there's no chance you're going to live to fifty. But

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Speaker 2: if you do make I never said that. You said,

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Speaker 2: if you make it to fifty, I will send you

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Speaker 2: on an all expense paid.

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Speaker 3: Cruise, John, I never would have said that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've got my childhood journal right here,

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Speaker 2: so let's take a look. January fifth, nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: Today Jackie promised me a cruise.

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Speaker 3: I never said that. It's never the kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: I ever would have said.

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Speaker 2: Yet there it is. So what are you thinking? Kokomo?

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Speaker 2: Never ever Wait, it doesn't say cruise, it says booze.

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Speaker 2: You'd buy me booze. My penmanship was terrible, So what

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Speaker 2: do you think? In krem Dumont from Gimblet Media, I'm

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode Mary Clode.

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Speaker 2: Mary Clode, Hello, So how's your day been.

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Speaker 5: That's nine forty one in the morning. I haven't done much.

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Speaker 2: Yet this plucky pip is Mary Clode, and she's come

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Speaker 2: to me today with a problem as well. She should,

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Speaker 2: because not only are problems my metier, but Mary Clode

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Speaker 2: is one of my oldest friends. We met in the

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Speaker 2: fifth grade in Montreal. So you were half French, half English.

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Speaker 2: The marry side represents the English and the clothed side

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Speaker 2: represents the French exactly. And what does the hyphen represent

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Speaker 2: as they set up the microphones? Because what's the good

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Speaker 2: of problems without microphones? I make some small talk to

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Speaker 2: put Mary hyphen Clode at her ease. How How was

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Speaker 2: it nice.

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Speaker 5: Just making conversation because we can sit in silence. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: I'm just making some chit chat.

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Speaker 5: Just let's go.

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Speaker 2: Back when Mary Clode and I first met forty years ago.

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Speaker 2: We were a couple of shy, outsider kids. Even though

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Speaker 2: Mary Clode lives in Canada and I now live in America,

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Speaker 2: in many ways, we still lean on each other the

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Speaker 2: way we did when we were kids, which brings us

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Speaker 2: to why we're talking today. Mary clodes problem dates back

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Speaker 2: to our days in grade school together fifty She thought

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Speaker 2: it was behind her, but in the last couple of

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Speaker 2: years the problem is returned, its threat multiplied, and its

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Speaker 2: size exponential. Because Mary clodes problem is a math problem.

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Speaker 5: I started failing math being grade seven. I got all

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Speaker 5: the answers wrong. I did terribly. When my mother went

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Speaker 5: to parent teacher interview. What was the name of the

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Speaker 5: grade seven math teacher, I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: Was it Monsieur spirit In.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's it, that's exactly it. Yeah, So he told

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Speaker 5: my mother, no, no, there's no problem. She understands. She

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Speaker 5: just gets the answers wrong.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 5: Exactly? That's what my mother said, if she understood to

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Speaker 5: get the answers right, Just how you get a sense

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Speaker 5: of how this whole nightmare started.

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Speaker 2: What kind of math was it back then? Was it algebra?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you think, I know. I think there

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Speaker 5: was something with brackets, you know, like there was a

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Speaker 5: there was something else I remember, like an a's and

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Speaker 2: You know, you know there's a name for that. Actually

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Speaker 2: it's called algebra.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Although Mary Clode knew nothing, not even the kind of

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Speaker 2: Let me see if I can remember who the grade

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Speaker 2: A teacher was. Was it mister Goyech?

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Speaker 5: I think it was, yeah, nice.

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Speaker 2: Guy everyone called mister Goyech, the gooch walking into class

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Speaker 2: with his hockey bag slung over his shoulder, hair wet

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Speaker 5: I remember liking mister Goyech. I remember still not understanding

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Speaker 2: But the gouch was too nice to fail Mary Clode,

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Speaker 5: Grade nine came along and and the teacher was mister Cohen.

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Speaker 5: You remember him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. He decided he didn't like me for some reason,

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Speaker 5: which was very rare because I was so quiet and shy,

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Speaker 5: I think mister Cohen just passed me so you wouldn't

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Speaker 5: have to have me in his class again. A second year.

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Speaker 2: After Miss Cohen, there was Missya Stehauer, then missyr Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Each year Mary Clode was scooted from one monsieur to

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Speaker 2: the next, one grade to the next, scooted all the

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Speaker 2: way to senior year, her last year of high school math.

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Speaker 2: On the first day of class, Mary Clode walked into

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Speaker 5: He's reading the attendance list, and then he sees my

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Speaker 5: in this class? You don't belong here. You're never going

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Speaker 2: Under the teacher's advisement, Mary Clode dropped the class. We

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Speaker 2: went to a terrible, terrible I remember. Their way of

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Speaker 2: trying to inspire us was like, I think you and

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Speaker 2: I sat in the dumb row together.

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Speaker 5: We did.

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Speaker 2: They called it the dumb row, and they tried to

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Speaker 2: was like five rows, and I remember there was the

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Speaker 2: really dumb row behind us, but then there was just

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Speaker 2: the dumb row, which was like a second from the wall.

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Speaker 2: And we were trying, like we were working really really

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Speaker 5: Did we make it?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: I don't think so either. You know, every year, the

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Speaker 5: same thing I'd sit in class, I would try I'd

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Speaker 5: copy down the examples from the board. It seems so simple.

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Speaker 5: There's a disconnect, you know, like it's on the board

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Speaker 5: apply it. And then you know how it is, once

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Speaker 5: then you're discouraged, and I just I didn't understand it.

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Speaker 2: You know, but didn't you have to pass math in

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Speaker 2: order to graduate high school?

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Speaker 5: What are you saying? I don't have a high school diploma.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing you in a yearbook.

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Speaker 5: You signed my yearbook, you jerk.

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Speaker 2: Despite not taking her final year of high school math,

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Speaker 2: the administration allowed Mary Clode to graduate, but only because

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Speaker 2: of what happened in the last few months of the semester.

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Speaker 5: If you remember, my father was very sick growing up,

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Speaker 5: and in the spring of the last year of high school,

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Speaker 5: my dad went into the hospital, I see you, and

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Speaker 5: he never came out, So you know, we basically kept

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Speaker 5: a vigil by his bed, and you know, I was

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Speaker 5: holding my father's hand when he died. And to get

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Speaker 5: back to reality, that really could not. I just I

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Speaker 5: didn't care. I didn't feel normal, I didn't feel like

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Yeah, it changed all my friendships. Really,

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Speaker 5: like you and I stayed friends because you're very good.

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Speaker 2: With death, by the way, thank you.

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Speaker 5: You were different. But yeah, so just it changed everything,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 5: I never went back to school, never wrote my final

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Speaker 5: end of year exams. I guess my mom made arrangements

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Speaker 5: passed me. Basically, they graduated me. So yes, I did

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Speaker 5: pass high school, Jonathan, maybe not the conventional way, but

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Speaker 5: I passed not in the last.

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Speaker 2: High school ended and Mary Clode put math behind her.

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Speaker 2: She met her husband, had two daughters, and worked at

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Speaker 2: their family country store. Over the years, she's done all

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Speaker 2: kinds of jobs, from waitressing to sales to working in

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Speaker 2: a funeral home, but none of it ever felt like

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Speaker 5: I always worked school hours, as I call them, meaning,

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Speaker 5: you know, I walk my girls to school every day

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Speaker 5: me to or not, even in grade six. So really,

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Speaker 5: my focus has always been, you know, really being a

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Speaker 2: But Mary Clode's daughters are now entering college and don't

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Speaker 2: need her as much, so she's begun thinking about what

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Speaker 5: And I thought, like, this is it, Like you know,

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Speaker 5: I want to I'm going to finally get some sort

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Speaker 5: I can do that I like. So I got the

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Speaker 5: idea in my head that I wanted to be a

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Speaker 5: real estate agent, and I sign up for this course.

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Speaker 2: Over the next year, Mary Clode began the requisite real

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Speaker 2: But then Mary Clode got to the final class and

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to her today, because that final class was

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Speaker 2: a real estate math, geometry, percentages, and algebra, in other words,

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Speaker 5: So that's where I find myself. Now. I need to

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Speaker 5: and it's killing me. It's really killing me.

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Speaker 2: Mary Clode is living a classic anxiety dream, the one

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Speaker 2: where you're back in school. Unprepared for a test. But

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Speaker 2: for Mary Clode, it isn't a dream, it's a living nightmare.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that's standing in the way of her

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Speaker 5: It's haunting me. Really, I can't. I just all these

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Speaker 5: old fears and feelings of anxiety and feelings of hostility,

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Speaker 5: like I really hate it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Each time she opens her math book to work on

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Speaker 2: She's reminded of the teachers who told her she couldn't

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Speaker 5: At my daughter's high school graduation, there was awards given

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Speaker 5: to a couple of kids, three kids actually, who basically

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Speaker 5: accomplished so much despite I think all these three kids

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Speaker 5: in the graduating class have lost a parent. And meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: they were all straight A students. And I remember I

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Speaker 5: left that graduation. I said to the kids like, basically

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Speaker 5: like what the fuck? You know, Like, how come these

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Speaker 5: and do so well in school? And yet that event

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Speaker 5: for me, basically his followed me for thirty five years.

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Speaker 5: Because I never finish anything like that's that's me, right,

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Speaker 5: you know me. I can't close the deal like I

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Speaker 5: just I can't finish.

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Speaker 2: Mary Clode says that high school math was just the

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Speaker 2: first in a series of things she never finished, from

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Speaker 2: her bachelor's degree in polly CSCI to joining the Peace Corps,

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Speaker 2: from opening a bookstore cafe to becoming a civil rights activist.

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Speaker 2: Mary Clode is dreamt of doing all kinds of things.

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Speaker 5: So there's there's always all this stuff I want to do,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have what big plate of poutine?

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Speaker 1: There is getting her way.

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Speaker 2: You know that this is one of Mary Clode's oldest friends.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna help her?

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Speaker 2: How hard can all this real estate stuff be?

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Speaker 1: Is anyone able to help her? To help her organize herself?

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Speaker 5: Feels the need to without.

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Speaker 2: Hi Johnny, Katie. So I phone Mary Clodes home and

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Speaker 2: I'm proud to say, my god daughters. Have you guys

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I think she's still trying.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen her doing any homework?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Helen and Katie are both excellent students, especially when it

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Speaker 9: I feel like you shouldn't have a family member as

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Speaker 2: That is very diplomatic, very diplomatic.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I hear you. I'm reading between the lines every time

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Speaker 9: She just has like an idea in her head that

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Speaker 7: To do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she doesn't have enough faith in herself.

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Speaker 4: Hello Mary, thought.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't answer. Eh.

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Speaker 2: After Helen and Katie make an appeal on my behalf,

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Speaker 8: You've nagged, honestly, you've nagged the desire for me to

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Speaker 8: because you're such a freakin nag. I swear to God.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to ask for help. But asking for help

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Speaker 2: was never Mary Clode's problem. Her problem is accepting it

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be I wouldn't bother you with all of

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Speaker 2: So what happened to that? I mean, isn't that something

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Speaker 4: I want to do it.

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Speaker 8: I just don't want to do the freaking math. I

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Speaker 2: No shit, It's clear Mary Clode isn't going to do

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Speaker 5: What kills me is that my kids are so so

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Speaker 5: I have to finish this class because I don't want

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Speaker 1: That is a big motivation.

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Speaker 9: You're right, You're right.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, I'm gonna do it. I gotta do it.

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Speaker 5: I gotta follow through. That's really not my strength, following through,

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Speaker 2: To complete the math class, Mary Clode must first pass

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Speaker 2: So to get things started, I find her a tutor.

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Speaker 2: Mary Clode is surprised when I tell her I'll be

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm going to introduce myself to your teacher.

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Speaker 2: In truth, I also want to make sure Mary Clode

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Speaker 3: My eldest student was eighty. He survived the math class,

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Speaker 3: so wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see there's hope for you, Mary.

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Speaker 3: So if you have any questions that don't hesitate to

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Speaker 2: Before the lesson, Mary Clode made me swear I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: We're moving, taxes becomes a challenge, so I just want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, Mary Cloude is yeah, writing Suzanne the

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Speaker 3: To if the bank charges you three in a quarter.

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Speaker 2: Sorry Mary, Yeah, I just wanted to jump into say

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Speaker 4: Get off.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 8: Ignore him. I've seen her working on it a lot

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: After a few weeks I convene a daughter's teacher conference

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Speaker 10: Like I've seen her after dinner, pull out her notes

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Speaker 8: Seems like more motivated.

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Speaker 9: She was saying how much she loved the tutor.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, she said she wants her to be her life coach.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Mary Clodes enthusiastic now but she was also enthusiastic

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Speaker 8: I think we need more positive reinforcement.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, she really needs like structure.

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Speaker 2: So I devise a scheme.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Hi, Johnny, how are you for structure?

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Speaker 2: I phone Mary Cloude every Friday morning on her drive

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Speaker 2: and for positive reinforcement. I invite a special surprise guest

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Speaker 4: You ready, And I'm just a puking.

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Speaker 2: From excitement now. I can hardly believe who I was

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Speaker 8: I don't mean you to call them Karen for me.

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Speaker 8: I see her on a regular basis.

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Speaker 5: You're idiots.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that it's only taken forty years

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Speaker 2: with Jonathan Stuart Goldstein is finally friend of a friend

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Speaker 6: The truth is, Mary, The truth is that anyone can

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Speaker 3: What you have is such a great way with people.

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Speaker 3: They like you, they trust you.

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Speaker 2: She's calling me stupid. Over the next few weeks, I

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Speaker 2: book more guests to encourage and inspire, guests like Omar Karashi,

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Speaker 2: one of the best math students in our grade.

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Speaker 7: I really respect anyone who's trying to reinvent themselves write,

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Speaker 7: I really adm that, and.

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Speaker 9: I feel like this my eulogy.

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Speaker 2: I even managed to track down none other than our

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Speaker 1: Oh, Hi, very close.

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Speaker 2: Hi, you remember mister.

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Speaker 5: Go Who doesn't remember mister Goych.

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Speaker 2: Everyone remembers the Gouch. The Gouch.

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Speaker 8: On the other hand, do you remember Jonathan from math class?

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Speaker 4: Who is that?

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Speaker 1: Who?

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Speaker 2: That's the me, the person on the who called you well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

442
00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:55,169
Speaker 2: When I tell mister Goyach what Mary Clote is trying

443
00:25:55,209 --> 00:25:57,690
Speaker 2: to do, he offers a story of his own.

444
00:25:57,970 --> 00:25:58,649
Speaker 3: In the high school.

445
00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:00,770
Speaker 4: My concentration level was not great either.

446
00:26:01,649 --> 00:26:03,129
Speaker 3: I wanted to become a hockey player.

447
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:06,689
Speaker 2: Actually, mister Goach says that he decided to become a

448
00:26:06,689 --> 00:26:09,409
Speaker 2: teacher only once he saw his hockey career was taking

449
00:26:09,449 --> 00:26:12,570
Speaker 2: him nowhere. But now that he's retired, he's returned to

450
00:26:12,609 --> 00:26:15,810
Speaker 2: his first love and plays in a recreational hockey league.

451
00:26:16,129 --> 00:26:17,369
Speaker 5: I played three times a week.

452
00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:18,530
Speaker 4: I just finished last week.

453
00:26:18,770 --> 00:26:22,409
Speaker 2: Wow, it's never too late to give it a chance, right. No,

454
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:27,090
Speaker 2: After Monsieo Gooyech gets off the phone, I review the

455
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:29,889
Speaker 2: lesson with Mary Clode. So what did we learn?

456
00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:34,129
Speaker 8: I really gotta get gash? Should I parked on the

457
00:26:34,169 --> 00:26:34,889
Speaker 8: wrong side?

458
00:26:35,169 --> 00:26:35,489
Speaker 5: Crap?

459
00:26:35,649 --> 00:26:37,690
Speaker 8: We learned that I don't know where my gas tankers.

460
00:26:38,609 --> 00:26:41,530
Speaker 2: Mary Clode pulls out and loops around the gas pomp.

461
00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:45,609
Speaker 2: If she understood math, she'd knowed that flipping the left

462
00:26:45,609 --> 00:26:48,489
Speaker 2: side of her car to the right simply by looping

463
00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:54,450
Speaker 2: around is mathematically impossible unless said loop. We're a Mobia strip,

464
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:57,649
Speaker 2: but there are no Mobia strip shaped roads in a

465
00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:59,929
Speaker 2: Euclidean space like Canada.

466
00:27:00,409 --> 00:27:03,770
Speaker 8: Some intelligence can't be measured in the same way as others.

467
00:27:04,369 --> 00:27:15,850
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I did it again, and they say math

468
00:27:15,929 --> 00:27:17,690
Speaker 2: has no real world application?

469
00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:29,889
Speaker 3: Why by one, four, nine seven fists yes.

470
00:27:29,929 --> 00:27:33,449
Speaker 2: Because over the next several weeks, Mary Cloude continues to

471
00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:36,850
Speaker 2: work on her assignments. At first, it's like high school

472
00:27:36,889 --> 00:27:37,609
Speaker 2: all over again.

473
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:39,530
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is gonna be flashback.

474
00:27:39,929 --> 00:27:42,970
Speaker 2: But with time, Mary Cloude grows confident enough to ask

475
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:43,449
Speaker 2: for help.

476
00:27:43,689 --> 00:27:45,609
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do it, you don't know it.

477
00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:48,889
Speaker 2: And when she does, Suzanne doesn't make her feel stupid.

478
00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:52,609
Speaker 2: She explains things, so it's not long before Mary Cloude

479
00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:54,010
Speaker 2: is getting the answers right.

480
00:27:57,290 --> 00:27:59,929
Speaker 3: Hundred yep. Wow, I'm very impressed.

481
00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:00,609
Speaker 6: Cool.

482
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,489
Speaker 2: I never thought i'd live to see the day Mary

483
00:28:06,530 --> 00:28:10,289
Speaker 2: Clode would call math cool. It's not an adjective she

484
00:28:10,369 --> 00:28:13,689
Speaker 2: throws around lightly. I've only heard her say it about

485
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:18,450
Speaker 2: eating poutine, drinking whiskey, and listening to her favorite Canadian

486
00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:25,810
Speaker 2: rock band, Blue Rodeo. So to rewarder for working so

487
00:28:25,929 --> 00:28:28,770
Speaker 2: hard these past few months, I book a very special

488
00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:32,129
Speaker 2: guest for our next check in a twelve time Juno

489
00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:35,570
Speaker 2: Music Award winning and two thousand and nine Canadian Walk

490
00:28:35,609 --> 00:28:40,569
Speaker 2: of Fame receiving very special guest. Honestly, this is a get.

491
00:28:41,209 --> 00:28:44,650
Speaker 2: I didn't think this was going to come through. Jim

492
00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:46,170
Speaker 2: Cuddy of Blue Rodeo.

493
00:28:47,209 --> 00:28:48,489
Speaker 4: Oh hi, it's Jim Cutty here.

494
00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:52,530
Speaker 8: How did you swing that?

495
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:54,610
Speaker 4: Hello? Mary Cook?

496
00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:56,650
Speaker 3: How are you I'm great.

497
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:57,209
Speaker 2: How are you.

498
00:28:57,850 --> 00:28:58,570
Speaker 4: I'm very good.

499
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:59,050
Speaker 1: Thank you.

500
00:28:59,890 --> 00:29:02,249
Speaker 2: As it turns out, it's not just Mary Cloude and

501
00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:05,370
Speaker 2: my friendship that blossomed in math class. It was in

502
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:08,370
Speaker 2: a high school math class that the Canadian John Lennon,

503
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:11,810
Speaker 2: Blue Rote Video's Jim Cuddy first met his friend and

504
00:29:11,890 --> 00:29:16,970
Speaker 2: future Blue Rodeo bandmate, the Canadian Paul McCartney, Greg Keeler.

505
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:20,850
Speaker 4: That's true, No way, that's true. Greg had moved from

506
00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:23,930
Speaker 4: Montreal and he came into our math class as a

507
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:25,209
Speaker 4: new kid. It's fun.

508
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:29,450
Speaker 2: So if math didn't exist, Blue Rodeo wouldn't exist. You

509
00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:30,290
Speaker 2: might say.

510
00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:34,210
Speaker 4: That might be stretching at Jonathan, but I guess you're right.

511
00:29:34,290 --> 00:29:35,130
Speaker 4: I mean, you're right.

512
00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:37,930
Speaker 2: It is all about I'm trying to impress upon young

513
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:42,770
Speaker 2: Mary Cloude the importance of mathematics. Yeah, as for words

514
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:46,009
Speaker 2: of wisdom, the lyrics Jim Road for the band's hit single,

515
00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:50,890
Speaker 2: The Canadian Hey Jude Try, which rocketed to number three

516
00:29:51,010 --> 00:29:55,410
Speaker 2: on the Canadian Adult Contemporary chart, seemed particularly relevant to

517
00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:59,769
Speaker 2: Marry cloude circumstance caught up in the moment I explode

518
00:29:59,810 --> 00:30:06,650
Speaker 2: into song girl, You've got nothing but time, Oh you

519
00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:11,970
Speaker 2: are a shining star. I wait for Jim to join

520
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:17,249
Speaker 2: me in an impromptu duet. Oh you gotta try, Try,

521
00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:27,650
Speaker 2: Try Jim. Jim, a consummate professional as well as a Canadian,

522
00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:35,249
Speaker 2: graciously allows me to take the solo try. After my

523
00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:39,290
Speaker 2: big finish, Jim Cuddy leaves Mary Clode with wise words.

524
00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:42,170
Speaker 4: They always make it through, you know, I mean, you will,

525
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:45,410
Speaker 4: you will, and you obviously have a good friend and Jonathan,

526
00:30:45,490 --> 00:30:48,450
Speaker 4: that's that's helping you out. Yeah, that's true.

527
00:30:48,610 --> 00:30:52,529
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks Johnny. My daughter Katie is here. She's a

528
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:55,210
Speaker 8: huge fan and she's great in math. Can she say

529
00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:55,730
Speaker 8: hi to you?

530
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:59,570
Speaker 4: Of course? Hi, Hi Katie? How you doing again?

531
00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:00,209
Speaker 1: How are you?

532
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:01,970
Speaker 4: So you're watching the struggles.

533
00:31:01,530 --> 00:31:02,890
Speaker 1: Of your Mom's gonna learn.

534
00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:15,170
Speaker 2: That Usually I'm the one bothering Mary Clode. But a

535
00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:18,610
Speaker 2: few weeks after my unassisted serenade, I get a call

536
00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:22,730
Speaker 2: from her. She's finally gotten back a grade for the coursework.

537
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:25,249
Speaker 2: She needs at least a sixty to move on to

538
00:31:25,290 --> 00:31:27,290
Speaker 2: the final exam, and.

539
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:28,930
Speaker 5: That's what I got.

540
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:32,450
Speaker 2: Okay, this is complicated because I don't want to low

541
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:34,570
Speaker 2: ball you and then make you feel like I don't

542
00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:36,650
Speaker 2: have faith in you. But I don't want to high

543
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:38,770
Speaker 2: ball you and then make you feel as though you've

544
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:43,730
Speaker 2: let me down exactly. Okay, I am going to say,

545
00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:45,969
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna be optimistic here because I

546
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:48,330
Speaker 2: think you've been really working hard. I think Suzanne has

547
00:31:48,370 --> 00:31:54,049
Speaker 2: had a positive IMPACT's great. I'm going to say, sixty percent.

548
00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:57,570
Speaker 5: You are such an assoule.

549
00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:01,330
Speaker 2: That's a pass, isn't you. I'm going to say you passed?

550
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:04,050
Speaker 8: You really have no faith in me?

551
00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:06,210
Speaker 2: Is it higher?

552
00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:06,890
Speaker 4: Yeah?

553
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:07,970
Speaker 2: Sixty five?

554
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:08,850
Speaker 8: Keep going?

555
00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:13,890
Speaker 2: Sixty six? Okay, sixty seven, And she wrote like, I

556
00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:17,850
Speaker 2: really think you're making a good effort here. No, come on,

557
00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:27,970
Speaker 2: did you did you get like a good grade?

558
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:30,289
Speaker 1: Did you?

559
00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:30,850
Speaker 3: Yes?

560
00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:32,170
Speaker 8: I did, Yes, I did.

561
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,090
Speaker 5: Honestly, Perhaps you'd be happy to know I got in

562
00:32:35,209 --> 00:32:35,930
Speaker 5: ninety five.

563
00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:40,170
Speaker 2: Oh that you got a ninety five percent?

564
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:41,250
Speaker 5: Yes?

565
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:44,210
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Mary, have you ever gotten to mark

566
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:45,050
Speaker 2: that high in math?

567
00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:48,010
Speaker 8: No? No, it's crazy.

568
00:32:48,130 --> 00:32:50,009
Speaker 2: No, no, no on any math test, like even if we

569
00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:52,410
Speaker 2: went all the way back to kindergarten.

570
00:32:52,209 --> 00:32:52,890
Speaker 8: Probably not.

571
00:32:58,890 --> 00:32:59,090
Speaker 7: You know.

572
00:32:59,170 --> 00:33:01,930
Speaker 1: Itsu then told me that my tutoring session a couple

573
00:33:01,970 --> 00:33:02,770
Speaker 1: of weeks ago.

574
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:06,170
Speaker 5: What's that you told me I wanted for brides students

575
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:08,530
Speaker 5: and that I actually do understand math?

576
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:13,410
Speaker 2: As Mary Clode tells me about her grade, about Suzanne's praise.

577
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:17,930
Speaker 2: There's genuine pride in her voice. It's wonderful to hear like.

578
00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:19,690
Speaker 8: I'm actually really kind of enjoying that.

579
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:24,930
Speaker 2: I'm so glad. That's really great, shocking but true. With

580
00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:27,610
Speaker 2: no more assignments to worry about, all Mary Clode has

581
00:33:27,650 --> 00:33:30,769
Speaker 2: left to do is study for the exam. It seems

582
00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:33,330
Speaker 2: like I'll be in Montreal in no time with a

583
00:33:33,370 --> 00:33:34,650
Speaker 2: big bowl of poutine.

584
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:38,970
Speaker 8: You keep forgetting the whiskey and whiskey okay, I'll get

585
00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:40,530
Speaker 8: myself to the exams.

586
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:46,290
Speaker 2: And you've gotten yourself to the Advertising break a voluntary

587
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:49,249
Speaker 2: public service that I provide out of the goodness of

588
00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:55,530
Speaker 2: my heart and for money to companies, corporations and conglomerates.

589
00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:59,290
Speaker 2: But only the good ones like Bonobos that sell products

590
00:33:59,330 --> 00:34:03,049
Speaker 2: like well fitting Ya sweaters and Penguin socks, as opposed

591
00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:06,810
Speaker 2: to not so good companies like Gimlet that only sell

592
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:18,730
Speaker 2: advertising space wrapped in a flimsy narrative, Oh Sweet Montreal.

593
00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:24,290
Speaker 2: As I walk past the fromageries, perfumeries and haw Key eries,

594
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:27,170
Speaker 2: I can't help it reflect on how far Mary Cloud

595
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:30,290
Speaker 2: has come these last five months. For the first time

596
00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:33,090
Speaker 2: in her life. Mary Clode has done well in math,

597
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:37,529
Speaker 2: but she's had her tutor, Suzanne helping her along. Now

598
00:34:37,570 --> 00:34:41,410
Speaker 2: she faces a much bigger challenge the final exam, and

599
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:44,650
Speaker 2: she's going to have to do it alone. Are you

600
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:45,890
Speaker 2: excited about the big Chester?

601
00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:47,890
Speaker 5: I'm excited for it to be over.

602
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:51,050
Speaker 2: I'm over at mary clothes house this morning as she

603
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:53,690
Speaker 2: gets ready to leave for the exam. And you want

604
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:55,130
Speaker 2: to do some last minute cramming.

605
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:57,770
Speaker 5: Yeah, I either know it or I don't.

606
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:03,330
Speaker 2: Despite Mary Clode being too cool for adult education online schools,

607
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,850
Speaker 2: I can tell she's nervous every time I try to

608
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:08,570
Speaker 2: get us out the door so we can make it

609
00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:09,730
Speaker 2: to the exams am on time.

610
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:13,890
Speaker 5: She stalls, Oh, I have to make the children of smoothie.

611
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:18,489
Speaker 2: Is that what you do each morning? Yes, it's very nice. Well,

612
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:21,850
Speaker 2: Mary Cloude makes the smoothie. I plug our destination into

613
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:27,730
Speaker 2: the GPS. When she finally finishes, we head out. Helen

614
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:30,410
Speaker 2: and Katie see us off. Good luck.

615
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:32,170
Speaker 6: You're gonna do ry.

616
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:33,010
Speaker 1: Thank you?

617
00:35:33,490 --> 00:35:39,530
Speaker 2: Just see calm. Easier said than done.

618
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:41,730
Speaker 5: I mean maybe I'll get in there and I'll read

619
00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:44,090
Speaker 5: all the questions. So I want the answer and not Annic.

620
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:49,650
Speaker 2: I asked if Suzanne had any tips for staying calm

621
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:52,890
Speaker 2: during the test, Mary Cloude doesn't think so. But the

622
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:56,330
Speaker 2: mention of Suzanne's name reminds Mary Clode of something that

623
00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:58,410
Speaker 2: happened during one of their last sessions.

624
00:35:59,170 --> 00:36:01,130
Speaker 5: Did I tell you that She told me I was dyslexic?

625
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:03,050
Speaker 2: WHOA wait?

626
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:06,410
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she because one time I did something and

627
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:08,410
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I fucked that up. She goes, well, yeah,

628
00:36:08,410 --> 00:36:10,090
Speaker 5: well that of course, I mean, you're dyslexing.

629
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,690
Speaker 2: Susanne was a matter of fact about it. Certain Mary

630
00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:17,450
Speaker 2: Clode must have already known, and as soon as Suzanne

631
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:18,970
Speaker 2: said it, it all clicked.

632
00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:21,810
Speaker 5: You know, when I meet a family and to make

633
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:25,410
Speaker 5: funeral arrangements, they verbally say their address.

634
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:27,890
Speaker 1: At the postal code, and like, my brain just goes like.

635
00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:30,890
Speaker 5: Or if they tell me their home phone number, I

636
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:33,090
Speaker 5: can't write it down. I know, Like I have to

637
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:35,690
Speaker 5: enter payments, you know, at work, and I always screw

638
00:36:35,770 --> 00:36:38,210
Speaker 5: up the numbers, Like my friend Mary Louis always like, yeah,

639
00:36:38,250 --> 00:36:41,810
Speaker 5: I fixed it because you entered the numbers backwards. I

640
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:44,490
Speaker 5: also can't spell New French or English.

641
00:36:44,530 --> 00:36:47,570
Speaker 2: Mary, that's wild. You end up like looking back at

642
00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:57,050
Speaker 2: your entire past differently. I think back to what Mary

643
00:36:57,090 --> 00:37:00,370
Speaker 2: Clode told me about missyr spirit in saying she understood

644
00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:03,530
Speaker 2: the math, that she was smart, but got the answers wrong,

645
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:07,210
Speaker 2: about the disconnect between how simple math seemed on the board,

646
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:11,970
Speaker 2: but how impossible it was to apply. Mary clothes problem

647
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:15,170
Speaker 2: wasn't a math problem after all? How do you get

648
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:17,529
Speaker 2: from point A to point B when you can't even

649
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:18,850
Speaker 2: keep the letters straight.

650
00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:22,890
Speaker 5: Upon an exemit?

651
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:30,010
Speaker 2: Good luck, Mary, I believe in you. Mary Clode follows

652
00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:33,050
Speaker 2: a woman down the carpeted hallway. She steps into a

653
00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:36,370
Speaker 2: small room and looks back one more time, could you

654
00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:40,969
Speaker 2: lease please? Then the exam room door closes and her

655
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:46,690
Speaker 2: test begins. The exam takes three hours, so in the

656
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:49,570
Speaker 2: meantime I borrow mary clothes car to get the poutine

657
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:53,410
Speaker 2: and whiskey. Upon my return, I scout the best place

658
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:57,290
Speaker 2: in the vestibule to assume a squatting position, whiskey bottle

659
00:37:57,330 --> 00:38:01,210
Speaker 2: proffered like a rolled up graduation diploma and scalding bowl

660
00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:05,090
Speaker 2: of poutine balanced the top my head like a graduation cap.

661
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:08,850
Speaker 2: But before I can take a knee, Mary Clode appears.

662
00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:10,290
Speaker 7: I finished.

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Speaker 2: When did you finish?

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Speaker 5: Like ten minutes ago?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding. I'm not sure if this is a

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Speaker 2: good sign or a bad one. How did it go?

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Speaker 5: I'll see.

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Speaker 2: I show Mary Clode the whiskey. You want to have

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Speaker 2: some now? Yes, I do, straight from the bottom.

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Speaker 5: Yes here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether the whiskey we're about to drink

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Speaker 2: is victory whiskey or consolation whiskey. But maybe it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: After all, Mary Clode made it this far. Maybe I

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Speaker 2: had to get into the finish line kicking and screaming,

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Speaker 2: but we crossed that finish line.

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Speaker 5: You had a hard time with all this.

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Speaker 2: I want to make a toast to you to getting

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Speaker 2: from point A to point B. A big hug get

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Speaker 2: get the mic against the scuffing sounds. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why Mary Clodes put up with me for so many years,

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Speaker 2: from the constant nagging to the bear hugging. I drive

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Speaker 2: mary Clod crazy, I know that. But I'm also able

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Speaker 2: to make her laugh through the good times, but through

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Speaker 2: the bad times as well, especially through the bad times,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that's why we've stayed friends. Or maybe I

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Speaker 2: just know when to bring the whiskey.

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Speaker 5: That's really good, isn't it good? That's good?

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Speaker 2: It's like high school again, skipping class, sneaking booze. It

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Speaker 2: feels like being kids, which at fifty is quite a thing.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh uh oh, someone's coming. Security is coming. We

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Speaker 2: gotta go.

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Speaker 5: That's that true.

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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, yeah yeah, let's go. Keep moving here. It

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Speaker 2: feels so much like being kids that I actually lose

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Speaker 2: sight of the fact that the adult coming our way

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Speaker 2: is at least twenty years my junior, and not a

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Speaker 2: security guard at all, but just a normal guy who

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Speaker 2: happens to be twice my size. Oh I thought a

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Speaker 2: big guy like that with security. They're really nervous.

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Speaker 1: She is dead.

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Speaker 9: Oh you did it.

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Speaker 5: I did the tests.

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Speaker 9: Yes, do you feel relieved?

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Speaker 5: Yes, you have no idea. It's over.

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Speaker 2: Back at mary Clodes, Helen and Katie are waiting to

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Speaker 2: congratulate their mom. She said she'd follow through, and she did,

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Speaker 2: but Mary Clode isn't sure she even passed. It's an

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Speaker 2: anxiety her daughters, who are so committed to school, just

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Speaker 2: aren't familiar with.

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Speaker 5: I can't relate to them. I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 5: I really can't. Like they work when they're tired, they

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Speaker 5: work when they don't want to, Like I beg them

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Speaker 5: to watch my own family with me or something, and

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Speaker 5: they're like, no, I have to study, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: come on, come on, I'm just really not that motivated.

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Speaker 5: But they have a motivation that I lack. I feel like,

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Speaker 5: even as an adult, I lack it. You know.

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Speaker 2: As Mary Clode speaks, Helen tries to interrupt, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I like, do you always say that, like, oh, I

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Speaker 9: don't do things I don't want to do, But like

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Speaker 9: that's not true at all. Like you do things you

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Speaker 9: don't want to do every day. It's just not maybe

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Speaker 9: it's not school, but it's other things.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 9: It's like you worked hard at the store all those years.

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Speaker 9: Like I'm sure you didn't want to like be there

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Speaker 9: all the time.

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Speaker 10: Katie joins in too, like running, like she decided a

729
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Speaker 10: couple of years ago she wanted to like get healthy

730
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Speaker 10: and all that, and she has ran like every day

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Speaker 10: for the past I don't know, five years or something.

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Speaker 10: You know, she eats healthy, she works out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what else is something that she started and she's

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Speaker 2: seen through.

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Speaker 9: I mean she raised us.

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Speaker 10: I mean yeah, we're always she always makes sure we

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Speaker 10: have food. No, for real, you're always like making sure

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Speaker 10: we have stuff to eat. We know, like wherever we're going,

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Speaker 10: how we're getting home. Like there's never been a time

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Speaker 10: where I'm like, oh, mom, just like forgot about me.

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Speaker 2: The most important commitment Mary Cloude made, she kept about

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Speaker 2: A month later. I get word then Mary Clodes got

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Speaker 2: the final exam back. It's Friday, so I phone up

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Speaker 2: for one last check in. Mary Clode picks up and

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Speaker 2: delivers the news.

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Speaker 5: I got a whopping fifty seven.

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Speaker 1: You're kidding.

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Speaker 2: My heart sinks. If only I'd pushed Mary Clode three percent.

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Speaker 5: Harder and it passes fifty.

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Speaker 6: Oh, oh, that's great, you made it.

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Speaker 10: I passed.

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Speaker 2: I thought sixty was a pass.

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Speaker 5: No, you have to get fifty on the exam, Like

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Speaker 5: I guess the assignment. I think the assignments were worth

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Speaker 5: fifty percent and the exam was worth fifty percent, So

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Speaker 5: that's why you had to get at least fifty out

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Speaker 5: of the math.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Are you proud of me?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm really I'm tempted to say a great many things,

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Speaker 2: joky things, but in the end, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what to say. I'm just it just makes me

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Speaker 2: feel really happy.

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Speaker 8: Thanks friend. It means a lot to me.

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Speaker 2: Mary Cloude is happy she passed, but the thing she's

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Speaker 2: most happy about is that today is Friday, and for

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Speaker 2: the first time in months, she doesn't have to worry

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Speaker 2: about math. She has the whole day to herself, and

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Speaker 2: she knows just how she wants to spend it.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited. I'm going to go shopping for the

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Speaker 5: girl's birthday. Helen had her birthday, but we're having her

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Speaker 5: party tomorrow with the family, and I have to go

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Speaker 5: get the cake for both of them and a birthday

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Speaker 5: presence for Katie. And then Katie is texting me.

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Speaker 7: Now that the fern entures returning to its goodwill home,

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Speaker 7: now that the last month's rent is scheming with.

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Speaker 1: The damage that possible take this moment to to so.

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Speaker 7: If we meant him, if we tried, he felt around

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Speaker 7: for far too.

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Speaker 1: From things that accidentally t.

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Speaker 2: This episode of Heavyweight was produced by Stevie Lane and

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Speaker 2: me Jonathan Goldstein, along with Khalila Holt and Ba Parker.

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Speaker 2: The show is edited by Jorge just Special thanks to

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Speaker 2: Emily Condon, Alex Bloomberg, Lulu Miller, mime O'Donnell Nabielle Chullompot,

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Speaker 2: Drew Zimbruski and Jackie Cohen. Bobby Lord mixed the episode

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Speaker 2: Hailey Shaw, and Bobby Lord. Additional music credits can be

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Speaker 2: final episode of season four, but we're already starting to

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Speaker 5: What's the name of your podcast?

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Speaker 2: You don't even know the name of my podcast, do you?

804
00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:48,930
Speaker 5: I want to say, weebles. What's it called?

805
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:52,930
Speaker 2: You think that the name of my podcast is Weebles,

806
00:46:53,970 --> 00:46:58,890
Speaker 2: like I weebel. But I don't fall down. You literally

807
00:46:58,930 --> 00:47:00,490
Speaker 2: don't even know the name of my podcast.

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00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:03,810
Speaker 5: I'm literally blanking unbelievable. I expect you to send me

809
00:47:03,850 --> 00:47:05,930
Speaker 5: like T shirts or stickers in the male hats.

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00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:07,410
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it'll be a good way for you to

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Speaker 2: learn the name of my podcast.

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Speaker 5: I have no time to listen to podcasts, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 5: very busy steadying math