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Speaker 1: Flintstones and this is onward. It is December. How about

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Speaker 1: that Christmas is almost here? And I went to a

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Speaker 1: a lovely, lovely woman. Seriously, I've come to know her

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Speaker 1: so Sia has these wonderful dinner parties, and so I've

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Speaker 1: and so I went. Now, I have to tell you

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Speaker 1: But I was desperately trying to see the new babies,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how well enough to be asking to

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Speaker 1: with Santa. Everybody wore pink. I didn't get that part

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Speaker 1: there and back because I'm not a good night driver.

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Speaker 1: Gets all glary to me. And you know, that's when

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Speaker 1: I really feel like, God, you're getting to be a

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Speaker 1: senior citizen. O'Donnell. You don't want to drive at night

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Speaker 1: because it's too glary. It's such like an old lady

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Speaker 1: let me tell you we have a wonderful show today.

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Speaker 1: Here on onward. My conversation with the one and only

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Speaker 1: Murray Hill actor comedian, host and self proclaimed hardest work

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Speaker 1: in middle aged man and showbiz. I've known Murray for

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Speaker 1: a long while now and now playing Fred on HBO's

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Speaker 1: Somebody Somewhere the Bridgid Efforts series, which is so fantastic.

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Speaker 1: We have gotten to know him so muchmuch better and

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Speaker 1: He's pure showbiz, which is his trademardphrase, and one of

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Speaker 1: Murray Hill. Murray Hill, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh right?

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Speaker 1: Like you're riding the wave of super success to them?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: You know I'm unemployed, but you know, I hope.

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Speaker 3: I feel good, Rosie, because you know I'm an overnight

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Speaker 3: success for about twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Now, exactly twenty five years ago you kind of wandered

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Speaker 3: Well, Rosie, you know we share some things in common.

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Speaker 3: So I was born in Massachusetts, right, and I'm Irish

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Speaker 1: That was it. And you sort of snuck into a

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did, and I took photographs of all these

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Speaker 2: Up my damn eyes and I said, where are the lesbians?

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Speaker 1: Where the butcher's exactly? Yes, right, you are to be found.

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Speaker 3: Not too much different than today, but thanks to you

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Speaker 2: I'm like, gay, what's that besides you know, going to Hell?

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Speaker 1: Showbiz exactly every week every Sunday, telling you Sunday, by

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Speaker 3: And by the way, every one of your friends are,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. You were, like me,

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Speaker 3: You got to go to HOMEC, right, And I just

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Speaker 1: Here's when I was doing research about you, and I

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Speaker 1: give you like you have to go to home mec? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know the Catholic parents are always challenging. Yes, they

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Speaker 1: certainly are, honey.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are. They they are both no longer with us.

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Speaker 3: But you know, my mother was very right wing conservative Republican, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So again I was ignorant, but I knew I was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the weird part was, you know where she

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Speaker 3: she totally did not you know, support gay, trans, lesbian anything,

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Speaker 3: none of that. But in elementary school, they took me

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Speaker 1: Rosie, wow, dating to sing? They put you in a

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Speaker 1: voice No.

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Speaker 3: Worse than that, they put me in a voice class

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Speaker 3: Yes, I met Bridget as you know. You know, we've

437
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 3: seen each other in person quite a few times. I'm

438
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: pretty short. I'm big, but I'm short. Bridget is like

439
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: eight feet tall. She's so tall we're hilarious looking. She's

440
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 3: so goddamn tall. So the first day my friend introduced me,

441
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: she goes, oh, Bridget just moved to town. I was like,

442
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: oh Bridget, and he was like, she's a singer. I'm like, oh, singer,

443
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: what are you doing Saturday night? Come down at Avenue

444
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: at fifth Street. I'm doing a show at this place

445
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: called mo Pickens. You're on at ninet thirty. And she

446
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 3: shows up and you know, she newly in town, and

447
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: her her show outfit back then, Rosie was a corset

448
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: and panties.

449
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: I believe it, and I'm I believe it.

450
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And like she had she used to have

451
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: one of those like Deli plaid bags, you know, like

452
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: the dollar store bags.

453
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: That was her showbag. Right, So she was a mess.

454
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: And you know, the second she hit stage, she had

455
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: that huge personality and my audience loved her, and then

456
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: we fell in love with each other and that was it.

457
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: That was it.

458
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: So she was in my shows, then I was in

459
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: her shows.

460
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: Then you she did this, and then and then she

461
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: was doing pilots and I was doing stuff, and then

462
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: you know, she hung in there and she slowly, you know,

463
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: broke that glass ceiling.

464
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: She certainly did. She invited some friends, and what a

465
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. You know, you it's so amazing that you

466
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 1: hear of men doing that for each other sometimes, but

467
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: you don't always hear about women, uh, supporting each other

468
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: and in such a basic, familiar way, you know, a

469
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: forever kind of in show business. Now, I was lucky

470
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: in most of the things I did for the whole

471
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: first part of my acting career, I was directed by women.

472
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: So weird, right, it never happened. That's like, I know,

473
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: like every movie I'm getting, it's another woman directing, it's

474
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: another legendary woman. And and so I felt like so

475
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: Penny Marshall, Nora Ephron, Bronwin Hughes people that I just

476
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: was so overwhelmed to be able to work with and

477
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: to learn from, and and uh, you know how trippy

478
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: is that, you know that you get to meet this

479
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: young girl when you're just young and in the business,

480
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: and and here you are on this hit show, this

481
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed beautiful morsel of humanity every Sunday on HBO,

482
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: and I just love it so much. And I love her.

483
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: Her sister, Tricia Mary Catherine Garrison, who I know from Broadway.

484
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: And I was so happy to see her because she

485
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: was roommate with Bridget all those years when they were

486
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: both like doing stuff at Joe's Pub and on Broadway

487
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: and off and and and they all came back together

488
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: as friends too. And I think the chemistry is so

489
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: good on that show that you can't fake it, Like

490
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: you can tell there's love there. And that's like what

491
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: you felt when you watched Mary Tyler Moore.

492
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 3: Wow, that's the greatest thing you could ever say. And

493
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: you know, we've we've all known each other. You know

494
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: that that apartment that Bridget and Mary Catherine livedd you know,

495
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: it was a ground floor apartment on the Upper West Side,

496
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: you know, with the air conditioning facing the street with

497
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: holes for little animals to come in it.

498
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: It was a shit, right, And you know I lived

499
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: way out in Brooklyn.

500
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: So you know the thing that's cool about somebody somewhere

501
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: and that I give Bridget and HBO and of course

502
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 3: are esteemed leader Carolyn aronstrous there is you know, yeah,

503
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 3: they it's so real because we are real.

504
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: Right.

505
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: They didn't get actors to play people like us, right,

506
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, because none of us fit

507
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: the you know, Each one of us is like a

508
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: misfit in our own ways. Like I'm the short, chuvy

509
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 3: trans guy, you know, Jeff is the tall, skinny homo.

510
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: And bridgets, you know, all kinds of things.

511
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: Every bridget is everything, right, correct is everything?

512
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: And an ally yes, you know, but we all of

513
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: us are very real people because we've had to deal

514
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: with a lot of adversity in our own lives.

515
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: Of course we can relate to everybody else survive.

516
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel a little bit like the Land

517
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: of Misfit Toys, only with more joy. You know. The

518
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: toys were always the broken arm and crying. Remember they

519
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: were They were not happily, you know, living their lives

520
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: there on the Land of Misfit Toys. They were sad.

521
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: But you guys, I don't know the joy that comes

522
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: through that show. I can't even tell you. Do you

523
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 1: have time, because you know, you what do you do

524
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: ten episodes or eight? I think we do seven? Yeah,

525
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: it's crazy now its new ways they do everything. But

526
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: so you have time to do other things? Are you

527
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: still like touring and hosting and what are you doing

528
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: in that area of your life?

529
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

530
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: I still host any kind of show. I love hosting.

531
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: I've done it forever. I did a game well not

532
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: a game show, a reality show last summer.

533
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: Oh I remember the Neil Patrick arat Yes, very cute.

534
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Drag Me to Dinner and you know, I got

535
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: a taste of the good life. And I know you

536
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: know this from your talk show. Yeah, but you know

537
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: on the HBO show, they don't have teleprapters.

538
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Rosie right and Dragged.

539
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: Me to Dinner.

540
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: I had about five. It was a huge one in

541
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: the back. There was one on the camera, there was

542
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: one on the side. I mean, I was a pig

543
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: and shit. It was like my favorite.

544
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: You know.

545
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: It was like the HBO is kind of like the

546
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: the high brow, the acting and all that stuff, and

547
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: then you know, the the Drag Me to Dinner is

548
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: the hosting.

549
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: And then I can you know, improv and be wild

550
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: and then go back on the script.

551
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: You know.

552
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: So it's showbiz. I love it.

553
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I hope to do more than more of both.

554
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: Of those things.

555
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, are we doing more of the drag Queen,

556
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: come to Dinner, Drag Me to Dinner? Or are they

557
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: doing more of those shows? Or was it just that

558
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: I find out next week right out next week. Right, Yeah,

559
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: so good, that's that's fantastic. Who was it that you

560
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: looked up to? Acting wise when you were a kid,

561
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: when you were in Connecticut and you were watching the

562
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: TV and you were could you find representation at all

563
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: of yourself? Did you see anyone that you were like,

564
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: I kind of get their vibe? You know?

565
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there wasn't anybody that I saw like myself,

566
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: so I kind of you know how like gay men

567
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: have always attached themselves to devas, right, yeah, it's just

568
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: part of total culture.

569
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Yes, So you know I did.

570
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: I totally totally did, like Tina Turner, yes, and Ben

571
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: Midler in the forties, right, yes, And I was like

572
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: these are these are two powerful, strong women who did

573
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck they wanted to do, totally massive personalities

574
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: and they broke the mold.

575
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 5: Yep.

576
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: So I didn't look at them as like a sexuality

577
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: or gender any of that stuff. I was just like, wow,

578
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: these are It was always women. I was like, oh,

579
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: it was incredible, like just mind blowing, right, you know,

580
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: So I so I did look up to them and

581
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: like Liza Minnelli of course, yes, And'try sand streisand yeah,

582
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: well her new book is underneath this laptop.

583
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you need four people to help

584
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: you carry it upstairs. It's it's a thousand ages and

585
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: it's something like forty eight hours of audio. Forty eight hours. Yeah,

586
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean listen, the woman is a perfectionist and she

587
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: does it as she likes. And the's at eighty one

588
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: years old. Good for her, right, and.

589
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: You know what it's You know, there isn't a more

590
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: successful woman in showbiz.

591
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Correct.

592
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's like all the different you know, verticals

593
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: that she's been in.

594
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: But Rosie, you know, I gotta.

595
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: Tell you too, you were a huge influence on me.

596
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: You got these kids got to remember you know, I

597
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: remember you from Star Search and I never looked at

598
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: you and like, my immediate thing to me when when

599
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 3: I saw you when I was younger, was it was like,

600
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: oh she's gay or lesbian.

601
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't what struck me about you when I saw you.

602
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen anybody like you on TV before, and

603
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: you were very brash and confident and you had you

604
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: have that same kind of thing, you know, that Vaudeville rhythm.

605
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly totally.

606
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: You know, but you stoock out just the same way

607
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: that Bet Midler did you.

608
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: Know, Now you might you might not.

609
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: Have felt that, because I know you feel different sometimes

610
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: we feel different than what we're portraying, especially in show is.

611
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: But you may not have felt that.

612
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: But to those of us who didn't have anyone else

613
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: to look at on TV, you were on main street

614
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: TV successful, you were doing these comedy shows and tapings

615
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 3: and stuff, and you know, there wasn't anybody else like you, right,

616
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: And to me I saw you know, was like, that's

617
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: an individual, a unique, original person who's hilarious because comedy

618
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: is all nice. A man's a guy's world, you.

619
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Know, yes, without a doubt, it's a guy's world. And

620
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I was I'm a big fan of John Rivers right

621
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: right exactly. Thank you for saying that, Murray. That's so

622
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of you and it's so sweet. And you know,

623
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever can fully appreciate the effect

624
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: that we have on others as an entertainer, because no

625
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: matter how successful I ever became, I never, in my

626
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: mind was one of them the ones that I looked

627
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: up to from that Rondelayne bedroom with a mirror that said, Hollywood,

628
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: here I come. And that's what I I was dreaming

629
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: of all my life and then to have have achieved

630
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: it and to be sixty one and take a moment

631
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: and look back at everything and go, how did I

632
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: get here? And what has this journey been about? You know?

633
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's somebody out there who's still gliding

634
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: that's ten years younger than you, has looked up to

635
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: you since you know Star Search.

636
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Here was Star Search nineteen eighty four. I was twenty two.

637
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you believe that? I was twenty two?

638
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Added David Cassidy haircut and the last the first time

639
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: I went on the.

640
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: Stage right a blazer.

641
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: I had a blazer and they said to me I

642
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: had to wear pumps. So I please, I beg you.

643
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to look for the clip and send it

644
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: to you. It's me in this willyware Gray men's suit

645
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: in pumps walking out to do my twenty seconds of

646
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: stand up comedy on Star Search. So you know, it's

647
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: funny the things you remember when you look at it

648
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: through a specific lens, you know, But listen, I think

649
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: that you're paving ways for so many in ways that

650
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: you don't even know. And for my kid, you know,

651
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: for my kid who you know, it goes on their

652
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: own journey, and I will be next to them whatever

653
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: they decide. But I would love for them to see

654
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Speaker 1: all kinds of people. And there are no rules, and

655
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Speaker 1: there is no place that you have to follow it

656
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Speaker 1: this way or end up with a body that looks

657
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: like this or be that or be this. As they

658
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: say to me, it means I'm not a girl and

659
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a boy. Okay, I understand that, And that's okay,

660
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: And that's okay exactly.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Rosie, I think on that note, it's

662
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many labels and gender identifications and

663
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: this and that and and I think, you know, because

664
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Speaker 3: I am older, you know, I also am like I

665
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: don't need I'm in a good place. I don't need

666
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: to identify myself in one way. Right, I'm kind of like,

667
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: you know, you're had year old kid, where it's like,

668
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: I'm I'm okay with who I am. It's everybody else

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Speaker 3: who needs the goddamn labels. So I'm okay with being like,

670
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Speaker 3: oh I don't I don't like to say, oh I'm Murray,

671
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm at drag King of trans I just want to

672
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: be Murray. I just want to be like everybody else, right,

673
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: you know, yes, and I think comedy. And this is

674
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: what your comedy did for me is because I saw

675
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: you as a comedian first, and I laughed at your

676
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: jokes first. I related to you as a person, as

677
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Speaker 3: a human, you know what. And I'm like, oh, she's hilarious.

678
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like, oh, that's an outcomic, that's a

679
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: leslie right over their closetive comic and all that.

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Speaker 2: Bullshit, you know.

681
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I was like, no, this person is hilarious.

682
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: You got the talent and you're a complete original, and

683
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: you're like fuck you to the system.

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00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's funny. I started doing stand up again,

685
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: just did one night at the comedy store, and you

686
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: know what, Murray, I was not very funny. I really was.

687
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: And I felt like I was one of those people

688
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: at their high school. Were you when you knew? So

689
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: I'll throw the football and then needs rotorcrof surgery the

690
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: next day. You know, you have to be doing it.

691
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: You have to stand up and do it every night.

692
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: And so I go this Saturday to do it again.

693
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to decide if I'm going to

694
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: try to make a whole New Hour because uh, it's different.

695
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: It's some of the some of the people there said

696
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: to me after the show at the comedy store, I

697
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: didn't know you did stand up comedy. I was like, seriously,

698
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I said, you had no idea it was a stand

699
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: up comic at the beginning of my career. Nope, no idea.

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Speaker 1: So it just goes to show you there's, you know,

701
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: a blank canvas everywhere you look, if you can look,

702
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true.

704
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: And I think you know that the model back then

705
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: of like comedians, you're getting their own show, whether it

706
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 3: was a sitcom or a talk show.

707
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if that happens as much.

708
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: So everybody knew you know, you and Ellen you had

709
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: you were busting and pounding the comedy scene and you're

710
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 3: breaking through a total boys club totally. Then you got

711
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: a show, right, so you know, and that was insurmountable.

712
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: But you had to put all that time in to

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Speaker 3: even just.

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Speaker 2: Get up there a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So these kids, correct, they don't know it. They don't

716
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: know it.

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00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: Go do your show at Dynasty Typewriter.

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Speaker 3: Where's that that's in on the other side of town

719
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: in LA Because that's what's changed, Okay, this is what

720
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: changed since you started, since I started, is you know

721
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Speaker 3: there's all your big clubs, right the comedy store and

722
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 3: all those rise places and here comedy sell that stuff.

723
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: But now there's a whole alternative, less agro, less male

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Speaker 3: comedy environment and dynasty typewriter in La is the place

725
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Speaker 3: where you know the young kids are playing at. Maria

726
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: Bamford's playing, Bridget's playing, you know, Adam Sandler's doing a

727
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: couple of nights there. So it's it's you know, I

728
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: think you would maybe find a different vibe there that

729
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: was going to meet you where you are now.

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Speaker 1: I definitely need a different place, not to return to

731
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: the one I had to go to the light. I

732
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: had Maria on the show Bamford, and she was telling

733
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Speaker 1: me about these afternoon lunch comedy performances she does because

734
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: she's too tired at night, and I was like, that's

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00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: what I need. I need a lunchtime comedy club so

736
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: that I can come home and deal with my kid. Listen,

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Speaker 1: You're delightful. Thank you so much for doing this.

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Speaker 2: Do you too, Rosie, You're the best.

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00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: It's great to see you, and thank you for being

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00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: so honest, stick around everybody. We'll be back with comments

741
00:38:36,880 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: from you are beloved listeners. Okay, wasn't he funny? I

742
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: love Murray I did. I hope you enjoyed it and

743
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: he and bridget effort on that show and that you

744
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: got to watch It's Somebody Somewhere HBO Max. Okay, So

745
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: our episode with Alison Joseph's ninety nine point nine percent

746
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: of the voice memos were comments about thanking me and

747
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: Alison for having a very hard conversation. And here are

748
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Speaker 1: a couple that really represent what everybody was saying. And

749
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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for listening and sticking through

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00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: it and for all of your support. So we have

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00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: a voice memo now from Chris. Let's hear what Chris

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00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: has to say.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Rosie, this is Chris from Los Angeles. It's been

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00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 5: great getting to be reacquainted with you through the course

755
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: of this podcast. I love so many of the conversations

756
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 5: that you've had. They've been entertaining that maybe laugh, they

757
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 5: made me think. It's been a really, really great part

758
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Speaker 5: of my week, and so thank you very much. I

759
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: wanted to send a special thank you for the conversation

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Speaker 5: you just had with Alison Joseph's This was a tough one,

761
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Speaker 5: and I'm sure it was tough for you and.

762
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Speaker 2: Tough for Alison.

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Speaker 5: But what I wanted to rather than offering an opinion

764
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: on the conversation, what I wanted to say was thank you.

765
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: It was so great to hear two confident, smart women

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Speaker 5: have a debate.

767
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Speaker 2: A healthy, strong debate where.

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Speaker 5: Both of you stood firm in your perspectives and yet

769
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Speaker 5: we're so respectful of the other. And I just thought

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Speaker 5: it was a great exchange of ideas and I really

771
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 5: benefited from hearing of it, you know, having seen a

772
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Speaker 5: lot of the stuff that's going on in the Middle

773
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Speaker 5: East and not really knowing what to believe, what to feel,

774
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 5: feeling very confused about the whole situation, So that was

775
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 5: great to hear. And also considering the way men in

776
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 5: Congress have behaved, certainly in the last few weeks, where

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00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 5: it feels like discourse now in Congress is.

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Speaker 2: On the level of a barroom every week.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure how much that actually accomplishes, and it

780
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: just seems to make us more divided and more base

781
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 5: in our communication. So, you know, hearing the two of

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Speaker 5: you have a strong, healthy debate, like This was really

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00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 5: instructive to me, and I wish that that's the way

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00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 5: debate could be today in America. It seems like we'd

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00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 5: get a lot more done anyway. So I just wanted

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Speaker 5: to say thank you, and I look forward to more conversations,

787
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: whether they're fun and light or whether they're really thoughtful

788
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 5: and passionate and uncomfortable like the one you were willing

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Speaker 5: to have with Allison.

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Speaker 1: So thank you both. Well, thank you, Chris. That was

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Speaker 1: a beautiful message that you left. And you know, I

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00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: think both Alison and I have been getting mostly comments

793
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: just like that, and it was a difficult discussion to have,

794
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: but I knew from talking to her for the last

795
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: couple of years online. I knew what she was about

796
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: and who she was, and how she loves her family

797
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: and how she has strong convictions about her belief in

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00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: what it means to be Jewish in the world today,

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Speaker 1: and I have nothing but respect for her. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make sure to invite someone to come and have

801
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: this discussion with me, someone like Alison, who I knew

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00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: was kind and respectful and intelligent and not looking for

803
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: a fight. You know, I think that that's you know,

804
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: when I saw that what you were referring to in

805
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: Congress about the two congressmen, like taking off his ring

806
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: to get in a fistfight with somebody about I mean,

807
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It used to be that was unheard

808
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: of for the US Congress, right, And we've fallen, Boy,

809
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: have we fallen in terms of being able to have

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Speaker 1: political discourse without violence. You know, so thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. And I want to thank Alison Joseph's again.

812
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm hoping that we can continue to

813
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: have deep discussions when the situation in the world calls

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Speaker 1: for it. And you know that you guys will will

815
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: stick with me through the tough ones and through the fun,

816
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: light easy ones. And you know, life is a mixed

817
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: bag and you don't only get one side of anything,

818
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: and it's good to open up your perspectives and hear

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00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: other people's ideas. And that's something I say to myself

820
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: in a constant, constant way. I always think, when I

821
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: have these strong opinions, who asked you? You know, shut up, o'donald.

822
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: Nobody asked you.

823
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: But I do have a need sometimes to speak. And

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00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: from having been in the public eye for so many years,

825
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: you kind of start to think it's your job, you know,

826
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Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't have a doctorate in midi studies,

827
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: so I wonder to myself why do I have such

828
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Speaker 1: strong opinions? But I'm glad I have a place to

829
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: put them in. It's right here onward. So thank you, Chris,

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00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: thank you so very much. I think we have one more.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what that is, Hi, Rosio o'donald.

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Speaker 6: I hope you hear this message because I really wanted

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Speaker 6: to send you a very big hug today. I've just

834
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 6: listened to your podcast and I thought you sounded like

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00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 6: you needed a hug, So I want to send you

836
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 6: a hug. And you say, oh, I've only got a

837
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Speaker 6: little podcast. Well, I'm Irish living in France for almost

838
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 6: twenty years, and it's the highlight of my week. So

839
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Speaker 6: don't underestimate what you're doing, and don't underestimate the positivity

840
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 6: that you bring to people's lives and the ways you

841
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 6: help us see and understand things differently. With everything you're doing,

842
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 6: I really really appreciate it, and you deserve a giant hug.

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00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: And from all your community, I know we love you

844
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Speaker 1: so much. And that's it.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, I'm a mom to a little boy that

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Speaker 6: I adopted to, and here's the light of my life.

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Speaker 6: So I love hearing when you talk about Dakota and

848
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Speaker 6: your other kids and doing what you're doing. On word Rosie,

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Speaker 6: love you.

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Speaker 1: Bye, so sweet. I love your brogue. It's beautiful. Reminds

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00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: me of my grandmother, so wild Listen, thank you. I

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00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: did sort of need a hug. You know, it's scary

853
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: to voice your opinion when there's such insundiary remarks flying

854
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: here and there all over the media this way, that way,

855
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: and you know it's never to be right. It's to

856
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: get to better understanding of people who disagree with what

857
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you're feeling and seeing. And you know I could have

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00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: used a hug, so thank you, But I will say this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Alison is very warm, and she's very she's

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Speaker 1: very smart, and I only have love and respect for her.

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Speaker 1: But I did feel anxious to not say the wrong thing,

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00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: to not trigger someone to stand by, you know, my

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00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: beliefs and disparage any other any other group, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it's hard to do that. Sometimes it's hard to

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Speaker 1: feel vulnerable. But it's so nice to hear the reaction

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Speaker 1: and that people were moved by it, and and some

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00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: people felt that they had a better understanding. And then

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Speaker 1: that's really the goal of this podcast and pretty much

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Speaker 1: every podcast, don't you think. Although some do try to incite,

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Speaker 1: you know, viral content, but we're not looking to do

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Speaker 1: that here. We're looking to have some healthy, fun conversations

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Speaker 1: and some deep subjects.

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Speaker 2: When wre did so.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and kiss your baby for me. All right,

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Speaker 1: and we have one more. We have one more, and

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Speaker 1: guess who it is, our old friend Meryll coming back

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Speaker 1: for her third comment. I can't wait to hear it.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. That was that was difficult listening. Hi,

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Speaker 4: we need light, light, banter and the humor. Come on,

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00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: and everyone needs to just love one another. It's not

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Speaker 4: that difficult, not that difficult to be kind, smile, look,

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Speaker 4: help engage. You know. There's too much stuff that separates everyone.

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Speaker 4: And it's come on, we're so alike, you know, when

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Speaker 4: it comes down to it with this, we got the

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Speaker 4: same shit going on in our bodies. Come on, anyway,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned squirrels. I want to move on to lighter shit. Squirrels.

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Speaker 4: I'm in love with my squirrels. They're so happy to

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Speaker 4: see me.

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Speaker 1: Every day.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny anyway.

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Speaker 1: That's all I just needed to say.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's lighten up and laugh more and love more.

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Speaker 1: You know, life is short.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's Meryl and hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: I just love Meryl right. Most of the other ones

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Speaker 1: were thank you for having the hard conversation. She's like, enough,

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Speaker 1: make it more funny. Well, I think Meryl's gonna enjoy

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Speaker 1: next week on Onward. You can join me for my

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Speaker 1: conversation with Annoyed Lemon. I know what you're thinking, Annoyed Lemon,

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Speaker 1: what is she talking about? Well, if you're not a TikToker,

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Speaker 1: you may not know who Annoyed Lemon is. And well

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Speaker 1: neither does anyone kind of because on TikTok she decided

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Speaker 1: to just be an anonymous, floating lemon with giant eyes

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Speaker 1: and lips and never give away her identity. She just

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Speaker 1: quips her opinions about life and does amazing book reviews.

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Speaker 1: She loves memoirs. She's a memoir queen and I love

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Speaker 1: her so much. Whenever I tune into her, and I

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Speaker 1: do every day I flip through, I find her, I stop.

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Speaker 1: She makes me laugh out loud, and I just thought

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Speaker 1: we would have a nice, fun, happy conversation with annoyed lemon.

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Speaker 1: It's next week on Onward with me, Rosie O'Donnell. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Happy Hanukah and peace.