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Speaker 2: Pulled in by Wilson for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Wanna throw by Kyler Murray facing pressure Connor to the

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Speaker 2: Problem solved bed.

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Speaker 4: On the Enzo pickoff.

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Speaker 2: Hi's here White with the interception.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 1: the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty, right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic, all right.

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Speaker 2: So Darren Irban his back from his road trip. Darren,

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Speaker 2: what's the over under on service fees? Do you think

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Speaker 2: you paid over the course of your trip between you know,

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Speaker 2: the bag charge and the airline maybe like a fuel charge.

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Speaker 2: You got to the resort, your palatial resort. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there's the onerous resort fee, other fees on your ride share.

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Speaker 4: This bothers me because I sent you a photo of

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Speaker 4: what my view was outside my hotel window, and it

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Speaker 4: most certainly was not a resort.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was an asphalt fee, and if you look,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was on Southwest, no bag fees, and I didn't

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Speaker 4: check a bag anyways. I was only gone for like

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Speaker 4: a blink of an eye.

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Speaker 2: It's well done. Well, that's unlike what the Cardinals are

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Speaker 2: going to do to the rest of the NFL. Anyone

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Speaker 2: who comes calling for pick number four, there most definitely

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Speaker 2: will be a QB surcharge, a handling fee, a processing fee. Danny,

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Speaker 2: you know, retainer. What's the line from a goodwill honey?

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Speaker 2: Remember the ben Affleck scene? Retainer? That was an all

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Speaker 2: time scene.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, Danny has never heard of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Anyway, Paul said he'd never heard.

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Speaker 4: Of Susannah Hoffs. Everybody he's older than I am.

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Speaker 2: Let's see Academy Award winning film or Barely don't relevant

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Speaker 2: go there, banned from the late eighties.

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Speaker 4: Early eighties, early eighties, mid eighties.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're.

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Speaker 4: Raid in your wheelhouse of when you would care about

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Speaker 4: those things.

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Speaker 2: That's just my roundabout way of saying that if you're

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Speaker 2: the New York Giants, if you're the Denver Broncos, either

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, Las Vegas Raiders fill in the blank, yes,

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Speaker 2: thou shalt expect to pay the quarterbacks surcharged for coming

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Speaker 2: up to number four. And oh, by the way, just

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Speaker 2: to put it in real time, as we launch here

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Speaker 2: into Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation,

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Speaker 2: guess what the LSU pro day is going on? And

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Speaker 2: news that Jayden Daniels is going to meet with the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: the Commanders, the Giants, the Vikings, the Broncos, and the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: At least three of those teams are behind the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: in the draft order.

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Speaker 4: You're right, this trade is absolutely a possibility, much just

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Speaker 4: the chagrin of probably many many people listening right.

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Speaker 2: Now, and based on Darren, I know you love this.

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Speaker 2: You know. As to the state the current market rate

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Speaker 2: for quarterbacks as they stand right now, Danny, would you

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Speaker 2: agree that JJ McCarthy is QB rising and Drake May

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Speaker 2: be available at four at this rate. And guess who

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Speaker 2: supposedly allegedly covets themselves. Drake May, the former offensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you're somehow secretly a part of JJ

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Speaker 3: of pumping him up before the draft and getting his

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Speaker 5: It's it's possible.

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Speaker 3: I guess I could see McCarthy being one of the

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Speaker 5: Either way. It's a good spot for the Cardinals to

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Speaker 4: Do you think that Drake May is on the board

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Speaker 2: I didn't until Tom Pelissaro didn't even.

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Speaker 5: Give him a chance to answer.

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Speaker 4: He because there's only one answer.

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Speaker 2: I did not until Darren, while you were at the

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Speaker 5: Whatever the caing in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Darren, guess what your competition, your network competition. Tom

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Speaker 2: Pelissaro won an NFL network, And to make sure I

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Speaker 2: get this correct, I'm going to quote him directly here, Pelissaro.

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Speaker 2: When I've had conversations here with the executives from other

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Speaker 2: teams who know Adam Peters well, the new GM at Washington,

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Speaker 4: Know that Tom Pelisaro is on a megaphone of the

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Speaker 4: NFL network, yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: The most popular answer for what the commanders will do,

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Speaker 2: as expected by his colleagues at number two is JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: That's what they want you to think, Paul.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't come from Washington. This comes from the colleagues. No, No,

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Speaker 2: you're Washington GM Adam Peters.

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Speaker 4: Here's the first part about that again, Read it again.

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Speaker 2: When I've had conversations here with the execs from other

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Speaker 4: Will know Adam Peters, well, that's coming from Washington. Yes,

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Speaker 4: or you're just guessing. No, you're pulling it out of

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Speaker 2: I'm reading that as those around Adam Peters, meaning other teams,

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Speaker 2: He would cover it. And that ostensibly is JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 4: Any tell you, I gotta tweet out. I'm gonna tweet

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Speaker 4: out Danny. I'm going to tweet out that. Paul Calvic,

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Speaker 4: people close to him know that he desperately he wants

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy to go in the top four.

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Speaker 3: Paul, do you know that this happens every year? We

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Speaker 3: of the year where everybody's names are going to get

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Speaker 3: hyped up because they want you thinking about them.

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Speaker 5: They want to.

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Speaker 3: Rise their draft capital and make them seem like they

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Speaker 3: it is. And this is a great example of that.

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Speaker 3: Who in their right mind, if you are an NFL

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Speaker 3: want a draft that high and start telling other people,

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Speaker 4: TV even if it doesn't just having other teams know that.

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Speaker 5: No, no way.

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Speaker 2: I'm just answering your question, which was do you expect

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Speaker 2: Drake May to be available at four? And I'm saying

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Speaker 5: It's just smoke screen the game.

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Speaker 4: The answer is no.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, Okay, tell me if this is

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Speaker 2: real or not. Can a JJ McCarthy increase his doc

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Speaker 2: and his standing and draft projection by all interviewing really well,

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Speaker 2: by coming in and blowing away executives with his maturity,

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Speaker 2: his work on the whiteboard, his understanding of offenses and

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Speaker 2: where to go with the ball. And then when they

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Speaker 2: dig a little bit deeper into his film, whereas you thought, okay,

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Speaker 2: Michigan was a machine, the national champion. Oh wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: give me a cutup of third and long situations and

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Speaker 2: watch JJ McCarthy deciphered, diagnose, and deliver the ball with

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Speaker 2: anticipation and accuracy. Because I heard Joel Klatt say it.

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Speaker 2: I heard Daniel Jeremiah say it when you go back

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Speaker 2: and you look at his film, and Joel Klatt said

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Speaker 2: he worked sixteen Michigan games over the last three years,

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Speaker 2: saw the development, the improvement. So maybe all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: these personnel valeuadors in the NFL are seeing the same

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Speaker 2: thing and going back and after doing further due diligence, saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: maybe JJ McCarthy has better anticipation, accuracy, and ability to

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Speaker 5: If that's the case, that's why thing.

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Speaker 3: But to come to this conclusion for the soul fact

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Speaker 3: is not going to make me. That actually makes me

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Speaker 3: believe it even less, given the time of year that

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Speaker 4: To be quite honest with you, I'll be I'll be

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Speaker 4: honest if he's if he's rising that kind of way. One,

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking that whatever team is allowing that to happen

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Speaker 4: That would be number one and number two. I just

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's what's really happening. I am a

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Speaker 4: some ways is a combination of smoke screen and people

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Speaker 4: just I saw, I mean, you can you can do

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Speaker 4: a lot of different stuff. Somebody, I saw somebody who

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Speaker 4: college war wins again over replacement against replacement. Whatever of

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Speaker 4: was like something ridiculous. It was like, uh, you know

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Speaker 4: bo Nicks, and McCarthy, and they all were like plus

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean Harball with the Chargers said that

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Speaker 3: what McCarthy had the best pro day he's seen, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he laid it on Thick. I have it

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Speaker 2: right here. Who said that Jim Harbaugh doubled down on

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy during his breakfast meeting.

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Speaker 5: While you allowed to say that as.

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Speaker 3: An NFL coach at this point before the draft, do

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Speaker 3: you allow to say that?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, the first thing I thought of again

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Speaker 4: talking about self serving? Who has served more than the charge?

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Speaker 4: If we get another quarterback in the top four, yes, well,

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Speaker 4: so why are we believing him?

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Speaker 2: There's three all's, well, there's three things that are self

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Speaker 2: serving for Jim Harbaugh. Number one, JJ McCarthy. They have

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Speaker 2: a relationship his guy. He wants him to go as

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Speaker 2: high as possible number two. To your point, Darren, that yes,

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Speaker 2: if JJ McCarthy goes four, then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: guess what, Jim Harbaugh gets the best position player non

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Speaker 2: quarterback in the draft at five theoretically, and then number three.

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Speaker 2: Guess what if JJ McCarthy does go really high? Who

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Speaker 2: does that reflect well on his former college head coach

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Speaker 2: who developed him, Jim Harbaugh. So, yes, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of wins in there for Jim Harbaugh. But Danny, you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he said, and I'm quoting, I think he's

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Speaker 2: the best quarterback in the draft. Is during the coach's

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Speaker 2: breakfast while you were with you know, JG and the NFC.

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Speaker 2: During the AFC session.

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Speaker 4: He said that FC session was separate, right I was

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Speaker 4: in that room.

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Speaker 2: He says that JJ McCarthy had a killer comes out

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Speaker 2: when adversity hits. And then he said, that was the

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Speaker 2: best throwing day I've ever seen. That was the best

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Speaker 3: And the receivers he's been working with also have a.

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Speaker 2: The only quarterback true or false, that I can remember

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Speaker 4: That's because of the Pro Day. It has nothing to

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I barely pay attention to Pro day's because

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Speaker 3: I feel, but you have so much knowledge and insight

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Speaker 3: looking into these players that I don't think a Pro

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Speaker 4: I could complete a bunch of passes on a Pro day?

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Speaker 4: Can you that's not that hard.

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Speaker 4: Could only be about twenty yards max.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we should do our own Pro day.

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Speaker 2: Everybody wonders what the Ears and the Cardinals are going

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Speaker 2: to do at number four, and Jim Harbaugh did say

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Speaker 4: So you're not going with a Mike Tannembaugh at the

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Speaker 4: Tannembaum that the Cardinals will take a quarterback at four.

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Speaker 5: And then Trey Kyler Murray Minnesota Murray.

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Speaker 2: So let me just go onead round.

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Speaker 3: Which quarterback did he have the Cardinals taking? That's the

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Speaker 3: best part, Darren.

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Speaker 4: It was JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Paul, look when I said.

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Speaker 4: Now we're talking about the kickbacks. Now, conspiracy theory is

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Speaker 2: For two months, I've gone with the hashtag let there

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Speaker 2: be a fourth QB.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's true.

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Speaker 2: In no way. Did I meet it in the context

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Speaker 2: to your point, Mike Tannenbaum, and the only reason that

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Speaker 2: I'm one of the biggest platforms in media ESPN that

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Speaker 4: And then say, I think I think his his stupid

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Speaker 4: for No. Number twenty seven. No, it was a number eleven.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a number eleven.

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Speaker 2: Here it is right here. Okay, you draft JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 2: wide receiver out of Georgia. So, and I think you

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Speaker 2: let me get this straight. Instead of Kyler and Marvin

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I said that or I had

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Speaker 4: just texted you that. Whatever was speaking of, I mean.

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Speaker 2: But it was a good summation of the idiocy.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's see here. We're going to take a show

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Speaker 4: of hands for everybody listening. So what would the Cardinal

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Speaker 4: of four and don't take Marvin Harrison. Have a pretty

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Speaker 4: good idea how that's going to go.

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Speaker 3: I think they are warming up to that idea, depending

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Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, my leak neighbors just ran a

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Speaker 2: four to three five. Does that give you pause for thought?

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Speaker 3: More so in the sense if you do trade down

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Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead there, and no no, it's and then

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Speaker 4: the other one would be you give up Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 5: Ryots nic Riot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you get the coveted rookie contract, you get

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Speaker 3: Cridinals aren't in a position where they are they're pressed

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Speaker 2: JJ's only twenty one and Kyler is getting a little

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Speaker 4: You don't. You wouldn't get cap relief at least for

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Speaker 3: We know the pros of having younger players. We know

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Speaker 3: transition phase, you need veteran experience, and I would absolutely

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Speaker 5: A quarterback and Kyler Murray, who.

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Speaker 3: Showed significant strides in just playing eight games, not having

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Speaker 3: the way we saw him grow in those eight games

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Speaker 5: When Kyler was out on the field.

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Speaker 3: I would much rather stealthy Kyler out there with a

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Speaker 3: There's still a lot of areas the Cardinals are having

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Speaker 5: I would rather have Kyler.

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Speaker 3: Murray as my quarterback than bring in a rookie and

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Speaker 4: I want to go back to where you said that

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't. I could. I could see how

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Speaker 2: Two things. One, I think it's a little different because

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Speaker 4: I think they viewed saw three. They just realized no

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Have we looked at that yet? Has anyone really taken

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Speaker 2: a look? I forget all, they ridiculous fan projections, right,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go down two spots and to Danny's points,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you'd get a future first.

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Speaker 4: No, you wouldn't. I mean, if I'm the Giants, I'm

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Speaker 2: In this draft. In considering the Giants or you know,

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Speaker 2: one starter. Yeah, that's where you could get a starting center,

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Speaker 4: Here's the other thing I don't disagree with you. There.

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Speaker 4: that obviously would change the market that you might have

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Speaker 2: All right, So Bucky Brooks NFL dot Com, we'll just

443
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Speaker 2: give you a couple more quick mock drafts and then

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Speaker 2: we'll go to the league meetings, which Darren covered in person.

445
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Speaker 2: So Bucky Brooks three point zero this week on NFL

446
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Speaker 2: dot Com. Caleb Williams one, Jaden Daniels two to Washington,

447
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy three to New England because Danny, of course,

448
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady calls Robert Kraft and says, take my Michigan guy,

449
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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, that whole connection. And then actually Bucky Brooks

450
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Speaker 2: has a Cardinals stand at four, taking Marvin Harrison Junior.

451
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Speaker 2: I pause for the Red Sea to rejoice, and then

452
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Speaker 2: Drake May falls to eleven. No way to Minnesota. That's

453
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Speaker 2: what Bucky Brooks says. Heaven Matt Miller on the day

454
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Speaker 2: we record this, he comes out with Cardinals trade number

455
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Speaker 2: four to Denver. As the Broncos come up, take JJ McCarthy.

456
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Speaker 2: Cardinals go to twelve Denver's pick. They take Brian Thomas Junior,

457
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Speaker 2: which I could definitely see. Then the Cardinals net a

458
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five first round pick, a twenty twenty six

459
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Speaker 2: first round pick, and then at twenty seven they take

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Speaker 2: Graham Barton, the interior O lineman from Duke.

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals would get Thomas, the wide receiver from Lsu. Yes,

462
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Speaker 3: I I to me, I don't Is it Is it

463
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Speaker 3: realistic that Denver would give up a twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: and a twenty twenty six first.

465
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Speaker 2: Are they going with Jared Stidham and Ben Denucci?

466
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Speaker 4: Oh?

467
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying like a twenty twenty five first Sure,

468
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Speaker 3: but I don't know that it'd be another first on

469
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Speaker 3: top of that.

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Speaker 4: Well, but you do have the Broncos over a barrel

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Speaker 4: in terms.

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Speaker 5: Of yes, that's true.

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Speaker 4: You either give us that or you don't. And I

474
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Speaker 4: don't know what their second round. I don't know if

475
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Speaker 4: they have a second round pick this year.

476
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Speaker 2: I don't think they do. I think they're still paying

477
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Speaker 2: the price for the Russell Wilson, for George Payton being

478
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Speaker 2: the Seattle team MVP two years running.

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Speaker 4: The Broncos are interesting to me. Jeff Duncan, who has

480
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Speaker 4: covered the Saints for forever and covered Sean Payton's entire

481
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Speaker 4: tenure here, has made the point a couple of times

482
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Speaker 4: that Sean Payton is the kind of guy that if

483
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Speaker 4: he decides there's something he wants to do, especially in

484
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Speaker 4: terms of quarterback, he will do. He'll move heaven and

485
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Speaker 4: earth to get it done. So maybe that is something

486
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Speaker 4: he would be willing to sacrifice. And the other thing, too,

487
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Speaker 4: is if you're him and you think you're getting a

488
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Speaker 4: quarterback you can win with, you know again, you're you

489
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Speaker 4: might be talking about first round picks in the twenties,

490
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Speaker 4: not high now. I don't see the Broncos next year

491
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Speaker 4: doing great things with JJ McCarthy. But who knows.

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Speaker 3: Would I would, at least I would heavily consider that deal.

493
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Speaker 3: If that's what you're getting, for sure, I would.

494
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Speaker 5: I'd consider that so well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and look, this comes full circle back to Sean

496
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Speaker 2: Payton saying I think it's good to be Monty, and

497
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Speaker 2: then Mani's response to you was about it.

498
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Speaker 4: Well, Mani's response when I first said it to him,

499
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Speaker 4: and he chuckled and he goes, well, he wasn't around

500
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Speaker 4: a couple days ago when we got back at nine

501
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Speaker 4: thirty after a day at Disney, and that's right, universal.

502
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Speaker 2: But then he said, was nice of Shonda, Oh.

503
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Speaker 4: It was nice of Shanta recognize. I forget what the

504
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Speaker 4: exact quote was, but I mean, again, Monty made the

505
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Speaker 4: point which I agree with, and this is something I

506
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Speaker 4: definitely brought up on the Red Sea Report, which was

507
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Speaker 4: it might be good to be Monty right now, but

508
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Speaker 4: that's less about where the Cardinals are and more about

509
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Speaker 4: what's happening in front of them. I mean, the only

510
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Speaker 4: reason it is quote unquote good to be Monty is

511
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Speaker 4: because you're there are more than three teams that need

512
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks and you're assuming there's going to be this fourth quarterback.

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Speaker 4: That's why it would be good to be Bonti. And

514
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 4: again that's why I go back to I'm very curious

515
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Speaker 4: about which three quarterbacks go early and what these teams

516
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Speaker 4: that aren't in those top three end up liking about

517
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Speaker 4: the other quarterbacks. I mean, there's been speculation, which we

518
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Speaker 4: haven't even discussed, that the Patriots could trade out of

519
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Speaker 4: three because they might like one of these other quarterbacks

520
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Speaker 4: that aren't at the top and move down and maybe

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Speaker 4: the Patriots trade with the Broncos and grab Bo Nix

522
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Speaker 4: at twelve.

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals would still win based on what we have

524
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Speaker 3: seen with projections, though, of staying at four, I agree.

525
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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's the end of the world.

526
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Speaker 3: If now that obviously affects trade options, and if that's

527
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Speaker 3: what you are hoping for is training down a couple

528
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Speaker 3: of spots to build that capital there, that would.

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Speaker 5: Obviously affect that.

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Speaker 3: But the Cardinals, in my mind, would still win. If

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Speaker 3: New England trades down, you can stay at four and

532
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Speaker 3: do whatever you Well.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing. If the quote unquote worst case scenario

534
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Speaker 4: for the Cardinals is staying at four and taking one

535
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Speaker 4: of those top three receivers, maybe Arvan Harrison. I don't

536
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: know fans, then yeah, that's that's not a bad place

537
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Speaker 4: to be at all. So maybe it is good to

538
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Speaker 4: be Monty.

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Speaker 2: You know what's I.

540
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't mind going to a Universal and Disney I don't.

541
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Speaker 4: I don't mind it.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, what was it? Two things about that whole

543
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: MONI comment from Sean Payton. Number One, they're obviously on

544
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Speaker 2: a first name basis. I don't know if they've ever

545
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Speaker 2: worked together before. But it's interesting how Sean just.

546
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: Said, Sean says Monty interviewed him.

547
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Speaker 5: Didn't he last year?

548
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Speaker 4: Sean Payton interviewed with a cardinal.

549
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Speaker 5: Yes, and Monty was already hired, was he not?

550
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: I was mony in place when Sean Payton came in.

551
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Speaker 4: I didn't think. I didn't think they were. They were

552
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Speaker 4: looking at coaches before Monty got I'm.

553
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Speaker 3: Pretty sure Monty was already hired, all right, So maybe

554
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Speaker 3: that okay?

555
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: All right, So erase that from my conspiracy theories, the

556
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: fact they're on a first name basis like that. But

557
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: here's what's more. What's more telling to me is when

558
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: Sean Payton said twice quote, I think it's realistic to

559
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Speaker 2: go up and get a quarterback and then double donna

560
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Speaker 2: on it and saying I don't know what the cost

561
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: is yet, but I don't. That's not to say it's

562
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: unrealistic to think we wouldn't trade up for a quarterback.

563
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: Meaning I'm guessing that enough teams are taking money seriously

564
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: with the open for business Neon sign that he has

565
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: flashing over the Cardinals pick number four, and they do

566
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: believe a deal can be done well.

567
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, based on what we saw from last year in

568
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: his first year as GM, the making two trades right

569
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: off the top in that first round to move down

570
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: and then back up a couple of spots. Absolutely, I

571
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: would think that teams would take that seriously. But again,

572
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: when I hear that's it reminds me of what else

573
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: would Sean Payton say, right like, of course they're gonna

574
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 3: want to make it seem like they are open for

575
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: deals to see what is out there.

576
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Speaker 5: Of course he's gonna want to make it seem like, yes,

577
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: we will do what it takes.

578
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Speaker 3: To get a quarterback. What he's not gonna say, we're

579
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: gonna sit here at where are they?

580
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 5: Twelve?

581
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: And I guess my responsible be if he already knew

582
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: the asking price was too high, then you would probably

583
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: share that as maybe to send a message to the

584
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 2: Cardinals like you or lower you're asking demands. Also maybe

585
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 2: lower the expectations of your fan base, because when you

586
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: say that, you know how Broncos fans are thinking, all, yeah,

587
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: here we go. Just a matter of time. We got

588
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: a trade Bruin, We're going up into the top five,

589
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: We're gonna get that franchise quarterback. So I'm Sean Payton,

590
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: I would pump the brakes on that unless I knew

591
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: for sure it was doable, feasible, realist.

592
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Speaker 4: I have two points to make on that. Number One,

593
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Speaker 4: I don't think Sean Payton cares what the fan base

594
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: is thinking. I don't know why you would, but I

595
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: understand what you're saying. I don't. He does not strike

596
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: me as somebody who really cares if they and.

597
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: Speaking a team million a year, Probably not.

598
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: And then and then the other thing I keep thinking

599
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: is like, how many how many people are listening to

600
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: this right now and like screaming at the top of

601
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: our lungs to us, which we can't hear you because

602
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 4: this is recorded. You know how much they don't want

603
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: the Cardinals to trade this pic.

604
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 5: Which is valid.

605
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: Guess what people get your mind it that the pick

606
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: is for sale and if the price is met, it

607
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: will be dealt.

608
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: I if I had my Bingo card, I think I

609
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: might have just gotten Bingo.

610
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Speaker 5: We'll have to look upon back to the office.

611
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Speaker 2: By the way, can I just before we get to

612
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: the league meetings, can I just say maybe the most

613
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: ridiculous thing about the Mike Tannenbaum mock draft is that

614
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: he has the airs on a Cardinals picking JJ McCarthy

615
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: when everyone knows that they're taking bow Nicks. Right. The

616
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: CBS Sports mock draft from last month had the Cardinals

617
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: at twenty seven taking bo Nix. And then it was

618
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: reported by an online site that tracks all the reported

619
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Speaker 2: visits that the Cardinals did use one of their combine

620
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Speaker 2: meetings to visit fifteen minutes with bow Knicks. Why would

621
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Speaker 2: that happen? Why would you use one of your cherished,

622
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: coveted interview slots at the combine to meet with bow Nicks.

623
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Speaker 3: That was before the trade to get Desmond Ritter.

624
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: Maybe no, that's true.

625
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: Was maybe a.

626
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: Good point now that you would draft boon Nicks in

627
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: the first round to be a backup quarterback by Cody.

628
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Speaker 4: Cody, give you your nose out of the bingo card.

629
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Speaker 4: Dang it.

630
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: That's uh, well, that was my attempt to try and

631
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: stir it up in the bon Knicks front and actually

632
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: and Danny made a very good point. So it blows

633
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: out out of the water, which means I'm gonna move

634
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: on now to the headlines from the uh from the

635
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: league meetings. So I don't know what order you want

636
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: to start, but I think we all in Cardinals Nation

637
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: found it interesting that Jonathan Gannon said there will be

638
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: a joint practice again this.

639
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 5: Year road trip.

640
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: An AFC team, A good AFC team is what he says.

641
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: Some tells me he wouldn't have said. It was a

642
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: bad answer.

643
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: Do you think we can we can request that the

644
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: joint practice for what would be the first time in

645
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: three years is somewhere that doesn't have an insane humidity.

646
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: Where where would that be?

647
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: Jacksonville, Houston? No, No, think about think about the good

648
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: AFC chief Think not because.

649
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: We were in Nashville two years ago and that was humid,

650
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: and then Minnesota last year.

651
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know.

652
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: How the players survived those practices because even just standing there.

653
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: It was I was drenched.

654
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean even the cattle in Minnesota were taking cover.

655
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: It was that bad. Okay, the farm reports said look out, although.

656
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: I don't think Gannon is taking our weather preferences into consideration.

657
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 5: So I'm just saying it's not as human.

658
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: Don't forget. This is a team that the Cardinals will

659
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 4: have to play in the preseason, because that's how it works.

660
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Right, Chargers Charge. I'm privately hoping for Chargers obviously. Then

661
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: where do they fish in category? Oh? Boy, Well, they

662
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: used to do it out by the ocean.

663
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really nice.

664
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: Yes, they used to. Now they're in coast to Maysie.

665
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: And trust me, when they were in San Diego and

666
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: we did a joint week of practices in the preseason,

667
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: it's not quite as close enough to the ocean, and

668
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: it was hotter than heck that.

669
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very hot. That's when Mike McCoy was

670
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: their head coach, remember that. Yeah? Okay, so all right,

671
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: So there was that joint practice to be announced at

672
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: a later date, although it sounds like it's already been arranged.

673
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: They're going to be a pair of Christmas Day games,

674
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: even though it's on a Wednesday. I don't feel great

675
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: about that Christmas Day doubleheader. I heard the commissioner, Roger

676
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: Goodell say that three of the top ten rated regular

677
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: season telecasts last year was the trio of Christmas Day games.

678
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: So for everyone ring, why are what they do Christmas

679
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: Day games on a Wednesday.

680
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: That's why we just talked off air and jim O

681
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: Hunters little daughter. What does she four? Three or four

682
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: or five? That's the first thing she does when.

683
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: We're not talking about five year old Emily. Because I'm

684
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: currently trailing five year old Emily in the March.

685
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: Madness based off mascots challenge.

686
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: That's the first thing she does when she gets up

687
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: Christmas morning is wonder one kickoff.

688
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: And I if Christmas didn't fall on a Wednesday, if

689
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: it were you know, a Sunday, a Monday, a Thursday, whatever, that.

690
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: Might be skip Tuesday. Did you notice that, Paul.

691
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: I'm just it's on a Wednesday this year, so it

692
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: now has to be whoever's playing on Christmas is going

693
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: to play the Saturday before, so that it's the same

694
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: time of playing a Sunday in a Thursday game. I

695
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 3: just I understand this is a business and money talks

696
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: at some point, I mean, the players, the staff not

697
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: to bring us into it because the league doesn't care

698
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: about us at all. You really don't have much of

699
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: a life which you sign up for during the season

700
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: to go out of your way to take probably the

701
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: one holiday that people care about the most, because if

702
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: you're traveling, you don't have Christmas Eve, and then you

703
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: don't have Christmas, and even the players at are home

704
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: you don't have Christmas. Besides, if you have a night game,

705
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: maybe a couple hours in the morning.

706
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: I just.

707
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: Like, I just at what point is it like it's

708
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: not even if like it's not worth it right for

709
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: like the people they are actually playing the game.

710
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: We need to go back to the point where it's

711
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: all about money.

712
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: I know that this is me just saying that.

713
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: Like, ugh, as my wife reminds me, you're talking football.

714
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: Deal with it, okay, deal with everything.

715
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 3: Yes, And I understand that of right, of if we're working, right, it's.

716
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 5: A job we love.

717
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not sounding ungrateful in any aspect.

718
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: We're going to get you guys are so and I understand.

719
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm I think you can blame COVID to some degree

720
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: because in twenty twenty, there was an NFL game played

721
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: at every single day of the week. By the time

722
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: he got to the end of the season, they shoehorned

723
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: in a game every single day of the week just

724
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: to get every single game played.

725
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: And I see this more in the grand scheme of things,

726
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: trending towards making decisions that don't seem to have the

727
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: player's best interest as top It would be like money

728
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: one A players one B. Is where I kind of

729
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: see this trending towards of adding more games or changing

730
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: the days of the week or things. And we kind

731
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: of talk about it last year when it was the

732
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: league being able to change right like Monday night games

733
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: are right like last minute of the fans who have

734
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: booked hotels and flights and all of that. Aspect of

735
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: all these collateral damages, yes, well yes, I mean the

736
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 3: reality is is Wednesday is the only there's.

737
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: The last real bastion of why would they play that day?

738
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 4: You every other day, Like if you play on a Tuesday,

739
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 4: which they don't play on Tuesday, but if you were

740
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: forced to Christmas was on a Tuesday, and then you're

741
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: playing the following Sunday, that's no different than playing on

742
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: a Monday and then having to play on a you know.

743
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: So I mean, look, so that's the reality. And there

744
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: is a possibility the Cardinals could be one of those

745
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Christmas Days. What makes you say that could be?

746
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say.

747
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: No, could be. They could also end up in Munich

748
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: theoretically still could also end up in London because those

749
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: opponents have not been announced.

750
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: Right because Minnesota plays in London and Carolina plays in Germany.

751
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: So I'm just throwing it out there because that's still

752
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: on the radar to some degree.

753
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: Not Brazil.

754
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: Not Brazil, no, because you don't play the Eagles this

755
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: year and they're the host team. And it's already been

756
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: reported that Browns or Packers Packers.

757
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 4: One of like the higher up guy on the Packers

758
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: said it was between the Packers and the Browns.

759
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: So, and by the way, there will be two exclusive

760
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: streaming games this year. The one from Brazil will be

761
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: on Peacock. That'll be on Friday of Week one, which

762
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: is a first in many decades the NFL playing on

763
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: a Friday night, So that's gonna happen. And then Amazon

764
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: Prime is going to stream a playoff game, so for

765
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: the second straight year there will be a playoff streamed

766
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: exclusively telecasts.

767
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: Are there more people yelling right now at this recording

768
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 4: about that or about the Marvin Harrison trade?

769
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Speaking of TV, in Season Hard Knocks, one'll be.

770
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: Sorry, It'll be cheers if it's Marvin Harrison playing in

771
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: a playoff game and they're streaming Amazon, So that's fair.

772
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: In Season Hard Knocks, we'll I'll focus on an entire division.

773
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Cardinals were there and did that two years ago.

774
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: This actually makes sense to me because as somebody who

775
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: doesn't and this is probably because I work for an

776
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: NFL team and so I don't always have the energy

777
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: or desire to go home and watch more football if

778
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: it's not my team. This makes a lot of sense

779
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 3: for that reason of if it's not your team, how

780
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: intrigued are you to watch a full season of Hard

781
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 3: Knocks now if it's a division and you're getting to

782
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: get an inside look at your opponents?

783
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 5: And then also maybe a little bit.

784
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: Of surprise of I'm going to watch this episode because

785
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: I want to see how much of the Cardinals is

786
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: in it. That makes a lot of sense to me

787
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: for them to do this.

788
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: See to me, the biggest there's two reasons that I

789
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 4: think are the biggest reasons, and they wouldn't be that necessarily. One,

790
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: I think teams are getting to the point where they

791
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: don't want to give you as much stuff. So if

792
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 4: you do four different teams instead of one, you're not

793
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: asking them to do Now you're I think you're also

794
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: getting more surface level stuff when you're doing it this way,

795
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 4: but I think that's what teams want. And then the

796
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: other point of that would be if you do a

797
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 4: whole division, you're not in a position like you were

798
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: with the Cardinals where they were totally out of it

799
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: by the time you started doing it. No matter what,

800
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna have somebody in a playoff chase, and.

801
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: When it's any year before of its one team, they

802
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: do have to give approval on things being shown right

803
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: because you can only show so much of the prep

804
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: work that goes in in terms of the x'es and o's.

805
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: It will be interesting if you're doing a division and

806
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: you're playing a divisional opponent that week, what's getting approved?

807
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 3: What exactly are you showing that point against a team

808
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: that you faced twice a year.

809
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to go back and watch all or Nothing

810
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 4: because that the first season, the one with the Cardinals, because.

811
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: That was all or nothing is good.

812
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're right, doing a whole division obviously guards

813
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: against one team, you know, the bottom falling out of

814
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: their season, losing the franchise quarterback to injury, which happened

815
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: to the Cardinals, and then all of a sudden it

816
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: became the JJ Watt reality TV show the last month

817
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: of Hard Knocks. Who was the Hard Knocks in season

818
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: team last year? The fact I can't even remember it

819
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: around Miami, I think, says everything. Yes, it was Miami,

820
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: you're right, yep, it was absolutely so there's that.

821
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: And then you didn't watch it.

822
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: New trade deadline is going to be the Tuesday right

823
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: now after the Week nine games. It was previously after

824
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: week eight.

825
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: Okay, through the season.

826
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: Something a lot of the teams wanted and the players

827
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: actually campaigned for as well. Not sure how many people

828
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: wanted to change to the kickoff rule, but it's coming

829
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: and it'll be spectacular in its change.

830
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 5: I can't wait.

831
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: Particular hear from Special teams coordinator Jeff Rogers on his thoughts.

832
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 4: On what did you I assume by your reaction that

833
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: you're not a fan?

834
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: Paul, Uh, Look, here's the deal, and I have the

835
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: stat right here. A year ago the kickoff return rate

836
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: was the lowest since nineteen seventy. Yeah, only twenty two

837
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: percent of them return last year. So to say I'm

838
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: not a fan. Do I enjoy this format? No, but

839
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: it is better than touchbacks. Did I like the way

840
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: it was previously constructed? Sure, it was more of the

841
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: gladiator field, guys running thirty five yards down the field,

842
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: high speed collisions, great theater, great television. It's true spectator sport,

843
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: but you rarely saw it, so you have to settle

844
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: for something a little more realistic. And the NFL expects

845
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: a sixty percent rate of kickoff returns based on what

846
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: the XFL experienced three four years ago.

847
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: Well, Darren, you were at meetings.

848
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: Why don't you explain the changes for the kickoffs and

849
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: then also on side kicks.

850
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the biggest thing is essentially what you're

851
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: going to have is on the majority of the kickoffs,

852
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 4: most of the guys are going to be lined up.

853
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: The kicking team is going to be on the plus forty,

854
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: so they're going to be lined up on the forty

855
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 4: yard line of the receiving team and the receiving teams.

856
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 4: Blockers are going to be on their own thirty five,

857
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: so they're gonna be five yards apart. The kicker is

858
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: still going to be kicking off from his own thirty

859
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: five yard line, and there's a landing zone between the

860
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: goal line and the twenty where you have to put

861
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: the ball without it being a touchback. The idea is

862
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 4: to have the return and you can't move. Those initial

863
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: two lines can't move until the ball either hits the

864
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 4: ground in the landing zone or it's caught or touched

865
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: by a player. The idea is you give the returner

866
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: a chance to get the ball and get some momentum

867
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: going before these guys start coming. You cut down on

868
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: the massive, high speed collisions that cause injuries by having

869
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 4: them so close together and coming from a start, but

870
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: you're also letting the coverage team already be much closer

871
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: to the return team. Now there's still touchbacks. It comes

872
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 4: out to the thirty if there's a touchback, so if

873
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: you just feel like I'm not going to risk a

874
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: return guy, then you can still boot it through the

875
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: end zone. It comes to the thirty. It takes out

876
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 4: the on side kick until the fourth quarter. The new

877
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 4: because the way you're lined up, you can't on side

878
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: kick it. So the way it is right now is

879
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: for an on side kick, a team can only do

880
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: two on side kicks a game. Better not get too

881
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: far down and you run it the same way that

882
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: you have the last few years, which is balanced lines.

883
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: But it's only in the fourth quarter. So and because

884
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: there's no more surprise, like you'll never have the opening

885
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: kickoff of the second half of the Super Bowl like

886
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: the Saints did back in the day, and recovering it

887
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: and surprising the Colts that that cannot happen. That literally

888
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: has not happened. But what really struck me with this

889
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: rule and I'm back and forth. I don't love it,

890
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 4: but you're never going back to what it used to be.

891
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: And I do miss the kickoffs. And one of the

892
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 4: things that Darren Rizzy, the special teams coordinator of the Saints,

893
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: made the point of in the press conference was the

894
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: play was dying. If you don't change it, it was

895
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: going to go away. Period. So if you're sitting there saying, well,

896
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: well it's not football, that's fine, but the alternative was

897
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: eventually going to be and very soon we're just going

898
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: to put the ball in the twenty five yard line

899
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: and start the drive. There will be no kickoff. So

900
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 4: if you want the kickoff, which special teams guys do,

901
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: there had to be some kind of drastic moves and

902
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: that's why they did what they did.

903
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: Hey, like a lot of things, a lot of industries

904
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: in life, adapt or die, and that's what they did.

905
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: In fact, I heard there was an interview on NFL

906
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: network the XFL executive who designed this whole thing. He

907
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: said that the last time they use it full season

908
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I believe, on over four hundred kickoffs, they

909
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: had zero head injuries. So you know, that stood out

910
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: to Roger Goodell and companies so because that it was

911
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: one of the most dangerous plays in football.

912
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 4: And they did say that the the NFL rule is

913
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 4: there are some Rizzy said, significant differences. They didn't get

914
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: into the tweaks of how it's different, but it is

915
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: different in the XFL to a certain point. And the

916
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: other thing to remember is this is a one year thing.

917
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: This is like the when they put in the rule

918
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: to challenge pass interference. They're going to go back and

919
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: look at it after one year and see how it

920
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: is now. I personally think it's not going anywhere. They

921
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: might tweak it going forward in some ways, but I

922
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 4: think it's gonna go because the original idea was that

923
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: the touchbacks would come out to the thirty five to

924
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: make it even more of a penalty, a penalty to

925
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: the kicking team to kick touchbacks, but they decided that

926
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: was a little too much.

927
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: Right now, I'd be intrigued when we get a chance

928
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: to hear from Jeff Rogers or from Jonathan Gannon RMANI

929
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: awesome for it now that this rule has been put

930
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: in place for this year of how, if at all,

931
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: does it affect the way you're going to construct your roster?

932
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: Right if you're now five yards away, are you going

933
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: to want a different build for you know, some of

934
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: your special teams or is that you know you haven't

935
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: really utilized.

936
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: The Steelers signed Cordell Patterson yesterday, the Falcons free agent

937
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 4: who's always been a great kickoff returner. They signed him yesterday.

938
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: A report came out that the agent was literally waiting

939
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: for the high sign that the kickoff return team or

940
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 4: kickoff rules were officially passed and new before the Steelers

941
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 4: were willing to execute the deal. That's how much it

942
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: changed that, Like, you wouldn't have gotten that deal with

943
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 4: the Steelers if they hadn't changed the rules. I do

944
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: think it's going to impact.

945
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: Which begs the question of was the signing of running

946
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: back to j Dallas?

947
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 5: Was that an anticipation of this?

948
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: Is that maybe way their thought was of if your

949
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: other returner was Greg dort Right, was that something that

950
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: at the time we didn't know and they were just

951
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: anticipating this to get passed And now you have your

952
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: own Cornall Patterson because you know.

953
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: What I think, if nothing else, you want a bigger, thicker,

954
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: heavier return man because it's going to be more people

955
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: in a tighter space.

956
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

957
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: In fact, I've heard some of the strategists say the

958
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: guess what special teams coordinators, They're going to have their

959
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: profile enhanced greatly because there's much more strategy in this

960
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: new format. You can have in poll, you can put

961
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: offensive linemen out there, you can sign it like a

962
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: run play. It's really interesting how what might be possible,

963
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: And especially at Jeff.

964
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 5: Rodgers, who's already got all kind of plays.

965
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: What did he say he had over one hundred on

966
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: side kicks or whatever He said that with the media

967
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: this year, like, what are you Anyonemike, He's serious, No,

968
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: he's really serious. He's got so I think it was

969
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: trick plays or fourth down plays, whatever it was. So, yes,

970
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: he's a deep thinker with a high IQ on special teams,

971
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: very curious to see what he's going to brew up

972
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: in the lab. And so that'll be that'll be very interesting.

973
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: But look, if it's going to enhance the number of

974
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: times that the ball is returned, which the NFL fully expects,

975
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: and Okay, you know, all of a sudden.

976
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: They were saying, they were saying, if if they had

977
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: put the touch back of the thirty five, they were

978
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 4: they were thinking it, you could have as many as

979
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: eighty percent to eighty five percent of kickoff return Now

980
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: he goes because we put it at the thirty, it

981
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: might be more sixty percent, like you were mentioning, because

982
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, if you get late in the season, you

983
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: have some injuries, teams might just say, you know, it's

984
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: worth it for us to give them the ball at

985
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: the thirty to prevent any kind of risk here, or

986
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: even if you have a really good returner. But I mean,

987
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: if you talk about a guy getting the ball with

988
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: a full head of steam catching it and the guys

989
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: that are trying to tackle them haven't moved yet. You've

990
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: got some options as a return returner.

991
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: The other rule change was eliminating the hip drop the

992
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: swivel hip drop tackle, which Roger Goodell said resulted in

993
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: twenty times the injury rate of a normal NFL play.

994
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: So if you believe the analytics, they advanced hip drop tackle,

995
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: swivel hip drop tackle happened on average one time per game,

996
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: So it's not a ratic no.

997
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: See, that's not no.

998
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: What they were like two hundred and something times it occurred.

999
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: And the injuries injuries and so well, the injuries were

1000
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 4: injuries that cause an injury that a guy missed time

1001
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: is what the one time? It wasn't that it was

1002
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: happening once or that there were only injuries. It was

1003
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 4: injuries that caused guys to miss time. And the problem

1004
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 4: was is they were serious injuries oftentimes. Yes, that's the big.

1005
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: Because you're pulling down the runner or receiver and basically

1006
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: falling on their legs.

1007
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: Yes. And and Kenyon Drake put out a tweet he

1008
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: broke his ankle or left up his ankle in twenty one,

1009
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 4: he said, because of one of those things Mark Andrews

1010
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: towards ACL last year because of one of those Look.

1011
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: I don't I feel bad for defenders. I really do.

1012
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 5: It's hard to be a defender.

1013
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 4: It is getting harder. But I also think there's some

1014
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: ways around it. I you know this this they went

1015
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: into how rugby players tackle because this was something they

1016
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: wanted to get out of the out of rugby. And

1017
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 4: it can be done. I mean, you gotta, you gotta

1018
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: be willing to change. It's just I don't agree with

1019
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: everything the league has done. But like Roger Goodell made

1020
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 4: the point, like you know, five years ago when they

1021
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 4: put in you couldn't deadweight on the quarterback when you

1022
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: tackled him, and everybody was upset and how do you

1023
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: even do that? And all this stuff, But he said,

1024
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: the number of times that has happened has gone way

1025
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 4: down because players have figured it out. And the last

1026
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: point I want to make on the hip drop, because

1027
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: I saw a lot of very upset fans. Oh something

1028
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 4: else they can yell at the thing about.

1029
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: JJ Watt was upset.

1030
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 4: He was, but this idea. Look in two thousand and

1031
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: seven or whenever it was two thousand and eight when

1032
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 4: they started going to defenseless receivers and you can't hit

1033
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: in the head. And I remember Steve Preston, Steve Preston,

1034
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 4: fitz would talk about it too. But Steve Preston's like

1035
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: he hated the rule. He's like, I don't he goes,

1036
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 4: don't tell defenders that can't go. That's part of my gig.

1037
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 4: But you know what, everybody figured it out. And same

1038
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: thing happened with the roughing the passer, and the same

1039
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: thing will happen here. And the other thing is is

1040
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: I got well where just they're gonna lose so many

1041
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 4: people watching that, No, they're not. Nobody stop watching football

1042
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: when they put in the defenseless receiver rule. Nobody stop

1043
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 4: watching football when they put on the body weight rule

1044
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: and tackling the quarterback, and nobody. They're not going to

1045
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 4: lose any fans because they're putting in the hip drop rule.

1046
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: It's just not gonna happen.

1047
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: Again, which brings me full circle. It happens approximately one

1048
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: time per game based on the so it's not changing

1049
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: the game radically. You're not eliminating full speed tackling, full

1050
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: contact blocking. Come on, it's still and the football.

1051
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: And the other thing is the likelihood is the vast

1052
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: majority of these things are going to be legislated through

1053
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: fines after the fact when they watch video and not

1054
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: penalty flags in real time. I know the players hate that,

1055
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: but it's not going to impact the games in terms

1056
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 4: of outcomes. Probably.

1057
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: Now, I'll say this, you might get a flurry of

1058
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: flags in the preseason as they may get up point

1059
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: of emphasis. So if in doubt, throw the flag, especially

1060
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: in the preseason, to send a message. But we've seen

1061
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: that with a lot of other rules changes. Right, it

1062
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: gets flag incredibly in August and then it sort of

1063
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: fades away when the games count. So, uh, you know,

1064
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: get ready for that. And so what else? Dare anything

1065
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: else from the NFL league meetings? You know that? Uh

1066
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: that stood out that you know, only you would know

1067
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: because you were there and we uh were here. I

1068
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: mean what else?

1069
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: I had a I had a lovely uh make your

1070
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: own poke bowl at the at the Monday night. Wow,

1071
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: that was quite delicious.

1072
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, So there was a party Monday night.

1073
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: I did not know that. So there was the breakfast,

1074
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: but then there was also an evening event.

1075
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 4: Well you want to so the breakfast is literally like

1076
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 4: a buffet line on when the coaches come in and

1077
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 4: you can get food right before, right after. Coaches in

1078
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: theory could do it too, but they usually don't have

1079
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 4: much interest in hanging around with the with the reporters.

1080
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: That used to be the breakfast used to be literally

1081
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: like you got it was an hour. You got an

1082
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: hour with coaches and like literally the the coaches would

1083
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: get food, the reporters would get food. You'd sit at

1084
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: this table and you just kind of talk for this hour.

1085
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 4: Or it's become much more of a it's not only

1086
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 4: a half hour the coach, a much more formal situation.

1087
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: The Monday night party, it's it's basically for the media.

1088
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 4: Happened the media happened to get invited to this thing.

1089
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: But it's basically for all the the owners and their

1090
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: families and everything. We just get to go and you

1091
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 4: hang out there. But it's not bad. It's not a

1092
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: bad thing. I was only there for a couple of nimes.

1093
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: Maybe we should some Paw instead of Darren next year,

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Speaker 3: but Paul experienced the parties.

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Speaker 2: Sure, why not? You know, I mean I was there

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00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: for the Gwen Stefani Blake Shelton. You know, that was

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00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when the Super Bowl was

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00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: in town. You know, so that was big time. That

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Speaker 2: was you know, I think the wife definitely enjoyed that

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00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: a lot more than yours. Truly, she was.

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Speaker 4: She was just because you're so high up in this organization.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's you're right, It's just routine for

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Speaker 2: me at this point. And then, of course the whole

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00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: thing started with the coach's photo, which Jonathan Gannon got

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00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: a lot a good a lot of good positive press

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00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: from Kyle Brandt, who performance theater basically and breaking that

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00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: Dead Morning Football.

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00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, every year Kyle brand and Good Morning Football quote

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00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 4: unquote breaks down the coaches photo and basically goes through

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00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 4: every single coach and find something to talk about. And

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00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 4: he talked about JG's biceps, which in the picture were impressive.

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I mean, first team All Fitness

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00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 2: center in the hotel. You know, that's boom. He needs

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00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: to throw that in his little bio on Easy Cardinals

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Speaker 2: dot Com.

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Speaker 3: He has to point out the fact that he wasn't

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00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: wearing socks, but I think Kyle Brant was saying that.

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Speaker 5: Like he liked the style.

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00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a couple of coaches that he talked about.

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Speaker 5: Now had me wrong.

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00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: But as I was walking through to fill my water

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00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 3: at the other facility this morning and Good Morning Football

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00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 3: was on the TV that I think that brand had

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Speaker 3: said he made Gannon his winner of the coaches.

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Speaker 4: Oh miss, that's good, So I missed that.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's definitely winning the off season with his fitness routine.

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00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: There's there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Coach, It's not a routine, it's a lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Say no, you're right.

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Speaker 4: Yet, by the way, he was that way before he

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Speaker 4: ever got here.

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott might want to address his best practices because

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00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: it was pointed out he's won the same dark blue

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00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: blazer six years. You see the montage and Sean McDermott

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00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: in the first two years in the series of pictures,

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00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: it was the same shirt with the same blazer.

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Speaker 4: Are we sure Andy Reid isn't wearing the same Hawaii shirt?

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00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: Well? Okay, And he dispelled that notion, that conspiracy theory,

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00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: and he threw up a montage and it's the same

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00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: sort of Hawaiian shirt, but it has been different colors

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00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: and a different shirt and a different pattern every single year.

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00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: But yes, the same motif if you will so for

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: but that is always great theater and that's that's a

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00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: singular thing that Kyle Brandt does, one of many singular things,

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00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 2: as we talked about with Craig Grigelho to start this week.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what FL network has in mind with

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00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: Good Morning Football, but why mess was something that is

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: so sick.

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Speaker 5: They're moving to LA right? Their studios total expensive?

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00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: Too expensive in New York? Is that what it is

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00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: in New York? Studio?

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00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 5: Are they all moving to LA?

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00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 4: They're all moving to the the studios.

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00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: You have an existing studying studio and.

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00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: L what they got in New York. They can all

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00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 4: go to LA and they've already got a studio.

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00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: The lease is up and you can cut costs. I

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00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: get it. Okay, all right.

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00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: Didn't we talk about business earlier in this podcast.

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00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 2: Here's the problem though. When they first launched, Good Morning

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00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: Football was on the West Coast, which means the people

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00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: working Good Morning Football get up, but like midnight, it's

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00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: like working.

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00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 5: In a newsroom. It's the early shift.

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00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: So I mean there's morning radio and then there's morning TV.

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00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: And because of TV, you have to get an even earlier.

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Speaker 4: So as someone who's you got to look good, Paul,

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Speaker 4: I mean, God, Sazannah Hoffs knows all about that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Danny, I mean for the female

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Speaker 2: anchors doing morning TV. You were up of like eleven

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Speaker 2: o'clock at night here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, when I was in college and I had a

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Speaker 3: broadcast class, and I took it over the summer for

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 3: this reason of having to work the morning show. So

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Speaker 3: I had to be at the station by probably two

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Speaker 3: am to like fill everything out right, make sure my

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Speaker 3: scripts were going to go to then get my gear

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00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 3: and head out to wherever I was doing my live

1179
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: report from.

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00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 5: I literally would wake up at midnight.

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00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: I would have my roommates coming home from the bar,

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00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 3: and I would be waking up off like four hours

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00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: of sleep to get ready.

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00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 4: Was this for the Miszoo station or was this for

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00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: like a local station Atmazoo.

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00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 3: You work for an NBC affiliate, so it's a legitimate

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00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: NBC station and you will be bringing.

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Speaker 4: In the b roll for the next week's podcast.

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 5: No, I will not come on that doesn't exist anywhere.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I have footage.

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00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: So googling when we're done here.

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00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 5: No, please don't all right, So.

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Speaker 2: What else? The only other thing I'll throw out there is,

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Speaker 2: once again, if I can reiterate one thing just given

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00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: these red Sea the whole Marvin Harrison Junior thing, you

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00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: realize I'll just leave this that some fans and you

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00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: know who you are, fans have been calling the front

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Speaker 2: desk at Cardinals headquarters O Way and demanding the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: draft Marvin Harrison Junior. What some fans have been calling

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Speaker 2: requesting to talk to MANI usin for directly.

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Speaker 5: Wow, the dedication.

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00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: One fan, I'm told, called and wanted to talk to

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00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: Kyler people once again. Line you just can't call an

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: NFL facility and asked to have the franchise quarterback put

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: on the line. Okay, that's not the way it works.

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00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 5: Wow. So look, you appreciate the passion, the dedication.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I will say, you're you're not going to get

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00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: through the people you need to get through if your

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: call in the front.

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00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: And poor Marie up front, the nicest person.

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Speaker 5: On the face of their person, and she's.

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Speaker 2: Got to deal with fans repeatedly sharing their opinions. I'll

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Speaker 2: be kind as to where the Cardinals should go with

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Speaker 2: number four in the draft.

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Speaker 4: We all got them.

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Speaker 3: I will say I used to get some of those

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Speaker 3: phone calls when I worked at the UH like the

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Speaker 3: training facility. In college, I worked at like the football office,

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: and I would sit at the front desk, and some

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00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: of the phone calls I would get would be similar sentiments.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you know what, like Bulb Calvic Consulting says, we

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00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: ought to throw a few of up there to field

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: some of those calls and then turn into a little

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Speaker 2: social media type video.

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Speaker 3: Wat, you are social media savvy, pot, so why don't

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00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: you kick us off?

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Speaker 2: What about starting a phone bank like a telethon. We'll

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00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: start a phone bank and we'll field fans calls, will

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: record them and put together a little montage.

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Speaker 5: How many employees do you think would.

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Speaker 3: Even know how to use a landline phone for a telethon?

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Speaker 4: Paul?

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: That's true. Is anybody associated with this production have a landline? Still? Anyone?

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 5: Not anymore?

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 4: We try to get rid of ours, and Cock said, okay,

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00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 4: and then it still rings every once in a while.

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00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: You're really paying for it, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 5: I still remember the phone overr from my parents' landline,

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00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 5: but they haven't that in ten years.

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00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So once again. Please refrain from calling

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: the phone bank and the main number with any sort

1243
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: of draft advice. Save it for Darren's mailbag.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, or just tweet a Paul yes and.

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Speaker 2: That'll do it. For this edition of Cardinals Underground brought

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