1
00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,280
Speaker 1: So have you ever felt like you didn't belong, Maybe

2
00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,320
Speaker 1: you've struggled to feel seen or even wanted. Well, today's

3
00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,320
Speaker 1: guest are here to share their powerful journey of healing

4
00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,519
Speaker 1: from rejection to discovering true identities. You want to be

5
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,159
Speaker 1: sure to say tuned for that. But before we get

6
00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,960
Speaker 1: to that, joining me around the table is Cindy Johnston.

7
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:42,960
Speaker 1: How are you hey?

8
00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,360
Speaker 2: Doing well? You look beautiful? Thank you, thank you?

9
00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,159
Speaker 1: And you know I was thinking about you because I mean,

10
00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,199
Speaker 1: we're not going to tell your story today, but like

11
00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,000
Speaker 1: your mother, you know, leaving when you were what thirteen? Yes,

12
00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,520
Speaker 1: that was almost like an identity crisis for you, wasn't it?

13
00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:01,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

14
00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,160
Speaker 4: And it was something that carried on into my adulthood.

15
00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,520
Speaker 4: And at times I still battle with rejection and feeling

16
00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,760
Speaker 4: not that I'm not enough, but I'm thankful for stories

17
00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,600
Speaker 4: like today that help you see with God you are.

18
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,479
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Kendrew Kelly Dean, how are you doing? I'm good?

19
00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,959
Speaker 5: And I think everybody wants to be wanted right, everybody

20
00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,120
Speaker 5: wants to feel needed and wanted and loved.

21
00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,640
Speaker 1: And I know where you belong, like fit in? Like

22
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,720
Speaker 1: where did you come from? And why are you here?

23
00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,600
Speaker 1: Exactly and what did all of that?

24
00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,040
Speaker 5: And so I think this is going to be a

25
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,560
Speaker 5: great show, and I think it's going to really minister

26
00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,400
Speaker 5: to people today that are having that longing in that part.

27
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,000
Speaker 1: Everybody, you want to stay tuned for this, you'd stay

28
00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600
Speaker 1: right there, don't go anywhere. Rachel Lambrant, how are you.

29
00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm good.

30
00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,080
Speaker 6: I'm very excited about our guests today. He's a pastor

31
00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,240
Speaker 6: at our church and you would never know history or

32
00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,680
Speaker 6: what he's gone through because he doesn't have any residue

33
00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:55,080
Speaker 6: of anything.

34
00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:55,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't.

35
00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,200
Speaker 3: I think that's the.

36
00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,279
Speaker 6: Power of the transformation of Christ.

37
00:01:59,440 --> 00:01:59,720
Speaker 7: It is.

38
00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,160
Speaker 6: I'm excited for him to share.

39
00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:01,800
Speaker 1: It really is.

40
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,280
Speaker 8: Cindy Murdoch, I was my daddy's princess, you know, so

41
00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,040
Speaker 8: I didn't understand what we're going to talk about today,

42
00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,880
Speaker 8: but it's so needed to be shared because then it

43
00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,240
Speaker 8: helps those of us that don't understand that how to

44
00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,200
Speaker 8: relate or just have some compassion and reach out to people.

45
00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,640
Speaker 1: That have gone through that in their life. That's so true.

46
00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 1: Mark and Sandy Job, welcome to the table. Thanks so

47
00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,160
Speaker 1: good to have both of you here and their dear friends.

48
00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,240
Speaker 1: We love them so much, you know, we all want

49
00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,280
Speaker 1: to be loved and accepted, but sometimes life leaves us

50
00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,880
Speaker 1: feeling abandoned. Mark and Sandy Job know that feeling very well,

51
00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,880
Speaker 1: and they're here to share how God wants to free

52
00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 1: us from an orphan spirit. Mark, before you get into

53
00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,280
Speaker 1: your story, what is an orphan spirit for those that

54
00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:43,840
Speaker 1: are watching.

55
00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,919
Speaker 7: An orphan spirit, I mean boiled down is really the

56
00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,639
Speaker 7: spirit of the enemy to try to keep you from

57
00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,360
Speaker 7: a relationship with God and so, but you find it

58
00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,919
Speaker 7: rampant even in churches where people have given their hearts

59
00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,239
Speaker 7: to Jesus, but because of the wounds of their childhood,

60
00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,200
Speaker 7: some would call them father wounds, mother wounds. Because of

61
00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,320
Speaker 7: the wounds of their childhood, they just don't feel should

62
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,239
Speaker 7: I say valued or comfortable in the presence of God. Yeah,

63
00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,120
Speaker 7: And you find people they will struggle even in worship

64
00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,800
Speaker 7: because worship invites us into the presence of God. So

65
00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,400
Speaker 7: you'll see some of these people holding back. They're precious people,

66
00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,840
Speaker 7: but they just don't get worshiped because they struggle with that.

67
00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,880
Speaker 1: Before you tell your story, what are some of the

68
00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,120
Speaker 1: symptoms like for people watching? What are some of the

69
00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,760
Speaker 1: symptoms of someone that's carrying an orphaned spirit? Because I

70
00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,320
Speaker 1: want to tell you that you can be set free

71
00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,400
Speaker 1: from that today, and we want you to be set

72
00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,360
Speaker 1: free from it. And it's a lie from the enemy.

73
00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,760
Speaker 1: But what are some of the symptoms where somebody watching like,

74
00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,800
Speaker 1: oh wow, I do that well.

75
00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,280
Speaker 7: I had one of those aha moments with the Lord

76
00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,000
Speaker 7: on this subject, and I wrote some things down. I

77
00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,480
Speaker 7: want to read them too, because I don't want to

78
00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,320
Speaker 7: miss them, because I feel like it hits almost every

79
00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,040
Speaker 7: angle that the orphaned spirit tries to get us to.

80
00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:58,760
Speaker 3: Believe this lie.

81
00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,800
Speaker 7: Okay, one of them would be this, if you feel like,

82
00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,960
Speaker 7: no matter how successful you become, it's never enough. How

83
00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,560
Speaker 7: many people do we know battle with that number?

84
00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:08,800
Speaker 4: Two?

85
00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,120
Speaker 7: If your self worth is connected to how well you perform,

86
00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,880
Speaker 7: that may be an orphan spirit. That's where I grew up.

87
00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,520
Speaker 7: Performance mentality you just don't feel. For instance, when Jesus

88
00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,479
Speaker 7: was baptized, the Father spoke to him said, you're my

89
00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,320
Speaker 7: beloved son and whom I'm well pleased. He dealt with sonship,

90
00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 7: he dealt with love. You're my beloved son, he established

91
00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:30,560
Speaker 7: his identity.

92
00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,479
Speaker 3: Then well pleased.

93
00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,520
Speaker 7: Jesus hadn't even started his ministry yet, but he said,

94
00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,960
Speaker 7: you're well pleasing. So all those things are what we

95
00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,200
Speaker 7: need to be freed from an orphan spirit. So that

96
00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,640
Speaker 7: makes sense. Yes, let me read a couple more. No

97
00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,880
Speaker 7: matter how much affirmation someone gives you, you still don't

98
00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:46,680
Speaker 7: feel valued.

99
00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,120
Speaker 3: That would be an orphan spirit.

100
00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,560
Speaker 7: In the hierarchy of your world, you justify stepping on

101
00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,760
Speaker 7: others to get to the top. We've seen that in

102
00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,680
Speaker 7: the business world. We've seen that in church. Here's one

103
00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,920
Speaker 7: more titles matter to you because you feel less than

104
00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520
Speaker 7: you know, call me pastor call me bishop, called me whatever,

105
00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,360
Speaker 7: because I don't feel important.

106
00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,200
Speaker 3: That would be the fruit of an orphan spirit.

107
00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,360
Speaker 7: No matter how many times your family or your spouse

108
00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,799
Speaker 7: tells you they love you, you still feel unloved.

109
00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,080
Speaker 3: Orphan spirit. This is a big one here.

110
00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,679
Speaker 7: Every famous person you meet is another notch in your belt,

111
00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,120
Speaker 7: and you name drop to feel more significant. I'm around

112
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,960
Speaker 7: that a lot with men. Let me tell you who

113
00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:26,880
Speaker 7: I met, or let me tell.

114
00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,080
Speaker 3: You you know. And then the last one I wrote

115
00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,000
Speaker 3: down was when you read the promises. This is may

116
00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,719
Speaker 3: be the saddest.

117
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,200
Speaker 7: When you read the promises of God in the word

118
00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,960
Speaker 7: in a voice says to you that doesn't apply to

119
00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,920
Speaker 7: you now, you're blocked from any hope, You're blocked from

120
00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,040
Speaker 7: any future breakthrough because.

121
00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,440
Speaker 3: So well that doesn't apply to me. That doesn't apply

122
00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:43,680
Speaker 3: to me.

123
00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,840
Speaker 7: And you can be so excited about a promise from

124
00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,359
Speaker 7: the Word and you share it with someone with an

125
00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,880
Speaker 7: orphan spirit, they don't get it.

126
00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jeremi twenty nine to eleven. You know, I

127
00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,840
Speaker 1: know the plans I have for you to give you

128
00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,040
Speaker 1: a future and hope. I mean that if someone has

129
00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,000
Speaker 1: an orphan spirit, they almost can't receive that. And yet

130
00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:59,719
Speaker 1: that's for.

131
00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,159
Speaker 7: This robs you of your hope because it takes away

132
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,560
Speaker 7: future vision. And the Word is full of promises, and

133
00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,200
Speaker 7: those of us who've begun to be freed from the

134
00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,480
Speaker 7: orphan spirit, we can latch onto promises.

135
00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm holding onto a promise right now.

136
00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,320
Speaker 7: We've been walking through a difficult time in our home church,

137
00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,360
Speaker 7: and yet I'm holding on to promises I know God

138
00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,400
Speaker 7: said to me because he didn't life so good.

139
00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,160
Speaker 1: So let's go back, and I want you just to

140
00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,240
Speaker 1: go through your story because it's so powerful, and there's

141
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,800
Speaker 1: some of you are going to relate to what Mark's shares.

142
00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,560
Speaker 1: So just get ready in fasta your seat belt, give

143
00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,719
Speaker 1: a cup of hot tea and coffee or whatever, and

144
00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,240
Speaker 1: just listen, because I really believe the Holy Spirit wants

145
00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,480
Speaker 1: to speak to you today and there's some things that

146
00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,320
Speaker 1: are going on in your life that are definitely connected

147
00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,320
Speaker 1: to this. So I want you to listen. So start

148
00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,640
Speaker 1: at the beginning, Okay.

149
00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,520
Speaker 7: As I do, let me just say I believe that

150
00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,240
Speaker 7: the Lord allowed so many things to happen because he

151
00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,039
Speaker 7: wanted to interject himself and help me understand the layers

152
00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 7: of an orphan spirit. So with me and with most people,

153
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,599
Speaker 7: it started with my birth. I was born to a

154
00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,360
Speaker 7: fifteen year old mother. She turned fifteen one month before

155
00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,080
Speaker 7: I was born, so she was fourteen.

156
00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:08,960
Speaker 3: She carried me.

157
00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:15,280
Speaker 7: She ended up leaving school, and so my biological father

158
00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,680
Speaker 7: he married her. But he took her home the same

159
00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,520
Speaker 7: night and said to her two wrong silt maker. Right,

160
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,800
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I got your pregnant. I'll help you financially

161
00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,120
Speaker 7: with the baby, but it's wrong for us to be married.

162
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,440
Speaker 3: In the state of Texas.

163
00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,680
Speaker 7: You can't just a null a marriage if there's a

164
00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,520
Speaker 7: baby involved. And so they had to go through a

165
00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,720
Speaker 7: divorcement and there had to be child support, all those things.

166
00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,080
Speaker 7: But then he left and joined the army. So my

167
00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,600
Speaker 7: mother and my grandparents raised me. My grandmother had such

168
00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,440
Speaker 7: an impact on my life. She, my grandmother my grandfather

169
00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,880
Speaker 7: were the first real Christians I ever met. And my

170
00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,520
Speaker 7: grandmother had polio, and so she raised me from a wheelchair.

171
00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,160
Speaker 7: And I'll just say she was fast with that yard stick.

172
00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,400
Speaker 9: I'll tell you.

173
00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,560
Speaker 7: But they raised me those years. Then my mother remarried

174
00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,560
Speaker 7: when I.

175
00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,680
Speaker 3: Was about three years old, and then.

176
00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,480
Speaker 7: At age five, this just vividly stands out in my mind.

177
00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,520
Speaker 7: I remember the room I was in when they set

178
00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,600
Speaker 7: me down to tell me that I was being adopted.

179
00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,320
Speaker 7: And I didn't know that this man was not my

180
00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,920
Speaker 7: real father, so when they tried to explain it to me,

181
00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,320
Speaker 7: it wasn't a happy moment for me. What I heard

182
00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,520
Speaker 7: in my little heart was where's your father? Why were

183
00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 7: you rejected?

184
00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:28,560
Speaker 3: They were? Where did he go?

185
00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,440
Speaker 7: They were celebrated, But I didn't catch that, and I'll

186
00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,960
Speaker 7: say from that day forward, I felt like something was

187
00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:35,600
Speaker 7: wrong with me.

188
00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:36,520
Speaker 3: I didn't fit in.

189
00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,600
Speaker 7: I can remember going to my grandparents' house on my

190
00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,040
Speaker 7: stepfather's side.

191
00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,080
Speaker 3: And I just didn't fit.

192
00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,600
Speaker 7: I look back on it now and say, well, I

193
00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,560
Speaker 7: wasn't a job I was a tailor. But now that

194
00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,680
Speaker 7: I'm adopted, my last name is job. I tried to

195
00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,599
Speaker 7: fit in, but there were just so many things on

196
00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,880
Speaker 7: those early years. So when people say, well, you're addicted

197
00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,200
Speaker 7: to drugs, No, I was never addicted to drugs. I

198
00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,679
Speaker 7: was never addicted alcohol. I was addicted to peer pressure

199
00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,080
Speaker 7: because it fit that performance mentality where I've got to

200
00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,720
Speaker 7: live up to something so someone will notice me and

201
00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:09,600
Speaker 7: say good job.

202
00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,280
Speaker 1: And you Seldic sports played football and it did really well.

203
00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,160
Speaker 7: I did, and I was small. I mean, I laugh

204
00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,840
Speaker 7: about it now. I was one hundred and thirty eight pounds.

205
00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,560
Speaker 3: Running back in a high school team.

206
00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:23,240
Speaker 9: You know that.

207
00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,920
Speaker 3: You had to be like, you get hit, it's over,

208
00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, so.

209
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 9: You learn to run fast.

210
00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,679
Speaker 3: But here's the interesting part of the story.

211
00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,120
Speaker 7: I found out later that in high school football, my

212
00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,600
Speaker 7: biological father's name Sonny.

213
00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,880
Speaker 3: Sonny moved his new family.

214
00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,680
Speaker 7: To our little country town so he could watch me

215
00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,200
Speaker 7: grow up from a distance. And I didn't know it,

216
00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,960
Speaker 7: but he was on the sidelines watching me play every game.

217
00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,040
Speaker 1: It never came up and talked to you. You didn't know

218
00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:50,600
Speaker 1: he was there.

219
00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,040
Speaker 3: No, he told me later he didn't want to interrupt

220
00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:53,520
Speaker 3: my life.

221
00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,640
Speaker 7: I was wondering, and so he just stood in the

222
00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,240
Speaker 7: on the sideline. So watching me play all the way

223
00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,080
Speaker 7: through the high school years to the state championship. We

224
00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,040
Speaker 7: won the state championship, and he was on the sidelines

225
00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:04,440
Speaker 7: watching me.

226
00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,640
Speaker 1: Wow. So when did this girl come in your life?

227
00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,800
Speaker 3: Right here, right in the best part. I had just

228
00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,480
Speaker 3: gotten saved. So I'd been saved about a year. I

229
00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,719
Speaker 3: gave my heart to the Lord at sixteen.

230
00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,360
Speaker 7: Called to preach, called the ministry at age seventeen. But

231
00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,559
Speaker 7: I met her the summer between my sophomore and junior

232
00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,360
Speaker 7: year at a summer camp.

233
00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,800
Speaker 3: I'm all four, sat What did you think?

234
00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,360
Speaker 1: What do you think when you saw her?

235
00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:26,640
Speaker 8: Oh?

236
00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,760
Speaker 7: My goodness, she was different. You know, I grew up

237
00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,400
Speaker 7: around a bunch of cowgirls. I didn't know what a

238
00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,800
Speaker 7: city girl was like. You were a Dallas girl, right.

239
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,840
Speaker 7: So I lived in Waco and she lived in Dallas.

240
00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,079
Speaker 7: But we met one afternoon around the piano. She sang

241
00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,080
Speaker 7: in a group and I sang in a group, and

242
00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,160
Speaker 7: we wound up around a piano one afternoon and just

243
00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,160
Speaker 7: started singing together.

244
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,800
Speaker 1: Then y'all had singing children together, and I was singing children. Okay,

245
00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,680
Speaker 1: So y'all ended up getting married and then fast forward

246
00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,199
Speaker 1: to that's another whole story. We can come back, can

247
00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,520
Speaker 1: carr y'all test about it of how you're still here?

248
00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,880
Speaker 3: Right, that's right, but.

249
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,640
Speaker 1: Marriage isn't always easy, right, I mean so, but look

250
00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,200
Speaker 1: what God has done. So you're playing put putt? What happens?

251
00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,760
Speaker 3: You want to tell that part?

252
00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,800
Speaker 10: Well, we were playing put putt with friends and one

253
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,640
Speaker 10: of his friends asked me if I thought Mark would

254
00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,720
Speaker 10: ever have the desire to meet his biological father. And

255
00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,240
Speaker 10: I said, I don't know. Why don't you ask him?

256
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,280
Speaker 10: And so Mark said, ask me what? And so he asked,

257
00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,400
Speaker 10: you ask him if he wanted to if he ever

258
00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,520
Speaker 10: had the thought to meet his dad or see his dad.

259
00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,120
Speaker 10: And Mark said, well yeah, and so he pointed across

260
00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,800
Speaker 10: the put putt field and and there was his family

261
00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,520
Speaker 10: and so the reason that his dad was.

262
00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,720
Speaker 1: Actually there with his family, and the guy points him

263
00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,440
Speaker 1: out to you, Mark, what did you think when you

264
00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:55,840
Speaker 1: saw him?

265
00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,040
Speaker 11: Well?

266
00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,000
Speaker 7: I wanted First of all, when I saw him, I'm like,

267
00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,240
Speaker 7: oh my goodness, something it up inside of me. Yeah,

268
00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,160
Speaker 7: and I'm like I want to I want to meet him,

269
00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,800
Speaker 7: you know, But I didn't want to meet him. Then

270
00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,000
Speaker 7: I knew would be uncomfortable. He had his two daughters

271
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,240
Speaker 7: with him. But I turned to my friend and said,

272
00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,600
Speaker 7: did you know he knew more about my story than

273
00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,840
Speaker 7: I did, at least that part.

274
00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,280
Speaker 3: Well, uh, his mother.

275
00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,240
Speaker 7: So the young man that introduced me or showed me

276
00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,640
Speaker 7: my dad, his name was Tommy. His mother was a

277
00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,560
Speaker 7: school teacher along with my stepmom, and they talked about me,

278
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,680
Speaker 7: and so Tommy knew my story.

279
00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

280
00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,440
Speaker 7: And so when I looked over and I saw my

281
00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,800
Speaker 7: dad for the first time and wanted to meet him,

282
00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,920
Speaker 7: I just knew I've got to make this happen. So

283
00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280
Speaker 7: a few weeks later I made an appointment to go

284
00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,199
Speaker 7: see him. He was a vice president of a bank,

285
00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,880
Speaker 7: an appointment, made an appointment.

286
00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:42,000
Speaker 3: To go see him.

287
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,240
Speaker 6: What did you say, like, what was the reason for

288
00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:44,880
Speaker 6: the appointment?

289
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:45,719
Speaker 3: I didn't tell him.

290
00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,800
Speaker 7: You know, they just figured it was financial, you know,

291
00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,920
Speaker 7: it was.

292
00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,920
Speaker 1: Did you give your name Mark?

293
00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,280
Speaker 7: Joe?

294
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't. I didn't.

295
00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,960
Speaker 7: I told the assistant that my name was Mark, and

296
00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,240
Speaker 7: so they with an appointment. So I'm sitting there in

297
00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,560
Speaker 7: his office and they are the doorways here, I'm facing

298
00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,720
Speaker 7: his desk. So he comes in and he walks past

299
00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,120
Speaker 7: me and he just kind of notices me. He says, hello,

300
00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,640
Speaker 7: young man, and he walks around and he sets down.

301
00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,920
Speaker 3: He says, how may I help you?

302
00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,520
Speaker 7: And he recognized me, and I said, I came from

303
00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,920
Speaker 7: my inheritance. You know, I didn't really say that, but

304
00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,800
Speaker 7: I wanted to say. No, I said, I came to

305
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,600
Speaker 7: I just meet you. I've always wanted to meet you.

306
00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,480
Speaker 7: And I actually said to him, my day, I don't

307
00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,720
Speaker 7: want anything. I just wanted to meet you. And he said,

308
00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,960
Speaker 7: I've been waiting for this moment for a long time.

309
00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,839
Speaker 7: And so we talked for about an hour and he

310
00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,240
Speaker 7: told me about the army and all the stories I'd

311
00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,280
Speaker 7: heard about my upbringing and all that he knew from

312
00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:44,800
Speaker 7: his side.

313
00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 3: He filled in the details.

314
00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,880
Speaker 1: And did he tell you that he had been coming

315
00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:48,640
Speaker 1: to your games?

316
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 3: No, I didn't learn about that yet.

317
00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,920
Speaker 7: I didn't know about that, and I didn't find out

318
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,160
Speaker 7: about that till after he passed away. Really yeah, and

319
00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,880
Speaker 7: they started telling me all the stories.

320
00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,680
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.

321
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,880
Speaker 7: Found out I played on the same golf course he

322
00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,200
Speaker 7: played on, but never knew that he was my dad.

323
00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,920
Speaker 1: Wow, so interesting. I know you told me that during

324
00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,760
Speaker 1: one of the games or their playoffs or whatever, that

325
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,440
Speaker 1: he was actually on the sideline with your stepdad talking

326
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,360
Speaker 1: to him about you. So they knew each other.

327
00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,520
Speaker 7: They knew each other, they knew each other from high school.

328
00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,760
Speaker 7: But they would stand on the sidelines and talk, and

329
00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,800
Speaker 7: he'd ask questions about how I was doing.

330
00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,120
Speaker 1: And your stepdad had no idea.

331
00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,120
Speaker 7: My stepdad knewho he was, so he knew Yeah. So

332
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,920
Speaker 7: they talked about it. But my stepdad never told me

333
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,600
Speaker 7: that he was standing on the sidelines talking aside.

334
00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,600
Speaker 6: You never told me, Wow, Why do you think they

335
00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,160
Speaker 6: never did?

336
00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,560
Speaker 7: I think it's kind of the old philosophy of that generation.

337
00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,320
Speaker 7: Let a sleeping dog lie, don't wake up a problem,

338
00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,760
Speaker 7: you know, don't make matter.

339
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,600
Speaker 1: What did it do for you when you finally got

340
00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,120
Speaker 1: to meet your dad and you looked at him and

341
00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,840
Speaker 1: you saw that you looked like him, like you're dealing

342
00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,080
Speaker 1: with that orphan spirit? What did it do to help you?

343
00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,400
Speaker 3: As far as what made me wonder?

344
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,920
Speaker 7: For instance, it made me wonder what would my life

345
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,800
Speaker 7: have been like? How different would life be if he

346
00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,440
Speaker 7: would have been my father?

347
00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,680
Speaker 1: Cause you, I mean, your mother provided But there was

348
00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,280
Speaker 1: like an abundance.

349
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,760
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

350
00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, and my grandparents raised me most of the early years.

351
00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,520
Speaker 7: But no, I didn't live in the kind of house

352
00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,520
Speaker 7: that you know, a banker could buy, and so life

353
00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,120
Speaker 7: would have been so different. But yet I have to

354
00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,040
Speaker 7: look back and go the Lord knew, he knew what

355
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,600
Speaker 7: I needed. He really did.

356
00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,479
Speaker 2: Okay, So he gets sick and pretty.

357
00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,920
Speaker 3: Young, right, yeah, So how old would he have been.

358
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,880
Speaker 3: He was in his forties.

359
00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,040
Speaker 7: He had a cerebral hemorrhage, oh wow, and not expected

360
00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,440
Speaker 7: to live. They tried to do surgery and it didn't work.

361
00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,440
Speaker 7: So he was in a coma. And I got a

362
00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,680
Speaker 7: phone call from my grandfather saying, if you want to

363
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 7: see Sonny alive, you need to get to the hospital.

364
00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,240
Speaker 7: So they gave me a phone number to call cell

365
00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,400
Speaker 7: phones back then. So I called the waiting room and

366
00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,560
Speaker 7: got to my stepmother and she said, yes, we want

367
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,160
Speaker 7: you to come up, but please don't tell the girls

368
00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,400
Speaker 7: who you are. And everyone else in the family they

369
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,240
Speaker 7: know who you are, but don't tell the girls. And

370
00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,960
Speaker 7: so these would be my two half sisters. Don't tell them.

371
00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,000
Speaker 7: And then they said, and Granny Taylor wants to meet you,

372
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,280
Speaker 7: but we need to warn you. She is from Czechoslovakia.

373
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,680
Speaker 7: She's very high spirited. She has said all these years

374
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,360
Speaker 7: you're not her grandson. We don't know what she's going

375
00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,320
Speaker 7: to say. She may slap you, she may curse you.

376
00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,880
Speaker 7: So I'm just kind of ready, you know. But when

377
00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,600
Speaker 7: I walked in, one of my sisters recognized me from

378
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,200
Speaker 7: school and she said, Mark Job, what are you doing here?

379
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,280
Speaker 3: And the whole family's like frozen. What am I going

380
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,120
Speaker 3: to say? And I said, well, I'm a pastor.

381
00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,000
Speaker 7: Pastor, come visit, will come visit people in the hospital.

382
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,640
Speaker 7: I came to check on your dad and you know

383
00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,040
Speaker 7: how you guys doing, you know, So I got past

384
00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,160
Speaker 7: that first question. Yeah, But then I waited out on

385
00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,800
Speaker 7: the hallway and my grandmother walked up, and little bitty

386
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,520
Speaker 7: lady and look at my real grandmother, never met her,

387
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:06,720
Speaker 7: and you know, they.

388
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,479
Speaker 3: Warned me she might slap you. So here comes this

389
00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:09,119
Speaker 3: right hand.

390
00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,119
Speaker 7: She starts back here with it, and I'm ready, but

391
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,920
Speaker 7: she comes in slowly and she starts cressing my face and.

392
00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,920
Speaker 3: She said, you are Sonny's boy.

393
00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 12: Wow.

394
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,440
Speaker 7: Something broke loose inside of me when she said that.

395
00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,560
Speaker 7: I didn't know I needed to hear that, but I

396
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,600
Speaker 7: needed family to say.

397
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,040
Speaker 1: You belong Yeah.

398
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,440
Speaker 7: And interesting enough, I found out later after she passed away,

399
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,919
Speaker 7: she wrote me in the will, which solidified yes, she

400
00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,360
Speaker 7: believed I was your grandson.

401
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 1: Also, you got to go into the hospital room where

402
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,480
Speaker 1: your dad was, Yeah, and tell us about that experience.

403
00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 7: About three nights in a row, i'd stay late, and

404
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,800
Speaker 7: one night I was in there and I'm just praying,

405
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,720
Speaker 7: and I was having some experiences with the Lord because

406
00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,919
Speaker 7: I didn't realize this was about healing for me. And

407
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,960
Speaker 7: one of the experiences I had with the Lord was

408
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,680
Speaker 7: the closer my father got to death, he kept losing weight,

409
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,280
Speaker 7: and the more weight he lost, I saw his hands

410
00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,679
Speaker 7: looked like my hands, and his feet looked like my feet,

411
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,119
Speaker 7: and I saw the jawbones and deep set eyes, and

412
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,400
Speaker 7: I'm just, oh, my goodness, I look like this man.

413
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,560
Speaker 7: And the Lord spoke to me in the middle of it.

414
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,880
Speaker 7: I'm just like, I look like I look like this man,

415
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,359
Speaker 7: but I don't know him.

416
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,919
Speaker 3: And the Lord said, you looked like me, but you

417
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,439
Speaker 3: don't know me because you don't spend time with me.

418
00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,399
Speaker 7: And even though I was a Christian, I would talk

419
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,520
Speaker 7: to Jesus, but I wouldn't.

420
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 3: Talk to the Father.

421
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 7: I could feel the father's presence, but I wouldn't turn

422
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,760
Speaker 7: and talk to the father. And that's when that broke

423
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,280
Speaker 7: in me and I began to have a relationship with

424
00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,879
Speaker 7: my heavenly father. But one night, one of the nurses

425
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 7: walked in and she said, young man, I don't know

426
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,920
Speaker 7: who you are, but every time you talk to him,

427
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,639
Speaker 7: his heart monitor responds, I believe he can hear you.

428
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,919
Speaker 7: So I took that as from the Lord, and I

429
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 7: made peace with him forgave them and pray.

430
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 1: Talk to I mean, I've interviewed people that have died

431
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 1: and come back and they all say that they can hear. Yeah,

432
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 1: and so you actually kind of led him through a

433
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,879
Speaker 1: prayer of salvage did.

434
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 7: I just walked him through the whole thing, and I said,

435
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 7: don't let this be the last time we see each other,

436
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,640
Speaker 7: and fell to release that night.

437
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 3: He actually passed away the next day.

438
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 6: Well, it was the only time you actually got to

439
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 6: see him in person besides the hospital was when you

440
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 6: went to the bank.

441
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

442
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,920
Speaker 7: So the distance at the putt putt course and at

443
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 7: the bank, and then the last time was at the hospital.

444
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 9: Wow.

445
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 1: So so it was pretty close from the bank to

446
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 1: the hospital right the time that he had just a

447
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 1: couple of years.

448
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:45,880
Speaker 9: Wow.

449
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,399
Speaker 7: We kept saying we'll get back together, but really the

450
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 7: ball was in his court because he was going to

451
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,360
Speaker 7: tell his girls and then half me over.

452
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 3: And he never told the girls.

453
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 1: And now they know the girls.

454
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah they know now. But you know, we didn't talk

455
00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: about this.

456
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 7: I didn't talk about this publicly for many years because

457
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 7: it brought shame to my mother.

458
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 3: Because when my father.

459
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 7: Died and in the newspapers in Waco it came out

460
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 7: they had a son Mark job from Dallas. People started

461
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 7: calling my mother saying, it's this the same Mark job.

462
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 7: She was so full of shamed she never told her story.

463
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 7: So I didn't tell the story. But a few years

464
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 7: ago my mother passed away and the Lord started saying,

465
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 7: I need you to tell your story.

466
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: So when did the breakthrough come for you where you

467
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: really got set free from that orphan spirit and some

468
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: of the things that you read that you felt and

469
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: growing up.

470
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 3: It's definitely been a process.

471
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:37,919
Speaker 9: You know.

472
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 7: I've laughed about it and said I could tell how

473
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 7: messed up I was by how many fathers I needed

474
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:42,719
Speaker 7: to get healed.

475
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: Okay, because I had.

476
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 7: Pastors and youth pastors and coaches, you know. And Sandy's

477
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 7: helped me so much. She'll point out sometimes that's orphan thinking. Yeah,

478
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 7: and like I'll hold back on certain things.

479
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 3: She says, I say no to the wrong things, and yes,

480
00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 3: I say no to the.

481
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 7: God good and yes to the bad, because sometimes I

482
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 7: just have lived in fear.

483
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: I've lived in fear.

484
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 7: Financially, I've lived in fear and stepping out making some decisions.

485
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: Things like that all orphan minded.

486
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 7: And so it's been a process in the process of

487
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 7: my family.

488
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 3: Of origin being part of the healing. I'll say this.

489
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 7: The day my uncle called and said to me, he said,

490
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 7: I'm sending you some papers to sign because Grandy Taylor

491
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 7: wrote you into the will. Something broke loose of me

492
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 7: that day. I think some financial bondage broke loose in

493
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 7: me that day.

494
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 3: And it wasn't that my inheritance was a lot. It

495
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: was just the fact that that was broken in my life. Yeah.

496
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 7: And then another thing that was very significant. When I

497
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 7: went to my grandmother's funeral, Sandy was with me. We

498
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 7: walked down in the in the church, I viewed my grandmother,

499
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 7: and then later at the graveside, a man walked up

500
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 7: to me and he said, you don't know me, but

501
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 7: I was one of your dad's best friends. And today

502
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 7: when you walked past me in the church, he said.

503
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 7: I turned to my wife and I said, look at

504
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 7: that man. That's Sonny's son. I can tell by the

505
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 7: way he walks. And I don't know if you know Carrie,

506
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 7: my daughter, and Cody, but Cody has a son. Carry

507
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 7: and Cody have a son named Kingston, and you could

508
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 7: watch that kid walk and go, that's Cody's boy. So

509
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 7: it wasn't something I had copied.

510
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: My dad because I was never around him.

511
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 7: But my gait, the way I stepped, the way my mannerisms,

512
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 7: all of those things. As a matter of fact, my

513
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 7: stepmother had difficulty for several years being around me because

514
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 7: I looked so much like my dad.

515
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: You know, I acted like I talked like him.

516
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, my mannerisms were like But that day when he

517
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 7: said you walk like your dad, something also got healed

518
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 7: in me.

519
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. I was thinking about my husband never

520
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: got to know his biological father, but when he got

521
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: saved at nineteen, he really connected to his heavenly father

522
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: and that changed everything for him and for you too, Right,

523
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,719
Speaker 1: and so what would you say, Mark two people watching

524
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: right now, there may be somebody watching that maybe you

525
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: don't even know the Lord. You haven't even received Jesus

526
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: into your heart. That's the most important prayer you can

527
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: do today. But maybe talk about that, and also how

528
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: can they be free from the orphan spirit? Those that

529
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 1: are watching right now.

530
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: Yes, I'd like to say this to you.

531
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 7: If you focus on getting free from the orphan spirit,

532
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 7: you may fight a battle for the rest of your

533
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 7: life and not get the fruit you're looking for. But

534
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 7: if you'll realize that you have a perfect Father in

535
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 7: heaven and he loves you with an undying love, and

536
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 7: the whole fact that Jesus came from heaven to earth

537
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 7: to save you and forgive you, it is so much

538
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 7: bigger than religion. It is a relationship with a Father

539
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 7: that will heal you from an orphan spirit. So just

540
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 7: think about it. God wants to restore to you your identity.

541
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 7: He wants to restore to you all the areas of security.

542
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: He wants to restore.

543
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 7: To you your inheritance and eternal inheritance, all the things

544
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 7: that he wants to do. He has a calling on

545
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 7: your life. You don't have to just be a pastor

546
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 7: to have a calling, and that means you have a destiny.

547
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 7: And all those things are provided for by a relationship

548
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 7: with the Father. So the foundation of it, the start

549
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 7: is give your heart to Jesus, yield to the family.

550
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 7: Jesus came to forgive you, save you, set you free.

551
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 7: Is like changing the judicial control of your heart. No

552
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 7: longer can an orphan spirit control you. He's lost the

553
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 7: judicial right, and the Bible says that the spirit of

554
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 7: adoption will overwhelm you. I've known people who God's distant

555
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 7: to them. They talk about God like he's the big

556
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 7: man upstairs. They're kind about God, but they don't have

557
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 7: a personal relationship with God. Can I tell you that

558
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 7: the Father will not disappoint you. He'll never leave you,

559
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 7: He'll never forsake you, He'll never lie to you. All

560
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 7: the things that maybe an earthly father did to hurt you,

561
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 7: Father God will not. He's the perfect Father. And as

562
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 7: a matter of fact, you can pray right now inviting

563
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 7: Jesus into your heart so that the whole Like I

564
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 7: said a moment ago, the judicial system, the legal system

565
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 7: of an orphan spirit hanging on to you is broken.

566
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 7: Let me let me help you with that prayer. All

567
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 7: you have to do is say, Father, I want to

568
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 7: be adopted. I want to know that I belong to you,

569
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 7: to thank you for sending Jesus to die for me.

570
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 7: I refuse to fight any longer.

571
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: I yield to you, Lord. I ask you to forgive me.

572
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: Forgive I asked you to cleanse me, and.

573
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 7: I accept the spirit of adoption, the spirit I.

574
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: Belong to you. I'm yours.

575
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 7: You're my father, your father, and I'm your child. And

576
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 7: I'm going to tell you, by the authority of the

577
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 7: Word of God, you've been not only what the Bible

578
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 7: call is born again, but you've been accepted it in

579
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 7: the family of God. There's a place for you at

580
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 7: the table and your father, Father God is your personal

581
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 7: father now because of that, and that's what breaks the

582
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 7: spirit of an orphan off of.

583
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: Us that I love that well. We are out of time.

584
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: I want you to remember you don't have to earn

585
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: your place, or prove your worth or run from your past.

586
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: Jesus is calling you today. He has a table prepared

587
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: and a seat ready for you. And all you have

588
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: to do is say yes. And for those of you

589
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: that prayed that prayer today. There's a prayer line number

590
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: that's on the screen. We'd love for you to call

591
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: and let us know that you prayed. We'd love to

592
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: pray with you. I'd love to send you the Gospel

593
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: of John as our gift. It's a great place to

594
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: start in the Word of God. But it is the

595
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: most important prayer that you can pray. But I really

596
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: felt what resonated with me was something you said, Mark,

597
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: is that there are a lot of people watching the

598
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: you don't know your father or your father has passed,

599
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: or there's no way to really get in touch with

600
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: your father or your mother or your family of origin.

601
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: And what we're saying today is heavenly Father is just

602
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: like waiting for you to come into his arms. I mean,

603
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: he loves you so much, wants to have a personal

604
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: relationship with you. And if you start to navigate that

605
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: in a way where you open your heart and talk

606
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: to him just like we're talking around the table, it'll

607
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: change your life. I mean he will begin to speak

608
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: to you through his word. He'll speak to you through

609
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: worship or songs, and you'll feel his presence and you

610
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: can get up every morning and say Okay, heavenly Father,

611
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: what are we doing today? And He'll start giving you

612
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: impressions I mean, and you will start to have a

613
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: real relationship with the Father that loves you so very much. Well,

614
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: I do want to thank Mark and Sandy for joining us.

615
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: To know more about their ministry. You can visit Gateway

616
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: People dot com as always make sure to follo us

617
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: on social media, subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes,

618
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: exclusive content, and let us know how table Talk is

619
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: touching your life. We love hearing from all of you.

620
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: Of course, you can also listen to the Johnny Table

621
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: Talk podcast avable now on all the major platforms. But

622
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for watching, especially

623
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: those of you that's resonated with you and it spoke

624
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: to you and the Holy Spirit is just opens your

625
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: heart to receive just healing in this area. And I'm

626
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: excited about the days ahead because just like Mark said,

627
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: God has continued purpose and destiny for you, He really does. Okay,

628
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: if you pray that prayer, call the number. If you

629
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: need prayer for anything at all, call that number. Thank you, ladies,

630
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark and Sandy, love you all so very much.

631
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing great, great story, isn't God good?

632
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time by bye for today.

633
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: Content warning.

634
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 11: This segment includes discussions of sensitive topics like abuse and

635
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 11: adult material.

636
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: Viewer discussion advised.

637
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: So how can leaders transition well without risking the trust, health,

638
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: or mission of their organization? Well, today's guests or a

639
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: father and son who have walked through transition in ministry

640
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: and they're here to share from their book, Past the

641
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: mic before it drops. I love that title because usually

642
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: we hear drop the mic. So this has passed the

643
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: mic before it drops? Were we get to that? Joining

644
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: me on the table scheddle Kelly Dean And this is

645
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: a story you can understand relates.

646
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: To Oh absolutely, because your.

647
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Father in law, Yeah, Dan Dean started a church.

648
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: That's right.

649
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 5: Well it was Dusty's grandfather, Okay, and then he transitioned

650
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: to Dan. And then in twenty nineteen, right before COVID,

651
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 5: we transitioned to them to me and Dusty and we

652
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: learned so much and we're having such a great time

653
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 5: doing it. Yeah, but it is really important. How you

654
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 5: do this is so special. It was so for the

655
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 5: long process that yeah, we had a five year plan

656
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: than a three year plan. I mean we were very

657
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 5: intentional with it, and honestly we can say that when

658
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: it happened, it was smooth and we'd already made some

659
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: fun changes and everything was great.

660
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we it was just it was a beautiful.

661
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: Beautiful trans choice the story sadly no, no, so we're

662
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: going to talk about that.

663
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: How do we do that? And a kindle How are you?

664
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm just great.

665
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: It looks so beautiful. Thank you you, Thank Rachel Lamb Brown.

666
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good.

667
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this because you know,

668
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 6: legacy is so important and you know, it's a dad

669
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 6: like he used to talk about that and we would actively,

670
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 6: you know, just kind of and we and.

671
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: We are we have been family working together for many years.

672
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 6: Yes, and so it's important to have a plan Andra, yes,

673
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 6: and execute it well.

674
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: Well, have a plan. And what I love about their

675
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: story a servant's hard. Yeah, when you're willing to that's

676
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: what makes it want willing to honor and walk it

677
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: out in the way God would intend.

678
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 6: Pastor Russell Evans, he's like a mentor to Josh and I.

679
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 6: He always says that what what you honor, who you honor.

680
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: You can receive from that's.

681
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: That's so good.

682
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Dorothy Newton, how are you doing really good? We've seen

683
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: that like transition working a good way in a bad way.

684
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 12: Absolutely absolutely. You know, legacy is history repeating itself. And

685
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 12: the great thing about it is, no matter what your

686
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 12: past is, you get to choose what that's going to

687
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 12: look like for future generations. And I just I love

688
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 12: God because he reveals that over and over and over again,

689
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 12: no matter what happens, whether you're a single parent or not,

690
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 12: he is always present. And you know that legacy can

691
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 12: be beautiful for anybody.

692
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Cidney Murdock, we're not talking about just

693
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: the legacy and ministry. Like my grandfather was not a ministry,

694
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: but he received the Lord at nineteen and changed the

695
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: trajectory of our family and he would marry my grandma,

696
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: raised seven children and impact them and then my dad.

697
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean it just and you can see the legacy

698
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: of godliness and faith and humility that would be passed down.

699
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: And now you know talks about the children's children. Oh,

700
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm part of the children's children. I mean Grandpa has

701
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: a part.

702
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: Of that exactly.

703
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: Think about that.

704
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 8: I think transitions can be so beautiful and I know,

705
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 8: I think about the transition when I was gonna step

706
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 8: down from being a worship leader, and who I knew

707
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 8: I was going to pass it to and I am

708
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 8: and it was somebody that have been on the.

709
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: Team and was so great a team player.

710
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 8: And I felt like the Lord said, Cindy is like football,

711
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 8: it's time for you to pass the ball. It doesn't

712
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 8: matter who makes the touchdown, as long as the team

713
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 8: gets the touchdown. And so that's what I've always remembered.

714
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: That's good. And so today Pastors Kim and David Norris, welcome,

715
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: thank you to the table. We're going to talk about

716
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: this in your book past the mic before it drops.

717
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be good. Pastor Kim Norris has preached

718
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: the gospel for decades and now his son, Pastor David Norris,

719
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: is leading the next generation. Together, they have navigated seamless transition,

720
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: well maybe not seamless, pretty seamless, and they're here to

721
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: help others do the same. And that's one reason why

722
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: you wrote the book. I mean, I have seen situations

723
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: in ministry and in business where the father would be

724
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: very successful and then the son or daughter would want

725
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: to just come along and take over without any training, transition,

726
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: humility or servant's heart, just like you know, this belongs

727
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: to me and I should do it. And that attitude

728
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: will never work, will it, Kim?

729
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: No?

730
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 13: No, And to your point, Joni David demonstrated right from

731
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 13: the beginning he just wanted to be a servant of

732
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 13: God and labor in the church. No demands about preaching,

733
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 13: and I'm very thankful.

734
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: And he started like with the young people, right, he said,

735
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: I need you to go work in this area. And

736
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: he could have said, well, no doubt, I'm ready to

737
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: get up behind the pole and breach. He didn't do that.

738
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: He did and he wasn't ready at that point.

739
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: So we do that.

740
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 13: Yes, he had the annoying, had the fire, he loved

741
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 13: the scripture, but there's an emotional matorre.

742
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: It just needs to process.

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I remember my late husband said that about

744
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: our kids, like he so wanted them to continue the legacy.

745
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: But I remember we had a long conversation he said,

746
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: but they're not ready right now, and so you kind

747
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: of have to wait and see that training take place.

748
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: Because I know when I was thirty years old the

749
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: wisdom I had versus yes that I'm fifty something years

750
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: old in a few years is so different, isn't it.

751
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: Yes?

752
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: And so did you find that out, David, I mean

753
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: through the years of transitioning of while being a pastor

754
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: is so much more than just getting up and preaching.

755
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 11: Well, I never actually pushed him out.

756
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 9: I didn't want to, you know.

757
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 11: I didn't want to take it right away because I

758
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 11: saw the burden that my parents carry growing up and

759
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 11: I knew it's.

760
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: Really leaned into that, right I did.

761
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 9: And it's you know, it's real.

762
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 11: It's not easy, and so I was patient. And then

763
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 11: as we became the pastors, it's a challenge, you know,

764
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 11: it's just you know, there's great times, there's tough times.

765
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 6: Where do you think most people get it wrong?

766
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 13: That's a good question. I think it goes both ways,

767
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 13: you know. I think obviously it's hard to for for

768
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 13: human nature to delegate power, and we see it today

769
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 13: it is in every dimension.

770
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: Especially you pastor for thirty years. So the people love you.

771
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby.

772
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: In fact, my mom said, what are you doing?

773
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 13: The church is finally to the place that you really

774
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 13: want it, and now you're giving it to your side. Mom,

775
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 13: I said, it's David's time.

776
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, it really is.

777
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 13: And it's my time to go on and I'm living

778
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 13: my dream now.

779
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: And you know, let's talk a little bit about that

780
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: because you had really probably looking back, would have never

781
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: realized that in transitioning, because now David's been passing for

782
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: almost eleven years. The church, yes, but you still have

783
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: been there been afore you still show up in I

784
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: guess the church probably still support some of the stuff

785
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: that you're doing.

786
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: But what did God put in your heart?

787
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: It kind of changed your identity as far as being

788
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: the pastor of that church.

789
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 13: I had a dream when I was twenty one and

790
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 13: Alma Hedgepath, the one that led us to Christ, prophesied

791
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 13: and said, you're going to speak in nations in Africa,

792
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 13: and I see thousands.

793
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: Of people coming.

794
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 13: It planted a seed and it kept growing through the

795
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 13: years and it finally got released, and so I already

796
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 13: had something inside of me that was pushing me forward.

797
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 6: Do you think that's key though, whenever you're transitioning away,

798
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 6: that there's something else for you to Trendsition two like,

799
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 6: maybe it gets really messy when the person that's leaving

800
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 6: doesn't really go anywhere, and.

801
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: It's difficult at times.

802
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 13: Maybe perhaps to see a new vision for yourself or

803
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 13: a new self image of what you can be.

804
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: But God said, the righteous shot hit. The path of

805
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: the righteous is.

806
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 13: A shining light that shines more and more to the

807
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 13: perfect day.

808
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: So God's plan is not less, Yes.

809
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: Brighter, older, that's a good word.

810
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: That's a good word for somebody watching right now that

811
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: you have maybe transition from one to some and God

812
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, I'm going to take all that you

813
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: have learned here and I'm going to move you over here.

814
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: And you thought you were just going to like semi

815
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: retire and God and say, no, you you were not.

816
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I started in music, in worship.

817
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: That's what I did. That was my laying, that was

818
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: my little you know. And then it moved to you know,

819
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: co hosting, and then it moved to hosting, and then

820
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: it moved to leading, which I was leading but being

821
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: the leader. And so you can see each one of

822
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: those transitions is like, you know, we were watching the

823
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: series that Josh should us to watch about David. Oh,

824
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: it's so good because you're seeing the shepherd boy who

825
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: then becomes the psalmist, who plays in the palace, who

826
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: then becomes a warrior who then becomes a king.

827
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: But he had to go through.

828
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: All those different So tell us, and we're going to

829
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: get to David's story because I want to talk about

830
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: some of the hurdles you had to overcome to even

831
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: be where you are right now. But what are you

832
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: doing right now? Tell us about some of the international things.

833
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 13: Just got back from Pakistan and the day after we left,

834
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 13: they shut down all the airspace, so we got out

835
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 13: in time before this war broke out with it.

836
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: So what's the story, because I know we have people

837
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: that watch.

838
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 13: You know, in Pakistan, Jesus said, the fields are white.

839
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 13: I mean they're just ready by the thoul to hear

840
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 13: the gospel.

841
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: So you get excited about doing Oh.

842
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: Man, it's so what happened.

843
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 13: I was a good pastor, but I'm a better evangelist.

844
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 9: Amen.

845
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: So you're having some great things happen overseas. Yes, And

846
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: and tell us a couple of the miracles that happen.

847
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 13: I prayed for a beautiful little four year old that

848
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 13: so it looked like she was vexed with muscular dystrophee

849
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 13: and her little brother was next to her in a wheelchair,

850
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 13: and UH just preached a healing, saving gospel and uh.

851
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 13: And then we had the altra time and then people

852
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 13: were just praying. And then I watched her she she

853
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 13: I went over and took her hands and just prayed

854
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 13: for and she put her head back and she is connected.

855
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: With her faith to God.

856
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 13: It was amazing and anything I know, she started walking

857
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 13: out of that chair. This was anti climactic really to

858
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 13: the force of the service corporately. And then she's completely

859
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 13: out of that wheelchair. Now evangelist and told that.

860
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: Jesus is the same.

861
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: And we see some of our greatest miracles in places

862
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: like that.

863
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: Desperation.

864
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So Davy, let's go back a little bit

865
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: and talk about growing up Piquet. But you went through

866
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: something very difficult and you didn't tell anybody about it.

867
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: I didn't tell tell tell us what happened and how

868
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: you overcame it to even do what you do today.

869
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 9: So my parents were great parents, are great parents. He's

870
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 9: my best friend.

871
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 11: So I'm so thankful for that dynamic. But we struggled

872
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 11: our family. We had no money, our church. You know,

873
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 11: we were on the wrong side of the town and

874
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 11: barely making it at times.

875
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 9: But my dad and mom made it fun.

876
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 11: Yet I struggled in school, had a stuttering issue, had

877
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 11: a chip on my shoulder. The kindergarten principal as a

878
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 11: kindergarten he's.

879
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 9: Spanking with the paddle. I mean, I just I just

880
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 9: had his shoes.

881
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 11: And then probably about nine years old, a gentleman four

882
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 11: years older than me molested me. And I didn't understand

883
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 11: what that was at the time. It was really crafty,

884
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 11: but that was just you know, breeding anger and resentment.

885
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 9: I was into basketball a lot.

886
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 11: My grandfather played in the NBA WO and won the

887
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 11: World Championship in nineteen forty seven. My dad was a

888
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 11: great basketball player, and so again basketball is in.

889
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 9: Our family, and so that helped me, that's right, right.

890
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 9: I was going to the NBA but didn't work out

891
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 9: for me, and so, you know, basketball helped me.

892
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 11: But I was wandering and my parents were great, but

893
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 11: I was struggling and really didn't know the depth of

894
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 11: my struggle. Dealt with a little bit of substance abuse in.

895
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 9: Eighth ninth grade.

896
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 11: My basketball coach really helped save me through basketball, and

897
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 11: I got saved in ninety six. But really after I

898
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 11: got saved, I started living for Christ and some of my.

899
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: Friends tell us how you got saved because a lot

900
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: of people watching they hear that term and they're like,

901
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: what do you mean you got saved? Did you get

902
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: saved from?

903
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 3: I went, oh, myself, sin?

904
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: You got you got to say from the scripture that

905
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: says for all have sin. Yeah, I'm sure that's the

906
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: glory of God where all of us are sinners. That's

907
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: what we're saying.

908
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 9: That's right.

909
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: And he wants to save you today, like he loves

910
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: you so much. So okay, so you had all that baggage,

911
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: but you went to I.

912
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 9: Went to a church camp with my cousin.

913
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: I went church camps are good because you didn't want

914
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: to go.

915
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 9: I didn't want to go.

916
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 11: In fact, my oldest son had an encounter with God

917
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 11: two years ago at a church camp. It feels called

918
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 11: to be a pastor, so it's very it's very impactful.

919
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 11: But I went for a girl, and uh, but I

920
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 11: had a horrible attitude. And the first night I started

921
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 11: hearing the voice of the Lord speak to me in

922
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 11: my in my spirit, and I was like, no, no, no,

923
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 11: I'm not doing that and had a bad attitude.

924
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: And by when you felt the presence.

925
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 11: I did, I did, and then on Wednesday, they had

926
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 11: two hippies lead worship. Uh no socks or no shoes,

927
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 11: and socks on their shirts.

928
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 9: Were button way too down. It's little weird.

929
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 11: And they were doing worship and the Holy Spirit man

930
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 11: came in that room, or or at least came on

931
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 11: me and the Lord here, that's right, and I was

932
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 11: halfway I was halfway back, raised my hands and it

933
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 11: was like a conversion moment. Wowow, and really something changed.

934
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 11: Really what was crazy is less than eight hours after

935
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 11: that moment, we were on a small college Indiana, and I

936
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 11: didn't know one of my high school friends, who was

937
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 11: an amazing basketball player, played basketball at that college and

938
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 11: was there for summer workouts. After I got saved, the

939
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 11: next morning, I woke up and walked to the morning

940
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 11: session and it happened to cross paths with him, and

941
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 11: I did wrong things with him, and so he said, hey,

942
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 11: go go some girls, let's do this, and I said no.

943
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 11: I said I'm saved, man, I'm not doing that anymore.

944
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 11: And what's sad is is about ten years later they

945
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 11: found him murdered. So really, God intervened in ways that

946
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 11: I didn't even understand at the time. And now I

947
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 11: see Oh wow, you know I was. I was going

948
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 11: down or wrong, the wrong road. But then really that

949
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 11: was ninety six and my life I've totally changed.

950
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 9: My dad didn't believe me.

951
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 11: That I was saved until I got home, and then

952
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 11: he saw the difference in me.

953
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: Tell me twice.

954
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 9: We'll go ahead to it.

955
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: So what were you thinking, like, okay, she's gonna do

956
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: because we had this big brujaha before he left camp.

957
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: And then he comes back to Dad, I got to

958
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: talk to you.

959
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 13: I thot, okay, Lord, help me endure this conversation. And

960
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 13: he said, Dad, I got reclaimed. I'm saying I gave

961
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 13: my life back to Christ. And he said, I'm called

962
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 13: to preach. I'm coming to help you. Wow.

963
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, save the whole story again. He did,

964
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: and he lived it. He went after it.

965
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So at some point you met a beautiful

966
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: young lady.

967
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, Summer and I met her.

968
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: We have a picture we'll have to show you. Tell

969
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: us the story about Summer.

970
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 9: In two thousand and two, I met her. I was

971
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 9: struggling with my hair loss.

972
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 11: Thinking I was ugly, and I shaved my head and

973
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 11: I met her, not knowing that she prayed privately if

974
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 11: she'd marry a white guy, he had to be bald.

975
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 9: She and I started, and.

976
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: She wanted a bald white that's right.

977
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 3: Well God, thank you Jesus.

978
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 9: I'll be bald seven lifetimes. We have four kids.

979
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 11: And but really after we were married, it took probably

980
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 11: three to four years into our marriage that I really

981
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 11: dealt with the abuse, really got healed, went to counseling,

982
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 11: had accountability, went forward in my faith.

983
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: And it's important, I think.

984
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Don't you think pastors like people think you know counseling,

985
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, oh, just go the alter and pray. But exactly,

986
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: God uses Christian counselors.

987
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 9: And she was amazing.

988
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 11: In fact, she she gave me I still have on

989
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 11: my dresser a three by five card that she wrote

990
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 11: three after she heard my story.

991
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 9: She gave me three themes in my life. And I

992
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 9: was like, oh my God, how did you know that?

993
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 9: And it was like an Aha moment. So we need.

994
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 11: People to help us understand ourselves. We need God need

995
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 11: us to step in and say God, I'm yours, and we.

996
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 9: Need the right people to help us.

997
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 11: And that's pastors, counselors, et cetera, and shining.

998
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: The light because there's things that are kept in the dark.

999
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: They will hold us captives. So it's important to shine

1000
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: the light. Always say that truth always wins. It's so

1001
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: important that we don't allow truth to be hidden and

1002
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: lies will fall to the ground. Right, And the lie

1003
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: that you did something or whatever, that was a lie

1004
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: and you had to get through that. So once you

1005
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: got through that and you started transitioning into past pastoring

1006
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: the church, your dad was still there, right, kind of

1007
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: like a rock to help you process.

1008
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 11: There's some sundays where he's in town and it will

1009
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 11: be me.

1010
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 9: Summer, my dad, my mom, and my mother in law

1011
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 9: on the front row worshiping God.

1012
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 11: And I'm like, I had these moments of like, just

1013
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 11: just take this in because one day it's not going

1014
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 11: to be the case. Yeah, all three of them are strong,

1015
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 11: All three of them are involved in our church.

1016
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: It's perfect, right, thinking this is perfect. What do you

1017
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: think when you hear him get up and preach.

1018
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 13: Ephesion three twenty said, he's able to do The Lord

1019
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 13: is above all that we can ask.

1020
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Exceeding abundantly.

1021
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, exceedingly abundantly.

1022
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 13: Thank you, And David is he makes me look better

1023
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 13: than what I am.

1024
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: He's really got the heart for the Lord and for souls.

1025
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: That's so neat. I love that. I love this story.

1026
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: We're talking about the book.

1027
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: Past the mic before it drops, and when we come back,

1028
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: we'll talk about maybe even those of you that have

1029
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: been blessed in businesses and industry and you're looking to

1030
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: make transition and legacy continues to stay right there.

1031
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

1032
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 14: Some books deserve to be held, cherished, remembered. This book

1033
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 14: is more than that. It's a place to meet God.

1034
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 14: Every verse invites you to slow down, to listen, along

1035
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 14: with a journal that offers a quiet space for your prayers,

1036
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 14: your questions, your journey, for moments of stillness, for words

1037
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 14: that matter.

1038
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: Order your Bible and Journal bundle.

1039
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: Now, so let's talk a little bit about Kim, why

1040
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: you wrote the book and kind of address people who

1041
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 1: are watching. Maybe they're not in ministry, but they're they're

1042
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: trying to transition family. What are the things you look

1043
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: for and what are the things that would be like

1044
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: red flags as to maybe that transition shouldn't happen good exactly?

1045
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 13: You know I wanted this book, of course, David, I

1046
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 13: wrote together for parents, for business owners, for pastors, because

1047
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 13: all of a sudden a sense are in transition, aren't we,

1048
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 13: and we're going from states to stage in our lives.

1049
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 13: I think it's really important though, that the that we

1050
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 13: qualify the people that we sense great potential in their patterns,

1051
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 13: honestly their attitudes, and if we think and hey, they'll

1052
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 13: change later, usually that's a that's a that's a mistake.

1053
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 13: Do we love everyone absolutely, But we're talking about legacy, Yes,

1054
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 13: we're talking about succession. Or Roberts said years ago, there

1055
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 13: is no success without a success sir.

1056
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: I think that's very important who we trust.

1057
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: And you see that a lot of times as well,

1058
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: where where that transitioning person comes in and thinks, well,

1059
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: God's annoying me, and I know better and I can

1060
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: do this, and it's just a heart condition that that's

1061
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: not pleasing to the Lord.

1062
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 11: Is not And I think that for me as the son,

1063
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 11: or even if you're not family, the person that's coming

1064
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 11: into the new positions got to be humble and learn

1065
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 11: from the person that is giving it. And so I was,

1066
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 11: you know, wanting to learn. I have great leaders in

1067
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 11: my life, and there's.

1068
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: Probably things you didn't necessarily always agree with him.

1069
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: About right.

1070
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 13: We had thousands of conversations and still do no.

1071
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: But you respected right absolutely and honored even though you

1072
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: may not agree.

1073
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 11: Because even though maybe I have new ideas or I

1074
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 11: know the latest fads and he doesn't. Maybe he knows

1075
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 11: what he's doing and he knows the main thing. Fads

1076
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 11: come and go. But what he knows is longevity and

1077
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 11: wisdom and so.

1078
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: And on top of that, he's your father.

1079
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: So not only is he the lead pastor, but the

1080
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: Bible is pretty clear about honoring parents. Your parents. Was

1081
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: that important for you to understand as well?

1082
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 9: Yes it was.

1083
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 11: And I respect my parents. I love them, but I've

1084
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 11: seen them in private and I've seen them in public.

1085
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 11: So I've always had a respect for them and the

1086
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 11: miracles that God is doing now in our church. Oftentimes

1087
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 11: I think about those days that my mom did praise

1088
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 11: and worship and no one was there to help her

1089
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 11: and getting her, you know, and she got my sister ready,

1090
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 11: and my sister's screaming as she's brushing her. There, I'm

1091
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 11: wrestling with my brothers, messing up their close.

1092
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 9: And we walk across the little parking lot into the church.

1093
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: No one knows what she has been through it gets

1094
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: up there.

1095
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 9: Gets up there and probably fifty people and has to

1096
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 9: bring him into the presence of God. And she just

1097
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 9: dealt with chaos.

1098
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 11: And those days helped make these days a reality.

1099
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 9: And so I honor that.

1100
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 6: You saw the blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice. I have a

1101
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 6: question now that you guys have successfully gone through a transition,

1102
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 6: is there anything that you would have done differently or

1103
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 6: what is the biggest lesson you learned through the process.

1104
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 11: I could share maybe to the second part of that.

1105
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 11: One lesson that I think really stood out to me

1106
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 11: that I think was ingenious by my dad is a

1107
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 11: lot of people in business or church, they don't change

1108
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 11: anything until they pass it to the next person and

1109
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 11: make the new person change everything, and then that new

1110
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 11: person becomes the bad guy.

1111
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 9: Yes, that's a disaster.

1112
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 11: So my dad, in private, we would talk about a

1113
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 11: lot of changes to the church, and he allowed me

1114
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 11: to help those changes be made through him while he

1115
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 11: was the pastor.

1116
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 9: It's so good, So all those changes were done.

1117
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 11: So by the time I became the pastor, that cultural

1118
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 11: shift had already happened.

1119
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: And it was like a slower process. It was it's

1120
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: just like overnight. Good screens up and take everything.

1121
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 5: No transition is scary enough that we did that as well.

1122
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 5: We had started five years out and he was like whatever.

1123
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 5: Dan was so gracious, and you know, I mean, you

1124
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 5: have to get props because that's a big deal.

1125
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: You have built this, you.

1126
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 5: Have worked it, you have sweat every vision, everything, and

1127
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 5: then you're just like, okay, I'm handing my baby over.

1128
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I'm cussing you at this. Don't drop it, don't drop it.

1129
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 5: But to have that was so valuable because when you

1130
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 5: made that announcement, hey, Dad's just changing.

1131
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: He's not leaving the team.

1132
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 5: He's just changing his position.

1133
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: On the team.

1134
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 5: And guess what, nothing else is changing because we already

1135
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 5: changed it. It's a deep breath that comes over everyone

1136
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 5: because like, oh, this is a healthy thing.

1137
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: This is a.

1138
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 5: Good thing, right, And then you have you don't have

1139
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 5: needless casualties because of confusion.

1140
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: But you're still different in leadership. I mean the way

1141
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: I mean the way that you work alongside Dusty and

1142
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: what you do with the church, what Dusty does, and

1143
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: that's okay. I think that's probably shock enough that you're

1144
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: not going to preach like him, or you're not going

1145
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: to lead exactly like him no, and that's okay.

1146
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 11: And he gave me the freedom to be myself.

1147
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1148
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: Great, thankful for that.

1149
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: That's great, you know, Cindy. On the other side of this,

1150
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the sad stories where transition was

1151
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, and yet there's character flaws, there's sin,

1152
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: there's I mean, and really it can't happen and be

1153
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: what God wants it to be. If you have that going.

1154
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 8: On within a person's heart, it cannot. And I think

1155
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 8: what you said even earlier. God definitely looks at the heart.

1156
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 8: And when pride enters a heart, do they feel like

1157
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 8: that they deserve a position or they deserve this, But

1158
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 8: there's already sin and then there's pride. God just shut it.

1159
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: It was like, no way, Well, we're out of time.

1160
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: But David, when a leader sees that you can't allow

1161
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: that to continue, you have to maybe look else where God,

1162
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe you and something else, and he's showing you that heart,

1163
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: and you need to pay attention and not try to

1164
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: force it.

1165
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 9: Right, don't force it.

1166
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 11: Please, don't force it because the legacy is too precious

1167
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 11: and we are to grow faith to faith. And if

1168
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 11: you can avoid the stumble, avoid the Stumble and the transition.

1169
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 9: So guys are wonderful examples. Yeah, thank you.

1170
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: Well, this is the book Past the Mic before it

1171
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: drops Pastor Kim Norris and David Norris. I love it.

1172
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: Well.

1173
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: We are out of time today, but I want you

1174
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: to remember that God's plans are always generational. Whether you're

1175
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: passing the mic or picking one up, his call is

1176
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: still on your life and he's not finished with you yet.

1177
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: So important to keep your heart right, to stay humble

1178
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: and understand it's not about you that it's about glorifying him.

1179
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: It's about giving him all the glory for everything. When

1180
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: you give all of that to him and give him

1181
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: all the glory, that's when He can really use you.

1182
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: When you understand it's not about you, your position or

1183
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: what you're entitled to. When you understand you're entitled to

1184
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: nothing without him. Only when you put him first, can

1185
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: God really use you. Well, if you're watching today and

1186
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: you need prayer, maybe you're believing for someone in your

1187
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: family to be saved, or maybe you don't even know

1188
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: the Lord yourself, you know the most important thing you

1189
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: could do today is invite Jesus into your heart. And

1190
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: just you know, I say it all the time. My

1191
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: grandfather just said, God, if you're there, I need you.

1192
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: He didn't know what to pray. Some of you don't

1193
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: even know what to pray. But I'm just telling you

1194
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: the Lord's dealing with you. Feel the presence of God

1195
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: right there where you are. Just open up your heart

1196
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: and say, Jesus, you know whatever these people are talking about.

1197
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, but I know I need something

1198
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just asking you to come into my heart

1199
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: today forgive me, and whatever you can do with me,

1200
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm ready. You will be shocked at what he can

1201
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: do with that prayer. We have prayer partners you're standing by,

1202
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: ready to pray with you. They would love to pray

1203
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: with you, encourage you. We don't want anything from you.

1204
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: We don't want you. Don't have to leave your name, address, anything,

1205
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: but we would love to send you the Book of John,

1206
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: the Gospel of John. It's a great place to start

1207
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: in the Bible. And we're just excited about you praying

1208
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: that prayer again. If you have lost loved ones, call

1209
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: and we want to pray for those as well.

1210
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 14: Well.

1211
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: Thank you so much Kim and David for joining us

1212
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: at the table. Get a copy of their book. Find

1213
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: out more about their ministries. You can visit Kim Norris

1214
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: dot org and Davidnorris dot org and as always, make

1215
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: sure to follow us on all social media. Subscribe to

1216
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content, and

1217
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: let us know how table Talk is touching your life.

1218
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. You can also listen to

1219
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: the Johnny Table Talk podcast available now on all the

1220
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: major platforms. Thank you so much for watching. That was

1221
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: a lot. That was a long read, right there, I'll

1222
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: tell you right. We'll see you next time. God bless you.

1223
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: We love you. Bye bye for today