WEBVTT - Episode 169 w/ NAS 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.920 And his Drink Chats Motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queen's rapper, 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.320 He's segre is your boy in o R. He's a 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.599 Miami hippop pioneer. Up is d j e f N. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.279 Together they drinking up with some of the biggest players 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.600 in the most professional unprofessional podcast, and yet number one 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:35.160 source were drunk back. Mother is New year Z. Let's 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:45.680 time for drink Champs, Trick Up Mother? Would it could be? 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.839 Hopefully wouldn't still be? This is your Boy and O R? 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.400 What up is d j e f N? This Drink 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:59.720 Chats Motherfucker? Yappy hour makes up. When we started this show, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.480 we said that there was no platform for legends. When 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.760 you have ten, fifteen years or more in this game, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.360 they want to call you old, they want to call 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.280 you washed up, they want to say this over for you. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.200 And all genres of movement like rock and roll, jazz, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.279 whatever the older you get, the more season you get. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.000 I wanted to change that in hip hop, so instead 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.800 of us can playing about it, we did what the 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.640 funk we had to do. So when we throught of 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.480 this show, the person that's here that's our guest today 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.679 is the Empity of me of that is the guard 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.800 m C. He's my favorite MC of all times. I 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.400 never even told him that this makes me a kind 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.960 of fake nigger, like I told him that, like I 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:38.200 said texting right. One of the best business man. He 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.880 showed Queen's Bridge people that not only you can be 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.399 from the hood, but you can transition yourself into being 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.400 a real full fledged businessman from the world. Showed the 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.440 world this man has done whatever he had to do 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.640 countless times and he's on top. He's number one m C. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.200 One of the illdest lyrically ever inclined, keeping the classy, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.920 keeping the clup. See, I've never seen them on a 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.080 bump day. Neither then they've never had one bump day, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.040 Like everybody has a bump day. Nows like at one 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.560 point you're gonna come outside like a you got to. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.280 But if you don't know what we're talking about, me too, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:18.920 about Niles by the way, By the way, they still 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.920 like being called Niles Estoball or yeah you don't give up, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.239 Yeah I don't give a thing. Cool got them you 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:30.359 already drinking before me. So right now we're celebrating lost tapes. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.600 So let's take those those tapes too. So let's break 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.120 down the origin of lost tapes. Lost tapes is the 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.000 records that didn't make the album. You could make an 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:47.120 album out of your side, but yeah, yeah, you know 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.880 you got the records that you didn't he wasn't sure about, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.560 so you just they sit around. What's spending time? Is 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:59.160 this that these records are like win and win, like 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:06.359 two thousands seven to last year. Yeah, it's different albums. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.800 a couple of albums. So the crazy thing is, um, first, um, 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.280 first time I actually met you, met you was on 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.160 Vernon Boulevard. I think he was going on tour and 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.840 you was your your homeboys is playing this record that 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.480 I've never heard before in my life. I heard it 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.359 one time one time, Odie. I don't know if you 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.880 remember this story. I'm walking through Vernon Bulevard cause you 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:32.760 shotted me out without actually meeting me, like like, and 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.960 I finally met you. They it was playing this record. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.640 Now you tell me if I'm bugging it was there's 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.760 a lady cops sucking the thugs dick on some bug ship. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.800 Yeah that record up. No, he's looking at little STAPs 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:54.800 for that record. I'm looking to lock. It's the first time. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:04:01.160 I feel like little Wayne bit your ship, oh ship. Yeah, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:02.960 you know when I when I heard that song, it 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.600 reminded me of that ship. But I didn't think nobody 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.200 even that. You wouldn't even heard that joint dog. That's crazy. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.800 No one knows that. I was like, Yo, how long 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.600 ages is? And you heard this record? This was after 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.240 it was written. This was after it was written, and 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.160 this is the fifty dollar Panta sonics. I ain't making 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:24.000 no noise. He's come on, ain't making no noise with it? Man, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.120 please get the money. Were walking through Vernon Boulevard and 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.800 obviously obviously uh it was marb Deep that was coming up. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.960 By the way, um the Prophecy tribute. We'll go right 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.840 to that. I remember they playing in a fifty dollar panastic. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.400 I remember I was like, damn, this nigga saying that 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.200 he's sucking a lady cop. And I had never knew 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.560 that people can say that. I was so scared. That 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:56.520 was like a nigga album before Nick albums. That's the truth, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.599 you know. I remember that song dog like, I think 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.280 Elios might have did that. So I didn't know what 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.400 to do with the song though. You know, that's that's 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.800 that's lost, lost, lost, that's like that's twenties something years ago. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.040 That's crazy, bro. And of course I shout at you 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.760 out because y'all was coming up and I've seen that 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.920 ship and I'm like, these dudes, these these are the 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.720 dudes right here. So it's like, so queen ship, you 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.960 know what I'm saying, seen them coming up, capone, noriega. 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.680 I knew it was gonna be on. Yeah, for sure. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.360 I ain't gonna lie to that change. That changed my 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.040 life because, um see, I know, I know you humble 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.080 and um and you don't realize that you're the greatest 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:41.120 m C of all times, the greatest mc all um. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.080 You could worry. I'm gonna be cocky for you. This 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.440 is this is where we're here for. Um. I want 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:47.960 to tell you. I want to get to gotta say 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:53.000 I'm happy to be here man, man, you know, yeah, 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.600 I just want to tell you what al Matock was, right. Um. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.200 It was a point in time caress kind of sucked 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:04.120 us up right clear. It was I was running through 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.080 spar Fit and I was running through Rager's Island. They 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:12.880 were saying, queens, it's bron snickers. They know I didn't 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:17.200 not like that. So it was one period. I'm sorry 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:18.840 cause I've never told you this. This is crazy. It's 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.880 one period that it changed the course of Queens m 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.920 and I don't know if you noticed, I'm sure you 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:31.840 know it. It was ill matic when when that's a fact. Listen, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.599 it was Queen's nickers blowing dudes every day. They had 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.480 to get it on because it was it was the 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.320 joke of the town at the time. It would say 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:43.360 Queen's you turned around here. But the ill Mattic came 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.800 out and was like, all right, you know what you're 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.720 talking about now, because that's how you you you you 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:52.480 described the picture of Queens and Queensbridge in a way 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.840 like Donald Gorman's to think about why people read books 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.919 in jail as they go to that place. So everybody 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.240 when ill Mattock came out, every body actually it's not 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.640 only just from Queen's braves, but they was from Queen's period. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:10.800 Do you know that I heard? Good looking? Though, look 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.240 your Careress story is like, uh, it's incredible. Care Arrest 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.480 is a leader, he's he's one of my favorite rappers ever. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.679 So when I first when I was putting out the Automatic, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.160 it was like almost two show care Arrest one. It 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.800 was almost that was part of my drive because I 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.920 had to because of what he had done, so I 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.200 had to. It was part of it. Was like, yo, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.400 look Caress were here, so you know, he's one of 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.200 my favorites ever. But never mind saying that it changed 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.360 the course of queens or whatever changed the course of 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.400 hip hop period, Like did you even imagine that you 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.120 would just change, like the evolution of hip hop, because it, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.360 to me, it changed. It was a new era in 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.640 hip hop when Thematic came out. Lyrically yeah, yeah, I 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.520 mean we had rock him and we had we had lyrics, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.440 but it just it felt different after Atmatic. I feel 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.880 you it was like I had represent It was like 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.520 like Norri said that the pressure was on the Borough 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.600 and my projects, so it was like and then just 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.640 getting in the game, you had to have something to say. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.800 So I definitely had to push it, push, push the 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.520 pen hard because it's not but it never flew and 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.240 people like me, I'm in Miami and I feel like 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.080 I was in Queensbridge listening to what I'm saying. It 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.760 was so vivid, appreciate. I'm not gonna lie to you. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.760 I think I could quote that album backwards. That's how 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.120 good I know that. I know I know the album 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.760 better than you. I promised to you, I can you. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.400 I can sumend your verses than because it meant it 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.719 meant so much more than me because we were in 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.360 we were in the pen now when it when it 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:39.880 came out, when I was in the p now, I 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.040 was locked with the Brooklyn guys. And it was Biggie 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.760 and it was it was a Buckshot. It was Buckshot 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:51.640 and and and I knew mind you. I have met 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:53.439 you through a Canelli, but I didn't know that was you. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.160 And then when you said when I was twelve, I 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.079 went to health of stuffing, Jesus, what was room with you? 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.440 Sack or waving automatic guns and nothing? Everybody ever? Did 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.599 everybody ever actually that question? When you were twelve? Me 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.760 went the health is nothing, Jesus. I was. I was 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.280 sick at um what was happening in the black community. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.959 And I felt like what was pushed on us uh 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:21.400 on a religious level, um was before my time. You know, 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.199 the Black church is powerful, definitely been there through the 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.959 Civil rights and all of that, and still powerful to 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.600 this day. But I was I didn't see it as 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.480 a black thing. I didn't see it as I saw 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.000 no ones coming to save us, you know, So I 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.360 just felt like it's me against the world. Had a 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:42.280 very rebellious spirit back then, like serious. So yeah, but 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.719 you know, I love Jesus. That's my man. That's my man. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.280 And it's also a rumor that's been looking around that 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.000 it was you and Acnelli together. What you mean, like 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.559 like when y'all went to the deal or is that 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.520 true or something like that? We used to go um 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.640 the Columbiada. You're talking abou No, not before that, being 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.760 accused to meet me at the last car on the 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.920 train and we're gonna go here, or I'm gonna come 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.400 pick you up and we're gonna go shop. These tapes 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.800 I Cannella used to get me like motivated to go 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.679 shop demos. He for somehow knew he knew where the 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.920 officers was, he knew who to go see, he knew 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.280 he made meetings with them, He booked meetings with like 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.800 like real people. The barbecue and all that after after 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.199 because I met him doing a lot of the barbecue. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.959 So he was like thinking like a businessman like he 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.160 was about it. I didn't. I was like, are we 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.840 really going to these going to these offices, like yeah, 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.960 yeah for sure. You know I joined the Taliban right now, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:57.559 you've seen them lately. Look, you know you're going crazy, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.880 pup don so. So I need to ask this question 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.760 because as a fan, this is a hip hop fan. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.959 No Wu Tang came and they destroyed ship, but it 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:14.120 was a skin on Ghost Face album. Yeah, goddamnit, dj J, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.480 what's what's rock? That's a skin? When they said a 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:28.480 big nas ship, Yeah, they said ship. Um it was um, 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.559 that was a talk. So that was a talk. I 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.719 just I couldn't believe he said it. So, um, it's 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:40.120 over the album cover right because Biggie because I had 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.800 a picture of young me on the cover, and then 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.520 Notorious b I g rest in Peace had a um 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.920 picture of a baby that was going to be him, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.440 supposed to be him. So of course people start comparing 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.920 because they was comparing us anyway. So then the album 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.839 cover came and it was like, oh, so Ghost said it. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:02.320 I said, Uh, it's straight blood sport out here. It's war. Absolutely. 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.839 When Ghost said that ship on um a raised tape, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.520 Oh that was crazy. That was crazy, man, because because 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.599 it was something after that I think puff Big called me. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.880 You've never heard this story? Now, Yeah, Big called me 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:25.679 and he's like, yo, fucking with the wound niggers. You 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.080 knew they said that ship. And he was like, Yo, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.800 that's how you feel away, bro, because me and him 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.160 was tight, so we you know. I was like, yo, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.000 I mean that's ghosts, ghost faces, ghost face, there's no 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.040 love loss. I didn't know he's gonna say this ship. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.240 And he was just he was a little disappointed because 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.240 he wasn't trying to bite off my ship. No, no, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.520 just just in general because he he wasn't coming at 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.280 it like that. Because if you listen to this album 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.960 he rapped from you tell the whole story and ship. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.640 So I never I didn't look I didn't look at 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.480 like like, I didn't look at it that. It was 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.360 just competition at that time. So at that time, I 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.959 was like, I was riding with that a little bit 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.559 because it was competition. So it was just one for me. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.520 Other than that, bust Of Rhymes had told me a 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.760 story because I bust Of called me all care bust 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.960 I forget Buster said, yo, tell nas about the one 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.600 time it was you him and method Man in the studio. 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.880 And Big was supposed to come up, and Big didn't 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.319 want to woke up flights, the stairs, the elevator. The 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.240 elevator was broken, and Big had a car accident, so 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.920 he had a cane and he's like, dude, he said, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.839 I love your niggers, but I ain't want to like 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.760 the stairs with this bro. His ship was broke. Something 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.319 was broke. He had a car accident. Yeah, that was 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.800 a crazy session. That was gonna be some ship. So 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.960 I didn't lea no verse. But the next day Big 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.560 came and and he did his ship. You know, that's 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.360 the only verse that Big when that pocket, Yes, the 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.000 double album, will the double album. He had some verses 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.800 for him, but you're right, that was the one when 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.719 he went right at him, right, Adam, you bust have 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.400 played me that verse. I was gonna bring her here, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.839 but I said I don't think I should. I was like, 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:17.200 I don't think I should. So that's that's so. Yeah, Okay, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:25.040 it comes a time after Illmatic right where it was written. Well, now, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:31.840 oh I like that. I like that. I like so 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:40.000 so it changed from the project kid to like, uh uh, Big, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.720 the big guy. I remember track master tone. We're asking 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.200 him so you'll track myster tone I want to do? 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:53.880 Um uh, what's what's this thing with Lorman? My toes said, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.640 I will never give you that record, I said, jess Us, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.080 and did you will see at lash from? Because you 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.720 you you? It was almost like you not like a backpacker. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:04.960 I don't want to say like a back poper. You 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.240 was like the king of the underground. And then as 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.920 you transition to it was written it was like, now 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.880 you're a boss. But as soon as you become a boss, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.800 people kind of you know what I'm saying. Did you 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.560 did you like see that? Like crossover? Yeah? Oh yeah, 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.280 big time, big time. When when we first put off 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.760 the record, it was a white label, so they didn't 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.400 know who was singing it, so they didn't know it 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.320 was her, So they're thinking, why is somebody singing on 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.600 this on your record? Bro? Like what's going on? And 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.920 I'm like, Dog, that's the that's Hohodini, the beat, that's Whodini, 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.720 that's something she's singing. Curtis bow Dog. This is this 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.520 is hip hop to me. Um, it sounds good for 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.960 radio too, but I'm just saying it's hip hop. So 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.680 this is what we This is what we're doing the 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.680 way the way the thing was changing. It was like 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.960 radio was opening up to us. Hot Night the seven 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.400 was now a thing, and that's opening up to us. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.480 So if we can have a record that the streets 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.440 is into but also has a appeal to go a 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.720 massive hill, to go massive massive, then you had to 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.480 do that. We had to do that to get to 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.920 the next level, because you know, that was just the 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.920 the challenge was to just you can't just be rapping. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.480 You gotta make records too. It's like keeping your authenticity 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.960 but still for sure. And then and then it's Lauren Hill, 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.680 you know what I'm saying, So not that I'm so good. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.080 Then it's Lauren Hill. So it's like but then of 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.320 course you know people wasn't ready for the transition. And 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.800 now and now you're on tour with Mary J. Blige, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:45.280 Nigga's out there out there's stepping on ship. Yeah there 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.440 doing it Like like is that what you're at in life? 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.560 Because you know we're here, we read all you know 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.520 the about the stock and everything you got is like 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:56.920 when you come out as there's things that you want 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.400 to do. You know what I'm saying, because I feel 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.600 like you wanted to do the tour, like I feel like, yeah, 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.160 there's a lot of things you can say no to. Yeah. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.200 We've been talking about it for a while. So after 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.360 New Year's I've seen her and we's all hanging out 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.760 and um, I said, Yo, do you want tour this? Yeah? 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.840 She was like, Yo, yeah, let's do it. So I 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.520 was like, wait, wait a time out. That's how y'all 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.840 said it. Y're just somewhere said it's easy. I heard 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:31.040 her up, I leave friends like you now let's make that. Yeah. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.760 Yeah called. I said, Yo, you want to do this tour? 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.399 She's like, let's do it. Let's do it, and she 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.240 was serious about it. So it was just a great time. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.720 And your first date was Miami. Yeah, West Palm, West 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:49.240 Palm and the show was crazy. Bro. Yeah yeah. Shout 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.480 out to Mary. She's she's honored to be on tour 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.920 with her man her from What's the four one one 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.760 for Gan Pouba. She's always been at hip hop queen, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.840 you know what I mean. So it's like queen of 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.560 pop soul, you know. So that's a sister. That's a sister. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.960 Before we move on, I want to say welcome on. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.520 My brother do was man, I miss you man. You know, um, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.280 you know, I'm welcome home. My brother got damn okay. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.560 But but when you said, when you said hip hop 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.200 is dead, how many like dms you got from the 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:28.320 young niggas? You know what I'm saying, Like it was 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.200 to kill me, man, because what you were saying was 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.320 explain to what you people you're saying it's dead. I 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.440 was just because we didn't have no control. And it's like, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.320 you know a lot of people took offense to it 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.080 that I didn't think it was gonna take offense. I'm 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.919 talking about, let's wake up and take control. As soon 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.760 as we put out a record, there's some political or 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.160 some religious or whoever leader in the community that's trying 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.200 to build a name off you and start to protest 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.439 your record. As soon as you try to build your 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:04.080 company or trying to be independent all the labels, you 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.359 run into trouble, you know. So it was it was 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.120 so many people in control of where this thing was going. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.880 And it's like I thought, we's had a great time 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.320 to turn this aroundt didn't control it basically, not like 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.240 not like what happened, not like what's going on today. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.160 You know what I'm saying. And also, you know, um, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.200 I probably thought a few a few people could have 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:33.159 stopped making records. I probably thought you couldn't even say 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:38.520 something about noise one time. That's not that's not hire. 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:43.240 I was dead. That's this was family ship. That's what's 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.119 mad about something. Stay here Because at the time when 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.960 you said that he was living in Atlanta, Yeah, out 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.560 of cribb in Atlanta, crib and McDonough, Georgia. Okay, but 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.960 that's who took an offense to it, right, man, Atlanta 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:00.960 took offense because because Little had a shirt that hip 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:06.080 Hop and Die lives in the South man. So I felt, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.560 you know, I did that, but they know, so I 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.760 felt like I felt like, damn, it's it's not really 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.480 I didn't get the point off right because the wrong people. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.680 I wasn't attacking Louda and my guys. No, no, it 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.840 wasn't the case. It was just like tell you true. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:29.159 I forgot why I said it. But essentially it was 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.879 so long ago. It's something pissed me off. Something pissed 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.679 me off. Essentially, the breakdancing, the graffiti that's what you mean, 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.440 right to breakdance and the graffiti culture. It was. It 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.560 was all of this stuff that even today, a lot 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.200 of people don't care about it, and I like to. 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:45.840 I like to care about it, Like I like what 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.480 you say about when the show starts, like give them 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.159 their roses while you could smell them. A lot of 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.240 people don't realize the great history here. That's that's that's 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.679 why we're trying to well, that's why we are building 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.200 a hip hop museum and the Bronx, you know what 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:07.560 I'm saying, because it should have been here, It should 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.159 have been should have been this way over due. We're 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.960 building one here because it'll be great. Because sometimes the 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.680 kids don't see why they shouldn't go far, go that 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.240 far back to to listen to some ship, you know, 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.440 but if you go back there, you might discover some 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.600 new ship that you could be doing. You know what 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.080 I'm saying. Like I looked at them old dudes, or 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.320 I don't want to call them old, but the pioneers, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.720 and I learned from them. I learned from them, and 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.639 so it's like it's important that the kids today know 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.200 how important they are to this whole thing too, you know. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.040 You know, one of the one of the one of 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.480 my favorite days of my life was. We was in 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.600 Massive Hill office and because I had thought Rock Kim 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.200 and Eric B was toring, idn't. I didn't know that 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.399 because I see rock Him, but I see Eric B 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.480 by itself. I didn't know that Eric being Rock Kim. 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.040 I hadn't been together so long. So he said to me, 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.560 you said your Nori, you want to go to the 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.280 Eric B and Rock Kim show. And I was like 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.600 leaving it up to me now, yeah, and then we 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.639 went there. So this is this is the favorite part 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.120 of my time, as as all the accolades you got 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.800 as much as you know, you can say, you the man. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.119 I saw you sit there and pay homage to Rock Him. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:17.879 It was the best day of my life. Bro. It 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.960 was best just to see you humble, you like like 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:22.960 you were sitting there. And then Rock Him started to 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.440 do like two or three records that I never heard of. 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.359 I thought I was the biggest Rock Him fan. And 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.880 I watched SNAs you knew every word I love. I said, 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.160 this is why I sneak as the king of hip hop? 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.680 Can you remember that day? That was a great day. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:43.800 That was a great day. I got my big change. 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.800 I just got my big change. The first day heavy. 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.440 So you're really a student of the game of hip hop. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.600 I love it. I think I am. Ok you too, though, 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:56.000 yes I am too. But now now my throat because 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.920