Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to All the Smoke, Day
Speaker 1: two in l A with a very special guest. Uh Man, Jack,
Speaker 1: I gotta give you the credit because you put me
Speaker 1: on the show and I love it. Man, one of
Speaker 1: the best shows on TV. Rest in peace, star brother
Speaker 1: John Singleton. But welcome to the showmen. Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen,
Speaker 1: like you giving that praise. Man, appreciate you, man, Thank
Speaker 1: you for coming in today. You know, yeah, let's get
Speaker 1: let's get that right. Let's get that right type room.
Speaker 1: That's name. First of all, congratulations. Snowfall has just picked
Speaker 1: up for season six. The Yard Father Father Jamon Jerome speaker. Man,
Speaker 1: how did I mean talk to us about that? It
Speaker 1: feels good man. You know, to know that this started
Speaker 1: with a vision from John Singleton. The rest of the
Speaker 1: producers effects of they forceed that relationship with us. You know,
Speaker 1: we started off slow. Everybody knows that, and we built
Speaker 1: up to where now we're one of the more popular
Speaker 1: shows on television. Show. So that's that means a lot
Speaker 1: to me. Six seasons means that we get to see
Speaker 1: a beginning middling into the story. So I'm just ecstatic
Speaker 1: to see how this all ends. You know, as the
Speaker 1: show continues to grow. Obviously, your character has continued to
Speaker 1: grow in a major way. Um, talk to us about
Speaker 1: that process. Get you some squad on nick put. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta squabble to get you to get your character development, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta squabble as a black man to get some
Speaker 1: character development. No, I'm just I'm just happy that the
Speaker 1: that the writers have chosen to keep me around as long.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about stuff that really affected our
Speaker 1: communities for really honestly, so, even though there's this part
Speaker 1: of me that's kind of fun and charismatic, part of
Speaker 1: it this is this is indicative of what we know
Speaker 1: from the neighborhoods that we come from. Um where you
Speaker 1: not promised tomorrow. So the fact that I'm still around,
Speaker 1: the fact that there's something about this character that still
Speaker 1: gives some sort of something to the story. Whether it's
Speaker 1: a poetic justice to it, we'll see, you know how
Speaker 1: how it ends with your own whether he you know,
Speaker 1: but more likely this is a tragedy. And as much
Speaker 1: as you feel the charisma and all of the things
Speaker 1: and you get connected to the character, there's also the
Speaker 1: price that's paid for the life that you live in. UM,
Speaker 1: so I always think about that and we'll we'll see
Speaker 1: how it ends. You know, have you guys started shooting
Speaker 1: season six yet we're not on season six to probably
Speaker 1: end up this fall. The one thing I love about
Speaker 1: your characters be speaking about it. I think it's easy
Speaker 1: for guys to come up and our different demographic to
Speaker 1: relate because it was always one guy that you knew
Speaker 1: it was actually putting in work, but he had a
Speaker 1: herder goal, you know what I'm saying. He cared about
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, He cared about the people to ride even
Speaker 1: though he was in that life, he still had the
Speaker 1: heart enough to know you know what he was doing,
Speaker 1: but cared about people and still gave game to the
Speaker 1: youth and that those guys and the neighbor who have
Speaker 1: more respect than anybody, than the mayor, than anybody growing
Speaker 1: up in those neighborhoods. So a lot of people can
Speaker 1: relate to to Uncle Jerome just from being from the
Speaker 1: areas we come from. Yeah, and I also think that
Speaker 1: like the character wasn't trying to make his nephew be him.
Speaker 1: He real lots. Sometimes sometimes if you really got to
Speaker 1: o G they know that, like Bro, you got a
Speaker 1: different path, like I just sent my nephew real life
Speaker 1: off to a college tour that he was able to
Speaker 1: go to like three four H b c U S like,
Speaker 1: that's a little different than you feel me, and we
Speaker 1: want to see people that have potentially be able to
Speaker 1: actualize that. So I feel like this uncle on't. He's like, look, nephew,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to do it like this, but now, wow,
Speaker 1: you show me that you can make money in a
Speaker 1: total different way. You flipped the game, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I got a little intoxicated with that. You know
Speaker 1: that he was able to be like, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: get off my sports squares and turn this into something else.
Speaker 1: So I think we always got to remember that part too,
Speaker 1: that that just because the o G is there, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you need to follow. Sometimes the o G
Speaker 1: is trying to give you a leg up on on
Speaker 1: on a whole different reality a lot of times, trying
Speaker 1: out to let you make them the same mistakes today. Mate,
Speaker 1: uh harlem. Yeah, let's talk about the bringing in hallm
Speaker 1: was that. I mean, come on, that's I'm a product
Speaker 1: of a hall of I grew up in the world
Speaker 1: famous Apollo Theater that was like my theater home. I
Speaker 1: worked there throughout some of youth, a little program in
Speaker 1: New York. I went to Rice High School y'all probably
Speaker 1: you know Rice from Phelippe Lopez MBA went there. Um,
Speaker 1: I wasn't shipping balled. Truthfully, what happened. What happened was
Speaker 1: I was you know, I was on that I was
Speaker 1: making jokes and ship because I couldn't get I couldn't
Speaker 1: get no playing time. So the coach at the time,
Speaker 1: I remember lou de Mello, the coach, he was like, um,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna make the team King, So you know,
Speaker 1: but there's the agent that I have that he works
Speaker 1: with sports athletes. Um so that was like my first
Speaker 1: foray into into entertainment. It was like going to sports auditions,
Speaker 1: basketball and you know, all type of sports. And at
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, you know, I booked a
Speaker 1: couple of old saw some money. I'm like, it's okay
Speaker 1: that I'm not on the team winning. In another way,
Speaker 1: maybe I could take this and expand on it and
Speaker 1: and learn the craft, because at the time I was
Speaker 1: just getting it based off of you know, you're a
Speaker 1: little precocious kid, you got a certain look or whatnot. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's how you know. That was kind of my
Speaker 1: growing up in Hallum. I started in the arts, the
Speaker 1: National Black Theater, Hall of I went to the neighborhoodood
Speaker 1: Playhouse down to nothing at you off, what age did
Speaker 1: you start finding all this? I started finding all of this.
Speaker 1: I mean I came up in plays and stuff and
Speaker 1: all throughout elementary and all that. But but yeah, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't a thing. It wasn't like you were supposed
Speaker 1: to do this, you know what I mean. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: commercial dude, I was. People would see me in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood be like, oh commercial dude. You know, like you
Speaker 1: concion you know you're commercial dude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't taking serious. It was like I but um,
Speaker 1: but you know, you're coming out of school and you're
Speaker 1: you're watching some of your people know exactly what they
Speaker 1: want to do. It's nothing like this for all young
Speaker 1: men and all women. It's nothing like finding what you
Speaker 1: your passion early. You know what I mean, because it
Speaker 1: gives you a loan. It gives you a long road
Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know what, I can fail.
Speaker 1: I can I can get successes, but I know where
Speaker 1: I'm going and I know what my intention is, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I kind of really early
Speaker 1: kind of realized like, Okay, that ain't ball, that ain't
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff. What could it be?
Speaker 1: And I like this, So can I put myself? Can
Speaker 1: I discipline myself? And can I really learn the craft?
Speaker 1: Because at the time I ain't learned the craft. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, like put me up for finding for us
Speaker 1: to put me up for like the biggest and best things.
Speaker 1: But I really didn't have the skills. So I had
Speaker 1: to go to school to get that skill. I went
Speaker 1: to Howard University. Like I said, I went to a
Speaker 1: lot of um theater homes in Harlem and also in
Speaker 1: Greater New York, you know what I mean, Like, like
Speaker 1: I said, neighborhood playhouse and stuff like that, learning mine
Speaker 1: and uh so that I could feel like, all right,
Speaker 1: I got a weapon. Now I'm a I'm a beast.
Speaker 1: Now now you gotta deal with it. And look, this
Speaker 1: is this is five years later that I'm able to
Speaker 1: show just a glimpse of what that is. You know, God,
Speaker 1: keep us good, keep the dan good. You know, black
Speaker 1: gonna crack. But there's a lot in here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this magnet is strong. Now it's a problem. It started
Speaker 1: way back there, so he said you didn't play well,
Speaker 1: It's gonna get deep here too. It's gonna get of
Speaker 1: those Yep, you gotta keep the ding strong. I want
Speaker 1: my young people to know that, like we could, we
Speaker 1: could focus on something for a long time and build
Speaker 1: a diamond out of that cold. You know that that
Speaker 1: that's what makes you know the journey? Sweet? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Able to We always talked about being
Speaker 1: able to joy the good and the bad time the
Speaker 1: same way you say you weren't good and hoop any
Speaker 1: other sports let you rock with. I played baseball. Speaking
Speaker 1: of baseball, I actually have a biopick that I want
Speaker 1: to talk about. Can we get into it now? I
Speaker 1: have a baseball bio pick. It's called The Royal. It's
Speaker 1: coming out. I'm actually being able to premier that. Um
Speaker 1: the show at I'm sorry the film at Howard University,
Speaker 1: which is my alma mater um, and it's about a
Speaker 1: baseball player about the name of Willie Mays aikens Um.
Speaker 1: He ended up going to the World Series and a
Speaker 1: few a few years afterwards, he actually ended up um
Speaker 1: getting the largest mandatory minimum drug sentence and for any
Speaker 1: professional sports player end up getting about twenty four years,
Speaker 1: which he was. He end up serving about twelve to
Speaker 1: fourteen years of that sentence because he had a crack
Speaker 1: cocaine um and really he was a user, but he
Speaker 1: cooked up something for undercover officer, ended up getting pinched
Speaker 1: and gotten the drag, honey and drug sentences that we saw,
Speaker 1: you know, happening throughout everybody about the US. UM. So
Speaker 1: the name of that film is The Royal. I play
Speaker 1: that character. That lead character, Willie Mays Aikins is also
Speaker 1: a film that I produced, and oh that's coming out
Speaker 1: this summer. Yes, nice, yeah, nice, Make sure make sure
Speaker 1: y'all go check out. I mean, since we're in the
Speaker 1: space now, you spoke on it. Um. You know, not
Speaker 1: only do you act, you have a passion for producing
Speaker 1: anything else you're working on right now. Yeah, I also
Speaker 1: have an amazing podcast series right now. UM's produced by
Speaker 1: Shonda Land. It's called Hashtag Matter. Just really pick up
Speaker 1: on a lot of stuff that you do, Jack, because
Speaker 1: it's about a father that his son ends up getting
Speaker 1: killed at a routine traffic stop and the when he
Speaker 1: gets stopped, the officers end up killing the son, and
Speaker 1: in the officer mistakenly kills his own partner as well. Well.
Speaker 1: The father that I played, Gerald Hayes ends up kidnapping
Speaker 1: the officer on the scene, put the put the hammers
Speaker 1: on them, put the squabbles on them, and ends up
Speaker 1: taking him inside um a sports lounge, and he video
Speaker 1: records this whole interaction on his cell phone, goes live
Speaker 1: and he basically tells the public that he's gonna try
Speaker 1: that officer in real time. It's called hashtag Matter, like
Speaker 1: I said, It's produced by by Shonda Land. You can
Speaker 1: find it on my Heart radio wherever you um, wherever
Speaker 1: you listen to your podcast so that's Apple or you
Speaker 1: know anything Spotify whatnot. But um, it's an eight part series.
Speaker 1: When I talk about electrifying and you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of these things we went through, and as you know,
Speaker 1: people get a little like, okay, I've done with I'm
Speaker 1: we dealt with UM. You know, police violence, We've with UM,
Speaker 1: the iniquity that happens in the country. You don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with it right now. I understand that. But
Speaker 1: as we know, as long as if you don't keep
Speaker 1: that conversation going it's gonna die and we don't learn
Speaker 1: the lessons and we repeat the same things over and over.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would employ everybody to check out hashtag mat.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that particular pieces as well produced.
Speaker 1: And there's no way you can't, you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you're scared to have this conversation out loud, maybe
Speaker 1: it's something that you can listen to it into your car.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can hear different perspectives and it and it
Speaker 1: shows everyone's perspective. It shows the police officers, it shows
Speaker 1: the press, it shows the family members involved. It shows
Speaker 1: the young man, a little young, precocious young man that
Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of talent and the future and
Speaker 1: his life snuffed out. It shows his point of view.
Speaker 1: It shows everyone's point of view. Beautiful HBCU, come over,
Speaker 1: you graduated Howard University. You speak highly about HBCUs. We
Speaker 1: see what Dion is doing at HBC using sports. We
Speaker 1: see where more Williams just got a head coaching job
Speaker 1: of Jackson State as well. Um, let's talk about your
Speaker 1: passion and and how and how you feel about HBCUs.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send a young man or the young woman
Speaker 1: to an HBCU. You know, I'm not gonna lie and
Speaker 1: act like if the kid doesn't if the kid gets
Speaker 1: in the Ivy League school, that we're not going to
Speaker 1: take advantage of some of the of just that act
Speaker 1: that type of access. But I feel like sometimes like
Speaker 1: I knew coming up where I was coming up in
Speaker 1: hall of I knew like college wasn't for everybody. College
Speaker 1: wasn't for everyone, And it wasn't about how smart somebody was,
Speaker 1: you know, but it just didn't fit the lifestyle. It
Speaker 1: just didn't fit that person. That's that spirit, honestly. Um.
Speaker 1: But for me, when you go to HBCU, not only
Speaker 1: are you educated, you also in almost infected with a
Speaker 1: knowledge of yourself. You see a faculty that looks like you.
Speaker 1: You see even if you grew up with other mother
Speaker 1: or without a father, You see people that are nourishing
Speaker 1: and supporting their children that can be surrogates to you.
Speaker 1: So you pick up a big brother, you pick up
Speaker 1: a father figure, you pick up another mother figure to
Speaker 1: help some of the broken homes that we've come from,
Speaker 1: in communities that we've come from, so that then you
Speaker 1: can put that same that same pupil back into a
Speaker 1: community that's whole, and now they have a network of
Speaker 1: people that were you know, so don't get it t usted.
Speaker 1: I understand a lot of politics that go on with
Speaker 1: h B c U S. And I understand that a
Speaker 1: lot of people can be um, can be hesitant to
Speaker 1: and their children there, or can look at the business
Speaker 1: model of it. Understand all of that, but for what
Speaker 1: it was intended to be and what it still is
Speaker 1: because people like myself come out of it and can
Speaker 1: give back and create a community of people, I think
Speaker 1: it's still important. What is the knock us? Because I
Speaker 1: don't I don't talk about the knock think, don't even
Speaker 1: give it. I but on the outside looking at it,
Speaker 1: I can't see one because just like Deans said, we
Speaker 1: offer the same thing any other school could offer. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be coached by Dion saying that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But he's saying that
Speaker 1: what's the knock on us? We offer everything else. There
Speaker 1: is no knock. It's just that, let's just be real.
Speaker 1: There's been a hierarchy that's been there's been you know,
Speaker 1: and and we've always been dominant. It's just the talent
Speaker 1: has left. So if the talent goes there, then the
Speaker 1: facilities get better. That's what Deon is bringing bringing. Deon's
Speaker 1: bringing way more than just his name. He's bringing resources,
Speaker 1: He's bringing eyeballs, He's bringing accountability. He's going that these
Speaker 1: kids deserve as much. They deserve the same type of training,
Speaker 1: they deserve the same everything you know across the board
Speaker 1: and um and watch it flourish. Watch it flourish, and
Speaker 1: other places will will take note and take heed as well.
Speaker 1: What makes Howard homecoming one of the most premium events.
Speaker 1: I've never been but you've never been to home coming
Speaker 1: and we want to start talking. Want to take all
Speaker 1: the stuff to definitely need to take home coming tour.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose myself. That's fine. I know ahead of time, Jack,
Speaker 1: I don't need you to lose yourself. I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to listen. I'm trying not to shill. Jack gonna be
Speaker 1: in the yard like I just I go ahead. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is home coming first of all HBCU
Speaker 1: homecomings period because I feel like my Hogward gets gets
Speaker 1: to love because it's one of the bigger HBCUs. But man,
Speaker 1: I haven't been a homecomings as some of the smaller schools.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing. A lot of the smaller HBCUs
Speaker 1: that's what makes up the historical Black colleges. So when
Speaker 1: we focus on the ones that we know like the
Speaker 1: Spellman's or the more Houses, the Hamptons, the Howard Universities, UM,
Speaker 1: we we must not forget that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of other schools that make up the historical Black colleges.
Speaker 1: That makes up that network of a premier type of
Speaker 1: of um college experience for black people. I put every
Speaker 1: I put the smallest from when it was Lincoln's to
Speaker 1: to my Jackson's. You don't want to go into it,
Speaker 1: you know. But what I'm saying is each historical Black
Speaker 1: college matters, you know. So we can get into like,
Speaker 1: oh and now I went to this one. I went
Speaker 1: to a small one or a big one. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's the network of those
Speaker 1: schools because we got to remember through history, these were
Speaker 1: places that people could go into these regions, in these
Speaker 1: different regions. There's historical Black colleges here in California, in
Speaker 1: l A. People don't even know, you know, So we
Speaker 1: just got to be cognizant of that. It's not just
Speaker 1: these bigger ones that we've always heard of, you know,
Speaker 1: So as much as I'm gonna give love to Howard
Speaker 1: with you know, the home coming at Howard, Yeah, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's gonna you're gonna have a good time. Yes, I
Speaker 1: believe all the smoke definitely needs to be at Howard
Speaker 1: on Howard y'ard um come on and Mecca. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to send love to to all the of
Speaker 1: all of those two. Yeah. But since we're talking about
Speaker 1: what makes it, what makes Howard do Mecca, It's probably
Speaker 1: starts with d C Bro, d C DC different. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we know. I'm from New York, Yo. D C took
Speaker 1: it took me a minute. I was like, I thought
Speaker 1: I was going over, Like Nah, you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: feel this, You're gonna sit down onto this. This DC.
Speaker 1: This ain't New York Bro. This is different. And d
Speaker 1: C has its own culture, has its own music, its
Speaker 1: own vibe, its own and Howard is a part of
Speaker 1: d C. You don't get Howard without getting DC first.
Speaker 1: Come get come get this culture of d C. Come
Speaker 1: get these black people that represent a district that can't
Speaker 1: vote nationally. It's a lot of a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of legacy, a lot of power, a lot of
Speaker 1: disenfranchised voices in d C. It's funny I look at
Speaker 1: the U that January six right insurrection, whatever, but I
Speaker 1: never see that juxtaposed to what's going on really in
Speaker 1: d C, Like, how do people feel the real people
Speaker 1: that make up DC the Chocolate City. I saw a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people whiling out, But was my people
Speaker 1: willing or was they like all the people that were employed,
Speaker 1: whether it's DC Police or Capitol Police or you know
Speaker 1: anybody that you know, contractors, whatever, how are they feeling
Speaker 1: during that time? Did we get that on camera? We
Speaker 1: got they we got they pressed? Uh no, right, we
Speaker 1: hear nothing from that. All those are people that lived there, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's still a lot of iniquity going on.
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of misrepresentation going on. And like
Speaker 1: I said, when I moved to d C, I realized that, Wow,
Speaker 1: here's a different culture, and I need to learn this
Speaker 1: culture and appreciate it. And Howard is a part of
Speaker 1: this car and and that was a great experience. Our
Speaker 1: home coming. You're coming, said how Warld home comes with
Speaker 1: my man Capone drumming. I ain't gonna finish it, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I'm going my way. What
Speaker 1: was You're kind of entry into the real world of acting? Uh,
Speaker 1: the real world? That's interesting if you say the real
Speaker 1: world of acting. I'm gonna take something that ain't got
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the real world, you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm gonna take how you learn. I did
Speaker 1: a non union film maybe in coming all right, out
Speaker 1: of college, I did a non union film that the
Speaker 1: director told me as boxers versus gangsters. It's like all
Speaker 1: I used to amateur box at the time. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool. One of my man's Joe Super, hooked
Speaker 1: me up hall M. Dude. Right, It's like, Yo, we
Speaker 1: got this dude, a young kid, he from n y U.
Speaker 1: He got a bag from Hollywood to make a movie
Speaker 1: in HALLM boxers versus gangsters. All Right, I'm game, right man?
Speaker 1: When I talk about like steal in shots in New
Speaker 1: York City in HALLM, that's crazy. So I could mention,
Speaker 1: you know, the first Whoop, the Whoop movie that I
Speaker 1: did that had star names in it, and but that
Speaker 1: was the first that was the genesis of Wow, you
Speaker 1: could have a you can have an outlook of being
Speaker 1: able to make a movie. I still feel like we
Speaker 1: are under appreciated for the type of films that we make.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm I'm blessed to be in Snowfall
Speaker 1: where it's a heightened um narrative of the films that
Speaker 1: we love, the entertainment that we love that a wider
Speaker 1: audience can accept. But there's still the stuff that we
Speaker 1: love that isn't accepted. It's undervalued and can be made
Speaker 1: in the hood near you, and it don't need no names.
Speaker 1: Dames was just on here in prestess. He knows literally
Speaker 1: just broke. When we have athletes on, we normally asked
Speaker 1: what you're welcome to the NBA NFL moment? What was
Speaker 1: your welcome to? So we got your intro right there
Speaker 1: with the acting, what was your welcome to kind of Hollywood?
Speaker 1: Uh moment you feel like welcome to Hollywood moment? Probably
Speaker 1: the movie that Expendables I did with us in Us
Speaker 1: to stallone and and Terry Crews was was was a
Speaker 1: big help for me. So let me see a lot
Speaker 1: of things that I'm actualizing right now. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it has Wartzenega. You know Dorf, Loundering, Mickey Roy, Jason Stathum,
Speaker 1: and it's just packed. And I was able to work
Speaker 1: with them and be a villain against them, and that
Speaker 1: gave that definitely put a battery in my back to
Speaker 1: recognize that, yo, I could, I can own my space. Um.
Speaker 1: It definitely was a coming out for me um as
Speaker 1: far as knowing that this is where I belong and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end up doing huge films and you know,
Speaker 1: whether I want to play the villain of the protagonists
Speaker 1: or whether I wanted it to be loving or whether
Speaker 1: I wanted to be insidious, you know that I can
Speaker 1: play those different beats and have fun doing it and
Speaker 1: work with other professionals and learn, um, you know, really important.
Speaker 1: Were there any I guess you could say earlier, but
Speaker 1: really just in general, have there been any actors or
Speaker 1: actress as you were kind of in awe of when
Speaker 1: you got a chance to either meet with them or
Speaker 1: work with them mm hmm or all of when I
Speaker 1: work with them, I met them. Let's make this real
Speaker 1: clear too, Actors, actresses, any anyone that has done anything
Speaker 1: of importance. I think it's really important that we reach
Speaker 1: back to the people that are coming up, um, anyone
Speaker 1: that reaches out to you. We can't get in touch
Speaker 1: with everybody that reaches out. But when we do have
Speaker 1: that impactful moment, that we don't blow them off, that
Speaker 1: we don't um make them feel less than that, we
Speaker 1: don't make it seem harder than it is. We already
Speaker 1: know it's hard. They know it's hard when it came
Speaker 1: up to you. It's hard enough coming up to you
Speaker 1: to talk to you. So for me, there's a circle
Speaker 1: of truth around my head to make sure that, UM,
Speaker 1: that I always give something, you know, give give my real,
Speaker 1: true life experience to someone in a little moment. We
Speaker 1: can do that. That's what we've been doing our whole lives.
Speaker 1: You feel me. It takes a little longer. Sometimes people
Speaker 1: come up a little more rude than others, but we
Speaker 1: get that. UM. So I'm answering that question saying that
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I've never walked really on a
Speaker 1: set and been like, oh, I'm ah, now I came
Speaker 1: here to to get bodies. But it helps when the
Speaker 1: people that you meet are open and and if you're
Speaker 1: willing to learn, they're willing to teach. And if you're
Speaker 1: willing to teach they're willing to learn, it really helps.
Speaker 1: So I'll say that you worked on big films and
Speaker 1: in movies and projects and in different types of people.
Speaker 1: But what particularly made John Singleton in your eyes different,
Speaker 1: that's a big bro. He was always enchanted with the
Speaker 1: filmmaking process. That's one of the first things when I
Speaker 1: say enchanted, like like the wizard, like like he good. Um.
Speaker 1: I even til now say like I could never tell
Speaker 1: you what John really thought about something, because every time
Speaker 1: I asked him about something, his answer would be so
Speaker 1: all from what I asked them. It would be like
Speaker 1: like I'd be like, oh, that's what you think, Okay,
Speaker 1: Damn I didn't think that. But he was such a
Speaker 1: renaissance man. He was such a ahead of his time,
Speaker 1: and he was um. He was infatuated with the filmmaking process.
Speaker 1: He was he was uh inspired by seeing creatives by
Speaker 1: you know, like um collaborating with creators. He was he
Speaker 1: was so inspired by by seeing you reach your full potential.
Speaker 1: It was a talent hale. He loved talented people, you know.
Speaker 1: He loved to collaborate and entertain and to break down
Speaker 1: script and story and it was beautiful to see that.
Speaker 1: Um and to work with him for three years like that,
Speaker 1: you know, And and I really do miss him. I
Speaker 1: missed his point of view. I missed the charisma. I
Speaker 1: missed the family atmosphere that he gave. I missed that,
Speaker 1: you know, I missed that. You know, he has a
Speaker 1: son that big shout off the young little seven that
Speaker 1: just had a birthday. Um, you know my daughter. He
Speaker 1: had a son a few weeks before I had my
Speaker 1: first daughter, And I remember going shortly before he died,
Speaker 1: because he died around the time that my daughter was
Speaker 1: having her birthday and his son had just had his birthday.
Speaker 1: So we went to the party and all that and
Speaker 1: the way that he loved his children. Um. John Singleton
Speaker 1: cannot be commemorated enough period. He is an institution. He's
Speaker 1: a foundation of telling our stories unapologetically. Let's never forget that.
Speaker 1: And that's my big bro. We got It says a lot.
Speaker 1: It's about him. For for y'all to be able to
Speaker 1: continue on with the show and make the show what
Speaker 1: it is without him being here, that says a lot
Speaker 1: to what the person he was that everybody still cares
Speaker 1: enough to make this show in to steve to see
Speaker 1: his vision and continue it on. You know after he's gone.
Speaker 1: That says a lot about y'all too. Definitely being from Harlem,
Speaker 1: who how did you prepare to be a o g
Speaker 1: to be up in South Central just a whole another coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, now, some you have some practice off what
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you for giving me my thing? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because the uncle. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like listen, I feel like I don't care if you're
Speaker 1: from Memphis, you're from Nashville, you're from Birmingham, from Detroit,
Speaker 1: you're from halland you're from the Bronx, you're from Watts
Speaker 1: wherever you from, Eve from Gary. Let's get deep. Let's
Speaker 1: go man. This America being some ship and time, there
Speaker 1: are all these these rebels, these people that didn't fit
Speaker 1: in these uncs. There wasn't gonna take no ship that
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna suffer this either. Like I'm gonna excuse my language,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck, I'm gonna sin, I'm gonna live my
Speaker 1: life unapologetically, on my level, whatever my fucking education is.
Speaker 1: But don't get it twisted. I'm smarter than the most
Speaker 1: of them. I'm gone, I'm unc mm hmm. I might
Speaker 1: have done some time, I might have figured some things out.
Speaker 1: I might know the important things to me, my woman
Speaker 1: mm hmm, my community. And when I say community, I
Speaker 1: mean motherfucker's I fun my family. That ship universal to us.
Speaker 1: Without knowing your last name m hm, given last name,
Speaker 1: we know that. So the rest is why you paid
Speaker 1: me the money. You know, it's because I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that. I'm I'm gonna give you the
Speaker 1: region now, I'm gonna make it south central, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make it whatever region. I'm gonna put whatever on it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the sauce of season. And but but
Speaker 1: that's the core, the core I had because that was
Speaker 1: given to me from the experience that I lived. And
Speaker 1: to be able to give that to an audience that
Speaker 1: I no, that feels good, That feels good because some
Speaker 1: of that stuff was just pain. Some of that stuff
Speaker 1: was just pain. So to be able to transmute that
Speaker 1: and be able to be like, no, I can give
Speaker 1: that as art. I can give that as entertain ament.
Speaker 1: That feels good. You know. Yeah, stop to say we
Speaker 1: in that time in the eight is, how is it?
Speaker 1: How important are the people around like the people that
Speaker 1: get the wardrobes and all, and in the scenery like
Speaker 1: scenery too back to the eighties, Like how how important
Speaker 1: to those people? You got the curl, you know, just
Speaker 1: the whole outfits, the jacket they had you with, the
Speaker 1: speaker that, yeah, all that your hold on ship? Excuse me,
Speaker 1: I ain't no putting a brak on that? Well, I say, hold, look, hold, look,
Speaker 1: it's not happening right now? Is it that happened right now?
Speaker 1: Is it? I didn't know? I feels uh, I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew it. I knew it. I'll be sucking with them,
Speaker 1: goddamn acting niggers. Whatever wrong to roll? You know, you
Speaker 1: need a little bit of this ship and ship he's here? Now,
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? Ain't that much? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Y'all? Say, y'all up in the smoke? Who
Speaker 1: won't smoke all the smoke? You want all smoke? All
Speaker 1: the smoke got cracked? Got creep with which one smoke?
Speaker 1: We don't talk about that on camera. Okay, we're talking that.
Speaker 1: I do you do? Well, let's talk about let's talk
Speaker 1: about Franklin who nephew, nephew, real quick. When we talk
Speaker 1: about Franklin, we had Dean Sanders, and he said this
Speaker 1: curl was look wet, but it was dry. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: just a dry what's your ship? What you talking about?
Speaker 1: Your ship? Look dry? Talking about my ship? Little dry?
Speaker 1: You want we can start this ship up, not that ship,
Speaker 1: quick hitters. Yeah, you mean we're talking a wrong Wayne talking.
Speaker 1: You know what we're talking about. We're talking to wrong.
Speaker 1: Dream co star in a movie and director for drone
Speaker 1: not ain't got it? Say it again, dream coach someone
Speaker 1: you would like to work with as an actor, actress
Speaker 1: or and God damn ma, God want that. God damn mom.
Speaker 1: Pam grim Box Brown, That Pam Grimm. I think she
Speaker 1: fun with a nigger like me. Yeah, no question, Yeah
Speaker 1: she's like she's like real Pam grab y'all. Damn. Let
Speaker 1: me talk directly to your heart. My fucking face hurts.
Speaker 1: Talk directly to you. Let me talk directly to you.
Speaker 1: You need a man like me. Now, I got a
Speaker 1: woman when we come into it's a package deal. Me
Speaker 1: and my old lady take anything that you need to
Speaker 1: be thinking. Louis like, we don't like women. No more
Speaker 1: about to St. Louis. That's what she Loui, You Louis Pam.
Speaker 1: That's nice. You're lucky man. Wait wait a caman, that's
Speaker 1: your singer right there. You're looking in her eyes right now.
Speaker 1: That was so damn good. Send that. How are you
Speaker 1: doing that? Cut y'all? Cut the ship? Yeah, pack that up.
Speaker 1: What's your own? Top five? Top five movies of all time? Chelf,
Speaker 1: car wash, car wash, mac hey, that's it, Nick, rest
Speaker 1: in peace. Mac Julian. He just passed recently. Oh, penitentiary,
Speaker 1: oh man, midnight one of two? Yeah, five penatentiary midnight
Speaker 1: thu yeah, midnight thub ship penitential. That was it? Come
Speaker 1: on too sweet? Too sweet? Oh yeah, that's good. Ship
Speaker 1: refulled you too, if you need it. Top five New
Speaker 1: York New York athletes of all times. Huh, we'll go
Speaker 1: with what conpration m that's stress him and the Earl
Speaker 1: of the Pearl. Last time. We gotta goddamn championship. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let me get huh, let me get with that.
Speaker 1: Little Opie boy, little Obie boy on the Giants be
Speaker 1: winning the championship. That motherfucker wins some ship. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they got him. That motherfucker got damn football
Speaker 1: ship doing like that. Mother touch down Tom Brady krypton
Speaker 1: Nite that mom him let me get uh can't win nothing,
Speaker 1: but I like it. I like a passion the Trump freeway.
Speaker 1: That's mother fucker. Yeah, slap shot out of the coach,
Speaker 1: slapped the ship out of the Put me in the game, coach.
Speaker 1: That's put me in the game. Yeah, put me in
Speaker 1: the game, coach. I like him. Patrick Ewing fucking Knees,
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing Knees put that in there, and he was.
Speaker 1: He was a hell of a center bad knees. One
Speaker 1: quite type ship. One quote to live by. I know
Speaker 1: one that you that you really stand on, though, and
Speaker 1: it might not be the quote you live by, but
Speaker 1: I know when you stand on and I get to you,
Speaker 1: come on, get you some squamp Come on, Jack, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to work better on that. Now, Dragons, I'll
Speaker 1: try that again. Now, I ain't say it like that.
Speaker 1: Come on, now, it's goddamn acting class. Now all right
Speaker 1: here we go. M hmm, come on, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm the motherfucker Tray say he needs these keys.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what trade sake, but get
Speaker 1: you some squamp on Nickla casting. I saw some of
Speaker 1: that talents brawl in and there saw something that real ship.
Speaker 1: She got real for him. Ant. Yeah, that's the moment
Speaker 1: I was. I wanted the show. I've been telling him
Speaker 1: where I was. I'm glad you came and that's the
Speaker 1: moment I wanted. Thanks for giving me that moment, my brother.
Speaker 1: I love y'all. Man, appreciate you know what it appreciate
Speaker 1: that man closer out with the last question, Jack, if
Speaker 1: you can have one guest on All the Smoke, O G. Jerome,
Speaker 1: who would it be? But before you answer that question,
Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show. Goddamn, Hey,
Speaker 1: uncle wouldn't be here without this, goddamn nephew. Ain't nothing
Speaker 1: come on, old goddamn Oh yes, sir, yes, sir, we
Speaker 1: need you before we get you out of here, we
Speaker 1: got something for you. I can't not let you leave
Speaker 1: without having you with some All the Smoke, gil my brother,
Speaker 1: just some merch. That's at least we can do the show.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for having you on. O G. You
Speaker 1: got a lot going on. I know, I know you
Speaker 1: and Louis still trying to work this plug thing. I
Speaker 1: would read. So just the fact that you took the
Speaker 1: time out to get off the streets and come in
Speaker 1: and give us an interview. We highly appreciate it. Ain't
Speaker 1: no goddamn dreaming of me right here, got new cameras
Speaker 1: and when that ship we gotta talund right now. Good,
Speaker 1: I said, we got a talent there too. So you
Speaker 1: don't drip up the collar of the sweatshirt. So you
Speaker 1: mean and you get on stage, we goddamn jump suits
Speaker 1: on it and be good. You don't like it, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be all right, that's crazy. That's a new ship.
Speaker 1: Hey man, congratulations on season six. Again. We appreciate your
Speaker 1: time today here. Uh man, that's a wrap. You can
Speaker 1: catch all the smoke on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the
Speaker 1: Heart platform Black Effects. That's your solo taking side. What
Speaker 1: you got ended on the camera, ended on the camera. Jack,
Speaker 1: put that ship on. Jack. I've been waiting for you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mr Sun goddamner player. We're gonna get the plug or else.
Speaker 1: Fun with Louis talking about let's go