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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to All the Smoke, Day

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Speaker 1: two in l A with a very special guest. Uh Man, Jack,

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Speaker 1: I gotta give you the credit because you put me

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Speaker 1: on the show and I love it. Man, one of

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Speaker 1: the best shows on TV. Rest in peace, star brother

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Speaker 1: John Singleton. But welcome to the showmen. Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen,

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Speaker 1: like you giving that praise. Man, appreciate you, man, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming in today. You know, yeah, let's get

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Speaker 1: let's get that right. Let's get that right type room.

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Speaker 1: That's name. First of all, congratulations. Snowfall has just picked

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Speaker 1: up for season six. The Yard Father Father Jamon Jerome speaker. Man,

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Speaker 1: how did I mean talk to us about that? It

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Speaker 1: feels good man. You know, to know that this started

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Speaker 1: with a vision from John Singleton. The rest of the

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Speaker 1: producers effects of they forceed that relationship with us. You know,

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Speaker 1: we started off slow. Everybody knows that, and we built

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Speaker 1: up to where now we're one of the more popular

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Speaker 1: shows on television. Show. So that's that means a lot

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Speaker 1: to me. Six seasons means that we get to see

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Speaker 1: a beginning middling into the story. So I'm just ecstatic

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Speaker 1: to see how this all ends. You know, as the

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Speaker 1: show continues to grow. Obviously, your character has continued to

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Speaker 1: grow in a major way. Um, talk to us about

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Speaker 1: that process. Get you some squad on nick put. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta squabble to get you to get your character development, right,

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Speaker 1: you gotta squabble as a black man to get some

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Speaker 1: character development. No, I'm just I'm just happy that the

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Speaker 1: that the writers have chosen to keep me around as long.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about stuff that really affected our

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Speaker 1: communities for really honestly, so, even though there's this part

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Speaker 1: of me that's kind of fun and charismatic, part of

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Speaker 1: not promised tomorrow. So the fact that I'm still around,

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Speaker 1: the fact that there's something about this character that still

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Speaker 1: gives some sort of something to the story. Whether it's

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Speaker 1: a poetic justice to it, we'll see, you know how

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Speaker 1: how it ends with your own whether he you know,

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Speaker 1: but more likely this is a tragedy. And as much

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Speaker 1: as you feel the charisma and all of the things

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Speaker 1: and you get connected to the character, there's also the

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Speaker 1: price that's paid for the life that you live in. UM,

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Speaker 1: so I always think about that and we'll we'll see

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Speaker 1: how it ends. You know, have you guys started shooting

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Speaker 1: season six yet we're not on season six to probably

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Speaker 1: end up this fall. The one thing I love about

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Speaker 1: we dealt with UM. You know, police violence, We've with UM,

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Speaker 1: of truth around my head to make sure that, UM,

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00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: that I always give something, you know, give give my real,

426
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: true life experience to someone in a little moment. We

427
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: can do that. That's what we've been doing our whole lives.

428
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: You feel me. It takes a little longer. Sometimes people

429
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: come up a little more rude than others, but we

430
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: get that. UM. So I'm answering that question saying that

431
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I've never walked really on a

432
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: set and been like, oh, I'm ah, now I came

433
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: here to to get bodies. But it helps when the

434
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: people that you meet are open and and if you're

435
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: willing to learn, they're willing to teach. And if you're

436
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: willing to teach they're willing to learn, it really helps.

437
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: So I'll say that you worked on big films and

438
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: in movies and projects and in different types of people.

439
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: But what particularly made John Singleton in your eyes different,

440
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: that's a big bro. He was always enchanted with the

441
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: filmmaking process. That's one of the first things when I

442
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: say enchanted, like like the wizard, like like he good. Um.

443
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: I even til now say like I could never tell

444
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: you what John really thought about something, because every time

445
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: I asked him about something, his answer would be so

446
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: all from what I asked them. It would be like

447
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: like I'd be like, oh, that's what you think, Okay,

448
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: Damn I didn't think that. But he was such a

449
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: renaissance man. He was such a ahead of his time,

450
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: and he was um. He was infatuated with the filmmaking process.

451
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: He was he was uh inspired by seeing creatives by

452
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, like um collaborating with creators. He was he

453
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: was so inspired by by seeing you reach your full potential.

454
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: It was a talent hale. He loved talented people, you know.

455
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: He loved to collaborate and entertain and to break down

456
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: script and story and it was beautiful to see that.

457
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Um and to work with him for three years like that,

458
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, And and I really do miss him. I

459
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: missed his point of view. I missed the charisma. I

460
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: missed the family atmosphere that he gave. I missed that,

461
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, I missed that. You know, he has a

462
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: son that big shout off the young little seven that

463
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: just had a birthday. Um, you know my daughter. He

464
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: had a son a few weeks before I had my

465
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: first daughter, And I remember going shortly before he died,

466
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: because he died around the time that my daughter was

467
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: having her birthday and his son had just had his birthday.

468
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: So we went to the party and all that and

469
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: the way that he loved his children. Um. John Singleton

470
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: cannot be commemorated enough period. He is an institution. He's

471
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: a foundation of telling our stories unapologetically. Let's never forget that.

472
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: And that's my big bro. We got It says a lot.

473
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: It's about him. For for y'all to be able to

474
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: continue on with the show and make the show what

475
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: it is without him being here, that says a lot

476
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: to what the person he was that everybody still cares

477
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: enough to make this show in to steve to see

478
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: his vision and continue it on. You know after he's gone.

479
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: That says a lot about y'all too. Definitely being from Harlem,

480
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: who how did you prepare to be a o g

481
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: to be up in South Central just a whole another coach. Yeah,

482
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: come on, now, some you have some practice off what

483
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you for giving me my thing? You

484
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because the uncle. Yeah, I feel

485
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: like listen, I feel like I don't care if you're

486
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: from Memphis, you're from Nashville, you're from Birmingham, from Detroit,

487
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: you're from halland you're from the Bronx, you're from Watts

488
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: wherever you from, Eve from Gary. Let's get deep. Let's

489
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: go man. This America being some ship and time, there

490
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: are all these these rebels, these people that didn't fit

491
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: in these uncs. There wasn't gonna take no ship that

492
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna suffer this either. Like I'm gonna excuse my language,

493
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck, I'm gonna sin, I'm gonna live my

494
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: life unapologetically, on my level, whatever my fucking education is.

495
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: But don't get it twisted. I'm smarter than the most

496
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: of them. I'm gone, I'm unc mm hmm. I might

497
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: have done some time, I might have figured some things out.

498
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I might know the important things to me, my woman

499
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: mm hmm, my community. And when I say community, I

500
00:31:53,320 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: mean motherfucker's I fun my family. That ship universal to us.

501
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: Without knowing your last name m hm, given last name,

502
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: we know that. So the rest is why you paid

503
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: me the money. You know, it's because I'm gonna do that.

504
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that. I'm I'm gonna give you the

505
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: region now, I'm gonna make it south central, I'm gonna

506
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: make it whatever region. I'm gonna put whatever on it.

507
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the sauce of season. And but but

508
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: that's the core, the core I had because that was

509
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: given to me from the experience that I lived. And

510
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: to be able to give that to an audience that

511
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: I no, that feels good, That feels good because some

512
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: of that stuff was just pain. Some of that stuff

513
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: was just pain. So to be able to transmute that

514
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: and be able to be like, no, I can give

515
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: that as art. I can give that as entertain ament.

516
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: That feels good. You know. Yeah, stop to say we

517
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: in that time in the eight is, how is it?

518
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: How important are the people around like the people that

519
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: get the wardrobes and all, and in the scenery like

520
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: scenery too back to the eighties, Like how how important

521
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: to those people? You got the curl, you know, just

522
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: the whole outfits, the jacket they had you with, the

523
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: speaker that, yeah, all that your hold on ship? Excuse me,

524
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I ain't no putting a brak on that? Well, I say, hold, look, hold, look,

525
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: it's not happening right now? Is it that happened right now?

526
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: Is it? I didn't know? I feels uh, I knew it.

527
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: I knew it. I knew it. I'll be sucking with them,

528
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: goddamn acting niggers. Whatever wrong to roll? You know, you

529
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: need a little bit of this ship and ship he's here? Now,

530
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? Ain't that much? What are you

531
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: talking about? Y'all? Say, y'all up in the smoke? Who

532
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: won't smoke all the smoke? You want all smoke? All

533
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: the smoke got cracked? Got creep with which one smoke?

534
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: We don't talk about that on camera. Okay, we're talking that.

535
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I do you do? Well, let's talk about let's talk

536
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: about Franklin who nephew, nephew, real quick. When we talk

537
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: about Franklin, we had Dean Sanders, and he said this

538
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: curl was look wet, but it was dry. You shouldn't

539
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: just a dry what's your ship? What you talking about?

540
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Your ship? Look dry? Talking about my ship? Little dry?

541
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: You want we can start this ship up, not that ship,

542
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: quick hitters. Yeah, you mean we're talking a wrong Wayne talking.

543
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 1: You know what we're talking about. We're talking to wrong.

544
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Dream co star in a movie and director for drone

545
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: not ain't got it? Say it again, dream coach someone

546
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: you would like to work with as an actor, actress

547
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: or and God damn ma, God want that. God damn mom.

548
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: Pam grim Box Brown, That Pam Grimm. I think she

549
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: fun with a nigger like me. Yeah, no question, Yeah

550
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: she's like she's like real Pam grab y'all. Damn. Let

551
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: me talk directly to your heart. My fucking face hurts.

552
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: Talk directly to you. Let me talk directly to you.

553
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: You need a man like me. Now, I got a

554
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: woman when we come into it's a package deal. Me

555
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: and my old lady take anything that you need to

556
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: be thinking. Louis like, we don't like women. No more

557
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: about to St. Louis. That's what she Loui, You Louis Pam.

558
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: That's nice. You're lucky man. Wait wait a caman, that's

559
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: your singer right there. You're looking in her eyes right now.

560
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: That was so damn good. Send that. How are you

561
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: doing that? Cut y'all? Cut the ship? Yeah, pack that up.

562
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: What's your own? Top five? Top five movies of all time? Chelf,

563
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 1: car wash, car wash, mac hey, that's it, Nick, rest

564
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: in peace. Mac Julian. He just passed recently. Oh, penitentiary,

565
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: oh man, midnight one of two? Yeah, five penatentiary midnight

566
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: thu yeah, midnight thub ship penitential. That was it? Come

567
00:37:53,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: on too sweet? Too sweet? Oh yeah, that's good. Ship

568
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: refulled you too, if you need it. Top five New

569
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: York New York athletes of all times. Huh, we'll go

570
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: with what conpration m that's stress him and the Earl

571
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: of the Pearl. Last time. We gotta goddamn championship. Yeah yeah,

572
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: all right, let me get huh, let me get with that.

573
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: Little Opie boy, little Obie boy on the Giants be

574
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: winning the championship. That motherfucker wins some ship. I don't

575
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: know how they got him. That motherfucker got damn football

576
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: ship doing like that. Mother touch down Tom Brady krypton

577
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: Nite that mom him let me get uh can't win nothing,

578
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: but I like it. I like a passion the Trump freeway.

579
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: That's mother fucker. Yeah, slap shot out of the coach,

580
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: slapped the ship out of the Put me in the game, coach.

581
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: That's put me in the game. Yeah, put me in

582
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: the game, coach. I like him. Patrick Ewing fucking Knees,

583
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing Knees put that in there, and he was.

584
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: He was a hell of a center bad knees. One

585
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: quite type ship. One quote to live by. I know

586
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: one that you that you really stand on, though, and

587
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: it might not be the quote you live by, but

588
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: I know when you stand on and I get to you,

589
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: come on, get you some squamp Come on, Jack, you're

590
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to work better on that. Now, Dragons, I'll

591
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: try that again. Now, I ain't say it like that.

592
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: Come on, now, it's goddamn acting class. Now all right

593
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: here we go. M hmm, come on, no, no, no,

594
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm the motherfucker Tray say he needs these keys.

595
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what trade sake, but get

596
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: you some squamp on Nickla casting. I saw some of

597
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: that talents brawl in and there saw something that real ship.

598
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: She got real for him. Ant. Yeah, that's the moment

599
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: I was. I wanted the show. I've been telling him

600
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: where I was. I'm glad you came and that's the

601
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: moment I wanted. Thanks for giving me that moment, my brother.

602
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: I love y'all. Man, appreciate you know what it appreciate

603
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: that man closer out with the last question, Jack, if

604
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: you can have one guest on All the Smoke, O G. Jerome,

605
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: who would it be? But before you answer that question,

606
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show. Goddamn, Hey,

607
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: uncle wouldn't be here without this, goddamn nephew. Ain't nothing

608
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: come on, old goddamn Oh yes, sir, yes, sir, we

609
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: need you before we get you out of here, we

610
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: got something for you. I can't not let you leave

611
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: without having you with some All the Smoke, gil my brother,

612
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: just some merch. That's at least we can do the show.

613
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for having you on. O G. You

614
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: got a lot going on. I know, I know you

615
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and Louis still trying to work this plug thing. I

616
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: would read. So just the fact that you took the

617
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: time out to get off the streets and come in

618
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: and give us an interview. We highly appreciate it. Ain't

619
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: no goddamn dreaming of me right here, got new cameras

620
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: and when that ship we gotta talund right now. Good,

621
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: I said, we got a talent there too. So you

622
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: don't drip up the collar of the sweatshirt. So you

623
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: mean and you get on stage, we goddamn jump suits

624
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: on it and be good. You don't like it, that's crazy,

625
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna be all right, that's crazy. That's a new ship.

626
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Hey man, congratulations on season six. Again. We appreciate your

627
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: time today here. Uh man, that's a wrap. You can

628
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: catch all the smoke on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the

629
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: Heart platform Black Effects. That's your solo taking side. What

630
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: you got ended on the camera, ended on the camera. Jack,

631
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Speaker 1: put that ship on. Jack. I've been waiting for you. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mr Sun goddamner player. We're gonna get the plug or else.

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Speaker 1: Fun with Louis talking about let's go