Speaker 1: You practiced for twenty five years in Santa Monica, the
Speaker 1: mecca of pretentious, all organic vegan assholes. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what they must have been like, uh with their children.
Speaker 2: I love my cinematical parents. I'm not going there. Look
Speaker 2: at me.
Speaker 3: Pash Shaw.
Speaker 2: Tosh shot Tosh Show Show.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, it's me Daniel Tosh and welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of Toss Show.
Speaker 2: I've been redeemed. I've been redeemed by the Blood of
Speaker 2: the Lamb.
Speaker 4: By the blood of the Lamb.
Speaker 2: I've been redeemed. I've been redeemed by the blood of
Speaker 2: the Lamb. You if you don't know this song, you're
Speaker 2: not going to go to heaven. I mean I want
Speaker 2: to go to heaven. Let's try it again.
Speaker 4: No, I really want to go.
Speaker 2: You get one chance for the Blood of the Lamb
Speaker 2: to redeem you. Alright. Hey, I'm not excited because I
Speaker 2: know what we're doing.
Speaker 4: Feedback.
Speaker 2: We're getting some feed back from the viewers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Grocery Store Joe's episode eat It Back of Dick's Tosh
Speaker 4: Toronto Rules.
Speaker 1: I'll pass on your local cuisine a bag of Dicks.
Speaker 1: That's that's Toronto for you. What are you guys in
Speaker 1: the mood for today? Well, hopefully you got one of
Speaker 1: those piping hot bag of dicks for me.
Speaker 4: Hello, mister Tosh, I'm a producer at Warner Brothers and
Speaker 4: I'm interested in buying the rights to this week's bedtime story.
Speaker 4: I think it will fit nicely into our revamp. DCEU,
Speaker 4: please get in touch if you were interested.
Speaker 1: Not interested, I appreciate the offer, but you're a little late.
Speaker 1: Marvel has already locked my son up.
Speaker 4: The Italian restaurant near my house is called Goomba's, but
Speaker 4: it's owned by Mexicans.
Speaker 2: How's their pizzadillas? A bitther delicious?
Speaker 4: Andy's episode? Honestly, I can't believe anybody pays the Sea
Speaker 4: comedians when there's so much music to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, dip shit. You don't see music,
Speaker 1: you listen to it unless you're deaf. Then you feel it.
Speaker 4: We got to look back and forth here from Andy's episode.
Speaker 4: I love the real numbers, and then there's a response
Speaker 4: he was pulling in really good money in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he thinks that proves four hundred
Speaker 4: dollars for like five days. Nominally ten hours of work,
Speaker 4: even if he was working eight hours a day is
Speaker 4: a lot of money for ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Fuck you just just fuck you. You don't.
Speaker 1: First of all, when I was reading my calendar from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, that wasn't the day I started comedy.
Speaker 1: I'd been doing comedy for five years. That was just
Speaker 1: happened to be a calendar that I had found and
Speaker 1: making five hundred dollars a week. Yeah, that's great if
Speaker 1: you're a person that has no real dreams. But I
Speaker 1: didn't live in whatever random city I was in in Ohio.
Speaker 1: I was commuting four hundred miles every day to some
Speaker 1: random city to do a show. I'm I'm just just
Speaker 1: if you would have gotten my calendar, which doesn't exist
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety five or ninety six, where every show
Speaker 1: I did was me just showing up to a comedy
Speaker 1: club begging to be put on for free and them
Speaker 1: saying no, and me driving home that night.
Speaker 2: That was That was the career for years.
Speaker 1: Then eventually I got to a point where I was
Speaker 1: making the four hundred and the five hundred dollars a
Speaker 1: week while traveling in a car back and forth across
Speaker 1: the country every other day.
Speaker 2: See here, I'm still angry about that one. Well, let's
Speaker 2: get that one. That one really burns me. Let's move
Speaker 2: it on, moving on, I worked. I don't know what
Speaker 2: that proves.
Speaker 1: Four hundred dollars back in ninety yeah, I remember back
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, when if you had four hundred
Speaker 1: dollars you were Everybody's like, look, how rich that guy is.
Speaker 2: He's got four hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the people would be like, well, it's
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, you got four hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Woo, all right, go on, what's the next one?
Speaker 4: Chandler Parsons episode. Don't worry, Parsons, Memphis still hates you too.
Speaker 1: You know what Chandler should do to make things right
Speaker 1: in Memphis. I don't know if you've heard, but Graceland
Speaker 1: has been in the news lately where it's potentially being.
Speaker 2: Sold in foreclosure.
Speaker 1: Chandler should swoop in right now for the city of
Speaker 1: Memphis and buy Graceland. Then he should demolish it everything
Speaker 1: except for the death toilet, leave the toilet there, then
Speaker 1: open up a Kansas City barbecue spot there. Because Kansas
Speaker 1: City Barbecue is so much better than Memphis Barbecue. And
Speaker 1: you go there, you get some cac barbecue, and then
Speaker 1: you get to sit on the throne. That's what That's
Speaker 1: what Chandler should do. I think they would all. I
Speaker 1: think everything would be forgiven at that point.
Speaker 4: Actually, a lot of comments about you having celebrities on,
Speaker 4: a lot of people have been calling you out because
Speaker 4: you said you were never going to have celebrities on,
Speaker 4: and then you had Michelle Wee, Luke McFarlane, grocery store,
Speaker 4: Joe Chandler, Parsons.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough. First of all, you can't believe the
Speaker 1: thing I say. I'm a huge liar. I also said
Speaker 1: I would never do a podcast, But here we are.
Speaker 1: Let me be clear. I feel like I have to
Speaker 1: say this again. I don't care what my fans want
Speaker 1: this show to be. If you think, and I'm sorry Chandler,
Speaker 1: you're about to catch some strays right now. If you
Speaker 1: think Chandler, a role player, a former role player in
Speaker 1: the NBA, is a celebrity, then you're right. We're never
Speaker 1: going to see eye to eye on anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: no offense. He was never even an All Star. He
Speaker 1: was like a second team All rookie. I think it
Speaker 1: was the biggest honor that he got in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. He's gonna give me shit. But
Speaker 1: whatever what I said the show was, or I don't
Speaker 1: even know what I said, doesn't matter what I said.
Speaker 2: Here's what the show is.
Speaker 1: I'm going to interview people that I want to interview
Speaker 1: if I find them interesting.
Speaker 2: That's why they're going to be sitting there.
Speaker 1: What I didn't want to do was do a podcast
Speaker 1: like other comedians where they're just talking about stand up
Speaker 1: comedy back and forth to each other. And the thing
Speaker 1: about celebrities was that I didn't want to have a
Speaker 1: forced conversation with somebody that was only here to promote
Speaker 1: their new project. So that the guideline, I'll have Robert
Speaker 1: de Niro on the show if he wants to talk
Speaker 1: about having children in his seventies, Okay, that's interesting, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care about someone's movie that they're
Speaker 1: they're contractually obligated to plug.
Speaker 2: That's That's where I'm drawing the line. You hear me?
Speaker 2: Is that is that crystal clear? Do we understand? Now?
Speaker 2: Can we stop with the dumb comment you were gonna
Speaker 2: have celebrities on, and then you had the helpful Honda
Speaker 2: guy on.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that you're such a fucking boring person that
Speaker 1: lives in some awful place where you think anybody that's
Speaker 1: been on TV for one second is now a celebrity.
Speaker 2: God damn it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get all worked up. Knock it off.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have whoever I want in that chair. And
Speaker 1: this week is no exception because it's brought to my
Speaker 1: attention that a lot of my fans have been getting
Speaker 1: abortions because they don't know where their baby should sleep. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta fix that, So we're having another doctor on
Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, this podcast is borderline educational.
Speaker 3: Enjoy Pasha, my guest today, believes that all babies should
Speaker 3: sleep in straight jackets, harnessed to a gyrating bed, blasting
Speaker 3: white noise.
Speaker 1: Please welcome world renowned pediatrician, author and inventor of the
Speaker 1: snow doctor, Harvey Karp.
Speaker 2: How's that for an intro? I think that was moombastic, fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 2: I meant to say fantastic. Yeah, it was a little
Speaker 2: bit of that first question, Yes, do you believe in
Speaker 2: ghost Do I believe in ghosts? You know I believe
Speaker 2: in higher powers though, all right, but you don't believe
Speaker 2: in ghosts.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, you went to Albert Einstein College
Speaker 1: of Medicine. That's made up right? Where is that?
Speaker 2: I don't even know where it college is. It's in
Speaker 2: the Bronx, is it? Okay? You unable to get into
Speaker 2: the halls of medicine. It's you know, as it turns out,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Here's what I tell you that half my questions are
Speaker 1: just dumb.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, but listen, here's the thing. There's there's science
Speaker 2: and there's humanity, and medicine really weaves those two together.
Speaker 2: And what's great about Einstein is that it really pays
Speaker 2: attention to the humanity. Did you excel in school? I
Speaker 2: was good. I mean I was like, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: be honest now. It wasn't like the smartest in the class.
Speaker 2: I mean I did graduate early. Like I was a
Speaker 2: sixteen year old when I graduated high school. Okay, see
Speaker 2: already that's it. I mean, although, but very immature. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: You practiced for twenty five years in Santa Monica, the
Speaker 1: mecca of pretentious all organic vegan assholes whose bodies are
Speaker 1: sacred temples. I can't imagine what they must have been
Speaker 1: like with their children.
Speaker 2: I love my cinematical parents. I'm not going there killed
Speaker 2: they're the Do you know that? Now they have acupuncturists
Speaker 2: and chiropractors in Omaha, Nebraska and Vegan, you know, guides
Speaker 2: and things like that. This is all across the country.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm fine with all. I'm fine with Vegan. I'm
Speaker 1: fine with There's just something another.
Speaker 2: Level, you know, one of the things. But this is
Speaker 2: one of the things that parents are raising children. Sometimes
Speaker 2: they never even touched a child in their lives. You know,
Speaker 2: smart people, they're educated. Maybe we're the most educated people
Speaker 2: in history, but in many ways parents are the least
Speaker 2: experienced in taking care of kids. So people are going
Speaker 2: on the internet and just trying to learn as best
Speaker 2: they can, and they're you know, they're influenced by different people,
Speaker 2: and so sometimes these these you know, kind of overly
Speaker 2: concerned approach about children comes from you know, people just
Speaker 2: not having experience. Now you're a huge anti vaxxer, right, No,
Speaker 2: I don't give I give vaccines to all anties. Is
Speaker 2: that what you mean?
Speaker 1: I don't hesitate if they tell me the kid needs
Speaker 1: it on Mike Stickham, let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't, there's no debate. Listen, Listen. I'm old
Speaker 2: enough that I've seen the effects of children who didn't
Speaker 2: get vaccinated. Now we have vaccines against diseases, even chicken pox.
Speaker 2: I've seen kids who lost their legs because they got
Speaker 2: severe infections after chicken pox, children who have had brain
Speaker 2: dissolving because they got measles. These are things that are
Speaker 2: completely preventable now. And we live in Listen. If you
Speaker 2: live on a farm by yourself and your neighbors never
Speaker 2: come over, you can do whatever you want. But when
Speaker 2: you're living in a culture where you're exposed to other people,
Speaker 2: you have a responsibility. It's not just me, me, me,
Speaker 2: it is us. We've got to protect each other. In
Speaker 2: your opinion, do you single handedly bring back us swaddling? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say so.
Speaker 1: By the way, are you flattered in any way because
Speaker 1: all of us use our phones when we have a child,
Speaker 1: and like, what does this mean? And we do our
Speaker 1: own research, but that so many times the answer to
Speaker 1: the question is quoted from you. Is that a flattering
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is like the amount of baby searches
Speaker 1: that you do where you're the answer that everyone agrees
Speaker 1: is that ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so odd. Here's the ridiculous thing. We've
Speaker 2: been around babies for thousands of years. How could anyone
Speaker 2: figure out something new about babies. You know, you can
Speaker 2: downplay that all you want, but that's impressive. The world
Speaker 2: is googling things.
Speaker 1: You're the answer That'll bring me back real quickly to
Speaker 1: a thing that you once said about why you kind
Speaker 1: of chose to focus on babies was because focusing on
Speaker 1: older people, cancer and all of that stuff at the
Speaker 1: end of life is I mean, I'm paraphrase a little
Speaker 1: more depressing.
Speaker 2: Then the kids get better. For the most part. That's
Speaker 2: very much my experience. And the other part of it
Speaker 2: is that it's very hard to be a doctor and
Speaker 2: be respectful to older people. And what I mean by
Speaker 2: that is that when you, as a doctor take a history,
Speaker 2: you're asking, you know, tell me about this pain, tell
Speaker 2: me about your life, tell me about your work. You
Speaker 2: have to really learn a lot about people. If you're
Speaker 2: really going to be a good doctor, you have to
Speaker 2: understand their life, not just my toe hurts, and you're
Speaker 2: focusing on that and I found that it was really
Speaker 2: hard because when you have another patient and then another
Speaker 2: one and they're stacking up and you got to see them.
Speaker 2: You can't really listen to people. You just don't have
Speaker 2: the time, and so that was really hard. And babies,
Speaker 2: they just don't. They have nothing to say. Just shocking through.
Speaker 2: The cutest race of babies. Oh my gosh. You know what,
Speaker 2: it's really the mix. That's not just taking a political answer,
Speaker 2: but you see children who are you know, Anglo and Asian.
Speaker 1: Or you're talking about mixing races. That creates the beauty
Speaker 1: it does. Sometimes at Backfars, I've seen a few mixed
Speaker 1: race babies. I'm like, Eh, that one didn't work, and
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the parents.
Speaker 2: Well, you know nothing, two hundred percent. But the fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is that the melting pod is really
Speaker 2: it's really a great thing because you're kind of you
Speaker 2: mush all the things together and more you'll get the
Speaker 2: things you like than things you don't like.
Speaker 1: Babies in general, as a parent, you look at your
Speaker 1: child and you're like, oh my god, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And then time goes by and you look back and
Speaker 1: you go, oh my goodness, what a what a monster
Speaker 1: that came out of us.
Speaker 2: It was. It was usually people says, that's the opposite thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sometimes the nose is smushed and the
Speaker 2: head is big or whatever. But you know, there are
Speaker 2: studies that showed that we're attracted to beings that have
Speaker 2: the big forehead and big eyes and a small chin. Huh.
Speaker 2: There's a cuteness factor that makes you go, oh, that's adorable.
Speaker 2: We're set up biologically to see babies as being cute,
Speaker 2: and seeing baby animals as being cute because of their
Speaker 2: big eyes and big foreheads and things like. Do animals
Speaker 2: do this as well?
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea do animals look at other
Speaker 1: animals in their same species and go, oh, you're an
Speaker 1: attractive animal versus an ugly animal. I always want to
Speaker 1: because the reality is humans all look alike. It's so
Speaker 1: funny how such subtle things make one person beautiful and
Speaker 1: another person ugly, because you're never supposed to say, oh,
Speaker 1: all blank look alike. That's a you know, certainly a
Speaker 1: race of people that's not considered a very.
Speaker 2: Well, but that's not right. I mean, maybe it is
Speaker 2: if you don't know how to look at somebody, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look at the specifics of a face, or
Speaker 2: you look at the goshalt and oh the face is
Speaker 2: white and the nose is big or small, and he
Speaker 2: looks like those people you know. But I think when
Speaker 2: you get to know a race and you understand the
Speaker 2: subtleties of it, like can you tell the difference between
Speaker 2: someone who's Korean or Japanese? Absolutely not, yeah, so I mean,
Speaker 2: but but someone who's Korean Ken, right, so I mean.
Speaker 1: Question is like, do you think pelicans are going look
Speaker 1: at that fucking ugly Pelican. I'm sure they are, is
Speaker 1: what I'm But to me, all pelicans look alike.
Speaker 2: And I bet if you I bet if you ask
Speaker 2: everybody in your audience, they would pretty much agree with you.
Speaker 2: My audience is, for the most part, idiots.
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that you're here because really the
Speaker 1: reason that you came into our lives, are on our
Speaker 1: radar was because your wife backed in to my producer's
Speaker 1: car over there.
Speaker 2: Is that true? That is true, But it was an accident.
Speaker 2: There was an accident. She wasn't trying to get me
Speaker 2: on the show. As much as we were excited when
Speaker 2: we heard about it.
Speaker 1: That is so funny to me. I was like, w
Speaker 1: how do you know this guy? And he's like I
Speaker 1: was just like I was confusing. He goes, nah, his
Speaker 1: wife bumped into my car and we just started talking
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my goodness, how's your wife doing?
Speaker 2: She actually just twisted. We were five hours in the
Speaker 2: hospital a couple of days ago because she twisted her
Speaker 2: ankle hiking. But thank you for us five hours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wasted an angle. You don't have any poll at
Speaker 2: a hospital, are you kidding me? It would have been
Speaker 2: fifteen hours. It was five hours. Was really great. But
Speaker 2: now you're making me feel bad like I'm insignificant.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you could have opened something. I mean,
Speaker 1: my mom was a nurse for sixty years. If I
Speaker 1: ever needed stitches, boy, she just marched me right in
Speaker 1: m It was always I always felt so cool.
Speaker 2: When I was going with my mom. Uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you another thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of people might be like they always asking, oh,
Speaker 1: why are you having this person? I want you to
Speaker 1: know the reason that you're on is because I find
Speaker 1: you fascinating. You invent this new and for those that
Speaker 1: don't know's it's a very high end bassinette. It vibrates,
Speaker 1: it shakes, it has white noise. Basically helps your child
Speaker 1: sleep in a safe manner.
Speaker 2: Correct. Okay, And it's it's pricey and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: There's always correct incorrect. Well, there's at some point you
Speaker 1: can get it secondhand.
Speaker 2: There's a work rented for five dollars a day. I
Speaker 2: mean it's cheaper than a five dollars Starbucks. Yeah, five
Speaker 2: dollars a day. I don't drink star Eggs, okay, blue bottle.
Speaker 2: I don't drink coffee. Okay. Do you know why I
Speaker 2: don't drink coffee? No, I was.
Speaker 1: Most people drink coffee because they need to be awake,
Speaker 1: you know, And I do when I'm sleepy, I take
Speaker 1: a nap and.
Speaker 2: To get energized. What do you need to do?
Speaker 1: No, just open your eyes? Well sure, I'm okay. I've
Speaker 1: just never people.
Speaker 2: Drink coffee for the taste too. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that when you when you have a
Speaker 2: baby and you're exhausted a lot of people are buying
Speaker 2: coffee because they got to keep their eyes open, they
Speaker 2: got to go to work. They don't want to get
Speaker 2: in a car accident, understood, And that's why.
Speaker 1: I know that I was extremely fortunate because I had
Speaker 1: children that slept and I was in a position where
Speaker 1: I could make work work around my schedule. And what
Speaker 1: I did when my baby slept, I slept like that
Speaker 1: was just what I did.
Speaker 2: It's great if you can do that. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: S New isn't just about sleeping more. SNeW is about
Speaker 2: keeping a baby safe because prevents them rolling over to
Speaker 2: the only bed that's got this FDA authorization that keeps
Speaker 2: them on the back. You know how many kids, just
Speaker 2: healthy kids die in the United four thirty four hundred
Speaker 2: so close? I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, who's what's
Speaker 2: six hundred babies? Especially if they look like Pelicans are.
Speaker 2: So you're a Pelican baby, I'm gonna being loved. So
Speaker 2: here's here's the thing. It's it's really one of these
Speaker 2: tragedies in raising children in the United States. That's a
Speaker 2: number in the United States. It'll be as has any
Speaker 2: baby died in US New Yes? Oh, how many? There
Speaker 2: are five that we know of?
Speaker 1: Okay, so that how many people have died in Tesla? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just out of curious No, But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's dramatically less than one would expect in
Speaker 2: a regular bed. So the point being that, and we're
Speaker 2: not claiming that we prevent SIDS, we don't have the
Speaker 2: privilege of doing that yet from the FDA. But we
Speaker 2: do claim that we keep babies on the back, which
Speaker 2: everybody knows is the number one way to keep baby safe.
Speaker 2: Did you know that my grandfather died of SIDS? No,
Speaker 2: the oldest case your grandfather. Oh my gosh. Can I
Speaker 2: get into why I don't have a snow? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I had my first child five years ago and
Speaker 1: a coworker mine had a snow and brought it to
Speaker 1: work for me, was going to give it to me
Speaker 1: for free. His child had grown past that age. And
Speaker 1: then the show runner on that show, Charlie, he shamed me.
Speaker 1: He was like he's like, oh, you don't want to
Speaker 1: hold your baby, blah blah blah, Like why don't you
Speaker 1: just embrace it? So then I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not above doing it the hard way or whatever.
Speaker 1: So you know, and then we had our child and
Speaker 1: sure enough, kid was a sleeper. Didn't really have much issue.
Speaker 1: If there was ever a scenario where it was like
Speaker 1: we need to try something different, I would have waited
Speaker 1: two seconds, and I would have purchased it.
Speaker 2: At full cost rented it. I wouldn't have even rented it.
Speaker 2: But did you have help? Did you have help in
Speaker 2: the house? No, No, just you guys. Yeah, huh. But
Speaker 2: you got to be able to be home during the
Speaker 2: day and whatnot. You don't have to go out to work.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I would work with it, but I wasn't. Yes, my
Speaker 1: schedule was very accommodating. So there a couple of different
Speaker 1: things that we're trying to do with SNOW. One is
Speaker 1: to help babies sleep longer.
Speaker 2: We've proven that we've measured six hundred million hours of sleep,
Speaker 2: and we showed that babies automatically sleep an extra hour.
Speaker 2: But here's a curious thing. By three months of age,
Speaker 2: a normal three month old will give you a five
Speaker 2: hour stretch of unbroken sleep. That's pretty pretty good, pretty
Speaker 2: much average for a three month old. In SNOW, it's
Speaker 2: six and a half almost seven hours of unbroken sleep.
Speaker 2: In other words, we're maturing the brain two to three
Speaker 2: months earlier than we ever thought was possible. And what
Speaker 2: we're studying now is, well, if you can mature the
Speaker 2: brain to sleep longer, are there other ways that you
Speaker 2: can mature the brain as well. So I want to
Speaker 2: give you an example of that. Garoo care. We're off
Speaker 2: of Pelicans now and kangaroo care. Have you ever heard
Speaker 2: of that? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it has to do with the mother holding
Speaker 1: them in the pouch. Yeah, exactly right. But instead of
Speaker 1: a pouch, we kind of bind them against the chest.
Speaker 1: And we do this with little premature babies, like a
Speaker 1: one pound baby, and you put them on the mother
Speaker 1: so she the baby feels the breathing and smells the
Speaker 1: mother and feels the movement.
Speaker 2: Of the day, is kept warm. And what has been
Speaker 2: done now is that we've been doing that for thirty
Speaker 2: years and we measure the brain development of children fifteen
Speaker 2: years later. And what do we see. We see that
Speaker 2: premature babies have difficulties with some of their brain development.
Speaker 2: The earlier you are, you know, the more challenges you're
Speaker 2: going to have. Kangaroo care improves that and almost all
Speaker 2: the way to being a regular, normal term baby. And
Speaker 2: so what does that mean. It means that holding and
Speaker 2: rocking and closeness, those are things that are nurturing for
Speaker 2: a baby's brain. It's not just milk. You want to
Speaker 2: give them closeness and so all day long. And I
Speaker 2: bet you did that, right, did you hold your baby
Speaker 2: and carry your baby and give that type of skin
Speaker 2: to skin? But you do that for twelve fins of
Speaker 2: skin feels a little awkward. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2: You're always like, am I really doing this? Am I
Speaker 2: taking off my shirt? So? But anyway, anyway, it's a
Speaker 2: super cool thing to do. But anyway, here's the point.
Speaker 2: The point is that if you feed a baby but
Speaker 2: you never hold them and carry them, their brains are
Speaker 2: not going to develop ugly. If you do it one
Speaker 2: hour day, that's better. Two hours better than one. Four
Speaker 2: hours is better than two. So what do we do
Speaker 2: twelve hours at night? We have babies in kind of
Speaker 2: sensory deprivation. They're kind of in dark, still silence. If
Speaker 2: you ask a thousand babies, you know you want to
Speaker 2: be twelve hours by yourself in the dark, or held
Speaker 2: and rocked and shushed.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's the argument that I mean, listen, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of third world countries where everyone sleeps with
Speaker 1: their baby, and that would give you what you're asking for,
Speaker 1: But then you have the problem of rolling over and
Speaker 1: killing them.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. You So, how can you give
Speaker 2: the baby the nurturing that they're going to do the
Speaker 2: best with but keep them safe as well. Because we
Speaker 2: start it's new. Originally was not even about sleep. It
Speaker 2: was about how do we keep babies safe flow in
Speaker 2: the back. Unfortunately, I've had the experience of working with
Speaker 2: families who've lost their babies. You never recover, You just
Speaker 2: never recover. It is such a horrible, horrible experience. So
Speaker 2: we're really super excited about keeping babies safer. Yet we
Speaker 2: want to improve sleep at night, but also improve it
Speaker 2: during the day because during the day, when you're cooking
Speaker 2: dinner or taking a shower, most people don't have help
Speaker 2: in the house. But it used to be that everyone
Speaker 2: had five nannies, right when you had your grandmother and
Speaker 2: your aunt and your older sister live in next door.
Speaker 2: I know, but I don't like that either. I well,
Speaker 2: here's whenever, like my wife.
Speaker 1: We'll have the discussion and we're she'll bring up some
Speaker 1: other country where you know, when a mother has a
Speaker 1: baby in this country for six years, the whole village
Speaker 1: just rubs her feet. I'm like, okay, there's some trade
Speaker 1: offs to our country. We're not all awful.
Speaker 2: We got some We have some great things here that
Speaker 2: they don't have there. So yeah, of course, of course,
Speaker 2: But I mean you're we have doctors like you. But
Speaker 2: you want to do it the tough. You want to
Speaker 2: you know, trial by fire. You want to show that
Speaker 2: you earned your stripes, and you want I did it
Speaker 2: the hard way, and I can tell everybody else. So
Speaker 2: what the guy who goes later on and says you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be do you be just like the shower you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing that. I won't be like Charlie. Charlotte'm
Speaker 2: not gonna be like.
Speaker 1: I encourage people to get it, and I'm all for
Speaker 1: help and family and community raising the kid.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't love a lot of people in my house.
Speaker 1: That's my big objection to Nanni's and that thing. Now,
Speaker 1: where are you at snow or a night nurse?
Speaker 2: It's not an either or. You can use a night
Speaker 2: nurse and a snow because the night well then what's
Speaker 2: that night nurse doing? Changing diapers, feeding, kind of bringing
Speaker 2: the baby to you to nurse? I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: advocating it, mind you, but it's good to have help. Listen,
Speaker 2: do you know what postpartum depression is, of course, Okay,
Speaker 2: do you know how many women get postpartum depressions?
Speaker 1: Well, thirty percent is my guests, not a bad guess.
Speaker 2: So about twenty percent in the general population get depression,
Speaker 2: end or anxiety, But in the higher risk populations, inner
Speaker 2: city folks, single parents, things like that, it's more like
Speaker 2: thirty percent. So you're on target there, thirty percent, twenty
Speaker 2: to thirty percent of all normal mothers get clinical depression.
Speaker 2: That's like ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Now what percentage of that do you associate to them
Speaker 1: not getting a proper night sleep?
Speaker 2: A lot of it. So here's here's a bunch of
Speaker 2: things that lead to postpartum depression. Exhaustion, crying babies that
Speaker 2: you can't come fear that in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: your baby's going to roll to danger, and so you're
Speaker 2: looking and looking and checking your baby, feeling like there's
Speaker 2: nobody there to help you, and feeling kind of incompetent,
Speaker 2: like nobody told me how hard this was going to be.
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I wasn't ready for this. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, yeah, I know, that's not ready for it.
Speaker 2: We all know it's hard. We all know it's hard,
Speaker 2: but you know something, they use crying babies and and
Speaker 2: exhaustion to train navy seals to injure torture, So it
Speaker 2: isn't just like mildly hard. If you're going after night
Speaker 2: with sleep deprivation, it becomes like torture. My point is
Speaker 2: that we developed snow to take care of all of
Speaker 2: those five things that lead to postpartum depression. So our goal,
Speaker 2: besides helping the babies and keeping them healthy and keeping
Speaker 2: them safe and helping to nurture their brains and preventing
Speaker 2: them from rolling to their death, is how can we
Speaker 2: support mothers and fathers to be healthy, to kind of
Speaker 2: be feeling successful instead of overwhelmed, and be able to
Speaker 2: go to their job every day so they can earn
Speaker 2: a living and pay for their family.
Speaker 1: You believe in the fourth trimester, yes, I do. What
Speaker 1: about abortions during the fourth trimester? No, that was just
Speaker 1: sorry about that. You believe in fourth trimester?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: What is? That's just but you know, a horse can
Speaker 2: run the first day of life. They have to be
Speaker 2: able to run to survive. If they don't can't run,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get eaten or something. A baby horse they
Speaker 2: eat horses if you don't if they don't run, yes,
Speaker 2: of course serious.
Speaker 1: The wolves, the coyotes, time on the wild. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just start you're talking about like that.
Speaker 2: Random. I guess it's a long time. That's why you
Speaker 2: went there. But you know, the babies are very helpless
Speaker 2: when they're born. They can't even smile yet, they can't
Speaker 2: even follow you across the room. So they're the only
Speaker 2: reason we have to kick them out is because their
Speaker 2: heads are so big, and so we got it. We
Speaker 2: have to deliver them into their fourth try and take
Speaker 2: care of them as if it's a fourth trimester of
Speaker 2: care inside. That's the concept. But it helps people to
Speaker 2: know because it used to People used to say, don't
Speaker 2: go to the baby when they're crying. You're going to
Speaker 2: spoil them. You're going to make them feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: like they're going to get everything they want just because
Speaker 2: they cry. And actually what you're doing in the beginning,
Speaker 2: but going to them and holding them and responding to
Speaker 2: them quickly, is you're building a sense of trust and
Speaker 2: confidence that they're going to then carry with them the
Speaker 2: rest of their lives. We call this attachment. So it's
Speaker 2: super important to give to them to meet their needs
Speaker 2: as much as you can. You can't do everything, but
Speaker 2: as much as you can in those first six months
Speaker 2: of life, and later on you're going to teach them well,
Speaker 2: just because you cried doesn't mean you're going to get
Speaker 2: what you want. You know, you can't have the scissors
Speaker 2: period of end of story, you know, and you're going
Speaker 2: to teach limits at that point, but you don't need
Speaker 2: to worry about that in the first six months.
Speaker 1: The elephant in the room that people will always bring
Speaker 1: up when looking into your work is that you, uh
Speaker 1: never had children. Uh yet you're the expert on all babies.
Speaker 1: Although you do have a daughter, a step stepdaughter. She
Speaker 1: works for you down to she does. Yeah, she's our
Speaker 1: head of marketing. Do you ever you ever? Do you
Speaker 1: ever swaddle her as an adult? Just to be funny,
Speaker 1: do people people ever say, oh my god, how how
Speaker 1: would you relate to them?
Speaker 2: And that's obviously ignorant people say that. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like going to a gynecologist who's a man and saying,
Speaker 2: can you be a gynocologist? He's been on my show?
Speaker 2: Really my wife's obi? Seriously? Yeah? Yeah yeah? Would you
Speaker 2: love to have your brain? Uh?
Speaker 1: Like you know I live forever, forget that nonsense. But
Speaker 1: but wouldn't you love to have your brain downloaded and
Speaker 1: then turned back on a couple hundred years from to
Speaker 1: see how right or wrong you were about things, Because
Speaker 1: there's no way we're going to be doing things the
Speaker 1: exact same way that we do now with babies.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's curious, Yeah, of course, of course, like
Speaker 2: a time machine. Well because like it's like, oh, babies
Speaker 2: sleep on their stomach. Now it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: make sure they're on you know, a coffee table. There's
Speaker 2: just a study that just came out with that, and
Speaker 2: well that says they can sleep on a softer bed. No,
Speaker 2: it said that what we did by putting them on
Speaker 2: the back actually messed up with their sleep. It keeps
Speaker 2: them safer, it's definitely the only safe position. But babies
Speaker 2: don't like to sleep on the back. They win themselves up.
Speaker 2: You know, my second one, oh my goodness, about three
Speaker 2: maybe four months.
Speaker 1: I'll lie if this is inappropriate. But once she once
Speaker 1: she went over to her stomach and started, I was
Speaker 1: like done, Yeah, I'm letting her.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, and we you know, I'm old
Speaker 2: enough that I used to only recommend sleeping on the
Speaker 2: stomach because we thought if you were on the back,
Speaker 2: you would vomit and choke and run that cross desks.
Speaker 2: It turned out we were one hundred and eighty degrees wrong.
Speaker 2: Babies don't and choke on their back, so that is
Speaker 2: safe from that point of view. But they don't like
Speaker 2: being on the back like your daughter. But here's the thing,
Speaker 2: they are safer on the back, and so why even
Speaker 2: be forced into that chance? Why not allow a child
Speaker 2: to sleep well, but sleep safely? And that's really what's
Speaker 2: new is trying to do. I mean, it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird the compromises you'll make with yourself for an
Speaker 1: extra thirty minutes of sleep.
Speaker 2: That's the torture thing.
Speaker 1: If my kids are good sleepers, Do I get any
Speaker 1: credit for it as a parent or no, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know because I didn't know if it
Speaker 1: was one of these things where you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: take pride over that because you know, just because your
Speaker 1: kid's a bad sleeper doesn't mean you're a bad parent.
Speaker 2: No, But you know, it's like the first question they
Speaker 2: ask you right when the kid's born, they say boy
Speaker 2: or girl? You know, But once you're home, they say,
Speaker 2: how is your kids sleeping? Wink wink, nudge nudge, Like
Speaker 2: you knows enough.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying it like, well no, but they
Speaker 1: always say it like is your kids sleeping?
Speaker 2: And then people say always sleeping?
Speaker 1: Great, and you try to wear that as a badge
Speaker 1: of honor, but I didn't think that it was actually
Speaker 1: a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it, take it whenever you can write, well,
Speaker 2: then I'm amazing.
Speaker 1: How much is this new seventeen hundred brand new? If
Speaker 1: no rebate, no nothing, I want to I want off
Speaker 1: the shelf. That's about what it is. Seven okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you use it for six months?
Speaker 2: Six months is how long? Yeah? Yeah? So that's like
Speaker 2: nine dollars a day. So would you pay nine dollars
Speaker 2: a day for an hour or two more sleep? And
Speaker 2: I know you would. Wait, I wouldn't want it at all.
Speaker 1: I'll buy one of those fancy mattresses that was with
Speaker 1: the plaid what are they one hundred thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: What are they called Hastens or whatever? You know? In
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills they have a store the horse hair one. Yes,
Speaker 2: the horse. You have a horse hair mattress. I don't
Speaker 2: have one. No. I I sleep on a on a
Speaker 2: just on a table like this.
Speaker 1: No, you don't you like a firm bed. I do
Speaker 1: like a firm Do you have it elevated slightly? I
Speaker 1: have ranchisers? No little acid reflex. I guess did you
Speaker 1: ever own a water bed in your life?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did?
Speaker 3: You did?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The worst night sleep ever? Hated? Yeah, exactly. See,
Speaker 2: He's like I had to take dramming. Mean every night.
Speaker 2: How many hours a night are you sleeping? Six? Seven?
Speaker 2: You know, when you're older, it's less need it as much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm way more. What time do you go to beds?
Speaker 2: Eleven twelve? Do you nap sometimes? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love a nap. Yeah yeah, nap is good. I nap
Speaker 2: almost every day. Do you almost every day? That's good.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing is when I read an article where
Speaker 1: it tells you, like, oh, the healthiest thing you can
Speaker 1: do is get lots of sleep, And.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's right, doctor's orders. My wife and
Speaker 2: I sleep, and our kids sleep.
Speaker 1: It's you know, people always like, oh, you should have
Speaker 1: the same religion or you have to have a lot
Speaker 1: in common. I don't know if we have a lot
Speaker 1: in common, but we both love sleeping and that that
Speaker 1: has had us proved to made a good marriage.
Speaker 2: Call it.
Speaker 1: It's a broad term for prolonged crying or fussiness. Can
Speaker 1: wives have collic.
Speaker 2: It depends on their husband's.
Speaker 1: Because there's just sometimes I just don't understand how she
Speaker 1: can be so loud for so long.
Speaker 2: Well, so the word colic comes from the same word
Speaker 2: as colon, meaning you know, intestine, right, And so for
Speaker 2: thousands of years people have said, well, colic, the babies
Speaker 2: just cry, they get red in the face, they grunt
Speaker 2: and say, go, I think it's their stomach is bothering them.
Speaker 2: But here's the way that you know it isn't that.
Speaker 2: It's that when when the baby is really fussy, and
Speaker 2: sometimes we say driving around in the car and they
Speaker 2: fall asleep in the car, Well, car is not going
Speaker 2: to make pain go away, you know, or bouncing on
Speaker 2: a yoga bawl things like that. So it turns out,
Speaker 2: for the most part, colic is a child who is
Speaker 2: like really sensitive and they don't have enough calming rhythms.
Speaker 2: I mean, like if you hold and rock your child
Speaker 2: all day long, they're much less fussy, so you kind
Speaker 2: of pay it in before they get fussy in the evening.
Speaker 2: You're retired. Are you're not practicing doctor? No, I'm not
Speaker 2: seeing patients, right, But you still you run this new empire,
Speaker 2: run this new business. Yeah. So the happiest baby is
Speaker 2: our is our business.
Speaker 1: Whenever you say this new you always say we that
Speaker 1: seems nice, but are you really the the single person
Speaker 1: that invented it.
Speaker 2: I had the idea, but you know, to turn an idea,
Speaker 2: it's like my wife's uncle is an incredibly successful CEO
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical guy, and he said, give me a great idea.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a dollar, make it work. I'll give
Speaker 2: you a million. You know, having the idea is one thing,
Speaker 2: but you need engineers. And this was actually difficult. This
Speaker 2: was very difficult. It doesn't imagine. And my wife, God
Speaker 2: bless her, is like there'd be no company without her.
Speaker 2: She does so she found our factories, raised our money,
Speaker 2: hired our executive team. You know, she has been just incredible.
Speaker 2: So it really is a team. And my daughter actually,
Speaker 2: like somebody that doesn't have a prina, she has trust.
Speaker 2: She has trust.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to it, you're the one
Speaker 1: that would make the final decision if this company were
Speaker 1: to be sold. Weren't you offered one hundred million or
Speaker 1: something crazy and you said no, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were in the very beginning because we didn't
Speaker 2: want a company to screw it up. I love everything
Speaker 2: about you. Would you ever read reviews of your product
Speaker 2: on like yelp? Yeah? Sure? Do you? Do you ever
Speaker 2: write to them? No? Okay, no it's not there's no
Speaker 2: there's only only pain and suffering and trying to get
Speaker 2: into those dialogs. Listen, here's what my mother told me.
Speaker 2: She said, if there's no controversy, you haven't introduced anything new,
Speaker 2: So don't worry about controversy. And so people you know
Speaker 2: and listen, not no one, no one. Product works for everybody.
Speaker 2: But this works like ninety eight percent. The only real
Speaker 2: controversy with you is is that I've seen is that you're, oh,
Speaker 2: you would be attached to a lot of celebrities. At
Speaker 2: the beginning, people said that that wasn't uh whatever, and
Speaker 2: then it wasn't obtainable for everybody. Now you've you've over
Speaker 2: you've said five dollars a day or something that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: our goal is everyone gets it for free. I mean
Speaker 2: the thousands of people get a free snoop from their employer.
Speaker 2: So anyone who's listening can what employers are JP, Morgan, Chase,
Speaker 2: under Armor, Snapped, Underdone. It's I'm not going to work
Speaker 2: for under armored just for a snooz. How about Sonic Burgers,
Speaker 2: which which is with that National Air Traffic Controllers Union,
Speaker 2: which Sonic Burgers gives free snooze? Yeah, it's pretty nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, the point being that our goal is
Speaker 2: everyone's going to get it for free, so insurance will
Speaker 2: cover it. Now we're starting to work with medicaid programs
Speaker 2: so that the most at risk populations can get this
Speaker 2: because the goal, Like I said, I'm seventy two. I'm
Speaker 2: not I mean the only I'm not a startup guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not a roboticist. I'm not a techie guy. I'm here.
Speaker 2: My wife and I really started this, and this is
Speaker 2: this is just the way it is. You know, we
Speaker 2: started this because it was a serious problem and it
Speaker 2: wasn't getting better year after year in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: You know how many babies have died of SIDS. It's
Speaker 2: the same number of American babies as American soldiers who
Speaker 2: died in Vietnam. I mean, it's just absolute travesty, and
Speaker 2: so that's why we started this because we thought we
Speaker 2: could make a difference. So now the goal is to
Speaker 2: get everybody to get it for free, and we're working
Speaker 2: hard to do that and it'll be paid for by
Speaker 2: you know, the insurance folks.
Speaker 1: I heard Beyonce about thirty six of them is true?
Speaker 2: No comment, right, why did you name it snow? When
Speaker 2: we tested it out, people smiled when they said the
Speaker 2: word snooze, So that's kind of a positive thing. We
Speaker 2: have the five says. We wanted this to be one
Speaker 2: of the says. Do you know about the five s's? Also,
Speaker 2: I just want to know about the five K sarcasm?
Speaker 2: Do you do that? That always works with my child? Yes?
Speaker 2: Personality sneezing. You should never sneeze in a baby's face.
Speaker 1: That's a bad idea. The five that's of course, that's one.
Speaker 1: Swaddle what's this swinging?
Speaker 2: Swinging? Okay, sucking and the side stomach position.
Speaker 1: Sarcasm isn't one of them though, interesting, So everyone knows
Speaker 1: you hold a baby, rock them, it's going to work.
Speaker 1: But why does it work?
Speaker 2: Why did you ever fall asleep, like on a long
Speaker 2: haul airplane flight or in a car. Yeah, so all
Speaker 2: adults do that. They like to rock and hammocks. We
Speaker 2: like the sound of the wind and love a hammock.
Speaker 2: You don't, okay, well rocking on the ocean? Do you
Speaker 2: like that feel? You're done? In a boat? But boats? No,
Speaker 2: not that either? No, okay, I don't nap, but see
Speaker 2: often on a cruise, yeah, yeah, I like cruise. No, no,
Speaker 2: I've been personal cruise the right way, the right you've
Speaker 2: been on some oligarchs they always want a doctor on board.
Speaker 2: They rush. Oligarchs have asked you to to be their
Speaker 2: primary care physician. I cannot give you. You know, the
Speaker 2: cool thing about one of the things that I really
Speaker 2: enjoy about the five S is actually, you know, what
Speaker 2: is the reason that the five s's work. Well, it
Speaker 2: imitates the uterus? But why does the imitating the uterus work?
Speaker 2: And this was actually the kind of thing that I
Speaker 2: really discovered. This was the Aha moment, which is that
Speaker 2: babies are born with lots of reflexes. That's that's a
Speaker 2: built in software so that they survived. Like, you don't
Speaker 2: teach a baby to suck or to swallow, they know
Speaker 2: how to do that all on their own. You don't
Speaker 2: teach them how to cry. But it turns out they're
Speaker 2: born with an off switch for crying, and the that
Speaker 2: off switch is activated by imitating the womb. And the
Speaker 2: reason that that's so important, the entire survival of the
Speaker 2: species is dependent upon babies having that off switch, because
Speaker 2: if they're swimming around too much before they're born, they'll
Speaker 2: get stuck in a sideways position or in a breach
Speaker 2: position where their head is up and their feet down,
Speaker 2: and then they get stuck coming out and they die
Speaker 2: and they kill their mothers. So all of us are
Speaker 2: descendants of these zen little babies who are kind of
Speaker 2: put into a trance by the rhythms and the sound
Speaker 2: of the womb. The whole reason that you have mantras
Speaker 2: or that people like to rock. You know how you
Speaker 2: see people with their legs going back and forth when
Speaker 2: they're nervous and kind of.
Speaker 1: Generating, and they shake the table and they shake the
Speaker 1: table infuriating.
Speaker 2: I know it's annoying, but it's soothing for them. And
Speaker 2: all of that is really related to this very ancient
Speaker 2: part of our biology. There's the book The Happiest Baby
Speaker 2: on the Block, which I kind of don't recommend people
Speaker 2: read because there's a video. I mean, it's a great
Speaker 2: book and it's got interesting stuff, but to really learn
Speaker 2: the five essays, you got to watch it. And so
Speaker 2: they're the video we have that teaches that. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like learning how to tie your shoelaces. You know you're
Speaker 2: going to learn it better by watching somebody than by
Speaker 2: reading on a book about it. Just how hard is
Speaker 2: it to learn? And then snugly and huggy and so
Speaker 2: so here's the here's the kind of nuance to it, right,
Speaker 2: it's on the side, roll towards the stomach, not roll
Speaker 2: towards the back. So people oftentimes mess that up or
Speaker 2: they have to squaddle arms tight but legs loose. And
Speaker 2: the shushing how loud you do the shushing people all
Speaker 2: the time or you know, like what you just said,
Speaker 2: the that's not the way it is for babies. You
Speaker 2: get because inside the wound before babies are born, which
Speaker 2: is what you're imitating, it's louder than a vacuum cut.
Speaker 1: Do you know it's been measured? It's science, got it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they could measure. I didn't know they
Speaker 1: could measure it. Yeah, I didn't know they could measure it.
Speaker 1: You got Okay, No, listen, I go as loud as
Speaker 1: I need to break her or him out of whatever
Speaker 1: they're in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people when they do that, they go I
Speaker 2: feel bad, like I'm saying shut up or something like that.
Speaker 2: But you have to. You're exactly right. You go to
Speaker 2: the level of their crime and then you kind of
Speaker 2: bring them down for a soft landing. All right. See,
Speaker 2: I don't have to read it or yeah, you're a natural.
Speaker 2: You're natural.
Speaker 1: I give everybody that's on my show a gift, but
Speaker 1: I have to grab it over here.
Speaker 2: It's not a real gift.
Speaker 1: It's it's just something from my house that I don't
Speaker 1: want anymore, and then they have to take it.
Speaker 2: Do you like massages? No, okay, it's farra gun.
Speaker 1: Well I figured if it's it's like a massage, but
Speaker 1: it's a machine that does it for you, much like
Speaker 1: this new is a person rocking you. You can just
Speaker 1: have this. I never like this. Somebody got me this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not using this. I like a
Speaker 1: real massage. You give yourself a happy.
Speaker 2: Ending with this. You're gonna get hurt, So here you
Speaker 2: can take my massage gun. Thank you so much. That's
Speaker 2: incredibly generous. Wait, you know what, I have more things
Speaker 2: for you. I forgot I have.
Speaker 1: This is if you ever use like a face mist
Speaker 1: before you go to bed. It's supposed to help you sleep,
Speaker 1: like a sprint, a lavender or something. I don't, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't like the smell of this one, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to give that to you. And this is just
Speaker 1: some essential oils called unwined. It's going to help you
Speaker 1: sleep more.
Speaker 2: Huh. And you hate this one too, I don't like
Speaker 2: that do so much. I'm going to get this off
Speaker 2: my table. I don't.
Speaker 1: You wrote happiest baby on the Block, every happiest toddler
Speaker 1: on the block, any plans on publishing happiest slash sometimes
Speaker 1: depressed slash most awkward teenager on the block.
Speaker 2: You know something that is the toddler book. Teenagers and
Speaker 2: toddlers have a lot in common. Toddler starts at one
Speaker 2: and goes till when tyler starts at eight months, eight
Speaker 2: months and goes up to you know, seventies, eighties. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: everyone becomes a toddler when they get upset enough, right,
Speaker 2: they throw a fit and they're not reasonable and they
Speaker 2: can't hear what you're saying. Toddlers are between being an
Speaker 2: infant and being a kid, and they want to you know,
Speaker 2: they want to do things that they can't quite do yet.
Speaker 2: But then they fall and they cry like little babies.
Speaker 2: They're going back and forth teenagers. I want to be
Speaker 2: a kid and I want to be an adult. You know,
Speaker 2: I want to clean up my room? Can I have
Speaker 2: the car keys? You know. It is really trying to
Speaker 2: find their way to make the jump into into adulthood.
Speaker 2: So a lot of the way you communicate actually is
Speaker 2: very very similar. Have you checked out happiest toddler on
Speaker 2: the block now? So you don't like any of my work? Basically,
Speaker 2: you're just that's not avoiding me.
Speaker 1: No, I like, here's I married someone that is so
Speaker 1: smart that.
Speaker 2: You're just delegated. You're outsurfing. I delegated it and I
Speaker 2: went surfing. You're not wrong, It's what it's like. I
Speaker 2: have so much confidence in now now here. I have
Speaker 2: tons of experience with babies. I have a large family,
Speaker 2: they all had children early. I've always been around me.
Speaker 2: I was babysitting was my key source of income. From
Speaker 2: like eleven years on. I've just always been very comfortable
Speaker 2: around kids. Well and not to.
Speaker 1: You know, brag that my kids are better than all
Speaker 1: of their friends, but like they are the we have
Speaker 1: a large group of friends in our in our neighborhood.
Speaker 2: My kids are the only ones.
Speaker 1: That get jokes and when somebody is serious and not serious,
Speaker 1: like they can just tell if I tell another kid like,
Speaker 1: they'll just be like, they'll shriek. My kid knows that's
Speaker 1: not that's not real.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because you've taught them that over and over
Speaker 2: and over again. Right, that's the list you got to
Speaker 2: teach them. You got to teach them how to get jokes,
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and also not to take you know that,
Speaker 2: I like little kids love to negotiate with you and
Speaker 2: learn how to negotiate so that Oh no, that's too hard.
Speaker 2: You're asking too much for me. I can't. Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you drove a hard bargain. Okay, I will give you
Speaker 2: one cheerio if you brush your teeth, you know, and
Speaker 2: you make it make them feel like they're winning out
Speaker 2: through this negotiation, so you don't want to take it
Speaker 2: so so seriously that everything is earnest and heavy my
Speaker 2: kid's not gonna do shit for one cheerio, all right, okay,
Speaker 2: Dan too, two cheerious You.
Speaker 1: And I at least honey nut cheerios, or he's not
Speaker 1: even getting out of bed.
Speaker 2: If you wanted to see the future, read The Happiest Toddler,
Speaker 2: because you will understand ways to communicate with kids that
Speaker 2: that people who like preschool teachers and pediatricians who do
Speaker 2: this as a profession, are able to do to get
Speaker 2: kids to cooperate and stuff like that. Like in my practice,
Speaker 2: I had a reputation in Santa Monica for being the
Speaker 2: doctor that if your kid hated doctors and was scared
Speaker 2: of doctors, that I would help them get over that,
Speaker 2: because it's all about how you communicate and approach them.
Speaker 2: And I bet as a comedian you already have a
Speaker 2: lot of skills that you're use in because you don't
Speaker 2: take it all so seriously and so earnestly, which is
Speaker 2: half of the problem. Right. People are just so incredibly
Speaker 2: you know, oh I don't want to hurt their feelings,
Speaker 2: or oh I can't make them do this or that,
Speaker 2: and you don't take the responsibility of being a parent,
Speaker 2: and so part of what I talk about in the
Speaker 2: book is how do you set limits and how do you,
Speaker 2: you know, do the tough things that you have to
Speaker 2: do as a parent because you're not their friend, you're
Speaker 2: their parent also their friend.
Speaker 1: Maternity leave it's bad in this country. Well, paternity leave. Also,
Speaker 1: how long should people get off from work to focus
Speaker 1: on their newborn baby?
Speaker 2: A year is a good amount of time. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: here's an interesting thing that's going on. Everyone knows about
Speaker 2: the climate crisis, you know, fad things are happening there.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people know about the population cliff,
Speaker 2: which means that there aren't enough babies being born. I
Speaker 2: know you've advocated having fewer babies being born, but.
Speaker 1: Have I Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it made a joke
Speaker 1: about it. But that's why I meant children. John over
Speaker 1: here keeps spitting out kids every week.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. In a lot of countries, the
Speaker 2: population is dropped. In the United States has dropped twenty
Speaker 2: percent over the last decade, but in some places like Korea, Japan, Italy,
Speaker 2: even China, now it's plummeting. And what that means is
Speaker 2: twenty or thirty years from now, you're not going to
Speaker 2: have people to pick up the garbage, to do all
Speaker 2: the jobs, to pay the taxes. It's all going to
Speaker 2: be a bunch of old people and nobody'd take care
Speaker 2: of them. Twenty thirty years ago we worried about overpopulation.
Speaker 2: It has shifted like a one eighty and now it's
Speaker 2: a very serious international problem.
Speaker 1: Are you saying, though, that there's gonna be more land,
Speaker 1: affordable land available for my kid's future.
Speaker 2: That's that's not all bad. No, it isn't. So there's
Speaker 2: a there's there's a silver lining for the tashas everybody
Speaker 2: else is screwed.
Speaker 1: Ah ohash oh, they finally catch a break.
Speaker 2: Doctor Carp, thank you very much for being here today.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. It's so good to meet you. Daniel
Speaker 2: still got.
Speaker 1: A baby sleeping, Pasha.
Speaker 2: I want to thank doctor Carp. Good stuff.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot, but it doesn't matter now because
Speaker 1: my kids are past the age now if I have
Speaker 1: a third child, shoot me.
Speaker 2: There's a good guest. Carl, Why you're sitting over here?
Speaker 1: You want to tell everybody, I cause your birthday's coming up.
Speaker 1: His birthdays this week. Carl's gonna be three years old.
Speaker 1: Send us some stuff. You know the problem with our
Speaker 1: podcast is now it's reached.
Speaker 2: Like my outer circle.
Speaker 1: I got an inner circle, right, which is just the
Speaker 1: people I see constantly friends, event then there's this outer
Speaker 1: circle of people I know, and then they kind of
Speaker 1: keep coming up to me the other day, Like a
Speaker 1: guy goes, oh my goodness, you know so and so,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know. He goes, you
Speaker 1: got to have him on your podcast. He's not a
Speaker 1: celebrity's he'd be perfect And I just like looked at
Speaker 1: him like, oh no, I don't think he would. I
Speaker 1: don't find him interesting at all. Or I get this.
Speaker 1: I get this a lot now, Eddie people, I could
Speaker 1: never be a guest on your podcast. I could never
Speaker 1: do it. And I'm like, yeah, no, shit, I would
Speaker 1: never ask you what's going on? We've got some tour dates.
Speaker 1: Make sure he comes see me do stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: Carl will be there.
Speaker 2: What else?
Speaker 1: Uh, boyswearpink dot com If you want to get something
Speaker 1: cute for your little one?
Speaker 2: What else Carl like a puppet? What else? What else? Buddy?
Speaker 2: What else?
Speaker 5: Oh? That?
Speaker 2: Goat? What episode are we on? Now? Don't know how
Speaker 2: many more are there? When are we?
Speaker 1: Are we at the penultimate? Do you know what the
Speaker 1: penultimate means. It's the second to last. I always feel
Speaker 1: smart whenever I say pen ultimate.
Speaker 2: Oh brother, well, got another bedtime story for my son. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys next week. Happy birthday, Carl, Give
Speaker 1: me one quick story before mom reads.
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Speaker 5: that he would be a mile for it. One day
Speaker 5: he would then milk prints mail him to pretend mal
Speaker 5: and he was saying usal male. The one decided to
Speaker 5: do milk, tell weed do too. But the only shiit
Speaker 5: he didn't know that there was a milk guy. He
Speaker 5: was milk and he turned the milt's any but the
Speaker 5: weded drinmed the moon and they walked and they walked
Speaker 5: away on the table. The milkman who did it different
Speaker 5: the humbled door. But the milkman, as he didn't know
Speaker 5: there was the little take. He sat and then he
Speaker 5: set down to the milk tea. He saw a way
Speaker 5: to get out or the milk take deep and wow.
Speaker 2: Good story.